ATC Controller's UNINTELLIGIBLE clearance creates CHAOS!
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Even when he's sarcastically over-enunciating every word, he still can't manage better than "cleraalan"
I love when he sarcastically reads the wind and runway slowly, he STILL manages to garble the important bit
Haha I noticed the same thing 😂
Why cannot these controllers be instructed to say: " Cleared to land.", instead of clearalan? Would take an extra half-second, and would save numerous extra calls from pilots seeking confirmation of what they think the controller said, or didn't say.
He's being pushed for efficiency and is slurring his words due to repetition. He's also quick keying and stepping on the pilots' transmissions. I'm glad I don't live in L.A. or fly anymore.
@@davesnothere.Agreed, but he has a responsibility to make his instructions clear and unambiguous - from time to time supervisors listen in to radio exchanges so I'm astonished he's not been picked up for this. An indistinct "Clealan" might sound slick, but sloppy rt procedure is unprofessional and can easily lead to misunderstandings.
I thought it was cliddalan.
@@annoyingbstard9407 :)
@@annoyingbstard9407 You are correct. My bad spelling.....and hearing!
Wow this is like, an SNL sketch. Even after being told he can’t be understood he keeps doing it.
chris kattan reporting for duty.
@@alwaysfishhard4953 I was thinking the exact same thing.
Perfect comment.
He seems to be speaking Slurvian. Needs to repeat 2nd grade.
The French pilot spoke better English than the controller.
Can you imagine being a foreign pilot and trying to understand that?
😂😂😂😂 Best comment ever!
Man, try listening to this video without captions and see if you can understand what the controller is saying. I looked away for a second and realized I couldn’t understand what he was saying at all.
Then try and imagine it in the cockpit with all the other little noises creeping in under the headset along with preoccupation of flying your aircraft. Clear and concise ATC coms is key to the most important factor, safety!
It's really not hard if you do it for a living
now try that while flying and with a ton of ambient noise around you...
as a retired air traffic controller, I would still like that tower (local) controller show me how he can clear multiple aircraft to use the same runway at the same time under FAA regulations....... sigh the sloppiness is appalling
Yeah I agree. I have to turn on captioning whenever Biden speaks too.
"Ah ah redda tol ya tra tams ya cleralan. Tra listen ta tha werds am tallin ya! On ma tam cleralan!"
LOL, youtube is giving me an option to translate your comment to english!
literally a translate to english appears under that lamo laaammaaao
@@johndonovan7018 It works not only for English. This UA-cam feature offers to translate many slang phrases to the same language. Looks ridiculous! 😁
@@protomake1349 That's what i found even more hilarious 🤣
Fedex making a big deal over nothing, it was obvious they were cleralan.
This controller has no business handling this level of responsibility given he is completely unable to speak and enunciate properly. I am a native western American English speaker and I can barely understand him. This is dangerous.
And they will be the first to complain about foreign pilots
question: are you a real pilot too or "only" a native western American English speaker............. ?.... that's gonna make a difference i.m. eyes..................
As a pilot since 1978, and a retired controller I had no problem understanding anything. If you are not a pilot chances are you might have trouble understanding because the phraseology is unfamiliar and your brain needs to translate. That doesn’t explain how a fedex pilot couldn’t figure it out, it was plain and in the expected order.
@@efoxxok7478 I disagree. While the controller DID say “cleared to land” the FedEx Pilot Not Flying responded the first time with “Okay Number 2”. He did not respond with a cleared to land acknowledgment. He then queried the controller who stated ‘Number 1 cleared to land’. Then the FedEx pilot not flying wanted clarification of ‘cleared to land’ to make sure he heard it correctly. Instead of the controller saying a short “ affirmative, Cleared to Land”, he opted for a longer “ this is the third time, etc” at which the FedEx said “ you did not… “ instead of a more diplomatic “we didn’t hear it or understand it…”. It was issued and it was in the correct order. But it was not plain or easy to understand. In fact, in one of the transmissions, he was very clear in EVERYTHING else except the “cleared to land”. He was rushing it and making it sound like one word, with the word “land” always trailing off into a “laaaa”. Communication and understanding with a clear acknowledgment is key in this world, and if anyone fails to fully hear, understand, and acknowledge, it’s ok, appropriate and necessary to ask for clarification
@sara0028 all I said was the controller did clear him to land twice. It was given in the correct format and I understood it each time. I fail to nderstand how the FedEx pilot didn’t get it.
In all honesty, even with all the accents of different countries here in Europe, I have never had real problems understanding the key instructions, like landing clearances. But this controller is just unprofessional, emphasizing minor information pieces and mumbling the important ones away. Unbelievable.
This controller has the weirdest intonation I’ve ever heard. He needs to work on his diction.
I don’t even know what the hell accent that is lol
@@Jump-2-the-moon I was thinking maybe a light Cajun
@@rona4960 Sounds a little Asian to me. Maybe a mix; he may have been born in Asia, then learned English from a native Louisianian?
@@HiddenWindshield Well, that's a horrible thought. Learning English from a Louisianan?
@@Jump-2-the-moonhe sounds like my relatives from Lafayette, Louisiana.
the classic mistake - assuming speed of speech equals efficiency
This guy needs to watch JFK tower for a day to see how it's actually done if he wants to talk that fast, lol.
speed of speech does set an upper limit on how much you can say but it doesn't mean you've achieved that limit.
And speed of speech from the sender rarely equals speed of understanding by the listener…..
Same thing with speech and intelligence.
The control is hard to understand at times ! The pilot was right he didn't say clearly to land the previous time he said your number one !
diversity in them their tone
@@jamescollier3Go boil an egg, you nut
rewatch it, he said "clear to land" every time. The problem is the way he says it, it comes out as a "clearaland"
When native English speakers find this ATC difficult to understand, I shudder to think of what some foreign pilots have to deal with at this airport. I realize it's a busy place and the ATCs are under pressure, but speaking that rapidly and mumbling half the words is counterproductive. It works when the pilots know what to expect and can pluck the right syllables out of the garble, but it could be disaster if they misinterpret. Kudos to the pilot that required two repeats!
Maybe he's drunk
Might be easier for foreign pilots as they deal with foreign accents all the time. If you listen to different type of accents often it does get easier for me. Perhaps the fedex pilot only flies in the us and isn’t used to hearing an accent that isn’t the easiest to decipher.
Go to Southeast Asia and I feel like this is all you hear
You know that not all foreigners are non-english speakers, right? The language is literally named after a country other than the US. Half the world is native english speaking. I think what you probably mean is that when even US citizens, more used to the many different accents and dialects in this country, struggle to understand this, it must be so much worse for those from other countries, native english speakers or not.
@@marklnz Idk if ur comment was in response to mine. But if so, it’s the complete opposite that I mean.
First of all, half of the world is native English speaker is a delusional comment, it’s more like 5%.
Secondly, pilots come across way more accents flying in Asia and Europe than in America. Idk how you think flying in the us exposes you to a whole lot of accents?
What I mean is, when you come across a whole lot of accents, it’s gets easier deciphering the tougher or harsher ones with time.
@@Die4dutch2 nope. I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to the OP.
I'm a retired ATC 25+ years, Tower, Approach and Center. In the last 6 years the screening and training has been so dumbed down as to be dangerous. There was a time this controller never would have made it through the academe.
I take it you go through regular physical examinations. How is hearing checked? Is it just the audiogram with simple single frequency tones in the ear-pieces?
Bad hearing leads to unclear speech.
I flew Navy 4 engine a/c for 25 years. I’d be interested in your opinion as a veteran in the tower and ATC….. this guy sounds like he’s trying too hard to be fast and cool. He’s compressing and truncating his words unnecessarily. “Cleared To Land” is one of the most crucial instructions we can receive. We all strain to hear it clearly. I believe this controller needs to be pulled and counseled to annunciate and speak clearly and sent for retraining. Otherwise, he is risking a disaster. What do you think ? Thanks.
I heard “FedEx 3745…contraband…” 😂
Completely agree, his enunciation , particularly "cleared to land" leaves a lot to be desired - he rolls words together rather than having specific breaks.
ATC speaking Creojun Louississippianese dialect.
Bullshit. I'm from Louisiana and we don't speak like that. That is Spanglish sir.
@@marcoosvald8429 I was joking. You're probably right about the Spanglish.
With a little bit of speedy sluring thrown in .
@@marcoosvald8429souther hick
@@marcoosvald8429southern hick
I've listened to this a few times. I can't decide if he has an odd accent (and if so, from where), or a speech impediment, or a combination of both. Regardless, it does make him rather difficult to understand at times, which could lead to disaster if a pilot just "assumed" he was hearing what he "thought" he should be hearing at a certain time. Asking for clarification is certainly not unreasonable from the pilots, but it starts to jam up the frequency. It's a mess.
Sounds like a New England accent combined with an impediment like a cleft!
Yeah I immediately thought speech impediment. I’m a native English speaking pilot and it was incredibly hard to decipher any of his clearances.
since when does "clun" equal "cleared to land"?
New ATC phraseology in effect since a month ago 😝 just kidding
I swore he was caling the pilot a clitorus.
Air France always adds a little bit of class to an ATC recording
I agree on this point 😃
Like wiping your @#& with silk.
The controller sounds like a South Park character.
clee a lan respect my authoritay
Even when this Tower operator slows down and in an attempt to slowly repeat what he has ordered him to do, he still fails to say the word cleared all he says is to land. This is not a ship that's trying to see the shore. This is an aircraft that needs clear guidance that they are cleared to land not cut TL or some other gobbledygook. He needs clear instruction
The ATC reminds of the English comedy sketch from years ago when a prospective train station announcer was being auditioned and you couldn't understand a single word he said. He got the job because he was just what they were looking for..
comedy sketch about a job interview for the role of "Station Announcer."
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Controller sounds like a tobacco auctioneer from North Carolina. I had a very difficult time trying to parse what he was saying. He needs to slow down - it isn't a contest to see how fast he can talk. He also needs to vastly improve his diction.
I’ve never understood how aircraft can be cleared to land when there is traffic on final ahead and/or on the Runway. In the UK and Europe ‘cleared to land’ means there are no aircraft on approach to the same runway ahead of you to land and that the runway is clear of all traffic and you are cleared to land or Go Around.
Exactly, it makes zero sense that the American is cleared to land BEFORE the plane occupying the runway is even cleared for takeoff. How can you be "cleared" to land when there's a massive plane blocking the runway and not even moving yet?
That is true, but it also means that sometimes you get cleared to land only when you are already above the approach lights....
It seems that Americans don't like that, and prefer to get a landing clearance 2 miles before for it then to be canceled when they are above the threshold.
It’s such a strange system, if there’s any fog and an aircraft rejects the takeoff and their communication is stepped on then there will be a massive crash.
@@OCinneide That is another strange thing: that in 2024 aviation still uses that antique communication system that allows parties to "step on eachother" and make messages unreadable...
I ran the conversation at 3/4 speed and still had trouble understanding that controller.
That controllers ridiculous drawl is brutally unintelligible.
I don't know how anyone could understand that controller clearly. I fly a small aircraft and I'd find it next to impossible to get every word he says. Controllers need to be able to speak clearly and enunciate their words clearly as a single misunderstanding by a pilot could lead to disaster. This guy's drawl is a real impediment in a busy cockpit.
I'm British, and can hear "clurdelarnd" "lurnupnwade" (Line up and wait), The "caution wake turbulence" at 1:51 was "currsinwtrblns"
US ATC has a huge issue of speaking way too fast, which leads to expectation bias and complacency. An accident will eventually happen because of this. And we’ve already seen so many close incidents in the past years. Ridiculous
That is just great - they hire an air traffic controller with a speech impediment ! Great -
You must be joking !
Diversity is our Strength!
DEI!
@@mapolinskigrow up
@@DinoDiniProductions Respect for diversity is clearly not your strength.
That controller has either a weird accent or a speech impediment that makes it difficult to understand him.
That controller is slurring his words.
One would think that such a critical clearance should be exceptionally clear, especially if clarification is requested. Fight for your ego later.
In Nawleans speak, "cuda-lah" means "cleared to land." "Tublence" means "turbulence."
Ultimately, Fedex never did get told: "Cleared To Land". (as in three words)... It was always "clertalnd" every time. I'm still trying to find that in my aviation lexicon! 🙂 Imagine trying to understand that after (probably?) flying all night and being busy flying/configuring an aircraft for landing. d'oh!!
Not sure what kind of accent that ATC has, but he really shouldn't be pushing tin at a hub like LAX. That's just an accident waiting to happen
that controller did his human best to condense 3 words down to a single syllable. also keying his mic so fast he's stepping on transmissions left and right. even if this is a bad day for him, it's an unacceptably poor performance that needs remediation
Super High and super fast controller 🙇
If he'd slow down by 10%, it would help immensely
@@bsmith1164 exactly
@@shawon_rahaman undoubtedly
Controller got some cajun in 'im 😂
From a pilot's perspective, this is so aggravating! Double, when you consider the fact that the LAX Tower is a facility only relatively experienced controllers qualify for. In other words, this gentleman has been doing the 'drawl' thing for a LONG TIME.
How do you figure LAX tower has only “relatively experienced controllers”….the FAA did away with “career progression” over 25 years ago. Rookies start at all levels of facilities now.
I'm stating this objectively, and with a clear mind to the fact that my Australian accent is more than just difficult to understand. The controller needs elocution lessons and needs to time phrasing much, much better. He's topping out at well over 200 words per minute and he is failing to pronounce words adequately. He's got a "lazy tongue". I'm not trolling him at all, and it's not accent that's the problem here, it's lack of training. Unless LAX is planning on auctioning off take off and landing clearances in the near future, he really needs another position at the company until he can develop the required skills.
Sounds like Biden.
@rogerwatson2255 yea if the controller started blatantly lying, it'd be Trumf
Listen to Australian ATC. Clear, concise and professional. Not ever this gibberish. 🇦🇺🦘🐨
As a former controller myself, the way he is giving instructions is not wrong per se but is not as intelligible as it could be. I learned early on that the clearer you say something and at a moderate pace, especially during busy times, you save time. Assuming that LA tower is still a government controlled tower, they probably won't come down on him for his technique as hard as a contract tower would.
When multiple people ask you to repeat yourself…maybe, juuuuust maybe, you’re the problem.
It's Boomhauer!
Yeah man dem dang ol controllers takin about dem dang ol pilots upin d air dare talkin bout dem funny fancy code lingo n stuff yup mm hmm
All my respect to the pilots out there maintaining their composure under this stressful situation.
He probably thinks he’s cute saying “kleddelaa”
clidalan
What a terrible voice. No wonder these guys can’t understand him. Unacceptable
Huh ? Say what ? Mumble … unacceptable ATC WTF ?
I don't see any efficiency in speaking so quickly if being unintelligible requires repetition of a previous statement. The controller cannot assume that everyone is familiar with the terminology. Yes, commercial pilots hear the same things over and over again, but occasionally someone comes in from (say, Brazil) who is second language at best and not familiar with dropped syllables. Just saying.
Even local pilots who "hear that same thing every day" shouldn't assume "cleared to land" when he says "clealan". Assuming what you think you'll hear (or want to hear) is a recipe for disaster.
ATC has a strong Southern drawl (Louisiana in particular), which takes time to get used to. Have so many coworkers from there that I’m used to it but it can be a challenge to decipher to those not used to hearing it.
If you want to hear good quality ATC under real stress, listen to the British Airways flight 38 audio. Some US ATC is absolutely atrocious.
It’s CLEARED to land. Not clear to land.
The main problem in America is that no one follow ICAO telecommunications standards. They talk plain English which is not correct. As an airline pilot who flew in US and EU I can tell the difference.
That controller is capable of clearly saying "cleared to land". He does so at 3:03. He should be more careful of his speed of speech.
I am surprised there aren't more accidents, go-arounds, and miscommunications with controllers like this. He is absolutely unintelligible.
I understood it. Now, I know why my FedEx packages are late. Of course, ATC does sound like he’s working at MSY.
Ask the controller to turn on subtitles. I can make out most of what he’s saying, but I would need need an interpreter for the rest!
You’d think after the 5th plane in a row asked for multiple clarifications he’d reflect and think “maybe it’s me”?
Well yes, but he's a clueless narcissist. TF is WRONG with every pilot landing in LA?
I'm British and I can understand him perfectly. Seems to have a hybrid Irish/North American accent.
The ability and desire to speak clearly are core job requirements, not a nice-to-haves. Controller’s mumble/accent made it harder for everyone, including himself.
guy in the tower is flighting a damn stroke! Get him outta there.
There should be a rule that says ATC controllers aren't allowed to keep marbles in their mouth when on duty.
Not the time or place for your own signature style. If your job is to give instructions over the radio it's better to be forgotten as soon as the transaction is complete than to be remembered forever.
Lmao I think air France at 3:21 was mocking tower
yes the French
“Claddalah” - I can’t find it in the dictionary 🤷♂️
Phew... Now i need to listen to some good ol' Boston John ATC recordings
We are listening this with captions and we can go back in te video if we didn’t understand something. Now imagine the pilots with all the pressure and stress we have on us for being the PIC, then we have to deal with this type of COMMS. (i’m not blaming the ATC at all, it’s just how aviation works)
"Clidalin" is not "Cleared to land". Where did this ATC go to school? 🙂
US pilots: "Say again?"
French pilot: "Yah of course, I have understood Tower perfectly!"
Yo who took this boy from Birmingham INTL?! Jesus
Speech is best offered in carefully measured tones that operate in the full low-to-high range. This controller has a hurried but slightly slurred monotone. All it takes is for someone to tell him so that he can improve. I think he has a good attitude handling traffic in one of the busiest airports in the world. It's just his speech that needs work. In the meantime, we should pray for all those international pilots coming in to land.
I can't understand him
An old friend of mine used to say : "I'm in a hurry, so slow down".
He sounds like my relatives in Louisiana.
The ATC has a real future as an Auctioneer!
"Cleared to land" is very important for pilots to hear clearly for obvious (as well as legal) reasons, so controllers should take the extra millisecond to say it in a way that every pilot - incl. foreign ones - clearly understand it.
It’s a sad day when Air France are clearer on the radio than the Tower in USA. That bloke simply cannot speak English, doesn’t let the comms flow properly and shouldn’t be in the tower.
Pilots should be able to ask for clarification without being spoken to that way. If a pilot can’t understand you, you probably need to speak more clearly. And even if it was just a one-time mistake (on either side), at least they are double checking for safety. When a pilot feels like they are doing something wrong by checking on an important clearance, that’s when you get them landing or taking off without clearance because they THOUGHT they heard it right, and didn’t want to look foolish by checking. Pilots should always double check if they aren’t sure, and controllers should just read it back to them without giving them an attitude. Anything less is unsafe.
Unintelligible is a better word than illegible unless he's sending them handwritten notes. Clearly his diction needs work.
I don't usually hear a controller stepping on people that much...
If you're a new pilot to this area you wouldn't be able to understand cleared to land. The only times i knew he said it were when reading subtitles and later on in the video after hearing then say "Cleared to land" multiple times.
Controler if you are watching this or reading the comments, please make sure the pilots and everyone else around you can hear the word "to" when saying "Cleared to land."
Controller is talking TOO FAST! It's causing his words to run together. I've heard it a lot at busy airports where they're trying to do a lot in a short period of time. And pilots do it too (a lot of improper readbacks here fellas). Slow down and take the time to be clear and precise.
My pov is obviously unpopular, judging by the comments but I seriously had no problem understanding him.
Yeah... Said real fast sounded like "clittalund." Impossible to understand. The controller was wrong. Should be spoken "CLEAR TO LAND."
Terrible diction, rushed, unclear and dangerous ATC.
It’s even worse out overseas.
I've been saying for years that ATC need to understand that clarity is more important than speed. There is no need to talk so fast, it doesn't mean you are better or more efficient, as evidenced by this, and many other examples.
I understand a speech impediment doesn't and shouldn't disqualify you from any job but the controller needs to also understand that if pilots are having a very difficult time understanding him, it puts lives in danger. He should realize his limitations and work around them by slowing down his wpm or taking speech therapy. no hate for the controller, this is simply the reality.
From my extensive experience of operating into LAX this sounded like a typical day there.
This is why you don’t hire air traffic controllers on their second career after being an auctioneer…
He sounds like he should be New Orleans controller, almost got the swamp talk going!
This controller is awful. Hides the cleared to land way in and he is talking way too much. Be concise and be understandable.
Even when listening to this I'm sure atc thinks he did nothing wrong. Wonderful oversight FAA!
Controller is like listening to a Tic Tack girl that speaks on 4x speed
I understand everyone is different in their hearing, but I listened to this with my eyes closed and understood every word the controller was saying. Captain for a major airline and rarely do I get to LAX as much as I used to, however I didn’t find anything unintelligible in those transmissions. Other non-standard phraseology by other aircraft was more apparent than the controller. I’ve had a much harder time not understanding controllers in and around MIA than this guy. Just my opinion.
In country boy drawl, you hear how slow I'm talkin', well that's the same way I listen.
He reminds me of Fred Fenster (Benecio del Toro's character) from the Usual Suspects film
Much ado about nothing. I listened with my eyes closed and understood every Tower transmission no problem. Some of the aircraft responses were a little garbled but that might be the audio quality of the video source. There were 3 things that seemed off a bit:
1. The FedEx crew sounds really fatigued. It happens. You reaffirm your clearance, sometimes more than once. End of story.
2. Either the controller misjudged the spacing on the Super departure/AA landing, or Air France took an inordinate amount of time lining up and starting their roll. It happens. Handled well by both controller and AA crew. Kinda lean toward the controller misjudged the spacing because of the mild, good-natured rebuke from the AA crew after they landed on the second approach.
3. Spirit's low altitude alert was the weirdest. There's nothing but flat ground underlying that final approach to 25L, so what was that all about?
All in all, just another day at a busy airport.