Usually people with bad media literacy have trouble understanding the subtext or themes and view everything through a literal strictly textual lens. But this guy just, can't follow the actual text.
A few of these are about subtext or things that could be subtext, like how brutus was lying when he said caesar was like his father, or that Brutus’ mom is manipulative and he is morally weak. That’s stuff you have to pick up on through implication. And when he’s confused about the “good guy” and “bad guy” it’s because he’s confused that a movie could even have a theme OTHER than good guy vs bad guy.
@@emmasolis9106 "like how brutus was lying when he said caesar was like his father" Only if you take the scene in isolation. When, as said, the previous scene showed him planning to kill Caesar, it's not an implication that he's lying, it's an outright fact directly shown to you.
SHOW DONT TELL god I can’t even begin to get started on how the new Avatar show dumbs down the world building to spoken lines like we’re all 4 years old
I swear it feels like I’m the only one out of everyone I know who even notices it too. Like no one is actively thinking about the quality of the dialogue they’re listening to
@@christiansanders1 FOR REAL!! Like how can people watch these?! It's one of the reasons I prefer book most of the time. Nothing turns me off something more than being talked to like an idiot that can't follow a storyline without it being hand fed to me scene by scene
This guy should be friends with the Average Redditor. This guy doesn't understand anything while the Average Redditor is going to explain every single little nuance of the film.
God, theyd love eachother, menace to everyone else but in their own bubble? Pure love. Redditor could explain his little heart away, this guy would just be happy someone took the time and occasionally go "oh my gosh you are so smart, I would never have gotten that". Match made in hell.
There's a video analysis about mother Gothel that explores in detail every single messed up thing in her treatment and gaslighting of Rapunzel. I think it was on Cinema Therapy channel.
I love that you actually voiced those lines instead of playing the movie. You might say it’s for copyright purposes, but I know - it’s because u wanted to.
I think the worst is when you both watch a movie for the first time and they keep asking basic questions that will probably be answered during the movie. "Are they a couple or just friends??? Why did he hide that watch???". Bro we're at the first scene, fucking chill.
I once asked strangers on a forum for feedback on a fictional story I was working on. I shared the opening few scenes with them, and most of them were kind and helpful. Then there was one person exactly like the type you're talking about. "Why are these two characters who don't get along still working together? Who's the mysterious figure you mentioned?" That's the point of reading a story, isn't it, my guy?
@@sweetiesgetmoney I swear that's beyond media literacy at this point lmao. At the very least in your case you have the answers. Like when you watch a movie for the first why tf you ask me those questions like i've made the fucking movie?
I watched The Truman Show with some buds and one of them as the credits rolled said "So...what's the Truman Show? Whys it called that?" I don't remember the guy being on his phone or anything. I do not know what his thoughts were of what was happening during the movie.
@@paigeepleruh, no! I mean, Macbeth has the unique trait of immunity vs men born of women, so CLEARLY he would win! Caesar, on the other hand, COULD defeat Macbeth, and since they all take place in the same universe (the William S. Extended) you can see it works in a Brutus kills Caesar kills Macbeth kills Brutus (who can also kill Brutus) system not unlike fire emblem’s weapon advantage. On this scale then, then, Tybalt and Mercutio fail on a lower tier, with Tybalt…
@@themindeclectic9821fuck no they don't. You must be one of the 2 idiots that belong to Cinema Sins. Your false pride and misplaced ego won't allow others to talk shit about Cinema Sins.
10 mins in: “Who is that?” I don’t know. This is the first time we’ve ever seen or heard about this character. 2 hrs in: “Who is that?” Literally one of the main characters.
I am often like that whenever there are more than two men with short brown hair that are basically the same level of nice/smart/important to the story.
My father relates to Walter White and told me that when Jane died he was happy because she had the nerve to threaten Walt and his family (his masculinity) My dad's actually a smart guy with a creative writing degree, just a raging narcissist and misogynist
The man offered an 80 million dollar bribe to spare hanks life after he was determined to destroy walt. After Jessie doused his house with gas he was offended at the suggestion of killing him and genuinely wanted to talk and explain to Jesse. His cheating wife gave his fortune that he risked his life for to her affair partner and not only does he not have her killed, he keeps her around and pays all the bills like normal. Instead of simply giving Brock the ricin, he carefully gave him something else that mimicked the symptoms without killing him. When Jesse was using heroin he withheld his money until his hand was forced, then paid for his rehab. When he could have simply ducked, he tacked Jesse to the ground out of the line of fire of the machine gun. When Jesse wanted to kill the dealers, walt first tried to resolve things then knowingly crossed gus by killing them himself to save Jesse. And in the end when he could have just laid low or even taken off further with his millions, he went to the trouble of terrorizing the Schwartz into giving the money to his family in a way he will get no credit for. Its the zombies droning "walt is a monster" that have no understanding of nuance or complexity
Something like 20% of Brits think Winston Churchill is a fictional character and 30% think Sherlock Holmes is real. This is an actual problem because people keep sending mail to 221B Baker Street asking for Sherlock’s help.
When I was 13 I tried to watch Les Miserable with my cousin. She kept asking "why is he singing" and "why is she singing" and I got about seven minutes in before I turned off the movie and walked away. She was eleven years older than me, and all I could think at the time was "this woman has a college degree. She works at a school.” Edit: This thread has got me thinking about this memory for the first time in a while and now that I think about it, I didn’t invite her to watch this with me . I was watching it, and she just sat down and started watching it too.
Same i'm autistic and i tend to try and give reasoning to characters actions because it's hard for me to grasp deeper or complex character morals sometimes 😅 I mean if multiple character in a movie say something why would i go againts it if what theyre saying is framed as something true? It just complicates things for me
I watched a movie on Netflix called Damsel (it’s great you should check it out!) and got massive whiplash watching breaking bad right after. As much as I enjoyed that movie, there was one flaw that became REALLY obvious after I watched something else that doesn’t have it. It’s written for the lowest denominator of media literacy For example, at one point the protagonist goes into a cave that has a bunch of girls’ names carved into the walls. She says something along the lines of “oh, my god, those are the girls who have been trapped down here before me! They must have died! I’m so scared!” As if the audience couldn’t figure that out just by watching I watched breaking bad for the first time right after. It has so many scenes of characters reacting to things in ways that the audience doesn’t understand until the end of the episode, sometimes not even until multiple episodes later. The writers trust the audience to pay attention and put two and two together. There is no over explaining. It’s a great example of show don’t tell Now I can’t stop seeing it when shows expect their audience to not understand anything unless the writers spell it out for them
@@CR-og5ho its a fun movie, you have to imagine it as if it's a stage play and that the audience can't see every detail from the balcony, its accessible in that way.
@@CR-og5ho jeez, watch it and decide for yourself. I liked it despite its writing flaws. I'm capable of enjoying things that aren't perfect and criticizing things I like. Life would be horrible if I couldn't
My parents have become these people. They used to be very into movies and watched two a week. Once smart phones became a thing they never looked back up. My parents are worse than tablet babies.
We had an assignment once way back in school to create student-run elective classes with the best ones actually optionally being run for a month. I pitched a Media Literacy class where we would "analyze and discuss popular media and their themes, messages, literary devices", mostly just to watch movies for class credit. I did not submit mine as an actual class I wanted to run, but as I keep getting older I keep seeing more and more value in such a class.
Wait, did you seriously not have a class that already taught that stuff? This was just part of our regular English class - for each broad area of study covering a certain theme or concept, we'd look at novels, plays, poetry, film and TV, and discuss them using analytical tools relevant to the particular medium.
@@mirkomarkovic3438 because stupid people can be frustrating to deal with, especially when you add in the context that they are probably extremely gullible/weak minded it begs the question what other dumb shit does this guy believe? Race realists, flat earthers and other general conspiracists come to mind.
Good lord, that last bit is so on point. I've known way too many people who can't wrap their head around the idea of there not being a "good guy" and "bad guy" in a story (or real life even 😣)
He'd be perfectly happy watching any of the 63+ Marvel products that have been produced. "I am the bad guy. I will do bad things" "No! We are good guys, here to stop you through teamwork"
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 In fairness that's why they make such a big deal of his motives, and the apparent supernatural confirmation that he loved his "adopted daughter" despite the way he treated her. It's hard to make sense of the events of those movies if he doesn't believe with absolute conviction. But it's a form of self-delusion. Signs point to pathological liars believing what they say. So it's not really surprising that Thanos really does care about overpopulation and really does care about his daughter - in his mind. Externally they even entertain the notion that the world might be a more comfortable place to live with half the population gone. While this does ultimately appeal to the worst kinds of people, (in the real world) it hardly tips the moral scales in his favor now does it Think about it: it doesn't matter what he believes in, or if he's a diagnosable narcissist or even if he's right about overpopulation. The solution is wrong.
There's a lot of people like this who need to be spoonfed what to believe, and it's kinda scary how quickly they just accept whatever they consider to be a trustworthy figure to be the absolute truth, even if that trustworthy figure is right. They just don't know how to answer their own questions.
They're the same people who are way too calm when playing a game with QTEs "What do I do?" "You press X." "How do I do that?" Sadly, we've all been there
My first actual games when I was a pre teen/teen were Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls, games filled with QTEs, so I understood the concept of QTEs pretty well and my reflexes are still sharp lol. Can't imagine how painful it is for new gamers to miss QTEs.
@@cherryhazard8002 That's funny, Fahrenheit (or sometimes the Indigo Prophecy I think, in some countries) was my first QTE game, and I loved it because usually I'm a panicky button masher so the structure to button mashing was perfect for me 😂 I've followed Quantic Dream ever since!
My mom gets stressed very easily by tension, so she makes me tell her what’s going to happen when we’re watching shows together, which was very annoying when watching breaking bad.
"Stress and nervous tension are now serious social problems in all parts of the Galaxy, and it is in order that this situation should not be in any way exacerbated that the following facts will now be revealed in advance." - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I bet that was her favorite part lol
@@numbdigger9552LMAO not the movie where the entire plot is subtextual and metaphorical 😂😂😂. Yeah, watch Stalker; Angel's Egg; Synecdoche, New York; Eraserhead; and The Color of Pomegranates with your friend 😭😭😭.
Sometimes you feel like the entire sphere of critics is this guy. I watched the movie Twilight Samurai. From what I remember it was very obviously about a guy who was basically a feminist of his time. Who thought it was really important his daughters acquire wisdom and get a good education. And if I remember critics' take on it the attitude was "What an interesting movie about what it was like in real life to be a samurai, especially a _loser_ samurai, like this guy."
This reminds me of this immature friend I had in high school who refused, I mean _refused_ to watch any movie unless it was a live-action Disney remake, a Marvel movie, or something from the Harry Potter franchise. I don’t know how or why that was, but it made my blood boil. I tried to show her Little Miss Sunshine (one of my favorite movies) once and she couldn’t sit even through the first half because she couldn’t understand the characters or the direction the storytelling. She kept asking basic stuff like “Why doesn’t that guy talk?” and “Why are they all fighting?” and “Why are they pushing the van?” and “Why did the Grandpa die?”.
probably because she's had enough of pompous bastards like you and she just wants to shut off her brain? live action remakes of something will allow you to engage in new stuff without burning you out too much and movie watching can actually be a refreshing and relaxing experience instead of one where you have to burn your braincells because you don't have enough of an attention span. she probably also asked those questions so you'd switch off the movie. Or are you pissed because you can't actually answer her questions because you assume you know the answers already? Just because they're simple questions doesn't mean the answer is obvious. I doubt you actually know the answers to all of those questions
I think you're the one without the media literacy. Why doesn't the guy talk? What is his role in the movie? What trope is he portraying? What metaphor is he?
@@aliceliddell8413I haven't seen the movie this person is taking about, but some of those questions seem like the answer is obvious if you just follow the movie or they are things that will be explained later and you don't have to immediately start asking questions. Discussions are supposed to be for after the movie (mostly), being annoyed by bad questions or bad timing doesn't indicate bad media literacy at all. I know you're saying those aren't bad questions, but those are usually things that movies answer themselves or you're supposed to figure it out if you know people well enough. I think even the questions you added are usually explained or shown by the movie and it shouldn't cause confusion for most people. If they truly were trying to get at something deeper, those are some bad questions still. Plus sometimes things aren't actually that deep either, but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know about this one and I think someone not talking is very rarely a stand in/metaphor for something. Also if they truly are that limited in the movies they watch, it's not hard to believe they truly are the one lacking understanding.
I try so hard to be this calm and understanding. Unfortunately I have the trademarked autistic Sarcasm VoiceTM (btw I hate that honestly, why us?) and the people I'm forced to live with only hear the "sarcasm" and not the words. Why was I cursed with such an immoral side effect attached to my loveable, colourful mind? That's not even the only string attached to kindness, but not getting into that here lmao [rant about an individual person below] For example, Dad often interrupts my expressions of harmless desires with the "could you not yell at me? You're being really rude and mean right now." when I am actively lowering my voice and trying my damn hardest to mentally accomodate him. With all the hang-ups he has about accomodating me, he should make the connection that we're both the same in that regard. But no, he's offended, I'm unreasonable, that's that ig. But I'm the one who has black-and-white morality somehow... and he's somehow a centrist. Not getting into all that, but let's just say he wholeheartedly supports Israel. To the point of demonizing Palestinians and considering them sub-human. But no, I'm the black-and-white vision. He's so adamant that he's not autistic because that would mean he'd need to be treated like me! And he can't go back to that! But he never makes the Simple Connection and I could say right to his face to "stop being a hipycrite for a second" and he'd find a way to say he doesn't understand what I'm saying and I just need to accomodate him. Then later on tells a cop that I'm psychotic so i'm not worth listening to. Bruh. This fucking man. I'm not even a teenager anymore he has no excuse to keep me in his house, this set-up is at this point illegal! /lyr what do you do when the cops don't care about lawful rights? what do you do when the help is hiding in the dark and quiet? What do you do when your screams are met with silence when you reach out in the early morning?
@@collinbeal Comprehension is understanding the story, the text. Media literacy is more about understanding the underlying themes/metaphors/"big story" (as my people say) of a piece of art. The subtext So media comprehension would be understanding that the movie "Chicken Run" is about the chickens trying to escape. A (very slightly) deeper understanding would be understanding that its a movie heavily inspired by "the great escape". But someone with media literacy would read the "big story" underneath the text; that "Chicken Run" is really a story about a workers becoming class-conscious and forming worker-led revolution against their boss, with metaphors of workers selling their bodies, workers being fed to the machine to keep capital increasing, workers only escaping subjugation when they are united (the big flying bird at the end, made up of all the individual birds coming together, powered by collective labour) etc etc. its not a linear process at all, one reads the surface, one reads below. its more like different lenses.
@@KurtyMurdicalm down Marxist, it's about the tyranny of women exercising control via capitalist machinery and the need for worldly-wise performers to bear up, do the right thing, and give Mrs Tweedy the bird. Who was John Galt? Where is Rocky Rhodes?
@@KurtyMurdi Lol so it' just leftist nonsense. Most of the media literacy types just take the authors intent and don't read into anything and go "hurr author says it's a leftist allegory so me no have to think about anything".
I showed a friend the Alien movies, and she goes "Why did it attach to their face?" And then she goes "Why did it pop out of their chest?" And then "Why is it trying to kill them?" My answers were: because that's just what they do
1. Metaphor for oral s*x 2. Metaphor for unnatural/interspecies pregnancies 3. We're food and incubators for this hypothetical species, and _this_ is why xenobiology scares people.
@@normanclatcher thank you for real explanations. I’m tired of being berated when I ask what’s happening. Like I know I’m stupid, I’m just trying to understand the deeper meanings!!!
@@bradc4277 It's been an issue for me, too. I'll go so far as to say most people don't know this stuff, but I've found it fascinating. Leads to issue of 'am I researching this because I'm curious, or does it have more to do with exploring something man was not meant to know?' ...turns out, it's both. But, y'know, I didn't make this stuff up, either. Horror and sci-fi are massive industries and the secrets to how this stuff works are gatekept hard by _shame,_ to say nothing of literal, visceral perversion or the general public's collective ignorance. I'm thus _not_ advocating for people to do their own research here. It messed me up. Ergo, don't be me; be better. ... ... *_Run._* _Run away, before they catch you too..._
@@normanclatcherWhy would that be a metaphor for oral, as in what would the point of that be? Kind of same point for the same thing, but also I don't think you can call something quite literal a metaphor aswell. It's literally a alien pregnancy and that still doesn't actually answer why specifically they come through the chest/stomach, if it came through their backside would it then have a different meaning? The last one is also very obvious, that's how some species on earth behave aswell (meaning they don't only eat, but use others for creation) and more broadly all species try to survive and a good chunk eat each other to do that. So I agree with the other person that the questions are pretty bad and have a simple explanation and even if they didn't, I don't think any of the explanations you gave actually were proper explanations. I'm also doubtful about the first one being true, that the creator actually thought about it that way. Still that doesn't explain why, neither do the other explanations. If the creator actually said it's a stand in for oral then my bad, but still that leaves the "why". Not everything is that deep that they would've thought through reasons for why they picked those specific ways for the alien to exist, other than they wanted it to be terrifying.
@@ellem8990you're kind of missing a key point with media literacy: the creator is telling you what they mean when you see/read it. the creator's job is to make people think and feel things. there may be a certain intention in specific writing or filming techniques but a good creator understands that art is to be interpreted. Alien being an allusion to r*pe is pretty common interpretation, but it's not universal. media literacy means you should not be reliant on the creator straight up telling you what their intentions were. it's up to you to deduce that.
At least he’s watching, I tried to watch Dune 2 with a friend and they couldn’t get off their phone and when I said he probably should watch he said “I’m listening” even during the subtitled sections and I had to constantly explain things that had just happened
Ya, I would never watch a new movie with that person again, only movies I've already watched. Hate it when people ruin watching a movie for the first time.
He would be slappable if he was deliberately not paying attention, like being on his phone. As is, he is just kind of mildly exhausting, like a toddler refusing to use a fork even though you just saw them eat an entire meal with a fork 4 hours ago.
That is so annoying because anime characters literally describe everything they're doing and thinking the entire show 😂 it should be impossible to not engage with it on every single level
@@austincdeAnd yet, so many people still get very simple parts wrong or confused lol Recent anime, Unnamed Memory, SPOILER ahead to anyone who hasn't yet watched it yet (or read the LN yet). I saw someone recently asked if two characters did the deed. And the scene is the pair of them in bed, naked under the sheets, talking afterwards lol you don't actually see anything, as happens between episodes off scene.
My dad is more like Dad: why is the spicky haired guy fighting the alien. They're both bad guys. Me: Frieza blew up his planet and Vegeta wants revenge so he acted like he was working for Frieza Dad: that's dumb. Bad guys can't fight bad guys. Meanwhile if this happens in a Mafia movie, it's top notch writing
This is literally my dad. Then he will fall asleep through half of the movie, wake up, and have the audacity to say "this movie isn't going anywhere, it doesn't make sense. Should we keep watching it?"
That's the opposite of poor media literacy though. To come to the conclusion nothing bad could happen to Ned because of his role in the story requires the viewer to be acutely aware of Ned's role in a metatexual way, and have an understanding of tropes and cliches and genre conventions that aren't informed solely by the text. The Ned Stark swerve is entirely dependent on the viewers being media literate, not an example of them not being so.
These are the same kinds of people who make "we never learned media literacy in school!" angry posts, while somehow the rest of their graduating class never has the same problems
@@coprographia you never asked too many questions about things you watched when you were a kid? That was a rhetorical question. But have you ever watched a movie as an adult that you had watched as a kid and you realize that you hadn't actually understood what was going on at all? You probably just learned it a lot more implicitly than you realize. Of course the video is a spoof and exaggeration though (at least for me haha...maybe not for some)
For sure. That’s the “literacy” angle. You’re learning to “read” media. We often take this for granted, but it does have to be learned, and not everyone learns it, and there are cultural and stylistic differences between media across the world that require even deeper or more varied literacy.
What piss me off, beyond any limit, are questions like “what does it mean?” “What is happening?” JUST WATCH THE MOVIE! You’re supposed to understand when told!
my parents are like this before the movie even has any characters on screen. "Whats the movie about? Whats the plot? Whats happening? Who's the main character? Do you even know the ending?" like I'm watching the movie because i want to know what its about! answering the questions make s it worse and not answering will make them raise a scene "why are you ignoring me??? im just asking you a question 🥺🥺🥺🥺" never a moments peace.
This what a strict diet of marvel movies does to a person. If they dont explain every scene you may not get it, and every scene kind of works independently of one another. Less a cohesive plot and more of a series of spectacles
@@riccardozanoni2531 I live in Asia and some viewers do really hate the actor of an antagonist of our local drama series even though the actor hadn't done anything wrong irl. So, unfortunately, this phenomenon is caused by human traits rather than enviromental/geographical factors.
I don't think this guy is a jerk. He's annoying, but it's not because he wants to be, it's because he doesn't get it. If anything, all the questions show he cares
My older half brother is exactly like this. He couldn’t sit through Oppenheimer and didn’t like it because, and I quote, “too much talking and science stuff.” I wish I was joking. He’s in his late 30’s btw
This just feels like watching movies with most boomers. Nothing is more frustrating than explaining the entire plot to my parents, in real time, like I'm reading from the Wikipedia article.
@@hecker1982We will all be that age one day my guy, doesn't mean we can't still call out the behaviors of said group of people. Almost sounds like you were internally wishing for that to happen to OP lol.
@@cherryhazard8002 I’m for sure going to be confused but I will keep quiet during a movie because I hate talking during a show. I’ll watch in a bewildered state of dumbfounding stupor, but quietly.
What's become clear to me is that the most important duty of the Priesthood in society is explaining stories to people. That was their whole deal, tell a story and then explain what it means. Cause people can't fuckin' figure that shit out on their own
@@Yurt_enthusiast7if fuckers could figure it out on their own, it wouldn’t matter, but most people barely bother to use 1/2 of one single braincell 🤦🏻♀️
To be fair, if you get 5 Roman Empire aficionados in the room, you’ll have 5 different opinions on the late republic. But we can at least all agree with Pompey that HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!
"What do you mean Wolfenstein has always been anti-Nazi!? I never saw any politics in the old games, but now the new games focus so much on killing Nazi's! Woke pandering!" Real takes I have seen.
Haha. Same as the people who complained that Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth had "woke climate change politics". I guess they forgot the whole thing about your team being eco-terrorists whose initial plan is to stop humans from draining the planet's resources.
*WUT.* I thought the entire point of "Wolfenstein" was that the villains were something like vampire techno-Nazis or something crazy. Very speficially Nazi and your job was to kill Nazis.
There are people who freak out about Star Trek being “woke” too. I don’t know how anyone who considers themselves a fan of it can be that dense about it.
@@InAHollowTree Were they talking about the series in general or one of the more recent Star Treks? I've not seen it myself, but a lot have said that about one of the newer series specifically.
Not the same, but watching "cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2" with my 4 year old. We've watched it many times; it's a family favorite. He thinks that the villain became a villain at the end. He still doesn't understand that he was evil the whole time and just manipulating Flint.
Oof, Cloudy 2? Of all movies? well, he's four, and since you're here I trust you to teach him media literacy when he gets older, but honestly poor little guy that twist must've been emotionally impactful! He mustive been focusing super hard on Flint and his friends/family, the things like the idolization and also that cannibalism + insult moment? That's a unique childhood experience he's gonna have a story to tell when he gets older, honestly I hope he remembers. Oh no, he might have trust issues regarding Bill Nye when he first goes to school! I speak from experience, finding Bill kinda scary made elementary school not so fun and me not so popular lmao. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I wouldn't be surprised, unless I'm projecting. Science idols, red flags, white-aligned LiveCorp, i imagine a betrayal like that would stick with him! I hope both of you are comfortable telling this story at family gatherings when he gets older, that's kind-of a silly betrayal but it was a feeling nontheless. bless his heart, good wishes to both of you good souls
I just love all of your videos. You’ve got such a great variety of characters and the writing and performances are always dead on. When I was a kid I was really shy, but I paid great attention to the people around me growing up. I think it helped me but also frustrated me. You turned your observations into some great comedy! Thanks for the laughs. In times like these it’s really appreciated!
I admittedly struggle with small details of a film like if there’s a prop in the background that’s meant to be important or if a character takes a moment to read something on screen, I’m not a fast reader so I’ll probably miss it. I’m also bad with remembering characters names, especially if it’s a large cast. But I am pretty good at picking out motifs, character motivations, running themes, and foreshadowing that’s not a quick detail that I’d miss if I looked down at my popcorn bowl at the wrong second
@@cam4636how do you better yourself at it? I have watched Christopher Nolan’s films many times hearing how meaningful and deep they are, I actively try to seek out the meanings but I cannot make those connections to the subtext in my head
It's like if you watched a movie with your dog and he could talk.
Lol
This is an apt comparison.
Maybe a golden retriever; a chihuahua would be rooting for Brutus.
What doing? What a Brutus? What a Cesar? Brutus fetch knife? Yaay fetch!
😂😂😂
"If they don't tell me who the good guys and bad guys are, how do I know who to like and agree with?"
Literal thought process of 50% of the population nowadays unironically.
@@cherryhazard8002 me when i lie to feel superior to strawmen
@@cherryhazard8002superiority complex detected
Harry Potter fans when discussing the Marauders Vs Snape:
People who never touch grass be like:
“So when is Caesar gonna invent the salad?”
When he crosses the Rubicon at the end of Season 2 and powers up.
@@StunkosHe invented the Rubik cube as well? 😮
LMAO
@@WTFBOOMDOOMno the Rubicon, the convention for Rubies
Usually people with bad media literacy have trouble understanding the subtext or themes and view everything through a literal strictly textual lens. But this guy just, can't follow the actual text.
Yeah, I was about to say, this seems like "friend who has zero theory of mind" rather than anything about media literacy.
A few of these are about subtext or things that could be subtext, like how brutus was lying when he said caesar was like his father, or that Brutus’ mom is manipulative and he is morally weak. That’s stuff you have to pick up on through implication. And when he’s confused about the “good guy” and “bad guy” it’s because he’s confused that a movie could even have a theme OTHER than good guy vs bad guy.
@@emmasolis9106 "like how brutus was lying when he said caesar was like his father"
Only if you take the scene in isolation. When, as said, the previous scene showed him planning to kill Caesar, it's not an implication that he's lying, it's an outright fact directly shown to you.
@@lylyscuir well put
yeah i said in a comment that here is a lack of media comprehension, not media literacy
People like this are why plots have been dumbed down so much I feel like I'm being talked through the plot rather than witnessing it.
SHOW DONT TELL god I can’t even begin to get started on how the new Avatar show dumbs down the world building to spoken lines like we’re all 4 years old
I swear it feels like I’m the only one out of everyone I know who even notices it too. Like no one is actively thinking about the quality of the dialogue they’re listening to
@@christiansanders1Exactly lmao in my head im just saying "duhh get to the point." Its so obvious whats happening they dont need to explain it
@@christiansanders1 FOR REAL!! Like how can people watch these?! It's one of the reasons I prefer book most of the time. Nothing turns me off something more than being talked to like an idiot that can't follow a storyline without it being hand fed to me scene by scene
As a writer who has taken a few screenwriting and playwriting class it’s beyond annoying and the opposite of what they tell you to do lol
This guy should be friends with the Average Redditor. This guy doesn't understand anything while the Average Redditor is going to explain every single little nuance of the film.
😂😂😂😂
No, redditors dont get nuance either. He and this guy are basically the same.
He would explain why the film actually isn't completely historically accurate and confuse him even further
Couple made in hell.❤
God, theyd love eachother, menace to everyone else but in their own bubble? Pure love.
Redditor could explain his little heart away, this guy would just be happy someone took the time and occasionally go "oh my gosh you are so smart, I would never have gotten that".
Match made in hell.
This reminds me of the people who think that Mother Gothel from Tangled genuinely loved Repunzel and not just for her hair.
Tell them to watch the television show.
Wut. I'm autistic and I made the connection that she only kept Rapunzel because her hair keeps her young.
like im not saying those sort of people will abuse their kids, but i would certainly think twice about letting them around the vulnerable unchaperoned
@@TurtleShroom3same, it literally says it in the movie
There's a video analysis about mother Gothel that explores in detail every single messed up thing in her treatment and gaslighting of Rapunzel. I think it was on Cinema Therapy channel.
I love that you actually voiced those lines instead of playing the movie.
You might say it’s for copyright purposes, but I know - it’s because u wanted to.
I actually used clips from the HBO series Rome
wait was there a movie adaptation of julius caesar?
They are horrible tho
WELL DUH they are supposed to be bad its a skit @@Legal_Leg
@@theslappablejerkit’s a great show
I think the worst is when you both watch a movie for the first time and they keep asking basic questions that will probably be answered during the movie. "Are they a couple or just friends??? Why did he hide that watch???". Bro we're at the first scene, fucking chill.
I once asked strangers on a forum for feedback on a fictional story I was working on. I shared the opening few scenes with them, and most of them were kind and helpful. Then there was one person exactly like the type you're talking about. "Why are these two characters who don't get along still working together? Who's the mysterious figure you mentioned?" That's the point of reading a story, isn't it, my guy?
@@sweetiesgetmoney I swear that's beyond media literacy at this point lmao.
At the very least in your case you have the answers.
Like when you watch a movie for the first why tf you ask me those questions like i've made the fucking movie?
There was a dude I knew who dropped a mystery novel at the first chapter because he didnt understand what was going on. A mystery novel...
@@AnprimGangAs someone who loves mysteries, I am offended.
My dad lmao
I watched The Truman Show with some buds and one of them as the credits rolled said "So...what's the Truman Show? Whys it called that?" I don't remember the guy being on his phone or anything. I do not know what his thoughts were of what was happening during the movie.
Did they ever find out what the Matrix was?
When I first watched that movie at eleven years old, I didn’t realize it wasn’t a documentary until about halfway through
Did they ever find out who was the Beauty and who was the Beast?
Did they ever find out why Peter Parker is called "Spider-Man"?
@@jozefienvoets2744wdym documentary
There is a version of this guy that would be like "Brutus killed Caesar, so he's clearly more powerful".
"Brutus's feats CLEARLY show he would win in a fight against Macbeth..."
@@paigeepleruh, no! I mean, Macbeth has the unique trait of immunity vs men born of women, so CLEARLY he would win! Caesar, on the other hand, COULD defeat Macbeth, and since they all take place in the same universe (the William S. Extended) you can see it works in a Brutus kills Caesar kills Macbeth kills Brutus (who can also kill Brutus) system not unlike fire emblem’s weapon advantage. On this scale then, then, Tybalt and Mercutio fail on a lower tier, with Tybalt…
@@bashmelek but MacDuff defeats Macbeth, and MacDuff was born by Caesarian section, meaning that Caesar wins on a technicality
But could Brutus beat Goku?
@@IdkWhatToPutHere464 In terms of writing quality, certainly.
I'm convinced this is what it must be like to watch a movie with the guy from CinemaSins.
Believe it or not, the guys from cinema sins actually have good media literacy. That's what allows them to make the satire that they do
@@themindeclectic9821brother you need to look up what satire is.
It's not satire, they are just so stupid that they use satire as an excuse when people call them out on the many things they do wrong.
@@themindeclectic9821fuck no they don't. You must be one of the 2 idiots that belong to Cinema Sins. Your false pride and misplaced ego won't allow others to talk shit about Cinema Sins.
I personally take those videos as a joke but lmfaooooo
10 mins in: “Who is that?”
I don’t know. This is the first time we’ve ever seen or heard about this character.
2 hrs in: “Who is that?”
Literally one of the main characters.
"Why is that happening?
"Mom it's the _first scene._ I have the same 0 information you have right now" 😅😂
@@chelscara It's always moms isn't it?
@BaconNuke nope. With me it's my dad
I am often like that whenever there are more than two men with short brown hair that are basically the same level of nice/smart/important to the story.
@@martha8517 wow you got a rare one there
This is pretty much every Breaking Bad fan who genuinely likes Walter White and thinks he did it all for his family
And kins him 💀
*"Say his name."*
My father relates to Walter White and told me that when Jane died he was happy because she had the nerve to threaten Walt and his family (his masculinity) My dad's actually a smart guy with a creative writing degree, just a raging narcissist and misogynist
@@majortom4711 In other words, an author.
The man offered an 80 million dollar bribe to spare hanks life after he was determined to destroy walt. After Jessie doused his house with gas he was offended at the suggestion of killing him and genuinely wanted to talk and explain to Jesse. His cheating wife gave his fortune that he risked his life for to her affair partner and not only does he not have her killed, he keeps her around and pays all the bills like normal. Instead of simply giving Brock the ricin, he carefully gave him something else that mimicked the symptoms without killing him. When Jesse was using heroin he withheld his money until his hand was forced, then paid for his rehab. When he could have simply ducked, he tacked Jesse to the ground out of the line of fire of the machine gun. When Jesse wanted to kill the dealers, walt first tried to resolve things then knowingly crossed gus by killing them himself to save Jesse. And in the end when he could have just laid low or even taken off further with his millions, he went to the trouble of terrorizing the Schwartz into giving the money to his family in a way he will get no credit for.
Its the zombies droning "walt is a monster" that have no understanding of nuance or complexity
Wait, okay so the guy in the stripes did or didn’t understand the movie ?
Wait, so this comment didn't understand the video?
Okay, now I'm just confused..
wait there was a movie?
We need to know which movie it is first before we start judging
So, did I miss where they talk about the salad?
Honestly, he's not that slappable, just naive
i disagree as much as i possibly can
He's slappable but he's not a jerk. Just a lovable slappable idiot
More like a little slap to the back of the head like "dude whats wrong with you"
true
@@ParanoidxProd lol true
Forget media literacy; I figured out WAY later than I'm gonna admit that caesar was in fact not a fictional character
Ahh you were that guy in class
He’s the salad guy
So just regular literacy
Something like 20% of Brits think Winston Churchill is a fictional character and 30% think Sherlock Holmes is real. This is an actual problem because people keep sending mail to 221B Baker Street asking for Sherlock’s help.
Fictional...as in " not real"? Wut?! He was just in that whole movie- I saw him.
I think YOU'RE the one who doesn't " get it".🙄
When I was 13 I tried to watch Les Miserable with my cousin. She kept asking "why is he singing" and "why is she singing" and I got about seven minutes in before I turned off the movie and walked away. She was eleven years older than me, and all I could think at the time was "this woman has a college degree. She works at a school.”
Edit:
This thread has got me thinking about this memory for the first time in a while and now that I think about it, I didn’t invite her to watch this with me . I was watching it, and she just sat down and started watching it too.
In her defense, Les Miserable's musical adaptation is terrible.
@@Nersiusreally? It's not all bad
@@Nersius I’ve heard bad things about the movie, but idk, I think the live stage version is really good.
college degrees are trash and teachers have been low iq for decades now especially Publix school ones, just a sign of the times
@@Nersius "why is [insert character here] singing" is a bad question to consistently ask during a musical regardless of its quality.
This is my everyday life as a high school English teacher. It’s like you put a mic in my classroom.
The lack of creativity, passion and focus of Gen Z and Gen Alpha truly need to be studied.
are you a new teacher? maybe your lessons suck and theyre trolling you. as an educator myself, i always remember they dont wanna be there.
@@scorpionic-night going into my 10th year, and yeah maybe my lessons do suck. I should do better. Thanks, fellow educator!
@@sea_air_ahhh5776 SORRY 😂 lol Im just sayin stuff i wish i could say to some of my coworkers
The question is, are you kids trying or not?
this was me before i realized i had auditory processing disorder and literally couldnt understand the words being said in the movie haha
SAME
And that’s why I always watch everything with subtitles now
Same i'm autistic and i tend to try and give reasoning to characters actions because it's hard for me to grasp deeper or complex character morals sometimes 😅 I mean if multiple character in a movie say something why would i go againts it if what theyre saying is framed as something true? It just complicates things for me
@@Acorn905auditory processing disorder and autism is not the same
well damn
that's tough
these people are why marvel movies come out every year
I watched a movie on Netflix called Damsel (it’s great you should check it out!) and got massive whiplash watching breaking bad right after. As much as I enjoyed that movie, there was one flaw that became REALLY obvious after I watched something else that doesn’t have it. It’s written for the lowest denominator of media literacy
For example, at one point the protagonist goes into a cave that has a bunch of girls’ names carved into the walls. She says something along the lines of “oh, my god, those are the girls who have been trapped down here before me! They must have died! I’m so scared!” As if the audience couldn’t figure that out just by watching
I watched breaking bad for the first time right after. It has so many scenes of characters reacting to things in ways that the audience doesn’t understand until the end of the episode, sometimes not even until multiple episodes later. The writers trust the audience to pay attention and put two and two together. There is no over explaining. It’s a great example of show don’t tell
Now I can’t stop seeing it when shows expect their audience to not understand anything unless the writers spell it out for them
@@andynonymous6769 If you're not making that up that film sounds horrendous and I can't believe you'd recommend it to anyone.
@@CR-og5ho its a fun movie, you have to imagine it as if it's a stage play and that the audience can't see every detail from the balcony, its accessible in that way.
@@CR-og5ho jeez, watch it and decide for yourself. I liked it despite its writing flaws. I'm capable of enjoying things that aren't perfect and criticizing things I like. Life would be horrible if I couldn't
@CR-og5ho
The movie is actually horrible, and you shouldn't watch it
There needs to be a character that is on their phone during most of the movie and then asks obvious questions of whats going on?
And then goes, "hey, could we go back a minute? I missed that part."
Heeeey-eeeeeeey-eeeeey-eyy-aaaa hey, whats going on
That would get old fast.
My parents have become these people. They used to be very into movies and watched two a week. Once smart phones became a thing they never looked back up. My parents are worse than tablet babies.
twb hilarious 😂 slightly more annoying but idk how rude compared to his other chars
We had an assignment once way back in school to create student-run elective classes with the best ones actually optionally being run for a month. I pitched a Media Literacy class where we would "analyze and discuss popular media and their themes, messages, literary devices", mostly just to watch movies for class credit. I did not submit mine as an actual class I wanted to run, but as I keep getting older I keep seeing more and more value in such a class.
Wait, did you seriously not have a class that already taught that stuff? This was just part of our regular English class - for each broad area of study covering a certain theme or concept, we'd look at novels, plays, poetry, film and TV, and discuss them using analytical tools relevant to the particular medium.
@@snr0n Mine didn't either. Seems some schools have vastly better education than others. We would read and discuss books, but not much more than that.
Well. what about Canada? A whole country that doesn't understand IRONY. So Canada banned "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits as homophobic.
@@xanderabbey8529 Your teacher never stopped reading a book to explain why the blue drapes were representative of a character's emotional state?
@@ToomanyFrancis That's part of the default English literature class in every part of the world lol.
"Wait. If he's trying his best and working for his family's own self interest, then why isn't it all working out for him?"
XD
Because he’s not very intelligent
@@MM126.90 Honestly, skill issue. When I took over Rome for my own self interest I pulled myself up by the bootstraps and created my own tech startup
I like how this person is more annoying than detestable. As in, he's not being annoying to others on purpose, he just genuinely doesn't understand.
And why is that annoying?
@@mirkomarkovic3438 because stupid people can be frustrating to deal with, especially when you add in the context that they are probably extremely gullible/weak minded it begs the question what other dumb shit does this guy believe? Race realists, flat earthers and other general conspiracists come to mind.
@@mirkomarkovic3438 why do you ask?
Everything that annoys you is in yourself
@@mirkomarkovic3438 I don't think weirdly shaped male genitalia is in myself if I'm a chick
Good lord, that last bit is so on point. I've known way too many people who can't wrap their head around the idea of there not being a "good guy" and "bad guy" in a story (or real life even 😣)
He'd be perfectly happy watching any of the 63+ Marvel products that have been produced.
"I am the bad guy. I will do bad things"
"No! We are good guys, here to stop you through teamwork"
Yeah, sounds like you've watched all of them...
Hm, yes.
This is a delightful subtle commentary on *Morbius.*
@@normanclatcher needs mor Morbin' time
It's depressing how many people actually believed Thanos cared about overpopulation rather than just being a mass murdering narcissist.
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 In fairness that's why they make such a big deal of his motives, and the apparent supernatural confirmation that he loved his "adopted daughter" despite the way he treated her. It's hard to make sense of the events of those movies if he doesn't believe with absolute conviction. But it's a form of self-delusion. Signs point to pathological liars believing what they say. So it's not really surprising that Thanos really does care about overpopulation and really does care about his daughter - in his mind. Externally they even entertain the notion that the world might be a more comfortable place to live with half the population gone. While this does ultimately appeal to the worst kinds of people, (in the real world) it hardly tips the moral scales in his favor now does it
Think about it: it doesn't matter what he believes in, or if he's a diagnosable narcissist or even if he's right about overpopulation. The solution is wrong.
There's a lot of people like this who need to be spoonfed what to believe, and it's kinda scary how quickly they just accept whatever they consider to be a trustworthy figure to be the absolute truth, even if that trustworthy figure is right. They just don't know how to answer their own questions.
That’s what makes democracy scary. These people are out voting for our leaders….
@SarahNova at least I'm also voting. Imagine if they were the ones in charge and you had no say in the matter
Lock me down harder daddy Fauci
it seems as though this guy doesn't need to be spoonfed what to believe, it more so seems like he literally cannot follow the plot of the movie
They're the same people who are way too calm when playing a game with QTEs
"What do I do?"
"You press X."
"How do I do that?"
Sadly, we've all been there
My first actual games when I was a pre teen/teen were Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls, games filled with QTEs, so I understood the concept of QTEs pretty well and my reflexes are still sharp lol. Can't imagine how painful it is for new gamers to miss QTEs.
@@cherryhazard8002 That's funny, Fahrenheit (or sometimes the Indigo Prophecy I think, in some countries) was my first QTE game, and I loved it because usually I'm a panicky button masher so the structure to button mashing was perfect for me 😂 I've followed Quantic Dream ever since!
I have never been there. What turnip trucks are these alleged people falling from?
@@cherryhazard8002I’m so sorry you had to grow up like that.
whos we?
My mom gets stressed very easily by tension, so she makes me tell her what’s going to happen when we’re watching shows together, which was very annoying when watching breaking bad.
Just lie lol
"Oh, see, Gus is planning on fucking Walter, so...
My mom just googles the spoilers
@@javieraaravena Same, or spend half the movie googling the cast and reading info about them
"Stress and nervous tension are now serious social problems in all parts of the Galaxy, and it is in order that this situation should not be in any way exacerbated that the following facts will now be revealed in advance." - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I bet that was her favorite part lol
This is what it's like showing my parents anything I've done or accomplished
And, they either don't care, or they _do_ care and it's the rest of the world that doesn't.
True
"Wait, when did you enroll in college?"
The origin story of the "I know writers that use subtext and they're all cowards!" guy.
is that another slappable character or reference to something else
@kiraoshiro9251 Quote from Gareth Marenghi's Darkplace, a mockumentary series of a British "horror" TV show.
@@Gatsbeau which also happens to be fully uploaded on youtube, just throwing that out there for anyone who might want it
I dont mind this guy as much as the person who just constantly is on their phone during the movie but then also constantly asks you whats going on
Agreed! Sometimes people just dont understand what's happening and its ok but then there's the straight up rude people
i have a friend like this and it kills me. does not help that they always want to watch really dense arthouse movies.
You should watch stalker with him 😂
@@numbdigger9552Stalker isn't that difficult to understand to be tbh if you really want to fuck with this person show the Mirror
@@numbdigger9552LMAO not the movie where the entire plot is subtextual and metaphorical 😂😂😂. Yeah, watch Stalker; Angel's Egg; Synecdoche, New York; Eraserhead; and The Color of Pomegranates with your friend 😭😭😭.
@@numbdigger9552 Inland Empire
Sometimes you feel like the entire sphere of critics is this guy. I watched the movie Twilight Samurai. From what I remember it was very obviously about a guy who was basically a feminist of his time. Who thought it was really important his daughters acquire wisdom and get a good education. And if I remember critics' take on it the attitude was "What an interesting movie about what it was like in real life to be a samurai, especially a _loser_ samurai, like this guy."
He's still working out object permanence as well.
loser coded comment
Shit. I have media literacy, but poor object permanence. Don't call me out like that 😭😭😭.
@@collinbeal_I looked away for two seconds--_
Ah a war thunder player. Honestly that makes too much sense lol
This reminds me of this immature friend I had in high school who refused, I mean _refused_ to watch any movie unless it was a live-action Disney remake, a Marvel movie, or something from the Harry Potter franchise. I don’t know how or why that was, but it made my blood boil.
I tried to show her Little Miss Sunshine (one of my favorite movies) once and she couldn’t sit even through the first half because she couldn’t understand the characters or the direction the storytelling. She kept asking basic stuff like “Why doesn’t that guy talk?” and “Why are they all fighting?” and “Why are they pushing the van?” and “Why did the Grandpa die?”.
Little miss sunshine is one of my favorite movies too, Steve carell did a great job in it
probably because she's had enough of pompous bastards like you and she just wants to shut off her brain?
live action remakes of something will allow you to engage in new stuff without burning you out too much and movie watching can actually be a refreshing and relaxing experience instead of one where you have to burn your braincells because you don't have enough of an attention span.
she probably also asked those questions so you'd switch off the movie.
Or are you pissed because you can't actually answer her questions because you assume you know the answers already?
Just because they're simple questions doesn't mean the answer is obvious. I doubt you actually know the answers to all of those questions
I think you're the one without the media literacy. Why doesn't the guy talk? What is his role in the movie? What trope is he portraying? What metaphor is he?
@@aliceliddell8413I haven't seen the movie this person is taking about, but some of those questions seem like the answer is obvious if you just follow the movie or they are things that will be explained later and you don't have to immediately start asking questions. Discussions are supposed to be for after the movie (mostly), being annoyed by bad questions or bad timing doesn't indicate bad media literacy at all. I know you're saying those aren't bad questions, but those are usually things that movies answer themselves or you're supposed to figure it out if you know people well enough. I think even the questions you added are usually explained or shown by the movie and it shouldn't cause confusion for most people. If they truly were trying to get at something deeper, those are some bad questions still. Plus sometimes things aren't actually that deep either, but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know about this one and I think someone not talking is very rarely a stand in/metaphor for something.
Also if they truly are that limited in the movies they watch, it's not hard to believe they truly are the one lacking understanding.
I love how the incorporeal voice is completely calm and understanding. In reality, this a really wholesome video and not a meme
I try so hard to be this calm and understanding. Unfortunately I have the trademarked autistic Sarcasm VoiceTM (btw I hate that honestly, why us?) and the people I'm forced to live with only hear the "sarcasm" and not the words. Why was I cursed with such an immoral side effect attached to my loveable, colourful mind? That's not even the only string attached to kindness, but not getting into that here lmao
[rant about an individual person below]
For example, Dad often interrupts my expressions of harmless desires with the "could you not yell at me? You're being really rude and mean right now." when I am actively lowering my voice and trying my damn hardest to mentally accomodate him. With all the hang-ups he has about accomodating me, he should make the connection that we're both the same in that regard. But no, he's offended, I'm unreasonable, that's that ig. But I'm the one who has black-and-white morality somehow... and he's somehow a centrist. Not getting into all that, but let's just say he wholeheartedly supports Israel. To the point of demonizing Palestinians and considering them sub-human. But no, I'm the black-and-white vision. He's so adamant that he's not autistic because that would mean he'd need to be treated like me! And he can't go back to that! But he never makes the Simple Connection and I could say right to his face to "stop being a hipycrite for a second" and he'd find a way to say he doesn't understand what I'm saying and I just need to accomodate him. Then later on tells a cop that I'm psychotic so i'm not worth listening to. Bruh. This fucking man. I'm not even a teenager anymore he has no excuse to keep me in his house, this set-up is at this point illegal! /lyr what do you do when the cops don't care about lawful rights? what do you do when the help is hiding in the dark and quiet? What do you do when your screams are met with silence when you reach out in the early morning?
i am so unreasonably pressed, because this is not media literacy, its media COMPREHENSION that the guy is lacking in
It's an interesting question if literacy is preceded by comprehension or not. Are they two sides of the same coin, or are they a linear process?
@@collinbeal Comprehension is understanding the story, the text. Media literacy is more about understanding the underlying themes/metaphors/"big story" (as my people say) of a piece of art. The subtext
So media comprehension would be understanding that the movie "Chicken Run" is about the chickens trying to escape. A (very slightly) deeper understanding would be understanding that its a movie heavily inspired by "the great escape". But someone with media literacy would read the "big story" underneath the text; that "Chicken Run" is really a story about a workers becoming class-conscious and forming worker-led revolution against their boss, with metaphors of workers selling their bodies, workers being fed to the machine to keep capital increasing, workers only escaping subjugation when they are united (the big flying bird at the end, made up of all the individual birds coming together, powered by collective labour) etc etc.
its not a linear process at all, one reads the surface, one reads below. its more like different lenses.
@@KurtyMurdicalm down Marxist, it's about the tyranny of women exercising control via capitalist machinery and the need for worldly-wise performers to bear up, do the right thing, and give Mrs Tweedy the bird.
Who was John Galt?
Where is Rocky Rhodes?
@@KurtyMurdi Lol so it' just leftist nonsense. Most of the media literacy types just take the authors intent and don't read into anything and go "hurr author says it's a leftist allegory so me no have to think about anything".
Is this 'media literacy' or just....general intelligence?
I showed a friend the Alien movies, and she goes "Why did it attach to their face?" And then she goes "Why did it pop out of their chest?" And then "Why is it trying to kill them?"
My answers were: because that's just what they do
1. Metaphor for oral s*x
2. Metaphor for unnatural/interspecies pregnancies
3. We're food and incubators for this hypothetical species, and _this_ is why xenobiology scares people.
@@normanclatcher thank you for real explanations. I’m tired of being berated when I ask what’s happening. Like I know I’m stupid, I’m just trying to understand the deeper meanings!!!
@@bradc4277 It's been an issue for me, too. I'll go so far as to say most people don't know this stuff, but I've found it fascinating. Leads to issue of 'am I researching this because I'm curious, or does it have more to do with exploring something man was not meant to know?'
...turns out, it's both. But, y'know, I didn't make this stuff up, either. Horror and sci-fi are massive industries and the secrets to how this stuff works are gatekept hard by _shame,_ to say nothing of literal, visceral perversion or the general public's collective ignorance.
I'm thus _not_ advocating for people to do their own research here. It messed me up. Ergo, don't be me; be better.
...
...
*_Run._*
_Run away, before they catch you too..._
@@normanclatcherWhy would that be a metaphor for oral, as in what would the point of that be? Kind of same point for the same thing, but also I don't think you can call something quite literal a metaphor aswell. It's literally a alien pregnancy and that still doesn't actually answer why specifically they come through the chest/stomach, if it came through their backside would it then have a different meaning? The last one is also very obvious, that's how some species on earth behave aswell (meaning they don't only eat, but use others for creation) and more broadly all species try to survive and a good chunk eat each other to do that.
So I agree with the other person that the questions are pretty bad and have a simple explanation and even if they didn't, I don't think any of the explanations you gave actually were proper explanations. I'm also doubtful about the first one being true, that the creator actually thought about it that way. Still that doesn't explain why, neither do the other explanations. If the creator actually said it's a stand in for oral then my bad, but still that leaves the "why". Not everything is that deep that they would've thought through reasons for why they picked those specific ways for the alien to exist, other than they wanted it to be terrifying.
@@ellem8990you're kind of missing a key point with media literacy: the creator is telling you what they mean when you see/read it. the creator's job is to make people think and feel things. there may be a certain intention in specific writing or filming techniques but a good creator understands that art is to be interpreted. Alien being an allusion to r*pe is pretty common interpretation, but it's not universal. media literacy means you should not be reliant on the creator straight up telling you what their intentions were. it's up to you to deduce that.
At least he’s watching, I tried to watch Dune 2 with a friend and they couldn’t get off their phone and when I said he probably should watch he said “I’m listening” even during the subtitled sections and I had to constantly explain things that had just happened
I'm not joking, I would say "If you take out your phone again I'm putting in the blender."
Rip. Your friend was probably not interested in watching anyways.
This is really how people are now.
Trying to get someone to put down the tiktok and pay attention to a movie or show is impossible
Ya, I would never watch a new movie with that person again, only movies I've already watched. Hate it when people ruin watching a movie for the first time.
"Friend"
"They"
"He"
All about the same person.
You have some serious underlying problems there, american.
This the type of guy to say Marc Antony just wanted the Roman’s ears
Wait. He didn't?
He wasn’t going to keep them though
And that he was actually pretty convincing in "The Substitute"
So wait, Bowser likes Peach? I thought he always kidnapped her, this is really confusing...
If only this was just a problem with fictional media and not something that permeates everyday life in the era of social media. If only.
"But how could my favorite politician be the one who passed laws that hurt me? They just said they love me!"
Not slappable. He's trying his best and asking the right questions. The POV character is just really patient, and a good friend.
yes i agree
He would be slappable if he was deliberately not paying attention, like being on his phone.
As is, he is just kind of mildly exhausting, like a toddler refusing to use a fork even though you just saw them eat an entire meal with a fork 4 hours ago.
Nah dude is dumb as hell. Slappable offense 🤷🏾♂️
This is how my dad acts when I'm watching anime.
That is so annoying because anime characters literally describe everything they're doing and thinking the entire show 😂 it should be impossible to not engage with it on every single level
@@austincdeAnd yet, so many people still get very simple parts wrong or confused lol
Recent anime, Unnamed Memory, SPOILER ahead to anyone who hasn't yet watched it yet (or read the LN yet).
I saw someone recently asked if two characters did the deed. And the scene is the pair of them in bed, naked under the sheets, talking afterwards lol you don't actually see anything, as happens between episodes off scene.
My dad is more like
Dad: why is the spicky haired guy fighting the alien. They're both bad guys.
Me: Frieza blew up his planet and Vegeta wants revenge so he acted like he was working for Frieza
Dad: that's dumb. Bad guys can't fight bad guys.
Meanwhile if this happens in a Mafia movie, it's top notch writing
@@mnArqal93 what anime is that?
@@6inchscar487yeah, a lot of people boil stories down to “good guy vs. bad guy” but not all stories are like that
This is literally my dad. Then he will fall asleep through half of the movie, wake up, and have the audacity to say "this movie isn't going anywhere, it doesn't make sense. Should we keep watching it?"
While you were typing this snarky comment, sitting on your couch with a bag of potato chips by your side, your dad is working a real job.
@@chrisdawson1776 My guy over here writing fanfiction about random strangers on the internet.
@@odeum9772 lmao 💀
@@chrisdawson1776my brother in Christ this is just about watching movies, what does that have to do with anything….
@@chrisdawson1776 Hey, it's renowned political cartoonist "Zyklon" Ben Garrison!
"Its a good thing Ned Stark is so important and they cant really kill him huh."
Most people thought that while watching for the first time tbf
Being fair, everyone who didn't know probably assumed that until the season finale.
That's the opposite of poor media literacy though. To come to the conclusion nothing bad could happen to Ned because of his role in the story requires the viewer to be acutely aware of Ned's role in a metatexual way, and have an understanding of tropes and cliches and genre conventions that aren't informed solely by the text. The Ned Stark swerve is entirely dependent on the viewers being media literate, not an example of them not being so.
cinema sins fan with the most media literacy:
this video seems so much more like it's a concept man carrying thing would come up with
How? The man in this video wasn't carrying anything at all.
@@roundninjasometimes the thing being carried is metaphorical, like carrying the weight of deez nuts
@@breakingboundaries3950goddammit.
How am I supposed to laugh at this? There's no plankton farts and dies
@@breakingboundaries3950VUDUBDUBDHUDHBDUH GOD I ACTUALLY LAUGHED
these are the same kinds of people that make the 'English teacher' jokes
These are the same kinds of people who make "we never learned media literacy in school!" angry posts, while somehow the rest of their graduating class never has the same problems
Bro rocking that imperial Germany shirt.
Reminds me of my cousin. He also liked the last season of Game of Thrones.
is that last part a joke 😭😭 who cares
I thought the final season was good. We got the Battle of the Bastards. It sucks the show was cancelled, but the 6 Seasons of GoT were quite enjoyable
My dad did, too. One of the most media-illiterate people I’ve ever met
@@aexxir You sound like my cousin
@@thomasalvarez6456 its real asf tho let people have "bad" opinions
That's my dad watching whatever:
N o w H e ' s A G h o s t
How did you get a camera into CinemaSin's office?
The timing of this is one is weird because I just had a conversation with someone in which we concluded that we had to learn how to watch movies
How do you get like this in the first place?
@@coprographia you never asked too many questions about things you watched when you were a kid? That was a rhetorical question. But have you ever watched a movie as an adult that you had watched as a kid and you realize that you hadn't actually understood what was going on at all? You probably just learned it a lot more implicitly than you realize. Of course the video is a spoof and exaggeration though (at least for me haha...maybe not for some)
@@coprographia I read your name as "coprophagia" and had to do a double take
@@blitzn00dle50they've got a real shit-eating grin 😂
For sure. That’s the “literacy” angle. You’re learning to “read” media. We often take this for granted, but it does have to be learned, and not everyone learns it, and there are cultural and stylistic differences between media across the world that require even deeper or more varied literacy.
What piss me off, beyond any limit, are questions like “what does it mean?” “What is happening?” JUST WATCH THE MOVIE!
You’re supposed to understand when told!
It's okay buddy, let's watch a Dwayne Johnson movie. No confusion on who the good guy is there
He made sure of that in his contract 😎 😭 lmfao
this is just like watching a movie with my dad... it's a tooth puller
he would want to leave 45 mins into it though
my parents are like this before the movie even has any characters on screen. "Whats the movie about? Whats the plot? Whats happening? Who's the main character? Do you even know the ending?" like I'm watching the movie because i want to know what its about! answering the questions make s it worse and not answering will make them raise a scene "why are you ignoring me??? im just asking you a question 🥺🥺🥺🥺" never a moments peace.
😭 😭 😭 I’m so sorry bro, RIP
I'm surprised he didn't immediately ask "what's a flash forward?". Yeah. I've been there. I've also had to explain what a prequel is
...I hate that, thank you.
He's had to explain it to him before
This what a strict diet of marvel movies does to a person. If they dont explain every scene you may not get it, and every scene kind of works independently of one another. Less a cohesive plot and more of a series of spectacles
"So then who's the good guy??"
"Nobody, they're just people"
To be fair, Caesar DOES become a ghost in the Shakespeare play
This is an actual problem. People take what characters say as fact as if the meta storyline itself was speaking
And this is why when someone plays a bad guy *too* well people actually hate the actor for... being good at their job?
@@BaconNuke that sounds like a very american thing tbh... i could be wrong, but i never heard anything like it where i live.
@@riccardozanoni2531 I live in Asia and some viewers do really hate the actor of an antagonist of our local drama series even though the actor hadn't done anything wrong irl.
So, unfortunately, this phenomenon is caused by human traits rather than enviromental/geographical factors.
@@lastyhopper2792 wow. I guess I'm just lucky not to know anyone like this... 🥲
I don't think this guy is a jerk. He's annoying, but it's not because he wants to be, it's because he doesn't get it. If anything, all the questions show he cares
Black and white thinking. Unfortunately some people apply this to so many things in life.
Me explaining the plot to my husband AGAIN because he got distracted by the fact people were talking as opposed to blowing things up or shouting. 😂😂
It’s even worse when the show is something so simple that people are overthinking it.
Never show this guy a Christopher Nolan film.
My older half brother is exactly like this. He couldn’t sit through Oppenheimer and didn’t like it because, and I quote, “too much talking and science stuff.” I wish I was joking. He’s in his late 30’s btw
Nolan films are annoying in the sense that they give you the feeling there's a lot to pay attention to, but... not really.
Your videos always put a smile on my face even when im at my lowest.. thank you so much for your great content.
hope things get better for you!!
Literally my dad. Can't even watch the simplist movie without doing this the whole time
This just feels like watching movies with most boomers. Nothing is more frustrating than explaining the entire plot to my parents, in real time, like I'm reading from the Wikipedia article.
If that’s your parents, you’ll be the one asking questions when you’re that age. Good luck!
@@hecker1982totally uncalled for
Thank God my parents are Gen X and my dad is a movie buff lol, definitely must be very annoying for you to do that lol.
@@hecker1982We will all be that age one day my guy, doesn't mean we can't still call out the behaviors of said group of people. Almost sounds like you were internally wishing for that to happen to OP lol.
@@cherryhazard8002 I’m for sure going to be confused but I will keep quiet during a movie because I hate talking during a show. I’ll watch in a bewildered state of dumbfounding stupor, but quietly.
What's become clear to me is that the most important duty of the Priesthood in society is explaining stories to people. That was their whole deal, tell a story and then explain what it means.
Cause people can't fuckin' figure that shit out on their own
I would say the priesthoods role is to make sure that their interpretation of the stories is the one conveyed to the masses
@@Yurt_enthusiast7if fuckers could figure it out on their own, it wouldn’t matter, but most people barely bother to use 1/2 of one single braincell 🤦🏻♀️
We shouldnt have to have priesthoods to do that.
...shoot.
Guess I'm getting a collar.
@@RollerOfEyes The ancients were right. Try to get 20 randos off the street to understand even the basic story of Mulholland Drive.
It's hard watching a movie you have to explain to someone!
To be fair, if you get 5 Roman Empire aficionados in the room, you’ll have 5 different opinions on the late republic. But we can at least all agree with Pompey that HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!
"Where do we begin? The rubble or our CinemaSins?"
--Bastille
Think you finally gave me an aneurysm with this one.
Patiently explaining something so obvious to someone who is likewise making an effort to understand. That's true love right there.
"What do you mean Wolfenstein has always been anti-Nazi!? I never saw any politics in the old games, but now the new games focus so much on killing Nazi's! Woke pandering!"
Real takes I have seen.
Haha. Same as the people who complained that Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth had "woke climate change politics". I guess they forgot the whole thing about your team being eco-terrorists whose initial plan is to stop humans from draining the planet's resources.
*WUT.*
I thought the entire point of "Wolfenstein" was that the villains were something like vampire techno-Nazis or something crazy. Very speficially Nazi and your job was to kill Nazis.
There are people who freak out about Star Trek being “woke” too. I don’t know how anyone who considers themselves a fan of it can be that dense about it.
@@InAHollowTree Were they talking about the series in general or one of the more recent Star Treks? I've not seen it myself, but a lot have said that about one of the newer series specifically.
@@mnArqal93 honestly the newer series are less relatively progressive compared to their era
Not the same, but watching "cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2" with my 4 year old. We've watched it many times; it's a family favorite. He thinks that the villain became a villain at the end. He still doesn't understand that he was evil the whole time and just manipulating Flint.
That’s adorable.😂
Oof, Cloudy 2? Of all movies? well, he's four, and since you're here I trust you to teach him media literacy when he gets older, but honestly poor little guy that twist must've been emotionally impactful! He mustive been focusing super hard on Flint and his friends/family, the things like the idolization and also that cannibalism + insult moment? That's a unique childhood experience he's gonna have a story to tell when he gets older, honestly I hope he remembers.
Oh no, he might have trust issues regarding Bill Nye when he first goes to school! I speak from experience, finding Bill kinda scary made elementary school not so fun and me not so popular lmao. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I wouldn't be surprised, unless I'm projecting. Science idols, red flags, white-aligned LiveCorp, i imagine a betrayal like that would stick with him! I hope both of you are comfortable telling this story at family gatherings when he gets older, that's kind-of a silly betrayal but it was a feeling nontheless. bless his heart, good wishes to both of you good souls
@@ivyinkwell1754holy yap
Aww, bless
This is JUST LIKE watching a movie with your parents lol
I just love all of your videos. You’ve got such a great variety of characters and the writing and performances are always dead on. When I was a kid I was really shy, but I paid great attention to the people around me growing up. I think it helped me but also frustrated me. You turned your observations into some great comedy! Thanks for the laughs. In times like these it’s really appreciated!
this made me want to burst into tears
Imagine watching Memento with this guy
Would he even understand if you played it in chronological order?
I feel like I've just watched a Cinemasins video
Bless his heart
Some people do this on purpose in spite of having a broad knowledge of the subject on the show.
Yeah could be that
Me
It's frustrating to see people fail to understand really simple things but so satisfying to see it finally click with them
so many people forget that characters are not always reliable narrators. Just because a character says something does not mean it's the truth
You forgot the part where he thinks you're a bad person for watching a movie where bad people do bad things.
LMAO @ the British accents for the Roman characters
All Romans were secretly just British or Australian. You can trust me.
@@megb7715 And the non-Romans will speak perfect English but with a really forced 'foreign' accent
I admittedly struggle with small details of a film like if there’s a prop in the background that’s meant to be important or if a character takes a moment to read something on screen, I’m not a fast reader so I’ll probably miss it. I’m also bad with remembering characters names, especially if it’s a large cast.
But I am pretty good at picking out motifs, character motivations, running themes, and foreshadowing that’s not a quick detail that I’d miss if I looked down at my popcorn bowl at the wrong second
Everyone on tv show subreddits calling it bad writing when they have to be spoon fed everything
Scrolling bad reviews on GoodReads is exactly this
You know we need so much more of this guy. This was probably one of my favorite characters of yours
This is literally me watching TV with my parents "no mom, she's dreaming, can't you see the scene is a bit grey... that's a dream" 😭🙃
I can only laugh so much, my media literacy is shot
You are in control of that my dude
@@cam4636how do you better yourself at it? I have watched Christopher Nolan’s films many times hearing how meaningful and deep they are, I actively try to seek out the meanings but I cannot make those connections to the subtext in my head
What about caesars palace? Youre telling me he had nothing to do with the building plans of his own palace? Yeah, right.
This guy's shirt reminds me of a empire during ww1
Bro, this is literally my father whenever he watches a movie 💀