Not just a slight nerf either they killed it, nearly a 50% nerf on 4 set wtf. Was gonna add some spice to our rotation for a tier. Blizzard fun detected. Poor Kelade I expect u have to re do videos now :( bet tier 20 titanforge fishing is in our future urgghhh
quick questions. Fury Warrior Bloodbath Rotation with Tier 21 and sims for Amanthul's Vision and Khazgoroth's Courage....so if i havent received Amanthul's Vision and i'm rocking my convergence of fates still........stick with inner rage? also, pants + ring is the suggested combo right? i use helm + ring typically and when i simmed pants in place of helm, i lost 3%. that could be b/c the backup helm i have isnt great obviously. thanks for all the videos!
What the hell kind of knee jerk over reaction from blizz is this? How do you drop damage from 2 piece in almost half and reduce damage in 4 piece to 1/3?! Unreal.
Is it possible to get a rampage raging blow raging blow rampage rotation with more crit and the carnage talent? Because crits of raging blow aswell as rampage return rage Sadly i dont have either pants nor helmet to try this out
What about If I Have 1 battle cry relic And 2 ragingblow relics, I Also Have The Battle cry relic buffing My ragingblow cause of The netherlight crucible. So My question is, should I stick to inner rage??
So with the change to the priority does that move Wrath and Fury down on the list of relic traits? If we're taking the battle lord ring does that then move Deathdealer up?
Hi thanks for the vids, little question : Is it better to spam Rampage -> Exec -> Rampage -> Exec under Battle Cry ( with ring ), or just spamming the exec to stack the massacre and only use the rampage to enrage ?
Not sure, but I'd say just use rampage to enrage even during Battle Cry. First of all, know if rampage's bleeding stacks, if it doesn't then probably no. Otherwise, you'd have to do some maths, it'd be Rampage's dmg + 25% of it + 18% of the total, compare it to execute's dmg and see if the dmg increase is worth losing some stacks.
Kelade what do you tthink of bloodbath and carnage vs berseker, I tried both and it is true that the burst window is lower but the overal spec feels less shaky you rotation basically should never involve furious slash. Also the level of massacre you cast is really increasing obviously wich is good regarding teh buff it get with 2pc.
where can i get simcraft 730-03? i can find 02 but not 03 on oficial site. when i do simcraft with last fury tier it's odyn's fury on the table, but with t21 it is not don't know why, like it's any odyn's fury casted.
Hey, can anyone help me with the execute phase? i do the basic rotation at 100 Rage Rampage>Execute>Bloodthirst>raging Blow> execute>bloodthirst>... and hopefully im enraged again but sometimes im unlucky and not enraged after 2 rotations and it feels wasted dmg if im not enraged cause no lucky procs on bloodthirst. In battlecry i have to spam execute? if battcry is up my rotation is Battlecry>bloodthirst> execute 2x >bloodthirst> execute 2x is that right or what should i do better?
Hi Kelade could you actually show things like opener and aoe rotation with bloodbath? Im still not sure what to acrually do... also I really miss inner rage
As much as I can see the sense behind bloodbath, with the nerfs to the tier I may stick with my inner rage build. I seem to play differently to most warriors anyway, always floating between 20-25% crit. I was looking forward to carnage potentially becoming a thing if rampage had become our #1 ability, but ech. This whole update I'm kinda apprehensive about.
is the antorus set even a damage upgrade for fury? its like it deals less damage then furios slash and changes the rotation so uncomfortable. maybe im doing something really wrong but i dont feel good with the new fury at antorus.
Hey Kelade, coming from your old guide video. I wanted to ask when we have 2-3 targets if we use ww before every bloodthirst and rampage or do we only do it for rampages
Cant get this rotation/prio to increase my dps at all. 4pc T21 and I do around 150-200 k more with old rotation/prio. I DO only have the new ring and crafted lego belt. Sims do say I Should perform ~100 with BB but I just cant do it! I dummy targeting rotation from you would be a dream
I got a quesiton, If ur useing legendary pants and helm. How is ur Execute phase roation? With 20tier piece u usally just Stack up jugger, But with the new Sett pieces focusing on rampage u will lose alot of rage or stacking time because of it.
Hey Kelade, i tested out the Rotation on a Dummy and realised it can happen that you're not enraged and your BT doesnt crit and you're rage starved - Did i do sth wrong or is double FS no longer a Error, but more bad rng?
I don't think most people have to think about which trinket to take, they will get 0-1 trinket in the first week(s) anyways ^^ edit: great video btw. I think you might also want to talk about cooldown alignment with the next tier / bloodbath with and without convergence
how much damage should ill be doing with 940 ilvl, cause i can´t manage to do more than 1 million to the dummy. My stats are 23 crit 30 hast and 45 mastery.
don't forget that you can't do execute phase on most target dummies, i'm doing a log review stream on twitch in a bit, feel free to either check it out to see what you can look for in your own logs or you can submit your logs if you have them. it's a rotational/priority issue i think.
Assuming I don't have the Massacre ring (started playing this expac in Antorus), do I bother with execute at all or do I maintain the original rotation straight through to the finish?
Even with 4 piece T21? Without the massacre ring, there's really no opportunity to use rampage while executing, so I'm completely destroying any benefit I get from the set.
No one does that, ppl just stay showing screen and talking shit instead of showing tables. We're here for the rotation/talents addons, we're not here for a fucking research for fuck sake.
I think I'll stick with Inner Rage. It takes out the middle man RNG and provides much needed consistency for Fury. I know the rotation like the back of my hand now, and I can't imagine changing the way I play just for the sake of more damage. Appreciate the video! It's just not for me is all.
I love how all the FoTM babies are switching from Arms back to Fury and stopped nagging you in the comments to make an Arms guide. Antorus looks really promising for us!
Sairex von Sairex not me, I tested the way the spec plays now and it feels bad. I don't have the pants which feels like it's going to be required for this spec to work.
The way arms plays this expansion was good at the beginning. I liked Focused Rage a lot. Not a fan of the ToS incarnation, but it was just better overall. For a mythic group, it was needed to be the best spec. But Fury has and probably will always feel like a better spec, especially in Legion.
man this shit confuses me so fucking much considering ive use inner rage the entire expack with no problems and now im just suppose to fuckin switch to some new talent and try to relearn some dumbass rotation for one tier? alright cool so do you literally always save bloodbath for battle cry or do you just use it on cd? i dont get this at all and its pissing me off lol
During Boss 20% , after BC window is gone, is it wise to throw in more BT till we get F.Berserker, then we execute, rampage with *soul of battlelord ring* ?
ahh, back when I totally quit the game mid progress in tombs so I could actually get a job and money and qaualifications. returned back for shadowlands, then left after 1st patch and got sire denathius cutting edge during progression. then returned for dragonflight, and quit during progression. and I think I quit all together now. Legion warriors was the funnest experience in the history of the game i think. Then they change the rotation....
Hey Kelade, im feeling like im doing my rotation correctly with bloothbath and all that. (With legendary Pants and exe ring and 4 set hc bonus). But i dont really feel like my damage output is as high as it should be. Is there anything im doing wrong? With 10 ilvl difference our druid buttfucks me with singletarget dps. Please check out my armory and talents and see if there is anything i could switch: worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/kilrogg/fuji WOULD APPRICIATE ANY ANSWER
Your shooting for item lvl and not prioritizing stats. Trinkets dude. You have to have a better helm. Haste mastery. Dump the item lol increase crit crap.
Ayyy cheerio, currently switched to arms to check out my dmg output with Arms, but still. If i cant squeeze out more than 1,4m deeps with 4 set hc and both leggos(Fury), im not really sure what im doing wrong, might be me and my rotation, might be my shitty helm and trinkets.
I think you want to have 100 Rage at all times unless your frothing beserker is already active is my guess. So when you first click BC frothing gets active for 6 seconds which is the time that you will be able to get that 2nd rampage out at 85 rage.
@kelade just checking do we still hold for 100 rage to rampage outside of bc? Or dump it as soon as it's available and only use the 100 rage one after popping bc?
FURY TIER 21 JUST GOT NERFED. 2pc and 4pc were both hit. :(
Kelade jeeeez omg !!
why this happening people ate so jealous !!
Not just a slight nerf either they killed it, nearly a 50% nerf on 4 set wtf. Was gonna add some spice to our rotation for a tier. Blizzard fun detected.
Poor Kelade I expect u have to re do videos now :( bet tier 20 titanforge fishing is in our future urgghhh
This warrior is glad they are going prot for antorus.
Kelade this is way overkill how much they've nerfed it... what are they thinking..
Thanks for the videos Kelade! You're a cornerstone of the warrior community and my #1 go-to for upcoming raid content :D
Furel Kwatzky we love Kelade ❤️:3
Thanks Kelade! i really appreciate it :)
Dude your videos are amazing, helped me a lot finding a spot in my guilds raid
quick questions.
Fury Warrior Bloodbath Rotation with Tier 21 and sims for Amanthul's Vision and Khazgoroth's Courage....so if i havent received Amanthul's Vision and i'm rocking my convergence of fates still........stick with inner rage?
also, pants + ring is the suggested combo right? i use helm + ring typically and when i simmed pants in place of helm, i lost 3%. that could be b/c the backup helm i have isnt great obviously.
thanks for all the videos!
I really hope we keep inner rage. Inner rage just makes the spec more smooth and fun
Keep them coming man GG. Next week boss specific.
Kelade I love your Fury Warrior videos. Do you have a video explaining the addons that you like to use when playing your Fury Warrior?
Yep! ua-cam.com/video/nAOamL_MEZY/v-deo.html
What the hell kind of knee jerk over reaction from blizz is this? How do you drop damage from 2 piece in almost half and reduce damage in 4 piece to 1/3?! Unreal.
Does the autoattack ring work on the procc from Khaz'goroth?
Is it still possible to juggle FB during execute phase with this build?
Is it possible to get a rampage raging blow raging blow rampage rotation with more crit and the carnage talent? Because crits of raging blow aswell as rampage return rage
Sadly i dont have either pants nor helmet to try this out
So how long can we hold Battle Cry for Odyn's Fury
do we need to use the execute just when we hit 100 rage?
Nice video, but one question: do u use bloodbath on cooldown, so u apply the dot every possible time, or do u always wait for Battlecry?
Wait for battle cry.
What about If I Have 1 battle cry relic And 2 ragingblow relics, I Also Have The Battle cry relic buffing My ragingblow cause of The netherlight crucible. So My question is, should I stick to inner rage??
I don't even play fury anymore, I just love your informative videos.
Thanks, glad that they're still entertaining even for non fury warriors!
Yeah same but after i saw arms rotation with tier 21 im going back fury
So with the change to the priority does that move Wrath and Fury down on the list of relic traits? If we're taking the battle lord ring does that then move Deathdealer up?
that is likely
I got the 4p already but I am not nearly doing that dps with BB. Dont know what Im soing wrong.
Hi thanks for the vids, little question : Is it better to spam Rampage -> Exec -> Rampage -> Exec under Battle Cry ( with ring ), or just spamming the exec to stack the massacre and only use the rampage to enrage ?
Not sure, but I'd say just use rampage to enrage even during Battle Cry. First of all, know if rampage's bleeding stacks, if it doesn't then probably no. Otherwise, you'd have to do some maths, it'd be Rampage's dmg + 25% of it + 18% of the total, compare it to execute's dmg and see if the dmg increase is worth losing some stacks.
The second one.
Normaly you can do 2 exec before enrage go out and rampage shoud proc !
Does blood bath best inner rage when the patch drops,or only at the full set bonus ?
Bladge Dileo I think it's only once you get the 2 set at least
Yeah once you get the tier set
If i only have 2 pieces of the tier its better inner rage or bloodbath?
Great video! I'm a returning a player and just gearing up (no legos yet), do you recommend following your 7.2 rotation guide until I get the T21 4 pc?
Yep, that's correct.
Kelade what do you tthink of bloodbath and carnage vs berseker, I tried both and it is true that the burst window is lower but the overal spec feels less shaky you rotation basically should never involve furious slash. Also the level of massacre you cast is really increasing obviously wich is good regarding teh buff it get with 2pc.
carnage gives you 0 dps during execute phase if you have the massacre ring.
where can i get simcraft 730-03? i can find 02 but not 03 on oficial site.
when i do simcraft with last fury tier it's odyn's fury on the table, but with t21 it is not don't know why, like it's any odyn's fury casted.
go to the nightly builds section and download the latest one
Hey, can anyone help me with the execute phase? i do the basic rotation at 100 Rage Rampage>Execute>Bloodthirst>raging Blow> execute>bloodthirst>... and hopefully im enraged again but sometimes im unlucky and not enraged after 2 rotations and it feels wasted dmg if im not enraged cause no lucky procs on bloodthirst. In battlecry i have to spam execute? if battcry is up my rotation is Battlecry>bloodthirst> execute 2x >bloodthirst> execute 2x is that right or what should i do better?
Hi Kelade could you actually show things like opener and aoe rotation with bloodbath? Im still not sure what to acrually do... also I really miss inner rage
Jiří Zalubil yes please i want to
Looking forward to play fury again.
As much as I can see the sense behind bloodbath, with the nerfs to the tier I may stick with my inner rage build. I seem to play differently to most warriors anyway, always floating between 20-25% crit. I was looking forward to carnage potentially becoming a thing if rampage had become our #1 ability, but ech. This whole update I'm kinda apprehensive about.
Im kinda happy about the nerf, I really dislike the Rotation without inner rage :(
is the antorus set even a damage upgrade for fury? its like it deals less damage then furios slash and changes the rotation so uncomfortable. maybe im doing something really wrong but i dont feel good with the new fury at antorus.
Yeah it is an upgrade, you'll really feel it on aoe fights and execute phase.
Hey Kelade, coming from your old guide video. I wanted to ask when we have 2-3 targets if we use ww before every bloodthirst and rampage or do we only do it for rampages
Just rampage
With the nerfs, should you still run BB?
Yep, it's still the same.
Cant get this rotation/prio to increase my dps at all. 4pc T21 and I do around 150-200 k more with old rotation/prio. I DO only have the new ring and crafted lego belt.
Sims do say I Should perform ~100 with BB but I just cant do it! I dummy targeting rotation from you would be a dream
Check out the pov videos! Especially the single target ones.
I got a quesiton, If ur useing legendary pants and helm. How is ur Execute phase roation? With 20tier piece u usally just Stack up jugger, But with the new Sett pieces focusing on rampage u will lose alot of rage or stacking time because of it.
you would play the same way you're currently playing with tier 20
thanks for the answer :)
Will you use all Massacre Procs immediately with Battlecry?
No, you use it to stay enraged. Executes still do the most dmg.
How much dps would say I should be able to do with ilevel 936?
Best way to find out would be to sim your character.
hey I see you have like 37% haste now, is haste now king? I have like 25% with like 60% mastery... should I stack haste with the new teir?
I just happen to have gear with that much haste, there isn't a specific reason why I have that much haste. Just go with what sims the best for you!
Hey Kelade, i tested out the Rotation on a Dummy and realised it can happen that you're not enraged and your BT doesnt crit and you're rage starved - Did i do sth wrong or is double FS no longer a Error, but more bad rng?
This happens in maybe 1 out of 30 hits. Seems to be a bug that is in the game since 7.1
That has absolutely nothing to do with bugs etc, thats a regular question regarding the rotation
correct, if your bt doesn't crit, and you're not at 100 rage, you will have to do the dreaded double FS.
do i only use bloodbath when i have battle cry up?
for the most part yes, don't use BB if you don't have BC
thanks for the answer mate. im very new to fury.
seems like ur really looking forward to antorus :D finally furys gonna be #1!
I don't think most people have to think about which trinket to take, they will get 0-1 trinket in the first week(s) anyways ^^
edit: great video btw. I think you might also want to talk about cooldown alignment with the next tier / bloodbath with and without convergence
he did that in his last video, even without CoF you still want to line your bloodbaths up with battle cry
Are we not worried about overlaping the enrages while following this priority?
Nope, we never were.
Wow dude it took you like 2 minutes to reply. I felt like i private messaged you or something. You are awesome, thank you.
Np! I try to answer all the questions that are out there.
du we still go bloodbath talent? with other words do the vid still show how to get the most dps, after the nerf?
yep!
i got 2 sæt bonus now, do i switch to bloodbath now or do i wait until i have 4 sæt?
up to you, dps not too different with either talent
and with 4 sæt you swtch talent, right? or still not the big differens ? ps thx for answer :)
yeah with 4pc
You are the best TY
any one can hit a rotation with 4 set +trinket + blood path durning bc and with out bc
how much damage should ill be doing with 940 ilvl, cause i can´t manage to do more than 1 million to the dummy. My stats are 23 crit 30 hast and 45 mastery.
There's way too many other factors than just your stat percentages. How much do you sim for?
1,396,349 dps i used Raidbots quick sim
don't forget that you can't do execute phase on most target dummies, i'm doing a log review stream on twitch in a bit, feel free to either check it out to see what you can look for in your own logs or you can submit your logs if you have them. it's a rotational/priority issue i think.
ty for the help it actually was ratation and priority issues, i was used to the old build and rotation.
Assuming I don't have the Massacre ring (started playing this expac in Antorus), do I bother with execute at all or do I maintain the original rotation straight through to the finish?
You still execute even without the massacre ring.
Even with 4 piece T21? Without the massacre ring, there's really no opportunity to use rampage while executing, so I'm completely destroying any benefit I get from the set.
Yep, in a raid fight you will still end up doing more with execute due to how strong juggernaut is.
is it better to wait for enraged execute? or with juggernaut use execute when it is up?
5:07 in the video talks about it. there will be times where you hit a non-enraged Execute, which is when you don't have a massacre proc.
6:37 rip t21
For a video about bloodbath, you sure dont talk about it all.
xvocab everything in this video is using bloodbath
Would have liked you to hit a dummy with these talents for a bit, but nice vid.
Me too
same
Thats what I came here for, lol
No one does that, ppl just stay showing screen and talking shit instead of showing tables. We're here for the rotation/talents addons, we're not here for a fucking research for fuck sake.
I think I'll stick with Inner Rage. It takes out the middle man RNG and provides much needed consistency for Fury. I know the rotation like the back of my hand now, and I can't imagine changing the way I play just for the sake of more damage. Appreciate the video! It's just not for me is all.
Grample Gust your picture explains how much BB will dominate Inner Rage in logs in the next tier
This picture is me trying to contain myself, knowing I'll never be at the top of the meters ever again. The dream is over.
Don’t give up. Tier 21 just got nerfed.
we still top dps though :) we always fucking top no matter wt nerfs we get
"I can't imagine changing the way I play just for the sake of more damage."
scrub detected. don't post ever again.
I love how all the FoTM babies are switching from Arms back to Fury and stopped nagging you in the comments to make an Arms guide. Antorus looks really promising for us!
Sairex von Sairex not me, I tested the way the spec plays now and it feels bad. I don't have the pants which feels like it's going to be required for this spec to work.
The way arms plays this expansion was good at the beginning. I liked Focused Rage a lot. Not a fan of the ToS incarnation, but it was just better overall. For a mythic group, it was needed to be the best spec.
But Fury has and probably will always feel like a better spec, especially in Legion.
now that tier 21 got nerfed inner rage or bloodbath?
Sim it, it changes every day for me, it's really weird. Tbh, just get used to both rotations and sim it every time you get new items :D
man this shit confuses me so fucking much considering ive use inner rage the entire expack with no problems and now im just suppose to fuckin switch to some new talent and try to relearn some dumbass rotation for one tier? alright cool so do you literally always save bloodbath for battle cry or do you just use it on cd? i dont get this at all and its pissing me off lol
any replies would be great
yeah, you save bloodbath for battle cry, regardless if you have convergence of fates or not.
Ok cool thank you kelade you're literally my warrior savior
During Boss 20% , after BC window is gone, is it wise to throw in more BT till we get F.Berserker, then we execute, rampage with *soul of battlelord ring* ?
the fuck?
ahh, back when I totally quit the game mid progress in tombs so I could actually get a job and money and qaualifications. returned back for shadowlands, then left after 1st patch and got sire denathius cutting edge during progression. then returned for dragonflight, and quit during progression. and I think I quit all together now. Legion warriors was the funnest experience in the history of the game i think. Then they change the rotation....
Love your vids. Keep up The good work. Can you do a macro video för anturas for fury t21😀
Thanks! I don't have any macros for pve actually. The only one that i have is to pop all my cooldowns (bc, avatar, bloodbath, and troll racial).
So mastery is the main stat now?
mastery and haste really, with a slight preference for mastery if you have all the gear.
You do amazing videos why the fuck do you not make for other classes and make more videos!
not enough time :(
Well, you are amazing at making videos brother. Keep it up! gl
Hey Kelade, im feeling like im doing my rotation correctly with bloothbath and all that. (With legendary Pants and exe ring and 4 set hc bonus). But i dont really feel like my damage output is as high as it should be. Is there anything im doing wrong? With 10 ilvl difference our druid buttfucks me with singletarget dps. Please check out my armory and talents and see if there is anything i could switch: worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/kilrogg/fuji
WOULD APPRICIATE ANY ANSWER
Your shooting for item lvl and not prioritizing stats. Trinkets dude. You have to have a better helm. Haste mastery. Dump the item lol increase crit crap.
But grats on getting the proper 4 set in just one week. Damn lucky.
Ayyy cheerio, currently switched to arms to check out my dmg output with Arms, but still. If i cant squeeze out more than 1,4m deeps with 4 set hc and both leggos(Fury), im not really sure what im doing wrong, might be me and my rotation, might be my shitty helm and trinkets.
Trinkets are good.. its prolly a rotation problem. how much do u sim for
So what's the rotation?? You only talk about priorities...
Priorities make up the rotation. If you execute the priority, that's the rotation.
I love the Inner rage rotation. God why does bloodbath have to be better.
1- mate u are a fucking legend
2- so now i dont have to use rampge at 100 rage ?
only during BC window, BC+AT+BB ->Ramp(100rage) -> generate rage using BT,RB -> then hit Ramp when its available.
Yeah I'm confused also just hit rampage right when we get to 85 rage?
I think you want to have 100 Rage at all times unless your frothing beserker is already active is my guess. So when you first click BC frothing gets active for 6 seconds which is the time that you will be able to get that 2nd rampage out at 85 rage.
u lads are sick cheers 👌🏻
If you can get an enraged Rampage during BC do it even if you are not at 100 rage
Amazing vid but man bloodbath. Oh well, anything for fury.
Johnny aranda without the legendary pants this spec feels... bad.
Ok in the video muste be said one thing!!! Play arms and not a spec for 5year olds like fury
@kelade just checking do we still hold for 100 rage to rampage outside of bc? Or dump it as soon as it's available and only use the 100 rage one after popping bc?
outside of BC you wait for 100 rage before your rampage (this is non-execute of course).
Is it still possible to juggle FB during execute phase with this build?
Alex Cluff no don’t do that anymore
Thanks!