History of the Bay: 2pac (Marin City, Oakland, Digital Underground, Ray Luv, Richie Rich, E-40)
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2022
- A detailed breakdown of how 2pac moved from New York City and Baltimore to the Bay Area and how the region shaped his sound, identity, and friendships with local rappers and producers.
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No matter who says what, Pac is from Oakland, he was born on the east coast but he mastered his craft in Oakland he became a man in Oakland that's just who he is his from northern cali, that's that 💯 agreed
Lol bruh he’s from nyc. U can say Oakland his 2nd home. But he not from Oakland
@@KCFlightClub10 He never repped New York, it was always The Bay (Marin City/Oakland). He said its where he got the game from and that he will always rep Oakland no matter where he was at.
@@BatuSmoka808 he did rep New York listen to old school.. at the end of the day 2pac was a New Yorker that fell in love with LA! Towards the end he wasn’t reppin Oakland so what does it matter
@@KCFlightClub10 Except you're wrong and he says himself that even though he lives in LA that he will always rep Oakland. He said it himself bro, you can't argue that sorry.
@@BatuSmoka808 yall Oakland niggas love to claim him so bad. Ik what he said in that black watch interview. Doesn’t negate where he’s from bruh which is New York City
He said it himself that the Bay is his home
Great video homie. Love it. Pac is a Bay Area artist, str8 fact. We always forget to mention that his step brother, who went by the name of Mocedes before changing it to Mopreme was featured on the classic track by Tony! Toni! Toné!, Feels Good. Nobody ever mentions that and they're from Oakland. Just a fun fact for everyone.
Fun fact
Yup. Straight facts
Real ones know about pac in Oakland.
I don't think that's him bro I really don't think that's him
@@jefewhite1700 it is him, his original stage name is Mocedes. Just do a little research. I didn’t believe it at first either
Marin City, Tamalpias High school. North Bay. Represent! 415
Pac said in an interview he rep Oakland because its where he learned the game from. On the set of California love paraphrasing what he said he said he didnt like east coast cast dissing California, and cali is his home i love California etc.pac and the dog pound did a diss song called ny 187 where he said fuck new york
Exactly he said that out his own mouth so anybody else opinion doesn't matter
It’s not where you’re from it’s where you at. 2-Pac may be born in NY but made his career in The Bay.
2pacalypse. Bay Area!
California! Shout out to LA!
On point!! There’s not a interview where Pac doesn’t mention the BAY … He had love for the bay
Real Tupac fans know Tupac is a Bay area rapper and a Bay area dude the Bay area is the last place Tupac went to school at Tupac always rep the bay even on his album All eyez on me when he had Richie Rich be legit E-40 the whole nine on his album and dru down
The opening track ain't hard to find on all eyez on me is a bay area /northern California song it featured E40, D shock, Richie rich , B legit, and CBo
I miss the 90's so much everyday. The vibes, the movies, the music and everything. 💯 It was the last great era of everything. 💯 1996 was the hottest year of the 90's. 💯
I’m from Southern California, Tupac definitely started his grind in the Bay Area, and he had deep ties with a lot of rappers down there. There is an entire history of the life of Tupac in Oakland. But Death Row Tupac is what everyone talks about.
Deathrow Tupac was the worst human version of Pac, and it got him killed! That's why he always looked unhappy and made songs about dying. He was focked when he signed to Deathrow. He was happy in the Bay because we really loved Pac. I get around, and Shed, so many tears are what people remember, too! Don't try that Southern California 💩
@@JamesJohnson-vk9enYou are implying I am praising Tupac when he turned to Death Row. You need to improve your reading comprehension.
The 2pac fight with the Hughes Brothers happened at Spice 1's "Trigga Gots No Heart" video.
2 Pac used to come to San Bruno and visit my ex gf’s house. Her brother was good friends with Pac.
I never believed her since i never got the chance to meet him but, she had all types of pictures taken with him. Always wish i got that chance. This was early 90’s.
2pac was a multi faceted old soul. 💯
Never forget that in the beginning of the California Love music video, the sign read "Welcome to Oakland" and this was after he had signed with Death Row obviously. 2Pac was Oakland through and through.
Before those "welcome to Oakland " signs used to say " You are now entering Oakland" it was more like a warning before
Currently sitting here and crying at work. Thank you.
Bro that's str8 facts. He said it in countless interviews, he said he learned the game from the Bay. Pac was loyal to people who looked out for him and Death Row was based out of LA. You gained a new subscriber.
I will always look at 2 pac as a west coast artist
I feel this applies to some of LA rappers too. For example Kurupt from tha dogg pound is from Philly and xzibit from Detroit.
X is from New Mexico from what I remember but yeah it’s definitely the same shit
@@RaiderJoe Alvin Nathaniel Joiner (born September 18, 1974 in Detroit, Michigan), better known by his stage name Xzibit,
Fun facts from Other artists
Too short born LA
Shock G from digital underground from New York
@@BAYAREABULLY707 correct he was born in Detroit, but he grew up in Albuquerque
I agree tho. It’s all about where u got your start & for pac it was definitely Oakland
Thank you for setting this straight. Great video.
The East Have Always Hated
The West Coast Mostly Cali🧐
It Bothers Them That The Top Notch
Rapper Is A Cali Bay Area Rapper👊🏿💯😩
Let's Not Forget That Pac Was Running
Around All In Richmond Cali
With His Road Manager ManMan
E40 Mentions This As Well
#hatersaintshit #2pacbayareaartist
Finally someone who did their homework Nice job
Excellent video.
2pac is from the bay period.
Tupac shakur became 2pac in THE BAY.
I actually like Tupac from the Oakland era. Soon as he got away from the Digital underground camp his fate began to become fatal.
Me against the world was my favorite!
How narcissistic...🤔🤔🤔 He never got away from digital underground & the govt finally killed him... I don't know why it's so hard for y'all to believe undercover agents pose as gang members, street figures, kingpins, record label owners, etc... Hip hop was funded by the mafia in the beginning...🙄🙄🙄
Both deathrow and his bay area music were good but way different. His day area stuff was more like political rap and his l.a rap was more gangster rap. He was always good at telling stories though
@@dannyboydeluxfromthebigitybay / I never got gangsta from Pac deathrow in L.A. tenure... He still was very political during his deathrow time... Only thing that changed was he spoke more about his personal issues & what he was dealing with... Self defense has nothing to do with being gangsta... Pac been consistent with his perspective since his debut album... The perception of the general public is what changed... The agenda tuned y'all to a certain frequency... Y'all worshipped that gangsta agenda therefore tried to define Pac within that box... & Y'all can't... Cause he was more than just Hip Hop...💯💯💯
@@henrybiggs3113 2 of Americas most wanted, troublesome 96, shorty wanna be a thug(even though it's political too but still a gangster song), hail Mary, hit em up the list goes on. All those songs are about gangster and thug stuff. Like some of those songs have political stuff in them too but his 2pacalypse now album was way more about struggle and politics.
@@dannyboydeluxfromthebigitybay / No, they're not about gangsta stuff... that's just your incomprehension level set low... Do you actually listen to the lyrics of those songs...🤔🤔🤔 Listen to the lyrics of America's most wanted & tell me who talking about gangsta 💩... So because Pac says it's nothing but a gangsta party, he's being gangsta...😫😫😫 He's on deathrow, a label owned by a gang... He's rapping with Snoop, a known crip... He is @ a gangsta party, literally... Troublesome, that's what the black elites labeled him... So he's being gangsta talking about his strength & belief in his self defense...😫😫😫 "Murder Murder my mind state shit ain't changed since my last rhyme, the crime rate ain't declined... Niggas busting shots like they've lost their minds, like 25 to life never crossed their mind"... That's gangsta talk to you...🤔🤔🤔 "So how can I cry, tried to tell the little niggas either stop or die, mercy is for the weak, when I speak I scream"... "Sole survivor, learned to get high & pull drive bys, murder my foes, cant control my nine"... How do yall even interpret gangstaism out of his lyrics, besides deliberately doing so to belittle him with his own lyrics...?? Taking his words out of his context... That's wicked behavior on y'all part... Y'all are the demons he warned us about...👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
You called it !!!!!!! I remember all of this.
Hip Hop In The 90's Was The Best. 💯
Pac made a tribute song to New York too. The song “old school” on me against the world. That doesn’t mean he claims NY
He claims it on My Block
@@TheStreetFoolosopherMr187 he mentions the jungle Marin city as well on my block
💯💯💯💯 Pac changed the game!
Facts bro. The same shit with Kurupt he is from Philly moved to L.A.
2pac established by digital underground so for me he laid roots here and was discovered here so he’s all bay area
Shock G is from New York so A New York brother put him on 🤷🏿♂️ he has music out under the name MC New York.. .. if you put MC New York in UA-cam you will get Tupac music
@@SiyyanJohnson Shock G was born in Florida but was raised in Oakland.
This is facts. When I first moved to Florida they called me Cleveland for a few years until they basically looked at me as one of them.
Right on Dregs! You put the timeline in a much neater and concrete format for me. Always knew of his upbringing’s in all the areas but as far as ACTUAL timeline and facts I finally got it down.
I was Born 1991 in San Francisco so you know I grew up on PAC. Took the whole west coast east coast beef to heart lol knowing damn well I don’t know nobody from out east as a youngin lol.
Very good in depth Bio. I like how you crushed those stereotypes of him being a square for going to the school of the arts in Baltimore and the MC New York Name
He was trying to play of the Gangster/Thug stereotype they labeled him as so, no surprise that ppl would automatically call him out for going to an Arts school that made him look like less of “thug”
@@Mr.Soul99 He played gangster in movies but was a hardcore soldier in real life and that's a fact that your PLAYAHATE has to deal with. Lol
You forgot to mention One Nation MC's that he was a part of first in Marin City in the late 80s from 1987 to early 1989 (Before Strictly Dope) with Ryan D (Rapper) & D.J. Gable aka Klark Gable that would later form the 51.50 Illegally Insane in the early 90s, legendary Bay Area group out of Marin City but had a falling out due to a 1992 shooting incident at a local outdoor music festival that involved a 6-year-old child named Qa’id Walker-Teal.
This is such a great video! Love Tupac. He also lived in Georgia! He was really out here lol.
Especially During The Freaknik, Jack The Rapper & Clark Atlanta Homecoming Days. 💯
Great Vid Bro!
Amazing amazing documentary and 2Pac meant a lot to California especially the bay area. I think this side of him need to be talk about more other than the later part of his career, what people talk about the most so this science, great spotlight on his history in the bay, me being from Sacramento, Northern California this is amazing. He also has connections to my city as well so this is amazing documentary.
Great content!
I enjoyed this whole video!
Im from the Philippines. Everybody out here thinks he's from LA 🤦🏽♂️ LA culture is big out here. They don't know nothing about the Bay whatsoever
Dre Dog offered to be on Thug Life 🤯🤯🤯
Right on bro real talk
Picturing how good it would have been to have Pac and Nickatina on the same track.
Would've been so dope omg
Damn 🔥🔥🔥
Another reason he moved to LA was because of police harassment in Oakland. The beating he took for jay walking in Oakland was the reason he shaved his head because his hair didn't grow right from all the scaring from that beating. Police harassment in Oakland is the same reason Too $hort left Oakland and moved to Atlanta.
Real spit, 💯
I went to a protest sometime in late 1991 or early 1992 against police brutality in downtown Oakland-I think around 10th and Broadway. There were only about 40 or of us but Tupac showed up and talked and rapped. I didn’t know who he was at the time or only remotely but I remember he was wearing a really puffy down jacket with a hood on and a bunch of young black girls seemed really happy to see him!
I had gotten beaten badly myself by OPD in July of 1991 (on Broadway Ave) during a protest against the victory day parade after the First Persian Gulf War. We from the Bay don’t take kindly to military parades glorifying imperialist slaughter.
The east vs west was real beef and been going on long before Pac and Big. People always talking about the media perpetuated that which is straight cap. That tension always been there
Best ever.
PS- The art school mention was spot on. Mickey rourke sstudied acting and was a badass
im from marin city we was lucky to have him
Nothing but pure Facts!
Saafir was also cousin Harold in the menace to society movie..Pac was supposed be in it to, but had funk with the Hughes Brothers. He beat 1 up 😂
All FACTS!!!!!
It was Trigga Gots No Heart shoot where the fight happened
I heard exactly the same thing about "To live & Die in the Bay from one of my potnaz in the industry.
Great Video! To add on to what you're saying.. The California Love video was set in Oakland. A big nod to the Bay
Not true the video was made in Oxnard.
@mrssunshine6458 Well no sh*t... but if you watch the video, the sign said "Oakland"
Okay, I misunderstood what you was saying. Set and location of the actual shot is two different things. The setting was suppose to be in Oakland. I never paid that any attention.
@@mrssunshine6458 The sign read "Welcome to Oakland" bc 2Pac claimed Oakland above every other place he lived in, even after he signed with Death Row.
Actually, Interscope Records put up the bail money......Suge just grabbed the credit.
Facts
From the outside looking in, Pac was really cloest to Money-B and Shock G. It looked like they had a true deep family bond and Raw Fusion and Digital Underground members had his best interest in mind. I definitely agree with your assessment.
I ain't even seen yo whole vid and I'm already in full agreement.
I heard Tupac really liked C Bo as an artist. Most definitely Pac is OAKLAND !
Very Propper 💯🔥🤞👍
Pac also said that he’s from New York. His main crew was from the east coast. He had big productions from east coast producers. His relatives are from the east.
No he didn't bro digital underground was not no new York producers at all ,and only worked with stretch and easy no bee like two times
Pac is that guy! 🔥
Nothing but facts brother 💪🏽💯💯🫡
I look at pac like too short. He got his game and informative years in the bay and their career started here.
👌🏼
Heavy.
Ps Peace to Assata and Mutulu.
Pps E40 I Practice Looking Hard video was filmed in North Oakland.
Ppps I didn't know To Live And Die In LA sampled Prince until a few years ago. There is footage with Pac in the studio with Goodie Mobb and Boot Camp Click. Stretch from Live Squad was in Ghetto Theme and was on that song Pain with Tupac. He produced for Pac and Nas.
Some of my family knew him quite well when he lived in Marin city
Damn it, the east coast never appreciated him and are responsible for most of his ordeals in life to the extent of even attempting to kill him b4 he finally died. The Bay area gave him his game and always appreciated and loved him and still love him. The recent renaming of an avenue after him speaks volumes.
Same situation with master p and his bothers with being in Richmond.
“MC New York”. His Hip Hop pedigree came from the Bronx. His mindset came from the Oakland by way of the Black Panther party. So yes, before he ever stepped foot in the bay the influence was strong.
5:12 is that the same person who cut a check to get over the bridge to make that meeting happen?
And don't forget Too Short from in L.A
PAC’s everybody’s favorite artist 💪🏾😝
Nah, thanks to you he’s now the third best New York Rapper of the 90s behind Biggie and Nas… JUST KIDDING. Thanks for making this G.
Edit: I think it’s fair to view “To Live and Die in LA” in as simple as this: he dreamed of being a superstar in both Hollywood and the music scene and to do that one would need to be in LA just as a country star dreams of being in Nashville or theater kids hope to one day work on Broadway.
To live and die in La. All im gonna say, he was a bay legend but he fell in the LA lifestyle
But I think the MOB means Money Over Bitchesssss...
His first rap name was MC NEW YORK soooooooo
Tupac ain’t Sport no Red rage on Deathrow
I think that Pac was too important to be labeled as any one area rapper or even just a rapper.
Is that homie from Menace to Society? Kane's cousin that got smoke
It was spice 1 video a triggers got no heart that he beat up the Hughes brothers and the track amerikkka eats its young aka gotta survive. MOB to 2pac was "quote" Money Organisation Business.
Yup, it was on the menace to society sound track..that the reason pac beat up Allen Hughes and the outlawz jumped him after 😂..He was the director and because pac was to have a role in the movie along with saffir..he played cuzzin Harold who was shot in the bmw out the gate in movie..I think spice almost had role too, but not exact
I mean can you blame ppl tho? Pac wasnt out here screaming “Oakland” or “Bay Area”.
He was always throwing up “West Side” in general, which was heavily tied with LA at the time. And when he signed with DR there’s no denying he wanted his character to be affiliated with the LA Lifestyle.
Imo Pac was a business man first and, just went with whatever was bringing him money and keeping him relevant at the time. It why he started his whole “Thug Life” and “Gangster” personas, despite never living those lifestyles beforehand.
Either way, I think ppl who know about the culture know where he’s from and where he got his career started. But can’t really blame the average listener or someone who isn’t deep into the culture for thinking of 2Pac as an LA rapper.
West Side Is LA?
Who Told You That?
West Side Is States On The West Coast💯
Just As The East Coast Is Not 1 State
But The Eastern States.
Sir Mixalot Is West Coast/West Side
Just From Oregon....
#dohomework
@@lartsashulrhak7513 I didn’t say West side was strictly LA….I said it was heavily tied with It at the time, which it was... Especially at the time pac was around.
You couldn’t mention West coast without ppl automatically thinking of LA. Just like ppl would think NYC or Brooklyn every time some brought up the East coast at the time. And you can’t tell me pac was out here representing Oregon and Washington every time he was yelling “west side”
#learntoread
Tupac already had homies from La before on Death row he was coming back ,& forth from The bay to la in 92,93. Remember the La riots Pac was there. Tupac was only on death row for 11 months. He was already affiliated with LA. When he got on death row he rep the West Coast harder
Now that's where u wrong at , pac was living that life before he was even famous, he seen his mom on drugs .. he grew up wit no father ... In Marin city he was engaging in street fights and was also selling drugs for a little then stop .. that's what thug life is, people who overcame all obstacles and making it ... You can't tell me pac didn't know or seen that life... Plus his family was Black Panthers going against the government and police, yeah you trippin😂💯
@@brandongriffith5097 Pac was actually living in the Bay during the riots. He was down there shooting Poetic Justice
1. Warren G claims in an interview that he would have happily & eagerly signed Tupac if Suge hadn't signed him. Warren was ready for Pac & said he didn't have "expectations" for Pac to finish albums on a "deadline or schedule".
2. Ras Kass claims that Tupac had him (Ras) specifically on a dream list of artists to work with on a project. Ras was (allegedly) at the very Top of Pac's list.
3. A very notable Bay Area artist I think you left out was MC Hammer. Tupac & MC Hammer were inseperable before Tupac died. Tupac had many MANY close friends & acquaintances but my understanding is that Pac & Hammer were on the verge of becoming best friends before his death.
4. I think Tupac & actor Tony Danza were actually pretty close as well. Tony Danza wrote letters to Tupac while Pac was in prison. An unusual friendship.
5. Tupac's biological father is very much alive & well & Pac's mother is now being accused of lying to Pac all these years.
6. I heard a rumor that Tupac Shakur actually lived in Atlanta, Georgia for a short while. Possibly & Maybe even a year or two. Rumors say that Pac actually had a house 🏠🏡 or a Mansion in Atlanta. Evidence seems to be pretty strong.
There's more tidbits about him but that's pretty much all I got for now. I support & agree virtually everything you said in this video. Quality content & very good information. I enjoyed the name drops of the other Bay Area Katz you mentioned. This is educational right here. Peace 🙏🕊️✌️, Love & Blessings. Salute Fam!
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Andre nickatina is the 🐐!!!!!!
So what do you think he meant by west side if it end west side it ain’t popn
If Pac would’ve rapped in Baltimore then he would have been a southern rapper. Maryland is a southern state
WTF really? I thought it was Northern
Maryland is not the south lmaoooo
@@FlyyScience Maryland is a southern state and so is Delaware. Look it up. It’s really simple. It’s below the mason dixon line. You people are supposed to be smart 😊 look it up instead of telling me I’m wrong. And yes we are a southern state
@@FlyyScience yes it is. You must be slow.
@@icecreambeats101 lmao its not the south and I would challenge you to think critically about the traditional standard of using the mason dixon line as the measure of what a southern state is. There is nuance to be applied here.
It’s not that pac was a square but he didn’t fit well with Baltimore. He was getting teased and joked on. Until he went to the Baltimore school of performing that’s where he fit in. It wasn’t as raw and rugged as a regular Baltimore city school. So he wasn’t a nerd but he wasn’t a gangster
You said Tupac fault that huge Brothers at the 1993 video welcome to the ghetto man that's not true I believe you made a mistake but it was at the video shoot triggers got no heart
Where did he learn to rap ?.. NY. shock G is from NY.. he lived in Cali 6 years total.. lived in ATL for 3 years NY 15 years Baltimore 3 years .. you can't find a picture of him dressed like a west coast kid.. he rock timberlands all his best friends was from the east coast .. outlaws big sike 🤷🏿♂️ .. he was even in NY when he went to jail..
Can I ask if you were even born yet in the 90s?
these are good facts, but pac started his rap career in the bay and was tied is thick with bay artists more than anywhere
Yup a lot of Bay area folk's been weaingr Tim's and dress saucy it's not cold but I'll say it's cold enough to wears jacket n Tim's year round but when he got to marin City the bay always been different than the rest of. Ca especially LA why do you think their is no bloods n crips in the bay but to answer your question pac got into the bay scene heavy he fucked vwith Ray luv mac dre dru down Mac mall CBO E40 and others and so yes that swag he adopted is from the bay in sure he didny forgot his roots pac was always switching styles kind of like mac dre even wne he was deathrow je had a different swag that's when ths khakis and aife beaters became his go to
Baltimore is the south fax
Baltimore is not the south it’s northeast just like philly New York in New Jersey etc etc some of you people need to go study more geography
@@torronbrown4107 its under the mason dixson line fam dmv is the south
@@torronbrown4107 you might need to check bro anything under the mason dixson line is the south fam im from brooklyn any time we talk about b more we all call it the south
Baltimore is not the south. The south do not claim Baltimore 😂
google it queen and they do dmv is the south it is under the mason dixon line so yes it is @@FlyyScience
That a got dam lie pac dont know no liying as master P ..name the tour pac was on with P & year show me the video that photo shop picture show a actual photo Pac & P together
I’m sorry I hope this is constructive criticism… I can’t finish watching your video bc your hand movements are distracting. Good luck!
New York claims Tupac....
He's your favorite rapper. Biggie was way better
Pac loved the Bay and got his game from the Bay but the fact remains he wasn't from the Bay! In reality Pac was from NewYork. Actors come to Cali all the time and get their break but you can't take away where they are from! Get over it!! He even carried the Newyork ancient till his last breath.
Baltimore made Tupac not the Bay Area.
This guy is delusional. New York made 2pac. Let’s see his most famous movies where from NYC “Juice”, “Above the Rim”. His crew was from NYC and Nj… the outlawz, big stretch and so forth. He caught all his cases for the most part in NYC. He did prison time in NY. Damn all his family is from NYC and Jersey. His memorable moments were in NYC the situation at Bryant park. He even told Greg Nice he missed NYC and Puerto Rican women. He still had his NYC accent. The majority of famous people come from NYC and Jersey do the math. No cares about California..
Put the pipe down lil fella 😂 Its Oaktown where he got his game from..he even has said it in numerous interviews...His 1st rap group..from santa rosa..I actually know Ray luv personally and remember pac as well..didn't really know pac, but seen him around and spoke occasionally way back before he blew up. Shock g was basically his mentored when he was in oakland as well..pac is super connected to the bay area. All cities in cali are pretty connected unlike a lot of other states. He still had roots and ties to NY ..of course he did. Why wouldn't he he was born there.. He was connected all over the place. It's called networking. It's definitely is a power move for success
Lmao Tupac caught cases ACROSS the United States. Texas, a lot in California, Michigan, Georgia. I think he had 2 strikes in LA. Also, his mom's side of the family is actually from NC and VA.
Mf still don't Wana do 11/5 or 211