Will Nvidia Lock New Features To RTX 50-Series?
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Knowing Nvidia, yup they will, not to mention the cards will be even more expensive.
*The more you buy, the more you save.*
*- Jensen*
Yes sir! They love to do it and lower vram pls!
to be fair, that statement was directed at their AI related hardware, not the gaming hardware.
Quite simply Nvidia is making bank on the Datacenter, as rumors go, neither Intel nor AMD will deliver a counter to the current 4090 even, so Nvidia has little reason to push price-performance, especially not in the high-end.
@@qlum "as rumors go, neither Intel nor AMD will deliver a counter to the current 4090 even"
Which is pathetic 2+ years after release of the RTX 4090..
You sir are 100% right, just look at DLSS 3 where is it? Exclusive to 4000 cards only.
AI “something” requiring a 50 series
True!
AI, AI, AI!
How about AI reading the scene and adding improved lighting where it makes sense.
Imagine have better lighting on games that didnt design for it.
They don't seem to do anything useful with just like a parrot keeps repeating the same word over and over, hence the ridicule burst, they used it for copying people images and voices which is more bad than good. Yes they will get there eventually.
Haha good guess
Neural texture compression that they are working on.
Best way to avoid fear of missing out is to miss out on purpose. Have fun with your chatbots, ngreedia ;)
Of course they will!! They are worse than scalpers! After they saw how people were willing to buy overpriced cards from scalpers online, they decided to jump in and became scalpers themselves!
DLSS is better than everything tho.... Because it's hardware based AI, having exclusive features will always have better technology
@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd i agree but i do think it sucks, going from 3090 to 4090 was annoying, and honestly if it didnt fit better for my use case i wouldnt have done it
Who's fault is that? Like, technologically-sound people literally couldn't wait an year or two for buying a new GPU? They bought them up at exorbitant prices so Nvidia now considers those exorbitant prices normal. They just know that, even if people really know there isn't any shortage anymore and these cards are just highly overpriced, if they just do it for long enough (which apparently is only about 2-3 years for most people), people will just cave in and start considering this the new normal.
Im 99% sure
This time it will be real hardware lock by improving ray tracing performance by a lot and thats also why AMD isn't competing in high end market this gen
Of course they will. Why wouldn't they? They have a long history of doing that, why would they change now? (Sincerely, a bitter 30xx owner.)
Obviously Nvidia wants to. Obsolescence whether planned or imposed after the fact forces consumers to give them more revenue. But can Nvidia invent an excuse plausible enough (even if still a complete lie, like fake frames obviously is) that won’t draw too much blowback? That’s the real question.
Most of their fanboys will cape for them and actually even want them to. These are the people who buy every generation to feel special, and having “exclusive” features only fellow 50-series buyers have potentiates them tribal feels their sense of personal validation depends on.
But then there’s a much larger portion of gamers who mostly just follow the herd and are no more technically savvy than the average console gamer. If they can be duped wholesale Nvidia will go that path. If the frivolously superfluous expense is sufficiently prohibitive such that they stop to be educated by non-fanboys, such as we saw happen with the 4080 12GB rebranding, then Nvidia may have to be reasonable.
Is frame gen on dlss 3.5 still exclusive to 4000 series while fsr frame gen is available to all cards? Then yes Blackwell will have exclusive features unfortunately.
Yup, the greedy bastards!
I'm glad I held off on buying Nvidia when the 30 series came out. I bought a 4090 last year but I am sure Nvidia is going to lock me out of some feature soon.
@@cemsengul16 'I'm glad I didn't buy nvidia. I'm glad I bought nvidia.'
For frame gen, just use lossless scaling, it works really good 👍
New features? Nvidia declared they are no longer a graphics company. I guess y'all ignoring that.
Try reading more than clickbait headlines. Why don't you read the full quote. He said they are no longer exclusively a graphics company. Considering 3/4 of their profits are from AI/data center products that statement is a fact.
@@mojojojo6292 nowhere do I see 3/4 nor exclusive in the wording. I'm not saying they will stop making graphics cards. But these channels are going on as though these graphics cards will be coming out in their normal manner.
If there are BILLIONS to be made, Nvidia will ALWAYS be a computer graphics company.
@@Brent_P I'm not saying they will abandon it. I'm saying don't expect the same investment they have been putting into it, and especially since their competition no longer wants to compete.
@@0x8badbeef Are you going to conveniently ignore the fact that they are constantly evolving DLSS unlike AMD?
the 50 series will have a feature to generate VRam for free 😂
Honestly, that's one of the more likely "theories" I've heard. Nvidia loves to skimp on the stuff, and their last major innovation was a way to cheat and "generate more frames for free". Some sort of software hack for effectively increasing VRam seems plausible
You can count on it. They burned every 30 series owner with frame gen and now it's the 4090's time.
It's NVIDA, they're out here to make $$$, not be your friend. Of course they will make something series 5XXX exclusive...
Say there's going to be a 5050 and 5030?
5030 = 1660 super? I ll buy it.
😅 They should not make it like 250$ for a rtx 5030.
That would make the 5050 like 320$ 😢 and 5060 for like 420$ 🗿
Looks like I'm too poor to afford anything from nvidia.
What a weird place we're in where people are constantly complaining about new hardware having new hardware blocks which allow new features. This was definitely not a thing in the 2000's when every generation made massive hardware changes. You straight up could not run major visual features on generation old hardware whereas the differences between Nvidia's generations have been less abrupt. CPU improvements in that era were drastic as well, and full system upgrades every two years were not just common, they were necessary if you wanted to run new games at 40+ fps.
We're pretty lucky to be where we're at now. You can upgrade to newer hardware if you want to, but four year old GPUs like the 3080 are still providing great performance with the majority of the visual quality of current hardware, and people on Zen 3 CPUs from the same era still have a good couple years before they really need to upgrade.
Bunch of jokers who rely on their parents income whining about every new generation of GPUs where clear performance gains and features are introduced. Also the constant whining about wanting latest games to be "optimized" so they can run games in max settings 4k 60fps on their 6 year old GPU.
Nvidia can kiss my ass with their features. My 3090 will last especially with FSR3 Framegen. I'll upgrade when the 4090 is 800$ like I waited for the 3090 to be 800$.
Poor guy
but how much did you wait for the 3090 to drop to 800$ lol, but yeah besides the insane power consumption, it's a solid card. and if you don't care about their new features why not go to a 7900XTX next ?
"Nvidia can kiss my ass" but you do like the featureset they developed and went all-in on like a decade ago (which is why they now dominate this market while you're fumbling around with "frame gen at home" AMD garbage). Here's a truth bomb that might be a little hard to swallow for you, but i'll have a go anyway: the upscaling/FG featureset by Nvidia is god-tier, everyone knows it. Get a better job and get the flagship card every time. I also had a 3090, sold it and moved on to a 4090, never a shred of regret. Get a better job man, make something of yourself, instead of blaming Nvidia for doing proper business.
@@ZenzDeluxeShill
I have a laptop with a 4090, I purchased it because I didn't have room for a desktop, now I have more space, I'm definitely waiting for a 5090 PC. I need the power to play uevr with RT and nice fps.
AMD it's great for 1440 but if you want high frames at 4K in VR, Nvidia is the only way.
100% DLSS 4, FG2, and another new feature will be 50 series exclusive
Yes, yes they will. Gonna be some new Tensor cores for next gen FrameGen or DLSS or some shit.
I thought we all know by now how Nvidia operates, so why is this being question?
To rub it in because AMD threw in the towel at the high end. 😭 If Battlemage has better rt than rdna 4 then their plan will backfire like wildfire imo!
Because you will buy Nvidia anyway
We really don't. We know that they're greedy and sell overpriced products with too little VRAM, but the software support for existing hardware hasn't really been an issue. Frame Generation is an exception to the rule, and it hasn't hinted at some sort of new planned obsolescence strategy, but at Nvidia feeling like the optical flow accelerators are genuinely necessary to have. And to be fair, Frame Gen was never promised to earlier generations in the first place so nobody has really been ripped off here. Since Frame Gen, Nvidia has introduced Ray Reconstruction, RTX HDR, ChatRTX, G-Assist, etc. Distributed to the entire RTX lineup. Nvidia could've easily locked all of those features to 40-series GPUs in order to compel people to upgrade, and when asked for justification, simply lied about how "the AI hardware of prior generations is simply too weak for us to support without compromising on quality" or such, but they didn't. Nvidia could introduce software that only supports the newest and shiniest 50-series hardware, but judging by their past, odds are that they won't.
Before someone inevitably calls me an ngreedia fanboy, I have never owned any Nvidia hardware and am typing this on an AMD rig.
What if they introduce software feature that you can be unlock by buying extra afterwards, even better if you can buy a monthly subscription. Or they can just sell individual frame, i mean 2cents for every frame generated. Hire me Nvidia i am available.
Most likely😂😂
Ampere has OFA with access to the full NVOFA instruction set. While OFA was improved for Ada; something like a 3080 is still going to have more OFA capability than a 4060; and YET DLSS frame generation was still locked to Ada under the claim of "requires OFA" - Is there any reason this could be anything other than just a lie from nvidia?
"We havent had time to love with 4090" is a very fair sentement, but I fear nVidia is waiting for nobody.
Whether they do or not I'm happy with my 2070 Super's performance and I'm not upgrading anytime soon. I also want to see my long-term goal through of evaluating how well this system is going to age through the current console lifecycle since I built it just before the PS5 and Xbox Series X launched with comparable specs in mind.
I'm on a 2070 mobile and still happy with performance too. Don't buy brand new!
2070S = PS5, it's gonna be working fine until they release PS5 Pro later this year and games start matching the enhanced hardware, if you wanna upgrade, go for a 2080Ti / 3070 / 4060Ti to match the Pro
@@Shockload The whole idea of the PS5 Pro when the PS5 itself has barely been utilized to its full potential up to this point is still just absurd to me. It made sense with 8th gen given the gradual adoption of 4K displays and the fact that the base consoles weren't especially powerful to start with but with current-gen consoles being as expensive as they are and slow going with software support I don't think many players besides hardware enthusiasts with a lot of disposable income are gonna be in a big hurry to get a Pro model for this generation.
@@Shockload 2080 Ti will not match PS5 Pro, nor will RTX 3070...
@@chemergency yeah sure thing buddy you're still living in the past, you do realize almost every +2023 AAA actual next gen game that isn't cross gen is literally running 1080p or less to achieve 60FPS ? the 4yo hardware is weak and outdated af by this point, stop fooling yourself.
To answer this you need to ask another question: is NVIDIA willing to be greedy? I know, what a silly question... that's never happened before.
I think there's eventually going to be a DLSS feature that takes low detail geometry and transforms it to make it look photo-realistic, good for detailed liquid simulation and clouds. For 50 series? Prooooobably not. By 70? Definitely!
*Come now... Its NVIDIA... They have done this since PHYSX era in 2000's... Under the same CEO , jensen Huang... GSYNC, RT Features, etc are other examples. Not even a question*
I think the next feature will be an update to frame generation allowing 3x frame generation.
As for entirely new features I think frame generation up to the monitors hertz (async warp) is coming up for probably RTX 60
It didnt soind like it when there finishing statment was we are excited to bring this to more gamers. Also they said that one thing is coming in the future not the 5000 seriees.
Also seems like the only card worth waiting for is the 5080 and 5090 not the lower end lineup.
Rtx 5xxx is just an RTX 4xxx refresh.
Rtx 6xxx will be a new architecture and will add new features.
Rtx 7xxx will be an RTX 6xxx refresh.
Rtx 8xxx will be a new architecture and will add new features.
So on and so forth....
(NVIDIA) are not reducing prices and they cutting down specs to reintroduce some bs AI features and some DLSS and FG 2.0 or 3.0 and some other fake benchmarking crap that they tested themselves and other PC or UA-camrs might prove otherwise in their benchmarks. And that is if you have similar PC spec CPU RAM etc etc
"Will Nvidia Lock New Features To RTX 50-Series?" Where the F*** have you been the last three decades? Of course they will!! Whenever given the choice to something good for the consumer, nvidia always chooses the opposite.
Low input lag Frame Generation, Path Tracing at 1080p native 60fps for 5070 and at 30fps native for 5060.
Now that gaming is the side gig hustle for Nvidia, they could be cool about it and give gamers a bit of a reward with a cheap AND powerful generation. This wouldn't be that difficult, all they have to do is progress every tier like it should have progressed from the 3000 series to 4000 series, but didn't. And either holding prices or a slight increase that looks cheap compared to the upgrade to keep the 5090 down a bit. They get to look cool and gamers be happy
Knowing how notoriously greedy Nvidia has become, especially from the last 3 years or so with the 30 and 40 series cards, I would highly assume there will be something exclusive to the 50 series. They've done it already, most recently with the 40 series having Frame Generation and DLSS 3.0, and those with a 30, 20 or older series card having to use mods or other backdoor methods to use FG or anything to gain more performance. The 50 series will most likely exclusively have DLSS 4.0 and a better version of Frame Generation on top of other things regarding AI or something.
Answer: YES
moving on....
But I do think DLSS 4 will be part of 4000 series along with better frame gen.
a) Area ReSTIR is too slow on 40 series. b) Local LLMs c) Way higher Intersection performance
Yes. The answer is yes.
The projected profits for this year, will be 49 times higher than the initial projection for 2024.
Nvidia has no reason to be more customer friendly, as their profits are so high.
They can ask 1000 dollars for their low tier cards if they want at this point.
they better not I just purchased a 4080 super
Just like the 20 series to 30 series this year for the 50 series will be no new technology in my opinion. I’d say the 60 series will be a new technology. This is me coping because I got a 4080 super 😅
No they won’t…..Nvidia is a trusted brand that wouldn’t crap on their loyal customers…right ?
"I'll be interested to see what they've come up with. But I do think that introducing new features every generation.. its a tough call and you don't want to annoy people about the brand, right?" -Rich. How crazy is it innovation is a 'tough call' ... can you think of some other time people were literally asking for less progress? Its not 'everyone else needs to keep up' its 'those leading need to slow down'. When did this ever happen before?
1st rank RTX 5090 is the king of all graphics cards, all console, PS6.
I mean, what else is there? I can see iterations on current technology, but coming up with a new piece of tech entirely seems a little unlikely two generations in a row
rtx 5090 will have msrp of $3000 on release and they will sell for $10,000 on newegg and ebay.
I doubt they will this time around, as it just gives AMD more room to grow mindshare. Older Nvidia cards can utilize FSR just fine and FSR frame gen on every game with a driver mod. Any new locked features will keep making AMD more legitimate.
yet AMD sells close to zero cards and Nvidia sells like hot cakes so it's not like they are hurt by this, unfortunately.
@@Henrik_Holstcorrect, even with Nvidia being sooo anti consumer and AMD being less so with their GPUs, no one buys AMD, likely coz FSR is still awful, upscaling is very important for many gamers.
@@George-um2vc FSR isn't awful, even the most hardcore nVidia fanbois have to look at a screen with a magnifier glass to spot the differences. The reason why nVidia sells more cards is IMHO the 4090, aka people see that the 4090 is the fastest card so they buy the 4070 over the 7800xt, weird logic but that is how people operate.
Also the vast majority of pc buyers have no clue what FSR or DLSS is.
@@Henrik_Holst it’s soooo bad!
@@George-um2vc well I've used FSR3 on my 7900xtx and cannot see any issues what so ever. I would bet money that most wouldn't in a double blind test.
What about the new api from microsoft work graphs, i was watching a demo of it on a GDC conference like a month ago, and it seemed to lower memory required from 3.3 GB to 113 megabytes on a specific scene, as opposed to indirect execution, what do you guys think this means for existing and future hardware?
Work graphs are already supported on Ampere and Ada, so I don't think they'll be exclusive to 50 series.
Neural texture compression?
No sane person uses dlss for anything else than 4k and framegen unless you get more than 60 fps without it.
I'm just gonna chill for now with my 1650🙁
What the most demanding current and upcoming game that
The RTX 50 series will be a refresh of the RTX 40 series.
It's probably a better idea to go team red with my next card.
FSR3 mods actually enabling DLSS3 FG emulation and such.
Nvidia has reached their Apex without gaming now, no sense in supporting it with gaming.
Dlss 2.0 for 3000 series and 3.0 for 4000 sorry you are immediately wrong… I’ve only given you a minute but nah dude Nvidia is nothing but money hungry and yes, they are going to make certain things exclusive.
There probably won't be feature requiring the 50 series but I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to block features and make them exclusive to 50 series cards.
There's gonna be much improved Ray/Path tracing performance, and probably DLSS 4.0. I'd be surprised if they don't add textures to DLSS too.
All I know, is If the 70 series gets pushed up another 100$ this generation, I’m finding a new hobby. Lol
Yep, I think so ... unfortunatelly
Alex' prediction is probably the only educated guess that can be made, AI-enhancing textures since Jensen mentioned it last week. Let's hope they got the message this time and can make it work for all RTX cards.
❤️😋
There is this agreement among leakers and basically, people following Nvidia's research division and they all agree that the 50-series will mainly focus on improving the image quality. It may have some of that texture compression tech, which has been mentioned multiple times. Still, it mainly will enhance the quality of lighting, the quality of generated frames, the quality of upscaled image etc.
They can't anymore, because the installed base of GPUs. Only new feature will be DisplayPort 2.1
absofcknlootly
I know everyone has their own budgets and expectations, but which PC gamers actually need a 5090? I suppose they must be gaming at native 4k.
it's true the 5090 is a niche halo product. Although them 4k 240hz oleds would need such horsepower to match.
Remember that the 3090 was advertised for 8K 😆
4K high refresh rate needs 5090
High end PCVR is the only real application for these overkill cards.
I'm not buying current generation until they release the 4060 Chode edition
5 slot baby
Nvidia have accelerated AI by 10 years, instead of waiting 10 years you got superfast computing now. Hey, they deserve all the praise, without competition they can do whatever they want. But still waiting for Intel to grab the mid-end market.
Depends on the performance uplift... if there's very little reason to upgrade from one gen to another (which is most likely) they are going to try some proprietary nonsense to drive sales further for sure.
People who want tech to stagnate just so their purchases feel like they stay relevant longer are weird.
I'm still waiting for a 3090 to be affordable...😢
xx90 series GPUs were never made to be affordable and by the time they are affordable, they are no longer nowhere near mainstream and fall into low-end GPUs.
Why 3090 when you can get brand new 4070 ti super it perform better, cheaper, support latest features, and lower power consumption
isn't Blackwell the chip with 2 chip "glue" together? New "feature" will be a very expensive overkill GPU called RTX 5090X2 for the whales to buy. It will be able to run game at native 8k 120fps Raytracing ON.
They can lock rtx to making it more of a difference of nvidia vs other ray traced accelerators which they already are ethe only ones that can perform RT OD or path trace
framegen 2 with 2 generated frames and yes, exclusive for rtx 5000
maybe AI features just to keep the AI hype going
Frame Gen seem to have not worked to sell 40series cards
I dont expect a new feature like Frame Gen or so but I wouldnt be surprised if they released DLSS 4, where they further increased the image quality when you use the upscaling.
I absolutely hate that Nvidia and AMD both use DLSS/FSR as names for two completely techniques - Upscaling and Frame Generation. They should have named them something else, so normal ppl dont get confused.
when I talk about DLSS, I mean the upscaling. When I talk about Frame Generation, I say that. Nvidia/AMD should do the same. But yeah, whatever.
I think the next thing Nvidia wants to do is to widen the image quality gap between DLSS (upscaling!) and FSR (upscaling!) and since DLSS (upscaling!) is available on all RTX cards (20/30/40 series), Im sure a potential DLSS 4, with improved image quality when upscaling, wont be locked to the 50 series.
I could also see that they manage to further reduce latency when using Frame Generation, possibly through higher bandwith (GDDR7?) or another new thing on the hardwareside? FG is usable on 40 series but maybe they can make some changes to 50 series, so it works a bit better. That would technically be locked to 50 series in that case.
Whatever it is I'm sure AMD will find a way to give it to all of us
I'd be more surprised if they didn't
One hardware feature that would be useful, would be a dedicated RTX voice ASIC on the GPU package. The current implementation uses the same cores that would be active during gaming, thus you get a performance hit and in some game workloads, you can end up with audio artifacts, especially in edge cases where the GPU is especially unoptimized for a workload, for example Nvidia GPUs will freak out and chug if you take a game that does internal supersampling, and combine it with Nvidia DL-DSR (PS, it will render most games unplayable even if they are otherwise relatively easy to run, as frame rates will drop to the single digits), it will also cause issues with RTX voice. PS, current GPUs in general seem to not like 2 separate super sampling stages, and instead prefer 1 stage, thus no simple work around for games that limit you to 2X super sampling.
On the other hand, video that supports Nvidia's hardware decoding, will remain smooth in those same scenarios. This shows that the video decoding is truly using a dedicated ASIC.
They need to give RTX voice the same treatment.
I've never seen a single game that does super sampling that is not optional. It's a very demanding setting. Why would any company force it internally or why would you try and run 2 different super sampling methods together?
@mojojojo6292 Supersampling is optional, one issue is some games will limit how much Supersampling can be done. While in the past the limits were reasonable since the limits of the time period left high end cards running below 30FPS, though with hewer high end cards, the super sampling is easy to handle to a point where a user may want additional super sampling such as with DL-DSR. It is effectively the forcing of a completely impractical level of super sampling for modern games, and quite the niche use case.
Beyond that, no game would do super sampling be default, it still remains the most inefficient method for smoothing edges while maintaining sharpness.
Is this a question or fact?
I'll wait for 60 series at the very least.
Like John mentioned nvidia really need to consider the 4-5 slot GPU model so it can stack multiple layers of PCBs which in theory could allow this card to be shorter in length to actually fit in a full tower chassis. Lets be real how many slots would you use in a rig beside the ones taken by the GPU? Big fat 0! So why not improve the design and make the card use as many slots as it needs so that you can reduce the length of it to actually fit even in a godamn full tower
Absolutely ridiculous you gotta go out of your way to use a buzzsaw and cut the entire frame holding the harddrive bays in your FULL TOWER chassis just to fit a damn 4090 in there lol. My 3080 Ti barely fit in it there was like 1/2 an inch space left so I had to buzzsaw the whole metal frame holding the drive bays to accept the behemoth cards they release now! My full tower is a Thermaltake Chaser MK-I from 2004 and I never wanted to replace it with the boring plain boxes they have now. That tower was one of the best looking chassis design for its era and now most chassis towers have the plain boring design so I had no choice but buzsaw the drive bay metal frame to give me more room
Imagine putting a nearly 2k 400w+ gpu into a 20 year old shitty PC case with terrible airflow. And yes I had that case too. It was good for it's time but not now.
@@mojojojo6292 with 2 big ass fans on top, 1 at the back, and another 2 at the front (big stock fan + a mid size fan I added where the CD drive is) I never had any cooling issues at all.
100%
Yes
They’ll lock them to the 40 series and newer.
If performance will stagnate across the board they will need dlss trickery software to make up for the hardware shortfalls. 5000 series low and midrange will probably need all the dlss Nvidia will attempt to throw at it to sell.
AI NPCs?
I think dlss 4.0 should be 5000 series exclusive. Amd will make it free for everyone with fsr 4.0. This is the only way.
No
the reason DLSS is so much better than FSR, is that Nvidia has literal hardware for it with the Tensor cores.
something that works on all GPUs on a software/driver level, will never be as good as something with specific hardware for it. so you should stop dreaming and just stay realistic. either AMD does the same as Nvidia or their features will always be worse. Also on an Nvidia card you can use both anyways, DLSS and FSR. Considering how good DLSS upscaling is, its absolutely warranted for Nvidia to ask for more money than AMD. If you play at 4k, you can easily use DLSS PERFORMANCE and still have a crazy good picture quality, where you probably wont see any difference to native (with TAA i.e.) really. you certainly dont see any difference with DLSS quality and also balanced at 4k resolution.
You do see a difference with FSR. and this wont change to the same degree that DLSS changed since its first inception
I certainly respect AMDs open source approach but if AMD continues with that and only with that, they will ALWAYS stay behind Nvidia. IMO they will do that anyways bc Nvidia has so much more money to invest and they are already on such a good level. But AMD could at least come close to it, if they build/used the AI cores in the RX 7000 series for a FSR version that operates like DLSS
I would only get this so I can finally run 240 hz on my dual 4k Neo g9 57 inch monitor.
Al features mostly?
Yes.
what could the new tech be? DLSS 4.0?
What would that even be? Frame Conjuration?
I feel like dlss 4 could be a 'minor' addition, like an additional interpolated frame with frame generation. Instead of doing 2x it would do 3x
@@AnimeUniverseDE Agreed. Or an algorithmic improvement like 3.5
@@AnimeUniverseDE That would have extra issues and artifacts. They should focus on making 2x better first
rtx 2000 series dlss 1.X, rtx 3000 series dlss 2.X, rtx 4000 series dlss 3.x so... it's likely that Blackwell will have dlss 4.X exclusive feature set.
i thought about something like RT accelerators or cores wich could be able to process easilly raytracing without any perfomance hit but at the same time they were limited to some maximum amount of samples and bounces
Those were introduced with the rtx20 series and rx6000 series and of course arc has their rt cores as well. What's needed is about 20x times as many as we have now running with at least +20% better ipc at 4+ghz. Then you could do fpt at 1080p 30. Perhaps even as 1% lows if you can get a boost from the raster cores in the calculations needed.
I predict neural texture compression, so they can keep on using 8gb and 12gb of vram.
This actually sunfs like A get Ida ¦@@dagnisnierlins188
Nvidia only makes features to crush competition, and most of those features disappear over time. Only three features I see staying are dlss, ray tracing for all older titles, and frame generation. All others were stupid and no longer exist. They can give people new features, but if they devs stop using it, then it's only good for that one game. I hate nvidia anti consumer practices. I would rather have amd be slower to make stuff if it means everyone can enjoy it. Ngreedia.
Hilarious that you think AMD cares about you or about any gamer. Hope the taste of that corporate boot makes the weaker card worth it.
@40Sec Explain why amd makes technology for all cards intel and nvidia? I appreciate the company. it doesn't mean I am boot licker. Grow a brain cell.
@@40Sec Ew you stink
@@raven80wolfx2 - I'm sorry you weren't smart enough to overcome their PR. You're definitely their target audience.
AMD doesn't make technology for all cards (they weren't even the ones who originally designed FSR). They released an inferior version of DLSS that runs on the older hardware blocks that cards have already had for years. If they had the capacity to have proper hardware blocks to run a real DLSS competitor, it would also have been limited to the specific cards that could run it.
I hope you take that information in and grow out of the bootlicker stage. None of these companies care about you, and if you bother to look, you'll see AMD is as anti-consumer as anyone else and has been for decades.
a big hardware feature id like to see that wouldnt be DLSS related would be hardware acceleration for BVH build / rebuild, currently that is done on either the CPU or the shaders, but such a thing is accelerated by imagination technologies so we know its possible. In games that have a rich BVH but a low ray count such as Spiderman or Resident Evil 8. the BVH build time can represent just as much time as the tracing of rays, so there is tons of room for improvement there. the burden of BVH build also represents one of the biggest barriers between NO raytracing and any raytracing as once you've already committed to maintaining the BVH adding additional RT effects beyond the first is not nearly as burdensome. this has the potential to significantly close the gap between RT ON and RT OFF performance in games especially those that are only using it for the basics like reflections or shadows.
Hopefully they will 🙏
It’s so sad when those of use who a pioneering enough to live on the bleeding edge are needlessly held back by the common pc gaming peasants
nvidia are no longer for gamers, they make A.I chips that have cuba cores in them
communist cores eh
@@hmello3250 glad someone got the joke
collectivists cores 😂.
I'd like to see them drop the use of Molex pins for PCIe power delivery. There's plenty of alternatives, with pogo pins probably being the most ideal.
"with pogo pins probably being the most ideal"
Don't they jump around a lot though.........................
@@lon3wolf642 Only when they're excited.
My 2060 super died, and I had to buy a new one. I just boght a 4060 ti....
bad choice
@@abraham9301 why
@@abraham9301 Why? What should've I have gotten instead?? I had literally no choice but to buy a replacement, might as well buy one that was equivalent in the entrance, mid and top level of cards. It gives me over 3x fps on a lot of games.
16gb or 8gb vram?
@@zxcv404 Yeah, 16 ram 8 vram, O couldn't afford a higher vram card, and can't buy more ram now.
I hope they do...New GPUs come every 2 years so you need bonus reasons to upgrade and it also makes the buyers feel better knowing they have exclusive technologies available to them.
Apparently 50 series will be dual GPU. 1 RTX GPU will render the game, the other will play it. You can literally plug these puppies in and just leave them to play games on their own! Genius!
I hope it also can stream them and make funny comments, so watching it will be fun for me.