ddrum's Entire e-Drum Lineup
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- ddrum never gets talked about, so lets catch up with what they've been up to.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:48 DDTI
3:54 EFLEX Drums
7:41 Triggers
10:22 NIO Sample Pad
12:46 Hybrid Line
13:52 What's Next?
It's so sad to see what Simmons and Ddrum have become. I remember a time when Roland was the goofy company trying too hard. Yamaha would wait until everyone else put something out to try and out do everyone and Alesis made the best modules known to man. But this isn't the 80s and 90s. Let's hope these companies step up and try to get back their quality namesakes.
Back in 1988 I bought a new ddrum 2 with 5 toms, snare and kick pads. It cost about 3600 US dollars and was state of the art back then. My band mates were so impressed with the sound quality. It really was a great sounding kit. Sometime later I received an upgraded circuit board for free from Clavia. New more sounds, better edit possibilities etc. It was amazing! Fond memories.
Can you do a time line of all the lemon e-drumsets?
I’ll keep the video idea in mind 👍
I always learn something new!
Nice gear review!! I like how honest you were about the kit!!
I try to not to be overly negative about specific drum sets. but had to make an exception for this one.
Another great video. This is pretty informative for me. I am very interested in the Ddrum trigger pacs. Currently use the Roland triggers, and like their low profile. But these Ddrum triggers look sturdy.. stronger maybe? But they are also pretty bulky. Thanks for posting, I enjoy your channel.
nice! if i didn't already have a strike pro, i'd consider piecing a kit together from the ddrum hybrid kit
I just watched a vid about tools. The same tool packaged and branded 4 different ways. Price ranged from $140 to $400. Similar to that sample pad.
I have installed DDrum's Red shot triggers on a Traps A400 and their sensitivity is very good so far. Fyi I chose Red shot because are the only ones that can be mounted on the rims. Nice video
The old DDTI could get firmware updates, but it was not the easiest to do. It was done via the midi port and you had to send it via a hex editor. Was not the easiest thing to do for someone who isn't computer savvy.
Thanks for the info! the guy at the booth told me that you couldn’t get firmware updates on the old one, so I ran off that information in the video
As a DDrum acoustic user myself, I like to think that they put in big efforts to make the acoustic drums proper and stagnated a bit with the E-drums side of things. I hope they’ll be back on top soon!
I have piezos 10 dollars for a bunch. On ddrum cheap triggers I just soldered a piezo to extra under slipped piezo under works better than before.
Well, I am curious too what will come up next from ddrum...
i just took delivery of the DDTi . my plan is to get chrome elite triggers and mesh heads to convert my acoustic kit .
in the meantime i tried it out with my old Simmons SDS7 pads. Right out of the box with no tweeking of paramaters the Simmons pads were more resposive than they ever were with the Simmons brain.
the DDTi is already more than worth the price for me.
if anyone has any thoughts about the chrome elite triggers please leave a reply
thanks 😀
ddrum acoustic kits are actually really good for the money, and pretty decent regardless.
I think they have just been going full on for the metal drummers. Kits that look big and impressive while making it easy to trigger slamming samples live.
Hey man, can you do an in-depth review on the Roland td02kv. I know it's a mark down on the td07kv you did a few years ago but it would really help me out as a noob looking to buy. Thanks
Will the new trigger io be compatible with Roland cymbals? I have the old Alesis version and it never would get along with my Roland cymbals, particularly my triple zone ride…
the e-flex toms and snare are TINY !!!! 6 inches at the most
It’s fine if others need to keep up, but I think the main reason we need competition is for fairer pricing structures.
I've got a DDTi which I used on my kit for a couple of years, and, to be honest, the triggering is horrible. I tried it on my converted acoustic drums, a Roland snare pad (PDA-120LS), and the triggering was all over the place. It would miss certain hits, the masking for double triggering was awful, and it was impossible to play a drum fill without losing a few hits.
I've replaced it with a Roland TD-27 and the difference is night-and-day, every drum just worked when plugged in, with very little adjustment to the trigger settings.
Seeing Aroma drums reminded me of how their 500 USD TDX-25s has much more features than a Roland TD-07KV which costs 1500 USD in my country. The Aroma TDX-25s has triple-zone ride cymbals and two(2) dual-zone crash cymbals 5+4 setup. The module is probably bad but I'll be using superior drummer anyways so it doesn't matter. If only Roland drums weren't double the price where I live, I'd happily save for one.
Is there a way to identify the new DDTI, i mean physical differences over the old one?
My drum teacher in the mid/late 90s sported a ddrum triggered setup at home which I was incredibly impressed with as a teen. I haven't been able to properly persue my hobby in the last couple of decades, and am kind of sad to thee them having succumbed to some questionable ways. But I still think that having great and universal trigger modules to connect to any kind of (software) brains of my choosing should be a much more common way for edrums, with internal sounds merely being meant for practice or demo purposes only. I mean... if I'm set on going the digital route, you can pretty much expect me to have some kind of computer with me anyways.
Even from a business point of view, it seems much more reasonable to have some companies focus on hardware and trigger accuracy and versatility, and others invested in sound quality and plentitude. Not EVERYTHING needs to be a closed system. And in this particular case, the interfaces are all there and in use already. Utilize them in an appropiately flexible way, please!
Can you use the Ddrum triggers with other brands modules? Is it possible to mix an match triggers with modules that are different brands? Is there a guide or rules to follow for doing something like that?
Yes - they are all just "piezo triggers" - microphones, essentially. But since each has slightly different behaviour, it takes some tweaking if your module doesn't already have a specific preset for that pad / trigger.
Kiss of death for that Ddrum drumset and way over priced ! IMHO, However someone will buy it, Because they give some sticks/pedals and a thrown. Yay ! Or maybe I might buy it as a gift since I'm too lazy to put a pkg together 😛. Their triggers are good & fairly inexpensive in comparison to Roland/Yamaha. I happen to like the 2Box triggers and the Simmon's $19 triggers when it comes to cheap triggers. Ddrum's high end triggers use XLR ? Why ? Is it better sound quality ? Lower latency ? I dunno 🤔Your review is 💯% spot on. Thanks for another great upload
I bought Millenium Nonapad a while back. What bothered me was that there is a continuous high pitched noise on its output, of which the frequency slightly changes when a sample is played. This was especially obvious when playing loops. I felt like this could be a problem playing live (at church) and for recordings. Thomann first sent me a replacement but it had the same issue so I got a refund. Other than the noise issue I have to say I really enjoyed playing the pad: no crosstalk issue on the two pads I tried and the samples are quite good, especially considering the price.
Do you still own the strike multipad? I wonder how it's holding up after years of use: is it as durable as the Roland pads?
that sucks about the noise problem. And for my Alesis Strike Multipad, I broke off one of the control dials by accident. I don't think it's fixable unfortunately because of the design
The stuff from DDrum of today is trash compared to the early stuff. I used DDrum 2, almost went with DDrum 3 (BIG mistake not going with DDrum 3), and instead of DDrum 3 went with DDrum 4. It was all owned and manufactured by Clavia out of Sweden back then. Clavia was also making the Nord/Lead synthesizer. Unfortunately, Clavia was much smaller than Roland and couldn't continue competing with e-drums and synthesizers/keyboards, so Clavia sold the DDrum brand to Armadillo Enterprises in the USA. Armadillo then came out with DDrum acoustic drums and e-drums. Never liked their acoustic drums and the e-drums were junk compared to what Clavia produced. The stuff from 2Box is made by former Clavia DDrum people, and I use some of that stuff.
Everybody now is coming with drum amps which is the best ?
Honestly I'm not sure
Do you think Roland is releasing a new flagship this year?
Probably not, they are still in the mid-gen refresh faze of the TD50X. But maybe a year or two from now
What? How was the old DDTI not compatible with arm macs?
The guy that I talk to at the ddrum booth, said the old one could do it with work arounds. But it wasn’t ideal, so they updated the new one.
@@65Drums I want to know what non-class compliant nonsense was going on to require work arounds for a simple usb midi connection
best title haha
lol glad you liked it, I wanted something slightly cheeky
What is your favorite e drum for 800 dollars
The Roland TD-O7DMK
@@65Drums THanks is because im saving 800 dollars for an electronic drum set
If I were them I'd open a sister company called e drum.
I think theres a company in south america called e-drum midi
The NAME has 40 years of history. The current company has nothing to do with the original company, which has evolved into Clavia / Nord keyboards. When they started being successful with Nord keyboards, they stopped developing drumsets, and only kept selling the triggers.
The triggers are also the only product in common between the now and old company. The last electronic drum module developed in Sweden was ddrum4 SE, more than 23 years ago.
The name was sold to "armadillo" enterprises in 2005.
The original ddrum developers went on to found 2Box, which now seems to be defunct too.
Either case, the current ddrum company is purely in the re-badge business it seems....
How come this wasn't mentioned in your video?
Here's a nice history writeup I found:
Clavia: 1983-2005, The History of ddrum
Ddrum started in 1983 in Stockholm and their first product was a Percussion Plate. This was a 9” square flat metal box with a rubber disk on the top. When you hit the disc with a drum stick, a sound was triggered from an EPROM removable chip inside. The sounds were 8 bit samples (low quality by today’s standards) but the dynamics were great and it was the only pad of its kind. You have got to remember that the rest of the world was using Simmons drums - big hexagonal plastic pads that triggered a very basic analogue synthetic sound - hardly realistic.
An American entrepreneur saw the Percussion Plate and ordered 25 pieces. The design was cleaned up and Ddrum launched their first proper product, the Digital Percussion Plate DP1 with its square rubber pad and red graphics (continued by Ddrum to the present day) in 1984. The revised DP1 had a cartridge slot for the EPROM chips and despite each pad only being able to play one sound at a time, it sold well to professionals who could see the potential (and at the time the technology was not cheap).
Ddrums first kit came in 1984 too. The ddrumRack and ddrumStudio were five piece kits with real head pads and a modular ‘brain’ with slots for eight sound modules, all mounted in a wooden 19” rack case. The kits visuals were kept right up until the Ddrum 3 and replaceable cartridges provided the sounds. However it was expensive so Ddrum released the ddrumPlus! (complete with exclamation mark) which was a 6 channel system which could hold 4 samples on each channel.
The ddrum2 came in 1986 and this is when Ddrum got taken really seriously as players like Larry Londin and Jim Keltner started to use them in the LA studio scene. This unit had 8 channels, 16 voices and MIDI and featured something called Drumhead Vibration Algorithm which prevented the ‘machine gun’ effect when samples were repeatedly triggered. Sounds were layerable by velocity (velocity crossfades) and SoundPacs (cartridges with 2 to 20 sounds each) could be purchased to increase the sounds.
The ddrumAT was a version of the ddrum2 which was just aimed at the triggering market which was taking off. This was released in 1990 and was the only Ddrum brain which wasn’t in the traditional red. Ddrum triggers were released for it and these became the industry standard (and many would argue that they still are today, 15 years later).
The Big Daddy of all came in 1993 with the ddrum3. This was an immensely powerful unit that would still be selling well today if it were still produced. The trigger interface had the fastest response time of any unit (including all the modern units) of 1.5milliseconds. Not only were the pads incredibly sensitive (1000 levels in comparison with 127 on most units today) but they were also positionally sensitive and could tell where the pad was hit as well as how hard. It could record over its digital ins (but had no direct sampling input) and had a flash memory system to save and load whole kits. You could load your own samples in from a computer via MIDI and the sound quality was stunning. The brain was rack mountable and EVERY big tour of the time had one in the drum racks. Heavy metal drummers got into Ddrum in a big way when they realised they could trigger their ridiculously fast double kick patterns very lightly and allow the electronic to make it sound big, fat, loud and even. It is also the only kit you can take in a studio and make it sound EXACTLY like an acoustic kit, which is precisely why so many pros had/have one. It doesn’t sound big and processed, it just sounds like a real kit with microphones on it. If you have one of these - keep it.
The ddrum4 was released in the late ‘90’s and is (was) a scaled down ddrum3. You can still load your own samples and the triggering is still superb but ddrum began to get behind the competition at this point - the brain had no click, no backing tracks and no whistles and bells, which is exactly why the pros continued to buy it but the general public wanted more. Ddrum provided mesh head pads later and also cheaper triggers (the Redshots) but it would appear that sales were going to the DTX’s and Vdrums.
It would appear that ddrum and Armadillo are continuing product support for the products so I wouldn’t worry if you have recently bought one - in fact, go and buy one if you find one as they are very reliable and road worthy and they should last 10 years or so (I know a few guys who have ddrum3 kits who would sell them for the world and who haven’t had a problem since 1993 - how many modern kits can you say that about?). The ddrum4 is excellent for triggering and sounds if you can do without the flashy extras.
So, with new owners for ddrum, we will look and see what happens but an era has definitely passed. Will the new owners try and compete with the new breed of kits? Will the brand disappear from view? Will a new name appear from the US and corner the market? Who knows? It should be interesting.
Written history courtesy of John Williams (2005)
Yes, everything you said is true. I covered the things you mentioned in my 4 hour history of electronic drums documentary series. I know you wish I had also covered those aspects in this video as well. But I went with just talking about the products for the most part.
Justin, plenty to chew upon as far what the brand offers: range, quality, price and developments. Their background and direction seem at odds with ddrum origins and if that’s where you research before buying then it may be a niche-deciding factor. The triggers seem to cover most levels of technical upgrade with prices to match, whereas the pad set clones meet an entry-level stance. The hybrid kits look interesting and may strike a particularly favourable balance over more expensive offerings from big name brands. The interfaces look like a real winner but with availability frozen for the port-only gear then others will try to fill the gap and take up those customers in real-time need of suitable kit.
Song: Secret separation
Band: The Fixx
Year: 1986
Drummer is playing ddrum electronic drums. They've been around a while.
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I think ddrum drum triggers are junk,but that's just my experience.
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