As I had low oil pressure in my 6L LS engine in my truck, I took the whole engine out. Found that the middle camshaft bearing had spun out. I never took the heads off. But when I changed the camshaft and bearings i wondered how to get the lifters out. I was used to being able to do so when the intake was off on the old small block and big blocks. I had the engine upside down to change the camshaft and bearings back then :)
This is the sort of person that should be teaching apprentices, could watch ya do a complete rebuild and try it myself. I already did the water pump altenator and rocker gaskets. I need to do the rockers. Mate you think you could do guide videos please
+RamblinAround It's not difficult just time consuming...A failed lifter in these things is quite common...A great way to spend a Sunday morning..Thanks Jeff.
What a palaver! That's worse than the old DOHC Ferrari V12s. I thought they were troublesome, but there was no steering pump to deal with. lol Looking forward to seeing it go together again.
I pulled the lifters out of the LS1 in my VY Commodore eventually last weekend,while additives & engine flushes may have cleaned the varnish from the lifters & their bores,it didn't stop some "mushrooming" from happening to the lifters,the offending lifter that turned out to be ticking for most of the time was one of them on cylinder number 6. I think the exhaust one was hardest to get out on that cylinder & the hardest to remove of the whole lot of them. So,I'm replacing the whole set of lifters not before replacing the timing chain as it has a bit of slop in it,the pain in the ass is the oil pan gasket that I replaced 5 years ago needs to be replaced again as the oil pan needs to be removed to remove the oil pickup tube,the oil pump needs to be removed to replace the timing chain. I can't get access to the bolt which holds it onto the oil pump so it needs to be removed, while some people drop it down about an inch ,there's no guarantee that if the oil pan is bolted back up with the old oil pan gasket reused, it's going to leak & the mating surfaces where the rear seal carrier & timing cover meets need to be resealed with RTV sealant.
The factory lifters are pretty limited in their lifespan...The worst ones I've seen had worn the pin out that the roller runs on...Good luck with it Russell.
Yeah ! mine has done 337,512 kms but the car has lacked oil changes in the past I think. The now default LS7 lifters for the LS1-7 engines are a lot better,apparently !!!!
+1970chevelle396 I've seen them so flogged out that the needle rollers gave up and the car only had 100;000k's/60'000mls on it...Quite a common thing to happen...3 fragile spots on an LS..lifters,,piston skirts and rear crank seal plate warping to leak like a rear seal failure...Other wise they are a pretty stout engine.
On the cop cars they have Active Fuel Management Lifters. It drops it down to 4 cylinders if you drive it real easy. Those lifters go bad all the time. . Im not sure why they would ever put those kind of lifters in cop cars. They drive them real hard, so it will never drop down to 4 cylinders.
Great vid, nice to see an aussie one, few questions.How did you get the lifters out? Magnets? And did you use ls7 lifters as replacements? I'm thinking of having a go at this, just don't want to get it apart and find I cant get the lifters out.
+Aiden Powell Cheers mate...Once the lifter guides are removed you can pick the lifters out with some pliers...Easy...The lifters suit LS1/LS2 and ecotec V6...Good luck with it mate.
Excellent video mate you make it look simple. 1 quick question, im doing the lifters in my one this weekend and im nervous lol. 01 vx The gen3. Can i JUST replace the lifters ? Will it affects the wear pattern on the cam ? And can i use the old push rods with new lifters? I think thats 3. Cheers mate keep thr vids coming.
Hey mate. You certainly seem to know your stuff! I’m new to the game and have an old statesman with the LS1 in it that I’m using as a donor car/learning how to do power train stufff car. Engines got about 250,000 km on it. I got the whole car for a steal so I’m not really worried about it just want your experienced opinion on how long she has left to live and if there’s anything I can do to keep her going! In a year the power train will be used to mock-up and go into a 65 mustang coupe my dad had
If you lean on it that will shorten it's life..It could last for a fair bit longer if you look after it...Oil pumps,cams and lifters is their most fragile areas.
If you have a stock LS2 with a failed lifter and you want to switch over to the upgraded LS7 style lifters, do you have to change the pushrod length or can you adjust the Rocker Arms to compensate?
Sounds like I got noisy lifters myself so I think I’ll be doing this process soon is there anything I should replace while doing it like bolts gaskets anything? thanks bud love the videos
Thanks Ben...You'll need to buy a "VRS" kit...It contains all the gaskets you'll need and you need to change the head bolts because the y are one time use only although many people reuse the head bolts...The only problem is that if you have a head gasket failure they'll want to know if you used new bolts....Good luck with it mate.
@ZIGgassedUP Please HELP ME! Could the valve oil lifter causes knock? besides the sound i mean when i monitor my engine on the scanner it says knock present:yes if not why there is a knock in my ls1 ? i tried everything (replace a\f sensors, AirMass, Spark plugs, higher octane fuel, replaced the knock sensors them self) by knock i don't mean the sound of a knock, the computer says that knock is present! and the performance is affected. tomorrow i'm removing the heads to replace valve oil lifters and clean piston surface. please any idea what to do?
The knock sensors detect knock from detonation/pre ignition...Usually what happens is the pin in the roller lifter fails and it presents a bottom end rattle...I've not seen lifters set a "knock" situation to the PCM but I guess it's very possible but the failed lifter will have a definite rattle a bit like worn wrist pin and more so when it's cold...Good luck with it mate..
I saw that you've done a 6-8 swap...How many K's on the engine...The lifters usually fail around 100,000K's I've found...How were the plugs when you pulled them out.?...Is it lean.?...Vacuum leaks or poor fuel supply will lean it out...When you say "performance is affected" what do you mean.?...Hard or easy to start..stumble of misfire..or is it in " limp home" mode.?..I gues the check light is on..If the light isn't on then the problem is other than an electrical vomponant...I'll go look at the vids there may be something there.
Today i checked everything again, also cleaned the fuel injectors. hook up the scanner again when it's cold first start the scanner displays that knock is not present... after 3-4 minutes it says knock present, removed one spark plug and checked with a camera scoop the surface of the piston looked clean, the last thing i wanted to know is: if the valve lifters are ticking, does the knock sensor detect it as a knock? and thanks for your reply :)
i mean that performance is affected because when the pcm detect a knock via a knock sensor it will hold back the performance. there is definitely no misfire no lean/rich no leaks nothing!
If you have a stock LS2 with a failed lifter and you want to switch over to the upgraded LS7 style lifters, do you have to change the pushrod length or can you adjust the Rocker Arms to compensate?
I dont trust the new gasket the extra work at that stage is minimal the last head gasket I did was on a opal motor I couldnt clean it to where I thought this could last but these newer gaskets look easier to work with - thanks for the video - how did the gasket hold up - I just got a lx8 Im waiting for the new abs unit from pec so doing things like leads plugs etc - its got all the same holden issues leaking rear seal leaking power steering hoses roof liner so on so on @@ziggassedup
Nice one bud its refreshing to see one with out the yank bs chatter.
Very helpful insight into both the take down and the parts that wear.
Glad you enjoyed it..Cheers Mike.
As I had low oil pressure in my 6L LS engine in my truck, I took the whole engine out. Found that the middle camshaft bearing had spun out. I never took the heads off. But when I changed the camshaft and bearings i wondered how to get the lifters out. I was used to being able to do so when the intake was off on the old small block and big blocks. I had the engine upside down to change the camshaft and bearings back then :)
And this is called improvement over the old style where all you did was pull the intake and valve covers?
Glad I am just an old guy nowadays...
+The Shade Tree Fix-it Man I thought some of the old guys might like to see what I have to contend with.
This is the sort of person that should be teaching apprentices, could watch ya do a complete rebuild and try it myself. I already did the water pump altenator and rocker gaskets. I need to do the rockers. Mate you think you could do guide videos please
I'll be doing a cam and lifter change on another 5.7 shortly...Cheers.
Mate if you do 5.7ltr lifter and cam replacement please do a video and ill add you to the xmas card list. Take care mate
wow, now that's a big job. great work Mate, watching and learning my friend, cheers
+udizzy1969 Cheers Dizz but at the end of the day it's only nuts and bolts.
That's a big job for sure. Nice vid Zig.
+RamblinAround It's not difficult just time consuming...A failed lifter in these things is quite common...A great way to spend a Sunday morning..Thanks Jeff.
Wow a loot of work getting to the lifters
+huck01955 Yep...
They look soul less with the bonnet lol. Looks like this isn't your first rodeo. Good work Zig.
+strokedfirebirdable Cheers Dave....Yep...I've done this a time or two.
What a palaver! That's worse than the old DOHC Ferrari V12s. I thought they were troublesome, but there was no steering pump to deal with. lol Looking forward to seeing it go together again.
+Bruce Boschek Thanks Bruce.
I pulled the lifters out of the LS1 in my VY Commodore eventually last weekend,while additives & engine flushes may have cleaned the varnish from the lifters & their bores,it didn't stop some "mushrooming" from happening to the lifters,the offending lifter that turned out to be ticking for most of the time was one of them on cylinder number 6.
I think the exhaust one was hardest to get out on that cylinder & the hardest to remove of the whole lot of them.
So,I'm replacing the whole set of lifters not before replacing the timing chain as it has a bit of slop in it,the pain in the ass is the oil pan gasket that I replaced 5 years ago needs to be replaced again as the oil pan needs to be removed to remove the oil pickup tube,the oil pump needs to be removed to replace the timing chain.
I can't get access to the bolt which holds it onto the oil pump so it needs to be removed, while some people drop it down about an inch ,there's no guarantee that if the oil pan is bolted back up with the old oil pan gasket reused, it's going to leak & the mating surfaces where the rear seal carrier & timing cover meets need to be resealed with RTV sealant.
The factory lifters are pretty limited in their lifespan...The worst ones I've seen had worn the pin out that the roller runs on...Good luck with it Russell.
Yeah ! mine has done 337,512 kms but the car has lacked oil changes in the past I think.
The now default LS7 lifters for the LS1-7 engines are a lot better,apparently !!!!
Strangely enough the lifters are the same as the ever faithful 3.8 Ecotech.
I just replaced one of the lifters on an LS engine in a cop car. Its a lot of work.
+1970chevelle396 I've seen them so flogged out that the needle rollers gave up and the car only had 100;000k's/60'000mls on it...Quite a common thing to happen...3 fragile spots on an LS..lifters,,piston skirts and rear crank seal plate warping to leak like a rear seal failure...Other wise they are a pretty stout engine.
On the cop cars they have Active Fuel Management Lifters. It drops it down to 4 cylinders if you drive it real easy. Those lifters go bad all the time. . Im not sure why they would ever put those kind of lifters in cop cars. They drive them real hard, so it will never drop down to 4 cylinders.
Holden call that DOD..Displacement on demand...I've changed them too...Basically the same job..
After all the fancy stuff is gone, its still a pushrod motor.... good old reliable pushrod.
+Invincible Extremes And they have plenty of potential.
Great vid Zig .. Thumbs up man !!
+ShawnMrFixit Lee Thanks Shawn.
Nice job ZIG, those LS engine are some good engines and can get alot of HP . But like anything I guess they all have their weak points. Take care
+Rusty “rustyglovebox” Glovebox That's true ..Cheers Lloyd.
Awesome video Zig.
+Tom Noble Thanks Tom.
Big job to get to those lifters! How many K's on that engine?
+tomswonderfulworld They're buried in deep.....165,000K's
always good to seer a video
+vwdarrin Thank you mate.
Great vid, nice to see an aussie one, few questions.How did you get the lifters out? Magnets? And did you use ls7 lifters as replacements? I'm thinking of having a go at this, just don't want to get it apart and find I cant get the lifters out.
+Aiden Powell Cheers mate...Once the lifter guides are removed you can pick the lifters out with some pliers...Easy...The lifters suit LS1/LS2 and ecotec V6...Good luck with it mate.
Excellent video mate you make it look simple.
1 quick question, im doing the lifters in my one this weekend and im nervous lol.
01 vx The gen3.
Can i JUST replace the lifters ?
Will it affects the wear pattern on the cam ?
And can i use the old push rods with new lifters?
I think thats 3.
Cheers mate keep thr vids coming.
It's a roller cam engine so no problem.
Great suff mate! How many K's on the Commodore ? Looked a little varnishy in there, but not bad!
+Swilling It's got 165,000k's...I'm pretty sure it's been run with Magnatec Sam...I don't like that stuff at all.
very cool. Thanks for the look-see!
+vw64manyrd You're welcome.
Thumbs up Mate, cheers
+Cheator40 Cheers mate.
Hi mate how much should a job like that set you back. Great vid.
Cheers mate....$1000-1200.
@@ziggassedup where you located mate
Nice work.
+satajet883 Thanks Rich
cool.. thanks for sharing this!
+Shut Yer Face Garage No probs..Cheers Matt.
Hey mate. You certainly seem to know your stuff! I’m new to the game and have an old statesman with the LS1 in it that I’m using as a donor car/learning how to do power train stufff car. Engines got about 250,000 km on it. I got the whole car for a steal so I’m not really worried about it just want your experienced opinion on how long she has left to live and if there’s anything I can do to keep her going! In a year the power train will be used to mock-up and go into a 65 mustang coupe my dad had
If you lean on it that will shorten it's life..It could last for a fair bit longer if you look after it...Oil pumps,cams and lifters is their most fragile areas.
ZIGgassedUP thanks so much for such a quick response mate! If you’re NSW located and work in this area I’d love to know! Haha
Yes and yes.
Nice work
+Buckswoodshop Thanks Matt.
he sounds like Lee priest
How much does a job like this cost Zig? My Holden Vf SS 6.0 litre has lifter noise
About $2000 or so I'll guess...I've not done a VF yet so I'd need more info...Cheers mate.
@@ziggassedup L77 engine like late VE models
Would this be the same for a VE sv6 2010? Or is the timing chain involved do you know? Cheers
No...No timing chain to remove for this job.
Do I have to set the motor at top dead center to change lifters?
@@Kelleyautorepair No mate.
bonnet? , you mean hood? lol just kidding. pretty cool stuff there zig
+FullThrottle440 Thanks Dean.
When doing a lifter change should u replace cam aswell ?
Depends if the lifter has done damage to the cam then yes otherwise a lifter swap is fine...
@ziggassedup cheers mate
knock sensors are prone to collecting water under those rubber plugs and causing codes..
+DW Red I've not had that issue here.
Cool Ziggy
+TheWreckingYard Cheers Ron.
Cool Vid
+100SpokeRiderz Thank you.
If you have a stock LS2 with a failed lifter and you want to switch over to the upgraded LS7 style lifters, do you have to change the pushrod length or can you adjust the Rocker Arms to compensate?
Stock rockers are non adjustable...I'm not sure of the LS7 measurements so I don't know mate...Sorry.
The lifter retainers are plastic correct?
those turtle shell covers look way worse than the bare Ls engine..
True that mate.
Sounds like I got noisy lifters myself so I think I’ll be doing this process soon is there anything I should replace while doing it like bolts gaskets anything? thanks bud love the videos
Thanks Ben...You'll need to buy a "VRS" kit...It contains all the gaskets you'll need and you need to change the head bolts because the y are one time use only although many people reuse the head bolts...The only problem is that if you have a head gasket failure they'll want to know if you used new bolts....Good luck with it mate.
ZIGgassedUP appreciate the info and heads up mate much appreciated 👍
Dam that oil pressure switch is a prick to change out.
Not so bad if you have the correct socket.
I replaced my cam and lifters in my cts v ls6 and it still sounds like it has valve train issue. it did have a damaged cam but not to bad
What kind of damage to the cam.?..Any damage to the cam is bad.
Probably bad valve guides.
how long it take to remove all the lifters? then how long it take to put back together?
It takes about 1 day.
even internal plastic parts wow..
+Rodder Files Yeah I know.!
Cool
+wtbm123 Cheers Terry.
very nice..........tony
+Timetotinker Thanks mate..I hope all is well.
Did you use any special tool to remove the lifters ?
No...Once the heads are off you just remove the lifter keepers(one 10mm bolt in all 4 keepers) and pull them out with your fingers.
what's a bonnet? just joking. nice project. thanks for the video
+Elbows Malone Thanks mate.
How much does this cost
A couple or so Thousand.
cool
+jay taylor Cheers Jay.
You cant say " GOOD I MIGHT '' without sounding Australian .
I LAUGHED AT THIS FOR 10 MINUTES!
@ZIGgassedUP Please HELP ME!
Could the valve oil lifter causes knock? besides the sound i mean when i monitor my engine on the scanner it says knock present:yes
if not why there is a knock in my ls1 ? i tried everything (replace a\f sensors, AirMass, Spark plugs, higher octane fuel, replaced the knock sensors them self) by knock i don't mean the sound of a knock, the computer says that knock is present! and the performance is affected.
tomorrow i'm removing the heads to replace valve oil lifters and clean piston surface.
please any idea what to do?
The knock sensors detect knock from detonation/pre ignition...Usually what happens is the pin in the roller lifter fails and it presents a bottom end rattle...I've not seen lifters set a "knock" situation to the PCM but I guess it's very possible but the failed lifter will have a definite rattle a bit like worn wrist pin and more so when it's cold...Good luck with it mate..
so what do you think should i do next ?
I saw that you've done a 6-8 swap...How many K's on the engine...The lifters usually fail around 100,000K's I've found...How were the plugs when you pulled them out.?...Is it lean.?...Vacuum leaks or poor fuel supply will lean it out...When you say "performance is affected" what do you mean.?...Hard or easy to start..stumble of misfire..or is it in
" limp home" mode.?..I gues the check light is on..If the light isn't on then the problem is other than an electrical vomponant...I'll go look at the vids there may be something there.
Today i checked everything again, also cleaned the fuel injectors.
hook up the scanner again when it's cold first start the scanner displays that knock is not present... after 3-4 minutes it says knock present, removed one spark plug and checked with a camera scoop the surface of the piston looked clean, the last thing i wanted to know is: if the valve lifters are ticking, does the knock sensor detect it as a knock?
and thanks for your reply :)
i mean that performance is affected because when the pcm detect a knock via a knock sensor it will hold back the performance.
there is definitely no misfire no lean/rich no leaks nothing!
Fun Fun Fun - T=up Zigg
+FixinThatUp Sure is...Cheers.
how much for a job like this
Prices vary.
Ok thanks
Average shop price...$1200
+ZIGgassedUP i was thinking around that price thanks
ua-cam.com/users/shortsDnOr06w_HAs put a vcm 11 kit in it ahah whole new valvetrain how time flys
Massive job for a lifters, I wonder why people still buying this kind of junk, thanks god there is plenty of car manufacturers...
If you have a stock LS2 with a failed lifter and you want to switch over to the upgraded LS7 style lifters, do you have to change the pushrod length or can you adjust the Rocker Arms to compensate?
that has to be the single gayest thing about the ls1
It's inconvenient for sure.
I dont trust the new gasket the extra work at that stage is minimal the last head gasket I did was on a opal motor I couldnt clean it to where I thought this could last but these newer gaskets look easier to work with - thanks for the video - how did the gasket hold up - I just got a lx8 Im waiting for the new abs unit from pec so doing things like leads plugs etc - its got all the same holden issues leaking rear seal leaking power steering hoses roof liner so on so on @@ziggassedup