It's not like I really want to see more of most of the current cast given they are poor substitutes or have been irrelevant. But she's been overused since the near end of season 4 and this is why I have to agree 100%.
I have a theory that Cecil isn't a empath anymore but she wants to convince everyone that she still is so she usually points out the obvious to pretend she still has it
22:27 I’m surprised you didn’t mention how in season two, Joe literally immediately shot at Harry three times because he thought he was Thawne. It’s a massive leap to think Joe doesn’t want Thawne dead lmaoo
For Joe it was ON SIGHT with thawne. It really annoyed me that Joe was the one to say they should rescue him DIRECTLY after thawne killing him was reversed and while thawne is actively gloating. Especially after the newbie "uwu hurting people is bad" peeps immediately got told to shut the fuck up cuz their opinion doesn't matter. It really was a good episode up until that moment.
Thawne's ability to negate being erased from existence stems from the comics where he is a living paradox basically making him immune to any timeline changes he or anyone causes to himself. Now the issue is, if you didn't know this then thawne existing past season one makes no form of sense and the way the show tries to handle it only makes it more confusing.
Actually no, the show did explain that the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes during the season 5 finale during the Nora and Thawne storyline. So Thawne existing makes sense.
@@jaypegasi3769 no no....Legends writers were on shrooms and actually worked out....Flash writers don't care and stopped caring about their characters
@@ninjanibba4259ok because legends is actually so bad it’s entertaining, and the actors are really clearly loving every minute of it. They’re really having fun writing such random and yet still somehow connected plots even when it makes no sense, they aren’t taking it seriously at all and it shows. Flash tries to be serious but fails. Also legends straight up tells us the characters are the least important people rip could find, they aren’t special really, not smart not really anything other than disposable. So when we see them mess up it’s expected and doesn’t require much to believe. It’s had it moments of being terrible but generally it’s enjoyably bad.
Fun fact: on the Brazilian dub, they forgot to edit out flash's Brazilian voice actor saying "look at this shit dialogue". Even the VAs are tired of this shit lmao
fun fact: the Mach 20 speed that barry needs to reach in season 7 would be around 20 thousand miles per hour. Barry moved faster than a bolt of lightening in season 1. Thunderbolts travel at around 270 thousand miles per hour. So much for becoming faster each season.
It's also important to note that that speed is only relative to earth. Earth itself is constantly hurtling through space at 67 thousand miles per hour. So how can anything going a third of the speed the earth is already moving, suddenly destroy the world? There is an easy fix too, just gonna pull this out of my ass: "Barry needs to ACCELERATE (not be a certain speed) at a certain rate to travel through time, but in this specific instance he would have to accelerate so fast that his atomic structure would just disintegrate, which the speedforce (canonically) prevents. But to prevent him from disintegrating from accelerating SO fast, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The energy the speedforce needs to counteract the acceleration killing him, it takes by directly terminating atoms into pure energy. The speedforce can handle this at normal acceleration, because it uses the energy instantaneously, so there isn't any explosion or some such. But at that level the speedforce itself can't keep up and would produce more energy than it would use and the leftover energy would nuke the planet." There you go writers, a freebie.
and yet Barry could still talk at normal speeds. It annoyed me soo much. If Barry moves that fast, time slows or even stops, his voice to everyone else should be speed up to near static. (like holding down play and fast forward on a walkman at the same time) Instead its just "hey guys, i just hit mach 18, anyone want anything from Big Belly Burger?"
I mean.... in the comics it’s very similar. He was stopping crimes he organized to make him look like a hero, flags stops him, he realizes he is supposed to become flash’s biggest rival, and then turns into reverse flash.
in the comic he is soo petty he erased his own brother from the timeline because he was more popular. Then he erased a girl he had a crush on because she wasnt interested. He pushed Baby Barry down the stairs, stole his toys, and a direct quote "It was me Barry. I was the monster under your bed. The Demon in the closet. I was every bad day you ever had. It was me, Barry. It was always me."
The thing that makes the whole saving eobard thing make even less sense is that Joe in season 2 legit tried to murk Harry wells just by proxy of sharing his face. So him being the one to try and talk down Barry is werider.
@@Hollowmello1285 And the Reverse Flash killer Nora and various other innocent people and plus tried to kill Flash, the cast, various heroes, and even Joe as well. Joe wanting to save Eobard makes no sense whatsoever
Cecile sensing stuff got so old so quick, she sensed stuff that the viewers are clearly aware of but i guess it’s important that she states what the character was feeling even tho we’re smart enough to figure it out, someone could get shot and Cecile would say “i’m sensing your pain since you got shot” it was so poorly done, do children write this show?
Confrontations with villains have now become like Dora the Explorer saying "Swiper no swiping" with criminals instantly reforming when Barry tells them to stop.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 Everyone should know season 2 was weak but I wouldn't call it bad. Even The Boys at its worst is better than 95% of shows, ofc it has its problems.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 the uh... Video where he says he likes it and just has problems? Edit. Oh. You mean that mauler BS. I thought you meant a respectable review LOL
Since they introduced the multiverse almost immediately in season 2, all they really had to do in later seasons was say "this Thawne that you erased is from your timeline, this here Thawne comes from the multiverse version that defeated and erased his Barry from existence; he found out about the multiverse, couldn't accept his parallel-self's failure and decided to conquer other worlds". Make it apparent slowly, drop hints in the subsequent seasons until you decide to drop the show, and in the finale of finales you send Barry to fix the Thawne-won version of the Earth.
Didnt even need that much complication. We KNOW for a fact that timeline changes to your own doesnt affect other universes as Harry commented on it on S3 (If I remember correctly). All they had to do was saying ''He IS your Reverse Flash, but this one was on a different universe during erasure and survived.'' He can still exist as a time remnant, he can still be the threat we know without any more bullshit.
Well Eric Wallace, the guy who came onto the show as a writer for multiple episodes in S4, became an executive producer in S5, and became the prime and only showrunner in S6, did say that he wants young people to watch the show at DC Fandome for S7. I'm pretty certain by now that what he really meant was little children, maybe up to 12 year olds.
@@hollowcloplover9539 he didn't explicitly said "children", but I'm pretty sure he said he wanted "young people" who are new to comics to not feel alienated, to not feel like where's _my_ villain (as in where's the villain that I'm used to seeing in the comics), just the way he said it in the panel made it feel like he was referring to little children. You can watch that panel in the first DC Fandome event ever (forgot the year but maybe 2020), I'm pretty sure the whole panel is available on UA-cam. It was around 20-30 minutes long. Just look for The Flash Season 7 DC Fandome Panel or something.
Honestly that would make sense. My 11 year old brother would watch this show and find no problem at all and rather think its cool. But still like it was good and it can still be like it was in the earlier seasons and kids can watch it too.
It seemed like the writers main goal since season 5 has been...."How little can we use Barry and focus on everyone else without pissing off the audience?"
His motivation in the reveal isn't even accurate. In the comics he used to idolize Barry and went back in time to meet his idol after doing a bunch of very illegal shit to get his powers. After going through all of these loops to make it happen, he learns that he becomes his arch nemesis and it drives him insane. But his reason for not killing Barry and killing his mother instead was because he knows that if he does HE WON'T FUCKING EXIST. That's why he goes out of his way to ruin Barry's life, because he felt cheated by his hero and time itself. This whole, "I want to be faster so I can save more people," thing is original to the show and stupid. I don't know how/why they messed up such an easy motivation for the sake of being different from the comics
@film fan that's still a stupid ass motivation. You're mad because an established hero stole your thunder as you are a literal nobody. So your response is to kill the mans mother? That's dumb asf
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 you're right. I remember that scene. It was back when they remembered that he wasn't supposed to look like Wells. So not only did they ignore the comics, they ignored their own lore lmfao 🤣
@@Vegitodraws just came back from rewatching the scene, Matt goes so hard as Thawne, man. And exactly, Eric Wallace really just said "fuck the previous seasons, we'll conveniently pick and choose flashbacks and force feed them to the audience so our bs storylines are somewhat explained"
I actually love how Thawne keeps becoming pettier and pettier as the show goes on. He isn't the cold and calculated mastermind that he desperately wants people to think he is.
He’s terrifying on the surface level he’s read absolutely every possibility and timeline essentially making him a hive mind of multiple clones around time with the same goal however his way of being a hive mind is through being a sociopath and never learning anything outside of furthering his goals leaving him exactly the same in every copy
@@akwilson1676 but that's what make him less and less intimidating to the point where he couldn't even be considered the nemesis he once was (and he didn't tried to be a mastermind, he actually was in the first season)
Am I the only one who thinks that Eddie should've just shot the reverse flash while his back was turned. If it worked on Barry, Savitar and zoom then I'm sure it would've worked on the reverse flash but I guess they had to get rid of Eddie somehow for Barry and Iris to get together.
@@ProfitPathwways Wasn't Savitar literally shot in the back by Iris? This is really just another example of them NOT knowing how to handle Flash's powers. Super speed is majorly overpowered. We literally see Barry get shot in the back of the neck, and WHILE the bullet is still in the process of piercing his skin, he just reaches behind himself and grabs it, making the bullet totally useless. So that SHOULD establish that every speedster at LEAST as fast as Barry was at that time (which is EVERY speedster after that moment cause otherwise they'd just be a non-threat) is immune to bullets, cause they can just grab them before they break their skin even if shot in a sneak attack. However that means they would need to actually work to resolve conflicts. So they just ignore it when convenient. Like EVERY time Barry fights fucking Snart.
You know what could’ve been an interesting origin story for how Thawne grew to hate Barry? Have Thawne explain that he wanted to be a speedster because he saw the way The Flash did things as flawed. The Flash didn’t kill and he thought that if he was a speedster he could show everyone how easier things would be if the criminals who committed crimes were simply removed from society. However once he got his speed and started saving the day his way, people inherently knew that it was wrong for one man to be judge jury and executioner. However instead of changing his mind, he instead decided that people not liking his methods must only be because The Flash is around doing things differently. So in this case his hatred for The Flash is fueled by his own ideals and not petty jealousy. Or maybe that would suck just as much idk I’m not a screenwriter.
@@Xaveze it is. But damn Thawnes petty af. He once pushed kid Barry down some stairs, and made him lose his homework, and one time left Barry's door open so Barry's dog could runaway
Actually...that does sound a lot better but Thawne would sound a lot more like Godspeed from the comics instead. I like your idea better though. Or they could make it that once Thawne got his speed, he accidently travels back in time and figure out he becomes The Flash's greatest enemy and it drives him mad causing him to become the Reverse Flash.
The thawne paradox you talk about at the start would've been so easy for the writers to fix. They introduce the multiverse in flash season 2, have the legends of tomorrow thawne come from earth 2, get stranded, and then decide to go fuck with the legends. That way the events of season 1 still happen.
The legends thawne I believe was first described in his legends season as being the flash s1 thawne who is trying to outrun the paradox and avoid black flash. That's why his whole goal is to rewrite destiny so it wouldn't be a paradox. I'm pretty sure him being from flashpoint is a s8 thing but I could be misremembering things
@@tinygreencreature5167 Outrunning the paradox is dumb too, we saw him die in flash s1, he already failed to outrun it, why has thawne come back again?
@@moth5799 ikr he literally disintegrate. I THINK the reasoning is that he's a time remnant and is mostly trying to outrun black flash who knows he shouldn't exist. The legends even ends that season going "fuck it if he's using time remnants and paradoxes then we will too" and just go back to an earlier battle to help themselves. All of them get killed in the process, leaving the earlier versions alive and well with the day saved for them essentially. It's a paradox and acknowledged as such, but I honestly really like that as a counter to RF's entire existence as a paradox
@@tinygreencreature5167 that's it. Season 1 Thawne got Marty McFly'd, but Season 2 Thawne is basically protected by the Negative Speedforce and an Avengers Endgame scenario, then Flashpoint Thawne is one time remanent that is a paradox and as explained by Zoom, those are damned, in Thawne's case, he's directly being hunted by Hunter Zolomon as Black Flash. But yet again, as there are a lot of Eobard Wells' and just Eobard's that are protected by either the Speedforce or nexus/fixed points in time, that one time remanent from Crisis on Earth-X survived somehow or got created as soon as Black Flash died. Being that version the one we saw pretty much until he died now in season 8 (although he died pretty much three different times before this one). Let's hope they actually get their shit together and they start using younger Thawne again, the true Thawne played by Matt Letscher.
The thing about the Flash that makes me the most frustrated is the wasted potential with every story. Every season Eric Wallace has directed I've only loved because of the concepts. (The death of the speed force, the Godspeed war, the introduction of three new forces, etc.) Shit like that sounds so fun on paper and yet the Flash finds a way to do the lamest versions of every story it presents each time. It doesn't help that Eric Wallace doesn't look at any online Flash stuff. He lives in a bubble that ultimately makes any criticisms the fans have about the show null and void.
I'm surprised you didn't say much about Caitlin resurrecting Frost, which really annoyed me. The plot just fully character assassinates Caitlin in numerous ways that seriously makes Dr. Strange look like the smartest character alive in No Way Home. I mean, the premise is her bringing back someone, which was a big mistake she should've learned from Deathstorm. What's worse she even tries to tempt Barry into bringing back his parents, which just sounds like what a villain says. People seem to hate on Scarlet Witch being a villain in MOM. But her turn at least had a believable foundation and set up with the Darkhold. The problem is her being a villain was underwhelming since it's right after her development in Wandavision. Say what you will, but her turn was miles better than whatever Caitlin just did this season.
Bro, when you're talking details about one show, doesn't mean you can give spoilers about any other movie/show that you need to bring up for your argument. Come on man, I haven't seen MOM! Should have given a spoiler warning.
Ryan's speech about love being just a chemical thing feels weird. This *is* Ryan Choi, Paragon of Humanity, who had a wife and daughter during Crisis, right?
I'm gonna assume you didn't watch season 8. The Ryan Choi we see during season 8 is not the same one from Crisis. The alterations to the timeline affected Ryan as well. In Reverse Flashpoint he never had a wife or kids.
I'm definitely one of those "thanks for saving me from wanting to watch this" fans. Flash is one of my alltime favorite characters. Always tied with Green Lantern for my favorite super hero. I will say despite the shows downfalls I do think Grant Gustin has done a hell of a job wearing the many suits, not looking too goofy, and capturing the vibe I get from Barry Allen. I'm weird and wish they made him go blonde but that's just a style thing. Great video as always man
Seasons can start strong easy. The real test of each season comes in the second half. They can either fail to keep the threat from the start of the season going strong enough to be interesting in the second count or fail to introduce a secondary threat to wrap up the season to match the threat that took place in the first half of the season.
So I spent about an hour last night trying to think of a way to make reverse flashpoint work. I still haven’t done it, but I’ll come back to you if I figure out a way because I love the idea in concept it just requires really really good execution that I don’t think CW was ever capable of
I don't even watch the show anymore, I just watch videos like this which talk and rip into the show because it's infinitely more enjoyable. (Great vid btw keep it up)
I’m not sure if he already said this in the video but it feels infuriating they couldn’t use the original face instead of Tom Cavanaugh. This became noticeable in the Earth-X crossover ongoing.
25:26 And you know what? That’s pretty much exactly how he’s used in the comics. The writers had the blueprint right in front of them and just went “nah I don’t really feel like it!” ARGH!!! 25:46 And this would have been SO cool! Smh
I love how stiff the suits are. It made me laugh for so long seeing the reverse flash waddle around because, how tf can they run so fast in a suit that is about as flexible as a 2x4
In case anyone is wondering, there is a Marvel Universe equivalent to this kind of badly written villain. He's an X-Men enemy named Stryfe. He's also come back to life multiple times after being killed and his motivation is just as silly. He hate Cable (his brother) and his father Cyclops for loving Cable more than him. Sheev, you should do a video showing why Eobard on the show is a bad villain using the The Joker in The Dark Knight as a comparison.
I would argue that Tom Cavanaugh’s Reverse-Flash in S1 (and the little bit we got in S2) is up there with Vincent D’Onofrio’s Kingpin in DD. However, making Harrison Wells an actual person instead of just an alias just to keep Cavanaugh in the show has definitely soured the character for me.
@@soberchimera61 It's actually kind of funny that this show has gone in reverse of what typically happens in TV shows. Normally the first season of a show is just ok because the actors and writers are still sort of figuring it all out and then it normally hits is highs in the middle like Star Trek: TNG or DS9 for example. But this show peaked in it's first season. it's middle seasons are hot garbage to say the least so Thawne must've been working some meta magic to effect the show he's in overall. lol
I didn't watch season 8 after *Armageddon* , but I decided to watch the last 3 episodes since I'm a RF simp, and they brought his 2 actors back, and I wanted to see the Diggle scene, and I skipped all the scenes about the losers who replaced Cisco and Catelin... and the moment Thawne ripped his face off was one of the best parts of those last 3 episodes. His negative costume could have been good too, had they spend more efforts on the mask, and made it more comfy so it didn't look like RF was constipated every time he took a step. I so wish that this show had been somehow finished after season 3, have it end the same way with Barry deciding "screw it I'm going full flashpoint" and end it... and there so we would have fond memories of it. Same for *Arrow* , with a few minor tweaks it could have ended after season 5, which would have tied up his 5 years marooned nicely. Maybe have the secondary characters of both shows get some satisfying endings in *Legends of Tomorrow* , like it did for John Constantine after his solo show got unjustly cancelled after 1 cool season? Maybe have Diggle become a Green Lantern in Legends, Black Siren redeem herself in it too (her redemption arc was one of the things I enjoyed in later season of *Arrow* ), and... Oh well, it does not do well to dwell on paths not taken, or something. I just hope that in the future, DC fans will not be discouraged to watch the first 2 (or even 3 if they really like what they've seen so far) seasons of The Flash, just because it turned to shit right after.
@@KuroAceVT - That costume looks nothing like the one Ezra Miller is wearing... and why would they "throw shade" at him after they asked Ezra to take part in *Crisis on Infinite Earths* ?
Joe even tried to kill earth 2 Harry the second he saw him by shooting him, thinking he was Eobard in season 2, so I don’t see why they’d change him like that
I stopped watching Flash quite a while ago, but this reveal of motivation makes even less sense seeing as Matt's Eobard already revealed his motivation in the season 2 episode. It's basically him telling Flash that he went back in time to meet his idol only to learn that he is destined to be his Reverse. Season 8 can only be explained as Eobard being crazy or literally a different person entirely. Do keep in mind that Flash season 2 Matt's Eobard is the youngest we've ever seen thus being before the stupid Matt/Tom split.
The whole 'how does Thawne exist after season 1' to me could have had a simple explanation in season 2 that I initially thought they were setting up, but they never followed through with. As you mentioned had Thawne never existed season 1 and all of the events prior to it such as the death of Barry's mother would never have happened, which is why him being erased caused the whole interdimensional rift/black hole/whatever at the end of season 1, but in the season 2 premiere they stop it from destroying their universe. By stopping it and saving their universe they just needed to say the Reverse Flash clearly isn't erased anymore, they all still remember him, Barry's mother was still murdered by him, so just have someone say something like 'Eddie killing himself would have erased Thawne and thus our universe, but because we stopped our universe from being erased we therefore stopped Thawne from being erased'. That's a pretty clear cut explanation that makes sense, and seeing as the Thawne we meet in season 2 is an earlier version of him just say that Eddie's actions now resulted in Thawne dying rather than being erased. The Thawne we saw in season 1 was clearly towards the end of his rivalry with Barry, he said they've been enemies for years, so just have every version we see afterwards be his younger self who isn't concerned with getting back home and is focused solely on ruining Barry's life, so by the end of the show we've caught up to the character we see in season 1. The whole thing with Reverse Flash constantly dying and coming back was addressed in the Rebirth comics in a hilarious way after his skeleton is found at the start of Doomsday Clock. His skeletal remains are in a morgue, then a narration basically says 'he's a living paradox so he'll always come back' as his body regrows and comes back to life. It's so lazy but I also kind of appreciate that writer saying 'fuck it, he'll always come back who cares why or how'. Either way its a shame because if they kept up the quality of the first season and used him more sparingly, Thawne could have and should have been terrifying in every appearance he was in much like Homelander in the Boys, just a completely unhinged and all powerful monster.
Actually yeah this would've been perfect for Flash and the general tone of the show. You want to do the right thing, but at what cost? Erasing RF will not only make your lives better, but countless others. On the other hand, it also means the complete destruction of your existence. Show also could use this as a stepping stone to excuse why Barry hates changing the timeline. Because each time he does it, EVERYTHING he cares for is simply erased out of existence and only he remains since he was in between universes. This also would make his eventual creation of Flashpoint much more heavier because he *knew* the consequenses of possible changes and did it anyways. It also makes Savitar much more ruthless Barry who doesnt give a shit. It ALSO makes Crisis on Infinite Earth's storyline better by extension since Barry gets a chance to redeem himself. Show could have been so much better if it didnt back down from the risks it dared to take every 2 minutes.
yeiy 11 months late... that still doesnt make sense cus well that eddie isn't reverse flash grand-grand-grand grandfather... they are straight up in a different timeline where barry mother dies, so that eddie isn't related to that flash reverse... so he shouldn't be erreased out of existence cus eddie soduko himself, but rather cus thawne mcffly himself out of existence by change the timeline to our curren't timelines... that is why the "he is a living paradox" reason works so well, it not just the writer going fuck it, by that point in time, barry and other speedster have fuck around with the timeline so many times, but not as much as thawn himself... at that point he as being the castalist of so many events and died in so many different times, that he doesn't longer has a past or future, he just exist. he became a constant of the universe, he exist cus he has to exist simple as that, the universe doesn't puffed out of it cus he suppose to be there. so that is really the only explanation of why thawn always come back, it cus he is just a universal constant
It really is a shame. Thawne deserves so much better than what the writers have made him into. I honestly just feel bad for him, going from one of the most amazing villains in the arrowverse, to being as derpy as the rest of the flash nowadays 😔
What a shame to see that this season made Thawne a complete joke he gets dumbed down, his motivation sucks, he gets petty for a stupid reason just, because "the Flash steal his spotlight". His costume looks stupid and made him less threaten and dangerous that he is in season 1.
Can i just say that if Cecile's dialogue pattern changed from: "I'm sensing a whole lot of grief from you." to something like: *eyes narrow as she walks closer* "... you're grieving." Then I could forgive it far more
Man, people who say flash s8 is up their with first season is crazy, ain’t no way that they weren’t half asleep and watching a earlier season and thought it was season 8 or it was right before they went to bed or early in the morning
This show is still on the air? I clocked out at season 4 and I was being patient. Kind of sad this show still brings in viewers. At what point do people stop? I’m gonna guess this show will end at season 10
I stopped after season 5 and 6 is a dumpster fire, the cgi is bad and there’s too many characters to the point flash doesn’t feel like the main guy anymore
Eobard Thawn is in the comics a time paradoxon. No matter how often you kill him or erase him. He will always come back. I mean his Origin is fucking paradox to begin with. He travels back in time to create the Flash, which he is the biggest fan in his timeline. Like how does it even makes sense?
This dude has really opened eyes and made me realize things that I thought about but ignored. Well it still had some good things about it. Actually what I call a great season is that it's worth re watching such as S1 S2 and and a bit of S3
6:27 what ther writers wanted to say was "thawne was in the future but came to this time period before anything else" which still doesn't make sense since if he got erased from existence he wouldn't be born to get speed and come to that time period
Okay, I completely forgot how nonsensical the "no kill, save everyone" is in The Flash series. Recently, I finished this amazing Disney animated show called The Owl House where, spoilers: . . I mean it, you should watch the show, I'm about to spoil the ending, and it's a good show, so read at your own risk. . . Luz, the goody two-shoes hero, watches Philip, the unwavering genocidal fascist villain, FKING MELT under BOILING RAIN she may or may not have magically brought up herself, followed by other main characters TRAMPLING HIM TO DEATH for good measure. There is no "you gotta save everyone, even the worst, or you're no better than them". In fact, the last season makes a point of completely destroying the "just as bad" trope. This was a fking breath of fresh air, and now watching this video reminded me of why. Especially the moment with Joe, holy sh!t
People who literally said that this season was a return to form have no idea what they were talking about. Seasons 1-3(Yes, 3 included, despite that season’s issues)actually made you care about what was happening with the cast as well as the overall events and the stakes that were in place. Seasons afterwards with I guess the exception of season 4(and the first half of season 6 with the Bloodwork arc), I don’t give a shit anymore. I’ve watched season 7 and 8 of this series with the mindset of “I do not care anymore. This show means almost nothing to me like it used to”. And I still feel like that. Because this show’s writing, storytelling, character drama, and just overall atmosphere doesn’t feel the same anymore. I don’t get excited for this show. I just turn it on to see how this shit will eventually end. I hope season 9 is this show’s last.
Those types of fanboys and fangirls do that every time a show that's going or has gone bad has one episode or season they like. Go OMG "insert show name here" IS BACK."
Not only is having someone whose power is "empathy" a complete writing cop-out because you don't have to consider how to show and demonstrate a character's inner turmoil when you can just have a character say "yo, this dude is feeling SAD!", but Cecile's "actress" has the acting capabilities of spilled milk that was left out in the sun for a week. The woman cannot emote to save her life. She has no way to put the right inflection into her voice, and we're supposed to just accept that she's not a plot device? Danielle Nicolet must have some massive blackmail material to have this role, or she somehow gives the industries best sloppy toppy.
IMO, the reason season 1 is so good, is the fact that the flash only just having powers justifies situations where he doesn’t necessarily do the smart thing, and the jokes are still pretty good to me, but after that first season I can’t justify anything else the flash does, since he should have no excuses to not instantly win against non speedsters.
The acknowledgment of that having to go at Mach 20 will destroy the whole world also ignores the Speed Force Aura that all Speed Force users have that protects them and the environment around them when they are running at high speeds.
Was that introduced in the show aswell or is it just a comic thing though? I’ve never read the comics but watched the show multiple times, and i just can’t compare these two because the show is obviously a ADAPTION of the comics which means it is not a 1 to 1 copy of everything in the comics
@@hollowcloplover9539 it’s never introduced in the show but considering the fact that Barry’s speeds have never once had adverse affects towards himself and his environment it must exist when you take into account that the Speed Force exists in the show which is the source of his powers and in the comics it is said that the speed force aura is a thing so in just going to blame it on negligent writing.
@@khalidahmed8402 Barry has caused windows to shatter when he ran previously in the shows, assuming the aura doesn't exist, many people muse have gotten hurt.
I have stumbled upon this video while i am doing housework. I have never seen The Flash and only know Grant Gustin from Glee. Seeing him as a middle aged man is killing me.
Savitar doesn’t even make sense because for savitar to exist they had to commit like 8 character suicides. The reason savitar exists it because apparently he was a remnant a “disposable hero” he says and team flash rejecting him because he wasn’t the ‘real Barry’ while in an earlier season in a climax of a fight a remnant sacrifice’s itself and they clearly cared about it. So the creation of savitar is bull crap
The irony of the fact that literally Armageddon and the negative forces could've all be prevented if barry had caught him in season 7. But no barry let him go and said "that's future us' problem"
The time travel logic in armageddon feels like someone in the writing team watched the mcu Used it's time travel logic but forgot that's not how time travel works on the flash
I know I'm late, but I just want to point out that there is a LEGO DC direct-to-DVD animated movie where Reverse Flashpoint happens, albeit in a much more kid-friendly manner, & it still makes more sense & is more entertaining than season 8.
9:05 I always found his plan stupid Because if he kills kid barry he never becomes the flash meaning eobard never becomes the reverse flash meaning he never travels back in time to kill barry And him deciding to kill Barry's mom so he wouldn't becomes the flash doesn't make any sense because him losing his mom doesn't mean he never gets his powers and just gives him a motivation to become a hero In the comics his motivation makes a lot more sense See he knows he can't kill barry so he fucks with his life like pushing him down some stairs erasing his friends so he's more lonely a lot of other shit and of course killing his mom
Not in the timeline they were in. In Reverse Flashpoint Barry never became the Flash but Thawne did, in an attempt to steal Barry's life for himself. As a cherry on top and because he didn't need Barry anymore to exist in this altered timeline, he did what he always wanted to do and killed Barry.
@@KuroAceVT dude, I wrote the comment 5 months ago, I don't remember what I was thinking, anyway I think I said that because if he's immune to time line changes , then why doesn't he constantly try to go back in time and kill flash as kid , of you know what I mean
Im sure you've gotten this comment before about Thawne's origin story. It's lame but it's comic accurate although a bit simplified. In the future he was a fan, wanted to be like him, got the powers, created dangerous situation to save people, barry stopped him and he's "rehabilitated" in prison, tries to become barry's sidekick, makes his costume yellow cause "all the sidekicks wear yellow", goes back and in time and sees Wally West in a yellow costume, gets pissed cause he realises he's not special, the rest is history. Although I like your idea for the shows origin of Thawne
Actually the “no kill rule” is something that’s a thing all the way back in season 1. I don’t remember an exact example I can give you from S1 of the Flash, but in the crossover with Arrow (Brave and the Bold), they make it evident that he has a “no kill rule”
It's interesting to me how you mention Barry and Thawne having a teacher/student relationship so Thawne could potentially become a good person, only for that to fail in the end. Cuz the Batman Telltale series kinda did that plot with Batman and Joker instead. And yeah, that could've been good.
i think part of the fandom reason for loving thawne so much is love for other versions of the character being able to bleed into the arrowverse version thanks to his time travel origin. how they managed to make his backstory lamer than even the comics is impressive. the comic backstory is, to summarize: thawne is from the distant future where the flash is a world famous hero in history. he worked at the flash museum and was the biggest fanboy the flash ever had. he fanboyed so hard he managed to figure out the flash's real identity through historical documents, and was as such able to figure out how he got his speed and replicate the procedure. the flash also ended up in the future at one point and gave him some hero advice, which slived in his head rent-free. he immediately made a suit resembling the kid flashes of the past and tried to be a hero, and went back in time to show off how good of a hero he's being, only to learn that not only was there already a kid flash in that era, not only did that kid flash get the same advice he once did in front of him, but the flash of that era had an arch-nemesis; himself. his mentality shattered upon this revelation, and he decided if he was destined to be the flash's worst enemy, he would do his best to live up to that title. he knew he couldn't kill the flash without erasing himself, so he set out to make barry's life as much of a hell as he could, starting with the death of barry's mother. as far as how he's immune to death, that too is tied to the comics. thanks to time travel shenanigans, he ended up as a living paradox, basically exempt from the idea of cause and effect. (he also became capable of killing barry without harming himself because of this if i recall, but nothing comes of it). he doesn't die because even if he dies, he can just keep going from a different point in his own personal timeline. if they want to keep thawne around, you'd think they would just introduce this concept into the arrowverse at some point. heck, make it a version of thawne that's sorta kinda the comics thawne, with this living paradox ability, and still a very willing antagonist just because it means he gets to continue making life hell for a barry allen.
32:00 the smoke stuff originally came from the "Indiana Jones" Harrison Wells. After he died or whatever he left some of those smoke granades for Alegra. But those should have been gone by like 2 seasons ago so they must have find a way to replicate them I guess...
I'm sure someone did as well, but I could only find your comment after refreshing the comments twice. So in my book, you're the person to point ii out. Thanks haha
Nora *Works with Thawne without knowing his and Barry's history Barry: Fuck you!! I'm very angry with you. *Puts her in a metahuman cell. Also Barry: Hmm.. I want someone with super speed to fight Godspeed. Yes! Let's resurrect Thawne!!
1:28 The CW did the same "Tease killing off annoying love interest only to not do that" thing with Iris that they did with Felicity in Arrow all those times.
at 17:59 you ask why he needs all the space in order to time break the time thing, but the reality is he only had 5% of his speed, bc black lighting took it from him
the whole "joe angry eboard dying" my guy, joe was the only one to think that barrys dad was innocent, he literally wanted thawne dead as much as barry
A constant problem with those shows has always been their love for it's own bs and inability to let go. Back when Arrow was winning down and yet strange stuff kept happening like a wholeass half a season of a future timeline sub-plot with new characters, Oliver being rumored to become the specter, a strange backdoor pilot all while still having even more subplots than Flash someone on twitter dumped a rumor/theory. That due to licensing and or work culture writers get a bonus for every original character, original version of a character or a plot on the show. I couldn't find a confirmation. But it's the only thing that makes sense to me. That's why family trees are shuffled. Why certain characters are merged together into a third character, why ideas made originally out of convenience are still there 5 seasons later. For example, according to that theory Caitlin Snow the Killer Frost Is a dc character, but Caitlin the Star Labs scientist who is actually nice but is struggling with her own Jacqueline and Hyde is somehow enough of the original character to ether escape the need for licensing/royalty ir to just give you a bonus. You can see why stuff like Wells and Weelsabort would be reused so much if that theory is true. But again no confirmation.
Their origin isn’t too far off from comics Eobard Thawne though. He’s petty, and he wants to be the Flash but he’s destined to be the opposite. That realization breaks him and he then devotes his life to ruining Barry’s life. They definitely could’ve come up with a better scenario in the show though than Barry “stealing the spotlight”. I agree that it was a pretty lame origin story but it does highlight how much of a sociopath he is at least.
He legit killed his own wife, eobard was an obsessive psychopathic narcissist and that whole ordeal set him off to try to kill an eleven year old Barry Allen. I actually think it’s a good origin story
32:05 I think that blue smoke stuff came from Nash Wells in season 6, I remember he used it once or something. I might be wrong but I think that's where it came from. So at least the writers remembered this, I guess.
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The Kenobi video is next.
I know this might be an annoying question, and feel free to ignore it, but are you going to do a video on Superman & Lois Season 2?
@@injustice184 Nah, it doesn’t need one
@@SheevTalks lmao rip
@@SheevTalks Fair enough. This video on The Flash was great, as usual.
Looking forward to it!
The actress who plays Cecile must have some kind of dirt on the showrunners for her to be in the show this much
She used her empath powers to get some blackmail.
It's not like I really want to see more of most of the current cast given they are poor substitutes or have been irrelevant. But she's been overused since the near end of season 4 and this is why I have to agree 100%.
lol I agree
I fr hate her character, like her powers suck and I can’t stand it
i can feel that you’re upset about her being in the show
I have a theory that Cecil isn't a empath anymore but she wants to convince everyone that she still is so she usually points out the obvious to pretend she still has it
🤣🤣🤣
So she's just a real life empath
@@Reac2 *yes*
Not only does the fabric of time and space use earth’s time telling system, but it also uses central city’s time zone apparently
Omg. I was thinking the exact same thing. Like why not UTC?
Chad Tepig pfp
Is there any other time zone?
@@CallMeSaltyScorpion you're joking right ?
@@thebstever Yes. But I can understand why it would not look like I was.
22:27 I’m surprised you didn’t mention how in season two, Joe literally immediately shot at Harry three times because he thought he was Thawne. It’s a massive leap to think Joe doesn’t want Thawne dead lmaoo
For Joe it was ON SIGHT with thawne. It really annoyed me that Joe was the one to say they should rescue him DIRECTLY after thawne killing him was reversed and while thawne is actively gloating. Especially after the newbie "uwu hurting people is bad" peeps immediately got told to shut the fuck up cuz their opinion doesn't matter. It really was a good episode up until that moment.
Yeah the Joe from season 2 would def want that bastard to be 6 ft under the ground
"You're Thawne Harry"
- Joe Mama
Yeah like I was surprised Joe would even say that like it felt so random
Yes that is weird as he literally would hav killed harry wrent it for barry intervening and guaranteeing him it isnt thawne.
Hope your grandma recovers before flash season 9...
She'll need to heal faster than barry then, so that cw can fling her tf back down them stairs again.
I feel bad for his grandma more than anyone on the show at this point
At least it’s the final one.
cw ends with the flash s8
She is gonna need the Speed force to protect her.
Thawne's ability to negate being erased from existence stems from the comics where he is a living paradox basically making him immune to any timeline changes he or anyone causes to himself. Now the issue is, if you didn't know this then thawne existing past season one makes no form of sense and the way the show tries to handle it only makes it more confusing.
Exactly they could have just done what they did in the comics but no why do that😒
Im thinking that RF in the Show is immune to timeline changes due to him being the avatar of the negative speedforce
Actually no, the show did explain that the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes during the season 5 finale during the Nora and Thawne storyline. So Thawne existing makes sense.
@@shyanhayder7565 ok now explain how the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes.
@@indrainspace2601 Explain to me how the speed force does anything, plot
Every year, the CW surprises me with how little quality control they actually have.
Literally I think the writers get high and go 'lmao what if we shower the viewers what it's like to do shrooms'
Did someone say Quality Control?
@@jaypegasi3769 no no....Legends writers were on shrooms and actually worked out....Flash writers don't care and stopped caring about their characters
I think gotham knights is the lowest they can go.
If they can go lower. We're all doomed.
@@ninjanibba4259ok because legends is actually so bad it’s entertaining, and the actors are really clearly loving every minute of it.
They’re really having fun writing such random and yet still somehow connected plots even when it makes no sense, they aren’t taking it seriously at all and it shows.
Flash tries to be serious but fails.
Also legends straight up tells us the characters are the least important people rip could find, they aren’t special really, not smart not really anything other than disposable. So when we see them mess up it’s expected and doesn’t require much to believe.
It’s had it moments of being terrible but generally it’s enjoyably bad.
When flash said “time to flash” and started flashing everybody, it brought a tear to my eye
Had to do a double take on this one
Bro what 💀
Sounds like Erza Miller's Flash
Its flashin time
It's flashin time⚡⚡⚡
Fun fact: on the Brazilian dub, they forgot to edit out flash's Brazilian voice actor saying "look at this shit dialogue". Even the VAs are tired of this shit lmao
Clip?
wasn’t that a fan dub
@@rivalflash4569 it was
@@rivalflash4569 8t wasn't
Olha que diálogo merda kkkkkk
fun fact: the Mach 20 speed that barry needs to reach in season 7 would be around 20 thousand miles per hour. Barry moved faster than a bolt of lightening in season 1. Thunderbolts travel at around 270 thousand miles per hour. So much for becoming faster each season.
Exactly it’s crazy.
It's also important to note that that speed is only relative to earth. Earth itself is constantly hurtling through space at 67 thousand miles per hour. So how can anything going a third of the speed the earth is already moving, suddenly destroy the world?
There is an easy fix too, just gonna pull this out of my ass: "Barry needs to ACCELERATE (not be a certain speed) at a certain rate to travel through time, but in this specific instance he would have to accelerate so fast that his atomic structure would just disintegrate, which the speedforce (canonically) prevents. But to prevent him from disintegrating from accelerating SO fast, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The energy the speedforce needs to counteract the acceleration killing him, it takes by directly terminating atoms into pure energy. The speedforce can handle this at normal acceleration, because it uses the energy instantaneously, so there isn't any explosion or some such. But at that level the speedforce itself can't keep up and would produce more energy than it would use and the leftover energy would nuke the planet."
There you go writers, a freebie.
Mach 20 is 15,000… not even close to 20,000
9 months late lol but tje shows explanation id that barry is much slower cuz he had black lightning drain his speed. Make of that what u will
and yet Barry could still talk at normal speeds. It annoyed me soo much. If Barry moves that fast, time slows or even stops, his voice to everyone else should be speed up to near static. (like holding down play and fast forward on a walkman at the same time) Instead its just "hey guys, i just hit mach 18, anyone want anything from Big Belly Burger?"
So Thawn’s motivation is basically at the level of Mr. Nobody from Doom Patrol, except in that show it was actually treated as the joke that it was
I mean.... in the comics it’s very similar. He was stopping crimes he organized to make him look like a hero, flags stops him, he realizes he is supposed to become flash’s biggest rival, and then turns into reverse flash.
in the comic he is soo petty he erased his own brother from the timeline because he was more popular. Then he erased a girl he had a crush on because she wasnt interested. He pushed Baby Barry down the stairs, stole his toys, and a direct quote "It was me Barry. I was the monster under your bed. The Demon in the closet. I was every bad day you ever had. It was me, Barry. It was always me."
@@AzguardMike That Bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean the show is pretty accurate to the comics
@@AzguardMike To be fair, his brother was an asshole, but aside from that that’s absolutely correct.
The thing that makes the whole saving eobard thing make even less sense is that Joe in season 2 legit tried to murk Harry wells just by proxy of sharing his face. So him being the one to try and talk down Barry is werider.
😂😂😂 oh yeah he did i remember that yeah Joe was just a shadow and i was like what the hell i didn’t even know Joe got resurrected
And from all the main cast, he is easily the one who had killed more people before, _in the pilot he literally kills the villain for much less_
@@carlosleoni5321 i mean he was about to kill the flash
@@Hollowmello1285 And the Reverse Flash killer Nora and various other innocent people and plus tried to kill Flash, the cast, various heroes, and even Joe as well. Joe wanting to save Eobard makes no sense whatsoever
@@vgngolley341 true
Cecile sensing stuff got so old so quick, she sensed stuff that the viewers are clearly aware of but i guess it’s important that she states what the character was feeling even tho we’re smart enough to figure it out, someone could get shot and Cecile would say “i’m sensing your pain since you got shot” it was so poorly done, do children write this show?
Confrontations with villains have now become like Dora the Explorer saying "Swiper no swiping" with criminals instantly reforming when Barry tells them to stop.
Me: shit, they're onto us Johnny junior
cecile completely reminds me of that “i am an empath” meme SOO MUCH
Me, (cecile) an empath, sensing that you're sad when I walk in on you crying
@@Xehanort10 Nonsense, Swiper has the drive to continue doing it It's what he loves.
Thawne is like William Afton at first everybody found it interesting now they always come back in a more absurd way
Oh look, another series aimed at children while being designed for young adults
Except William Afton is essentially a fake identity anyone poses as.
"it was ME, henry. I killed the children and stuffed their bodies in the animatronics!"
Every time you show a clip from The Boys you remind us all of how that show is on a complete different level than The Flash.
My first thought was "ahh a good show"
@@jeggsonvohees2201 Everyone should know season 2 was weak but I wouldn't call it bad. Even The Boys at its worst is better than 95% of shows, ofc it has its problems.
Superhero shows have truly evolved since 2014
@@jeggsonvohees2201 ah yes because a bunch of miserable nitpickers dictate wether a show is good! of course!
@@jeggsonvohees2201 the uh... Video where he says he likes it and just has problems?
Edit. Oh. You mean that mauler BS. I thought you meant a respectable review LOL
Since they introduced the multiverse almost immediately in season 2, all they really had to do in later seasons was say "this Thawne that you erased is from your timeline, this here Thawne comes from the multiverse version that defeated and erased his Barry from existence; he found out about the multiverse, couldn't accept his parallel-self's failure and decided to conquer other worlds". Make it apparent slowly, drop hints in the subsequent seasons until you decide to drop the show, and in the finale of finales you send Barry to fix the Thawne-won version of the Earth.
Didnt even need that much complication.
We KNOW for a fact that timeline changes to your own doesnt affect other universes as Harry commented on it on S3 (If I remember correctly).
All they had to do was saying ''He IS your Reverse Flash, but this one was on a different universe during erasure and survived.''
He can still exist as a time remnant, he can still be the threat we know without any more bullshit.
Crisis?
Wasn't that basically Zoom's motivation?
Ironic considering Zoom is reverse flash's original name.
Well Eric Wallace, the guy who came onto the show as a writer for multiple episodes in S4, became an executive producer in S5, and became the prime and only showrunner in S6, did say that he wants young people to watch the show at DC Fandome for S7. I'm pretty certain by now that what he really meant was little children, maybe up to 12 year olds.
Never heard him say that thing with the children, but in retrospect it makes sense now
While watching s7 for the first time I had the thoughts of „hey this feels like its directed towards kids“
Guess I wasn’t so wrong with that thought
@@hollowcloplover9539 he didn't explicitly said "children", but I'm pretty sure he said he wanted "young people" who are new to comics to not feel alienated, to not feel like where's _my_ villain (as in where's the villain that I'm used to seeing in the comics), just the way he said it in the panel made it feel like he was referring to little children.
You can watch that panel in the first DC Fandome event ever (forgot the year but maybe 2020), I'm pretty sure the whole panel is available on UA-cam. It was around 20-30 minutes long. Just look for The Flash Season 7 DC Fandome Panel or something.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf I will gonna look it up right now, never heard of that fandome thing, thanks!
Honestly that would make sense. My 11 year old brother would watch this show and find no problem at all and rather think its cool. But still like it was good and it can still be like it was in the earlier seasons and kids can watch it too.
It seemed like the writers main goal since season 5 has been...."How little can we use Barry and focus on everyone else without pissing off the audience?"
His motivation in the reveal isn't even accurate. In the comics he used to idolize Barry and went back in time to meet his idol after doing a bunch of very illegal shit to get his powers. After going through all of these loops to make it happen, he learns that he becomes his arch nemesis and it drives him insane. But his reason for not killing Barry and killing his mother instead was because he knows that if he does HE WON'T FUCKING EXIST. That's why he goes out of his way to ruin Barry's life, because he felt cheated by his hero and time itself. This whole, "I want to be faster so I can save more people," thing is original to the show and stupid. I don't know how/why they messed up such an easy motivation for the sake of being different from the comics
@film fan that's still a stupid ass motivation. You're mad because an established hero stole your thunder as you are a literal nobody. So your response is to kill the mans mother? That's dumb asf
I mean, this is old news, season 2 Thawne told this if I recall correctly, so they even retconned Thawne's origin to a worse one.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 you're right. I remember that scene. It was back when they remembered that he wasn't supposed to look like Wells. So not only did they ignore the comics, they ignored their own lore lmfao 🤣
@@Vegitodraws just came back from rewatching the scene, Matt goes so hard as Thawne, man. And exactly, Eric Wallace really just said "fuck the previous seasons, we'll conveniently pick and choose flashbacks and force feed them to the audience so our bs storylines are somewhat explained"
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Wallace only cares about rubbing one out to Iris and Cecile.
I actually love how Thawne keeps becoming pettier and pettier as the show goes on. He isn't the cold and calculated mastermind that he desperately wants people to think he is.
@film fan Yes that's why I said he became pettier as the show went on. This season is downright the pettiest he has ever been.
He’s terrifying on the surface level he’s read absolutely every possibility and timeline essentially making him a hive mind of multiple clones around time with the same goal however his way of being a hive mind is through being a sociopath and never learning anything outside of furthering his goals leaving him exactly the same in every copy
but he is the cold calculated mastermind , how do you think the it was me barry meme got famous ,cause he is that way, plus yeah he is petty .
@@akwilson1676 but that's what make him less and less intimidating to the point where he couldn't even be considered the nemesis he once was (and he didn't tried to be a mastermind, he actually was in the first season)
he was stupid asf from the pilot episode lmao
Am I the only one who thinks that Eddie should've just shot the reverse flash while his back was turned. If it worked on Barry, Savitar and zoom then I'm sure it would've worked on the reverse flash but I guess they had to get rid of Eddie somehow for Barry and Iris to get together.
Bullets don’t exactly work well on speedsters when they know its coming
@@KuroAceVT He didn't see it coming. He was too busy talking
@@ProfitPathwways speed react is a thing
@@KuroAceVT Zoom was shot and Barry was stabbed by a manual weapon. It's a thing when it's convenient in the moment.
@@ProfitPathwways Wasn't Savitar literally shot in the back by Iris?
This is really just another example of them NOT knowing how to handle Flash's powers. Super speed is majorly overpowered.
We literally see Barry get shot in the back of the neck, and WHILE the bullet is still in the process of piercing his skin, he just reaches behind himself and grabs it, making the bullet totally useless.
So that SHOULD establish that every speedster at LEAST as fast as Barry was at that time (which is EVERY speedster after that moment cause otherwise they'd just be a non-threat) is immune to bullets, cause they can just grab them before they break their skin even if shot in a sneak attack.
However that means they would need to actually work to resolve conflicts. So they just ignore it when convenient. Like EVERY time Barry fights fucking Snart.
You know what could’ve been an interesting origin story for how Thawne grew to hate Barry? Have Thawne explain that he wanted to be a speedster because he saw the way The Flash did things as flawed. The Flash didn’t kill and he thought that if he was a speedster he could show everyone how easier things would be if the criminals who committed crimes were simply removed from society. However once he got his speed and started saving the day his way, people inherently knew that it was wrong for one man to be judge jury and executioner. However instead of changing his mind, he instead decided that people not liking his methods must only be because The Flash is around doing things differently. So in this case his hatred for The Flash is fueled by his own ideals and not petty jealousy. Or maybe that would suck just as much idk I’m not a screenwriter.
Wow 💯
@@filiparican1863 ah. I’m guessing the execution is still better in the comics though, right?
@@Xaveze it is. But damn Thawnes petty af.
He once pushed kid Barry down some stairs, and made him lose his homework, and one time left Barry's door open so Barry's dog could runaway
@@justifano7046 This has the same energy as Lex Luthor stealing 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible
Actually...that does sound a lot better but Thawne would sound a lot more like Godspeed from the comics instead. I like your idea better though. Or they could make it that once Thawne got his speed, he accidently travels back in time and figure out he becomes The Flash's greatest enemy and it drives him mad causing him to become the Reverse Flash.
The thawne paradox you talk about at the start would've been so easy for the writers to fix. They introduce the multiverse in flash season 2, have the legends of tomorrow thawne come from earth 2, get stranded, and then decide to go fuck with the legends. That way the events of season 1 still happen.
The legends thawne I believe was first described in his legends season as being the flash s1 thawne who is trying to outrun the paradox and avoid black flash. That's why his whole goal is to rewrite destiny so it wouldn't be a paradox. I'm pretty sure him being from flashpoint is a s8 thing but I could be misremembering things
@@tinygreencreature5167 Outrunning the paradox is dumb too, we saw him die in flash s1, he already failed to outrun it, why has thawne come back again?
@@moth5799 ikr he literally disintegrate. I THINK the reasoning is that he's a time remnant and is mostly trying to outrun black flash who knows he shouldn't exist. The legends even ends that season going "fuck it if he's using time remnants and paradoxes then we will too" and just go back to an earlier battle to help themselves. All of them get killed in the process, leaving the earlier versions alive and well with the day saved for them essentially. It's a paradox and acknowledged as such, but I honestly really like that as a counter to RF's entire existence as a paradox
@@moth5799 Because he was the Thawne from Flashpoint not season 1.
@@tinygreencreature5167 that's it. Season 1 Thawne got Marty McFly'd, but Season 2 Thawne is basically protected by the Negative Speedforce and an Avengers Endgame scenario, then Flashpoint Thawne is one time remanent that is a paradox and as explained by Zoom, those are damned, in Thawne's case, he's directly being hunted by Hunter Zolomon as Black Flash.
But yet again, as there are a lot of Eobard Wells' and just Eobard's that are protected by either the Speedforce or nexus/fixed points in time, that one time remanent from Crisis on Earth-X survived somehow or got created as soon as Black Flash died.
Being that version the one we saw pretty much until he died now in season 8 (although he died pretty much three different times before this one). Let's hope they actually get their shit together and they start using younger Thawne again, the true Thawne played by Matt Letscher.
The thing about the Flash that makes me the most frustrated is the wasted potential with every story. Every season Eric Wallace has directed I've only loved because of the concepts. (The death of the speed force, the Godspeed war, the introduction of three new forces, etc.) Shit like that sounds so fun on paper and yet the Flash finds a way to do the lamest versions of every story it presents each time. It doesn't help that Eric Wallace doesn't look at any online Flash stuff. He lives in a bubble that ultimately makes any criticisms the fans have about the show null and void.
I'm surprised you didn't say much about Caitlin resurrecting Frost, which really annoyed me. The plot just fully character assassinates Caitlin in numerous ways that seriously makes Dr. Strange look like the smartest character alive in No Way Home. I mean, the premise is her bringing back someone, which was a big mistake she should've learned from Deathstorm. What's worse she even tries to tempt Barry into bringing back his parents, which just sounds like what a villain says. People seem to hate on Scarlet Witch being a villain in MOM. But her turn at least had a believable foundation and set up with the Darkhold. The problem is her being a villain was underwhelming since it's right after her development in Wandavision. Say what you will, but her turn was miles better than whatever Caitlin just did this season.
Bro, when you're talking details about one show, doesn't mean you can give spoilers about any other movie/show that you need to bring up for your argument. Come on man, I haven't seen MOM! Should have given a spoiler warning.
@@ayush4731 tbf, mom has been in theaters already and on disney plus for almost a month now
@@ayush4731 Oh crud. I’m so sorry, pal. I assumed it was okay now that movie is two months old, but I guess I got carried away.
@@jaxxpool9630 It's alright man, I guess I will just pretend that I didn't read anything.
@JakeDJY I'm not telling others to not give spoilers, just saying that they could've given a spoiler warning.
Flash, Season 8 was definitely one of the Flash seasons of all time
Ryan's speech about love being just a chemical thing feels weird. This *is* Ryan Choi, Paragon of Humanity, who had a wife and daughter during Crisis, right?
I think in that timeline he doesn't have a daughter or wife but being a dick cause of it was still weird.
I'm gonna assume you didn't watch season 8.
The Ryan Choi we see during season 8 is not the same one from Crisis. The alterations to the timeline affected Ryan as well. In Reverse Flashpoint he never had a wife or kids.
@@SWTobito0702
Right, I forgot to account for that, but it still felt weird while I was watching season 8
"Love's just a chemical" sounds like what a pretentious incel would say.
@@SWTobito0702 I thought he went back to his wife and kid at the end of crisis because they were restored?
I'm definitely one of those "thanks for saving me from wanting to watch this" fans. Flash is one of my alltime favorite characters. Always tied with Green Lantern for my favorite super hero. I will say despite the shows downfalls I do think Grant Gustin has done a hell of a job wearing the many suits, not looking too goofy, and capturing the vibe I get from Barry Allen. I'm weird and wish they made him go blonde but that's just a style thing. Great video as always man
Seasons can start strong easy. The real test of each season comes in the second half. They can either fail to keep the threat from the start of the season going strong enough to be interesting in the second count or fail to introduce a secondary threat to wrap up the season to match the threat that took place in the first half of the season.
So I spent about an hour last night trying to think of a way to make reverse flashpoint work. I still haven’t done it, but I’ll come back to you if I figure out a way because I love the idea in concept it just requires really really good execution that I don’t think CW was ever capable of
I don't even watch the show anymore, I just watch videos like this which talk and rip into the show because it's infinitely more enjoyable. (Great vid btw keep it up)
I’m not sure if he already said this in the video but it feels infuriating they couldn’t use the original face instead of Tom Cavanaugh. This became noticeable in the Earth-X crossover ongoing.
In Earth X he said he liked to use the face.
Matt Lescher is an amazing and underrated actor they definitely should’ve used him more
I seriously laughed out loud at joe yelling at Barry and iris about letting thawne die
25:26 And you know what? That’s pretty much exactly how he’s used in the comics. The writers had the blueprint right in front of them and just went “nah I don’t really feel like it!” ARGH!!! 25:46 And this would have been SO cool! Smh
We could’ve had “Every second is a gift”.
I love how stiff the suits are. It made me laugh for so long seeing the reverse flash waddle around because, how tf can they run so fast in a suit that is about as flexible as a 2x4
LMAO I'm imagining them running like penguins 😂😂
In case anyone is wondering, there is a Marvel Universe equivalent to this kind of badly written villain. He's an X-Men enemy named Stryfe. He's also come back to life multiple times after being killed and his motivation is just as silly. He hate Cable (his brother) and his father Cyclops for loving Cable more than him.
Sheev, you should do a video showing why Eobard on the show is a bad villain using the The Joker in The Dark Knight as a comparison.
Isn’t stryfe just cable but from another universe??
@@eghoseisiramen1892 Stryfe is a clone of Cable created when Cable was infected with the technovirus because they were scared he wouldn't survive.
For the record Reverse Flash is a much better villain in the comics
I would argue that Tom Cavanaugh’s Reverse-Flash in S1 (and the little bit we got in S2) is up there with Vincent D’Onofrio’s Kingpin in DD. However, making Harrison Wells an actual person instead of just an alias just to keep Cavanaugh in the show has definitely soured the character for me.
@@soberchimera61 It's actually kind of funny that this show has gone in reverse of what typically happens in TV shows.
Normally the first season of a show is just ok because the actors and writers are still sort of figuring it all out and then it normally hits is highs in the middle like Star Trek: TNG or DS9 for example. But this show peaked in it's first season. it's middle seasons are hot garbage to say the least so Thawne must've been working some meta magic to effect the show he's in overall. lol
I was actually wheezing after reading this video's title when it popped up in my recommended.
I JUST WATCHED THE PREVIOUS EPISODE OF THIS YESTERDAY! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
Yo the face rip was straight out of the comics and i love that they even attempted it.
i actually liked this season, it was pretty good
I didn't watch season 8 after *Armageddon* , but I decided to watch the last 3 episodes since I'm a RF simp, and they brought his 2 actors back, and I wanted to see the Diggle scene, and I skipped all the scenes about the losers who replaced Cisco and Catelin... and the moment Thawne ripped his face off was one of the best parts of those last 3 episodes.
His negative costume could have been good too, had they spend more efforts on the mask, and made it more comfy so it didn't look like RF was constipated every time he took a step.
I so wish that this show had been somehow finished after season 3, have it end the same way with Barry deciding "screw it I'm going full flashpoint" and end it... and there so we would have fond memories of it.
Same for *Arrow* , with a few minor tweaks it could have ended after season 5, which would have tied up his 5 years marooned nicely.
Maybe have the secondary characters of both shows get some satisfying endings in *Legends of Tomorrow* , like it did for John Constantine after his solo show got unjustly cancelled after 1 cool season?
Maybe have Diggle become a Green Lantern in Legends, Black Siren redeem herself in it too (her redemption arc was one of the things I enjoyed in later season of *Arrow* ), and...
Oh well, it does not do well to dwell on paths not taken, or something.
I just hope that in the future, DC fans will not be discouraged to watch the first 2 (or even 3 if they really like what they've seen so far) seasons of The Flash, just because it turned to shit right after.
It doesn't mean it's good
@@randallflagg3700 the negative costume was like that mainly to throw shade towards Ezra Miller
@@KuroAceVT - That costume looks nothing like the one Ezra Miller is wearing... and why would they "throw shade" at him after they asked Ezra to take part in *Crisis on Infinite Earths* ?
Every time I heard the term "Level Up", or Cecile said "feel" or "sense" this season I wanted to burn down a building with myself inside it
why didn’t they just go the comic route where Thawne is a living paradox and thats why he cant die no matter what
Joe even tried to kill earth 2 Harry the second he saw him by shooting him, thinking he was Eobard in season 2, so I don’t see why they’d change him like that
"The fact that season 1 shouldn't of been POSSIBLE is kinda a hilarious way to start off your story"
IT IS LOL
@zqninja3334 - It's "shouldn't've" (should-not-have), not "shouldn't of."
I stopped watching Flash quite a while ago, but this reveal of motivation makes even less sense seeing as Matt's Eobard already revealed his motivation in the season 2 episode. It's basically him telling Flash that he went back in time to meet his idol only to learn that he is destined to be his Reverse. Season 8 can only be explained as Eobard being crazy or literally a different person entirely. Do keep in mind that Flash season 2 Matt's Eobard is the youngest we've ever seen thus being before the stupid Matt/Tom split.
Me an empath when seeing some kid crying while holding the cold dead body of his parents in his arms: I can feel that you are sad
When you’ve been waiting all year for this.
The whole 'how does Thawne exist after season 1' to me could have had a simple explanation in season 2 that I initially thought they were setting up, but they never followed through with.
As you mentioned had Thawne never existed season 1 and all of the events prior to it such as the death of Barry's mother would never have happened, which is why him being erased caused the whole interdimensional rift/black hole/whatever at the end of season 1, but in the season 2 premiere they stop it from destroying their universe.
By stopping it and saving their universe they just needed to say the Reverse Flash clearly isn't erased anymore, they all still remember him, Barry's mother was still murdered by him, so just have someone say something like 'Eddie killing himself would have erased Thawne and thus our universe, but because we stopped our universe from being erased we therefore stopped Thawne from being erased'.
That's a pretty clear cut explanation that makes sense, and seeing as the Thawne we meet in season 2 is an earlier version of him just say that Eddie's actions now resulted in Thawne dying rather than being erased. The Thawne we saw in season 1 was clearly towards the end of his rivalry with Barry, he said they've been enemies for years, so just have every version we see afterwards be his younger self who isn't concerned with getting back home and is focused solely on ruining Barry's life, so by the end of the show we've caught up to the character we see in season 1.
The whole thing with Reverse Flash constantly dying and coming back was addressed in the Rebirth comics in a hilarious way after his skeleton is found at the start of Doomsday Clock. His skeletal remains are in a morgue, then a narration basically says 'he's a living paradox so he'll always come back' as his body regrows and comes back to life. It's so lazy but I also kind of appreciate that writer saying 'fuck it, he'll always come back who cares why or how'.
Either way its a shame because if they kept up the quality of the first season and used him more sparingly, Thawne could have and should have been terrifying in every appearance he was in much like Homelander in the Boys, just a completely unhinged and all powerful monster.
Actually yeah this would've been perfect for Flash and the general tone of the show.
You want to do the right thing, but at what cost?
Erasing RF will not only make your lives better, but countless others. On the other hand, it also means the complete destruction of your existence.
Show also could use this as a stepping stone to excuse why Barry hates changing the timeline. Because each time he does it, EVERYTHING he cares for is simply erased out of existence and only he remains since he was in between universes.
This also would make his eventual creation of Flashpoint much more heavier because he *knew* the consequenses of possible changes and did it anyways.
It also makes Savitar much more ruthless Barry who doesnt give a shit.
It ALSO makes Crisis on Infinite Earth's storyline better by extension since Barry gets a chance to redeem himself.
Show could have been so much better if it didnt back down from the risks it dared to take every 2 minutes.
yeiy 11 months late...
that still doesnt make sense cus well that eddie isn't reverse flash grand-grand-grand grandfather... they are straight up in a different timeline where barry mother dies, so that eddie isn't related to that flash reverse... so he shouldn't be erreased out of existence cus eddie soduko himself, but rather cus thawne mcffly himself out of existence by change the timeline to our curren't timelines...
that is why the "he is a living paradox" reason works so well, it not just the writer going fuck it, by that point in time, barry and other speedster have fuck around with the timeline so many times, but not as much as thawn himself... at that point he as being the castalist of so many events and died in so many different times, that he doesn't longer has a past or future, he just exist. he became a constant of the universe, he exist cus he has to exist simple as that, the universe doesn't puffed out of it cus he suppose to be there.
so that is really the only explanation of why thawn always come back, it cus he is just a universal constant
It really is a shame. Thawne deserves so much better than what the writers have made him into. I honestly just feel bad for him, going from one of the most amazing villains in the arrowverse, to being as derpy as the rest of the flash nowadays 😔
What a shame to see that this season made Thawne a complete joke he gets dumbed down, his motivation sucks, he gets petty for a stupid reason just, because "the Flash steal his spotlight". His costume looks stupid and made him less threaten and dangerous that he is in season 1.
@@unstrungbeauty7208 the bright yellow really takes away his menace
Yup...(sigh)
@@unstrungbeauty7208 Agreed
@@carlosleoni5321 Not really. What really took away his menace was the fact that his suit looks like an over priced PJ
they also took all the cool out of the Reverse Flash suit that they came up with in the first season-
God damnit I love these. “Trash Flash Hour” is like Christmas came early.
Still cant believe they named the main villain Leopard Thong.
Can i just say that if Cecile's dialogue pattern changed from:
"I'm sensing a whole lot of grief from you."
to something like:
*eyes narrow as she walks closer* "... you're grieving."
Then I could forgive it far more
watching this as someone who doesn't watch The Flash, just feels like an acid trip
I watched the entire show just about still feels like an acid trip 😎
Man, people who say flash s8 is up their with first season is crazy, ain’t no way that they weren’t half asleep and watching a earlier season and thought it was season 8 or it was right before they went to bed or early in the morning
Villain of the week: "I am going to blow up central city"
Cecile: **Empath sense** "This guy does not have good intentions"
This show is still on the air? I clocked out at season 4 and I was being patient. Kind of sad this show still brings in viewers. At what point do people stop? I’m gonna guess this show will end at season 10
It actually stops next season
@@scourgeofyoutube9448 close enough 😂😅
I stopped after season 5 and 6 is a dumpster fire, the cgi is bad and there’s too many characters to the point flash doesn’t feel like the main guy anymore
Man, I’ll say you were patient! I stopped halfway through season 2 lol
@@Devon.with.an.i very true
Eobard Thawn is in the comics a time paradoxon. No matter how often you kill him or erase him. He will always come back. I mean his Origin is fucking paradox to begin with. He travels back in time to create the Flash, which he is the biggest fan in his timeline. Like how does it even makes sense?
This dude has really opened eyes and made me realize things that I thought about but ignored. Well it still had some good things about it. Actually what I call a great season is that it's worth re watching such as S1 S2 and and a bit of S3
6:27 what ther writers wanted to say was "thawne was in the future but came to this time period before anything else" which still doesn't make sense since if he got erased from existence he wouldn't be born to get speed and come to that time period
"The grace of a semi-truck barreling through a minefield" 🤣
Okay, I completely forgot how nonsensical the "no kill, save everyone" is in The Flash series. Recently, I finished this amazing Disney animated show called The Owl House where, spoilers:
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I mean it, you should watch the show, I'm about to spoil the ending, and it's a good show, so read at your own risk.
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Luz, the goody two-shoes hero, watches Philip, the unwavering genocidal fascist villain, FKING MELT under BOILING RAIN she may or may not have magically brought up herself, followed by other main characters TRAMPLING HIM TO DEATH for good measure. There is no "you gotta save everyone, even the worst, or you're no better than them". In fact, the last season makes a point of completely destroying the "just as bad" trope. This was a fking breath of fresh air, and now watching this video reminded me of why. Especially the moment with Joe, holy sh!t
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see the series end with Barry waking up from a 10 season nightmare coma lol
I barked out laughter when I heard the phrase "reverse flashpoint"
People who literally said that this season was a return to form have no idea what they were talking about. Seasons 1-3(Yes, 3 included, despite that season’s issues)actually made you care about what was happening with the cast as well as the overall events and the stakes that were in place. Seasons afterwards with I guess the exception of season 4(and the first half of season 6 with the Bloodwork arc), I don’t give a shit anymore. I’ve watched season 7 and 8 of this series with the mindset of “I do not care anymore. This show means almost nothing to me like it used to”. And I still feel like that. Because this show’s writing, storytelling, character drama, and just overall atmosphere doesn’t feel the same anymore. I don’t get excited for this show. I just turn it on to see how this shit will eventually end. I hope season 9 is this show’s last.
Those types of fanboys and fangirls do that every time a show that's going or has gone bad has one episode or season they like. Go OMG "insert show name here" IS BACK."
Not only is having someone whose power is "empathy" a complete writing cop-out because you don't have to consider how to show and demonstrate a character's inner turmoil when you can just have a character say "yo, this dude is feeling SAD!", but Cecile's "actress" has the acting capabilities of spilled milk that was left out in the sun for a week. The woman cannot emote to save her life. She has no way to put the right inflection into her voice, and we're supposed to just accept that she's not a plot device?
Danielle Nicolet must have some massive blackmail material to have this role, or she somehow gives the industries best sloppy toppy.
IMO, the reason season 1 is so good, is the fact that the flash only just having powers justifies situations where he doesn’t necessarily do the smart thing, and the jokes are still pretty good to me, but after that first season I can’t justify anything else the flash does, since he should have no excuses to not instantly win against non speedsters.
24:55 I have only watch the first 7 seasons and I remeber he noted that so many time didn't we already know that though.
The acknowledgment of that having to go at Mach 20 will destroy the whole world also ignores the Speed Force Aura that all Speed Force users have that protects them and the environment around them when they are running at high speeds.
Was that introduced in the show aswell or is it just a comic thing though?
I’ve never read the comics but watched the show multiple times, and i just can’t compare these two because the show is obviously a ADAPTION of the comics which means it is not a 1 to 1 copy of everything in the comics
@@hollowcloplover9539 it’s never introduced in the show but considering the fact that Barry’s speeds have never once had adverse affects towards himself and his environment it must exist when you take into account that the Speed Force exists in the show which is the source of his powers and in the comics it is said that the speed force aura is a thing so in just going to blame it on negligent writing.
@@khalidahmed8402 I totally agree with u
if everything u told correct, yeah it’s just silly writing
@@khalidahmed8402 Barry has caused windows to shatter when he ran previously in the shows, assuming the aura doesn't exist, many people muse have gotten hurt.
I've never disliked, unsubscribed, and reported quicker! Great video man!
Lmao it’s a shit show cry about it.
"Somehow... thawne returned"
I have stumbled upon this video while i am doing housework. I have never seen The Flash and only know Grant Gustin from Glee. Seeing him as a middle aged man is killing me.
Savitar doesn’t even make sense because for savitar to exist they had to commit like 8 character suicides. The reason savitar exists it because apparently he was a remnant a “disposable hero” he says and team flash rejecting him because he wasn’t the ‘real Barry’ while in an earlier season in a climax of a fight a remnant sacrifice’s itself and they clearly cared about it. So the creation of savitar is bull crap
No, the reason savitar exists is the magic of horrible convoluted writing
@@KuroAceVT I was partly talking about the writing of the story and that’s more or less what I was saying
@@l1mel1ght69 i know. Same issue
Dude, there is a fan series called “reverse flash origins” that is EXACTLY what you described
The irony of the fact that literally Armageddon and the negative forces could've all be prevented if barry had caught him in season 7. But no barry let him go and said "that's future us' problem"
Barry letting Reverse Flash escape was worst then when Gohan got overconfident against Cell and Majin Buu
The time travel logic in armageddon feels like someone in the writing team watched the mcu
Used it's time travel logic but forgot that's not how time travel works on the flash
I know I'm late, but I just want to point out that there is a LEGO DC direct-to-DVD animated movie where Reverse Flashpoint happens, albeit in a much more kid-friendly manner, & it still makes more sense & is more entertaining than season 8.
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I always found his plan stupid
Because if he kills kid barry he never becomes the flash meaning eobard never becomes the reverse flash meaning he never travels back in time to kill barry
And him deciding to kill Barry's mom so he wouldn't becomes the flash doesn't make any sense because him losing his mom doesn't mean he never gets his powers and just gives him a motivation to become a hero
In the comics his motivation makes a lot more sense
See he knows he can't kill barry so he fucks with his life like pushing him down some stairs erasing his friends so he's more lonely a lot of other shit and of course killing his mom
Not in the timeline they were in. In Reverse Flashpoint Barry never became the Flash but Thawne did, in an attempt to steal Barry's life for himself. As a cherry on top and because he didn't need Barry anymore to exist in this altered timeline, he did what he always wanted to do and killed Barry.
@Tub if he is immune to timeline change's can't he , you know? Kill the flash ?
@@Burlapyui Hey uh… WHAT DO YOU THINK HES TRIED TO DO FOR THE WHOLE FKN SERIES?!
@@KuroAceVT dude, I wrote the comment 5 months ago, I don't remember what I was thinking, anyway I think I said that because if he's immune to time line changes , then why doesn't he constantly try to go back in time and kill flash as kid , of you know what I mean
@@Burlapyui he’s tried that. MULTIPLE TIMES
In the brazillian dub in some season, you can hear one of the people in the studio saying "look this shitty dialogue"
So many flashbacks! So glad someone acknowledged it, like every episode had a flashback to previous seasons or even episodes of that same season
Im sure you've gotten this comment before about Thawne's origin story. It's lame but it's comic accurate although a bit simplified. In the future he was a fan, wanted to be like him, got the powers, created dangerous situation to save people, barry stopped him and he's "rehabilitated" in prison, tries to become barry's sidekick, makes his costume yellow cause "all the sidekicks wear yellow", goes back and in time and sees Wally West in a yellow costume, gets pissed cause he realises he's not special, the rest is history. Although I like your idea for the shows origin of Thawne
Actually the “no kill rule” is something that’s a thing all the way back in season 1. I don’t remember an exact example I can give you from S1 of the Flash, but in the crossover with Arrow (Brave and the Bold), they make it evident that he has a “no kill rule”
It's interesting to me how you mention Barry and Thawne having a teacher/student relationship so Thawne could potentially become a good person, only for that to fail in the end. Cuz the Batman Telltale series kinda did that plot with Batman and Joker instead. And yeah, that could've been good.
i think part of the fandom reason for loving thawne so much is love for other versions of the character being able to bleed into the arrowverse version thanks to his time travel origin.
how they managed to make his backstory lamer than even the comics is impressive. the comic backstory is, to summarize: thawne is from the distant future where the flash is a world famous hero in history. he worked at the flash museum and was the biggest fanboy the flash ever had. he fanboyed so hard he managed to figure out the flash's real identity through historical documents, and was as such able to figure out how he got his speed and replicate the procedure. the flash also ended up in the future at one point and gave him some hero advice, which slived in his head rent-free. he immediately made a suit resembling the kid flashes of the past and tried to be a hero, and went back in time to show off how good of a hero he's being, only to learn that not only was there already a kid flash in that era, not only did that kid flash get the same advice he once did in front of him, but the flash of that era had an arch-nemesis; himself. his mentality shattered upon this revelation, and he decided if he was destined to be the flash's worst enemy, he would do his best to live up to that title. he knew he couldn't kill the flash without erasing himself, so he set out to make barry's life as much of a hell as he could, starting with the death of barry's mother.
as far as how he's immune to death, that too is tied to the comics. thanks to time travel shenanigans, he ended up as a living paradox, basically exempt from the idea of cause and effect. (he also became capable of killing barry without harming himself because of this if i recall, but nothing comes of it). he doesn't die because even if he dies, he can just keep going from a different point in his own personal timeline.
if they want to keep thawne around, you'd think they would just introduce this concept into the arrowverse at some point. heck, make it a version of thawne that's sorta kinda the comics thawne, with this living paradox ability, and still a very willing antagonist just because it means he gets to continue making life hell for a barry allen.
2:00 Fun fact: this is a form of public execution called "drawing and quartering."
0:07 I have not been caught up to this show so I'm questioning why he'd run mach 15 or something at a wall?
Because that's a smart thing to do
@@KeithDodd-zj3yx the cw way
32:00 the smoke stuff originally came from the "Indiana Jones" Harrison Wells. After he died or whatever he left some of those smoke granades for Alegra. But those should have been gone by like 2 seasons ago so they must have find a way to replicate them I guess...
I'm sure someone has already mentioned it by now but the blue smoke thing is leftover from Season 6's Nash Wells, he gifted the tech to Allegra.
I'm sure someone did as well, but I could only find your comment after refreshing the comments twice. So in my book, you're the person to point ii out. Thanks haha
Nora *Works with Thawne without knowing his and Barry's history
Barry: Fuck you!! I'm very angry with you. *Puts her in a metahuman cell.
Also Barry: Hmm.. I want someone with super speed to fight Godspeed. Yes! Let's resurrect Thawne!!
1:28 The CW did the same "Tease killing off annoying love interest only to not do that" thing with Iris that they did with Felicity in Arrow all those times.
22:41 lets not forget that in season 2 when earth 2 wells appears and Joe sees him, pulls a gun on him and shoots without a single word :DDD
At this point The Flash TV-Show overused Eobard Thawne as a major villain as much as Lucifer from Supernatural. And that is terrible!
at 17:59 you ask why he needs all the space in order to time break the time thing, but the reality is he only had 5% of his speed, bc black lighting took it from him
the whole "joe angry eboard dying"
my guy, joe was the only one to think that barrys dad was innocent, he literally wanted thawne dead as much as barry
Plus, in season two when he sees Harry, he instantly shoots at him
@@Meerkitty also they already explained thawnes backstory, he wanted to be flash so he wanted flash to not exist, so
Yeah that why he shot at harry on sight.
He may want Thawne dead but he still knows it’s morally in the wrong to just let a man die
@@KuroAceVT the same man he wanted imprisoned for life, or the same man he shot(shot Harry wells for thinking he was thawne)
A constant problem with those shows has always been their love for it's own bs and inability to let go. Back when Arrow was winning down and yet strange stuff kept happening like a wholeass half a season of a future timeline sub-plot with new characters, Oliver being rumored to become the specter, a strange backdoor pilot all while still having even more subplots than Flash someone on twitter dumped a rumor/theory. That due to licensing and or work culture writers get a bonus for every original character, original version of a character or a plot on the show. I couldn't find a confirmation. But it's the only thing that makes sense to me. That's why family trees are shuffled. Why certain characters are merged together into a third character, why ideas made originally out of convenience are still there 5 seasons later. For example, according to that theory Caitlin Snow the Killer Frost Is a dc character, but Caitlin the Star Labs scientist who is actually nice but is struggling with her own Jacqueline and Hyde is somehow enough of the original character to ether escape the need for licensing/royalty ir to just give you a bonus. You can see why stuff like Wells and Weelsabort would be reused so much if that theory is true. But again no confirmation.
Their origin isn’t too far off from comics Eobard Thawne though. He’s petty, and he wants to be the Flash but he’s destined to be the opposite. That realization breaks him and he then devotes his life to ruining Barry’s life. They definitely could’ve come up with a better scenario in the show though than Barry “stealing the spotlight”. I agree that it was a pretty lame origin story but it does highlight how much of a sociopath he is at least.
He legit killed his own wife, eobard was an obsessive psychopathic narcissist and that whole ordeal set him off to try to kill an eleven year old Barry Allen. I actually think it’s a good origin story
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I think that blue smoke stuff came from Nash Wells in season 6, I remember he used it once or something. I might be wrong but I think that's where it came from. So at least the writers remembered this, I guess.
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The blue stuff is the teleporter balls Nash Wells had that he gave to allegra. (Nash used them a lot in season 6)
You describing the show and me trying to unravel wtf is going on is causing me to have some sort of internal brain collapse.
i don't work so good.