I never understood "trash fish". I target all species, I don't discriminate. From bluegill to alligator gar, a fish is a fish, they're all fun to catch.
The problem is tournaments using livescope. "Pros" should fish with their senses and knowledge not staring at a screen the entire time. The technology is fine and not going anywhere and like you mentioned, doesn't instantly make you catch fish. Tournaments should allow all electronics including livescope only on practice days where people can mark their locations and spots they want to fish the days of the tournament but no livescope or 360 should be allowed. Fish finder is the only thing you can have.
I slightly agree the only problem is for example at a smallmouth tournament such as the st Lawrence or Mille lacs or Champlain if FFS is taken away guys are going to rely heavily on 2D which is just a guy looking at a screen all day. The other issue is that b.a.s.s and MLF are trying to showcase these fisheries to create tourism and FFS just increases weights making fisheries look very good on paper.
@@devinwillis7787 i don’t have an issue with people using ffs. i have it and i use it because i don’t want to skunk 🤷🏻♂️🤣 and when the wife gives me a pass to go fish, im going to make sure i catch fish! Im only referring to usage during tournaments only by “professionals”.
From a guy who doesn't have livescope, I feel like lots of people over hype livescope. I am sure it is useful in the right situations but I don't know if it's worth the money. I guess it just depends on how you want to catch fish. Amazing content as always Tyler!
@@4ReelAnglinfor small mouth fishermen like myself It’s a huge advantage for fishing for a lot of shallow largemouth in the grass it doesn’t make the world of a difference
@@CarrieDiehlinteresting, I guess like I said it just depends on your budget and how you want to fish. I am sure someday I will probably get livescipe but not right now 😅
I use mine the same way, it makes it easier to stay on the edge of grass lines with forward facing sonar, rarely am I looking at fish and casting to them
I’m glad they introduced livescope into the mix, now everytime I can’t catch any fish while everyone else is I just blame it on livescope and not the fact that I missed 10/10 hooksets 😂
I honestly believe it’s up to the angler on how they want to fish using updated technology. One thing is some anglers spend more time staring at a screen than they do fishing.
Great info!..but for me it's the cost, and the uncertainty of if the Livescope would work at all on the bayou areas I fish, which tend to be mud or grass bottoms. Typically less than 15' deep on the edges of marsh grass.
Cost for me too. I've got an old 83 ranger. With a small older minn Kota trolling motor. Livescope will cost more than the boat itself. I want it so bad I can taste it ( for crappie mostly). Can I put forward facing sonar on an older trolling motor? Or would I need the new trolling motor with spot lock?
@@svanginault Just get it.. i got mine few months ago broke all my pbs in like 10 sessions.. been fishing for 30 years.. I catch a lot of suspended fish over deep water mostly.. but can also find fish on a few feet deep.. Just start by getting a screen.. maybe u can find a deal on alvs32 .. best 1000 bucks u can spend on fishing equipment.
I'm a bank angler. I have nothing against live scope, electronics. I just enjoy being outdoors and having a chance to land a few nice bass every so often. My question is will technology develop lures that navigate their way into a fish's mouth? Elon Musk, are you reading this!
It’s very much a fair comparison. If you’d event hunted pressured animals with infrared you’d know that. It doesn’t put you in the right field but it does artificially enhance your ability to see what’s in the field. It’s a valid comparison.
@@prestongreenbay6336my lake is highly pressured and ironically all of the ffs has pushed bass super shallow. The solution? No I just bank fish and catch more bass from the bank lol.
I think with livescope it only helps locate fish and not catch them because you still need to apply different styles in order to get reaction anyhow great video Tyler
Great video! I might mention another item (#4) being directional inaccuracy resulting from the screen transposing 3D info onto a 2D display. There is no left/right/center for the display: only depth/distance. Just got my unit last year and now realize I was likely casting to fish that weren't positioned where the screen showed them. To get directional accuracy you have to factor in the beam width at the distance to the fish shown on the display, then move your beam left/right until you get the strongest return for the fish. Hopefully, I'll have better luck this year!
This is so outrageous... Livescope gives you information on how individual fish are behaving and how they are reacting to your presentations. If you can't leave an inactive fish, you're a bad angler. Just move, and throw various presentations at the next fish. If you have 4 rods rigged with various presentations, and you just keep using a jerk bait, you're just bad. The fact that you can't see fish hugging the bottom is also irrelevant. That problem also exists on 2D and downscan technology, in fact it's worse. You're on a lake with incomplete information, so be smart and understand the limitations of your equipment, use your head, and problem solve. That's the best part of fishing. Livescope doesn't "solve fishing", it just adds another piece of information into the game which in my opinion makes fishing more exciting. These aren't "problems with livescope" these are problems with the angler. This is like sticking to your favorite spot all day without a bite because you're too lazy to move. Livescope makes you catch 5X the amount of fish without question. Be a conservative angler, and limit your catch, don't catch your limit, and make good releases with barbless hooks everyone! Let's keep the fisheries strong for future generations :)
My buddy just picked up an lvs32 for this Ice fishing season and she has been a deadly unit.. definitely helps you read the mood of the fish better than a flasher but I am not the biggest fan of using it solely on its own. I think the one two punch between the livescope and the flasher is a deadly combo on the ice especially when your hopping holes. Usually keep the scope in one or two main holes around the middle of the area im fishing and then if I scan around and see fish you can just walk over with the flasher and bang your on em! Plus in terms of deciphering the species of fish we’ve found it extremely easy to pick though them whether it be tulipee, crappie, walleye, or pike. We aren’t 100% accurate with the guesses but a hell of a big difference compared to just using my striker 5
The biggest problem with livescope: I spend half my time going "Wow look at that" and not actually fishing. I mean, I'm having a blast just looking around so thats great and all. I think the Crappie in my like appreciate more observation and less hook sets.
It has made fishing more fun for me so that made it worth it. I only use it on the lakes though. I leave all the electronics at home on river days and just enjoy re-connecting with nature. Best of both worlds.
I think a lot of the points you make apply to basic bass fishing. It's easy to get a bite on whatever you're tossing, not know what's biting it, but lock in on that lure and location for an hour or two, not catching any fish. Also, I've never used livescope, but have used basic fishfinding sonar. It's a tool, and there's nothing wrong with using it. As you point out, it's when you crutch on it that it can get in your way. But if you combine the information from your sonar with your knowledge, you're guaranteed to catch more fish.
exactly that’s not some trade secret every fish is different and things change on a dime that’s common fishing knowledge you even see it on strike cams one fish will completely snub a lure and the one next to it will inhale it also fish will completely lose interest in a lure or turn off completely fishing is pivoting there’s no excuse for getting tunnel visioned unless that’s the only lure you have left lol
like last week i was above 30 feet of water and getting a lot of marks on about 15 feet.. so i put a bait down and it got hit by a 38'' zander after 5 seconds..so i was like damn i need to fish like this more.. did that for 2 hours.. caught nothing offcourse.. but still looking into getting livestope..i want to catch some of these suspending big fish.. i know they are out there..
Ive by now gotten livescope and caught a lot of big suspended fish.. i think its not comparable as a tool to any other fishfinder out there.. u just have to experience it.. finding big fish over deep water u coudlnt catch before has been a eye opener for me.
To each their own...I am not one of those rabid anti-livescopers, but lots of us fish to get away from staring at screens all day so turning fishing into a freaking video game has no appeal. To those of you who like it, more power to you.
By what multiple do you think livescope increases the count of fish you catch in a single day? I just started fishing in local tourneys in july this year and have found that the guys with livescope seem to always catch their limit and cull fish but I rarely do. I'm sure some of it can be chalked up to inexperience but I'm curious if in a given day I typically catch 4-6 bass...would I expect that to turn into 6-8, 8-12, etc. because I can rule out areas with no fish and focus more-so on those that do? Welcome other users thoughts here as well!
Hmm, there really is no good answer to that. Sometimes I catch 1-3 more fish per day because of it, and sometimes (rarely), I only make a cast when I see one. Mostly suspended fish winter days. Those days years ago I would only catch 1-2 per day, now I’m catching a dozen or more. It really is hard to quantify though More experience on bodies of water, and spring time events will even out the field. But if it’s winter, summer, or smallmouth, Livescope guys will always do better
@TylersReelFishing thanks so much for the reply! Quick follow up! Would you consider forward facing sonar essential for competing in tournaments nowadays?
Tyler, it's good to see you coming closer to the realization that technology like Live Scope is the detriment of the essence of fishing. As I've said before, it's about instinct and experience to catch fish. Now, I know where you stand with tech and fishing so I respect your stance. But thanks for making this video and being honest about Forward Facing Sonar.
I watched this video again and noticed you run a Skeeter rig. I trust your honesty so here is a question. First let me say I love Skeeter boats. I have fished in one and drove it. I am retired and I don't fish tournaments. My wife and I just fish for bass for the fun of it. She likes to go slow around 3000 to 3500 rpms and enjoying the ride. She drives most of the time. Now I will get back to the question. Skeeter boats I hear porpose( not sure about that spelling) up to 4000rpms before they level out for a smooth ride. Could you reply on this video your thinking on this matter?
That totally depends on the model and year the hull. Some do, some don’t. I honestly think you need more of a deep v type boat if that’s the RPMs y’all like to chill at. Skeeter’s got those too! Feel free to email me about this if you have more questions. TylersReelFishing@gmail.com
I get a kick out of the pro livescopers responses to folks that dont like livescope, people who don't like it, can't afford it., they dont understand electronics, and my favorite is people think livescope makes fish jump into the boat. I could write a check tomorrow and put it on my boat, I do understand electronics and I dont think livescope makes fish jump into the boat( dumbest response ever). I understand that it is a tool but just give credit where credit is due. Livescope makes a average fisherman think he's good and makes a good fisherman think he is great.
It can also make an elite fisherman even more elite. 99% of pro anglers would still catch good fish without it, this just makes the learning process faster
I’m pretty sure most people who hate on live scope are mostly just expressing the fact that they would also like a 50-60,000+ dollar bass boat with live scope, at least that’s what I would like to have 😭
AT2 helped us catch more fish this yr, but we learned things like there's always some type of fish in shad balls. I too had bass come from the bottom I didn't see before. So I'm still trying to ignore ffs in spots where they should be.
Striped Bass or White Bass or Blue Gill are definitely not " trash fish" and are targeted by many anglers. All are better eating than Large Mouth Bass. A Striped Bass will give the fight of your life!
@@TylersReelFishing Maybe so but like everything else in life, there are true lovers of a trade, a profession, or in this case a sport, and then there are the sell outs.
@@TylersReelFishing What I am saying, is that just as there are Multi Million dollar boxing fights, and amateur fights, which are always better because they are hungry fighters not relying on the million dollar payout, there should be tournaments for anglers that do not rely on looking at a screen all day for direction, but rather use skill and instinct to find the fish. Just my, and many others, opinion. Don't get upset, you put out content, you need to expect mixed reactions.
@@hectorcamacho5565I agree that there is something to knowing what your doing without electronics, but there is a skill to being able to read the higher end fish finder and use different sonars to figure out as to where the fish are, just because you use Livescope, active target, mega live or any sonar doesn’t mean your less skilled, there’s a time and place for Livescope, in the spring I really never use mine, but in mid summer and mid winter it’s the difference from getting skunked and catching a giant, it’s just really useful for specific times of the year and different body’s of water, it’s a long shot to try and through the baby out with the bath water and say Livescope is cheating, and it should be banned, yes it gives anglers an advantage over others who don’t have it, but you still gotta catch the fish, it doesn’t do that for you. Hope this helps, God bless! Tight lines!
Its just another tool, that has a learning curve, that helps you find fish (Doesn't help you catch them) just like all the fishing electronics of the past. I'll get it when I can afford it. And I'll keep catching them without it.
same with 360, same with target lock, same with side scan, same with down imaging, same with 2D, same with spot lock, same with power poles, mapping etc...
Ehh, even I would argue that it does help you catch them, when they are in certain moods. Not to the extent that the haters like to claim, but it’s still there.
I'll watch it and save the video, but I won't need it until "I need it," lol half the time I see you guys using fish finders, I have no idea what the heck you're looking at in the first place. It would have to be something that like you had to do, and learn it over time. Right now I don't own a boat or even a kayak, so just walking around with it on the bank, doesn't sound like it would be that great of an idea. I've seen a few apps they have for phones, but I think they're just more or less data, not sonar. I could be wrong, but that's all I know.
Livescope does not find fish it just tells you if fish are there. Good points about trash or noncatchable fish. I chase big redfish and tarpon easier to spot.
Hey Tyler, awesome vid. I definitely think livescope gives the angler a very niche advantage. Personally, I don’t enjoy watching pro anglers in tourneys use it but that is a personal preference. I think randy blauket said it best when he said it’s like a putter in gold that does all your put calculations for you and all you have to do is decide to putt. Maybe I’m wrong on that but that is kinda what it looks to me. But other than personal preference, there is one big thing I am not a fan of livescope for. I think if this tech is continued to be used it may have a negative effect on the big breeder stock in lakes and could potentially really affect genetics of bass to come. Historically the biggest fish in lakes could hide very effectively from anglers out deep. Now that is much harder with livescope and they could be abused and not have the survival rates tagt they used to. Especially fish brought up from really deep may have a hard time getting back down to the bottom if not an impossible time due to pressure. You see it in saltwater fishing all the time that a fish died due to an unhealthy release from being caught off bottom in really deep water. I am not sure how it all will play out and I hope to be proven wrong but that is my fear.
Randy is 1,000,000% wrong on that putter comparison, as with many comparisons he makes. I can respect his desire to not use it, but he makes some pretty outlandish claims in my opinion
man i love reading this. i unsubbed from him about a year ago when he was railing against drag of all things. c'mon! he's opposed the people using drag??? for real??? also he didn't name names but i felt he was talking about taku ito. everybody loves taku! that guy's an old crank
True, but lots of things in life are that way. If you don’t learn to handle a fast sports car well, and you buy an expensive one, you’re gonna be disappointed at the handling, cause you just don’t know how to use it best yet
Crazy how people who got access to electronics biggest issues is fish hugging the bottom or too much informations they wouldn't have access to under what fishing used to be. It's only a matter of short time before people adjust compare to what used to take decades from gaining local and seasonal knowledge. Can't deny it's a much more powerful tool on par with what took decades for locals to learn about their favorite holes if not way better.
Right? Bunch of spoiled a'holes complaining about their livescope! It's comical! Oh woah is me, all this $30,000 worth of equipment is hindering me now. DOH! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
To me tournament fishermen should not be able to use sonar of any kind while in the tournament, I see it as cheating, if they are truely that good at catching bass they have no need of it while in the tournament. I don't own a boat, I fish from the bank using only what I know when fishing. Just my thoughts on the live scope and other sonar during tournaments.
I did exactly what your talking about. I caught 2 fish and if I had been fishing like normal I would have done better. In my defense though I’ve just recently got FF. I am still learning how to use!
Never said it’s better than normal “blind” fishing all the time! But in certain situations, if you’re in the right areas and know how to use it well, Livescope anglers will blow “blind” anglers out of the water
@@TylersReelFishing I think I am getting the hang of it. It obviously isn’t guaranteed but I caught a couple off a spot I don’t think I would have ever caught without it. After that they just shut down but I know there was more there. I probably should have cycled threw a few more baits.
OK… everyone is entitled to their own opinion but these anti livecopers take it TOO far livescope is not ruining the sport for you. You can fish the bank and the old fashioned way all you want and can still catch fish. 🤦🏼♂️😂
You should try deeper START bobber sonar from shore. For bank fisherman. Might get a new sponsor. I've used mine 3 times now and love it. Specifically for depth and drop offs. Just a thought.
Most big bass will just die off.. after being caught a few times.. over deep water.. there used to be so many more of them.. now even their last hideouts are not safe.. i dont see things improving for big fish..
Tyler thanks for videos and all your tips & advice. Us average Joe's and family men it is hard to justify FFS, family first always. Reading some of your "members" comments, the one that I got a kick out of said it all, if you aren't scoping your just hoping. Sounds to me guys like him probably don't know the first thing about real bass fishing, seasonal patterns, time of day, water clarity, etc etc etc. Wonder if he ever gave thought about the last place he scoped that didn't show fish. JUST SAYING
Ive been fishing over 30 years, got ffs this spring.. improved all my pbs in a couple of sessions.. just saying.. Fishing the same water i did before.. i couldve never found/caught those fish without it. Like if a nice rod costs 400 bucks then spending 1k on a ducer isnt so crazy.
I don’t get the appeal of electronics but don’t care that people use them either. I have a canoe and rig a couple rod holders on it and hit unpressured waters where guys with big boats can’t go.
Josh Jones has said in podcast that we can tell the fish species, being able to read minor differences is a skill for sure but eventually more people will figure it out
Some State game and fish: if you want to shoot a crossbow you need a doctor's note that says your shoulders are no good. Also state game and fish: forward facing sonar? Everybody get one.
the problem with livescope is people are buying crazy technologies they could never hope to fully utilize and its very wasteful and harmful to our environment. do these people know the environment is where the fish live? or do they just not care?
Brother I release 2 videos a week, some pond focused, some kayak focused, some shallow fishing focused, some deep fishing focused, some with electronics, some without. If I put out a Livescope video once in a blue moon and you unsubscribe because of it, you wild 😂
None of these sound like real problems with the livescope. It sounds like more of an experience using the livescope. You could experience all the same problems with the regular sonar.
You don’t see the fish on the bottom because your setting are wrong, to much backlight and gain in combination with the wrong color scheme you don’t see lighter spots on your screen.😂calls himself a pro
You only know those fish came off the bottom like that in your examples because you were using live scope lol and you got to see their behavior and you get the time you’re a little stroll bait just right and you catch them….. if you didn’t catch one of the first cast, without the live scope, you just would’ve moved on 😂…. like you said, live, scopes, not going anywhere you don’t need to defend it…. it helps you catch way more fish especially when they’re hard to catch….. and we don’t wanna watch pros all offshore, staring at screens we want them to have the knowledge and the experience and the skill…. not step out of their mothers basement and win tournaments!
I never understood "trash fish". I target all species, I don't discriminate. From bluegill to alligator gar, a fish is a fish, they're all fun to catch.
Bass is only thing that counts in a tourney
@@leebooker4216There's competitions for other species too
Yeah, I hate that term ''trash fish" as well. Real anglers know better!
@@conorhealy6392they eat good, especially bass
The problem is tournaments using livescope. "Pros" should fish with their senses and knowledge not staring at a screen the entire time. The technology is fine and not going anywhere and like you mentioned, doesn't instantly make you catch fish. Tournaments should allow all electronics including livescope only on practice days where people can mark their locations and spots they want to fish the days of the tournament but no livescope or 360 should be allowed. Fish finder is the only thing you can have.
I slightly agree the only problem is for example at a smallmouth tournament such as the st Lawrence or Mille lacs or Champlain if FFS is taken away guys are going to rely heavily on 2D which is just a guy looking at a screen all day. The other issue is that b.a.s.s and MLF are trying to showcase these fisheries to create tourism and FFS just increases weights making fisheries look very good on paper.
Taking away ffs won’t stop people from standing in 50 feet of water staring at 2d on Lake Ontario
This is a great solution! I also thought about use during practice but no electronics for competition.
@@danielgreen8944 how would you verify that
@@devinwillis7787 i don’t have an issue with people using ffs. i have it and i use it because i don’t want to skunk 🤷🏻♂️🤣 and when the wife gives me a pass to go fish, im going to make sure i catch fish! Im only referring to usage during tournaments only by “professionals”.
From a guy who doesn't have livescope, I feel like lots of people over hype livescope. I am sure it is useful in the right situations but I don't know if it's worth the money. I guess it just depends on how you want to catch fish. Amazing content as always Tyler!
Also congrats on 320k subs!!!! 🎉
@@4ReelAnglinfor small mouth fishermen like myself It’s a huge advantage for fishing for a lot of shallow largemouth in the grass it doesn’t make the world of a difference
@@CarrieDiehlinteresting, I guess like I said it just depends on your budget and how you want to fish. I am sure someday I will probably get livescipe but not right now 😅
@@4ReelAnglin I know what you mean I don’t have it either. I just have fished with people who do. And it always makes me so jealous.😅
@@CarrieDiehl yeah, the people that have it can definitely have an advantage.
I use my ffs mainly for a live contour of the bottom, edge of grass, etc, so I can position my boat for the most effective cast.
I use mine the same way, it makes it easier to stay on the edge of grass lines with forward facing sonar, rarely am I looking at fish and casting to them
I am glad you said that because I haven’t had mine very long. That is something I really didn’t think about! Thanks
I’m glad they introduced livescope into the mix, now everytime I can’t catch any fish while everyone else is I just blame it on livescope and not the fact that I missed 10/10 hooksets 😂
Dude me too😂 my wife- “why did they catch 25 lbs today and you caught 14??” Me-“oh baby they have livescope money” as if it’s not fishing skills😂
I honestly believe it’s up to the angler on how they want to fish using updated technology. One thing is some anglers spend more time staring at a screen than they do fishing.
Great info!..but for me it's the cost, and the uncertainty of if the Livescope would work at all on the bayou areas I fish, which tend to be mud or grass bottoms. Typically less than 15' deep on the edges of marsh grass.
Trust me it will work for you in certain areas.
It will work
Cost for me too. I've got an old 83 ranger. With a small older minn Kota trolling motor. Livescope will cost more than the boat itself. I want it so bad I can taste it ( for crappie mostly). Can I put forward facing sonar on an older trolling motor? Or would I need the new trolling motor with spot lock?
@@svanginault Just get it.. i got mine few months ago broke all my pbs in like 10 sessions.. been fishing for 30 years.. I catch a lot of suspended fish over deep water mostly.. but can also find fish on a few feet deep.. Just start by getting a screen.. maybe u can find a deal on alvs32 .. best 1000 bucks u can spend on fishing equipment.
“Jerkin on live scope”
Lmao
Striper... trash fish?? Tell me you're not from the East Coast without telling me you're not from the East Coast, lol.
I’m not from the east coast
He's definitely not from the east coast. Striper is a true bass, largemouth is a sunfish, lmao
I'm a bank angler. I have nothing against live scope, electronics. I just enjoy being outdoors and having a chance to land a few nice bass every so often. My question is will technology develop lures that navigate their way into a fish's mouth? Elon Musk, are you reading this!
😂
Lol
Let’s just start deer hunting in the dark with infrared goggles on!
Not a fair comparison at all, and if you’ve Livescope for pressured bass you’d know that
It’s very much a fair comparison. If you’d event hunted pressured animals with infrared you’d know that. It doesn’t put you in the right field but it does artificially enhance your ability to see what’s in the field. It’s a valid comparison.
The problem is the plp that don't have it and have to fish pressure bass basically have zero chance
@@prestongreenbay6336my lake is highly pressured and ironically all of the ffs has pushed bass super shallow. The solution? No I just bank fish and catch more bass from the bank lol.
I think with livescope it only helps locate fish and not catch them because you still need to apply different styles in order to get reaction anyhow great video Tyler
Great video! I might mention another item (#4) being directional inaccuracy resulting from the screen transposing 3D info onto a 2D display. There is no left/right/center for the display: only depth/distance. Just got my unit last year and now realize I was likely casting to fish that weren't positioned where the screen showed them. To get directional accuracy you have to factor in the beam width at the distance to the fish shown on the display, then move your beam left/right until you get the strongest return for the fish. Hopefully, I'll have better luck this year!
Oh wow, you mean you have to literally learn and understand what the information is actually telling you? DOH!!
First??? As a pond angler I don’t use livescope lol 😂
This is so outrageous... Livescope gives you information on how individual fish are behaving and how they are reacting to your presentations. If you can't leave an inactive fish, you're a bad angler. Just move, and throw various presentations at the next fish. If you have 4 rods rigged with various presentations, and you just keep using a jerk bait, you're just bad.
The fact that you can't see fish hugging the bottom is also irrelevant. That problem also exists on 2D and downscan technology, in fact it's worse. You're on a lake with incomplete information, so be smart and understand the limitations of your equipment, use your head, and problem solve. That's the best part of fishing. Livescope doesn't "solve fishing", it just adds another piece of information into the game which in my opinion makes fishing more exciting. These aren't "problems with livescope" these are problems with the angler. This is like sticking to your favorite spot all day without a bite because you're too lazy to move.
Livescope makes you catch 5X the amount of fish without question. Be a conservative angler, and limit your catch, don't catch your limit, and make good releases with barbless hooks everyone! Let's keep the fisheries strong for future generations :)
My buddy just picked up an lvs32 for this Ice fishing season and she has been a deadly unit.. definitely helps you read the mood of the fish better than a flasher but I am not the biggest fan of using it solely on its own. I think the one two punch between the livescope and the flasher is a deadly combo on the ice especially when your hopping holes. Usually keep the scope in one or two main holes around the middle of the area im fishing and then if I scan around and see fish you can just walk over with the flasher and bang your on em! Plus in terms of deciphering the species of fish we’ve found it extremely easy to pick though them whether it be tulipee, crappie, walleye, or pike. We aren’t 100% accurate with the guesses but a hell of a big difference compared to just using my striker 5
The biggest problem with livescope: I spend half my time going "Wow look at that" and not actually fishing. I mean, I'm having a blast just looking around so thats great and all. I think the Crappie in my like appreciate more observation and less hook sets.
This is why we call this fishing, not catching.
I’ll take grandpas mystical ability to find fish over some gadget any day of the week.
It is magical indeed
The biggest problem with FFS is that it exists. We need more KVD's, not screen-gawking zombies, especially in professional derbies.
Hey, take it easy Randy! 😂
Lol
It has made fishing more fun for me so that made it worth it. I only use it on the lakes though. I leave all the electronics at home on river days and just enjoy re-connecting with nature. Best of both worlds.
Right on
I think a lot of the points you make apply to basic bass fishing. It's easy to get a bite on whatever you're tossing, not know what's biting it, but lock in on that lure and location for an hour or two, not catching any fish.
Also, I've never used livescope, but have used basic fishfinding sonar. It's a tool, and there's nothing wrong with using it. As you point out, it's when you crutch on it that it can get in your way. But if you combine the information from your sonar with your knowledge, you're guaranteed to catch more fish.
exactly that’s not some trade secret every fish is different and things change on a dime that’s common fishing knowledge you even see it on strike cams one fish will completely snub a lure and the one next to it will inhale it also fish will completely lose interest in a lure or turn off completely fishing is pivoting there’s no excuse for getting tunnel visioned unless that’s the only lure you have left lol
like last week i was above 30 feet of water and getting a lot of marks on about 15 feet.. so i put a bait down and it got hit by a 38'' zander after 5 seconds..so i was like damn i need to fish like this more.. did that for 2 hours.. caught nothing offcourse.. but still looking into getting livestope..i want to catch some of these suspending big fish.. i know they are out there..
Ive by now gotten livescope and caught a lot of big suspended fish.. i think its not comparable as a tool to any other fishfinder out there.. u just have to experience it.. finding big fish over deep water u coudlnt catch before has been a eye opener for me.
Love your vids man you have made me a better fisherman
To each their own...I am not one of those rabid anti-livescopers, but lots of us fish to get away from staring at screens all day so turning fishing into a freaking video game has no appeal. To those of you who like it, more power to you.
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Yes another video by Tyler. I've never used livescope before, and I've actually never even stepped foot on a bass boat but hope to someday.
lol, Spanky needs to slowwww down
By what multiple do you think livescope increases the count of fish you catch in a single day? I just started fishing in local tourneys in july this year and have found that the guys with livescope seem to always catch their limit and cull fish but I rarely do.
I'm sure some of it can be chalked up to inexperience but I'm curious if in a given day I typically catch 4-6 bass...would I expect that to turn into 6-8, 8-12, etc. because I can rule out areas with no fish and focus more-so on those that do? Welcome other users thoughts here as well!
Hmm, there really is no good answer to that. Sometimes I catch 1-3 more fish per day because of it, and sometimes (rarely), I only make a cast when I see one. Mostly suspended fish winter days. Those days years ago I would only catch 1-2 per day, now I’m catching a dozen or more. It really is hard to quantify though
More experience on bodies of water, and spring time events will even out the field. But if it’s winter, summer, or smallmouth, Livescope guys will always do better
@TylersReelFishing thanks so much for the reply! Quick follow up! Would you consider forward facing sonar essential for competing in tournaments nowadays?
Livescope helps you see what areas are fishy, see structure, see contours, help with boat positioning....
i just got a new bate caster!
Bigger picture might be fishing equity. This technology favors one group of anglers over another big time.
Your videos are next level.
Tyler, it's good to see you coming closer to the realization that technology like Live Scope is the detriment of the essence of fishing. As I've said before, it's about instinct and experience to catch fish. Now, I know where you stand with tech and fishing so I respect your stance. But thanks for making this video and being honest about Forward Facing Sonar.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, I know a guy who has 11 DDs on a swimbait because of livescope and a 7 on conventional
I watched this video again and noticed you run a Skeeter rig. I trust your honesty so here is a question. First let me say I love Skeeter boats. I have fished in one and drove it. I am retired and I don't fish tournaments. My wife and I just fish for bass for the fun of it. She likes to go slow around 3000 to 3500 rpms and enjoying the ride. She drives most of the time. Now I will get back to the question. Skeeter boats I hear porpose( not sure about that spelling) up to 4000rpms before they level out for a smooth ride. Could you reply on this video your thinking on this matter?
That totally depends on the model and year the hull. Some do, some don’t. I honestly think you need more of a deep v type boat if that’s the RPMs y’all like to chill at. Skeeter’s got those too! Feel free to email me about this if you have more questions. TylersReelFishing@gmail.com
Is your ducer on trolling motor shaft or on a pole nice vid
Shaft
Great breakdown. 👏🏼👏🏼
I get a kick out of the pro livescopers responses to folks that dont like livescope, people who don't like it, can't afford it., they dont understand electronics, and my favorite is people think livescope makes fish jump into the boat. I could write a check tomorrow and put it on my boat, I do understand electronics and I dont think livescope makes fish jump into the boat( dumbest response ever). I understand that it is a tool but just give credit where credit is due. Livescope makes a average fisherman think he's good and makes a good fisherman think he is great.
It can also make an elite fisherman even more elite. 99% of pro anglers would still catch good fish without it, this just makes the learning process faster
Great advice, thanks Tyler !
I’m pretty sure most people who hate on live scope are mostly just expressing the fact that they would also like a 50-60,000+ dollar bass boat with live scope, at least that’s what I would like to have 😭
AT2 helped us catch more fish this yr, but we learned things like there's always some type of fish in shad balls. I too had bass come from the bottom I didn't see before. So I'm still trying to ignore ffs in spots where they should be.
Good idea
So if you are anything but a bass fisherman this is perfect.
Average Joe?? Ha
NOT, great info Tyler as always
Hmmmm Idk first time I touched It was easy..but it's not for me..ancestors taught me to find fish without staring at the Xbox screen lol
Striped Bass or White Bass or Blue Gill are definitely not " trash fish" and are targeted by many anglers. All are better eating than Large Mouth Bass. A Striped Bass will give the fight of your life!
They should separate the pro tournaments into two categories: those that use electronics, and REAL anglers!!!
The REAL anglers would go to whatever tournament trail pays more… which will be the one sponsored by electronics manufacturers
@@TylersReelFishing Maybe so but like everything else in life, there are true lovers of a trade, a profession, or in this case a sport, and then there are the sell outs.
Would you call KVD a sellout since he uses live imaging?
@@TylersReelFishing What I am saying, is that just as there are Multi Million dollar boxing fights, and amateur fights, which are always better because they are hungry fighters not relying on the million dollar payout, there should be tournaments for anglers that do not rely on looking at a screen all day for direction, but rather use skill and instinct to find the fish. Just my, and many others, opinion. Don't get upset, you put out content, you need to expect mixed reactions.
@@hectorcamacho5565I agree that there is something to knowing what your doing without electronics, but there is a skill to being able to read the higher end fish finder and use different sonars to figure out as to where the fish are, just because you use Livescope, active target, mega live or any sonar doesn’t mean your less skilled, there’s a time and place for Livescope, in the spring I really never use mine, but in mid summer and mid winter it’s the difference from getting skunked and catching a giant, it’s just really useful for specific times of the year and different body’s of water, it’s a long shot to try and through the baby out with the bath water and say Livescope is cheating, and it should be banned, yes it gives anglers an advantage over others who don’t have it, but you still gotta catch the fish, it doesn’t do that for you. Hope this helps, God bless! Tight lines!
Its just another tool, that has a learning curve, that helps you find fish (Doesn't help you catch them) just like all the fishing electronics of the past. I'll get it when I can afford it. And I'll keep catching them without it.
same with 360, same with target lock, same with side scan, same with down imaging, same with 2D, same with spot lock, same with power poles, mapping etc...
Ehh, even I would argue that it does help you catch them, when they are in certain moods. Not to the extent that the haters like to claim, but it’s still there.
@@TylersReelFishing Fair enough. I don't have it so I wouldn't know
I'll watch it and save the video, but I won't need it until "I need it," lol half the time I see you guys using fish finders, I have no idea what the heck you're looking at in the first place. It would have to be something that like you had to do, and learn it over time. Right now I don't own a boat or even a kayak, so just walking around with it on the bank, doesn't sound like it would be that great of an idea. I've seen a few apps they have for phones, but I think they're just more or less data, not sonar. I could be wrong, but that's all I know.
Man, you are spot with this video. When they lock on the bottom, they are hard to see.
Livescope does not find fish it just tells you if fish are there. Good points about trash or noncatchable fish. I chase big redfish and tarpon easier to spot.
Hey Tyler, awesome vid. I definitely think livescope gives the angler a very niche advantage. Personally, I don’t enjoy watching pro anglers in tourneys use it but that is a personal preference. I think randy blauket said it best when he said it’s like a putter in gold that does all your put calculations for you and all you have to do is decide to putt. Maybe I’m wrong on that but that is kinda what it looks to me. But other than personal preference, there is one big thing I am not a fan of livescope for. I think if this tech is continued to be used it may have a negative effect on the big breeder stock in lakes and could potentially really affect genetics of bass to come. Historically the biggest fish in lakes could hide very effectively from anglers out deep. Now that is much harder with livescope and they could be abused and not have the survival rates tagt they used to. Especially fish brought up from really deep may have a hard time getting back down to the bottom if not an impossible time due to pressure. You see it in saltwater fishing all the time that a fish died due to an unhealthy release from being caught off bottom in really deep water. I am not sure how it all will play out and I hope to be proven wrong but that is my fear.
Randy is 1,000,000% wrong on that putter comparison, as with many comparisons he makes. I can respect his desire to not use it, but he makes some pretty outlandish claims in my opinion
man i love reading this. i unsubbed from him about a year ago when he was railing against drag of all things. c'mon! he's opposed the people using drag??? for real??? also he didn't name names but i felt he was talking about taku ito. everybody loves taku! that guy's an old crank
I blocked all Randy's channels from popping up on my account. Cant stand him
It may not be cheating, but it definitely is turning the game on easy mode.
Tell us u have never used it without telling us hotrod
@trumpking4874 have it. But please don't tell me your actually trying to argue that it's more difficult to fish using it.
The issue is livescope costs so much it forces you to have such high expectations from using it
True, but lots of things in life are that way. If you don’t learn to handle a fast sports car well, and you buy an expensive one, you’re gonna be disappointed at the handling, cause you just don’t know how to use it best yet
Crazy how people who got access to electronics biggest issues is fish hugging the bottom or too much informations they wouldn't have access to under what fishing used to be.
It's only a matter of short time before people adjust compare to what used to take decades from gaining local and seasonal knowledge.
Can't deny it's a much more powerful tool on par with what took decades for locals to learn about their favorite holes if not way better.
Right? Bunch of spoiled a'holes complaining about their livescope! It's comical! Oh woah is me, all this $30,000 worth of equipment is hindering me now. DOH! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Love the way you explain everything!
Thanks so much!
Can you do a video of your power pole trolling motor?
hah. feels like this is the fishing version of "watching a concert through your phone camera". missing out on the good stuff.
To me tournament fishermen should not be able to use sonar of any kind while in the tournament, I see it as cheating, if they are truely that good at catching bass they have no need of it while in the tournament. I don't own a boat, I fish from the bank using only what I know when fishing. Just my thoughts on the live scope and other sonar during tournaments.
The biggest problem for me with livescope: I live in the Chicago area and don't really want to find someone's body.
Haha true
So which do you think is better...new livescope or active target 2
Livescope plus. All day
We call'm PEE's, Performance Enhancing Electronics, tournament payouts should be less for using it.
did...did you just call stripers and hybrids trash fish?!? I'm offended by the notion! haha
They are in fact trash
Wipers fight 10× harder than a bucket mouth..how u figure they are trash ..
Stripers are true bass, largemouth are sunfish homie@@TylersReelFishing
Good video Tyler🤙
good info. One of the next videos I would love to hear your review on the power pole move trolling motor??
I’ll talk about it when I get my next boat
Excellent points. Been there, done that!
I did exactly what your talking about. I caught 2 fish and if I had been fishing like normal I would have done better. In my defense though I’ve just recently got FF. I am still learning how to use!
Never said it’s better than normal “blind” fishing all the time! But in certain situations, if you’re in the right areas and know how to use it well, Livescope anglers will blow “blind” anglers out of the water
Check out this course, I think it will vastly shorten your FFS learning curve: thebasstankacademy.com/link/hfERVl
@@TylersReelFishing I think I am getting the hang of it. It obviously isn’t guaranteed but I caught a couple off a spot I don’t think I would have ever caught without it. After that they just shut down but I know there was more there. I probably should have cycled threw a few more baits.
What is your setting
OK… everyone is entitled to their own opinion but these anti livecopers take it TOO far livescope is not ruining the sport for you. You can fish the bank and the old fashioned way all you want and can still catch fish. 🤦🏼♂️😂
Livescopes are beaming radiation directly into the water
You should try deeper START bobber sonar from shore. For bank fisherman. Might get a new sponsor. I've used mine 3 times now and love it. Specifically for depth and drop offs. Just a thought.
I’ve thought about it, I just rarely spend enough time at certain ponds to make it worth it.
Good points Tyler!
What’s better FFS or 360?
FFS and it’s not even close
not only does he have a 16inch screen but his hair is on point also LOL Great info
Haha thanks
Plot twist. Livescope if forcing giant bass to leave deep water collums and travel shallow? Hmm
I hope so!
Most big bass will just die off.. after being caught a few times.. over deep water.. there used to be so many more of them.. now even their last hideouts are not safe.. i dont see things improving for big fish..
@@larsvegas1505they're delusional
Maybe in the heat of the moment we should be like skywalker and use the force instead of the scope.
Tyler thanks for videos and all your tips & advice. Us average Joe's and family men it is hard to justify FFS, family first always. Reading some of your "members" comments, the one that I got a kick out of said it all, if you aren't scoping your just hoping. Sounds to me guys like him probably don't know the first thing about real bass fishing, seasonal patterns, time of day, water clarity, etc etc etc. Wonder if he ever gave thought about the last place he scoped that didn't show fish. JUST SAYING
Ive been fishing over 30 years, got ffs this spring.. improved all my pbs in a couple of sessions.. just saying.. Fishing the same water i did before.. i couldve never found/caught those fish without it. Like if a nice rod costs 400 bucks then spending 1k on a ducer isnt so crazy.
If you aren't scoping you're fishing, lmao
I don’t get the appeal of electronics but don’t care that people use them either. I have a canoe and rig a couple rod holders on it and hit unpressured waters where guys with big boats can’t go.
And I love doing stuff like that!
GPS is unfair. Triangular reckoning is real talent.
Lol
Tyler did you find out about the rabbit whole the hard way? I know I am only ran active target for 3 weeks now
Its going to go somewhere in tournament fishing guaranteed
so true I spend too much time looking at the screen LOL.
Josh Jones has said in podcast that we can tell the fish species, being able to read minor differences is a skill for sure but eventually more people will figure it out
He can tell*. The vast majority of us can’t, and never will
Libescope makes my brain feel weird.
Love your videos. Thank you
Spot on again livescope is not easy to use when it comes to bass fishing. Crappie fishing its easy but not bass fishing.
Nice and clear take on FFS.
Got an even better one coming soon
If you fish bass tournaments if you want to finish in the money you must have one!
Nowadays, especially
Some State game and fish: if you want to shoot a crossbow you need a doctor's note that says your shoulders are no good.
Also state game and fish: forward facing sonar? Everybody get one.
Great job!
Thrash fish go in the fryer 🤤
Great video. Thank you.
the problem with livescope is people are buying crazy technologies they could never hope to fully utilize and its very wasteful and harmful to our environment. do these people know the environment is where the fish live? or do they just not care?
all of these "issues" sound more like user error and not Livescope issues.
Its just another tool
Don’t go bud light on us and lose your base bro
Brother I release 2 videos a week, some pond focused, some kayak focused, some shallow fishing focused, some deep fishing focused, some with electronics, some without. If I put out a Livescope video once in a blue moon and you unsubscribe because of it, you wild 😂
@@TylersReelFishing dude, I won’t. Just tired of all the ffs bs
The State Fish and Game in all the states are watching ??
I totally agree.
None of these sound like real problems with the livescope. It sounds like more of an experience using the livescope. You could experience all the same problems with the regular sonar.
You are very correct. Welcome to UA-cam, gotta have a compelling title for anyone to watch
@@TylersReelFishingyeah, youtube is lame
Live scope is far too expensive for me.
Bass =green carp
Lol
Thank you sir!!
You gotta use side image more
Yep
You don’t see the fish on the bottom because your setting are wrong, to much backlight and gain in combination with the wrong color scheme you don’t see lighter spots on your screen.😂calls himself a pro
Never called myself a pro. I’ll look into that
Casting your luer 😂 and finding them doesn't help your point
The biggest problem with live scope is that it makes any fishing video unwatchably boring
Simply because of the angle of someone's head? So if I had the image projected into my sunglasses you'd be ok with it?
@@TylersReelFishing it's boring to watch someone stare at a screen
Nothing personal man. I love your videos. Just my opinion.
You only know those fish came off the bottom like that in your examples because you were using live scope lol and you got to see their behavior and you get the time you’re a little stroll bait just right and you catch them….. if you didn’t catch one of the first cast, without the live scope, you just would’ve moved on 😂…. like you said, live, scopes, not going anywhere you don’t need to defend it…. it helps you catch way more fish especially when they’re hard to catch….. and we don’t wanna watch pros all offshore, staring at screens we want them to have the knowledge and the experience and the skill…. not step out of their mothers basement and win tournaments!