They have 2 different styles. The rings are different. I can’t remember the pn but it was pricey if I recall $79…. A google search for the correct name with model and engine should bring it up. Or contact VW they can help get you the correct information. This car was a money pit and was sent to the junkyard
@@ProjectAnubisUSA Haha, ya. The MKIVs are definitely money pits. They're fun cars for people who like project cars and working on cars, but definitely not daily drivers unless your willing to sink a few grand into rebuilding literally just about everything. Anything plastic or rubber is complete trash in these cars. My car has been sitting 15 years and I just started redoing it as fun project car. So far I completely redid interior, all new suspension/steering components, brakes. Next on the list is timing chains/clutch, and then body work. It had a head rebuild 30k miles ago right before it got parked. Then it's onto all the little issues like door locks. I could see these being nightmare for people. There's a reason they're dirt cheap.
I can't remember exactly. I recall drilling a hole in the piece that was in the way of the bolt just to fit a long extension and a 12pt torx if I recall. Keep in mind this car was going to scrap if I couldn't find an easy fix, so aesthetics didn't matter at this point and it had a trash "mechanic" before that ruined the car to begin with.
It helped with the rattle but the knocking was the timing belt tensioner broke and the timing was off + smacking of the 1/4“- 1” broken pieces that fell below and became lodged. They have a few different versions of shift rods, the white spacers are key to matching. This car was too expensive to fix and not worth fixing since it would cost $1200 to fix it yourself with the required parts when taking off the head (gaskets, head bolts, timing chain kit, etc). This car was a salvaged title and numerous amounts of time went into fixing the small bs that occurred weekly.
Just curious, how many miles were on the engine? I have 110k on my MK4 GTI VR6 and thinking about pulling the timing chain cover to look at possibly replace the guide and tensioner on the upper timing chain as preventive maintenance. Thought I would wait to around 150-160k and pull the transmission for complete upper and lower chain and guide replacement.
Johnny Woo 80k only. It cost too much to replace everything (yourself) the head bolts are a 1 time use. Approximate cost: Bolts are $300 chain setup $300 gaskets $300.... the cars can be had on Craigslist for $1500-2500... a lot of the hoses and plastics were also deteriorating. There are a lot of common issues once you begin looking. Good luck if you decide to work on yours. 👍🏻
Wow, that car must have been driven hard. I have owned mine since new and have done all of the maintenance and the engine is strong. Take a look at FCPEuro or ECStunning for quality aftermarket parts to save some money. I you want genuine VW parts 1stvwparts.com you can save $$ over your local dealer for parts. I saw you can get the complete set of chains and guides for about $165 on FCPeuro. Same manufacturer I think as VW. I have read on some forums that VW changed some of the guide engineering, because some were breaking on models prior to 2000 on the vr6. Mine has the new design and have read that the lower guides can last possibly to 200k. The upper guide looks like the weak part on the older design, but yours is a 2002 so it should have the new design. Not looking forward in pulling the manual transmission to do the upper and lower and was thinking about just replacing the upper guide and hydraulic tensioner as just preventive maintenance, since the upper guide seems to be the weak point of the timing chain setup. I saw in your video your upper guide seems to be missing. It must have broke and had fallen inside the lower timing chain cover. I was kind of hoping I can get a few more miles on the timing chain and do both the clutch and timing chain at the same time since I have to pull the transmission. I have had pretty good luck with VWs and have had several past 300k and still running strong. People seem to have good or bad luck with them. Best or worst cars they have owned. Probably has a lot to do with preventive maintenance on the cars. Thanks for the reply, enjoyed the video.
Johnny Woo both the top and bottom guides broke and this car has been nothing but a money pit for me unfortunately, an every other weekend project as it ran and broke, ran and broke. I think this was a year transitioning car (automatic) because the oil filter was NOT the 2002+ NOR was the intake shift rod (new style works old wold rattle once wore); I had to take the oils filter back an match it up and found it to be a 2001 version. I found out recently If you’re in the market for a NEW car live near California (or not) the SELMA AUTOMALL is offering 200k and or 20 year warranty on 10 car manufacturers. I’m unsure on how long this will last but I believe they are keeping it for a while longer (they’ve extended it).
Sorry to hear you had problems, sounds like your in the VW is a POS camp. From what I have read on the forums, the lower timing chain and guides were longer wearing. I wonder if the the upper guide took out the lower, when it failed. The only problem I have had with mine except brakes ,tires, battery, has been a mass air flow sensor, door lock, both covered under warranty and a coolant temperature sensor that cost me only $10 bucks for the sensor and about 20 minutes of my time to replace it. Also had a voltage regulator go on the alternator and the part only cost me about $30. With 110k on the car it really has not cost me much. I do have to say I am going to sink some money into it now with hoses, suspension, brakes, and a water pump. I will have to take a look at the guides before sinking money into it, because I have a chain go and destroy an engine. Thanks for the heads up.
Johnny Woo I have a 2000 vr6 and I bought the car the guy said the motor was replaced with a vr6 motor with 145k and he said the chains have been done but I have rattling chains and idk if I should do both chains or just replace the upper guide and tensioner bolt
I don’t remember to be honest when I took the motor apart I took one look at the pistons and how jacked up the motor was and calculated the amount of money it would cost to fix it ($1000min) for timing chain, gaskets, head bolts (mandatory due to elongation of the bolts by design), etc. and junked it. The car wasn’t mine so I didn’t have much information on it as far as trim and engine besides vr6. I worked on it out of courtesy.
@@andymckenzie9289 the numbers were marked on the wires and area where they connect 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3 etc, not the firing order. It was a way for me to quickly put things back together without much thought or research.
@@andymckenzie9289 good luck 🍀, I dreaded this car. Every weekend for a few months I was working on something new that would mess up. It became a $$ hole and time consuming. Somebody at the junk yard probably got a lot of semi new pricey plastic parts for way cheaper than I paid 😮💨
How much did the new intake runner cost? And do you know what the new part # is? Thanks!
They have 2 different styles. The rings are different. I can’t remember the pn but it was pricey if I recall $79…. A google search for the correct name with model and engine should bring it up. Or contact VW they can help get you the correct information. This car was a money pit and was sent to the junkyard
@@ProjectAnubisUSA Haha, ya. The MKIVs are definitely money pits. They're fun cars for people who like project cars and working on cars, but definitely not daily drivers unless your willing to sink a few grand into rebuilding literally just about everything. Anything plastic or rubber is complete trash in these cars. My car has been sitting 15 years and I just started redoing it as fun project car. So far I completely redid interior, all new suspension/steering components, brakes. Next on the list is timing chains/clutch, and then body work. It had a head rebuild 30k miles ago right before it got parked. Then it's onto all the little issues like door locks. I could see these being nightmare for people. There's a reason they're dirt cheap.
Wow that VR was HURTING
How did u get to the Intake manifold bolts on bottom front
I can't remember exactly. I recall drilling a hole in the piece that was in the way of the bolt just to fit a long extension and a 12pt torx if I recall. Keep in mind this car was going to scrap if I couldn't find an easy fix, so aesthetics didn't matter at this point and it had a trash "mechanic" before that ruined the car to begin with.
@@ProjectAnubisUSA i had to remove front bumper
@@rodneyburke2202 the bumper on this one was broken and held on by zip ties 😳
@@ProjectAnubisUSA I just bought a vr6 jetta with 160k for 650$ it needs injections
Did the noise come back? I need to change mine from 1600RPM to about 2100RPM it's rattles I'm guessing that's when it's supposed to helped with torque
It helped with the rattle but the knocking was the timing belt tensioner broke and the timing was off + smacking of the 1/4“- 1” broken pieces that fell below and became lodged. They have a few different versions of shift rods, the white spacers are key to matching. This car was too expensive to fix and not worth fixing since it would cost $1200 to fix it yourself with the required parts when taking off the head (gaskets, head bolts, timing chain kit, etc). This car was a salvaged title and numerous amounts of time went into fixing the small bs that occurred weekly.
Just curious, how many miles were on the engine? I have 110k on my MK4 GTI VR6 and thinking about pulling the timing chain cover to look at possibly replace the guide and tensioner on the upper timing chain as preventive maintenance. Thought I would wait to around 150-160k and pull the transmission for complete upper and lower chain and guide replacement.
Johnny Woo 80k only. It cost too much to replace everything (yourself) the head bolts are a 1 time use. Approximate cost: Bolts are $300 chain setup $300 gaskets $300.... the cars can be had on Craigslist for $1500-2500... a lot of the hoses and plastics were also deteriorating. There are a lot of common issues once you begin looking. Good luck if you decide to work on yours. 👍🏻
Wow, that car must have been driven hard. I have owned mine since new and have done all of the maintenance and the engine is strong. Take a look at FCPEuro or ECStunning for quality aftermarket parts to save some money. I you want genuine VW parts 1stvwparts.com you can save $$ over your local dealer for parts. I saw you can get the complete set of chains and guides for about $165 on FCPeuro. Same manufacturer I think as VW. I have read on some forums that VW changed some of the guide engineering, because some were breaking on models prior to 2000 on the vr6. Mine has the new design and have read that the lower guides can last possibly to 200k. The upper guide looks like the weak part on the older design, but yours is a 2002 so it should have the new design. Not looking forward in pulling the manual transmission to do the upper and lower and was thinking about just replacing the upper guide and hydraulic tensioner as just preventive maintenance, since the upper guide seems to be the weak point of the timing chain setup. I saw in your video your upper guide seems to be missing. It must have broke and had fallen inside the lower timing chain cover. I was kind of hoping I can get a few more miles on the timing chain and do both the clutch and timing chain at the same time since I have to pull the transmission. I have had pretty good luck with VWs and have had several past 300k and still running strong. People seem to have good or bad luck with them. Best or worst cars they have owned. Probably has a lot to do with preventive maintenance on the cars. Thanks for the reply, enjoyed the video.
Johnny Woo both the top and bottom guides broke and this car has been nothing but a money pit for me unfortunately, an every other weekend project as it ran and broke, ran and broke. I think this was a year transitioning car (automatic) because the oil filter was NOT the 2002+ NOR was the intake shift rod (new style works old wold rattle once wore); I had to take the oils filter back an match it up and found it to be a 2001 version.
I found out recently If you’re in the market for a NEW car live near California (or not) the SELMA AUTOMALL is offering 200k and or 20 year warranty on 10 car manufacturers. I’m unsure on how long this will last but I believe they are keeping it for a while longer (they’ve extended it).
Sorry to hear you had problems, sounds like your in the VW is a POS camp. From what I have read on the forums, the lower timing chain and guides were longer wearing. I wonder if the the upper guide took out the lower, when it failed. The only problem I have had with mine except brakes ,tires, battery, has been a mass air flow sensor, door lock, both covered under warranty and a coolant temperature sensor that cost me only $10 bucks for the sensor and about 20 minutes of my time to replace it. Also had a voltage regulator go on the alternator and the part only cost me about $30. With 110k on the car it really has not cost me much. I do have to say I am going to sink some money into it now with hoses, suspension, brakes, and a water pump. I will have to take a look at the guides before sinking money into it, because I have a chain go and destroy an engine. Thanks for the heads up.
Johnny Woo I have a 2000 vr6 and I bought the car the guy said the motor was replaced with a vr6 motor with 145k and he said the chains have been done but I have rattling chains and idk if I should do both chains or just replace the upper guide and tensioner bolt
is that engine 24v
I don’t remember to be honest when I took the motor apart I took one look at the pistons and how jacked up the motor was and calculated the amount of money it would cost to fix it ($1000min) for timing chain, gaskets, head bolts (mandatory due to elongation of the bolts by design), etc. and junked it. The car wasn’t mine so I didn’t have much information on it as far as trim and engine besides vr6. I worked on it out of courtesy.
@@ProjectAnubisUSA well at least you gave me an answer. i thank you for your respond. aaaand hope you bought another great car
@@lassenielsen4340 That engine is a 12v. 24v do not have the engine cover that holds the ignition wires into place.
That's a 12v I have the same engine
I can't help but notice the sharpie with the wrong firing order on the manifold
I suppose it works if the wires weren't labeled though.
@@andymckenzie9289 the numbers were marked on the wires and area where they connect 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3 etc, not the firing order. It was a way for me to quickly put things back together without much thought or research.
@@ProjectAnubisUSA I kinda figured after commenting. Hell yeah man. Done a lot of work on mine.
@@andymckenzie9289 good luck 🍀, I dreaded this car. Every weekend for a few months I was working on something new that would mess up. It became a $$ hole and time consuming. Somebody at the junk yard probably got a lot of semi new pricey plastic parts for way cheaper than I paid 😮💨
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You don’t need to take the whole cover off I’ve done these like 5x! Fun fun