"Honest mistake, we move on" is a really great rule of thumb for entertainment games like this. Kudos to you, and KUDOS to both players showing such good sportsmanship and camaraderie!
Jind is probably my favorite guest. His passion for his army and the game is infectious. The time he played against Mubin's Chaos Knights and had the "Our deeds this day will be forgotten, but I remember you... Brother." line still sends chills down my spine!
Why thank you Karl!!! What an absolutely lovely thing to say, I am both humbled and appreciate your comment! I had to go back and re-watch the episode, sadly words fly out of my mouth at a 1000 miles/per hour and as soon as my lips utter the words they are erased from my memory!! :D
I think this episode just highlights how weird of a niche the Norns fill. They’re above dreadnought caliber but below Knight caliber. They’re a weird middling and I feel bad for Nids players that their super big bug model isn’t… that much of a super big bug.
Hello Curious! Jind here - totally feel you! When I showed up at the studio and saw the six Norn lined up I was TERRIFED! I Read their rules and still felt the fear, but as the game progressed I did feel SOME small elements of pity for the Norn - AMAZING MODELS - AMAZING BACK STORY - Rules are not bad for their data sheet abiltites BUT for the points cost they just lack the staying power/and or hitting power - would be nice to see them all with in-built inv saves AND some type of FMP, even if it's a 6+ and perhaps some sort of damage boost HOWEVER we (Me, Mubin, and Tak) had a great talk post-game and we think that while the Norn do need SOME love from GW via rules and/or points changes, even in this exact same match up/rules the Norn did have a really good chance - but Mubin made a play that did not work out to his force's advantage - so the game could have been 100% a different affair had we played a 2nd time
This is why no one really runs Assimilators; they're way too expensive and very low survivability. At least the Emissary has the feel no pain, but he's not very heavy hitting.
@@LA-hx8gj sadly I have to agree Im not a Nid player but I love matched play and if I played the faction I’d not run them until they got some dataslate balance love
I had to, post turn 1: - Change my man pants into fresh man pants - Breathe into a paper bag - Book some therapy sessions! TWO WOUNDS INFLICTED AND I DID THREE WOUNDS ON MYSELF!! :)
10:14 Jind didn't need to use a CP to reroll that 1 damage since the Knight Castelan has the Titan Hunter ability. It allows it to reroll damages of 1 against MONSTERS and Vehicules and since the norm is a big monster, that CP was wasted.
100% The thing is I totally am not used to playing at the Studio - its SUCH a different game experience! I totally made mistakes I've not made in a LONG time lol Normal game: - 3hrs long - Phone/book/data cards on the table POTT Game: - 7-8hrs long - No phone/books/cards on the table - lights everywhere, and that means HEAT! - Stop/start as shots are done as we play I have nothing but MAD RESPECT for the regular crew of Play On, and other UA-camrs who make it look SO EFFORTLESS and are able to remember all their rules!! I was confounded!!!
@@Waaagghhh Huh. Never noticed there are never any references sheets anywhere. Makes sense there are small mistakes here and there. But hey if that’s the price for the best Battle Reports in the business, I’ll take it.
@@btbecks2597they definitely have cards and sheets some times, some of the players just don't use them, or they cut it out of the final cut, I know for a fact Nick has a bunch of videos where he's holding the stack of data cards while he plays
Good game, Love seeing good sportsmanship, admitting mistakes and good on Mubin for letting it slide. It's about fun in the end not arguments. Love it guys keep it up!
Mubin is a total gentleman both on and off screen - winning is nice, but winning at life via manners is even better! I did feel bad though! I’m not sure if it would have made a huge difference by end of game, but still!
Thank you for the kind words!!! Tycho and Nick are just amazing people - they say that you should not meet our heroes in real life as we'll be disappointed - but nothing is further from the truth with the Play On Crew - they are like that out in the real word!!
Great report. Just a hint: Insane Bravery can't be used on Shadow in the Warp. Insane Bravery is limited to the Battle Shock Step, but SitW is triggered in the Command Phase (not the BS step of it). :)
@@weinstrassendrohnefpv6822 ah doh! No excuses / I shall do better next time- it’s been a minute since I was last on, and 100% forgot just how strange it is playing at the studio, the nerves, and the just the entire thing! But I shall learn and adapt!
@@Waaagghhh exactly what @blakesunderland7334 said - you did great and I could just image the pressure in the studio and it was a great match to watch. Except that I cried internally for every killed Norn :D
Haven't watched it yet but I'm guessing the norns get absolutely shit on. Strength 9 and 7 on a norn emissary and no invun save on the assimilator is honestly criminal.
I wont give away the results BUT I will say after facing six Norn... - Amazing AMAZING models and lore - Datasheet is somewhat fun and I can see what the intent is BUT without built in Inv saves or FNP at the points cost is criminal - they are just needing way more than points drops - they need a gentle defensive tweak - and it's not like it is even a big ask as so many big Nid have built in saves!!!
@Waaagghhh the low strength on the emmisary considering so many strength 14 melee weapons in the world, lack of invuln on the assimilator, no inbuilt 6+ fnp improved to 5 on the objective, and toughness 11 really make the norns just sad. Tyrannofex is t12 and is something I'd use over an assimilator in 99/100 games AND is almost 100 points cheaper. You pay such a premium on the POSSIBILITY of either rerolls or oc 15 and FNP. It's similar to the old swarmlord. You pay so much for the abilities but the chassis is just weak
@Waaagghhh Totally agree, I have one of my own and the model is fantastic, and I do like their abilities, they just need a much, much, much better statline. Sadly GW seems to be really hesitant to change stats and instead changes points costs which as you say is not what norns need. They shouldn't be cheap they should be powerful .
@@ajskojac771 it's wild, like regular old grey knights dread with doomglaive is 5 attacks at str14. With assimilator at 305 and dread at 120 you could ALMOST bring 3 dreads for 1 assimilator- can you say 15 attacks at str14 -3 damage 3? Poor bug getting absolutely blendered, even vs 2 dreads
28:22 Insane Bravery can't be used on Shadow in the Warp. Shadow in the Warp resolves at the end of the command step of the command phase, insane bravery can only be used during the battleshock step of the command phase. (Which incidentally, still happens after Shadow in the Warp, so anything below half does have to make 2 battleshock saves in that commmand phase.)
Oh no! My bad! It’s a totally different experience playing a game at the studio vs my house or at an event, and 100% I felt I’d made some basic errors I’d normally not It’s intense at how much different it is playing as part of a battle report game vs a “normal” game!
Oh no! I’ll be honest, I was quite shocked at how many basic errors I made that night! It’s such a truly different and disorienting experience playing as part of a recorded game vs a “normal” game! I have no idea how the regulars do, mad respect for the entire team for doing what they do, and making it look EFFORTLESS!
@@Waaagghhh All good. The intent of the comment was to be informative to people who might not know and be watching the video. There were a lot of interactions in here that I didn't know because I've only played against Knights once, like the deployment order thing and that Titanic units can't overwatch. It was a great game to watch with two players clearly having a great time.
Gary - I can't reinforce what you said enough! The Play On team is just fantastic, not only for their content but their amazing real-life personas! And who does NOT love Tycho! That guy is literally a living legend! I have been on the channel a few times now as a guest, and even played against Tycho twice in Judgment: Eternal Champions, but even though I have now met him a few times I freely admit I still get star struck around him!!!
These Play On crew are on some next level with their content! Was such a blast and a huge honor to be invited on as a guest and be a part of their journey
I can already tell that this is going to be a difficult one for the nids. Not too many ultra heavy hitters so it’s going to be a challenge to down the knights. Most likely will come down to scoring since knights are great at killing but not great scorers.
I feel like sometimes the lists on this show are so obviously skewed and bad that we already know how the game will end before it starts and makes the show boring
@@AWPtical800 In a 3-way battle, two people always get dunked on, and the most passive player massively dominates. It just isn't a fair comparison, given it's not even a normal game environment.
the last time jind played was actually my first look into play on, and Warhammer as a whole. this video made me want to play. THANK YOU PLAY ON FOR MY PLASTIC ADDICTION
I’d love to see that too! I bet a HUGE difference as then the list could focus on holding 1-2 objectives well and then just DESTROYING the knights on the other objectives
Hello! Jind here - so I leaned this in my youth, it basically means you’ll ALWAYS 100% get a proper handshake as the fingers/palms are guided into proper handshaking position No more the horror of JUST grabbing someone by their finger tips and limply shaking their hand!
Thank you Paul! I was just happy that the dice turned around and allowed the Knights to help me FINALLY get a win against the Mubin!!! Glad you enjoyed the fight!
I just started collecting knights so it was great to see such a skilled player at work. Especially the way he piloted that errant seems like something I wanna learn
Why thank you most kindly! I’m pretty sure the wife wishes I wasn’t so loud all the time, but what’s a person supposed to do when they have Warhammer in their blood?!?!
Good game, but I think Mubin here got too tempted by Synaptic Nexus, this list called for Crusher Stampede, it would have used greatly all of the stratagems. I would've also added if possible The Swarmlord for command points generation and Malignant presence (against the ion shields it would've been key). In this game with 6 Norns Mubin should've leant in entirely on primary scores, potentially also choosing fixed Bring it Down himself (with something like Storm Hostile Objective to accompany).
while all you said is true. I think the reason trhey did it the way they did is because they have done those things before and want to have some variety as an entertainment channel
Thank you! Me mum got me that jacket when I went to visit my parents in June in the UK - and I LOVE me jacket! 99% just because me mum got it for me!!!!
Thanks! It was a ton of fun playing with Mubin! I play a LOT of tournaments and league games, but honestly I’m having the most fun with my narrative based gaming groups !!!
This was a rough fight for the nids. Norns are cool but the struggle to damage heavy targets like knights and the knights weapons are the exact kind of Overkill you need to deal with the norn's defense. a lot of the nids strength comes from the variety of threats they can bring to bare and their scoring potential. Limiting the list like that farther disadvantages them.
So happy to see Knights again, i know people dont find them as enjoyable but i love my big robots and its especially fun to see them fight elite lists like this. Awesome game, honest mistakes but great sportsmanship all around. I usually fight my knights into Eldar and World Eaters and both want desperatly to take my knights down, Angron and my Atrapos having a blood feud against one another is a total blast.
Thank you! I a m biased, I LOVE playing with the Knights - and I won't stop playing the Knights!! Mubin is just a great guy and a fantastic sport - was both a pleasure and honor to have played him once more - and on the channel none the less!
Great battle report but for the Tyranid army, I'm quite perplexed. I don't see the point in playing 6 Nhorns. So certainly for the video but at least there could have been less Nhorn. Small example of a list with Nhorn: -Warlord: Neurotyran with 3 Zoanthropes (Power of Hive Mind) -Line: 10 Gargoyles -Infantry: 1 Biovore, 3 Zoanthropes -Cloud: 1 Ripper Swarms -Monster: 2 Tyrannofex with Cannon Breaker, 2 Nhorn Emissary, 2 Nhorn Assimilator. GG at the two teams !!!!!!🤗😄
Jind here - honestly one of the single most amazing things was to see six Norn on the tabletop - they are just very intimidating models to behold, let alone SIX of them! Was it an optimal list for either of us? NO! But it was 100% just amazing to see the six big beasts take to the field against the might of the Imperial Knights!!!
@@Waaagghhh You're right man! Of course, the list was rubbish, but seeing these Tyranid monstrosities on the battlefield was great! By the way, I'm a Tyranid player, are you?
@@Whivious79 no BUT, and not blowing smoke your way, this is legit… Being a staunch Imperialist in the 40K universe ANYTIME that I get to use ANY of my Imperial forces (Ultramarines, Admech, Guard, Knights) I get the BIGGEST thrills & chills when I face off against the Nids! My buddy Pete plays Nids and it’s a very, very rare day I can beat him - BUT those games vs Nids are among the best times to be Warhammering!
Woohoo knights are my favourite and I was so exited with the knight list featured! Very happy they wiped the table. Well played both sides and congratulations Jind for bringing glory to the knight households
Ah you must mean all the turns APART from my turn 1… 2 wounds done to Mubin …. 3 wounds to my OWN army! The sheet amount of damage that Mubin soaked up was both awe inspiring and terrifying!
Adam....it's me Jind - and let me tell you - I am 47yrs old and even after all these years I am STILL NOT SURE ABOUT MYSELF!! :) thanks for the kind words my friend, glad you had some fun watching me and The Mubes go at it once more!
Hello! Jind here - 100% I’m making mistakes! Especially in a studio setting! But mostly because I’m too excited a lot of the time and I think I’d be best off drinking some green tea before a game to calm down!!!😅
I will bend my efforts to try and get my Knights up to Play on standard for 2025 so when the book drops and IF I am invited back, I'll see if I can take on Mubin in our tie-breaker with House Taranis! Mubin, Brother, I still await to pardon thee for thy transgressions!
"Titanics can't overwatch' Literally kills my soul. That was like, the whole purpose for the Knight I wanted to buy with the gigantic flamer. :'( No point in using the funny harpoon man if you can't run up, slam a vehicle open, and then burn the juicy infantry inside, then burn them again if they try and leave.
Lol, the BEST thing is that Tycho rather grandly introduces me as Jind, veteran of 100s of games and moments later I try to over watch, even though it's a rule I know inside and out, and I play Knights all the time - so ironic it was delicious!!
Jind is an absolute riot to watch as a player. I think he needs to have more screen time for sure. With that enthusiasm I'd love to see him square off against Nick and the T'au.
Thank you for your kind words Blake! But could the 4 walls of the Play On Studio be able to withstand the shouting, the jumping, and the joy of 2 Warhammer fanatics going full tilt at each other?!
I love seeing my chosen faction (IK) on PlayOn! Loved seeing Jind get a chance to avenge Tak's White Scars. (Man, between that massive Hivefleet mission earlier and now, Tak really has had it rough with the Sons of Khan. I can't wait to see his Ultramarines in action though...) ggs all around, really enjoying the series so far!
Im in my school bathroom, watching this instead of going to class. Wish i could've watched the live premiere this morning. Luckily we had literacy numeracy tests so selected students skip class and go to testing instead. I finished really early but I sat in the bathroom watching this because I didn't want to go to woodwork class. 10/10 no regrets.
As a dad of 3 little kids I will ALWAYS advocate everyone to attend to their duties first..... BUT I can't honestly tell ANYONE that I NEVER skipped school or work for Warhammer!!!! thanks for watching me take on Mubin
Thank you! I do enjoy my clashes with Mubin - I'd love to see if we can get back in the saddle one day for a 'once and for all' tie breaker!!!! ONLY THIS TIME I'll try and remember my rules!!!
A rules clarification: insane bravery can't be used against shadow in the warp, because that stratagem it's locked to the battleshock step of the command phase, and shadow in the warp can be triggered at any point during the command phase (that is, out of the battleshock step). Similary, it can't be used against other random battleshocks thrown by nids and other factions; just against the "regular" battleshocks due to being below half strength, in the step mentioned.
At least we got competitive list week 1. Woulda been nice to see the new Yahtzee cannon in action. I feel the knights just have to focus down the assimilators to win a close score but not a hard match.
Howdy! Jind here - to be honest going in i was not feeling the confidence- and post match we had a deep talk about how we would alter our game if we were rematched with the same lists, and the conclusion was that the Nids had a lot to play for, but it’s always easier after the game as you have a chance to see how the lists fare.
Bless Mubin's heart, he really goes out there and tries his best every match. As a diehard Tyranid fan I'd prefer if he were piloting the defending imperial forces, personally, but I do love to watch him play and have a blast XD
Sofa King - 100% !!!! I can't get over how incredible the Studio armies are - after the game had completed recording I think I spent like an extra 30-40 minutes wandering from case to case and just staring at the various models!!!
great vid as always. Just want to point out that you can guard your home objective in this mission. You just can't get the 4vp on it at the start of your turn. You also can't insane bravery a shadow in the warp BS test as it is not the battle shock step of your command phase. So if a unit is below half, they would have to take 2 tests (if they pass the first). Not wanting to sound like 'that guy' but just wanted to share :)
Well while that is MIGHTY kind of you to say so Nemesis, I can honestly say that I am always in awe of the Play on Team - they are all legends, and it's just a huge honor to be invited on as an occasional guest to play with such legends!
You cannot use insane bravery on Shadow in the Warp. Insane bravery states: "WHEN: Battle-shock step of your Command phase, just before you take a Battle-shock testfor a unit from your army (pg 11)." While SitW happens before that in the command phase.
Realized afterward that someone already pointed it out. The goal isnt to critic, but to educate any other players who would see this as a lot of people learn by watching videos and I didnt wanted this mistake to "propagate".
I feel like they make mumen lose on purpose whenever he plays nids. Seems like there were intenionally bad choices with the list and detachment as well as not choosing fixed. Not to mention that those fnps happening earlier than they were supposed to probably had a decent impact on the game. Still a fun game to watch though. Always love seeing bugs on the tabletop
Mubin picked his own army! He has played the 6 Norn list quite a fair few times in the local circuit and he has had some good success with it. I do regret the FNP mistake - but in fairness it only kicked in Mubin's turn - and I watched the replay back and the number of 5s to 6s wouldn't have seen a real impact on the game - at most the single largest change would have been one of my big knights would have bracketed a bit earlier and I think end of game we'd have seen one more big guy go down - but the momentum had already swung too far and fast before my FNP mistake, so regardless I don't think the end conclusion would have changed BUT IT STILL HURTS that I made the blunder!!
@Waaagghhh that's understandable. And no hate on you obviously, your knight army was awesome to see! I mainly just feel bad for him as I also play bugs, and his always seem to have bad luck on screen.
lol, when I first read this I was in total shock - but after the shock wore off I got the biggest grin EVER as Jeff Goldblum is a LEGEND!!! To be even likened to such a top lad (no matter how tenuously) was a massive boost for me - so my deepest thanks :)
Hello! Jind here! So as part of the army list building you can purchase upgrades for your characters called “enhancements” One such, for the Knights, is called “mysterious guardian” It allows you to do TWO THINGS: - you can Deep strike your knight instead of deploying them on the board - once per game, end of enemy turn, i can opt remove the model from the board, Then my following turn the model Comes back as a strategic reserve! It’s such a amazing strat
@@elmotastic578 no worries!! Search for “Knights Competitive 40k Imperial & Chaos” I’m the admin, and it’s a great group to come learn about how to get the most out of your Big Stompy Robots!
Came here to watch my brown brothers have an absolute slobber knocker of a match. Also blazer to a 40K set is a touch of class…after all this is the gentleman’s hobby.
26:02 I don't think the 6+ FNP for the Knights is upgraded to 5+'s yet. It being "Honoured" happens on the command phase of the Knight's Round 3, but it's still the Tyranid's Round 3. 27:30 Nice it was caught when you were triggering the 3cp haha. Luckily 1 saved Damage didn't matter for bracketing or wounds luckily. Lancer didn't roll any 5's for FNP so no difference there. Thoroughly enjoyed the sportsmanship and match!
"Honest mistake, we move on" is a really great rule of thumb for entertainment games like this. Kudos to you, and KUDOS to both players showing such good sportsmanship and camaraderie!
We need that guy to come back. He’s the kinda person we like to see on this channel. GG gius
Really appreciate the kind words :)
It’s always a HUGE honour being asked to come on, and represent the Knights!
100% agreed
@@bryandewby Thanking you kindly :)
@@WaaagghhhWould love to see your energy in a game with Nick or Tycho!
@@trzynasty909 Oh isn't THAT the truth! YES!!
That's a man of class, wearing a blazer to 40k. The light of the Emperor "blazes" within him!
Why thank you good sir! Me mum bought me that fine blazer when I was visiting her just recently in June! I do like me a fancy jacket!
Seconded!
@@jamiejamiecouper Thank you Jamie!
A true noble
he's got great energy! like a mini-Nick!
Jind is probably my favorite guest. His passion for his army and the game is infectious. The time he played against Mubin's Chaos Knights and had the "Our deeds this day will be forgotten, but I remember you... Brother." line still sends chills down my spine!
Why thank you Karl!!! What an absolutely lovely thing to say, I am both humbled and appreciate your comment! I had to go back and re-watch the episode, sadly words fly out of my mouth at a 1000 miles/per hour and as soon as my lips utter the words they are erased from my memory!! :D
18:12 - “To show you the power of the God Emperor, we sawed this Norn in half!”
I did enjoy cutting that bug in half!!!
NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE!
Pacific Rim
Part of the reason I play IK
I mean YES!!! And what’s not to love about Big Robots vs Big Bugs!
Pacific Rim 3 The return of the Emperor
I think this episode just highlights how weird of a niche the Norns fill.
They’re above dreadnought caliber but below Knight caliber. They’re a weird middling and I feel bad for Nids players that their super big bug model isn’t… that much of a super big bug.
Hello Curious! Jind here - totally feel you! When I showed up at the studio and saw the six Norn lined up I was TERRIFED! I Read their rules and still felt the fear, but as the game progressed I did feel SOME small elements of pity for the Norn
- AMAZING MODELS
- AMAZING BACK STORY
- Rules are not bad for their data sheet abiltites
BUT for the points cost they just lack the staying power/and or hitting power - would be nice to see them all with in-built inv saves AND some type of FMP, even if it's a 6+
and perhaps some sort of damage boost
HOWEVER we (Me, Mubin, and Tak) had a great talk post-game and we think that while the Norn do need SOME love from GW via rules and/or points changes, even in this exact same match up/rules the Norn did have a really good chance - but Mubin made a play that did not work out to his force's advantage - so the game could have been 100% a different affair had we played a 2nd time
it is meka dread mega dread / contemptor slot. it used to exist.
@@Waaagghhhoh wow hay, loved you game and as a tyranid player cannot agree more with you assessment on the Norns
This is why no one really runs Assimilators; they're way too expensive and very low survivability. At least the Emissary has the feel no pain, but he's not very heavy hitting.
@@LA-hx8gj sadly I have to agree
Im not a Nid player but I love matched play and if I played the faction I’d not run them until they got some dataslate balance love
What a class act from both boys. I love these narrative mini series; please keep it up and continue to do more in the future!
Thank you! It was great being a part of this Play On journey!!
Those turn one knight rolls were the most knightly knight rolls to ever roll.
I had to, post turn 1:
- Change my man pants into fresh man pants
- Breathe into a paper bag
- Book some therapy sessions!
TWO WOUNDS INFLICTED AND I DID THREE WOUNDS ON MYSELF!! :)
10:14 Jind didn't need to use a CP to reroll that 1 damage since the Knight Castelan has the Titan Hunter ability. It allows it to reroll damages of 1 against MONSTERS and Vehicules and since the norm is a big monster, that CP was wasted.
100% The thing is I totally am not used to playing at the Studio - its SUCH a different game experience! I totally made mistakes I've not made in a LONG time lol
Normal game:
- 3hrs long
- Phone/book/data cards on the table
POTT Game:
- 7-8hrs long
- No phone/books/cards on the table
- lights everywhere, and that means HEAT!
- Stop/start as shots are done as we play
I have nothing but MAD RESPECT for the regular crew of Play On, and other UA-camrs who make it look SO EFFORTLESS and are able to remember all their rules!! I was confounded!!!
@@Waaagghhh Huh. Never noticed there are never any references sheets anywhere. Makes sense there are small mistakes here and there.
But hey if that’s the price for the best Battle Reports in the business, I’ll take it.
@@btbecks2597they definitely have cards and sheets some times, some of the players just don't use them, or they cut it out of the final cut, I know for a fact Nick has a bunch of videos where he's holding the stack of data cards while he plays
Good game, Love seeing good sportsmanship, admitting mistakes and good on Mubin for letting it slide. It's about fun in the end not arguments. Love it guys keep it up!
Mubin is a total gentleman both on and off screen - winning is nice, but winning at life via manners is even better! I did feel bad though! I’m not sure if it would have made a huge difference by end of game, but still!
Love seeing some Knights hit the Play On table. I know they are a divisive faction but me like big robot!
I’m not gonna lie… ME TOO!!! The models, the lore, the entire thing!
And I have to admit, getting to use the Studio army is a lot of fun!
Jind’s energy was infectious. Loved the jokes and puns. He needs to come back and play more - would love to see him against nick or tyco!
Thank you for the kind words!!! Tycho and Nick are just amazing people - they say that you should not meet our heroes in real life as we'll be disappointed - but nothing is further from the truth with the Play On Crew - they are like that out in the real word!!
Tycho Immega, Child of Chaos vs the Imperial Knight Commander?
Great chemistry with these two. I just felt happy listening to them.
Thank you most kindly :) it’s always an honour to be invited on as a guest, and glad that you enjoyed the match :)
Great report. Just a hint: Insane Bravery can't be used on Shadow in the Warp. Insane Bravery is limited to the Battle Shock Step, but SitW is triggered in the Command Phase (not the BS step of it). :)
Now I’m going to have to watch this back and see where i made that mistake!
@@Waaagghhh 28:15 :)
@@weinstrassendrohnefpv6822 ah doh!
No excuses / I shall do better next time- it’s been a minute since I was last on, and 100% forgot just how strange it is playing at the studio, the nerves, and the just the entire thing!
But I shall learn and adapt!
@@Waaagghhhwho cares we love you regardless
@@Waaagghhh exactly what @blakesunderland7334 said - you did great and I could just image the pressure in the studio and it was a great match to watch. Except that I cried internally for every killed Norn :D
What a classy dude, a true gentleman. Great video, and Mubin is a joy to watch, as always
Why thank you!!! I have to freely admit that Mubin just brings out the best in people - so I have to give him full credit for being a champ of life!
Haven't watched it yet but I'm guessing the norns get absolutely shit on.
Strength 9 and 7 on a norn emissary and no invun save on the assimilator is honestly criminal.
I wont give away the results BUT I will say after facing six Norn...
- Amazing AMAZING models and lore
- Datasheet is somewhat fun and I can see what the intent is
BUT without built in Inv saves or FNP at the points cost is criminal - they are just needing way more than points drops - they need a gentle defensive tweak - and it's not like it is even a big ask as so many big Nid have built in saves!!!
@Waaagghhh the low strength on the emmisary considering so many strength 14 melee weapons in the world, lack of invuln on the assimilator, no inbuilt 6+ fnp improved to 5 on the objective, and toughness 11 really make the norns just sad. Tyrannofex is t12 and is something I'd use over an assimilator in 99/100 games AND is almost 100 points cheaper. You pay such a premium on the POSSIBILITY of either rerolls or oc 15 and FNP. It's similar to the old swarmlord. You pay so much for the abilities but the chassis is just weak
@Waaagghhh Totally agree, I have one of my own and the model is fantastic, and I do like their abilities, they just need a much, much, much better statline.
Sadly GW seems to be really hesitant to change stats and instead changes points costs which as you say is not what norns need. They shouldn't be cheap they should be powerful .
@@ajskojac771 it's wild, like regular old grey knights dread with doomglaive is 5 attacks at str14.
With assimilator at 305 and dread at 120 you could ALMOST bring 3 dreads for 1 assimilator- can you say 15 attacks at str14 -3 damage 3? Poor bug getting absolutely blendered, even vs 2 dreads
I use norn in small games under 1000 points, the strength 9 and 7 make it balanced. Although The points cost are a bit too high imo
28:22 Insane Bravery can't be used on Shadow in the Warp. Shadow in the Warp resolves at the end of the command step of the command phase, insane bravery can only be used during the battleshock step of the command phase. (Which incidentally, still happens after Shadow in the Warp, so anything below half does have to make 2 battleshock saves in that commmand phase.)
Oh no! My bad!
It’s a totally different experience playing a game at the studio vs my house or at an event, and 100% I felt I’d made some basic errors I’d normally not
It’s intense at how much different it is playing as part of a battle report game vs a “normal” game!
Oh no! I’ll be honest, I was quite shocked at how many basic errors I made that night!
It’s such a truly different and disorienting experience playing as part of a recorded game vs a “normal” game!
I have no idea how the regulars do, mad respect for the entire team for doing what they do, and making it look EFFORTLESS!
@@Waaagghhh All good. The intent of the comment was to be informative to people who might not know and be watching the video.
There were a lot of interactions in here that I didn't know because I've only played against Knights once, like the deployment order thing and that Titanic units can't overwatch. It was a great game to watch with two players clearly having a great time.
@@BlaidTDS Oh we did! Mubin is just a top lad, we're super lucky to have him and the Play On crew as a part of our wider community
Love the format. Tycho is awesome. Thank you all for what you do
Gary - I can't reinforce what you said enough! The Play On team is just fantastic, not only for their content but their amazing real-life personas! And who does NOT love Tycho! That guy is literally a living legend! I have been on the channel a few times now as a guest, and even played against Tycho twice in Judgment: Eternal Champions, but even though I have now met him a few times I freely admit I still get star struck around him!!!
Tyranids just looking for food bro, gotta cheer for my hungry friends
Agreed, and my Knights just brought ketchup!
Dear sweet baby jebus! Mubin has grown up! He dice now like him 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
His dice made me have to take post-game therapy!
@@Waaagghhh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Again an amazing video! Thanks for bringing the joy of 40k in 40 minutes to the global community with this amazing editing and narrative!
These Play On crew are on some next level with their content! Was such a blast and a huge honor to be invited on as a guest and be a part of their journey
I can already tell that this is going to be a difficult one for the nids. Not too many ultra heavy hitters so it’s going to be a challenge to down the knights. Most likely will come down to scoring since knights are great at killing but not great scorers.
I feel like sometimes the lists on this show are so obviously skewed and bad that we already know how the game will end before it starts and makes the show boring
@@coachgonzalezpg1742 Not only that, I never saw Mubin win once on Nids...
@@coachgonzalezpg1742almost like this is a narrative campaign and not meant to be super competitive….
@@andrewcrawford8306in this case, the narrative is that the Tyranids adapted expecting to fight elite infantry and no vehicles.
@@andrewcrawford8306 not every other show is a narrative which is what I am referring to genius
Mubin starts off by saying he does win games… yet to see it, but I’m here for it and wil support until we get a dub!
Well he beat me twice I think so far on the channel!!!! So this was for keeps!!! He’s now 2:1 vs me :)
He won that Nids v. Ksons v. Ultramarines game last month, didn't he?
@@AWPtical800 you mean the one he got tabled in?
@@AWPtical800 In a 3-way battle, two people always get dunked on, and the most passive player massively dominates. It just isn't a fair comparison, given it's not even a normal game environment.
Jind makes me laugh, that dad's blazer didn't prevent the inner child breaking through. 😂 "I'd like to put on my assassin's cowl and fade away". 😂
the last time jind played was actually my first look into play on, and Warhammer as a whole. this video made me want to play. THANK YOU PLAY ON FOR MY PLASTIC ADDICTION
Oh no way!!! I Don't know if I first thank you for the kind words OR to apologize for getting you onto the plastic crack!!!! BOTH!
THA-SORR-NKY!!!
How different would this have been with 2 fewer Norns and 3x Tyrannofex?
S18 and D6+6 DMG FTW!
I’d love to see that too! I bet a HUGE difference as then the list could focus on holding 1-2 objectives well and then just DESTROYING the knights on the other objectives
But Mubin really wanted to use SIX Norn!
And I just was happy being a guest on the show and using their sexy studio models
Honestly so great to watch, loved both of them, also such a fun concept too
Thank you for the enthusiastic comment! I mean Mubin's just Mubin - it's always a pleasure getting an invite to the Studio to get a game against him!
@@Waaagghhh Thank YOU, for the entertaining content!
Love to have Jind back! He brings the best energy to these, a real inspiration to us Knight players!
Honestly seen jin outta the corner of my eye and thought how the fuck did they get Jeff goldblum
lol, this made my day and week!!! I absolutely LOVE Jeff!!! This is the nicest thing anyone’s ever said about me!
Life uuh.. finds a way
@@punkboy448 💛😂🤣😅
@@Waaagghhhyou're such a fun gentleman to watch! We need the PoT channel to invite you back more regularly!!
@@LakeVermilionDreams Thank you for the kind words :)
It's both a blessing and super humbling to be part of the Play On Journey
I’ve never seen a person offer their hand open when going for a handshake. That’s the main thing I’ve taken from this video so far 😅
Hello! Jind here - so I leaned this in my youth, it basically means you’ll ALWAYS 100% get a proper handshake as the fingers/palms are guided into proper handshaking position
No more the horror of JUST grabbing someone by their finger tips and limply shaking their hand!
@@Waaagghhh I’m going to give this ago! Agreed on a limp handshake 💀
this was great. Mubin is always fun, and I quite like Jind as well. love to see the big stomp units doing their thing!
Thank you Paul! I was just happy that the dice turned around and allowed the Knights to help me FINALLY get a win against the Mubin!!! Glad you enjoyed the fight!
I just started collecting knights so it was great to see such a skilled player at work. Especially the way he piloted that errant seems like something I wanna learn
Man, Jind is such a great guest, the dude has such great energy.
Why thank you most kindly! I’m pretty sure the wife wishes I wasn’t so loud all the time, but what’s a person supposed to do when they have Warhammer in their blood?!?!
Good game, but I think Mubin here got too tempted by Synaptic Nexus, this list called for Crusher Stampede, it would have used greatly all of the stratagems. I would've also added if possible The Swarmlord for command points generation and Malignant presence (against the ion shields it would've been key). In this game with 6 Norns Mubin should've leant in entirely on primary scores, potentially also choosing fixed Bring it Down himself (with something like Storm Hostile Objective to accompany).
while all you said is true. I think the reason trhey did it the way they did is because they have done those things before and want to have some variety as an entertainment channel
We did have a fairly deep dive post game and discussed how the Nids could have played it different. BUT hindsight is always 20:20!
Great game and its so enjoyable to see you both having a blast! Im impressed how well the norns performed here even if they did take an L
I would like to advocate for a “Jacket Required” rule. Like the Masters or Wimbledon.
Thank you! Me mum got me that jacket when I went to visit my parents in June in the UK - and I LOVE me jacket! 99% just because me mum got it for me!!!!
This is the right way to get my attention. I get story, game play, and now I'm invested
Thanks! It was a ton of fun playing with Mubin!
I play a LOT of tournaments and league games, but honestly I’m having the most fun with my narrative based gaming groups !!!
This was a rough fight for the nids. Norns are cool but the struggle to damage heavy targets like knights and the knights weapons are the exact kind of Overkill you need to deal with the norn's defense. a lot of the nids strength comes from the variety of threats they can bring to bare and their scoring potential. Limiting the list like that farther disadvantages them.
So happy to see Knights again, i know people dont find them as enjoyable but i love my big robots and its especially fun to see them fight elite lists like this. Awesome game, honest mistakes but great sportsmanship all around. I usually fight my knights into Eldar and World Eaters and both want desperatly to take my knights down, Angron and my Atrapos having a blood feud against one another is a total blast.
Thank you! I a m biased, I LOVE playing with the Knights - and I won't stop playing the Knights!!
Mubin is just a great guy and a fantastic sport - was both a pleasure and honor to have played him once more - and on the channel none the less!
THE JACKET IS COMMING OFF! 😂❤ 13:17
Great battle report but for the Tyranid army, I'm quite perplexed. I don't see the point in playing 6 Nhorns. So certainly for the video but at least there could have been less Nhorn. Small example of a list with Nhorn:
-Warlord: Neurotyran with 3 Zoanthropes (Power of Hive Mind)
-Line: 10 Gargoyles
-Infantry: 1 Biovore, 3 Zoanthropes
-Cloud: 1 Ripper Swarms
-Monster: 2 Tyrannofex with Cannon Breaker, 2 Nhorn Emissary, 2 Nhorn Assimilator.
GG at the two teams !!!!!!🤗😄
Jind here - honestly one of the single most amazing things was to see six Norn on the tabletop - they are just very intimidating models to behold, let alone SIX of them! Was it an optimal list for either of us? NO! But it was 100% just amazing to see the six big beasts take to the field against the might of the Imperial Knights!!!
@@Waaagghhh You're right man! Of course, the list was rubbish, but seeing these Tyranid monstrosities on the battlefield was great! By the way, I'm a Tyranid player, are you?
@@Whivious79 no BUT, and not blowing smoke your way, this is legit…
Being a staunch Imperialist in the 40K universe ANYTIME that I get to use ANY of my Imperial forces (Ultramarines, Admech, Guard, Knights) I get the BIGGEST thrills & chills when I face off against the Nids!
My buddy Pete plays Nids and it’s a very, very rare day I can beat him - BUT those games vs Nids are among the best times to be Warhammering!
Jind is such an awesome humble guy, we need more of him.
Woohoo knights are my favourite and I was so exited with the knight list featured! Very happy they wiped the table. Well played both sides and congratulations Jind for bringing glory to the knight households
Love that Jim decided to run the suit jacket, seems like a lovely man to know
ive never seen norns take a battering from shooting like that and stay on the table!
Ah you must mean all the turns APART from my turn 1…
2 wounds done to Mubin
….
3 wounds to my OWN army!
The sheet amount of damage that Mubin soaked up was both awe inspiring and terrifying!
I wasn’t to sure about the guest player but, lol he was cracking me up by t2. Great game all around guys!!!
Adam....it's me Jind - and let me tell you - I am 47yrs old and even after all these years I am STILL NOT SURE ABOUT MYSELF!! :)
thanks for the kind words my friend, glad you had some fun watching me and The Mubes go at it once more!
As a newcomer to 40k Table top, it really feels good that even the pros make rule-mistakes. It really isnt an easy game to keep track of stuff
Hello! Jind here - 100% I’m making mistakes! Especially in a studio setting! But mostly because I’m too excited a lot of the time and I think I’d be best off drinking some green tea before a game to calm down!!!😅
Those knights look amazing. Loved this battle rep and can't wait for the next one.
Jin is a treat! Superb fun personality, invite him over more!
Why thank you ever so much for those kind words Dennis!!! Glad you enjoyed the episode of giant Robots vs giant bugs!
Barely in and I see Jind is back with his Knights.
Loving it already, he was so fun to watch the last time he played.
"Clothes maketh man"
And boy sure it did it
THANK YOU!!! Me Mum bought me that splendid jacket when I went home to the UK this June for a visit, love that jacket as me Mum bought it for me!!
Definitely need a tie breaker when the knight codex’s drop! Really enjoyable episode! Love everything you guys do!
I will bend my efforts to try and get my Knights up to Play on standard for 2025 so when the book drops and IF I am invited back, I'll see if I can take on Mubin in our tie-breaker with House Taranis!
Mubin, Brother, I still await to pardon thee for thy transgressions!
"Titanics can't overwatch' Literally kills my soul. That was like, the whole purpose for the Knight I wanted to buy with the gigantic flamer. :'( No point in using the funny harpoon man if you can't run up, slam a vehicle open, and then burn the juicy infantry inside, then burn them again if they try and leave.
Lol, the BEST thing is that Tycho rather grandly introduces me as Jind, veteran of 100s of games
and moments later I try to over watch, even though it's a rule I know inside and out, and I play Knights all the time - so ironic it was delicious!!
Jind is an absolute riot to watch as a player. I think he needs to have more screen time for sure. With that enthusiasm I'd love to see him square off against Nick and the T'au.
Thank you for your kind words Blake! But could the 4 walls of the Play On Studio be able to withstand the shouting, the jumping, and the joy of 2 Warhammer fanatics going full tilt at each other?!
@@Waaagghhh Blazers vs Lasers. It needs to happen.
Great game, great narration, banger music, really been enjoying this attention to 'nids
I love seeing my chosen faction (IK) on PlayOn!
Loved seeing Jind get a chance to avenge Tak's White Scars. (Man, between that massive Hivefleet mission earlier and now, Tak really has had it rough with the Sons of Khan. I can't wait to see his Ultramarines in action though...)
ggs all around, really enjoying the series so far!
I love these two playing, especially fielding monstrous sized creatures. Pacific Rim vibes is my favorite kind of battle reports.
Thee two looked like they were having so much fun, I hope to see them again
Im in my school bathroom, watching this instead of going to class. Wish i could've watched the live premiere this morning.
Luckily we had literacy numeracy tests so selected students skip class and go to testing instead. I finished really early but I sat in the bathroom watching this because I didn't want to go to woodwork class. 10/10 no regrets.
As a dad of 3 little kids I will ALWAYS advocate everyone to attend to their duties first.....
BUT I can't honestly tell ANYONE that I NEVER skipped school or work for Warhammer!!!!
thanks for watching me take on Mubin
Great to see another fantastic local player invited to play!! Great video and great game!!!
Awesome game.
Was really surprised by how the nids did.
Big model fights are always awesome. Like giant skirmishes.
YEsss another great video to fall asleep to!
(yes i always watch these videos when its bed time, thats when i got the time)
lol it’s all good! I’m the same , and my kids say they will watch this video to make them fall asleep, cheeky buggers!
Spoilers… this is a great episode. Looking forward to seeing this epic battle again in the future.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed watching me and Mubin go toe-to-claw!
Thanks Play On for the kind invite :)
What a nice rivarly building between these two... totally needs a tie breaker.
Thank you! I do enjoy my clashes with Mubin - I'd love to see if we can get back in the saddle one day for a 'once and for all' tie breaker!!!! ONLY THIS TIME I'll try and remember my rules!!!
Love watching the two gentlemen have fun. Bloody good fun.
The background music this game from ALEX was a great choice
I'm so happy this series is a thing!!
Jind here - SAME!!! I am a total lover of narrative based campaigns in my personal gaming
Love it when knights are in action, hopefully they can appear more often
Agreed! 😂 but I’m biased, I love being a guest on the channel, and I’ve developed a HUGE bias for Knights!
A rules clarification: insane bravery can't be used against shadow in the warp, because that stratagem it's locked to the battleshock step of the command phase, and shadow in the warp can be triggered at any point during the command phase (that is, out of the battleshock step).
Similary, it can't be used against other random battleshocks thrown by nids and other factions; just against the "regular" battleshocks due to being below half strength, in the step mentioned.
At least we got competitive list week 1. Woulda been nice to see the new Yahtzee cannon in action. I feel the knights just have to focus down the assimilators to win a close score but not a hard match.
Howdy! Jind here - to be honest going in i was not feeling the confidence- and post match we had a deep talk about how we would alter our game if we were rematched with the same lists, and the conclusion was that the Nids had a lot to play for, but it’s always easier after the game as you have a chance to see how the lists fare.
It’s a narrative series so I’d rather fluffy lists like this over competitive lists. There’s enough competitive games out there
now that was a good fight to watch. i better see some knights at that final fight!
Jind here - Blessed be the Machines of Mars! Glad you enjoyed the Might of the Martian Lords take to fight to the enemy!
Bless Mubin's heart, he really goes out there and tries his best every match. As a diehard Tyranid fan I'd prefer if he were piloting the defending imperial forces, personally, but I do love to watch him play and have a blast XD
Those are some great looking models, both armies!
Sofa King - 100% !!!! I can't get over how incredible the Studio armies are - after the game had completed recording I think I spent like an extra 30-40 minutes wandering from case to case and just staring at the various models!!!
Thanks for using very different music each episode and not just one genre
The Knights rolling early on was comically terrible. Like holy Terra he damaged himself more than the opponent on his own shooting phase.
Jind here - I'm 47, been playing Warhammer since age 16...and that was the most diabolical set of rolls I've seen in perhaps all that time!!!
great vid as always. Just want to point out that you can guard your home objective in this mission. You just can't get the 4vp on it at the start of your turn.
You also can't insane bravery a shadow in the warp BS test as it is not the battle shock step of your command phase. So if a unit is below half, they would have to take 2 tests (if they pass the first). Not wanting to sound like 'that guy' but just wanted to share :)
Jind is super passionate and that's so fun! He just needs to work on his one-liners!😂
NNNNOORRRRNNNN! so glad my boy gets some time in the spotlight! :]
I was mesmerized and terrified when I arrived at the studio to see SIX Norn! They are incredible models
@Waaagghhh "ah one norn isn't anything! Oh, oh thats... 2.. IS THAT S I X!?
@@Casteleio_Typhon It was both beautiful and terrifying to behold all at once!
The world needs more people playing with dollies yelling "yes, YES!!"
Jind is literally the best guest on play on
Well while that is MIGHTY kind of you to say so Nemesis, I can honestly say that I am always in awe of the Play on Team - they are all legends, and it's just a huge honor to be invited on as an occasional guest to play with such legends!
@@Waaagghhh hopefully you’ll get to play more games with them!
Nice job Dadda,Jayna
Thank you my beautiful darling 🥰🥰🥰
You cannot use insane bravery on Shadow in the Warp. Insane bravery states: "WHEN: Battle-shock step of your Command
phase, just before you take a Battle-shock testfor a unit from your army (pg 11)." While SitW happens before that in the command phase.
Realized afterward that someone already pointed it out. The goal isnt to critic, but to educate any other players who would see this as a lot of people learn by watching videos and I didnt wanted this mistake to "propagate".
I feel like they make mumen lose on purpose whenever he plays nids. Seems like there were intenionally bad choices with the list and detachment as well as not choosing fixed. Not to mention that those fnps happening earlier than they were supposed to probably had a decent impact on the game. Still a fun game to watch though. Always love seeing bugs on the tabletop
Mubin picked his own army! He has played the 6 Norn list quite a fair few times in the local circuit and he has had some good success with it.
I do regret the FNP mistake - but in fairness it only kicked in Mubin's turn - and I watched the replay back and the number of 5s to 6s wouldn't have seen a real impact on the game - at most the single largest change would have been one of my big knights would have bracketed a bit earlier and I think end of game we'd have seen one more big guy go down - but the momentum had already swung too far and fast before my FNP mistake, so regardless I don't think the end conclusion would have changed
BUT IT STILL HURTS that I made the blunder!!
@Waaagghhh that's understandable. And no hate on you obviously, your knight army was awesome to see! I mainly just feel bad for him as I also play bugs, and his always seem to have bad luck on screen.
I shouldn’t see this many Norns on a table and feel nervous. Hope my babies do well.
Damn, how did yall manage to get Jeff Goldblum as a guest player!!
lol, when I first read this I was in total shock - but after the shock wore off I got the biggest grin EVER as Jeff Goldblum is a LEGEND!!! To be even likened to such a top lad (no matter how tenuously) was a massive boost for me - so my deepest thanks :)
@@Waaagghhh Def intended as compliment. Great display of force and sportsmanship, monsieur. Hope to see u in more battles
Damn, that Lancer underperformerd but was still brutal! Maybe just one more model to ally to my guards...
How did the Castellan come off the table and reappear in the back line @19:00 ? Still learning here
The mysterious guardian enhancement that the knight took.
Hello! Jind here!
So as part of the army list building you can purchase upgrades for your characters called “enhancements”
One such, for the Knights, is called “mysterious guardian”
It allows you to do TWO THINGS:
- you can Deep strike your knight instead of deploying them on the board
- once per game, end of enemy turn, i can opt remove the model from the board,
Then my following turn the model
Comes back as a strategic reserve!
It’s such a amazing strat
@Waaagghhh that's awesome thanks a million
@@elmotastic578 no worries!! Search for “Knights Competitive 40k Imperial & Chaos”
I’m the admin, and it’s a great group to come learn about how to get the most out of your Big Stompy Robots!
Nothing beats a kaiju battle
And beating the Kaiju! Take that Mubin! Revenge! Finally my kids can be proud of their dad!
if only tyranids had kaiju that could fight instead of just exsisting for scoring
The knight player's energy was really infectious and fun!
Need a Jind vs Nick game, please. I need that energy. Also need to see that amazing orange knight more. I love it so much.
Came here to watch my brown brothers have an absolute slobber knocker of a match. Also blazer to a 40K set is a touch of class…after all this is the gentleman’s hobby.
6:35 had me in tears man 😂
😂 thank you! Mind you, I do love my hot chocolate !!!!!
After Orks Combat Patrol, and more Sigmar and Starter, might try Plague Marines next month.
"I'm here for vengeance, baby."
Hell yeah, brother!
He got vengeance for sure! I think the boys need to throw down after the Imperial Knights and Chaos Knights get codices and go for the Tie Breaker
"belisarius cawl just sent me a love note and says that he loves me" hahahahaha!
Mubin played good Keep it up old boy im rooting for ya
26:02 I don't think the 6+ FNP for the Knights is upgraded to 5+'s yet. It being "Honoured" happens on the command phase of the Knight's Round 3, but it's still the Tyranid's Round 3.
27:30 Nice it was caught when you were triggering the 3cp haha.
Luckily 1 saved Damage didn't matter for bracketing or wounds luckily. Lancer didn't roll any 5's for FNP so no difference there.
Thoroughly enjoyed the sportsmanship and match!
Now we just need some Craftworld Aeldari to save the day and this wonderful campaign will be even more awesome!
Finally more imperial knights games
Thank you! It’s a total blast, a mad rush, and a huge honour to guest on the channel, and getting to use the Studio Knights!