To any aspiring filmmakers, if you ever reach the point where you can borrow a $400,000 antique guitar for your movie, don’t. 99.99999% of people are never going to know or care that you used a replica.
The question is: why do you lend out a guitar of that value for a movie during which the audience will never be able to tell whether it’s a fake or real one? This is stupid.
Maybe the museum wanted to include a tag on the guitar, when they returned it, about being used on a movie. That will explain too the low insurance over a piece so expensive. They probably wanted just to add valor to the piece.
you never know man, people have a keen eye for detail. you might not and i don't when it comes to guitars but some people do. and for them they might appreciate that small detail.
ricky gonzaga Meh. It takes more than an eye. Plus, when it comes to Tarantino, make no mistake his stuff is never historically accurate or keen on such details.
This is one of those moments when you just wonder why any of this was ever a thing to begin with. For a movie scene, just pay someone to make a replica of the guitar, who is going to be looking so hard at a movie scene to notice or care if a prop made to be broken is the real thing?
What I don't understand is, if production had multiple replica guitars, why THE HELL would you request a real Martin Guitar to be on set? Most viewers wouldn't be able to tell the difference in guitars; this risk was very unnecessary.
I agree, and what I dont get is if she knew the guitar was to be smashed in that scene and acted surprised after he smashed it, why did she allow herself to play it?
@@thedude4728 From what ive read elsewhere, that was the idea and apparently the director was supposed to have cut the scene after playing, then switched guitars before smashing the replica guitar. Its hard to think it was not deliberate.
Wow, this just makes the movie even better. Don't get me wrong, what happened to the guitar is tragic, but knowing that reaction was real makes the scene so much sweeter.
+Onmysheet I mean she could be freaking out because she realized that Kurt threw away the coffee of poison or that since Kurt was mad, he was probably going to handcuff her again.
An guitar that's been "alive" for over a hundred years doesn't even make the scene any more authentic. The most authentic thing would've actually been a replica that was made forty years prior, because that's as old as the real guitar could've been in setting of the movie.
We sometimes forget that millions of money makes any man a power hungry tyrant. Tarantino knew it was the real guitar, that wierd feet obsessed ignorant cunt. But you think he cares? Absolutely not and you know why because without limitations all humans will grow sour and apathetic.
If they had followed proper guitar safety, this sorta thing never would have happened. Never jam out on a guitar you don't intend Kurt Russell to smash
It's the sound apparently, they wanted it to sound authentic and then they planned to swap it out with a fake but Kurt didn't know they hadn't swapped it out and there you go
Pretty much just to get a reaction from the actors. There's no way he didn't know how serious it was, he just thought the reaction from the actors would be worth destroying the guitar. He's a scumbag, Tarantino that is.
@@ihaveachihuahau incorrect, tarentino used a real martin for the song because of autism but they were supposed to cut when kurt grabbed the guitar and swap it for a replica to be smashed.
Anyone with any knowledge about musical instruments would immediately be able to tell if they were using a guitar that didn't fit the time period. Look up a picture of an 1850's guitar and a 2010's acoustic guitar and they don't look even remotely similar other than the basic shape
Why would they give anyone an irreplaceable guitar for a movie scene!? They could simply have bought a top of the line Martin guitar and had it aged for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the price. This is pure stupidity.
@FallingDownClown Let's be honest, Quentin's films don't need any publicity stunts like this. He just releases them and people watch them cause he's Quentin fucking Tarantino. I'm thinking this was a genuine accident.
I like authenticity as much as the next guy but I don't see the point of lending such a valuable object, for free, all so it can be in a scene where maybe 10 people on the planet would recognize an otherwise unremarkable guitar.
I almost blame Martin for lending this piece of history. The scene did not justify having this guitar. Should have never left the museum. I almost feel like it is marketing stunt for the movie and Martin because it will forever be talked about.
@Balakeh well. If you are gullible to eat what corporations feed you instead of seeing reality then I understand why you are quick to repeat mindlessly feelings and not data.
@Balakeh you are avoiding the point. And it is that you have no criteria to discern information, you just repeat what is fashionable. Even your language is an imitation from sitcom. Being you an example of your nation certainly it would be a terrible leader : )
@Balakeh I do not take it as an insult. It is not my first language and you have the right to point my comment is not intelligible. I am not that easily offended as everybody seems to be. Criteria is not the word, I should have said judgement. You need judgement to separate what is just an ideological narrative from objective truth. Believing what corporate media, internet giants as Fb, Google et.al., or political groups tell the public to believe is not healthy. "Being you(rself) an example of your nation," if you say Americans are dumb the it implies you are not American, and it implies that you feel more intelligent than them. I am sorry to say it, but if you're a representative of the average of your nation then no. I am glad it is not the main power, not saying you are from there but for example the European Union legally can fund a terrorist organization in my country (one that killed poor while saying they were fighting for the poor), because they have no judgement to differentiate their left leaning doctrine from the truth.
Well its possible but we will never know, if Martin produce modern replicas of this model, its likely sales could have increased, I don't know how rare the original was, but id expect there are a few out there
Ridiculous that they would use the original anyway. There will be plenty of cheap options out there that looks just as period appropriate. If they couldn't find one, they could have commissioned a cheap luthier without much trouble.
Really pretty sad - no need to use a valuable instrument for a scene like this... but the video would have been way better if they showed everyone's reaction when they realized what happened ...
in my opinion i think they should have used a prop from the very beginning. no one would have been able to tell the difference and handling something that expensive is a recipe for disaster
Exactly! I would've used the real guitar for overdubs in post-production and that's it. I wouldn't have brought it on a movie set. As you said, nobody would've been able to tell the difference anyway. So I'm guessing it was for the sound of the guitar more than anything else. So, simply overdubbing the actress's playing would've been simpler and would have saved that guitar.
There's a little more to it. Kurt didn't destroy it on purpose. No one communicated to him that they were to cut after the song and switch to any of the 6 replicas they made for him to destroy. Communication is important on a set. The museum later stated justifiably so that they will never loan any of their guitars to a movie production ever again.
To be honest, there are more people that know of this guitar and its story than there would be if this didn't happen. In a way this mistake immortalized the guitar
This accident wasn't Kurt's fault. If anything, it was the fault of the director and technicians for not stopping the scene nor switching out the guitar. There's easily a 5 second interval in which they could have yelled for Kurt to stop and then have reshot the scene.
The monetary value is debatable, regrettable, and unfortunate, but such a rare piece of guitar history being smashed is sickening. It makes no sense that Martin would loan it out, or for the movie folks to borrow it. Why not use a period correct replica? Lots of modern guitar builders make replicas from the old days...Smh at the whole deal. Horrible.
I agree with you, but it's also good that we have captured footage of the guitar being destroyed, so at least this piece of art (guitar) can be used in another piece of art (film)
Everyone on set thought it was one of the props at the moment, but Jennifer knew it wasn't because she had been taking it home a playing it, she knew it was a priceless museum piece. Kurt felt so bad he nearly teared up, and Tarantino got Jennifer a similar one from the 1880s as a gift after filming because she loved that guitar so much. But yep, that's what $40,000 of Martin guitar looks like smashed off a post.
That was the original plan. To replace the guitar for another shot of Kurt smashing it. But he forgot about that and Smashed the expensive one instead. Human error. Not intentional.
It was an odd choice, like if they had gone with a fake from the start would any of us have noticed?! Would there have been hundreds of viewers getting up and running for the exits unable to tolerate the use of a fake ye olde timey guitar?!
Here’s 1 positive note. At least it’s last moments was immortalized in a Quentin Tarantino film. Imagine if they didn’t use that scene at all. 145yr old Martin Guitar was smashed on camera and Quentin scrapped the scene. That would be even worse. That guitar went out in a blaze of glory… at the hand of Kurt Russell.
I kind of blame the museum. Why would you lend an irreplaceable guitar to a film when nobody who watched the film would notice? I wouldn't lend anybody any my vinyl collection because most aren't available and most of those that are available would well over £100 for just a 12" single.
This whole situation has me shook. 1. Omg wtf?! 2. Why would the museum lend out such a priceless guitar? 3. If there were 6 replicas made, why was the real one needed? 4. Who tf only insures a $400K guitar for $45K?
4th question. It depends when the guitar was insured and purchased. Maybe the museum bought it 50 years ago when it was apraised at that time at $45,000. Maybe the meseum didn't want to pay higher premiums and never reevaluated it.
This brings tears to my eyes every time I see it. I've accidentally destroyed one of my classical guitars a few years back and it was worth less than $500 and I still freaked out.
As the owner of two vintage Martins, I weep for this tragedy, but if it was my guitar I never would have loaned it out without adequate insurance. I hope the studio made good on it.
This wasn't Kurt's fault. He didn't know and almost cried when he found out Jennifer Jason Leigh said. Also in the movie if Daisy didn't sing that line and piss off John, he would not have re-handcuffed before the poison took over. She may sealed her own death by mocking him.
It was a rare example of a guitar built by a man whose innovative design changed the way acoustic guitars were made for ever. That is, it's an early example of a "flat top' guitar. Until then, all guitars were 'arch top'. The implementation of Martin's bracing system allowed him to use a flat top which produced a guitar with more volume and a richer tone and it became the standard of the acoustic guitar we know today.
A couple corrections. The guitar was worth $50,000...not $400,000. That is all after-the-fact hype to get people talking about the movie. Also in Hollywood, $50,000 is chicken feed for advertising and they probably got their money's worth for all the hype this "accident" created for the movie. It's also been said that they left the scene in the movie because of JJL's reaction being so "real" but it really doesn't work for the context of the film. She turns to the crew with her shock instead of Kurt and it's way out of proportion.She needs to be seething at him for taking away the guitar and not upset that a valuable heirloom was destroyed.
Joe Simon I agree that she should not have broken character. I also agree with your assessment. I’ll add though that fit me the scene still worked. To me she’s looking at a random other person in the room as if to say “Look! See what mean! He’s crazy!” to manipulate someone into helping her later. Now if I went back the actor placements at the time may not make sense, I can’t remember but, yea...
@@themusicbook8679 Her looking off and the way she says "Whoa... whoa..." Just looks to me like an actress telling the director to "cut!" It's pretty blatant. I'm surprised Tarrantino used the take.
weird to use the actual guitar for anything other than a model for other guitars. Also weird to be filming with the REAL guitar the very scene where it was meant to be destroyed.
I think like King_Feanor stated, why put the original guitar in the picture at all? 6 replicas were made, just use them. Who would ever know or care?? It's like using live rounds instead of blanks in a gunfight scene!
As a PA, I’ll say this was definitely on the AD’s head. Russel was never informed of the switch despite there being 6 replicas on hand. The 1st and Director should have either called the cut when he grabbed the guitar or simply let her play the replica for this scene and if it was a problem of matching the look, deal with it in post.
Never lend anything you aren't willing to part with, forever. Was there no briefing before this scene? Did a para-military escort NOT follow around this guitar? Someone in hollywood reach out to me, I'm reasonably priced
As a professional violinist and guitarist, I can say this. This is like a film of a Stradivarius being destroyed. Or a Guarneri violin - which was the maker who lived across the street from Stradivarius. Anyway, this is truly unforgivable. They have a Stradivarius in the Library of Congress. You can play it with an appointment. That is where this guitar should be - not in pieces on the floor. Martin makes some of the greatest acoustic guitars that have EVER been made. This is a truly sad, sad thing that happened. I'm just thankful that the good people at Martin still make quality instruments.
HH3Productions to their credit... the Martin museum took it back and it is now on display in pieces. It was an honest mistake by Russell the crew never told him about the replicas
that's my thought. like, they really shouldn't have trusted it to the movie crew and cast to keep track of and be careful with it, especially a Tarentino film.
Tarantino is a “attention to detail” director. He probably felt everything had to be as authentic as possible. Most of the things in that “haberdashery” were likely authentic antiques.
@@willhall796 Baldwin was also the producer and 7 camera crew members walked off set the morning of the shooting in part due to safety violations. That's involuntary manslaughter. Just ask Conrad Murray.
this could be a dumb question, but did people say "Whoa" in the 1860s/70s -- like in a way to express shock/surpise? (not involving horse commands) I always thought Jennifer's reaction was really out of place and... modern sounding? This would explain why
That is exactly the explanation. Her reaction was completely out of character, given that the character has been hit and thrown stuff in his face several times before she shouldn't really be upset, this was very clearly the actors personal reaction.
Since another poster wrote that Tarantino deliberately did not tell Russell about the guitar, it's likely that he deliberately let it be destroyed in order to get this reaction from Leigh. Directors always think they're clever doing things like that.
If that were true, he could have given a good fake to JJL and told her it was real, WITHOUT destroying the real one (which NEVER should have been given to Tarantino).
Jennifer had fallen in love with that guitar, and was deeply upset over its destruction. She had initially wanted to buy it, but that was before she found out what it was worth. The director had offered to buy her another old guitar because she was so upset. I don't think she took him up on it. I have wondered if she had decided to stick with playing guitar since then...
God that’s horrible. I know that feeling of falling in love with an instrument. It’s like finding your soulmate. Poor Jennifer. I hope she got over it as much as she could. 😔
It makes no sense whatsoever in any conceivable case to have an irreplaceable historic museum piece on a movie set where nobody watching the movie could ever tell whether it was authentic or a replica. I mean wtf! That was beyond stupid in Martin’s case and they are the only ones to blame for allowing this to begin with.
Why is everyone down here either 1. Insanely toxic 2. Insanely stupid/childish its a movie set clip, this comment section looks just like something straight from a roblox video...
Wow, I didn't know the story, her reaction makes so much more sense, knowing this.I would say I can't imagine the phone call to the museum, but knowing movie people, I doubt it was anything more than, "Yeah, one of the actors smashed it, but don't worry, we have insurance..."
that was kinda dumb to use a priceless guitar for a scene in which NOBODY would've known it's value.. you couldn't have used a $50 guitar from walmart?
They borrowed the guitar to make duplicates from it. As the video said, they made 6 guitars based on it. The original guitar was never intended to actually be on camera, they were just using it as a model so they could make their props as accurate as possible to a guitar from the time period. If they just bought a cheap modern $50 guitar from a pawn shop it would have stood out like a sore thumb in the scene and distracted from the realism
@@ethann9433 realism? lol bro, NOBODY would have known.. I promise you. The only way to know for sure is up close touch, feel, and sound. The scene was also alot darker than this video. If they made duplicates from it, why did they even have this on set and acting with it? The ONLY thing i can think of is Quentin wanted the audio to pick up every detail of the sound the guitar made.. But still again, nobody can spot it out that far from the camera..
My thing is why on Earth would they need to use the real thing anyway?!?!! That is so damn stupid!! You could have used a replica! The whole point of the scene is to show him destroying the guitar, not to showcase the guitar itself and its accuracy to a guitar from that time period. If this movie was about the guitars or she was a singer or it has something to do with music maybe I could understand using an actual guitar from that time period, but if it's not about music and this movie clearly is not, then why on Earth does it matter what kind of guitar you have!? Pretentiousness for the sake of pretentiousness just cost the world a great piece of music history.
something fishy about this whole story. In the scene she is playing the guitar and then he breaks it - there is no cut. So obviously she knew he would break the guitar she was playing. Also, if there are replicas it means they didn't need the real thing. In the movie Equilibrium Christian Bale burns the Mona Lisa - there was no chance he would burn the real Mona Lisa because the Louvre doesn't lend out the Mona Lisa, just like the Martin Museum would not need to lend out a priceless guitar when replicas are just as convincing in a movie setting.
All true except that the girl might not have known if they were going to yell cut or if, in fact she was even holding the real one since apparently there WAS a replica in the movie to be smashed! Fault lies 100% in the museum. Their loss. Like you said, a replica could have been used for ALL the scenes. The world is full of stupid people.
The first time I watched this clip, I felt a little pissed off and sad that the real instrument was smashed. But when you watch the second third fourth time it just gets funnier and funnier. I would give anything to see Kurt Russell‘s facial expression after they cut and someone said “THATS THE REAL GUITAR!” Bwaahahahha
Yeah at first your like man fuck Kurt but put yourself in his shoes you were asked to smash a guitar the real one should not have even been on set only used to model the replicas really but Jennifer felt more comfortable on that one apparently Im sure he felt fucking terrible after that
The museum was never told that the guitar was to be destroyed in the movie. My question is why didnt someone yell CUT. Directors like to get real reaction, so Im curious if Kurt wasnt informed on purpose.
Tristian Sebastian I just read an article interviewing the actress and she said that “you don’t cut a scene on Tarantino before he says ‘cut’”. A guitar was supposed to be destroyed, just not this one.
Guitar: _survives over a hundred years_
Kurt Russel: *MUSIC TIMES OVER*
Lmaaaao
To any aspiring filmmakers, if you ever reach the point where you can borrow a $400,000 antique guitar for your movie, don’t. 99.99999% of people are never going to know or care that you used a replica.
Maybe, but a story like this will definitely get some publicity.
It doesn't even make sense to have a century aged guitar if the company was only around for 40 years..
@@Bran_Flakesx7 what are you talking about
@@walterthegoat9070 Martin guitars hasn't been around long enough to have a guitar that old by the year the movie takes place in
@@Bran_Flakesx7 that....s interesting perspective never thought of it that way but yer right
At least she gets to say that she's the last person to ever play that guitar
and got a great performance on film
With video evidence for proof too lmao
I don’t know about that, Kurt played it up against that beam pretty well.
Plot twist: It was one of the fakes, and now the original sits quietly in Tarantinos sex dungeon.
about 99 ninjas goddamn you are stupid
His foot dungeon
If anyone in Hollywood had a sex dungeon, it is Quentin Tarantino.
"Kurt Russell forgot to switch..." uhhh no. It's not his job to manage props
I'm like 80% sure Tarantino did this on purpose.
The question is: why do you lend out a guitar of that value for a movie during which the audience will never be able to tell whether it’s a fake or real one? This is stupid.
Maybe the museum wanted to include a tag on the guitar, when they returned it, about being used on a movie. That will explain too the low insurance over a piece so expensive. They probably wanted just to add valor to the piece.
*VERY* stupid.
you never know man, people have a keen eye for detail. you might not and i don't when it comes to guitars but some people do. and for them they might appreciate that small detail.
ricky gonzaga Meh. It takes more than an eye. Plus, when it comes to Tarantino, make no mistake his stuff is never historically accurate or keen on such details.
They loaned it out for replicas to be made which did happen but they forgot to swap the real one for the fake
This is one of those moments when you just wonder why any of this was ever a thing to begin with. For a movie scene, just pay someone to make a replica of the guitar, who is going to be looking so hard at a movie scene to notice or care if a prop made to be broken is the real thing?
There was zero reason to have the real thing to begin with. It's a fucking movie.
I concur.
A very good movie. Made more money than that worthless instrument
Piano is king
Not to mention one of the worst movies of all time
@@roddor7254 To you maybe.. You know nothing about this film.
@@roddor7254 I'm curious as to why you think this movie is very bad. Will you please share with the class?
Moral: don't loan things to anyone. A Museum should have know that rule already.
TruthSurge Especially to Quentin Tarantino!!!
The best part is Jennifer Jason Leigh's reaction is 100% genuine & she looks around like "omg what the fuck" lol
What I don't understand is, if production had multiple replica guitars, why THE HELL would you request a real Martin Guitar to be on set?
Most viewers wouldn't be able to tell the difference in guitars; this risk was very unnecessary.
Yeah you're right
YOu know how Quinton T gets. "Gotta be able to brag that they had a real 1800s guitar on set"
I agree, and what I dont get is if she knew the guitar was to be smashed in that scene and acted surprised after he smashed it, why did she allow herself to play it?
I think it must be for the music tone. It could be Tarantino wanted to 1800s guitar's music tone for make more realistic movie.
@@thedude4728 From what ive read elsewhere, that was the idea and apparently the director was supposed to have cut the scene after playing, then switched guitars before smashing the replica guitar. Its hard to think it was not deliberate.
Don’t blame Kurt for this. He had no idea. He wasn’t informed about the plan.
Exactly. This is on the prop master.
Guy’s a guitar murderer. He will kill again.
Wow, this just makes the movie even better. Don't get me wrong, what happened to the guitar is tragic, but knowing that reaction was real makes the scene so much sweeter.
But Jennifer's character would not of cared, so her reaction you see is out of character for the film.
+Onmysheet I mean she could be freaking out because she realized that Kurt threw away the coffee of poison or that since Kurt was mad, he was probably going to handcuff her again.
I don’t get the point in having the authentic guitar in the first place, nobody would have cared if the just used a replica
I thought the same thing
An guitar that's been "alive" for over a hundred years doesn't even make the scene any more authentic. The most authentic thing would've actually been a replica that was made forty years prior, because that's as old as the real guitar could've been in setting of the movie.
We sometimes forget that millions of money makes any man a power hungry tyrant. Tarantino knew it was the real guitar, that wierd feet obsessed ignorant cunt. But you think he cares? Absolutely not and you know why because without limitations all humans will grow sour and apathetic.
@@doomerantiboomer206 damn you are a sad loser
@@keyboardwarrior8905 if you're not the top 1% percent of wealthy aren't we all born sad losers
*“The Martin guitar museum will no longer loan instruments to movie projects”*
LMAO IM DEAD
Did they really need to bring an authentic 1870 guitar to the set. I don’t think a single person would have noticed if they used a replica
The only reason this many people knew anyway is because the guitar got smashed
Tarantino had and still has to be perfecionist
You can see that she broke character when he smashed it. It was just too real.
If they had followed proper guitar safety, this sorta thing never would have happened. Never jam out on a guitar you don't intend Kurt Russell to smash
when I saw the movie I thought her reaction was over the top and out of character. I stand corrected.
Not sure why a real guitar was even used in the first place. Who can tell a real from a fake in the blink of an eye with blurred focus anyway?
It's the sound apparently, they wanted it to sound authentic and then they planned to swap it out with a fake but Kurt didn't know they hadn't swapped it out and there you go
why use such a rare guitar in the first place? like the audience would've known/cared if it was an antique or not.
MrGoodkat not when the audience won’t know the difference. pointless.
FrogLungs I am a little bit of a guitar nerd , and i wouldn't have known any better.
that is a part of the art of the movies to be honest, small behind the scene things...
Huh? Movies have to be entertaining for keen observers too.
Idk why, but the ending about them tryna put it back together, then not loaning antiques anymore, mixed with the music, it just cracked me up LMAO
Why use a rare guitar? When any old guitar would've been just the same? Both parties were stupid, the filmmaker and the museum
Pretty much just to get a reaction from the actors. There's no way he didn't know how serious it was, he just thought the reaction from the actors would be worth destroying the guitar. He's a scumbag, Tarantino that is.
@@ihaveachihuahau incorrect, tarentino used a real martin for the song because of autism but they were supposed to cut when kurt grabbed the guitar and swap it for a replica to be smashed.
Anyone with any knowledge about musical instruments would immediately be able to tell if they were using a guitar that didn't fit the time period. Look up a picture of an 1850's guitar and a 2010's acoustic guitar and they don't look even remotely similar other than the basic shape
well the Museum wanted to get their name out there or something.. they def did that
@@ethann9433 It's a parlor guitar, they still make them and they look the same. Maybe you should brush up on your knowledge.
Why would they give anyone an irreplaceable guitar for a movie scene!? They could simply have bought a top of the line Martin guitar and had it aged for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the price. This is pure stupidity.
@FallingDownClown Let's be honest, Quentin's films don't need any publicity stunts like this. He just releases them and people watch them cause he's Quentin fucking Tarantino.
I'm thinking this was a genuine accident.
Borrowing it in the first place was pointless.
I like authenticity as much as the next guy but I don't see the point of lending such a valuable object, for free, all so it can be in a scene where maybe 10 people on the planet would recognize an otherwise unremarkable guitar.
I’ve never seen a movie with a guitar in it and think wow that guitar is over a hundred years old. It all just felt like an unnecessary waste
Its just a guitar, in my opinion this accident makes it 10x more interesting if i saw it in person.
I almost blame Martin for lending this piece of history. The scene did not justify having this guitar. Should have never left the museum. I almost feel like it is marketing stunt for the movie and Martin because it will forever be talked about.
@Balakeh hehe not so much if they are the most powerful country in history.
@Balakeh well. If you are gullible to eat what corporations feed you instead of seeing reality then I understand why you are quick to repeat mindlessly feelings and not data.
@Balakeh you are avoiding the point. And it is that you have no criteria to discern information, you just repeat what is fashionable. Even your language is an imitation from sitcom. Being you an example of your nation certainly it would be a terrible leader : )
@Balakeh I do not take it as an insult. It is not my first language and you have the right to point my comment is not intelligible. I am not that easily offended as everybody seems to be.
Criteria is not the word, I should have said judgement. You need judgement to separate what is just an ideological narrative from objective truth. Believing what corporate media, internet giants as Fb, Google et.al., or political groups tell the public to believe is not healthy.
"Being you(rself) an example of your nation," if you say Americans are dumb the it implies you are not American, and it implies that you feel more intelligent than them. I am sorry to say it, but if you're a representative of the average of your nation then no. I am glad it is not the main power, not saying you are from there but for example the European Union legally can fund a terrorist organization in my country (one that killed poor while saying they were fighting for the poor), because they have no judgement to differentiate their left leaning doctrine from the truth.
Well its possible but we will never know, if Martin produce modern replicas of this model, its likely sales could have increased, I don't know how rare the original was, but id expect there are a few out there
I always thought there was something wrong with that scene and how she reacted.
Imagine you wanted to be the oldest Martin guitar but Kurt said: MUSIC TIMES OVER.
Ridiculous that they would use the original anyway. There will be plenty of cheap options out there that looks just as period appropriate. If they couldn't find one, they could have commissioned a cheap luthier without much trouble.
"The Martin Guitar Museum will no longer loan instruments to projects starring Kurt Russell."
Why would the priceless guitar ever be anywhere near that set if copies existed
That’s my exact question
Faked I believe, or a sacrifice if they destroyed the real deal for tons of publicity.
Really pretty sad - no need to use a valuable instrument for a scene like this... but the video would have been way better if they showed everyone's reaction when they realized what happened ...
in my opinion i think they should have used a prop from the very beginning. no one would have been able to tell the difference and handling something that expensive is a recipe for disaster
Exactly! I would've used the real guitar for overdubs in post-production and that's it. I wouldn't have brought it on a movie set. As you said, nobody would've been able to tell the difference anyway. So I'm guessing it was for the sound of the guitar more than anything else. So, simply overdubbing the actress's playing would've been simpler and would have saved that guitar.
Nozomi Tojo I agree with you 100% ! That being said, I think that the museum made the mistake by lending it out !
There's a little more to it. Kurt didn't destroy it on purpose. No one communicated to him that they were to cut after the song and switch to any of the 6 replicas they made for him to destroy. Communication is important on a set. The museum later stated justifiably so that they will never loan any of their guitars to a movie production ever again.
Why even use the real one. Why risk it? The audience won't know the difference nor will they likely hear the difference.
Tarantino should make a HUGE donation to the museum... for that matter so should Russell!
Ehh wrong, maybe museums shouldn’t allow their selections to be used as props
Man, Kurt didn't know that it was the original guitar when he destroyed it. It was an mistake, a horrible mistake
It wasn't Kurt's fault, it was Tarantino's. He was supposed to tell him and forgot.
To be honest, there are more people that know of this guitar and its story than there would be if this didn't happen. In a way this mistake immortalized the guitar
Dexter Belle that is very true
Nah.
🙄
Exactly. What a way to go.
Immortalised in a Tarantino movie.
Better than being preserved in a boring locked case somewhere.
This accident wasn't Kurt's fault. If anything, it was the fault of the director and technicians for not stopping the scene nor switching out the guitar. There's easily a 5 second interval in which they could have yelled for Kurt to stop and then have reshot the scene.
The monetary value is debatable, regrettable, and unfortunate, but such a rare piece of guitar history being smashed is sickening. It makes no sense that Martin would loan it out, or for the movie folks to borrow it. Why not use a period correct replica? Lots of modern guitar builders make replicas from the old days...Smh at the whole deal. Horrible.
I agree with you, but it's also good that we have captured footage of the guitar being destroyed, so at least this piece of art (guitar) can be used in another piece of art (film)
yes the monetary value is debatable.. but still worth a whole lot.. MANY MANY MANY collectors woulda paid top dollar for that.. yes smh.. what a shame
The replica would have looked better than the real one. It's not like they used 150 year old guitars back then. It wouldnt look aged like that.
Exactly. It would look more authentic to use a guitar that looked new.
Everyone on set thought it was one of the props at the moment, but Jennifer knew it wasn't because she had been taking it home a playing it, she knew it was a priceless museum piece. Kurt felt so bad he nearly teared up, and Tarantino got Jennifer a similar one from the 1880s as a gift after filming because she loved that guitar so much. But yep, that's what $40,000 of Martin guitar looks like smashed off a post.
well, you are ALL kinds of wrong and stupid. So...
Man didnt forget. They did not tell him.
Wait, Kurt Russel “forgot”? I thought the crew were the ones who forgot to tell him/cut the scene before switching.
They should put it on display. People would come to see the guitar destroyed by Kurt Russell.
Lol
They would. I'd like to see it myself.
¿Was it really necessary to use the real original Martin guitar instead of fake stunt guitars..? it was a risk..
That was the original plan. To replace the guitar for another shot of Kurt smashing it. But he forgot about that and Smashed the expensive one instead. Human error. Not intentional.
It was an odd choice, like if they had gone with a fake from the start would any of us have noticed?! Would there have been hundreds of viewers getting up and running for the exits unable to tolerate the use of a fake ye olde timey guitar?!
@@juanelevin1114 Tarantino's gotta Tarantino.
Why not use a replica for the entire shot! My God this was painfull to watch.
It sucks but I didn't feel anything.
it add authenticity to the movie. QT always goes the extra mile
@@johnnymaximum3828 like when they shot and killed that guy in pulp fiction that was actually real brain and skull
Replica was too perfect
Here’s 1 positive note. At least it’s last moments was immortalized in a Quentin Tarantino film. Imagine if they didn’t use that scene at all. 145yr old Martin Guitar was smashed on camera and Quentin scrapped the scene. That would be even worse. That guitar went out in a blaze of glory… at the hand of Kurt Russell.
I still don’t like it
@@gunnar1797 Yes its a fucked situation but atleast we all know what fucked it. And his name is Kurt Russell
@@TheFilmKrewe I actually just watched the movie and it was great lol
yeah, that guitar should be honored.
stupid idea to lend it out for anything. No one could tell the difference on a fake anyways
Why not just use the fake guitars the entire time?
ikr lol
So she actually broke character right there.
It looks like she's looking over at Tarantino like "WTF was that supposed to happen???"
@@andrewtorr6968 Why would a hard ass prisoner care about a smashed guitar, just a classic QT move.
Why in the hell did they even use this guitar at all, no one could tell if it was just a replica
Exactly !!!
Because of murican exceptionalism. It's like cancer.
Kurt Russell didn't "forget", he thought they already using one of the stunt guitars
I kind of blame the museum.
Why would you lend an irreplaceable guitar to a film when nobody who watched the film would notice?
I wouldn't lend anybody any my vinyl collection because most aren't available and most of those that are available would well over £100 for just a 12" single.
KR didn't "forget to" do anything. He didn't know. No one on set thought it was a big deal to tell him hiw rare it was.
This whole situation has me shook.
1. Omg wtf?!
2. Why would the museum lend out such a priceless guitar?
3. If there were 6 replicas made, why was the real one needed?
4. Who tf only insures a $400K guitar for $45K?
ALL EXCELLENT QUESTIONS!!!
Question 3 is the one that's got me stumped.
4th question. It depends when the guitar was insured and purchased. Maybe the museum bought it 50 years ago when it was apraised at that time at $45,000. Maybe the meseum didn't want to pay higher premiums and never reevaluated it.
This brings tears to my eyes every time I see it. I've accidentally destroyed one of my classical guitars a few years back and it was worth less than $500 and I still freaked out.
As the owner of two vintage Martins, I weep for this tragedy, but if it was my guitar I never would have loaned it out without adequate insurance. I hope the studio made good on it.
they had insurance. So they got reimbursed. But it's more about the destruction of musical history than the money
According to the video the insurance was only about 10% of its value.
How could you not rehearse the switch multiple times?
Its so funny when he says music time is over after knowing this
6 fake guitars were not used
That's when they fucked up
This wasn't Kurt's fault. He didn't know and almost cried when he found out Jennifer Jason Leigh said. Also in the movie if Daisy didn't sing that line and piss off John, he would not have re-handcuffed before the poison took over. She may sealed her own death by mocking him.
It was a rare example of a guitar built by a man whose innovative design changed the way acoustic guitars were made for ever. That is, it's an early example of a "flat top' guitar. Until then, all guitars were 'arch top'. The implementation of Martin's bracing system allowed him to use a flat top which produced a guitar with more volume and a richer tone and it became the standard of the acoustic guitar we know today.
" Until then, all guitars were 'arch top'. Wow, that's sooooo interesting. ;)
I remember watching that movie and thinking , that was a very nice replica, I can't believe they smashed it.
I'll bet they had to draw straws on who got to notify Martin.
ha haaaa
A couple corrections. The guitar was worth $50,000...not $400,000. That is all after-the-fact hype to get people talking about the movie. Also in Hollywood, $50,000 is chicken feed for advertising and they probably got their money's worth for all the hype this "accident" created for the movie. It's also been said that they left the scene in the movie because of JJL's reaction being so "real" but it really doesn't work for the context of the film. She turns to the crew with her shock instead of Kurt and it's way out of proportion.She needs to be seething at him for taking away the guitar and not upset that a valuable heirloom was destroyed.
Joe Simon I agree that she should not have broken character. I also agree with your assessment. I’ll add though that fit me the scene still worked. To me she’s looking at a random other person in the room as if to say “Look! See what mean! He’s crazy!” to manipulate someone into helping her later. Now if I went back the actor placements at the time may not make sense, I can’t remember but, yea...
@@themusicbook8679 Her looking off and the way she says "Whoa... whoa..." Just looks to me like an actress telling the director to "cut!"
It's pretty blatant. I'm surprised Tarrantino used the take.
Yeah that's not true a freakin Martin like a 1934 D28 goes for that much
@@garylindsey5174 it's not a 1934 Martin D28 though
Yeah I know what a D28 looks like. I own one.
weird to use the actual guitar for anything other than a model for other guitars. Also weird to be filming with the REAL guitar the very scene where it was meant to be destroyed.
Quentin be quenting I guess...
I think like King_Feanor stated, why put the original guitar in the picture at all? 6 replicas were made, just use them. Who would ever know or care?? It's like using live rounds instead of blanks in a gunfight scene!
such a shame. where were the assistants on the set making sure of the switch
As a PA, I’ll say this was definitely on the AD’s head. Russel was never informed of the switch despite there being 6 replicas on hand. The 1st and Director should have either called the cut when he grabbed the guitar or simply let her play the replica for this scene and if it was a problem of matching the look, deal with it in post.
Never lend anything you aren't willing to part with, forever.
Was there no briefing before this scene? Did a para-military escort NOT follow around this guitar?
Someone in hollywood reach out to me, I'm reasonably priced
I feel like it wasn't the actors jobs to keep track of that
As a professional violinist and guitarist, I can say this. This is like a film of a Stradivarius being destroyed. Or a Guarneri violin - which was the maker who lived across the street from Stradivarius. Anyway, this is truly unforgivable. They have a Stradivarius in the Library of Congress. You can play it with an appointment. That is where this guitar should be - not in pieces on the floor. Martin makes some of the greatest acoustic guitars that have EVER been made. This is a truly sad, sad thing that happened. I'm just thankful that the good people at Martin still make quality instruments.
HH3Productions to their credit... the Martin museum took it back and it is now on display in pieces. It was an honest mistake by Russell the crew never told him about the replicas
Oh then you have to see this: ua-cam.com/video/NOag03ZbAb8/v-deo.html
would anybody have noticed if they would have used a random guitar from the start? why did they even need the original?
that's my thought. like, they really shouldn't have trusted it to the movie crew and cast to keep track of and be careful with it, especially a Tarentino film.
Tarantino is a “attention to detail” director. He probably felt everything had to be as authentic as possible. Most of the things in that “haberdashery” were likely authentic antiques.
I wonder if Kurt had to write a letter of apology to Martin for this.
Well he almost cried when he knew what he did
It was a good death for the guitar at least
alec baldwin just killed someone so this doesn't seem so bad now
Dayum that’s crazy I just read about that
Yea not near as much of a fuck up
Another accident that wasn’t the actors fault, fucking prop guys can’t do their job
@@willhall796 Baldwin was also the producer and 7 camera crew members walked off set the morning of the shooting in part due to safety violations.
That's involuntary manslaughter.
Just ask Conrad Murray.
@@willhall796 Totally Baldwin's fault.. ALWAYS check a weapon yourself before even pointing it anything you aren't willing to destroy.
Pretty dumb to loan out an incredibly rare, irreplaceable guitar.
this could be a dumb question, but did people say "Whoa" in the 1860s/70s -- like in a way to express shock/surpise? (not involving horse commands)
I always thought Jennifer's reaction was really out of place and... modern sounding? This would explain why
That is exactly the explanation. Her reaction was completely out of character, given that the character has been hit and thrown stuff in his face several times before she shouldn't really be upset, this was very clearly the actors personal reaction.
Because she knew..
Since another poster wrote that Tarantino deliberately did not tell Russell about the guitar, it's likely that he deliberately let it be destroyed in order to get this reaction from Leigh. Directors always think they're clever doing things like that.
If that were true, he could have given a good fake to JJL and told her it was real, WITHOUT destroying the real one (which NEVER should have been given to Tarantino).
Yea I doubt they let Tarantino near any other priceless relics for a minute
Jennifer had fallen in love with that guitar, and was deeply upset over its destruction. She had initially wanted to buy it, but that was before she found out what it was worth. The director had offered to buy her another old guitar because she was so upset. I don't think she took him up on it. I have wondered if she had decided to stick with playing guitar since then...
God that’s horrible. I know that feeling of falling in love with an instrument. It’s like finding your soulmate. Poor Jennifer. I hope she got over it as much as she could. 😔
@@jennymk01 Just ask Captain Kirk Douglas what he thinks of Prince.
Just a question. What was the significance of using “the expensive guitar”?
The sound
Authenticity i suppose.
Realism
Migel Vazkez of course the guitar was real but I think they did it for fame idk
Gave me a "Woody"
It makes no sense whatsoever in any conceivable case to have an irreplaceable historic museum piece on a movie set where nobody watching the movie could ever tell whether it was authentic or a replica. I mean wtf! That was beyond stupid in Martin’s case and they are the only ones to blame for allowing this to begin with.
Jennifer Jason Leigh's reaction was not acting. She knew it was the real deal when he smashed it.
Why didn't Tarantino not yell Cut! after the last verse of the song? Surely he could've prevented this...if he wanted to.
Good thing she didn't say "Kurt!" cause they couldn't not use that take
Why is everyone down here either
1. Insanely toxic
2. Insanely stupid/childish
its a movie set clip, this comment section looks just like something straight from a roblox video...
Hi hello, welcome to the internet
@@stephenearly3972 El Berro
Clearly can build replicas of the guitar and instead used a real one.
It ain't toxic, stupid or childish. It's just common sense.
@@calebgriffy4585 No, it's called "realism", which certain filmmakers still practice.
@@theexpresidents Realism?... Pfft! Sure.
My guitar is gently weeping watching that!
Why were they even using that guitar in the first place tho
bc tarantino has a ridiculous ego.
Should have just sent it to Mike from Monsters Inc.
Deep reference
ESOTERIC
they just doubled the production costs!
Wow, I didn't know the story, her reaction makes so much more sense, knowing this.I would say I can't imagine the phone call to the museum, but knowing movie people, I doubt it was anything more than, "Yeah, one of the actors smashed it, but don't worry, we have insurance..."
that was kinda dumb to use a priceless guitar for a scene in which NOBODY would've known it's value.. you couldn't have used a $50 guitar from walmart?
JiZz2Xtreme all about that PR
They borrowed the guitar to make duplicates from it. As the video said, they made 6 guitars based on it. The original guitar was never intended to actually be on camera, they were just using it as a model so they could make their props as accurate as possible to a guitar from the time period. If they just bought a cheap modern $50 guitar from a pawn shop it would have stood out like a sore thumb in the scene and distracted from the realism
Lmao
@@ethann9433 realism? lol bro, NOBODY would have known.. I promise you. The only way to know for sure is up close touch, feel, and sound. The scene was also alot darker than this video. If they made duplicates from it, why did they even have this on set and acting with it? The ONLY thing i can think of is Quentin wanted the audio to pick up every detail of the sound the guitar made.. But still again, nobody can spot it out that far from the camera..
My thing is why on Earth would they need to use the real thing anyway?!?!! That is so damn stupid!! You could have used a replica! The whole point of the scene is to show him destroying the guitar, not to showcase the guitar itself and its accuracy to a guitar from that time period. If this movie was about the guitars or she was a singer or it has something to do with music maybe I could understand using an actual guitar from that time period, but if it's not about music and this movie clearly is not, then why on Earth does it matter what kind of guitar you have!? Pretentiousness for the sake of pretentiousness just cost the world a great piece of music history.
Exactly
Music time is over.
something fishy about this whole story. In the scene she is playing the guitar and then he breaks it - there is no cut. So obviously she knew he would break the guitar she was playing. Also, if there are replicas it means they didn't need the real thing. In the movie Equilibrium Christian Bale burns the Mona Lisa - there was no chance he would burn the real Mona Lisa because the Louvre doesn't lend out the Mona Lisa, just like the Martin Museum would not need to lend out a priceless guitar when replicas are just as convincing in a movie setting.
William the only thing fishy was Jennifer's panties
All true except that the girl might not have known if they were going to yell cut or if, in fact she was even holding the real one since apparently there WAS a replica in the movie to be smashed! Fault lies 100% in the museum. Their loss. Like you said, a replica could have been used for ALL the scenes. The world is full of stupid people.
Yeah I think it's bullshit
I bet not the whole cast was communicated with about the guitar.
Communication is key, so just remember that.🤣💯
The first time I watched this clip, I felt a little pissed off and sad that the real instrument was smashed. But when you watch the second third fourth time it just gets funnier and funnier.
I would give anything to see Kurt Russell‘s facial expression after they cut and someone said “THATS THE REAL GUITAR!” Bwaahahahha
Yeah at first your like man fuck Kurt but put yourself in his shoes you were asked to smash a guitar the real one should not have even been on set only used to model the replicas really but Jennifer felt more comfortable on that one apparently
Im sure he felt fucking terrible after that
The museum was never told that the guitar was to be destroyed in the movie. My question is why didnt someone yell CUT. Directors like to get real reaction, so Im curious if Kurt wasnt informed on purpose.
Tristian Sebastian I just read an article interviewing the actress and she said that “you don’t cut a scene on Tarantino before he says ‘cut’”. A guitar was supposed to be destroyed, just not this one.
Kurt, don't you know to wait until the props guy shouts "Cold guitar"? 🤭
hahahahahahahahaaa
THAT is why her accent suddenly disappeared?! LOL!!!