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  • @CaritasGothKaraoke
    @CaritasGothKaraoke Місяць тому +1

    Camphor burns like candlewax or tallow or lamp oil. It’s the base ingredient in Carmex so you’ve probably encountered it.

  • @Kaiyanwang82
    @Kaiyanwang82 Місяць тому

    Double post (sorry) but I felt this one could be interesting, from wikipedia
    "A portion of the book written for the New Review version, later published as a separate short story, reveals that a visit by the Time Traveler to the even more distant future results in his encountering rabbit-like hopping herbivores, apparently the descendants of the Eloi. They are described as being plantigrade, with longer hind legs and tailless, being covered with straight greyish hair that "thickened about the head into a Skye terrier's mane", having human-like hands (described as fore feet), and having a roundish head with a projecting forehead and forward-looking eyes that were obscured by lank hair."
    Massive "In the Year 2525" vibes.

  • @briang.5747
    @briang.5747 8 місяців тому

    As usual you have produced an interesting and insightful comparison of the book and film versions.
    I read the book after seeing the movie expecting it would be better, but I was actually disappointed in it. I didn't care much for the social commentary which I found to be a bit trite and heavy-handed. I preferred the optimism that the movie had, which was typical for George Pal since it was his personal point of view in general. He is generally known as a producer, but was also an excellent director. Although I never see it noted as such, this film is almost flawlessly directed in my opinion. There are no wasted spaces in a well-paced film.
    That was my conclusion when I first compared the book and film, but that was a long time ago (the 1960s) and so I should probably revisit the book again. I may now think differently about it than I did as a teenager.
    The red haired character of David Filby is Scottish, not Irish. Alan Young fleshed-out the character being as such, due to his opinion that loyal friendship mattered so much to the Scots, and he wished to stress the bond his character shared with that played by Rod Taylor. He adopted a Scottish accent to play the role.
    I also think that this is definitely an anti-war film, due to the elements you have mentioned, but also in how George reacts to hearing about the death of David in 1916 due to war. A fine bit of acting by Rod Taylor. There have been multiple sequel attempts conceived, but one actually came to fruition using that scene set in 1917. This was part of "Time Machine: The Journey Back” (1993) a 48-minute documentary produced for television about the special effects that featured the restored time machine prop that had been used in the film. A 13 minute segment at the end written by David Duncan, who had written the screenplay for the 1960 movie. lt has Rod Taylor and Alan Young reprising their roles. In it the time machine materializes back in George's lab with 30 years elapsed for George but only 15 years for Filby who has orders to fly to France the next day. Knowing of Filby’s fate in World War One, George tries to save him by using the Time Machine to take both of them to the future. All in all this scene works well, and is consistent in tone with the original film.
    I really didn't care much for the 2002 remake. I saw it in a theater when it came out, but have had no desire to see it again. in contrast I have watched the 1960 film many times, including three times in theaters.
    The appearance of the mannequin through several years was I think mainly included to use the stop motion animation which made George Pal famous (Puppetoons), but also for comic relief as using it so long is sort of absurd.
    I had never heard of the ”Born Sexy Yesterday" trope before hearing of it here. I was interested and found that the creator of this trope, John McIntosh, proposes it in a "Pop Culture Detective" video in which he cites "The Time Machine" as one of his examples. I think he force fits it as an example because it doesn't fit most of his stated criteria for the trope and therefore think including it weakened his argument.
    All the Eloi are attractive and naive, and in some ways seem like children, not just Weena. She doesn't stand out from the social norms in place in her society as seems to be required by the trope. She is fully integrated within her society. She isn't objectified, or dressed to be sexy. She is very modestly dressed, in the same costume worn by all Eloi women and men. Presumably she is as sexually aware as all the other Eloi women. She initiates all the romantic moves, not George, and she seems quite aware of what she is doing as if she has done it before, perhaps with the Eloi man who George equally awakens to reject being a passive pawn of the Morlocks.
    McIntosh includes a clip of the first scene in which they George and Weena converse:
    “Well, what’s your name?”
    “Weena.”
    “Weena? How do you spell it?”
    “Spell?”
    “Spell, write. Can’t you write?”
    I don't think this clip makes his case as none of the Eloi can write!
    McIntosh states, “The crux of the trope is a fixation on male superiority. A fixation with holding power over an innocent girl. But in order to make that socially acceptable, science fiction is employed to put the mind of that girl into a sexualized, adult woman’s body. It’s a fantasy based on fear - fear of women who are mens’ equal in sexual experience and romantic history, and fear of losing the intellectual upper hand to women.”
    I don't think much, if any of this applies to George and Weena.
    She comes on to him, not the other way around. His interest in her appears to be that she took an interest in him. He is not a social outcast, neither is she. They are really equals in terms of knowledge, she knows helpful things that he needs to know such as the threat that morlocks pose, and he knows things that can help her, such as fire and how it can ward off morlocks. I think she is willing to follow his lead because he saved her life, not that she believes he knows so much or he is lording over her in the sexual politics the trope seems to be based on. For these reasons I don't think this movie is particularly sexist.
    In terms of H.G. Wells' books I liked "The War of the Worlds" better, which I think is clearly better than any of the film adaptations.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Thank you for such a thoughtful, detailed comment!
      I need to check out Time Machine A Journey Back, I hadn't heard about that.
      And yeah, the 2002 movie is a one time watch for me as well lol.
      I haven't watched that video about Born Sexy Yesterday but I should. You make some good points, but since we don't see him really interacting with the other Eloi, even if her personality traits are the same for all Eloi it almost doesn't matter as far as this trope goes. If they all followed him and wanted to be around him and learn from him, his and Weena's relationship wouldn't come across as BSY, but since it is just her I think the trope still applies.
      Nonetheless, like I said you do make some great points and made me think about this more!

    • @briang.5747
      @briang.5747 8 місяців тому

      @@WhytheBookWins we do see George interacting significantly with one of the Eloi other than Weena, and that fellow learning to positively act from him to the point that he bravely saves George in the fight with the Morlocks, turning the tide of the battle. The first time we encounter him he is quite different in his outlook, as shown with his blank and indifferent face when George asks him questions that lead to the scene with the books crumbling to dust. That scene might have started him on a path of awakening. Notice the interaction with the two after fighting the Morlocks underground, where he smiles in recognition of what has taken place. One can argue that George's impact on this male Eloi is greater than that on Weena in terms of personal growth, and that this guy lacks the ulterior motive that Weena has in terms of interaction with George.
      I admit that I might have an advantage in having seen this movie several times over a period of 60 years in terms of remembering some of the nuances present, in this case the balanced nature of the time traveler's interaction with the Eloi.
      Actually I have never before seen this movie criticized due to a perceived failing in terms of not upholding values consistent with a feminist outlook. If that trope was valid, I think this would have occurred over the years. Some of its author's other examples are also suspect in my opinion, but to a lessor extent than with this one. I think he has basically modelled the trope using "The Firth Element" for the most part. But I haven't watched that in decades so I really can't remember how that trope might play out in it.

  • @lilmelvin11
    @lilmelvin11 8 місяців тому

    You are such an intriguing thinker. I'm older than you, books will always be my escape valve my Mom taught me because she grew up in non-electric poverty but Books from the library was her ticket for her imagination.... Wells, in his time, had a naive belief that "intellectualism" would solve the world's problems of hunger poverty inequities etcetera....But he understood Irony and Hubris....There will never be a perfect society, because humans have free will. We will never be rats in a laboratory experiment.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah we all want to believe a "perfect" world could be possible, but like you said, that is sadly naive.

  • @joeu.3624
    @joeu.3624 Місяць тому

    I feel like Weena in the bokmwas more like a chikd like, daughter character via her innocence. Ans with that is a intentional lack of romance.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Місяць тому

      Yeah the movie turned it into a romance.

  • @8pagesdeep
    @8pagesdeep 8 місяців тому

    Hey Laura! 👋Hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend!
    I have a weakness for stories that involve time-traveling, and I have been eyeing this book for a while now. I'll have to check it out at some point because it sounds like an interesting read and watch! I've also seen the design of those warlocks in some other media, but I never would've guessed they came from this movie lol. Also, have you covered The Handmaid's tale? I haven't myself, just familiar with the premise, and I feel like you'd have a lot of thoughts picking it apart.
    Rest your voice, and I hope you feel better soon! 😊

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Yeah I would love to hear your thoughts on this! And I haven't read Handmaids Tale even though it has been on my list for ages! Maybe I'll plan on covering our early next year because I agree I'm sure I would have so many thoughts and feelings

  • @davidfitzpatrick6535
    @davidfitzpatrick6535 8 місяців тому

    You know the thing with time travel is science recently discovered that it is plausible theoretically but due to the one small change rule its been determined to not be worth it as esp going to the past could have dangerous consequences for the now.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Ooooh, would you time travel if given the opportunity??

    • @davidfitzpatrick6535
      @davidfitzpatrick6535 8 місяців тому

      @@WhytheBookWins the past no because of the risk to the present. For example u go back to kill Hitler well then u now have at the bare minimum 6 million Jews u have to account for that died in the Holocaust. Even if u did it during WW2 u would have 4-5 million as the mass extermination of Jews in camps like Auschwitz didn't start till about 1942-43. However I would go to the future as I want to know if we ever get flying cars like the Jetsons promised in the current timem

  • @nobodyexceptme7794
    @nobodyexceptme7794 8 місяців тому

    Great breakdown, I remember the 2000's movie, but never watched the original movie despite learning about it. Pretty sure the book was required reading at some point during elementary or middle school. The born sexy yesterday trope is hilarious and very much true. Its an innate experience growing up as a guy. Same way girls have a prince charming built of their fav qualities, guys just want that girl next door that we can craft into our perfect partner. Especially in adolescence. Probably ties into why some girls dumb themselves down around that same period growing up as well.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Thanks! And yeah very true that girls hand their own unrealistic male fantasies. And also true that girls will act dumb to appeal to guys, which is really sad!

  • @curiousworld7912
    @curiousworld7912 8 місяців тому

    I loved this movie as a child, and still have a sentimental attachment to it. The new(er) version, is an interesting adaptation, particularly the 'librarian', the Eloi's homes, and the lead female character. There's a line I believe sums up the character of the Eloi - 'This is the world' - is a statement that many would say to justify today's issues. And, I loved the book - I love all of Well's books. If you want to read a very strange and somewhat disturbing book by HG Wells, you should read 'The Island of Dr. Moreau'.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah the original movie is one I would definitely watch again! So true about their phrase "this is the world".
      And I just finished the book I was currently reading, so I'll read Doctor Moreau now! Thanks for commenting 😁

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому +1

      Wow I just finished Doctor Moreau and i loved it! What a twisted story. Book vs movie for that one will be up early January!

    • @curiousworld7912
      @curiousworld7912 8 місяців тому

      @@WhytheBookWins I'm so glad you liked it! I think it packs a lot of 'punch' for such a short book. I'll look forward to your 'book vs movie' review. (The only good film adaptations I've seen are the old, 1932 'Island of Lost Souls', and 1977's version. The '96 one, with Brando and Kilmer, is a total madhouse of a movie. The making of it is perhaps more bizarre-o than the story itself.) :)

  • @lilmelvin11
    @lilmelvin11 8 місяців тому

    I read the novel when I was a "tortured sensitive teenage Poet ".😎 You have inspired me to watch this movie again and re-read the novel.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Yeah I would be curious what you think of it now!

    • @lilmelvin11
      @lilmelvin11 8 місяців тому

      "@@WhytheBookWins I've always enjoyed books written by people using their imagination skills in the context of their times....I grant them "slack" and empathy, because I appreciate their imagination. Like Oscar Wilde wrote "We are all born in the gutters, but some of us look to the stars". Not to belabor the point, but my dear Mom took me to the public library and introduced me to literature. It got her out of her own circumstances...I was so fortunate.. It is why books are so so very treasured to me .

  • @paulallenk4830
    @paulallenk4830 8 місяців тому

    By default the movie wins since I've never read the book. Also Wells best friend is played by Alan Young who starred in the talking horse TV show Mr. Ed in the 1960's which I didn't realize wasn't a documentary until I turned 15. 🤡Seriously I beg you to watch if you haven't 1979's "Time after Time" where HG Wells travels to modern day San Francisco to stop his colleague who is Jack the Ripper from killing Mary Steenburgen who Wells falls in love with while in California. THIS MOVIE IS fantastic and if you don't like it I'll eat a bug. Another insightful episode.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      Yeah I saw he was in Mr. Ed! I loved that show when I was a kid.
      And I'll watch that movie today! I'll comment after and let you know what I think!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому +1

      @paulallenk4830 I watched the movie and am happy to report you do not need to eat a bug lol. I really enjoyed it! I used to live in SF too so it's always fun to see movies that take place there. It was weird seeing Bob Cratchet play a villian though lol

    • @paulallenk4830
      @paulallenk4830 8 місяців тому

      Glad you liked it. Over the years have watched that movie 5 or 6 times. All the best. @@WhytheBookWins

  • @victorfergn
    @victorfergn 8 місяців тому

    26:18 oh no, how dare you! DDDDDDD:

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому

      I'm sorry haha, the book really is great, too!

  • @55itsme
    @55itsme 8 місяців тому

    I have noticed your tendency towards a modern feminist approach to your reviews, and that's good. As long as you also continue to use other approaches as well (which I think you have so far).

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I can't help but see things through a modern female lense, but I always try to have an open mind and see the full picture.

  • @Kaiyanwang82
    @Kaiyanwang82 Місяць тому

    In the book the Eloi are a different species altogether, as much as Morlocks are. The Eloi in the movie are fascinating.
    There is this concept of "anatomically modern humans" concerning our ancestors - basically there is debate on wether the first humans that looked like us also BEHAVED like us on a social level (religion, arts, language). There could have been a time interval in which these people looked like us but their brain didn't completely evolve into "us" yet.
    You see where I am going. Eloi are depicted as, let's say "anatomically ancient post-humans" - ancient for their time period of course. This is of course ruined by the outdated sexist trope you described - I am a fan of the movie but I agree is ugly.
    (I do wonder how could we describe the Morlocks according to my definition - I presume "behaviorly ancient post-humans" - they are pro-active and intelligent a-h*es, just like us - including the occasional cannibalism!)

  • @TheLeppus28
    @TheLeppus28 6 місяців тому

    How about War of the Worlds? That's probably Wells's most famous book and you have 2 different movie adaptations (including one made by Spielberg). But again this is not particularly "engaging". You need to keep in mind that Wells was not very interested in characters. He was more of a visionary. He created pesimistic visions of the future which are still relevant to this day.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  6 місяців тому

      Yeah I definitely will cover that at some point!
      Very true and him being a visionary. Even though I don't feel very connected to his characters, the two books I've read by him were still fantastic!

    • @TheLeppus28
      @TheLeppus28 6 місяців тому

      @@WhytheBookWins The First Men in the Moon was more funny but there is no film adaptation of it as far as I know. There was very famous movie The Shape of Things to Come but I didn't have a chance to read the book. So I cannot say if it's any good. It's one of his later ones. The Invisible Man is definitely another to go for. As both book and the movie are excellent.

  • @XentorAntarix
    @XentorAntarix 25 днів тому

    Well, if you want to know a possible (in my eyes good) "End". Read "Timeships" (Stephen Baxter).
    Not "The return of the Timemashine" (Egon Friedel).
    Timeships is far more close to the original Story and possible consequences.
    Return of the Time Mashine is total nonsense and borring.