I think that the true test here is how much you enjoy shooting this carbine. When a gun shoots well, it makes even a grown man smile. That looks like a nice, handy little package.
And, to expand on your point a little bit, if a gun is fun to shoot you're more likely to practice with it and become proficient. Thanks for your comment
Yes. Even though 10 mm doesn't come in a +P variation I think it would be exciting to the extreme! My son built a 10 mm carbine. It has a delayed opening breach. I think I'm going to have to order some premium ammo and compare these two guns.
Another great video! I really like the carbine length guns. I used to have a Keltec in 9mm. Fun to shoot but like all toys it had to be replaced with something bigger and better. However, I believe they have a place in every shooters arsenal.
Perfect video. This information is exactly what I was looking for. I even searched for this information on plus p ammo in 45acp through this gun. Amazing performance
George - thank you for showing us the inside of the receiver and that 2 part bolt. I was wondering why the receiver extended so far forward and now I know! I already knew I wanted one of these before your video dropped.
@@TargetSuitehi George - I asked about one of these at my Cabela’s yesterday. The salesman told me they didn’t have one but might have the 5-7 version to look at. Then he came out of the back with the 45 😎 A couple of initial observations: takedown for cleaning is *really* easy, plus there’s a hole for your cleaning rod in the back of the receiver when you remove the stock. (Yes - I read manuals like you.) Also, I had an angled fore grip from Magpul on hand so put it on. I find that really helpful for putting my left hand consistently forward of the charging handle and also helps with the somewhat forward weight distribution of the rifle. That 2-piece bolt is a chunky monkey!
Another great job, George! Cool gun. The .45 ACP bullets just are not constructed for those velocities being that's not their purpose until you get to the solids or all copper. Either of those you showed at the end would be exceptional. I think that platform in 10mm would be the ticket. 10mm bullets seemed to be designed to handle the higher velocities and the solid offerings should should be flat shooting dynamite!! Off topic I did get the new Marlin 1894 in .44 mag in January and I am in love with it!! Skinner Express Black Gold peep and it really likes the Hornady XTP 240 with 23 grains of H110. I need to chronograph it yet. Hopefully close to 1800 fps. Thanks again for your great videos!
@@TargetSuite Guns Magazine just published a article by Tank Hoover on the 1894 .44 mag with the same Skinner sight I bought. He was getting some impressive velocities with 300 grain gas checked hardcast bullets using H110. My next experiment!! Hope you have great weather this weekend. Rainy here in north Idaho.
@@TargetSuite Guns Magazine just published an article by Tank Hoover on the 1894 Classic .44 like mine with the same Skinner sights! He is getting impressive velocities with 300 grain hardcast gas checked bullets and H110. My next experiment! Hope you have a great weekend with good weather down there. Rainy here in north Idaho.
Well, I can say without a doubt, my enthusiasm for this gun in this video was real and organic. I liked the concept, but in practice, it really shined.
I was half tempted to email Rug3r last evening and ask if this LC Carbine can handle .45 Super or 450 SMC. Fantastic video, George. A lot of useful information compressed into an efficient and concise space. Well done.
@@aaronwilcox6417 It may handle the increased pressure. I am not certain. It was an idea I had. The external dimensions of these cartridges are identical to .45acp but they run thicker brass and higher pressure. With the boost of velocity you get from a carbine, who knows whether the construction of the projectiles used in .45 Super/SMC can handle the impact velocities without breaking apart.
Great to see you again out on that beautiful range! And the new dueling tree looks like tons of fun. Very detailed video and packed with lots of great info. Loved it! Thanks for all your work in bringing us another fun and informative video. And don't be such a stranger😊
I am thinking this could be a really good pest control (coyote, raccoons and pig) around my farm. Have you slugged the bore to find a nice cast load yet? Thanks for the work as always George!
@@TargetSuite The angle of the feed ramp on that carbine may have an affect on the feeding of 45 ACP caliber cast bullets. Just something to consider.
@@TargetSuite I agree with the poster below that the shape of the bullet might be problematic but it might be a fun experiment and if one were found to work well, I think it could be very effective. . Thanks again for the work
Great comparison! The Defender & BB Expander looked great. Maybe test them on a swine extermination program? The Ruger is pretty awesome. I enjoy the PC9 Carbine but that's a big jump in power with the 45acp. Thanks & take care. 👍🙏🇺🇸🎯
Thanks for your comment. As I noted in the video the FBI standard is 12 to 18 in. There were only two rounds that met that minimum standard. And those were the 160 grain tacxp bullet and the Underwood Ammo 135xd.
That has got to be one of the most comprehensive and unbiased reviews I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much. Subscribed and liked. Looking forward to future posts. Cheers
For sheer fun at the range, I absolutely love PCC's.😁 I looked hard at this offering but ultimately decided to not add another caliber to buy ammo for and stuck with 10mm. But I have the Ruger PC Charger and PC Carbine, both are an absolute blast and incredibly accurate.👊
Thanks George best video I’ve seen on that new Ruger 45 carbine! Curious to see how the Hornady critical duty 45 auto 220 grain +p load would hold up and penetrate in the ballistic gel test.
You know, I looked at a box of critical duty ammo this morning wondering if I should add it last minute to the video. But I decided that the Deep penetrating barrier resistant critical duty wasn't the right round for this test. But with further thought it makes me wonder if it would have been perfect and much more effective at a higher velocity. I may do a follow-up just with that round. Watch for my short form content.
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to future content! Thanks for the data sheet in the video, took a screenshot of it, as a former engineer I geek on data also🤓.
Good to hear from ya George . That +P from the 16" barrel has some impressive punch . I have a .44 Mag that only has a 4" barrel and to have more bite than that is impressive . I'm guessing from your comment on my last video your into the thermal also . It changed my night world . Having your shop in Houston when you have a little time you should check the ATN store out if you haven't already . Like I said good to hear from ya . Well be safe and have a blessed one my friend .
A 220 grain +p hard cast round nose flat point with about a 40% or larger meplat would also work very well. For home defense a hard cast full wadcutter would also do surprisingly well for 50 yard or less shots, it would have a very controllable penetration (adjustable by varying the load and/or changing the powder) and would have an excellent temp cavity iow it would likely do as well or better than most if not all of the store bought ammo.
It's so great to see your shining countenance again, George! It really is. That is definitely a great platform for home defense. In 10MM, it might make a great gun for bear country... or not. I do prefer .45-70 for beastly applications.
Contrary to popular belief, .45-caliber loads are a viable option for bear defense. The trick is that you need to select the right bullet, something that will penetrate deeply without breaking up. Because that is the name of the game when trying to take down the largest bears; they are very well-protected creatures and can absorb a lot of punishment. You need something capable of reaching the vital organs. Unless, of course, you plan on a head-shot. The 45 Auto/ACP loads which push into 10mm muzzle energy are probably fine for bear defense loads, provided yo use the right bullet. 10mm Auto gets used a lot these days in Alaska as a trail and bear defense sidearm. As an aside, if you want good 45-cal. power in a handgun, try 45 Super, 450 SMC or the mighty 460 Rowland. The 460 makes 44 Mag power out of a 45-caliber handgun, but you'll need the people at 460 Rowland to do the conversion of your handgun to set it up properly. Getting back to the Ruger LC carbine, feeding it +P ammo in 45 Auto/ACP ought to do the job as long as you select a high-quality premium hunting bullet designed for penetration. Hardcast lead works fine, too, but beware of leading of your barrel and action.
I do. And I have ordered an adapter for one of Austin's suppressors. I'm also thinking about getting one just for this gun since the lead time on a tax stamp is down to maybe as little as a few weeks.
I'm not pimping this weapon, but I just bought one and love it. I bought a few 26 round magazines and it worked great with them. I did have the receiver moved to the right from the left as it left the factory with.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Well done and some great info. I have a lot of love and curiosity for the 45acp 400 Corbon & 10MM. And especially in a rifle length barrel with hotter loads. That low level or std-ish 44mag and 45+P was surprising. Like some of the other replies I am really wanting to see the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm. It for sure seems to fill a niche in tactical & sporting rifles. A slightly lighter version in 10mm might just be an awesome back country pack gun. Or how about a full on tactical 10mm version with a lighter style 30 round drum. Dang this LC really is opening doors I think................
Mr. Target Suite that was a very informative video. I would not be Surprised if the 230gn +P would not be a good round for the Carbine....some of the rounds you used can be pricey for people like myself....would use those rounds demonstrated for hogs or deer ....hope I didn't miss you shooting the 230 gn fmj did I ??? Anyway. Thank you again and God Bless you Sir.
I have a feeling XTP rounds would be phenomenal in this carbine. They tend to under expand and over penetrate in standard handguns because they don't have enough velocity. I love XTP bullets in 44 mag.
Several people have commented on this carbine being a better fit as a 10mm! I agree, I have two 9mm carbines, it would be nice if they finally produced a 10mm/ .40 S&W version of the same carbine for less than a $1000.00 ? Say $725-$825? 😮
George--I REALLY appreciate the videos you produce, and all the work that goes into them!! You're a GOOD Man !! Is there any way you could do the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm the same as you did with the 45 ACP ??? If you do so, it would be an IDEAL comparison. I am seriously looking at both--not sure which way to go. Running them head-to-head in the video would not be necessary; simply comment as you go along how they compare in power, bullet speed, accuracy, recoil and the like. God Bless you, sir !! Dan from NE GA.
First time stumbling on your channel I can tell you… your channel is very refreshing!! Good informative and fun content!! Thank you! Btw.. I will get that ruger but in 5.7 Be safe!
I wonder if some homemade cast lead flat point bullets using medium softness lead would expand with that increased velocity. I've seen it happen with cast lead 44 mag bullets from a carbine.
If you watched any of my other stuff, you know I'm a lever gun fan. But this one stood out so much that I had to buy it and show it off on this channel.
Thanks for being late George. Just turned in all my brownie points (plus some) to get the old girl to buy me a 12ga Bull Pup. It gonna be years before I can buy that.
Good overview George. I’m always curious about the velocity gains in a carbine. Glad you tested that. I’d be casting up some 185 hard cast powder coated boolits for that carbine 😀. Question, do you still have that Rossi 92 44 mag?
Great suggestion on those 185 grain hard cast bullets. As to the Rossi, no. I sold that and the 18 inch stainless 357. I was so bummed by the time customer service got those two guns back to me I was ready to be done.
Cool! Thanks for the review and entertainment. I always enjoy your vids. The only problem is that I already have a Ruger PC in 9mm.... have you tested the +P+ rounds in that particular carbine? I doubt that the 9mm will get as much extra velocity given that it's already at a pretty high pressure with standard loads and is such a small capacity cartridge.
Thanks for your comment. I have not tested the +P+ 45cap loads. And after a call to Ruger yesterday I don't believe I ever will unless a new buffer spring and buffer pad are offered to handle the higher pressure of that and the 45 super ammo. By the way, I agree with your assessment of the 9mm in that being a smaller capacity I don't think it would get the same boost in power with a +P loading in this longer Barrel.
I do not own a Ruger LC Carbine in 45 auto, but I do own a AR45 and I have tested bullets that I reloaded that I would have no problem deer hunting. 230 grain HP at 1600 FPS. Do the math and FPS energy is 1307. However, I have modified it. I do want anyone to try this it was just an experiment and not ment for everyday shooting..lee in Maine!!! I would love to own a Ruger like this one, as Rugers rock!!!!
Bought the Ruger 57 four Summers ago, and thought- "Boy, wouldn't it be GREAT if Ruger offered a rifle in this caliber?" *VIOLA!* I now have these two paired as my EDC, and couldn't be happier! I hadn't realized I left-out the other HALF of my reply, till now... Apologies. I've never been a fan of the .45 ACP pistol (I trained with the venerable 1911 in the Marines, and I Qualified 'Expert' with it, but I've just never been comfortable with that pistol/caliber. That's just me. I have nothing but respect/admiration for the history of this platform/caliber, and would never try to throw shade at them!). AFTER purchasing and enjoying Ruger's 5.27 platforms, I've RECONSIDERED my stance on the .45 ACP. I appreciate your video and perspective(s), and wanted to offer a 'Thank YOU,' very much, for sharing them! :-D
@AniwayasSong - Re: "AFTER purchasing and enjoying Ruger's 5.27 platforms, I've RECONSIDERED my stance on the .45 ACP." You've highlighted an age-old debate within the hunting, defensive FA and tactical communities, namely "small, light and fast" projectiles versus "large, heavy and slow" ones. The modern idea is to use smaller cartridges which propel relatively lightweight projectiles to high muzzle velocities, i.e., such as in the 5.56x45mm NATO or the 5.7x28. The "old school" means of accomplishing the same mission however, is to launch a heavy, large diameter slug at relatively low MV to poke large-bore holes in the target. Remember, as an adjunct to this discussion, that the armed forces are limited to "Ball" or FMJ ammo, and cannot lawfully use HP or expanding ammo, whereas LE and private citizens can.... John Browning's creation of the M1911 pistol and its 230-gr. FMJ-RN bullet was driven by the fact that in the absence of HP ammo, a large-diameter slug moving fairly slowly stood the best chance of depositing most of its kinetic energy inside the target. Of course, in those days body armor was not a consideration for the vast majority of cases. As Elmer Keith said of the old cowboy round, the 255-grain slug from a 45 Colt, "It lets in a lot of air, and lets out a lot of blood..." He was referring to hunting, but it would also apply to AP use. The modern idea, however, is to use small, light and fast projectiles to do the job. The 5.7x28 is just one interpretation of that school of thought...
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 *OUTSTANDING* reply!!! 😀 Yes, I grew up listening to my 'Elders' (We were ALL very pro-2A/Hunting, and 'They' were mostly Vets who'd seen real shit, so had valuable perspectives about this topic. My personal single-most important goal in shooting is very simple: Accuracy. If I can hit what I'm aiming at/need to, then nearly any caliber will do significant/lethal damage (Or just perforate the lovely '10' circle?!). Most of my EDC is focused around the 5.56/9mm area, but I'd been eyeing the 5.7x28 since FN first brought out their wonderful pistol/carbine. Damned if they're not a BIT on the pricey side, and don't even get me started on the friggin' ammo?! *YIKES!* ;-) I do have, carry and use what I call my 'Artillery.' .44 Mag. and .12 (For when hiking/hunting in Apex Predator regions. I do NOT wish to become somethings meal). For EDC, when it's PEOPLE (Or perhaps their annoying ankle-biting mutants of the canine world?) who are the most-likely threat? Accuracy. Always accuracy, and smaller calibers are simply easier to shoot/follow up (For me.). Thx so much for reading and taking the time to share your views! Much appreciated!
@@AniwayasSong - You're very right: Accuracy comes first. A hit with 250 ft-lbs. of energy beats a miss with 500 ft-lbs. of energy, or hitting with that 380 Auto matters more than missing with a 10mm Auto or 357 Mag. Your line of thinking has also influenced hunters and outdoorsmen, too: For a long time, a big-bore revolver in 44 Magnum or even 454 Casull was standard equipment if you were outdoors in Alaska, but lately, guides and hunters are opting more for 10mm Auto handguns. They hold more shots, are lighter, and do not have as punishing recoil as some of the big-bore wheel guns. They give up some KE to the wheel-guns, but still have enough to get the job done. The light-and-fast vs. heavy-and-slow debate even entered into the decision-making process for what main gun should be used on what ultimately became the Abrams MBT. Two factions in the Pentagon; one in favor of a small-caliber weapon of extremely high MV, another in favor of a larger-bore weapon. They solved that riddle by opting for 105mm main gun at first, and later switching to a smooth-bore 120mm gun from Rheinmetall. The large-bore guys won out in the end. But I digress....
Yes, I watched the whole video, Yes, I smashed the like button, Yes, I thoroughly enjoy your content. I hope that helps your algorithms Sir! Please keep making content to make this grown man smile! Cheers, -Steve-
Hi George, your range is looking great! My son and I built a AR 9 for me about 6 years ago. It's a little on the heavy side I think,but my son says it's not LoL. I've been thinking about those Ruger PCs since they started coming out. Only in in 9mm as I like to keep PC revolvers and auto loader in same caliber also my rifles. So I'm a 22,357/38,and 9 mm man. I wonder George how does the PC hold up to the more pressure of the +p or the +p+? I'm impressed with that no rear sight shooting!
Hi Terry. Aside from the economy of 9 mm ammo , this gun makes a compelling argument for the guy just starting out to go 45 acp. But for someone who's steeped in 9 mm culture it wouldn't make sense, for most, to add a cartridge. I'm pretty sure they're going to come out with a 9 mm version of this real soon. If they do I'll try to get my hands on one just for you.
Hey, George! For some reason your new videos haven't been showing up in my UA-cam feed. I'm waiting for a quality PC Carbine in 10mm, preferably the Ruger since I have a bunch of Glock magazines.
I used to shoot a lot of .45 super hand loads out of my Olympic Arms .45 AR-15 carbine. Back then I didn't own a chronograph so I don't know what I was getting for velocity. I can tell you the difference in down range effect on target was astonishing compared to the 5" 1911. (This is with a 230gr XTP) What I do know is today, the same load is averaging right at 1200+/- from a 5" 1911 over my chronograph. Kind of makes me curious if the Ruger can digest such a load?
I'm pretty sure the answer would be no. At least not without a new spring and buffer pad. In any case, the difference between 45 super and the best of these plus P loads probably wouldn't be earth-shattering. But we'll never know, unless there's an aftermarket upgrade I could try.
Would love to see what a fmj ball round would do in the jello out of that carbine. I'm curious if it would penetrate more or less than out of a pistol.
That's a good question. Generally if a bullet goes faster it penetrates less. The physics of that is that the bullet only has so much energy and if it's moving fast then a lot of it used up making the ballistic gel expand
Great video! What ammo would you choose if you wanted to run the LC Carbine 45 suppressed for home defense? Would the carbine length have similar adverse effects on popular subsonic standard pressure ammo, as it did on those +P jacketed hollow points? Another video perhaps?
Hmmmm...... Okay, unless I didn't understand your data sheet, the numbers the .45 ACP beat over the. 44 Magnum were not apples to apples. The .44 Magnum in a carbine kind of kicks the lunch money out of the .45 ACP, twice on Sunday! That sad, this little carbine is pretty sweet-if it ever comes north of the 49th!
Thanks for your comment. I certainly wasn't trying to compare the 45 ACP plus P with the 44 Magnum on an even playing field. I just brought up the 44 Magnum revolver because everyone understands how powerful that is compared to a 45 Auto pistol or a 9mm pistol. But you are right in a carbine the 44 magnum really comes into its own.
I'm in the market for buying a centerfire rifle and the pistol cartridges 45acp and 9mm just don't seem to have enough stopping power. If you had a bull moose charging at you, would you rather have a pistol cartridge or something like a .308, 30 06, or a 556 Nato? I also don't really care for the AR type format. I'll be using the rifle that I purchase for hunting primarily. I can't imagine using a military type firearm to take down an unarmed wildebeest (at sarcasm). Thanks for the video though it was very informative.
That's a great question you pose there! First of all, regardless of what many will say, the 556 Nato round is not a hunting cartridge. And, most responsible hunters don't consider the 9mm or 45 ACP legitimate hunting cartridges either. So, to answer your question about your first hunting rifle, I would suggest a bolt action in 308 or even 7mm/08 which kicks less than the 308 and still has ample punch for deer size game. Now, if you're going to be hunting in the thick Woods then a lover gun like the new Marlin 336 chambered in 30-30 would also be a great option.
That's a great question! And my answer may surprise you. First of all, I love them both. But, for fit and finish, the nod goes to the Winchester. And, for how it feels in the hand, the nod also goes to the Winchester. But, the Marlin is not far behind in either category and the fact that you can mount an optic on it moves it to the front of the pack. I know, a lot of guys 🤮 over mounting an optic on a lever gun. But if you hunt in woods like I do, a scope is a necessity and it's just not practical to mount an optic on the Winchester 1892. So, if I had to choose only one , it would be the Marlin 1894 . Fortunately, I'm not forced to choose 😄 I hope that was helpful.
@@TargetSuite Yes that's exactly how I feel about my old Winchester vs my old Marlin and I got a feeling the new ones would be the same since both companies are trying their best to build faithful reproductions. Thanks!
I may first time viewer, and now I'm subscribed. I've always really very much like the looks of this little Ruger, but I've heard multiple different dislikes from different reviewers. Now that I've seen your video I am very interested again. I wonder if they make it in at 223?
I think that the true test here is how much you enjoy shooting this carbine. When a gun shoots well, it makes even a grown man smile. That looks like a nice, handy little package.
And, to expand on your point a little bit, if a gun is fun to shoot you're more likely to practice with it and become proficient. Thanks for your comment
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I’m not sure how I missed this video, George, but I like it! Thanks again for showing me around SHOT Show and introducing me to the Ruger guys!
You are welcome, Gregg!
Can you imagine if this came in 10MM...goodness, sign me up!
Yes. Even though 10 mm doesn't come in a +P variation I think it would be exciting to the extreme! My son built a 10 mm carbine. It has a delayed opening breach. I think I'm going to have to order some premium ammo and compare these two guns.
I wonder why they have not done it yet.
dont hold your breath!
@@TargetSuite 10mm comes in +P if you load your own. 😉 My loads push a 180gr Hornady XTP over 1300 fps out of my Glock 40 with a 6" barrel.
@@traystyles1because most pccs are blowback operated to stay cheap and simple. 10 mm would need a really heavy bolt, I think.
What an excellent carbine. It would be great as a truck gun or back country carbine.
Yes and a serious Contender to replace A handgun for home defense.
Or anything else that requires a hard hitting round. And he didn't mention it, but that big a** bolt removes almost all of the recoil,
Glad to see the plus p test in a 16” carbine.
It was quite an adventure. It sure answered a lot of questions that I had, to the positive.
Great little gun sir looks amazing and I must say that range is coming rite along and all those targets wow
Great video George and a nice 45 acp Carbine to ,thanks Slim.
As always, thanks for stopping by!
I've always like the 185 grain jhp in my 45. But some of these new solid copper loads surpass the 185 gr with flying colors. Great video George!!
Thanks!
When I heard about the LC Carbine in 45ACP I immediately thought it was right up your alley, so I'm glad to see you got one and you're enjoying it.
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I have looked at the PC9, but the 45 was very impressive with the velocities you were getting.
And a lot "handier" also, in my opinion
Another great video! I really like the carbine length guns. I used to have a Keltec in 9mm. Fun to shoot but like all toys it had to be replaced with something bigger and better.
However, I believe they have a place in every shooters arsenal.
Thanks Paul!
Perfect video. This information is exactly what I was looking for. I even searched for this information on plus p ammo in 45acp through this gun. Amazing performance
Thanks!
George - thank you for showing us the inside of the receiver and that 2 part bolt. I was wondering why the receiver extended so far forward and now I know! I already knew I wanted one of these before your video dropped.
👍 thanks for watching!
@@TargetSuitehi George - I asked about one of these at my Cabela’s yesterday. The salesman told me they didn’t have one but might have the 5-7 version to look at. Then he came out of the back with the 45 😎
A couple of initial observations: takedown for cleaning is *really* easy, plus there’s a hole for your cleaning rod in the back of the receiver when you remove the stock. (Yes - I read manuals like you.) Also, I had an angled fore grip from Magpul on hand so put it on. I find that really helpful for putting my left hand consistently forward of the charging handle and also helps with the somewhat forward weight distribution of the rifle. That 2-piece bolt is a chunky monkey!
Now there’s a gun that’s made to last . Lovely looking also . Love watching you all the way from Northern Ireland UK . 👍
Wow! Thanks for watching!
Another great job, George! Cool gun. The .45 ACP bullets just are not constructed for those velocities being that's not their purpose until you get to the solids or all copper. Either of those you showed at the end would be exceptional. I think that platform in 10mm would be the ticket. 10mm bullets seemed to be designed to handle the higher velocities and the solid offerings should should be flat shooting dynamite!! Off topic I did get the new Marlin 1894 in .44 mag in January and I am in love with it!! Skinner Express Black Gold peep and it really likes the Hornady XTP 240 with 23 grains of H110. I need to chronograph it yet. Hopefully close to 1800 fps. Thanks again for your great videos!
Thanks for watching! And I appreciate your comment, especially the news about the 1894. What a fantastic gun you have there.
@@TargetSuite Guns Magazine just published a article by Tank Hoover on the 1894 .44 mag with the same Skinner sight I bought. He was getting some impressive velocities with 300 grain gas checked hardcast bullets using H110. My next experiment!! Hope you have great weather this weekend. Rainy here in north Idaho.
@@TargetSuite Guns Magazine just published an article by Tank Hoover on the 1894 Classic .44 like mine with the same Skinner sights! He is getting impressive velocities with 300 grain hardcast gas checked bullets and H110. My next experiment! Hope you have a great weekend with good weather down there. Rainy here in north Idaho.
Thank you ive been interested in a .45 pcc for a while 👍 I feel i can trust your opinion. We have similar tastes especially with leverguns
Well, I can say without a doubt, my enthusiasm for this gun in this video was real and organic. I liked the concept, but in practice, it really shined.
Welcome back! Good to see you again. Keep videos coming.👍
Thanks!
I was half tempted to email Rug3r last evening and ask if this LC Carbine can handle .45 Super or 450 SMC.
Fantastic video, George. A lot of useful information compressed into an efficient and concise space. Well done.
Thanks!
I agree with this. Ruger missed the boat by not coming out with this 45super or smc capable.
@@aaronwilcox6417 It may handle the increased pressure. I am not certain. It was an idea I had. The external dimensions of these cartridges are identical to .45acp but they run thicker brass and higher pressure. With the boost of velocity you get from a carbine, who knows whether the construction of the projectiles used in .45 Super/SMC can handle the impact velocities without breaking apart.
solid simple direct reviews that I appreciate thanks for not wasting everyone’s time sir
Great to see you again out on that beautiful range! And the new dueling tree looks like tons of fun. Very detailed video and packed with lots of great info. Loved it! Thanks for all your work in bringing us another fun and informative video. And don't be such a stranger😊
Thanks! It's always fun to post a new video. This one was especially challenging and rewarding.
This was a very informative video; I really like how you tested different kinds of bullets at that increased speed. Very well thought out - thank you.
Thanks for watching. It was really a fun video to make.
I am thinking this could be a really good pest control (coyote, raccoons and pig) around my farm. Have you slugged the bore to find a nice cast load yet? Thanks for the work as always George!
Thanks for your comment and you raise a good question about cast bullets. But I have no experience with cast bullets in a semi-auto rifle or pistol.
@@TargetSuite The angle of the feed ramp on that carbine may have an affect on the feeding of 45 ACP caliber cast bullets. Just something to consider.
@@TargetSuite I agree with the poster below that the shape of the bullet might be problematic but it might be a fun experiment and if one were found to work well, I think it could be very effective. . Thanks again for the work
Underwood and Buffalo Bore both have some hardcast loads that look pretty good.
Thanks!!! That was a great detailed and professional video.
Great comparison! The Defender & BB Expander looked great. Maybe test them on a swine extermination program? The Ruger is pretty awesome. I enjoy the PC9 Carbine but that's a big jump in power with the 45acp. Thanks & take care. 👍🙏🇺🇸🎯
To your point, I think that little carbine, along with either of those two solid copper rounds, would be perfectly adequate to bring home the bacon!
@@TargetSuiteGood old homemade sausage with gravy biscuits. Population control🐗
I had actually forgot Ruger brought this out. Thanks for the reminder and data
You are welcome. Were you as surprised as I was at the power level?
@@TargetSuiteYes that is rather surprising!
The bullets that failed were still wide open? What degree of penetration do you consider adequate? Carbine looks great! Going after the Keltec S 2000.
Thanks for your comment. As I noted in the video the FBI standard is 12 to 18 in. There were only two rounds that met that minimum standard. And those were the 160 grain tacxp bullet and the Underwood Ammo 135xd.
Good stuff! Any plans to test hardcast and fmj ? For walking in the woods.
That has got to be one of the most comprehensive and unbiased reviews I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much. Subscribed and liked. Looking forward to future posts. Cheers
Wow this was very interesting results, love all 45, 45-70, 45 lg, hahah thanks and take care!
You are welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
Damn...great video. Like the new format. Love those lever actions but, this was great.
Thanks! And, no worries! Lever guns will always be my focus😉
For sheer fun at the range, I absolutely love PCC's.😁 I looked hard at this offering but ultimately decided to not add another caliber to buy ammo for and stuck with 10mm. But I have the Ruger PC Charger and PC Carbine, both are an absolute blast and incredibly accurate.👊
Great video, love those extreme defender rounds
Amen to that! That 135 grain bullet chambered for 45 Colt was a screamer. I seem to recall velocities were pushing 2600+!
@@TargetSuite yessir, that's about what my chronograph showed too
would make a sweet bedside companion and a nice truck gun !
Amen!
The best review I've seen from this weapon.
Greetings from Cuba.
Thanks! Finally useful ballistic information about the LC. Would have liked to see some accuracy info too at 50-150 yards.
Thanks for watching, and thank you for your comment. I'll be doing some accuracy work when I compare this with the 10mm carbine.
Thanks George best video I’ve seen on that new Ruger 45 carbine! Curious to see how the Hornady critical duty 45 auto 220 grain +p load would hold up and penetrate in the ballistic gel test.
You know, I looked at a box of critical duty ammo this morning wondering if I should add it last minute to the video. But I decided that the Deep penetrating barrier resistant critical duty wasn't the right round for this test. But with further thought it makes me wonder if it would have been perfect and much more effective at a higher velocity. I may do a follow-up just with that round. Watch for my short form content.
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to future content! Thanks for the data sheet in the video, took a screenshot of it, as a former engineer I geek on data also🤓.
Opinions are almost irrelevant when you have "the data"😀
Good to hear from ya George . That +P from the 16" barrel has some impressive punch . I have a .44 Mag that only has a 4" barrel
and to have more bite than that is impressive . I'm guessing from your comment on my last video your into the thermal also . It
changed my night world . Having your shop in Houston when you have a little time you should check the ATN store out if you haven't
already . Like I said good to hear from ya . Well be safe and have a blessed one my friend .
I just found this out the other day I am excited to look into this.
Great vid. with alot of great info. 👍😁👍 I've had my LC 45ACP Carbine almost 3 months now. Lov'in it. Great little gun.
same here!
A 220 grain +p hard cast round nose flat point with about a 40% or larger meplat would also work very well. For home defense a hard cast full wadcutter would also do surprisingly well for 50 yard or less shots, it would have a very controllable penetration (adjustable by varying the load and/or changing the powder) and would have an excellent temp cavity iow it would likely do as well or better than most if not all of the store bought ammo.
It's so great to see your shining countenance again, George! It really is.
That is definitely a great platform for home defense. In 10MM, it might make a great gun for bear country... or not. I do prefer .45-70 for beastly applications.
Thanks, Tom!
Contrary to popular belief, .45-caliber loads are a viable option for bear defense. The trick is that you need to select the right bullet, something that will penetrate deeply without breaking up. Because that is the name of the game when trying to take down the largest bears; they are very well-protected creatures and can absorb a lot of punishment. You need something capable of reaching the vital organs. Unless, of course, you plan on a head-shot.
The 45 Auto/ACP loads which push into 10mm muzzle energy are probably fine for bear defense loads, provided yo use the right bullet. 10mm Auto gets used a lot these days in Alaska as a trail and bear defense sidearm.
As an aside, if you want good 45-cal. power in a handgun, try 45 Super, 450 SMC or the mighty 460 Rowland. The 460 makes 44 Mag power out of a 45-caliber handgun, but you'll need the people at 460 Rowland to do the conversion of your handgun to set it up properly.
Getting back to the Ruger LC carbine, feeding it +P ammo in 45 Auto/ACP ought to do the job as long as you select a high-quality premium hunting bullet designed for penetration. Hardcast lead works fine, too, but beware of leading of your barrel and action.
Great Video George, Welcome Back. Please Be Careful Shooting The Steel So Close.
Thanks for the heads up. I think I am well outside of the danger zone with a pistol caliper round.
George: while I find nearly all your videos very informative, this one was even more so. Thanks for the research!!
Thanks! I really appreciate your comment!
Nice video . Looks amazing and 45acp power. Range looks nice.
Thanks!
Well balanced , easier to stay on target. Impressive results with the unleaded ammo.
Amen! It was impressive!
Great video George This one is one my list for sure
Chris, it's definitely a keeper!
@@TargetSuite Do you have any interest in putting a silencer on it?? I always thought it be a good fit
I do. And I have ordered an adapter for one of Austin's suppressors. I'm also thinking about getting one just for this gun since the lead time on a tax stamp is down to maybe as little as a few weeks.
@@TargetSuite that would be awesome
I'm not pimping this weapon, but I just bought one and love it. I bought a few 26 round magazines and it worked great with them. I did have the receiver moved to the right from the left as it left the factory with.
Great setup george ! 🎯💯
Thanks!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Well done and some great info. I have a lot of love and curiosity for the 45acp 400 Corbon & 10MM. And especially in a rifle length barrel with hotter loads. That low level or std-ish 44mag and 45+P was surprising. Like some of the other replies I am really wanting to see the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm. It for sure seems to fill a niche in tactical & sporting rifles. A slightly lighter version in 10mm might just be an awesome back country pack gun. Or how about a full on tactical 10mm version with a lighter style 30 round drum. Dang this LC really is opening doors I think................
Mr. Target Suite that was a very informative video. I would not be Surprised if the 230gn +P would not be a good round for the Carbine....some of the rounds you used can be pricey for people like myself....would use those rounds demonstrated for hogs or deer ....hope I didn't miss you shooting the 230 gn fmj did I ??? Anyway. Thank you again and God Bless you Sir.
I did shoot the 230 grain jacketed hollow point but not the full metal jacket.
Another good video !
Thanks!
I have a feeling XTP rounds would be phenomenal in this carbine. They tend to under expand and over penetrate in standard handguns because they don't have enough velocity. I love XTP bullets in 44 mag.
Several people have commented on this carbine being a better fit as a 10mm! I agree, I have two 9mm carbines, it would be nice if they finally produced a 10mm/ .40 S&W version of the same carbine for less than a $1000.00 ? Say $725-$825? 😮
George--I REALLY appreciate the videos you produce, and all the work that goes into them!! You're a GOOD Man !! Is there any way you could do the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm the same as you did with the 45 ACP ??? If you do so, it would be an IDEAL comparison. I am seriously looking at both--not sure which way to go. Running them head-to-head in the video would not be necessary; simply comment as you go along how they compare in power, bullet speed, accuracy, recoil and the like. God Bless you, sir !! Dan from NE GA.
Good job, George. May have to play with one of those.
Be careful. It might put a smile on your face.
Very impressive from a .45 ACP Carbine ‼️
Amen!
Welcome back! Missed you. The Cowboy Action Shooting will help with the target shooting.
Hi ken. I really missed being here as well. But what a fun video to make. Right in my wheelhouse, with all of the "forensics".
First time stumbling on your channel
I can tell you… your channel is very refreshing!!
Good informative and fun content!!
Thank you!
Btw.. I will get that ruger but in 5.7
Be safe!
Awesome cool video. Is this Ruger considered a long gun when you go to buy it? Thumbs up to your videos.
Yes. It looks like a short barrel rifle, but that is because of the bolt and magazine configuration.
I wonder if some homemade cast lead flat point bullets using medium softness lead would expand with that increased velocity. I've seen it happen with cast lead 44 mag bullets from a carbine.
That's a good question. I'm not sure if the medium soft lead bullet would deform going into the chamber?
First time I've seen this pc carbine. I've gotta say I like it!
If you watched any of my other stuff, you know I'm a lever gun fan. But this one stood out so much that I had to buy it and show it off on this channel.
Thanks for sharing.............I like that rifle
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Great video. Thank you so much. I’m torn between the 45 and 10 mm.
Thanks for being late George. Just turned in all my brownie points (plus some) to get the old girl to buy me a 12ga Bull Pup. It gonna be years before I can buy that.
Man I'm sorry! But looking at the bright side that means you'll have the Bullpup and the LC carbine. Just not right away😃
Good overview George. I’m always curious about the velocity gains in a carbine. Glad you tested that. I’d be casting up some 185 hard cast powder coated boolits for that carbine 😀. Question, do you still have that Rossi 92 44 mag?
Great suggestion on those 185 grain hard cast bullets. As to the Rossi, no. I sold that and the 18 inch stainless 357. I was so bummed by the time customer service got those two guns back to me I was ready to be done.
They new 10mm version is incredible!
Cool! Thanks for the review and entertainment. I always enjoy your vids. The only problem is that I already have a Ruger PC in 9mm.... have you tested the +P+ rounds in that particular carbine? I doubt that the 9mm will get as much extra velocity given that it's already at a pretty high pressure with standard loads and is such a small capacity cartridge.
Thanks for your comment. I have not tested the +P+ 45cap loads. And after a call to Ruger yesterday I don't believe I ever will unless a new buffer spring and buffer pad are offered to handle the higher pressure of that and the 45 super ammo. By the way, I agree with your assessment of the 9mm in that being a smaller capacity I don't think it would get the same boost in power with a +P loading in this longer Barrel.
Looks like great stuff George. Thanks for the info.👍😃✌️🇺🇸💪
You are welcome. Thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
Nice. I have to look in to that. Thanks.
I think it's worth a look, for sure. Thanks for watching!
Awesome breakdown. Looks very interesting 🤔
Thanks!
Great presentation!
Thank you kindly!
This carbine must be good because a lever action gun owner liking it speaks volumes
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the hard cast bullets from both underwood, and buffalo bore would have penetrated well.
I do not own a Ruger LC Carbine in 45 auto, but I do own a AR45 and I have tested bullets that I reloaded that I would have no problem deer hunting. 230 grain HP at 1600 FPS. Do the math and FPS energy is 1307. However, I have modified it. I do want anyone to try this it was just an experiment and not ment for everyday shooting..lee in Maine!!! I would love to own a Ruger like this one, as Rugers rock!!!!
Thanks for your comment Lee. And I agree with you, Ruger makes some great guns and this 45 LC carbine is a good one!
Bought the Ruger 57 four Summers ago, and thought- "Boy, wouldn't it be GREAT if Ruger offered a rifle in this caliber?"
*VIOLA!*
I now have these two paired as my EDC, and couldn't be happier!
I hadn't realized I left-out the other HALF of my reply, till now... Apologies.
I've never been a fan of the .45 ACP pistol (I trained with the venerable 1911 in the Marines, and I Qualified 'Expert' with it, but I've just never been comfortable with that pistol/caliber. That's just me. I have nothing but respect/admiration for the history of this platform/caliber, and would never try to throw shade at them!).
AFTER purchasing and enjoying Ruger's 5.27 platforms, I've RECONSIDERED my stance on the .45 ACP.
I appreciate your video and perspective(s), and wanted to offer a 'Thank YOU,' very much, for sharing them!
:-D
@AniwayasSong - Re: "AFTER purchasing and enjoying Ruger's 5.27 platforms, I've RECONSIDERED my stance on the .45 ACP."
You've highlighted an age-old debate within the hunting, defensive FA and tactical communities, namely "small, light and fast" projectiles versus "large, heavy and slow" ones.
The modern idea is to use smaller cartridges which propel relatively lightweight projectiles to high muzzle velocities, i.e., such as in the 5.56x45mm NATO or the 5.7x28. The "old school" means of accomplishing the same mission however, is to launch a heavy, large diameter slug at relatively low MV to poke large-bore holes in the target.
Remember, as an adjunct to this discussion, that the armed forces are limited to "Ball" or FMJ ammo, and cannot lawfully use HP or expanding ammo, whereas LE and private citizens can....
John Browning's creation of the M1911 pistol and its 230-gr. FMJ-RN bullet was driven by the fact that in the absence of HP ammo, a large-diameter slug moving fairly slowly stood the best chance of depositing most of its kinetic energy inside the target. Of course, in those days body armor was not a consideration for the vast majority of cases.
As Elmer Keith said of the old cowboy round, the 255-grain slug from a 45 Colt, "It lets in a lot of air, and lets out a lot of blood..." He was referring to hunting, but it would also apply to AP use.
The modern idea, however, is to use small, light and fast projectiles to do the job. The 5.7x28 is just one interpretation of that school of thought...
@@GeorgiaBoy1961
*OUTSTANDING* reply!!!
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Yes, I grew up listening to my 'Elders' (We were ALL very pro-2A/Hunting, and 'They' were mostly Vets who'd seen real shit, so had valuable perspectives about this topic.
My personal single-most important goal in shooting is very simple: Accuracy. If I can hit what I'm aiming at/need to, then nearly any caliber will do significant/lethal damage (Or just perforate the lovely '10' circle?!).
Most of my EDC is focused around the 5.56/9mm area, but I'd been eyeing the 5.7x28 since FN first brought out their wonderful pistol/carbine. Damned if they're not a BIT on the pricey side, and don't even get me started on the friggin' ammo?! *YIKES!* ;-)
I do have, carry and use what I call my 'Artillery.' .44 Mag. and .12 (For when hiking/hunting in Apex Predator regions. I do NOT wish to become somethings meal).
For EDC, when it's PEOPLE (Or perhaps their annoying ankle-biting mutants of the canine world?) who are the most-likely threat?
Accuracy. Always accuracy, and smaller calibers are simply easier to shoot/follow up (For me.).
Thx so much for reading and taking the time to share your views!
Much appreciated!
@@AniwayasSong - You're very right: Accuracy comes first. A hit with 250 ft-lbs. of energy beats a miss with 500 ft-lbs. of energy, or hitting with that 380 Auto matters more than missing with a 10mm Auto or 357 Mag.
Your line of thinking has also influenced hunters and outdoorsmen, too: For a long time, a big-bore revolver in 44 Magnum or even 454 Casull was standard equipment if you were outdoors in Alaska, but lately, guides and hunters are opting more for 10mm Auto handguns. They hold more shots, are lighter, and do not have as punishing recoil as some of the big-bore wheel guns. They give up some KE to the wheel-guns, but still have enough to get the job done.
The light-and-fast vs. heavy-and-slow debate even entered into the decision-making process for what main gun should be used on what ultimately became the Abrams MBT. Two factions in the Pentagon; one in favor of a small-caliber weapon of extremely high MV, another in favor of a larger-bore weapon. They solved that riddle by opting for 105mm main gun at first, and later switching to a smooth-bore 120mm gun from Rheinmetall. The large-bore guys won out in the end. But I digress....
Me: I am done with .45 ACP and PCCs.
Ruger: You sure about that? You SURE about that??!?!
Haha!
Thank you! I would also have liked to see what the 230fmj in the gel.
Interesting question. My guess is that it would show very deep penetration and not as much upset in the gel block.
Thanks George!
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Your voice is an exact match to Mike Huckabee
Haha!
Yes, I watched the whole video, Yes, I smashed the like button, Yes, I thoroughly enjoy your content. I hope that helps your algorithms Sir! Please keep making content to make this grown man smile! Cheers, -Steve-
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
@@TargetSuite My pleasure Sir! Love your content!
Great info, thanks
You are welcome. Thank you for watching!
Accurate, powerful and strong.
Yes sir, it is!
Hi George, your range is looking great! My son and I built a AR 9 for me about 6 years ago. It's a little on the heavy side I think,but my son says it's not LoL.
I've been thinking about those Ruger PCs since they started coming out. Only in in 9mm as I like to keep PC revolvers and auto loader in same caliber also my rifles. So I'm a 22,357/38,and 9 mm man. I wonder George how does the PC hold up to the more pressure of the +p or the +p+? I'm impressed with that no rear sight shooting!
Hi Terry. Aside from the economy of 9 mm ammo , this gun makes a compelling argument for the guy just starting out to go 45 acp. But for someone who's steeped in 9 mm culture it wouldn't make sense, for most, to add a cartridge. I'm pretty sure they're going to come out with a 9 mm version of this real soon. If they do I'll try to get my hands on one just for you.
@@TargetSuite I appreciate that George. Long time ago I was into 45 colt revolver and carbine, but sold them when ammo price got crazy.
Hey, George! For some reason your new videos haven't been showing up in my UA-cam feed. I'm waiting for a quality PC Carbine in 10mm, preferably the Ruger since I have a bunch of Glock magazines.
Thank! VERY interesting!
You're welcome!
I used to shoot a lot of .45 super hand loads out of my Olympic Arms .45 AR-15 carbine. Back then I didn't own a chronograph so I don't know what I was getting for velocity. I can tell you the difference in down range effect on target was astonishing compared to the 5" 1911. (This is with a 230gr XTP) What I do know is today, the same load is averaging right at 1200+/- from a 5" 1911 over my chronograph. Kind of makes me curious if the Ruger can digest such a load?
I'm pretty sure the answer would be no. At least not without a new spring and buffer pad. In any case, the difference between 45 super and the best of these plus P loads probably wouldn't be earth-shattering. But we'll never know, unless there's an aftermarket upgrade I could try.
Would love to see what a fmj ball round would do in the jello out of that carbine. I'm curious if it would penetrate more or less than out of a pistol.
That's a good question. Generally if a bullet goes faster it penetrates less. The physics of that is that the bullet only has so much energy and if it's moving fast then a lot of it used up making the ballistic gel expand
Great review and ammo test, thank you for sharing!
Great video! What ammo would you choose if you wanted to run the LC Carbine 45 suppressed for home defense? Would the carbine length have similar adverse effects on popular subsonic standard pressure ammo, as it did on those +P jacketed hollow points? Another video perhaps?
Love the idea of a 9mm +P carbine. Really wish it was in something other than a direct blowback. Love dbb in a pistol like it less in a carbine.
Liking this carbine. 👍
Great gun. SGM also makes a 26 round magazine that you can get for $20.
Hmmmm......
Okay, unless I didn't understand your data sheet, the numbers the .45 ACP beat over the. 44 Magnum were not apples to apples.
The .44 Magnum in a carbine kind of kicks the lunch money out of the .45 ACP, twice on Sunday!
That sad, this little carbine is pretty sweet-if it ever comes north of the 49th!
Thanks for your comment. I certainly wasn't trying to compare the 45 ACP plus P with the 44 Magnum on an even playing field. I just brought up the 44 Magnum revolver because everyone understands how powerful that is compared to a 45 Auto pistol or a 9mm pistol. But you are right in a carbine the 44 magnum really comes into its own.
@@TargetSuite ah! Ok, the context is a little hard to properly show sometimes! That does make more sense.
Very good informative video! Thank you for sharing.
I'm in the market for buying a centerfire rifle and the pistol cartridges 45acp and 9mm just don't seem to have enough stopping power. If you had a bull moose charging at you, would you rather have a pistol cartridge or something like a .308, 30 06, or a 556 Nato? I also don't really care for the AR type format. I'll be using the rifle that I purchase for hunting primarily. I can't imagine using a military type firearm to take down an unarmed wildebeest (at sarcasm).
Thanks for the video though it was very informative.
That's a great question you pose there! First of all, regardless of what many will say, the 556 Nato round is not a hunting cartridge. And, most responsible hunters don't consider the 9mm or 45 ACP legitimate hunting cartridges either.
So, to answer your question about your first hunting rifle, I would suggest a bolt action in 308 or even 7mm/08 which kicks less than the 308 and still has ample punch for deer size game. Now, if you're going to be hunting in the thick Woods then a lover gun like the new Marlin 336 chambered in 30-30 would also be a great option.
For two legged predators invading your home & endangering your family-look no further. For a hunting rifle, much better choices.
Which rifle do you prefer, the Winchester Miroku made model 1892 in 44 magnum or the new Ruger made Marlin 1894 in 44 magnum? Thanks!
That's a great question! And my answer may surprise you. First of all, I love them both. But, for fit and finish, the nod goes to the Winchester. And, for how it feels in the hand, the nod also goes to the Winchester. But, the Marlin is not far behind in either category and the fact that you can mount an optic on it moves it to the front of the pack. I know, a lot of guys 🤮 over mounting an optic on a lever gun. But if you hunt in woods like I do, a scope is a necessity and it's just not practical to mount an optic on the Winchester 1892. So, if I had to choose only one , it would be the Marlin 1894 . Fortunately, I'm not forced to choose 😄 I hope that was helpful.
@@TargetSuite Yes that's exactly how I feel about my old Winchester vs my old Marlin and I got a feeling the new ones would be the same since both companies are trying their best to build faithful reproductions. Thanks!
I may first time viewer, and now I'm subscribed. I've always really very much like the looks of this little Ruger, but I've heard multiple different dislikes from different reviewers. Now that I've seen your video I am very interested again. I wonder if they make it in at 223?
The other version of the LC Carbine is in 5.7x28 FN, which is a sort of .223 "Lite" if you catch my meaning...
Great Review, Thank you!
Another great video, thank you!
Great content as usual. I wonder if any of my local shops can NY'ize this model. I'd pick it up since I like .45 ACP. Time to ask around.