Zack Snyder tried to make a Star Wars movie and it sucked -- Rebel Moon Review
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Rebel moon proved you could combine 40k, Star Wars and Dune and still make a insultingly bad movie
Don't forget Heavy Metal
40K is already like 40% Dune anyway. And you can’t convince me having Luke start on a desert planet was at least a little bit inspired by Arrakis.
@@samueltitone5683 For sure, without Dune Star Wars wouldnt exist and 40k wouldnt even be an idea. All these latin-ish names like Militarium or the concept of an "god emperor" etc. are basically copy pasted into 40k.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz lmao youre the target audience for fast and furious movies.
@@Khan-ec3fr all of that and more wouldn't exist without Siegel and Shuster's creations (not just Superman but Dr Occult, Bruce Werne, Federal Men and their other creations which also weren't original ideas)
"Things just happen because Zack Snyder thinks they are cool". That is the perfect summary of his film making capabilities. He does not care about story making sense or set up and pay off.
Just like a saw someone say way back in the day about the Watchmen movie: "snyder is a director of musical clips. He does not understand characters, they just do what is needed to create a good visual experience."
Reminds me of treating Superman as Jesus...
In that regard, Zack Snyder reminds me a lot of Michael Bay. It's all spectacle that wears off very fast
@@klaykid117 Tbh Michael bay atleast knows how to direct a intense sequence Snyder just slo mo's his shit
@@seyio1717 And Bay has some sense of self awareness
You know what killed this movie for me?
This line:
"I am a child of war. To truly love and be loved, I don’t know if I’m capable of either. The very idea of love, of family was beaten out of me. I was taught that love is weakness. And I don’t know how that will ever change.".
Such a 12yo edge lord moment 😅
Just slap that text over a Joker picture and the meme is complete.
It's also literally just them explaining their own character. As an amateur writer, it hurts my soul.
Zack Snyder really couldn't tell whether he wanted this to be a Star Wars fanfic, a Metal Gear fanfic, or a Dune fanfic. So he just smushed all three of them together without actually understanding why any of those franchises became successful. The movie came out as the trash that this obviously was going to be, and the fact that Snyder is salty at _the public_ for not liking his product just shows how deluded he is.
Obviously, Snyder was far from the only creative mind for this abysmal story. The fact that this actually got approved for the final cut pretty much proves that the _entire writing and editing team_ fumbled the ball hard and cannot recognize that certain story ideas are garbage. Still, I've read *actual* fanfiction stories written by one or two enjoyers of a published story (movie, game, etc) that are higher quality than what a 57 year old official director could put out. That's just pathetic.
What killed it for me are the two separate, disposable SA scenes.
😂 Sounds like something out of Final Fantasy XIII. But at least FFXIII was written by non-native English speakers.
Zack Snyder: “It’d be cool to make a Star Wars movie for adults, since all those Star Wars fans who grew up with the movies are adults now.”
Also Zack Snyder: *proceeds to make the equivalent of an angsty teenager’s fan fiction of Star Wars*
Snyder might unironically be mentally impaired somehow. At a comicon I heard him speak at length and he comes off as having a childlike level of intellect. He can't follow basic narrative concepts and either blatantly misremembers BASIC plotpoints about stories he claims to love or outright lies about them in easily provable ways
Its bizarre. Its like Hollywood conspired to let someone with actual special needs have a career as a director.
Pretty accurate
@@yagamifire7861 I remember him saying that he took a lot of inspiration from ayn rand, so you're pretty close to the bullseye about his intellect lmao.
Lol I remember when everyone said the same thing about Episode 3
@@piccoloatburgerking Not surprised he is a Rand-fan. He has great taste in every way ...
Remember when he said ""in my movie Batman could get raped in prison" and everybody was like ok, but why?
Zack Snyder is a grown man who never outgrew the mindset of an edgy 12 year old, and also lacks the self awareness to see that about himself. He really believes his worst creative impulses are peak storytelling. He's literally been stuck in "I'm 14 and this is deep" mode for 40 years.
300 is awesome, though. Can't deny that
@@cptnbustanut Which only proves the point. His best work is done when he's adapting other people's stories.
@Mindcrow man of steel is pretty awesome too. Zod is a fuckin gangster in that movie
12 year olds are more creative than adults, that i have to admit. I used to be one. Snyder's talent is in production, in my opinion, not story writing. Some of the better films he made, he didn't write. like the aforementioned 300.... and Watchmen... and Sucker Punch.
Zod is a moron in Man of Steel
My mom clicked off the movie 50 minutes in, and she watches EVERYTHING that's big on Netflix. That should tell you what you need to know about this movie.
Based Mom
I only lasted like 10-20mins but chalked it up to being tired... I finished the next day and realized it was just that bad.
resisted more than me, true warrior
Feels like a January movie
I know , then she came over.
My favorite scene is the follow-up to the spider fight. Kora praises side-kick guy for helping the little girl and says not many people would risk their lives to save someone, he responds saying how she would. Which is funny considering the previous scene she stood there and didn't help anyone.
😂😂😂😂
Oh Zack 😂
"I'm from the Snyderverse and I'm here to help"
Rebel moon is the straight to dvd action movie from 2003 but for the streaming age of 2020s.
This is definitely where it belongs. Not good enough for a theater.
It makes pitch black and the chronicles of Riddick look like the best movies ever... in comparison that is.
That means Chuck McGill was able to watch this thing at least once before his death
There were plenty of great straight-to-video movies in the early 2000s. Such snobbery.
Y’know, the death of Boromir might be one of my favorite examples of slow-mo enhancing a scene. Rather than throwing it all throughout the movie, they waited and used it to draw attention and emphasis to the scene.
I just seen that scene today, the found myself watching this movie pitiful
Hell, just recently, Godzilla Minus One PERFECTLY utilizes slow motion at just the right moments to heighten the emotional weight.
Since a film can be experienced with only 2 sense, camera tricks are there to compensate for the other ones. Dutch angles for disorientation, lens flares for scorching heat, shaky cam for shaking. But if any of those tricks is overused, it looses its effectiveness and becomes just visual noise.
Its funny how some of us eventually go back to LOTR for the examples of how to do things
@@svetlanaandrasova6086 I mean… they continue to be an excellent example, right?
Come on, give him a little respect. It's not Walmart Han Solo
it's Great Value™ Han Solo
😂😂🤣🤣🤣
It's Han Solo but dumber.
Ham Slomo.
Diet Shasta Cola Han Solo.
That ain't Han Solo, that's Ming Alone.
There couldn't have been a better time for a Star Wars replacement to come along and Snyder fell into the same pitfalls as Disney lmao
Dune movies and GW/Amazon Warhammer 40K hopefully will be the replacements
@@Methyll The only thing about Warhammer 40k giving me hope is Henry to be honest, GW and Amazon both proved not to be the best reliable source for good things, especially when the fandom makes way better things with their universe than them.
@@Colouh I don't entirely agree with you on Amazon, Amazon is a bit divisive in regards to their quality products. Amazon is more 50/50 it has very bad results like Rings of Power, and Wheels of Time Season1 but on the other side of the coin it has created very good products like Invincible, Reacher, Terminal Lists, Wheel of Time S2 was better and as well as maintaining the quality of bought shows like the Expanse.
Considering these I don't recommend people writing off Amazon. when it comes with them, we need to look at their contracts franchise individually. From what I can tell usually its the Projects that Amazon has complete control bought the IP that really goes down the Drain "Rings of Power" while others that required shared control or they just do not have majority influence tend to do quite well.
@@Colouh Why though? Cavill is an actor who likes W40K a lot, but that doesn't mean he knows how to put a good show together. If he had lobbied to get a producer credit and seat at the decision table on The Witcher (as many, many lead actors have on their shows) and then constructively worked to improve the show instead of just jumping ship for a second failed attempt to make his Superman work at DC, I might understand where that trust comes from. But so far there is just nothing that makes me optimistic about his producer skills. This is a very new and huge responsibility for him that so far is backed up by nothing other than his popularity in the fandom and being a hobby W40K player. Maybe he will grow into it, but I would find that more likely if his imdb would list even a single screenwriting, directing or producing credit. But as it is he is a noob and a wild card in his new position.
doesnt matter. as long as his cult likes it its a win
The ultimate “We have Star Wars at home” movie
That used to be the Star Wars Holiday Special, but not anymore.
It's maybe the worst example of the most ripped off film plot in history.
The fact that it was released on Netflix makes it even funnier
How do you make a movie both washed out and neon orange? How do you make both the background AND the foregroud look out of focus at the same time? Some of the many terrible secrets of Zach Snyder.
Honestly it reminded me of 300 a bit, only much less effective and stylistic
One thing I thought of when you mentioned how even Evil Empires can’t just go around murdering everyone is how at the start of A New Hope Luke was planning on attending the imperial academy to join the imperial military. For places like tatooine there was no difference between the republic and empire when it came to governance or lack thereof and so nobody batted an eye until the Empire killed his family.
He did say he hated the Empire, though. But apparently not enough to not want to be involved with them...
You know the deleted scene with Biggs where they discuss their plans to desert and join the Rebellion? I think it's also in the novelisation.
@@taste_is_sweet I thought he only said that after his aunt and uncle were killed?
@@mathiasbartl903 haven’t seen it unfortunately
Luke said to Obi-Wan that he hated the Empire before they killed his aunt and uncle. The fact is joining the Academy was just a way to get off that shithole planet. His friend Briggs went to the Academy and once he graduated defected and joined the Rebellion. That was probably Luke's plan as well.
Remember, Denis Villeneuve was able to condense half of the first DUNE book into a 2hr30min film but somehow REBEL MOON need a longer version to flesh out characters? Come on man...
Yet for some reason nobody saw Dune except Dune fans, while everyone watching Rebel Moon. As usual.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bzI'm curious what your standard for "everyone" is.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz uh, looking at the data of the numbers based on views and ticket sales for both films, this couldn't even be farther from the truth
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Nobody? According to wikipedia: 'Dune was a box office success, earning $402 million on a $165 million budget.'
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz This is clearly a Snyder burner account
Snyder is perfectly capable of directing a good film, as long as someone hands him a good script and a detailed shot-by-shot storyboard to follow.
300. He can adapt well. He can't create.
That's not directing that's editing. Zack Snyder is an editor who failed upwards into running an entire superhero franchise.
When post-2003 Michael Bay starts thinking he's Chris Nolan.
Perfect summary of Hack Snyder. He's nothing more than a pretentious Michael Bay.
Hey, Michael Bay at least knows basic story structure.
5TFU fake DC fan Zack is SUPERIOR to Nolan!@@horaciosi
One of the worst decisions (amongst MANY) was the killing of the spider lady chick, thing… she was literally the only sympathetic character, who actually had some semblance of a backstory and realistic motivation. This “movie” fails on every measurable film metric
And leaving the droid behind.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p100%! The droid story was also the only heart of the movie and he ditched him! Now he’s not even part of the story? I don’t get this guys mind…it’s f*cked!
Nah. Sympatheic villain are so boring. It always goes the same, of "I evil because this evil thing happens, so I'm evil."
Alot of bad movies and shows has this trope. Just look at the Disney remake villian line up. Many pure evil characters now have sympathetic story to explain why they are evil now. Like how Cruelly want to skin puppies because her mother was attack by dogs by another evil character.
That trope need to die deadlier then Disney Star Wars
@@bloodysimile4893 They don't do sympathetic villains properly. They just want to justify their shitty behaviour is all.
@@thatHARVguy It's because the writers will justify any evil they commit themselves with the same braindead "Yeah but something vaguely bad happened to me one time so it gives me a pass"
People say “oh the company wanted a pg-13 movie but Zack made a rated R movie so he had to edit it down its not his fault” it is his fault he knew he was breaking the rules and he did it anyway then plays the blame game over and over
a PG-13 rating removes adult content such as violence, coarse language and nudity.
plot development and story is not adult content, other than in the sense that that level of nuance hurts Zach's 12 year old brain.
@@merphul saying Zach has a brain is extremely generous
Pretty sure Netflix would have been fine with a longer rated R version. They released original rated R movies before. Zack just wanted to artificially create the effect the Justice League caused. Also my theory is that by releasing a crap version first then his 2nd version will look better then it is because people will compare it to the crap version. Like what happen with justice league.
I can’t find any actual primary source that says Netflix forced a PG 13 version. There is definitely non PG stuff on Netflix.
@@francesconicoletti2547 if they didn’t want a pg-13 movie then thats even worse cause Zack tried to pull of what early access games are trying to do by releasing it unfinished
From the looks of this movie it seems Zacks inability to write an actual coherent story is put on full display. For once, I am with disney. This would have been an awful star wars movie
Sucker punch put it on full display
And people wonder why Hollywood can't get writing talent when it gives Directors near dictatorial powers to smash action figures together and call it a story, no one with any skill would be caught dead on such a project.
Which part of the story were you not able to follow? I thought it was pretty simple and straight forward, like the Seven Samurai story it is based on.
@@JKurayamiI think the OP means more that what happens doesn't make logical sense, not that it wasn't understandable.
I know what you did, but I don't understand why (incoherent).
We have at least 6 catastrophe Star wars films which exist only because of hopes based on 3 core films and even they had two death stars and teddy bears that no one ever had anything bad to say about.
Battle Beyond the Stars already did Seven Samurai in Space more than 40 years ago, and it had the good graces to be less than 2 hours long and actually moderately entertaining.
Yeah this looks more like a remake of BBTS than star wars 😂
Yup exactly this - underrated comment
Don’t worry he’ll explain everything in the 4.5 hour long cut that has unnecessary slow mo close ups of sesame seeds
Whose there to say that the whole 4.5 hour extended movie is just the original movie but now its slow-mo start to finish 😅😂
I am proud of you. Unironically. It takes true dedication to watch this for more than 12 minutes.
Watching it with friends and a whole lotta booze helped
the dark side is a path to many abilities that one might consider it to be
unnatural
I almost gave up then but thought I was just tired... Finished a day or 2 later to find it was that bad.
@@SheevTalks Snyder didn't try to make make a Star Wars movie, If your expect it to be Star Wars then that's on you
I lasted 20 mins. I went back later to sort of hate watch as was curious if it got worse. it did
I like how in a galaxy potentially full of alien life every member of the 'team' is just a human. I also like the 13 year old trope of 'if you want people to know they're bad guys just have them want to rape for no reason'. I'm pretty sure that's like one of the first things they tell you not to do in writing. Also the only thing the world can pay these people with is grain, which the empire also wanted (the excess grain at the start anyway) so I mean if you defeat the empire and have to pay 8 of your 9 bushels of food then I mean you didn't really win much. Also why is a galaxy spanning empire so concerned with a few bushels of food? They'd have a lot more if they weren't constantly razing planets they don't like and instead using them to produce said food. None of this makes sense.
An easy fix would have been if the empire was just overtaxing the farmers because they weren't full citizens of the empire, which is just something that happens a lot in history.
Didn't they literally show Noble killing the head of the village and saying they are coming for everything in the village. You think I are being smart saying this right?
@@bencox3641 that is what happened in the movie, Noble killed the head of the village and we're taking away the harvest
@@KafuKemeh Good to see you didn't read the first comment.
@@bencox3641 Good to see u didn't read the thing that the main villains are colonizers and take everything from the village. They start this by killing the village head and you are complaining
The irony of this movie is that the flashback scene of Kora's childhood stretched across two hours would have made for a great Part One movie
To me, this movie felt like Zack was a child being like “and then they did this oh and then he rode a giant bird, and then this guy got eaten and then they talked to some lady oh another planet and she is like really cool with lightsabers and had children’s but they died and kills a spider lady and then-“
For like the whole movie. I wish we actually got something more than the most generic movie of all time with a little bit of everything where nothing worked. I’ll give it points for the robot. He’s the only character I liked in the first one. I might like it more if they were to idk, PROPERLY INTRODUCE THE CHARACTERS. It’s weird. Maybe part 2 and the director’s cut will fix this.
So it's basically like that Jurassic World movie when they're in a mansion with genetically enhanced dinosaurs that they're selling to billionaires and there's this clone girl? Sorry, I forgot the title, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I remember pretty much everybody saying that movie felt like the "plot" a kid would make while playing pretend.
Disney didn't pick this up, because this movie is blatantly Zachs role playing group stumbling on an old copy of 40k: Inquisitor and just fucking around with the character creation and tithe rules until a vague plot emerged.
On the positive side, I discovered that this movies dullness counteracts the effects of alcohol, and got to drink more than I normally could.
I might also have broken the post button somehow. So I can blame Zach for that too.
I wonder has anyone asked Cavill about this?
Because it does come across as Warhammer 40k!
He should be ashamed to say he worked on this for 30yrs.
you're not joking.
i gave it two attempts.
the first one i barely got through. the second i didn't have enough vodka to handle, and ended up shutting it down.
Robert have you ever watched the 7 Samurai? Please do it thrn you might have an interesting moment.
@TorianTammas when the leader of "The Imperium's Militarum" looks exactly like a Commisar of The Imperium of Man's Astra Militarum you can tell they are blatantly copying 40k
After this film, I am deeply convinced that the adaptation of "Starfield" by the hands of Zack Snyder would be an ideal option! A crappy movie adaptation for a crappy game
I would love this, except I would love it even more if it somehow turned out to be a masterpiece. like when two negative integers make a positive!
That's pretty much every game adaptation ever made.
@@f1jones544Well, that used to be true until last year when we got Tlous HBO series, Twisted Metal peakok series, The super Mario bros movie, Arcane, Castlevania etc, and potentially upcoming series like fallout on Amazon as well.
Starfield is basically citizen Kane/The Godfather compared to this movie lmao 🤣.
Absolutely nothing happens for no reason. Starfield and Snyder movies encapsulated.
He was too busy Zach'n off to write a good movie
Watching Zack Snyder films could be a daytime job. If you wanna get paid to watch all of his “director cuts” you’d run out eventually so why not do it over again. Like an actual job
Speaking of which, I've heard rumblings that he been talking about a "director's cut" for this movie. To me that seems pretty dumb, especially since he was given free reign to do what ever meaning that the original version to come out should already be the "director's cut"
Given the context of how the "Imperium" is portrayed in the movie and how the soldier's costumes look like, i wouldn't be surpised if the newest, very creative, masterpiece of bestslowmowriterdirector himself gets a letter from Games Workshop's legal department soon.
GW prefer to pick on the little people
Oh, really? I'm not really familiar with 40k, but I found the comparison between rebel moon and sw a bit odd, somehow it looks more like a ripoff of 40k, instead of sw. It seems you think that, too.
@@Sekir80I think the SW comments are mostly because SW is more mainstream. The only real connection between Rebel Moon and SW is the stuff they both took from Dune.
Rebel Moon asked Warhammer to copy their homework, and changed a few answers hoping the teacher wouldn’t notice.
@@ianbyrne465 I'm not familiar with Dune, either. The only thing SW ripped off of it seems to be spice, what do I miss? Tusken raiders? That's something close to Fremen, but neither spice nor Fremen/Tusken present in rebel moon. I really must miss something here.
@@Sekir80 Dune was the first to do the evil spice empire, strange space powers that are endemic to those who have the proper training of a closely guarded order, etc.
SW took alot of inspiration from Dune, as did most scifi properties, and there are tons of articles and videos explaining exactly all the similarities
Good Ole Zack, can never resist the temptation to reach new lows
Disney shutting down Rebel Moon from being a Star Wars movie was the only good decision they ever did in Star Wars.
That’s hyperbolic and dramatic af
I'm gonna be honest, that's just factually untrue. They gave us a lot of good stuff, especially in the animated side of star wars (with the exception of Resistance and Forces of Destiny). They gave us Rogue One, Season 7 of Clone Wars (though they did cancel that first), the Bad Batch, Mando and much more. Saying it was the ONLY good decision is just incorrect
@@danielboyle435 Mando got turned into a shitty nostalgic bait obessed with needless cameos and nostalgia and for every good decision they made, they fucked up an hundred ways.
@@armoroftruth3166wait cameos who I don’t remember anyone showing up in that show stop being a vergin hater
@@armoroftruth3166 That's one of the many things I pointed out. I never said it was perfect but it's decent and enjoyable, especially the first season and most of the second
I'm liking this video and commenting to incentivize you to watch the second part and summarize it, because I really don't think I can sit through it, and I need you to take one for the team.
Remember guys, this is supposed to have a second part!
help
So the two parter will be 6 hours to tell one actual story after getting the director's cut treatment.
and you thought ZSJL was a bladder challenge.
I liked it, it had its weaknesses, but it worked.
you know what really horrifies me - the second part is going to be open ended - because franchise.... honestly starting to really hope that rock hits us in 2032.
I love that little detail when you show the imperial engineer from “Andor” demanding “Let the boy go”, while you’re talking about imperials not being exclusively evil.
Great vid as always!
Everything in Star Wars is about the Empire being evil. So telling a new story in Andor breaks the last bits of the original.
@Tammas captain/admiral Piett, general Veers, moff Jerjerrod are not “evil” in the OT, they are people simply doing their jobs. Not everyone is Tarkin or Palpatine.
Btw, how could anyone claim that the Empire is not evil in Andor? It is using screams of dying children to torture prisoners, for crying out loud.
@@kamillavalterthey are evil but not maliciously evil which is yeah a given tho, the characters who aren't sith should be that way.
Only Palpatine and perhaps tarkin should be fanatics.
That said I'd right in andor they are evil to but also not pure monsters 24/7.
A good balance of I can justify this for my paycheck or authoritarian idrals
Snyder has always kind of come off to me as an edgy teen who never grew up.
The 'theatrical cut' followed by a directors cut is just a gimmick with Netflix trying to recreate the JLA Snyder-cut buzz. Its manufactured excitement that didn't work and actually just makes this whole mess even more messy.
You are still going to watch it right?
Nope.
I really enjoyed listening to this guy pick apart a movie I've never heard of and will never watch. The Internet.
When you make a seven samurai, in space, and STILL fail, even if the story you are adapting has proven itself TWICE to be a success!
You know when you're a kid and you make up stories by smashing your toys together? That's Zach Snyder.
Zach's a decent if divisive director with a particular style, but like many other directors these days he can't write his way out of a paper bag. Most of the great movies of history had 2 or 3 writers and none of them being the director for a reason, it's exceptionalpy rare to be good at both and even rarer for someone who's great at one to be great at both, or even good at the other. Hollywood needs to stop with the double duty.
I actually don’t mind double duty. If you are confident and you can write the movie, AND take the directing lead, I say go for it. Because that’s the true talent of a creative. When they feel confident enough to craft the story on their own and take an even greater leading position. That being said, you are still right. Sometimes, people like Snyder aren’t the best writers and can’t write a decent story, but they know how to direct well. So in some cases, it’s best to have other writers(good writers)tackle the script so the movie can flow better.
The inverse of this is also true and the commonly unmentioned source of the problems with the last of us part 2. Contrary to what you'll hear from people who dont like him, Druckmann is a pretty decent - good writer, its just that when he was given the dual of job of crafting a narrative and deciding exactly how to present that narrative visually and interactively that he shat the bed in the latter respect.
Thats the problem with Hollywood today, Directors who THINK themselves brilliant demand the level of narrative control that only a Speilberg or a Scorsese should have. Most directors have 1 skill set confined to instructing an actor to emote the lines on a script. They can't write, edit or conduct cinamatography worth a crap and are completly dependent on these other proffessions to make anything that's not a trainwreck. How do studios NOT understand this?
how? he has never made a good movie.
Calling him decent is generous
I can't wait for Zach Snyder to fulfil his destiny and shoot a whole 12 hour film in slow mo, except for the fight scenes that would normally be in slow mo, those would be regular speed of course.
To think this all started with one fan saying “no, Man of Steel is actually a good movie”
Can you maybe explain as to why it isn't a good movie? (For the moment, ignore how it adapts the character of Superman, just look at it on it's own merits.
@@jacksondavies3595 I’m not arguing it’s a bad movie.
I’m arguing the Snyder fan mindset started with a rigorous defense of said movie
MOS is SUPERIOR to MCU and Nolan garbage!@@gianni206
The weirdly stupid thing is when the contact gets nabbed by bounty hunters I thought, ok so here’s we go, they have to rescue this guy, or maybe go warn the rebels that the empire will find them shortly but no. No. They just let it happen, then have zero urgency getting to the rebels meandering around collecting individual characterless heroes before getting to the rebels. Also what in the hell was the plan, half a dozen heroes vs orbital bombardment? I mean.. there’s so many problems I can’t even begin to name them all.
When you mentioned the *total* overuse of slow-mo, I immediately thought of Sucker Punch... (a movie where someone brushing their teeth or taking a bite of a sandwich might use it)
Imagine MY SHOCK when I just googled it.. and found "Director: Zack Snyder" in the credits! Ha
Not gonna lie, that's the only Zack Snyder movie I enjoy, but I know it's not a great movie, just like the rest of his work. And no, it's not for the sexy girls, I'm a straight woman, I just like the overall vibe of the movie and a time capsule of late 2000s and early 2010's ballet-core aesthetic. I liked the mix of anime elements like over-the-top slow motion fights because it was supposed to be a bonkers plot. Besides it released when I was in my angsty teenage phase, so now that I think about it, that's probably his target demographic: angsty teens, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but we should stop pretending he's on the same level as Christopher Nolan and the like.
I'm actually intrigued by the idea of different directors trying their hand at the same movie idea as someone else. Comparing how people might differ in their execution would be pretty neat 😊
You know that part of heist movies where the protagonists recruit a crew in a montage where we only learn surface-level things about each character? Rebel Moon is basically that, but bloated out into a movie.
When "300" came out and I said it was a shitty movie that seemed to exist only as an excuse for TOTALLY! AWESOME! fight scenes and utterly superfluous slow motion, the gaggles of gym bros who loved the many, many lovingly framed shots of greased up man abs in an entirely platonic way told me I was wrong, Zach Snyder was a genius, "300" was amazing and gave them a feeling they hadn't had since their scout master gave them back rubs at camp, etc. And the idea that "300" was good and Snyder was a good filmmaker seemed to have been the majority opinion, at least among the people I knew. But it's nice to see that if "300" is still considered a good film, at least that quality is now generally seen as the aberration in the otherwise consistently shitty Snyder oeuvre.
Wasn't it an excuse for totally awesome fight scenes? I see nothing wrong with that. Not unlike watching Godzilla movies just to see "Godzilla go SMASH!"
Snyder was at his best when he was directing other people's stories. As soon as he started doing his own, everything imploded.
Happy new year Sheev, didn't think you'd survive this long
I don't get this guy, or why anyone thought his "vision" would've saved DC.
I have never seen a director have such a mindless slavish following and it’s doubly bizarre that someone of such little and limited ability could inspire such utter unconditional loyalty
My brother told me he liked it so I watched it. After 30mins, I don't know how to tell him it sucked and I couldn't finish it. Maybe I should give it another chance when I don't have anything better to do lol.
Don't do it, watching paint dry is more fulfilling
I watched it with a friend after we had gotten slightly buzzed. We finished and couldn’t remember half of it.
My attempt to fix it. Act one. Cora is the one hunting the animal. When she returns it to the village there is a mixed reaction. They are happy for the meat but the elder guy declares it is not the season of the hunt citing the ancient laws of the ancestors. It’s a bit tense but farmer guy convinces the elder that Cora does not know all their ways and the waste of the great beast would anger the gods more than a mistaken hunt. This helps to show that Cora is an outsider and is trying to earn her place in the village but results are mixed. Her and farmer can have a bit of a heart to heart about the rules of the village.
Now we are on the ship with the admiral and his senior staff. One of them announces that they believe they have located the main food supply for the rebels. “Farm” planet was previously the personal hunting grounds of the kings but hasn’t been used by the royal family for 20 generations. The admiral says that according to the law former properties of the slain king can be claimed by the nobility. He sees an opportunity to expand his personal power and damage the rebels at one go. Set course for farm planet.
Back on farm planet the admiral lands and talks to elder. “You have been supplying the rebels?”
“No my lord we are loyal we would never sell to rebels. We were offered a fair price by the servants of lady bloodaxe and we took it.”
The admiral believes that the village didn’t realise that they were
Supplying rebels. He announces that they are all under imperial interdict for supplying the enemies of the empire. They will be indentured servants for 5 generations for their crimes but they will live. Elder praises admiral for his beneficence. In the background Cora runs off.
Cora and farmer have a chat. Cora says they need to get off world. Why farmer wants to know, indentured servitude won’t be that bad. Cora explains that the admiral will bring in machines and people from other worlds. He will leech the knowledge of the village and scatter them to the corners of the galaxy. Destroying their home. Okay so what can we do against the power of the empire asks farmer. I don’t know, but o know a man who will know what to do; general guy. Farmer says he knows where there is an old shuttle. It’s probably not up to much but it’ll get them off world.
The shuttle really is in a bad state but it was an imperial shuttle at one point so it’s not bad underneath the years of neglect. Cora gets it working and off they go to general guy.
The general is working on an urb world. He is training militia of the local lord. We she his skill in commanding men and inspiring loyalty. Cora and farmer land on world. Cora uses some emergence imperial code as customs to secure transport to the general. The customs guy calls her my lady. Farmer guy is suspicious but is happy enough with Cora’s explanation she bought the code from a trader years ago.
The get their meeting with the general. He won’t mind giving the empire a black eye but how can he leave his post. He is under an interdict - little better than a slave. Cora says as long as he can make it to their shuttle they can get off world. Maybe have a firefight where the general gets away show case his tactical brilliance.
Back on the shuttle the general says the best way to protect farm world is to keep the admiral spinning from one disaster to the next. General will need some operatives he can trust for such an operation. Sword woman, his former personal body guard. Animal tamer, formally one of his captains and beardy pilot guy, his former quartermaster.
Off they go to collect them. To streamline it a little they are all now operating as traders on the border of legality. On the way there d’amener goes to sleep and the general and Cora have a conversation that hints that she once held very high office in the empire but it is left there.
Reunion happens. They are mostly happy but beardy is angry the general just abandoned them when he refused some orders. Beardy storms off whilst he explains the idea of hitting key imperial targets to destabilise the empire in this sector. They come up with a plan. The next day they are getting ready to leave. Beardy returns seemingly having gotten over his resentment and asks to join them. We see press a piece of tech that flashes twice and a quick sound pings. It’s not explained but perhaps enough for us to know we shouldn’t trust him.
So they hit the imperial fuel refinery or whatever. It’s all going well. They lay the charges and return to the ship they press the button to blow the main fuel dump and nothing happens except a small bang. A bunch of imperial ships jump in and surround them. They are under arrest for treason.
Beardy had betrayed them and the admiral wanted to make sure he could lay treason charges. We can have the reveal Cora is the daughter of the regent. Farmer is dismissed as a mere pawn in the game. He will be returned to farm world and serve out his interdict. The rest will be returned to mother world. Beardy is left in charge of farmer. His is taunting farmer as a fool etc. Farmer surprises and overcomes him. Farmer is initially scared but soon realises the people on the imperial ship pay him little attention assuming he is a servant of some sort. With a bit of cunning he manages to free sword woman who fights her way to animal guy and together they free the general.
Cora and admiral guy are verbally sparing when warning sirens blast out. Prisoner escape. Prisoner escape. Then some rebel ships jump in and start attacking. The general suspected that beardy might betray him so paid someone to tail beardy. When they knew he’d contacted the imperials they nearly left but Cora sensed an opportunity. She got farm guy to contact the man he sold the grain to who was able to pass a coded. Message to the rebels. “They won’t last in a prolonged fight against you but your ship is in chaos and your crew aren’t at their best. They will last long enough to cripple your ship. And then you’ll have ti explain ti high command how you lost control of the situation.”
“But I’ll still have you as a prize.” The admiral goes off to take command of the situation but we hear the cage stand robot disarm.
“You didn’t think to check if my imperial codes were still valid.” Cora and admiral have a fight. She wins but is wounded. Farmer finds her and together they get to their shuttle with General, sword and animal. They escape. “Today was a great victory. But we will need many more.” The rebel ships jump away as the imperial ship is badly damaged but beginning to get its guns firing. Admiral is revived by his crew and we leave with the mysterious figure of the regent demanding a report as it seems he will need to take personal charge of the situation.
Wow💪
i like your fix it works great. I would watch it any day.
Honestly a lot better than we got, there's actual character depth it seems from this, not just action figures galavanting around the house
When me and my sister watched it, I made the joke "if this was a drinking game", and before I could even finish the joke she started laughing, and all I heard in the fit of laughter was "so much slo-mo". If it was a drinking game I'd be drunk by the time the first thirty minutes was up.
Can’t believe nobody on set mentioned how shit this movie was guess he just has yes men around him
Can't believe how no one mentioned how shit people like you are. Amd yes men are still better than nobodies hating everything like you do
Hack Snyder is what you get when you surround yourself with nothing but yes men.
@@horaciosi His name is Zack Snyder. And you sound way more like a hack yourself
At least this film didnt assault you or your family or property
"There's no reason to be picking up random strays, that can only do so much, when you're on a time crunch."
Holy shit, you just explained the plot of Mass Effect 2.
If A Bug’s Life and Star Wars had a boring baby you’d get Rebel Moon.
Glad there’s somebody else out there that thought “the Snyder cut” was trash.
Zack should find two three writers that would make script from his ideas (with his imputs during the proces) and editors that can reject slow motion sugestions a lot.
the sons of garmadon reference with the harumi flashback footage was so based
Feels like a true AI written script. Hey chat GPT, I need a movie script with a strong heroine.. please include inspiration from 7 samurai, magnificent 7, Star Wars, war hammer.. boom movie is done!!!
When i watch the trailer when it first dropped, my friends said it looked awesome. My reaction was more toward the "this looks like a montage of movies coming out next year." and after watching it, my thoughts toward the trailer are fully vindicated. When i watched it, it was the first time in a long time that I was mad at a movie for wasting my time. I describe this movie as the Longest movie where nothing happens. Sheev's comparison to the Nazis being how you would play with your action figures hit home, but i would extend that to the entirety of the movie. As a kid, I had Power Ranger action figures, GI Joes, Jurassic Park toys, and the TMNT, and they would fight together against villain figures. That is exactly how this movie feels. this movie is the personification of Zac playing with his He Man toys, Star Wars figures, and Samurai figures.
Damn he really did try to make a sequel to sucker punch 😂
All the ways I can think of to improve this film basically makes it into Seven Samurai (for me the much more obvious film to compare with), and I got that one on BluRay, so I might as well watch it instead.
That was my first thought about 30 mins into this movie. “Oh this is just a shitty remake of 7 samurai in space” and at the end they didn’t even have the seven. Imagine dragging that story along for 2.5 hours and barely having the first half of it in the end.
Seven Samurai is a masterpiece. Watch that instead.
It is Seven Samurai or if you sant the American copy thrn Glorious Seven. That people dont see that is interesting and tells a lot....
I'd rather watch Mortal Kombat Annihilation. Twice in a row. Sober.
Theres at least a muddy catfight. 🧐
Just give me WH40K. This movie felt like a waste of time. I lost confidence when Snyder thought zombie rape was a good idea.
We have Star Wars at home, the movie.
Hey wait I know you
Zack is useless without a strong script and a producer. What a shock.
Zack Synder has ideas but its not always good ideas.
His visuals are indeed amazing, but he really needs a solid writer.
My favourite thing about Rebel Moon was tearing it apart while watching it with my friends. It was more fun pointing out the movie's copious amount of flaws, than actually trying to watch the movie seriously.
The movie lost me in the first 20 minutes when main character lady had to save a 14 year old girl from being gang raped by the empire soldiers occupying the village. Took me right out of the movie both because it broke the escapism aspect of the movie, and because it couldn’t have been more heavy handed.
Snyder's mouth constantly writes checks his movies can't cash. Every character in this movie is some sort of super ultra mega badass but most of them don't do anything. In an earlier Zack Snyder cinematic abortion, Sucker Punch, one of the characters was said to possess the skills to a dance so amazingly erotic it would boil the blood of any man who saw it and then said character never did an on-screen dance. His dedication to tell don't show is impressive considering film is a visual medium and so all that is required to show is to have an actor do something while the camera is aimed at them. If you want to write a hacker character the Zack Snyder way simply have another character tell the audience that this guy is the greatest hacker in the known universe and then never have him be in the same room as a computer for the rest of the movie.
It didn't shock me one bit. Zack Snyder is the single worst action director wirking in Hollywood. All of his DC work is absolutely terrible. He never understood any of the characters in the slightest.
I mean it's Zack Snyder what did you expect a well written movie?
Hack Snyder doesn't care why things happen so long as it looks cool that they happen.
Re: slo-mo. I agree with you that slo-mo is generally used to help the viewer see something that's happening to fast to see at regular speed. I'd also add that you can also use it the same way you'd use a splash page in comic books: to really emphasize a cool scene. "Hey, I'm going to slow down here so we can linger on this sickass moment, 'kay?"
So the two examples you showed are... a bunch of people running down a field shooting at people offscreen, and Kora hiding behind a table during a shootout? That's not cool, and we don't gain anything from it slowing down. I really don't understand how you could be a big-name movie director and not understand basic principles like this.
"300" was a fluke! The graphic novel was the storyboard.
stopping nazi rapists is not a compelling story, when that's the only point on the graph in which characters show any semblance of "change"
but then, snyder *did* say he would have had batman get raped in prison because the dark knight wasn't "dark" enough.
Honestly, this movie feels like a child playing with his lego characters.
None of Zack's shortcomings are news, it's been obvious since sucker punch, when he wrote the script he thought the audience wanted to see. And somehow people are still surprised.
While there are plenty of people who are randomly cruel, they are the exception and not the rule (even when Tarkan blew up Alderaan he had a purpose behind doing it since it was to show how powerful the Death Star is), even in an evil dictatorship a regime that does cruel things for the sake of doing cruel things will never survive because people won't be afraid to fight you because if they do they're going to be killed anyway, and that's just the beginning of the reasons why it's stupid for people to commonly do cruel things for the sake of being cruel when it comes to a keeping a regime intact.
The empire raiding and pillaging would make sense if they were stealing from another state or empire but stealing from your own territory does not. As per usual having the entire galaxy be ruled by a single government leads to the question of what goals that empire even has.
With each new Zack Snider project that comes out, the more convinced I become that Legend of the Guardians was an anomoly.
What I don’t understand is why the women in these movies and TV shows are directed to deliver their lines in such a flat, monotonous manner devoid of facial expression. Do directors think it makes their characters look tougher and more masculine? Because all it does is make them come across as excruciatingly boring and unengaging. Meanwhile the male characters lack even the most basic control of their emotions and come across as weak and unhinged.
No man, please watch the 2nd part as I would just love to see your review of it! I mean I know that watching this is like sitting in a dentist's chair waiting for the anesthetic to hit so the dentist can stick his football-sized fist in your mouth to pull your teeth out but I just loved your review of it.
Main plot point: Rebels defeat Empire works in Star Wars due to Empire is only 19 years old. Most of the galaxy still remember Republic, some powerfull players are not happy with the new order and has resources to fight for the cause.
The whole Death Star was created as ultimate weapon to quell endless unrests in different parts of the Galaxy.
Empire in Rebel moon is several thousands years old. According to movie 1886 king ruled in unbroken succession. Every clerk from postman to planetary governor is loyal to the crown. Every major war resource has been accounted for.
Sad thing is, I'd really love if something filled that star wars void, but Zack Snyder is everything bad about Disney, he's just edgier about it. There was a really cool set up for a "seven samurai but space" with the collecting different warriors, but it was utterly wasted.
What I want to know is how Anthony Hopkins got roped into this to voice that robot guy
Getting paid for talking in a cabin is great for such an old actor.
The story was all over the place because the plot was originally from the 7 Samurai, where the 7 warriors are hired by farmers to fight a band of bandits out to steal their harvest
ok and how does that explain that?
In The Seven Samurai the recruitment all happens in one place, the villagers are hiring mercenaries and the mercs come to them. No running all over Japan on side quests, no rebellion , no attacks on the people attacking them.
Why is no one talking about how she had a gun. She could of shot the bad guy but chose to run to him and fight him with her fists
I was so close to turning the movie off before the halfway mark. "Let's do a flashy flashback instead of giving character an actual conversation that'll develop characters and relationships!" "Walmart"? nah that's Wish Han Solo lol. Please watch Part 2 for me and make a video so I don't have to sit though it :)
It was such a horrendous film, thanks for proving I'm not insane by hating the entire thing!
15:50 To answer this, Zack is using retrofitted cameras from the 60's to film Rebel Moon as he did with Army of the Dead. The problem is that these camera lenses "intentionally" cause issues with actors in shots getting blurred and the fish eye lenses causing distortion in the background. It was extremely heavy in Army o the Dead and makes it borderline unwatchable.
he intentionally insisted on using cameras that had a shallow depth of field so you can never get things that are more than 6 feet further back from each other to both be in focus, hence the gratuitous amount of background/foreground blur.
but because he knew that another DP would probably end up declining to use these cameras for the majority of shooting, he appointed himself DP so no one could screw with his vision of using Snyder-vision.
he literally caused the problem and then made sure that no one else could fix it behind his back.
@@merphul The Snyder-fanbase: "But it is still a great stylistic choice!" - yeah, especially if it hurts your eyes. I could make a movie and smear shit on the camera lens, why not? It's my vision and therefore good.
@@merphul Well, to be fair, "shallow" is the keyword that defines Snyder's entire body of work, so it makes sense he didn't want anyone to mess with that aspect.
But the fully CG shots don’t use the shallow depth of field, so even in shots being shown in the reviews the spacecraft and the characters don’t appear to exist in the same universe.
Thing is, you can actually use those lenses properly. He's just putting them on the widest aperture possible in order to get the maximum bokeh/fancy lens distortion, which happens to also have the effect of extremely narrow depth of field because that's how lens apertures affect focus. Any amateur photographer could tell you that, but Snyder seems too stupid to use that properly. He got so excited about the other lens effects that he didn't bother working around the low depth of field.
Edit: I'm pretty sure similar lenses were used in the car chase scene in "The Batman," and that was shot very well.
Never forget, 300 was good only because it was a comic book adaptation, pages turned into scenes 1:1, perfect fit for Snyder who could turn epic panels into slowmo,
"Zack Snyder shouldnt be allowed to WRITE HIS OWN MOVIE and BE HIS OWN CINEMATOGRAPHER " - RLM
Snyder is not a good director plain and simple. This isn't a surprising outcome for this movie. Disney Star Wars is fucking garbage but this is in no way better. He had the perfect opportunity to combine Dune, Warhammer, Star Wars, Riddick and whatever else into some cool new space fantasy adventure and dropped the ball completely. What a shame but it is not surprising.
He's an okay director, he's a terrible writer in a God AWFUL DP
Zack Snyder: "Do I understand Superman? Sure. 'Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive!' What else is there to know?"
*goes and makes a crappy Superman movie*
Zack Synder: "Do I understand Batman? Sure. BIFF! BAM! POW! What else is there to know?"
*goes and makes a crappy Batman movie*
Zack Snyder: "Do I understand Star Wars? Sure. 'Luke! Luuuuuke! I am your faaaaather!' What else is there to know?"
*goes and makes a crappy Star Wars movie*
To your list I would have to add Watchmen, possibly the most complex character-driven comic ever written: "Rorschach kicks ass! Adrian Veidt kicks ass! Nite Owl and Silk Spectre have sexy sex in an owl-ship! Dr. Manhattan's big blue swinging d-ck!!!" (????!!!!!)
5TFU fake DC fan Zack DCU is SUPERIOR to Gunn and Matt Reeves garbage!
Most ridicilous thing is idea that interstelar empire depends on supplies from ONE VILLAGE. And that bunch of mercenaries can defeat Imperial Dreadnought. All the time ignoring Galactic Civil War for Succession (Rebel siblings, Princ) and Army of Rogue General.
Zach Snyder should just go into production design. He's great at managing that aspect of filmmaking. As for story and directing...FUUUUUUCKKK NOOOO.