Labour Wins Massive Majority On Low Vote Share, Gaza Costs Starmer |
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Labour has won a landslide majority of 170 seats. Michael Walker and Aaron Bastani break down the general election results.
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People didn’t vote Labour in, they voted Tories out. There’s a big difference.
I disagree. They want the left wing which is why the Conservatives are failing.
@@jacquelineleitch7050I disagree with your disagreement
@@jacquelineleitch7050Keir Starmers Labour isn’t left wing
@@Ayat78 they are
@chaserseven2886 not anymore! They are more centre right. True left is corbyn. Keir is a wolf (Tory) in sheep (Labour) clothing
Congrats to independent candidates especially Jeremy Corbin.
Someone asked me why I wasn't excited about this result this morning. I simply asked them which Labour policy they were looking forward to being enacted.
Silence.
Absolutely hilarious that Starmer got fewer votes than Corbyn - and that Corbyn held onto his seat.
After 14 years im too weary of this fiasco to celebrate the Tories packing up.
Corbyn‘s intensifying of majorities in Northern red wall seats in 2017 did fuck all for actual political change beyond a Tory-DUP CS agreement. I really admire Corbyn, but the efficiency of the Labour vote this election and the use of tactical voting in Labour and Lib Dem target seats is commendable and comparing raw vote totals between different elections with different turnouts is not exactly representative.
it was not about policy it was about punishment
Winning an election is about understanding the electoral system you’re operating in. Labour knew it didn’t need massive majorities in a few seats, but slim majorities in many. It did that, and it won. There’s no point stacking up votes in cushy left wing constituencies if you let the tories into power
They need to make a lot more consumer data protection and privacy policies and legislations to sort out these big tech companies. As well as sort out everything else that desperately needs sorting lol
Wes Streeting was annoying ! I really wanted him to lose
Almost bloody did!
Writes in The S*n and gladly accepts bribes (I refuse to call them "donations") from blokes in private health care. What a guy!
It was so dang close too
Can someone explain the hate about Wes I’m seeing everywhere ? I read up on his profile. Working class east London background, hates the Tories for how difficult they made life for single families as he grew up, ran the National Union of Students, survived cancer, was very critical of Starmer in his early days. Bold aims for improving access to NHS services and improving waiting times, but admits it needs modernising.
Yes me too
All that’s happened is that UK voters have elected another Tory government called ‘Labour’ Brilliant victory for Jeremy Corbyn.
Absolutely 100%.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Exactly. It's just 2 names for the same party. People need to wake up.
Exactly what I have been saying all along. Absoluttely NOTHING will change. We are truly doomed. DWP sanctions willl still continue killing thousands. Homelessness will still go through the roof. We will still have the lowest state pension in Europe. And the low-waged, the poor, the sick and disabled will still be targeted to the point of their deaths. No. Nothing has changed.
This line is incredibly boring now, let’s see what actually happens. Be thankful we don’t have a fascist devisive Tory party drunk and asleep at the wheel.
I still find it difficult to reconcile that 34% voter support for Labour/Starmer can give 64% MPs in parliament. And have difficulty using the word 'democracy' in this context.
There's a reason for the model you use in the UK, and that is 4 distinct nations with unevenly located populations. In the proportional model, Wales, Scotland and NI wouldn't even need to bother with voting, simply because England has the largest proportion of the population, so whatever they vote for, would win every single time.
Two part DEMOCRACY 🤣
@@frusia123Labour demolished SNP in Scotland and Plaid in Wales. These are national elections where the election is for the entire country, not the regional elections in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Polls have overwhelmingly shown the public wanted the Tories out and wanted Labour in to achieve that.
That is what happened.
Democracy has worked, the voters got what they wanted
@@frusia123 well apart from me believing scotland should be independent, because the stats show them not as reactionary as parts of england with similar deprivation (but how long will that last when there's a cost of living crisis?)... I don't think that's an argument against PR.
you can either say that you believe in "democracy", or you can admit that bourgeois "democracy" has it's many negatives and sometimes you have to limit it in someway to stop fascists/billionaires funding these fascists. sometimes maybe allowing all major news to be run by a few select billionaires means that it isn't a fair election when the news is bought up. so then, why even pretend that elections in the UK are the answer? workers can't actually get genuine power from these elections, but we try to justify the sham.
then the fact that even if someone good came in (like corbyn), and somehow survived the coup attempts, the bloodbath, and avoid his own party stabbing him in the back - the fact that all that work towards improving inequality can just be undone after 4 years is so backwards. we don't vote on every single policy. we don't have mob rule. you shouldn't be allowed to democratically allow slavery if a majority of people ended up voting for it at one point. nevermind that studies show that the average person has basically no influence on policies, so why do we keep doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different outcome? why do we invade countries when they haven't democratically elected us? there are a lot of people influenced by the west, but they are not allowed a vote because we pretend power ends at national borders.
As my politics teacher said in 1997, when Labour won, no one will change an electoral system that got them into power.
Exactly
I think you going see some changes this time.
Totally agree with you. I may be politically a bit naive (very naive!!!), but I'm thinking that even with the electoral system 'stacked' in Stalin Stammerer's favour, labour are going to continue to haemorrhage supporters the length and breadth of the country. He really is bad and in no way any kind of leader. And in 2029 they will be given the boot. In his winner's speech, he could not remember a single, solitary sentence without looking down at his notes. Utterly shocking...
@@thestudentcafe So your telling me that your party lead this country? What leadership are speaking off Boris Johnson party during Covid? Rising gas prices, and food prices. Tory mp Jacob Rees-Mogg constantly denying problem with UK custom borders.
@HellBot-gi5si BJ was not in any way, shape or form, a leader. He is no more than a double glazing salesman. Jacob Rees-Mogg, his sidekick. Blair's Government sowed the seeds of death for the UK and thereafter, Tory government, made up of 'beige', talentless career politicians with no intention of addressing any of the critical issues that affect Joe Public. I have never been a supporter of the conservatives, nor labour. It is time for real change. Reform, for me is the way forward...
Starmer’s s vote in Holborn and St Pancras fell from 36,641 in 2019 to 18,884 today -that’s a massive drop.
No amount of political posturing by the right wing media will sweep that away.
Wanted Fienstein to win
did labour get more votes under jeremy corbyn in 2017? or did i get that wrong?
What would any ‘right wing media’ try to hide the fact that starmer had a massive drop in popularity?
@@normankennith79192017 yes
@@normankennith7919 you are right. The reason Labour won this time was because the tory vote collapsed not because they are popular.
Jeremy corbyn is great , he dares to talk about peace !!
Peace is always a disaster for war profiteers.
He is protestor that achieves nothing
A cultist like Farage or johnson
Disgraceful treatment of Corbyn by Starmer-as a life long Labour voter, up until yesterday, don’t think I’ll ever come to terms with it
One of the best results of the night.
So, you supported them when they adopted neoliberalism under Blair and continued with Miliband?
You do realise that's why they were able to undermine Corbyn?!?
Why did the Greens stand against Corbyn?! And why hasn't the very pro-Green NM mentioned this?
I find solace in Corbyn getting more votes than Starmer. I hope you can too.
That’s because of turnout and tactical voting. The Labour vote falling in Lib Dem target areas is an indication that people want electoral reform, not that Starmer is less popular.
I wanted Leanne to unseat Wes and Jody to win against dreadful Jess.
I'll never vote Labour again the dirty tricks they used were disgusting.
Jess Philips and her tram was subjected to a non stop stream of lies, hatred and vitriol from the nasty poisonous left
Can you elaborate? What's your beef with Jess Philips exactly?
@yufers She stabbed Jezza in the back and clapped when we lost GE19 therefore giving us another 5 years of Tory hell
@@azami123 stop making excuses
Jeremy Corbyn was the reason Labour lost twice.
The guy has no political strategy
blame the greens for leannes loss
Starmer's Labour garnered 9.7 million votes, Corbyn's Labour in 2019 (yes that terrible disaster) gained 10.3 million votes. Based on the share of the vote these are the actual number of seats they would have won if they were directly proportional :-
Labour 220
Tories 153
Reform 93
LibDem 79
Greens 44
SNP 13
What is the point of the Lib Dems
Starmer is like a boring football manager who's team plays defensively and nicks wins 1-0. Corbyn is like a manager who's team plays wonderful attacking football that everyone enjoys, but loses 6-5
Why would reform have more seats than green if they both won 4 seats?
Thank goodness for first past the post if it means Reform is restricted to 4 seats over 93. Thank goodness!!!
@@laffietaffie Nope, it's bad news. Stifling people's voices never works out well in the long-medium term. Many Reform voters are people with a grievance, that feel unlistened to - this gross inequity will just feed that.
If you want to stymie Reform and the strain of politics it represents then you need to attack the reasons that it exists and spreads, rather than try to stuff it back into the jar. No that doesn't mean just doing what they want - it means recognising that inequality, a sense of injustice and being left out are what drives people towards these positions.
Rishi was unelected in the first place.
To be fair, neither were Jim Callaghan and Gordon Brown.
He was elected by his constituents. Leaders are chosen by their parties. That's just the way it is, I'm afraid.
Also David Cameron
@@ianmackillop1774they were British ....
@@davidalderson4980..........well things we don't like will be have to changed I'm afraid...
A coalition of the left and the greens is possible. Notice the green party candidate Sheridan Kates clapping and nodding while Jeremy Corbyn talks about Gaza, peace and the two children cap 💚❤️
we can dream, im ready for it.
Political Green is the favourite colour of the Uni-Party, BlackRock, the Oligarchic Clique (cult), etc. Have you not noticed that yet. I’m ex Greenpeace - but would never trust a political greenie.
A bunch of protestors achieving nothing
Corbyn should retire
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv cobyn got more votes for labour in both the elections he was leader than starmer got. Don't think he's going anywhere
Maybe JC should be consistent t on his position and make Palestinians appease Israel
Imagine what the Gaza issue might have done if the media hadn't completely ignored it.
Don't mention-gazza-but-ukraine-is-ok.
@@thetruth-loveitorhateit7999 Where were all these brother muslims when the Uyghurs were being ethnically cleansed? I guess they were not brown enough to count.
Also silent on the genocide in Sudan. Pure hypocrisy.
@@mrmajeika6101 I'm disabled, in the uk. Not only where, were everybody, but where are, everybody in outrage at consecutive governments attacks on us. Every one is I'm alright Jack. If there's no money in it for them then this is what takes place. Always money for divide and war from the tax laundries. Perhaps I should have mentioned that in my 1st reply. But yt removes these things, and possibly this as well. So I may copy it.
Well Corbyn won & some Labour candidates lost bc of their stance on Gaza. So the issue did matter.
Labour will be paralysed by paranoia with virtually every existing Labour MP seeing a huge reduction in majority.
It’s a good thing, they will have to try harder. The Palestine-Gaza issue unseated several MPs that would have been in the cabinet, they can’t ignore that in the same way they can’t ignore Reform.
No it wont
@@DiegoFuego87 Centrists dont "try harder", they will just sit around and complain about the others, until they inevitably fuck up and people flock to them again.
The Greens got 4 seats yesterday, proportionally it was around 44 seats. Going into the election everyone talked about people not wanting Tory, but not wanting Labour either and Voter dissolution, and the turn out showed that. These are some of the reasons PR would be a better. How a party with less that 2% more vote share, gets over 200% more seats to go from minority to majority is considered a good electoral system is beyond me.
46:26, wow Greens coming 2nd in 44 seats, I didn't know that. So with PR and a the Single Transferable Vote, the Greens would be picking up more seats that does indeed the proportion of 44 in my post above.
Mr Starmer are you going to call for an immediate cease fire in gaza now that you are the prime minister of united kingdom or are you going to allow Netanyahu to continue with his genocide?
Keir Starmer is prime minister of the U.K. not the Middle East
Calling for a ceasefire will make diddly squat difference to Netanyahu
A ceasefire has been the Labour position for months. Starmer's biggest error was a clumsy radio interview that he should have immediately clarified.
Ofcourse not, he's totally embedded with Friends of Israel and will no doubt be sending even more arms
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvIt will make a huge difference to the dynamics of this situation , it's portrayed position within main stream media and in more practical terms a ban on the export of weapons and components would send a huge message to Netanyahu and his cohorts especially as after the UK blocked UN process to issue war crimes warrants for this murderer...
@@timbob1627 “sends a message”
So in other words it makes zero difference
Feel sorry for the genocide victims, with tthe genocide brigade in power now.
You’d think Kier was flying the planes and dropping the bombs
Ridiculous comment
No, just endorsing shutting off water and medical supplies. We pay for those bombs@@waynereid9471
How's the cricket pitch in prison imran?
@@joeegg90 when you get used to the bad pitches nothing can stop ya.
So the Tories were pro Palestine?
Been asleep long?
Waveney went Green. Good news!
Nice to hear you crediting Owen Jones. Most decent of you.
They're best mates. He used to co-host all the time
Owen Jones worked hard as Ian Duncan Smiths campaign manager.
Well done Owen for getting a Tory over the line
This was much more an anti Tory vote rather than pro labour vote. The labour party's vote share has increased by just 1.8% from 2019 . That shows only few more voters wanted labour than 2019 but split in the rightist votes added 200+ seats to labour.
Only increased share because lower turnout, as they didn't inspire.
Their vote counts were lower, despite a larger population.
@@ChrispyNut A wide but shallow victory.
That's a bit like saying that the winning football team didn't really win because the opposition gave a bad goal away. Its the result that counts. People wanted the Tories out and Labour were the best bet for government out of what was left.
@@Dantianblue Analogy is meaningless, Football is a silly sport with little meaning, this is politics and the looming problems and consequences of continuing to not address catastrophic for our entire species.
@@DantianblueOf course people saw labour as the alternative but only few more as compared to 2019. Had it not been for reform splitting the conservative votes the result could have been at best a dead heat or at worst an outright victory of Tories again.
Loved your coverage last night, thanks to all.
The shift to the right in Europe has nothing to do with a right leaning ideology,it's the badly expressed un articulated frustration with neoliberalism
This is, very much, accurate. This frustration is harvested by the fascists, as was always the case.
Non stop lying, scape goating and easy (non) solutions will always work on a good chunk of the population.
Rarely among the reading part though, which is why the educational system must always be defended against the neoliberal fascist plant school.
Strongly disagree.
There is frustration with neoliberalism. But many parties are opposed to it. But the far right is reaping the benefit. Not the left.
Because of its ideology, organisation, campaigning, and having lots of dark money behind it. Including media support.
How can we have an improvement in standards with baked in £18 billion of Tory cuts that Labour are going to enact??
Labour could only win by avoiding Tory traps.
Now it is in it will have to deal with what it faces, no doubt with tax increases
Just about the best possible result given how we went into the night.
Labour win but on less votes than Corbyn in 2017 and 2019, with left-independents and the Greens seriously outperforming expectations at Labour's expense, Corbyn winning by a big margin as an Independent, and Reform getting only 5 seats.
Only thing that would have been better is if Farage had lost in Clacton and Faiza Shaheen and Andrew Feinstein had won, and Wes Streeting had been taken out.
My thoughts exactly 💯
Left independents and Greens got hardly any seats
You are barking like a mad dog
Labour just won 412 seats. That’s the big story
reform only got 5 seats, but a big vote share that cost tories their seats. you can expect the right wing to unite stronger than before next election... that is the part that's not good. and with maybe 4 years (if he lasts that long) of starmer austerity, can you imagine how much more reactionary people will be in the UK? with a possible cold war or war with china on the horizon? god help us lol. but yeah, good about corbyn - but why didn't he try to start a bigger party ages ago?! he held onto hoping labour would let him back in again for too long! a chance squandered!
Aww it sucks that Leanne Mohammed lost. She worked so hard for it. Then again it’s not easy to win as an independent. People like Corbyn, with lots of name recognition, can do it, but even then it’s hard because voters are scared to split the vote & have a conservative win.
Scummy labour would rather have a Tory win rather than let Lianne.
she would have won if thr greens hadn’t siphoned off votes
Love the green behind Jeremy!
She shouldn’t have run as a candidate … they should have focused on getting rid of Emily Thornberry … but they didn’t bother
I love watermelons to - green on the outside red on the inside
@@Gudha_Ismintisvote swaps work
@@Ayat78 vote swaps are up to voters not parties
@@crhu319 actually not
Agree, Owens done an awesome job and doubtless loads of hard work.
Yes Owen worked tirelessly as Ian Duncan Smiths campaign manager and it’s paid off, he won his seat.
Well done Owen you have put the politician responsible for the most toxic benefits system back into politics
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv the fault is The Labour Party there, not Faiza.
Starmer sounds like a priest giving the homily
Only just realised that Rees-Mogg lost his seat! Almost as good as Corbyn winning his!
Definitely the worst tool his dad made
Massive win for Labour
Keir is obviously a very very clever tool.
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv i'd rather one of his dads 10mm spanner's
Labour winning 412 seats and thirty-four percent of the popular vote. Time the UK looked at Proportional Representation like we have in NZ. It does work, and our governments have been stable since the implementation of MMP in 1996.
PR needs to be introduced in UK. This Government in no way represents the will of the people.
PR will never be introduced in this country.
The only places that use it are us and British ex-colonies it sets in motion quite a large change, I doubt it will ever happen.
PR as in Proportional Representation? I don't vote anymore regardless, don't trust any of them.
@@wleon4068That's because in the PR model, Scotland, Wales and NI wouldn't get any representation whatsoever. England has the largest population, so they would out vote everyone else every single time. PR can work for countries that comprise one nation, or perhaps several nations that are even in terms of the population.
If you don't vote then you have no right to moan XD
Most hated Labour leader 😂
No, that’s Corbyn
B-lair the the prince of darkness Mandelson and big business are the real drivers of the Starmer the inept tool
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv no, that's war criminal Blair
I turned up at Finsbury Park to hand out some leaflets for Jezza. There was a buzz around the place. I was suprised by the margin of victory.
Has anyone asked the question as to how Reform UK will work as a political party which is also a private company ?
Apparently they are going to reform and have a vote on their leader heir farage
I mean, I'm curious to see what Farage does when he's clearly itching to go join his buddy Trump in America. People forget, he didn't want to be a part of Reform while Trump was in competition, it's only when Trump got convicted he suddenly jumped in as his gravy train seemed to bee disappearing. Of course, it didn't disappear, and now Trump's set to win, yet Farage has now shackled himself into Westminister.
I don't know the ins and outs but it seems fundamental wrong to me.
It's not really clear but don't think the corporate structure is particularly important. It basically just means Farage has carte blanche over policy while party members have no power, whereas other parties have their own constitutions which work in their own ways, each of which confer different levels of power to the members.
@@matt69nice I am thinking more when it comes to areas such as expenses or donations and the related tax implications. Also, are their MP's independent contractors or employees ?
Corbyn looked pretty priministerial personally but I am very biased
@22:25 I was disappointed wes didn't lose his seat, and gutted Leanne lost by such a small margin.. 😢 she ran a great campaign.. 👍🏼
Something quite vile about Wes Streeting. Something quite saintly about Leanne. After 5 years of decimating and privatizing the NHS I hope Leanne has another go at unseating him.
Yes you are gutted the supporters of Hamas didn’t win
on the bright side, at least people might wake up a bit that you can actually get indepedents elected with barely any campaign money. she was very close, i didn't even know about her until after the election. she will do better next time if she tries again. although i wish people would give up on believing elections under this "system" are the way
Our democracy needs developing, PR, Citizens assemblies, Primary's, elected second chamber, referendums & massive influx of working class MP's
Love to you all
Totally agree, more visionary than many policies.
Labour will not implement PR or give votes to 16/17 year olds.
A massive influx of working class MPs happened yesterday
It’s the most working class govt ever
You'd need to explain exactly what you mean by 'PR' as the term encompasses different voting systems, one of which was AV, which was rejected by the public when voted on in 2011.
I don't think electoral reform is that complicated. It's pretty well explained by two brightly coloured pie charts.
Absolute nonsense, the fact that the Gaza issue garnered so much support just points to the level of integration and non-cultural bias in the UK and that is great to see !!
I'm interested in how the independents handle their representational responsibilities and what stances they take on issues other than Gaza.
Yeah lots of supporters of Hanas terrorism came out of the woodwork
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Hanas ? Clearly you are not a supporter then lol
Brilliant coverage by NM these last 2 days. Well done everyone 🎉
If you like endless bias from middle class post graduates
I agree about It Wes Streeting and Jess almost loosing their seats would have been great!
Liebour in Scotland got 37 per cent of the vote. SNP got 30 per cent. Liebour have 37 seats and the SNP 10. Wow. How fair and democratic. my visualisation is of entitlement and wnky people in Oxford or Cambridge having a race around a courtyard. Saor Alba
PS Latest figure (BBC) is Labour 35%.
"Rodney" has read out lists of what he stood for, only for him later to cross all those items off.
great coverage thank you very much
FPTP has surely had its day.
The political landscape is so much more diverse than it used to be, it likely stops a good many people voting because they don't feel their votes count and it leads to the utterly bonkers disproportionate number of seats both Labour and the LDs have won today.
What alternative do you propose? AV was roundly rejected by the public when they had a chance to vote for change in 2011.
@@anonnymous4684 Nobody's fault, but I think that was almost the exact worst time to have that referendum.
People are more clued up now, the political landscape is far more diverse and established and I think this result more than ever shows the need for a change.
Personally I prefer the STV system used in Northern Ireland as it preserves a constituency link, is the most proportional in terms of what it delivers and allows for a wider choice of candidates helping to break the big parties' stranglehold.
I voted GREEN as I have done for 20 years.
You can't argue with stupid 😂
@@silondon9010 you know we're in a climate emergency right? We NEED The Green Party...
F Ed up electoral system
Though we've yet to decide on one which would serve the electorate better.
Blocking Faiza Sheheen hasn't achieved anything positive for Starmer, as IDS has retained his seat. In addition, it has strengthened the position of the left associated with Jeremy Corbyn.
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Yeah, I'm strapping in, can't wait.
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Did Labour win, or merely survive while the Tories didn't? They didn't gain a significant number of seats.
Edit: I was wrong. They didn't get many more votes, but they did spread those votes further, with more slim victories winning new (albeit precarious) seats
People are disillusioned with Tories so huge section moved towards the Reform. So conservative votes split and this benefitted the labour. The mere 2% increase in labour vote share shows people in general were not inclined towards it , but since right wing votes were split , labour benefitted immensely from it.
'They didn't gain a significant number of seats.'
Labour gained 214 seats. What are you talking about?
Right, imagine if reform stood down and let the tories have a straight run at labour. @@reconquistahinduism346
@@40yearoldvirgil15but reform was voted precisely because people thought Tories are moving away from their core agenda and principles. Also people found Tories to be arrogant and corrupt. If Tories can improve and sort things out , reform will be out by the next election. Todays victory is a negative vote against the Tories more than a genuine vote for labour. Negative votes do not last longer. If labour does not deliver , people will be angry within one year or so.
Could see the greens doing what reform did to the tories at this election in 2029
Be like New Zealand, proportional voting and fair....
If ignorance is bliss, intelligence is depressing....and new labour/Tory victories are oh so depressing.
You wanted five more years of Rishi then.
I'm surprised you've not mentioned Andrew Feinstein! An Independent Candidate in Holborn and St. Pancras, a brief campaign saw him coming second with 7,312 votes whilst Keir Starmer's majority was reduced from 36,641 in 2019 to 18,884 in 2024.
My postal vote never showed but they refused to let me vote in person as I was meant to have a postal. It's ridiculous and seems intentional as many disabled people or those without ID use postal
That's probably why so many postal votes were "lost"
HOW are you saying Keir looked like he had been practicing his speech for a while when he looked down every other second
I thought he was being sarcastic 😂😂
😂😂😂
i dont think it really matters when there is a low turn out.The majority of the population are apathetic about politics at the best of times and only show some real interest if they feel a certain party's policy will affect them personally .Too often the poorly educated (as Trump likes to call them) can be manipulated to support a policy that they do not understand.
Brexit is the most recent example and Britain is going to pay the price in lower living standards for years to come.
Every section of society can be poorly educated when it’s comes to polotics. What percentage of the upper class actually vote, they don’t need to vote, the rich can ride out the crashes in the economy.
proportionally greens should have 44 seats.
A win is a win.
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”
Starmer hails 'sunlight of hope'.
WTF does that even mean?
AI wrote it.
@@Ichioku Certainly sounds like it.
Do you think Starmzy is a Cybocrat from the future?
I think it's a line from Kate Chopin's The Awakening.
FPTP leads to a burning sense of injustice that is deeply dangerous
No one cares about Reform voter, they are hated by the entire country.
FPTP has been around for years but now it’s dangerous?🤔🤔
@@waynereid9471
Chess is dangerous, because white always moves first.
@@waynereid9471Labour, Lib Dems and Greens played to the FPTP system.
@@waynereid9471They hate that Labour won because they wanted to stew in Opposition forever as purists instead of effecting actual potential societal change. These people seem to think that ministers like Angela Rayner are going to set back while Labour apparently do nothing, even though it is in noone‘s interest for this to happen and Labour‘s cautious campaign surely indicates that they’ve probably got more ambition than is let on.
Tony Blair finished me with labour
He did have some positive achievements though.
Millions dead in Iraqi illegal war. He is a horror.
@@TessTearoe-zp5xv he was sort of blackmailed into with 9/11 fervour. Did lots of great other stuff.
@@joso7228 One thing 🇨🇦 got right was our Prime Minister kept us out of the Iraq as the UN did not sanction the Iraq War. Unfortunately he did not keep us out of Afghanistan, which was equally hideous. 20 years of war to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. The war machine profited!
It is my opinion Blair did profit from the Iraq War. Millions died and the sanctions against Iraq were estimated to have killed 500,000 children their lives, Madelyn Albright when asked was it worth it
said “absolutely yes”. You notice that it’s the West always in other people’s countries which causes death and destruction of infrastructure and subsequently you have small boats crossing. Cause and effect.
Yes, I'm sure you' have preferred another five years of a Rishi-led government.
I’m watching NM not the BBC. This is the big change.
Michael looking beautiful in that lighting
Sir Kid Harmer, the living embodiment of Orwell's Animal Farm.
as usually Novara don't mention elephant in the room - Charles III ! - nothing will ever change -
great work these last weeks Novara
38:21 As a frontline healthcare worker, I'm very irritated that ducking hunt is still in parliament.
The one thing you can't call the UK and thats a democracy.
Starmer will never reform UK democracy because its failures benefit the establishment greatly in a 2 party state.
There has never been an election result i haven't been depressed by
:(
i am 54 yo and never had a vote that counted. Lived in both tory and labour supermajority seats, nothing i could have ever done about it. A poster boy of electoral disenfranchisement.
I tactically vote. So I vote for any party that keeps the Tories out in GE.
Unfortunately that's the case in democracy, the majority wins. But the only other alternative is not having a say at all.
@@frusia123 laughably untrue
One person one vote no seats
There's no such thing as a 'supermajority' in the UK. I think you're referring to a 'safe' seat.
Journalists have a lot to account for and why NM and other similar platforms are so crucial in countering prejudiced media platforms.
Electoral Disaster For Keir Starmer
2017 Jeremy Corbyn Popular Vote 12,877,918
2019 Jeremy Corbyn Popular Vote 10,269,051
2024 Keir Starmer Popular Vote 9,712,011
Reform, 4 million votes, 4-5 seats.
@@jamiekelly7280 I'm torn. On the one hand, being a proponent of proportionate representation, Deform should get more seats. However, their politics are a direct threat to democracy.
Such a 'disaster' that he's now prime minster.
Great work last night. Respect.
you can have a wash now
Scotland has a partial PR system for the Holyrood Parliament.
Politicians are not in power, they are in service. We need a paradigm shift in the language we use for our public servants.
If people are told immigration is an issue, they will believe it. If they are told its a critical need of the nation, they will believe that too. Don't buy into the hysteria and stare down the loonies!
The Green candidate behind Corbyn onstage was nodding and clapping throughout his speech. Why did she/the Greens stand against him?
If their vote share went up, adds more pressure to labour..I thought/felt Jeremy would win..
Election system literally forces them to in various ways. Greens tend to run hard against enemies and only try to get policy promises out of friends. The best ones advocate vote swaps.
Corbyn won't go on forever. The greens want to be in pole position when the time comes that he steps down, so that it doesn't just go straight back to labour. They need to build up that core support in the constituency. Corbyn didn't need any favours to win anyway.
Because the Greens are useless oppurtunists and a dead end for the working class.
I honestly think it took more votes from Labour than from Jeremy. It's a good thing she stood.
The one thing they weren't expecting was Bristol Central to go green? It's been predicted by every MRP poll for over a month.
If we had PR Me and many others would have voted green. The only reason I didn't is they don't stand a chance in my area.
But they won't stand a chance unless you vote for them. Cleft stick?
The simple truth from reform to the greens, minor parties and independents got more votes. And the biggest victims were the Tories and SNP (previously dominant in Scotland). Labour had a few seats go against them for this but their electoral coalition held together and so they won massively, and the Lib Dems are back big time.
That is the the truth
This channel makes out the greens won power
Former labour voter and member, i voted lib dems in a labour stronghold as did many just to send a message, hope kier does well but judging his policies i doubt anything will get better
Might be easier to put pressure on your local MP instead, so that pressure is better transmitted on to Starmer.
Novara family thank you for your hard work and rational comments. Nigel Farage will always blame migration and immigration be it Brexit and now to get few of his xenophobic friends to parliament and they will have P Patel and Cruela to make noises in the two right drifting parties.
Owen jones is vindicated Michael because so many people shared that perspective...so gutted Streeting kept his seat.
Exactly. I'd already decided to vote The Green Party this time, knowing it was safe in light of the polls, long before Owen Jones advised it. Loads of us came to that conclusion ourselves 😊
I personally would prefer a system whereby the national vote is for the parties themselves and seats as allocated based on vote share. That would remove local bias and could give a more reflective parliament and it would force more decentralisation of powers to local authorities and assemblies.
Being in Northern Ireland I was glad to see Alliance take the seat that was Jeffrey Donaldson's and was also good to see Gregory Campbell pushed close by Sinn Fein. I do say it makes little difference as Westminster gives little voice to the six counties anyway.
Northern Ireland??? Anyway it would be better to see less of the sectarian vote in the 6 counties and more independents.. but as with the UK, people are sheep. Unfortunately the tribal vote isn't left 😢
@@darwin6267 Your unwillingness to accept the name is in itself sectarian. I am from a republican area in North Belfast but I am intelligent and culturally confident enough not to be threatened by names or symbols. That is how you stop sectarianism !!
If Sinn Fein wants to talk to the government, they should come to the HoC and represent their consequences instead of boycotting
@@robertmaslin3844 As I stated the level of representation in Westminster makes Northern Ireland an irrelevance. Further to that Sinn Fein has since its formation considered Britain an occupier and its parliament a foreign one; that hasn't changed and neither should their stance in my opinion !!
FPTP electoral systems throw up these undemocratic outcomes. Democracies structured to ensure the protection of a status quo are democracies in name only and will tend to autocracy. Time Britain looked to proportional systems.
This is true, but as time goes on more and more young people get added to the vote, most are non tory & reform. Greens, Liberals and Labour will all gain. Brexit is a major issue with the young with a 90% wish to return, parties need to be aware of this.
Love the Malmö-Tee, Aaron!
I also agree with you that PR would give more political stability.
And for those of you that wants to rejoin the EU, you'll never be able to run that decades long process without PR.
20:30 I think I would agree with this if Owen had started his campaign at least two years ago, it was too little too late for me. some people still need to get rid of their emotional attachment to the Labour party.
Jeremy Corbyn Allah will give him long life. We never
vote anyone only him.
from the Channel to the Sea - Britain will be Islam Free
@@Gudha_Ismintis Let's hope so.
Aaron is spot on about MSM journalism.
Well done guys. You nailed this. I look forward to your views on what will happen with our new government.
Been waiting all day for your view! 😂😊
The Tory Party should be renamed
The tiny Party.
tiny joke from a tiny little girl
@@Gudha_Ismintis that a tiny mind can't take.
@@Gudha_Ismintis Bjp's are crying because their man Sunak has been humiliatingly dismissed from power.
The people’s vote have been neutralized.We the people have resorted to voting against candidates we dislike instead of voting for candidates that we like.
Labour won 64% of parliament from 20% of the electorate.
Yes, That's the nature of the current electoral system. If you don't like it, then campaign to change it.
Vote for people not for parties! We've learnt they all lie!
FTPT system doesn't allow you to.
vote for people - get 'aloha snackbar' types
100%
Politicians are all liars