ROTFL. But, yeah, about time they start putting SODIMM slots on GPUs. I think it will be AMD who clues into that one because they are budget oriented. You buy your GPU now with 8GB and then progressively upgrade by adding GDDR on SODIMM boards until you get to 32GB and then when you need more, the core will probably be obsolete by that point. You'll get a new GPU with 32GB and progressively upgrade to 128GB. And by that point, WWIII will have happened and the only gaming you'll be doing is playing Red Menace on your RobCo Pip Boy. Back when I built my first PC in 1995, you could upgrade the RAM on your video card. I'm planning to get into VRAM modding GPUs because there are a lot of great used GPUs out there that just simply don't have enough VRAM. Like the 3070, for example. But the current way of doing it is difficult (impossible for the majority of people) because you have to have SMT rework skills and also coding skills in some cases because a lot of GPUs will need a custom BIOS if you increase VRAM.
There is still competition up to the RTX 5080 or so. I think that if the RTX 5080 is around 10% faster than the 4090 that the RTX 4090 used would be at least some competition at that level. The RTX 5090 will also have competition from the lower priced cards. Although they won't be in the same tier of performance, they are alternatives that are cheaper. Let's be real here, nobody needs RTX 5090 levels of performance for gaming. At least not yet. And also, the 90 class cards usually have no competition in terms of similar performing cards anyway. The RX 6900 XT was close to the 3090, but the 7900 xtx wasn't so close to the 4090.
@@Pandemonium088 sadly, they have very good products in the entry to mid range... like that sweet spot between 200 to 500 AMD offers way better products... its sad, people buy names they dont even read whay they buy. 50,60 nvidia classes cant do proper RT or anything close to it but they still buy that CACA instead of 6650xts 6800xts 7700xts.. it is what it is.
People keep paying this price. So who is to blame? But of course make so many people love games, and then monopolise HW and increasing prices x2 and more is brutal. AMD is better, but not that much.
@@stanislavkimov2779 How is amd better can't even compete their prices are almost the same ray tracing in amd sucks an fsr sucks too how the fuck is better if amd give me a better gpu in every possible way for the same price i will say amd is better but rigth now amd sucks like always
@@sovo1212 for sure. Art style and atmosphere and other details can carry a game. I remember how PS3/XBox360 era games were great. Looked like a peak already to me. But nowadays there are no games like Far Cry 3. They are much worse. And pushing visual fidelity for details and things like ray tracing with extremely heavy engines (that work blurry and stuttery on consoles) is just do dumb.
why are you so concerned about vram? 16gb is absolutely enough for right now, and will be enough for the next 4 years (until PS6 releases). understandable that more is better for futurproofing, but in 4 years 5080 will be a mediocre gpu anyway, so it is fake futureproofing imo.
I'm keeping my EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming. For one, I've never had an Nvidia card that wasn't EVGA and two, my 3080 Ti is still enough for my needs.
@@exoticspeedefy7916we've reached a point in technology where I'm surprised anyone buys any of it. I am almost certain, I can use a 7800X3D and 3080(LHR) 12GB for the rest of my life with the only temptation to "upgrade" is when someone has the same power "updated" at an extremely lower wattage, and "super cheap"....
Just bad times for gaming in general, dont forget were about to get games requiring you to upscale and use framegen to get the acceptable fake framerates lol
Naaah. They won't.. They have special stuff for AI they want to shove with a huge price tag. People literally farmed 4090s in servers for AI cloud business. It was that good. Nvidia won't really let that happen again with consumer cards. Most 4090 sales were not to gamers... 5090 ti 48gb/36gb 3.5K usd with good AI uplift from 4090 is all there is
@@JefftheLandShark001 Nvidia know well in advance what they are planning to price their cards. We are putting 2 and 2 together is all. They wont stumble across our random comments and go '' Hey!! thats a damn good idea! 2k it is!'' lol
If Nvidia can somehow keep the 5080 to $999 Ill upgrade my 3080. I could sell my 3080 and a few other items I have lying around and effectively upgrade for $500.
@@grimdicer152 It's kinda baffling how so far behind AMD is these days though. They are so far ahead in the console space yet in the PC space it's like they are barely even the poor mans choice anymore
The 4090 & 5080 are PS6 level gpu's, you want the latest tech now then you pay the premium, ps5 pro is good value but still falls way short of what was available from nvidia 4 years ago.
Uses the same CPU as the ps5, bottlenecking the upgraded GPU hard. If they had went with zen3 CPU, it would have really been able to shine on performance. PC gaming uses like ps7 level hardware.
If people think ps5pro is a scam by Sony, because they're taking a profit on a console (shocking I know), wait until they find out how much it costs Nvidia to actually make these cards, and how much profit they make on a single GPU.
@@ColonelRPG no they do not make 60% on cards with R&D included. They also do not announce profit margins per SKU to investors. I invested in Nvidia 12 years ago when the GTX680 first launched, I haven't once had any information or report about SKU profit margins. Sounds like you just made that fact and percentage up.
For the first time since I can remember, I'm actually happy with what I currently have 😅 4090 FE + 7800X3D is going to last another 2-3 years with no problems.
The 4090 was quiet an investment. Upon filling in the steam survey for cpu specs, they reveal all user rigs and the number of steam users that own one is less than 0.5%
Which is crap because we don't actually know the perf. HWB are doing a linear comparison with no evidence based on die size. We do know the 4080 is broadly about 42% faster than the 3080 though. The 4090 is 30% faster again than the 4080. IF the 5080 is 10% faster than the 4090. We're again looking at 40% or so perf increase vis a vie the 4080. HWBs major issue is perf per dollar. That's a different thing.
I feel like the 3080 was one of the best values in terms of price-to-performance. $700 for a 4K capable card felt like the old days when the very best GPU was only $450-500.
With AMD not even targeting the high end GPU market, Nvidia will have no reason to price these new top end cards any cheaper than last generation. Unless there will be a 8800XT that costs $600 and performs on par with a 5080 at least in pure rasterization, we cant expect much.
@@puffyips Yep, it would mean around a 70% performance uplift over the 7800XT. Which just simply isn't going to happen. Even if by some Godly miracle it managed those heights, I very highly doubt AMD would then only charge $600 for it. A 7900XTX has a MSRP of $900 and that only has 35% uplift over the 7800XT, never mind 70%. When it comes to the 8800XT, in the very best scenerio you are talking about 10% more performance over the 4080, not 10% over the 4090.
It really depends on how much AI demand there is for them. Nvidia is finally starting to have competitors emerge in the AI space. As soon as demand drops for their cards they'll have no choice but to drop prices as less than probably 1% of gamers are willing to pay $2K+ for a graphics card.
I have a 2070 and still no reason to upgrade. Plays every game I throw at it in high detail, high framerate. There is no reason to the average gamer to upgrade each gen like we did in the 90s and 00s.
Yep. The reality is, the base consoles are at about that performance anyway, and therefore, every game between now and the next 5 years will be expected to run on those things, and by extension, your PC. I have an RTX 2060 that is holding up extremely well, it's the 3600 that will bottleneck first if anything given consoles will always have the optimisation edge there.
Lol, I overclocked the piss out of my 486 and used it until 1998. Got more than double the performance of the stock 486 DX2-66. Whoever said Quake doesn't run well on a 486 obviously never heard of overclocking. When I got a P4 1.6 in 2001, I overclocked the piss out of that too. Doubled performance again by clocking it to more than 2.5GHz. These days, I overclock a CPU and get a 10% gain if I am really lucky.
So few people actually get these highest tier of cards, way more people care about the fact that nvidia sells cards for $400 with 8gb of vram and the price to performance is crap compared to years ago. We really don't care that the 5090 is whatever faster when its going to be more than a used car.
still rocking my four year old overpriced then "RTX 3090". with all these new GPU price tag. keeping mine till it burns. is it a criminal to say, it's been worth every penny?!
All just easy to guess rasterization performance increases. But doesn't even give us a slight idea of how much better ray tracing and even DLSS frame gen/ A.I upscaling is with the next cards.
I'd like to know if they're still going to use that stupid power connector, in that stupid place that doesn't physically fit in a lot of PC cases, on top of the melting/fire issues. I had to move my PC to a different case to install the 4090.
5:48 "the competition is inevitably going to catch up at some point...." From where? AMD recently announced that they'll no longer be competing in the high end GPU market. So that leaves Intel, and we all know where they're at. Where is this competition going to come from?
I've been rolling with a 1080TI for 7+ years now, and have no idea what my next GPU should be. I can afford a 5090, no problem -- but whether I should buy one or not is a different story; I'm surely not as desperate for the GPU as Nvidia is for my money.
Same here. It's seen VR and just recently an upgrade to 1440p ultrawide. It's definitely struggling and I want an upgrade but the reason I've waited so long is because paying $800 for +5gb of VRAM and maybe x2 performance is just not appealing to me after this many generations.
Price everyone out of the market so they can eventually get us all on a extremely overpriced Nvidia monthly sub for cloud gaming. Sounds like a very doomer future but very likely that's what they would love.
As an owner of a 3080ti FE, that I paid 1k for, I'm watching the 50 series release with interest, but I was unhappy at the price I paid and won't pay more for another card. I also can't see me going below an xx80 level card, so unless they can do a 5080 at 1k or less, I'll likely wait another generation. Moving from 12gb to 16gb also isn't a very compelling draw for me.
It needs to be 90 percent better for that price. Nothing has been a big deal since the 1080ti as far as performance jumps. Most of the time they’re only giving us 10-15% jumps in performance, yet jumping up the price by double or triple. In the long run thats not going to work out for them or the consumer.
@@juanjosealmanzar6330 Even 6GB of Nvidia vram are fine, when you are not a slave to max settings and 4k. Btw there are not many games worth playing which needs more than 8GB of Vram... Alan Wake 2? More of a benchmark, than a good game. Console ports? After a few patches, they fix optimization or just not use everything on max... Callisto? No thanks I prefer to replay oryginal Dead sapce 2, than to waste money on it. Horizon Forbidden West - I may try it, but Zero Dawn did not made me want more of it and 8GB is fine up to 1440p. Resident Evil Remakes? Just change settings a bit or just play without RT, which does not make much of a difference there... 8GB cards are to weak for CP2077 with PT, so it is not a problem of Vram for them.
Dunno about the 4090 power usage being less than 400W, mine regularly pushes into the low 500s and is pretty consistently 450 or so. Depends on what Vbios you're using. It's autumn, it's warming my room right now. The prices are going to be pretty crazy, but the 5090 sounds absolutely phenomenal in terms of performance.
We live in an era where mostly Nvida will "nickel and dime" with the GPU performance. They could easily release a 5080 with 24gb of Vram. But, Nvidia knows that people will just buy the 5080ti version which would end up with 24gb Vram.
What they need to do is reset these prices and bring then 5080 price back to 500 dollars that’s how much the top card should cost, this is ridiculous when you can buy a whole console (and yes I know lower spec) for that price but you have to pay over 1000 for just a graphics card Edit : alright guess it’s just me everyone says the prices are fair 🤷🏻♂️ that’s why they’ll keep going up
Unless the price is right, I just really don't care. Any chance of the 5080 potentially becoming the next 1080/1080 ti implies that there would actually be competition and a reason for nvidia to charge what's reasonable. That's not going to happen.
"nobody ever had a problem with 4090 pricing" until the connectors melted. or you lived in Europe and paid 40% premium just because it's not the states.
If the 5080 is 10% better performance than 4090 the price won’t be less than $1400 imo also if 5090 is 40% or more performance boost over 4090 then the price I think will be minimum $2000 for cheapest 5090 model. Also the Titan card will be at least $2500 lol
5080 will probably be 1000$. It's 16gb after all. 5090 on the other hand will have a huge die and a lot of memory chips if it really has 32gb. It'll be at least 2000$ but I wouldn't be surprised of it was 2500.
@@TheBlackIdentety can you tell me a game that NEEDS more than 16gb vram to run? I get 24gb for future-proofing but a game like black myth wukong uses no more than 10gb without full ray-tracing on
The jump from the 3090 -> 4080 was bigger, but remember that the 3090 wasn’t as big of an improvement over the 3080 as the 4090 is over the 4080. The 4090 was super overkill
In a few years there still will be a 5080 ti or 5080 ti super or 5080 24gb. Because gap too big between 5080 and 5090. Waiting Amd gpu. I hope 8900xtx will be like at least like 5080
AMD said recently that they are not planning any consumer GPUs that compete on the highest end (RTX 5090 and 5080) sadly - so it appears there will likely be no competition this generation on the halo-product end. Which yet again, is frustrating as a consumer. 😑
I mean, no reason to make it faster when consoles are at the end of their cycle. Developers make games for PS5, then on PC we get to run them at slightly higher quality and resolution.
Its crazy how long the 980 Ti lasted especially the Super OC Gigabyte G1 gaming 980 Ti. That card could easily plough through just about any 1080 game for its time at max setting and get a rock solid 60 fps like Witcher 3
@@Eliilizz108 not only that 1440p DLSS 7.1 quality is 960p and the image looks great, on balance it's 835p and it still looks better than on a native 1080p screen. 1080p Gaming looks only good on a 24inch screen, everything above that screen size, makes it look horrible.
1080p is not acceptable. 1440p is annoying . 4k is okay-ish but still eye cancer, especially at 32 inch . 5k at 27 inch is where the fun starts and 8k is the ideal resolution at 32 inch . 280 ppi looks freaking unbelievable. Games do look real and it feel like you are looking though a window
I have a RTX 4080 myself - it's a 4K beast, what are you talking about? lol. Not every game needs every toggle maxed... even RTX 4090 can't comfortably push _every game_ maxed at native 4K. Take advantage of DLSS Quality and toggle a few settings down to High (like volumetrics or Ray tracing) and it'll handle 4K gaming for years to come.
Also, I feel ya man about the 1440p. I wanted a OLED monitor, but 4K OLEDs (even TVs) are outta my price range. So I bought a 'cheap' (still put me in debt) 1440p OLED monitor for $600. RTX 4080 on a 1440p monitor feels like dropping a V8 to a Volkswagen Beatle. lol. You and I will be fine skipping the next generation.
why should prices go down, or even be the same as last gen here? whats the reason for nvidia to do so, except for increasing how their customers view the company with lower prices, i cant find any reason for them to do so.
future games recommended spec : "RTX 4070 Super, the game is expected to run at 1080p 30fps (with Frame Generation enabled) under the Medium graphics setting."
If only DLSS frame gen was on Tensor RTX 3000 cards. Then again, it would mean a lot less sales for 4000, 5000, or even 6000 cards if that came through
@@defnotatroll not necesarily it's more about priority spending and cutting out other things. Its kinda like buying an exotic car to live in it lol but thats the most extreme example I can think of
10% better with a 33% power consumption increase? Dogsjit.. Also, having something in your pc that pulls 600 watts on full load, you better have a fire extinguisher next to your PC.
No one is upgrading from a 4090 to a 5080. If anything, we'd sell the 4090 and buy the 5090 with the difference. Normally ppl wait a gen or two. Shoot, i had a 1060 before my 4090.
The problem with AI performance enhancements is that, at any point, Nvidia could turn off that functionality and force you to buy a new card because its performance suddenly “suffers due to more demanding games”
Price will be more important because of the port shutdown, if that impacts supply here in the US. One of the biggest issues is people buying these gaming cards to do professional work. A business can write off at least a some of the expense so someone might just get the 4090/5090 or even the 4080/5080 for that. They don’t care as much about price and Nvidia knows this.
COuld care less personally. Rocking a 4070 ti with a beast OC. Nothing I can't play at ultra 1440p, and many at 4k ultra, or 4k ultra dlss quality. There just aren't any good games out. Everything is "eh"
It's a great card but i really wish it was 20gb rather than 16gb as the difference between a 4090 and a 4080 is much larger although the price difference is much larger as well. There are enough room for a new card. I think the 4080 could've been so powerful and nvidia intentionally put some limitations on the memory speed, width etc to keep it in check against the 4090
@CRF250R1521 which UE5 games in specific does your 4080 struggle with? I think personally if you overclock and increase your power limit, you won't have much of an issue. On my 4080 Super overclocked to 2900/12800 (being a tad modest compared to most high overclocks), Wukong at 4k DLSS Balanced (and above) with everything on Cinematic and Full RT Ultra High is the struggle point. I think we, on the high end, are just accustomed to maxing everything out and sailing ship. If we optimize just a little, a 4080 will definitely go a long way. It could even hold us over until the 60 Series in another 2 years or so.
I am not sure where they are getting that 10% bump of performance between the 5080 and the 4090, on paper the 5080 is a much weaker card. I would say perhaps in DLSS performance but the 5080 has even less Tensor cores and RT cores than the 4090. The fact they are ceasing production of the 4090, it should give you an idea that they don't want the 4090 to cast a shadow on the 5080. I believe the 4090 will live in between the 5090 and the 5080 for quite some time.
Im building my first gaming rig. I'm just going to wait for the 5080 instead of spending north of $2K on a 4090. If I already had a 4090 I would not upgrade to the 5080. For those who currently have a 4090, the 5090 is pretty much your only sensible option if you want to upgrade.
@@IrrationalCharm always the same argument. you spend a little more to get a PC that can play every game in existence and you play it at definitive resolutions and framerates without needing a "pro patch". you guys are so boring.
@@Optim121 even after 4 years. You still can’t beat a PS5 with the same budget. Additionally, PC still sucks as a living room console. Because you’re forced to use mouse and keyboard. And also you have to end up troubleshooting eventually. And most people can’t be bothered to have to look up what driver they are missing. And also consoles are considerably more convenient to just pause a game, leave it on sleep and continue the next day, only needing to wait 10 seconds to boot up. PC, I wouldn’t really do that, and nobody does that, because it’s not convenient.
Ha now you why the extra $200 for a GPU and SSD upgrade isn't so bad? good because now you know how bad the technology industry is with the price to performance ratio
Price: £1500. VRAM sold separately.
ROTFL. But, yeah, about time they start putting SODIMM slots on GPUs. I think it will be AMD who clues into that one because they are budget oriented. You buy your GPU now with 8GB and then progressively upgrade by adding GDDR on SODIMM boards until you get to 32GB and then when you need more, the core will probably be obsolete by that point. You'll get a new GPU with 32GB and progressively upgrade to 128GB. And by that point, WWIII will have happened and the only gaming you'll be doing is playing Red Menace on your RobCo Pip Boy.
Back when I built my first PC in 1995, you could upgrade the RAM on your video card.
I'm planning to get into VRAM modding GPUs because there are a lot of great used GPUs out there that just simply don't have enough VRAM. Like the 3070, for example. But the current way of doing it is difficult (impossible for the majority of people) because you have to have SMT rework skills and also coding skills in some cases because a lot of GPUs will need a custom BIOS if you increase VRAM.
Wish we could add own vram slap 4gb dims on the GPU
ggdr6 is only like $30 for every 8 Gigs, that’s actually a great deal 😂
Jensen Huang: _"Introducing RTX 5080: 10% More Powerful than RTX 4090... and only %10 more expensive than RTX 4090!"_
Remember guys the more you spend the more you save
@@lilpain1997 less you spend more you get screwed
Leather jackets are NOT cheap FYI.
Quit whining so much
@@veilmontTV Quit simping for a trillion dollar company so much
Whispers to my RTX 3080: "How does another 3 years with me sound, buddy?"
I mean, realistically, is there anything even struggling to run on a 3080? My 6700xt does pretty well and that's a solid tier below it lol.
Mine still holding it’s own in 1440p and 4k at high settings with the help of dlss in some games lol
My 3060 runs everything i want at max 1080p, its staying with me for a WHILE
@@Torso6131 VR enters the chat.
@@Torso6131, yes, if you need more than 1080p and 60fps
finally i will be able to buy the 1060
Lol
rx580s are like , 60-80 usd and there better?
Finally i can buy a gt 410!!!!!!!!!
Bro is 3rd world country type broke
😂
Nvidia have zero reason to lower prices they don't have any competitors! If fact they'll probably up the price!
And the fans for the gpu will be sold seperately!
well, if nobody can afford it, nobody will buy it.
@@Lazarus573Yet nobody is buying AMD 😅
There is still competition up to the RTX 5080 or so. I think that if the RTX 5080 is around 10% faster than the 4090 that the RTX 4090 used would be at least some competition at that level. The RTX 5090 will also have competition from the lower priced cards. Although they won't be in the same tier of performance, they are alternatives that are cheaper. Let's be real here, nobody needs RTX 5090 levels of performance for gaming. At least not yet. And also, the 90 class cards usually have no competition in terms of similar performing cards anyway. The RX 6900 XT was close to the 3090, but the 7900 xtx wasn't so close to the 4090.
@@Pandemonium088 sadly, they have very good products in the entry to mid range... like that sweet spot between 200 to 500 AMD offers way better products... its sad, people buy names they dont even read whay they buy. 50,60 nvidia classes cant do proper RT or anything close to it but they still buy that CACA instead of 6650xts 6800xts 7700xts.. it is what it is.
Nvidia never fail to impress on how high they increase the price
People keep paying this price. So who is to blame?
But of course make so many people love games, and then monopolise HW and increasing prices x2 and more is brutal.
AMD is better, but not that much.
@@stanislavkimov2779 How is amd better can't even compete their prices are almost the same ray tracing in amd sucks an fsr sucks too how the fuck is better if amd give me a better gpu in every possible way for the same price i will say amd is better but rigth now amd sucks like always
Well at least they keep pushing the envelope on the high end, amd can't even compete anymore. I care more about price performance, and more vram.
@@stanislavkimov2779 don't forget lazy developers making games with shitty optimization, and in turn forcing people to buy more expensive GPUs.
@@sovo1212 for sure. Art style and atmosphere and other details can carry a game. I remember how PS3/XBox360 era games were great. Looked like a peak already to me.
But nowadays there are no games like Far Cry 3. They are much worse.
And pushing visual fidelity for details and things like ray tracing with extremely heavy engines (that work blurry and stuttery on consoles) is just do dumb.
But with only 16GB of VRAM and likely a minimum of $1,200... hard pass. Don't care if is 10% faster, it should have no less than 20GB of VRAM.
For future-proofing I agree but they’ll just drop 5080 super with 24gb for $100 more lol
@@akathenugget Yeah, I don't doubt that. Just like they did with the 4000 series.
there aren't any games they use close to 16GB of ram though, Wukong with raytracing on doesn't even use close to 16GB what are crying about lmaol
why are you so concerned about vram? 16gb is absolutely enough for right now, and will be enough for the next 4 years (until PS6 releases). understandable that more is better for futurproofing, but in 4 years 5080 will be a mediocre gpu anyway, so it is fake futureproofing imo.
You think VRAM are cheap? You want to pay less but demand more?
I’ll just stick with my 4080 that I got new for $699 a few months ago at Microcenter marked down as discontinued.
Oh wow
I’ll just stick to my ps5 pro i got on Ebay for £1300
Dang, I thought me getting a 4080 for $800 was a good deal. Wish I would’ve found one for that price
I'll get the 4090 at 900 bucks 😅
I'm keeping my EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming. For one, I've never had an Nvidia card that wasn't EVGA and two, my 3080 Ti is still enough for my needs.
10% faster but 50% more expensive
Yet the same broke bobos are crying about the PS5 Pro 😂
Probably cheaper but still way more expensive than an x80 card should be.
@@oktusprime3637 Yet no one is buying AMD
@@exoticspeedefy7916we've reached a point in technology where I'm surprised anyone buys any of it. I am almost certain, I can use a 7800X3D and 3080(LHR) 12GB for the rest of my life with the only temptation to "upgrade" is when someone has the same power "updated" at an extremely lower wattage, and "super cheap"....
GTX 480 ( flagship GPU) did cost 480€/$ . Gpus shouldn't cost 3000€
High prices AND subpar game quality has caused me to still not upgrade from my 2080 or buy the new consoles. Lack of excitement.
Just bad times for gaming in general, dont forget were about to get games requiring you to upscale and use framegen to get the acceptable fake framerates lol
the new consoles were/are an upgrade...... we could get a lot more if people were willing to pay that 1200 to MS/PSN instead of scalpers.
I can't help but wonder if Nvidia ever leaks info on purpose to build hype for their graphics cards.
All these companies do that
They definitely do it on purpose. Just get your weakest employee, bait them to leak info and fire them. Win Win
Of course they all do it. That’s why you have trusted leakers. They are in contact and give them information to work with.
You would think the specs would be better then...
you forgot to add 70% more AI
Naaah. They won't.. They have special stuff for AI they want to shove with a huge price tag. People literally farmed 4090s in servers for AI cloud business. It was that good. Nvidia won't really let that happen again with consumer cards. Most 4090 sales were not to gamers...
5090 ti 48gb/36gb 3.5K usd with good AI uplift from 4090 is all there is
@@Hi-levels So the 5090 Ti with 48GB to 36GB of VRAM is confirmed? TITAN AI sounds like the product more than a 5090 Ti for these specifications.
@@iLegionaire3755 not confirmed, what I guess that's all. Nvidia wants to sell AI cards to AI projects not rtx gaming cards
I think 50 Series pricing will likely be the same as the 40 Super refresh for everything below the 5090 and the 5090 will be $1800-2000 MSRP
agreed, 2K is gonna be the new norm for the top top tier. The new normal.
why are you guys giving Nvidia Ideas what to price their Cards?! 🤦
@@JefftheLandShark001 Nvidia know well in advance what they are planning to price their cards. We are putting 2 and 2 together is all. They wont stumble across our random comments and go '' Hey!! thats a damn good idea! 2k it is!'' lol
@@JefftheLandShark001 They have AI to do that for them
If Nvidia can somehow keep the 5080 to $999 Ill upgrade my 3080. I could sell my 3080 and a few other items I have lying around and effectively upgrade for $500.
Not a chance. With no competition from AMD ... less so from Intel. Nvid can do whatever they like, for a high price.
That will be the price 999 book it
@@grimdicer152 It's kinda baffling how so far behind AMD is these days though. They are so far ahead in the console space yet in the PC space it's like they are barely even the poor mans choice anymore
5090 rumored to be 2000$, maybe we can assume 5080 will be around 1500$.
999 is crazy! And it’d not Even the top tier 🥲
The 5080 needs 24GB GDDR7, the 5070 needs 16GB GDDR7 and the 5060 needs 12GB GDDR6.
5080 is 16gb but gddr7
I feel like in this economy, no corpo's gonna give us a break on pricing...
Economy isn't that bad 😂
@@challenger516 Nah, it's worse!🙃
More like what about the price?
The 5080 should be called a 5070 ti when compared to the 40 series in performance.
You can expect at least a 5080 super, a 5080 ti and a 5080 super ti one year later 😂
3080 to 4080 to 5080 the performance uptick is about the same
Yeah I’m not complaining about the ps5 pro prices anymore 😂
I’ve been telling everyone it’s not expensive for what it is. I guarantee they aren’t making any money off them
The 4090 & 5080 are PS6 level gpu's, you want the latest tech now then you pay the premium, ps5 pro is good value but still falls way short of what was available from nvidia 4 years ago.
@@evostu7814the ps5 is on par with Nvidia shit from 4 years ago lmao
@@jouskehigaskita8835 What's funny? PS5 gpu equivalent is about a RX 5700 or RTX 3060 they are over 4 years old so evostu7814's comment is on point.
Uses the same CPU as the ps5, bottlenecking the upgraded GPU hard. If they had went with zen3 CPU, it would have really been able to shine on performance. PC gaming uses like ps7 level hardware.
GPUs don’t get cheaper anymore… you money just gets less valuable instead.
If people think ps5pro is a scam by Sony, because they're taking a profit on a console (shocking I know), wait until they find out how much it costs Nvidia to actually make these cards, and how much profit they make on a single GPU.
It’s amazing the heat Sony gets for releasing a console less money than an iPhone but Nvidia and M$ monopolize tech and publishers 😂
Yes because production cost of the final product is the large overhead. We'll just forget the entire R&D costs haha
what are you yapping about?? everyone complains about nvidia gpu's price lol
@@yanceyboyzthe prices announced to investors include RND
They make 60% profit on their cards with RND included
@@ColonelRPG no they do not make 60% on cards with R&D included. They also do not announce profit margins per SKU to investors. I invested in Nvidia 12 years ago when the GTX680 first launched, I haven't once had any information or report about SKU profit margins. Sounds like you just made that fact and percentage up.
For the first time since I can remember, I'm actually happy with what I currently have 😅
4090 FE + 7800X3D is going to last another 2-3 years with no problems.
Got 4080Super few months back. Gonna be skipping this generation 5.
same here happy with my 4080s
As you should. No manufacturer intends for the same people to upgrade every cycle.
Why on earth would you update from a 4080. wtf
@@IrrationalCharm to get the 5090
@@djnes2k7 are you sure about that? is that why they give you maybe just enough vram?
Make the 5080 899 and I’ll buy it day one without a second thought.
My 4090 will see me through the next 3 years
Yep, you should be totally fine. 👍
My 4090 will see me through the next 7 years. I got 6 out of my prior 970 gtx.
4080 still a beast, no reason to change, perhaps when they release the 6080.
I just wanna know the price. Then I can worry about what differences I will get from it over a 4080.
I am eyeing 5080 but if it is 10 percent better then i might buy a 4090 instead
4090 when it costs more?
5080 1200$
The RTX 50 series could have exclusive features plus better ray tracing performance.
@@fatihuslu7960 it won't be $1200
@@fatihuslu7960 the 4090 is $1700 minimum so even if the 5080 has the same performance as the 4090 the 5080 won’t be less than $1400
The 4090 was quiet an investment. Upon filling in the steam survey for cpu specs, they reveal all user rigs and the number of steam users that own one is less than 0.5%
One in every two hundred is a 4090! That's huge!
0.5% of all steam users is a huge number!!!
Hmm 4090s have out sold all of AMD's 7000s together!
5080 specs are closer to a 70 series card in terms of relative performance vs past flagships (source: hardware unboxed)
Which is crap because we don't actually know the perf. HWB are doing a linear comparison with no evidence based on die size. We do know the 4080 is broadly about 42% faster than the 3080 though. The 4090 is 30% faster again than the 4080. IF the 5080 is 10% faster than the 4090. We're again looking at 40% or so perf increase vis a vie the 4080. HWBs major issue is perf per dollar. That's a different thing.
It's cuz 4090 was an outlier
"That's called CEO math. It's not accurate, but it is correct." - Jensen
i'm saying it now the 5090 is going to cost $2500 and the 5080 is going to remain at $1200
Yep, it could happen. No competition from AMD, we can expect outrageous prices. 😭
I feel like the 3080 was one of the best values in terms of price-to-performance. $700 for a 4K capable card felt like the old days when the very best GPU was only $450-500.
With AMD not even targeting the high end GPU market, Nvidia will have no reason to price these new top end cards any cheaper than last generation. Unless there will be a 8800XT that costs $600 and performs on par with a 5080 at least in pure rasterization, we cant expect much.
It’s hopeful it’ll even be on par with 4080 raster so that’s already out of the possible equation
@@puffyips Yep, it would mean around a 70% performance uplift over the 7800XT. Which just simply isn't going to happen. Even if by some Godly miracle it managed those heights, I very highly doubt AMD would then only charge $600 for it. A 7900XTX has a MSRP of $900 and that only has 35% uplift over the 7800XT, never mind 70%.
When it comes to the 8800XT, in the very best scenerio you are talking about 10% more performance over the 4080, not 10% over the 4090.
It really depends on how much AI demand there is for them. Nvidia is finally starting to have competitors emerge in the AI space. As soon as demand drops for their cards they'll have no choice but to drop prices as less than probably 1% of gamers are willing to pay $2K+ for a graphics card.
Customers aren’t targeting high end graphic cards either
@@djnes2k7 I prefer to buy high end and hold on to it for years but not at the prices Nvidia wants these days.
why would they care, they got almost 90% market share
they didn't pair the right amount of vram with the 4000 gpus that was the bigger issue
And it doesn't look it will improve with 50xx when you see 5080 with only 16GB 😑
Electricity bills are crazy enough. I'll stick with my console.
I have a 2070 and still no reason to upgrade. Plays every game I throw at it in high detail, high framerate. There is no reason to the average gamer to upgrade each gen like we did in the 90s and 00s.
yes i upgrade from 3060 to a 4070 super oc new games got wors on a 3060
Yep. The reality is, the base consoles are at about that performance anyway, and therefore, every game between now and the next 5 years will be expected to run on those things, and by extension, your PC. I have an RTX 2060 that is holding up extremely well, it's the 3600 that will bottleneck first if anything given consoles will always have the optimisation edge there.
Lol, I overclocked the piss out of my 486 and used it until 1998. Got more than double the performance of the stock 486 DX2-66. Whoever said Quake doesn't run well on a 486 obviously never heard of overclocking. When I got a P4 1.6 in 2001, I overclocked the piss out of that too. Doubled performance again by clocking it to more than 2.5GHz. These days, I overclock a CPU and get a 10% gain if I am really lucky.
What resolution are u playing on? 1080p? At 1440p and up the 2070 struggles
At 1080p sure.
I, for one, welcome our Battlemage rivals.
So few people actually get these highest tier of cards, way more people care about the fact that nvidia sells cards for $400 with 8gb of vram and the price to performance is crap compared to years ago. We really don't care that the 5090 is whatever faster when its going to be more than a used car.
Could just be 10% better with a newer generation of dlss. Pure rasterization performance might not be as impressive. Can't wait to find out.
still rocking my four year old overpriced then "RTX 3090". with all these new GPU price tag. keeping mine till it burns. is it a criminal to say, it's been worth every penny?!
Same with my strix 3080.
Same here 3090 asus rog strix model
I remember fondly being told 24GB of VRAM was total overkill as a 3090 owner. Looking pretty sound for a bit still with that I reckon.
All just easy to guess rasterization performance increases. But doesn't even give us a slight idea of how much better ray tracing and even DLSS frame gen/ A.I upscaling is with the next cards.
I'd like to know if they're still going to use that stupid power connector, in that stupid place that doesn't physically fit in a lot of PC cases, on top of the melting/fire issues. I had to move my PC to a different case to install the 4090.
If only they cared 😂.
They know what they are doing. They'll use 2 connectors instead of 1
They'll move to another new connector... This one will be shaped like the letter NV for 50% more marketing performance.
@@derptyderp5287 "Our new AI-designed power connector!"
People actually consider their power bill when buying a GPU?
Soon you'll need to PSUs for your PC, one for the GPU and one for the rest of the PC
How?? Gpu are literally becoming more power efficient.....they used to require massive PSU just 10 years ago.
5:48 "the competition is inevitably going to catch up at some point...." From where? AMD recently announced that they'll no longer be competing in the high end GPU market. So that leaves Intel, and we all know where they're at. Where is this competition going to come from?
Yep! We are at the mercy of Nvidia for the next generation unfortunately 😭
I've been rolling with a 1080TI for 7+ years now, and have no idea what my next GPU should be.
I can afford a 5090, no problem -- but whether I should buy one or not is a different story; I'm surely not as desperate for the GPU as Nvidia is for my money.
1080 ti is a legendary gpu
Same here. It's seen VR and just recently an upgrade to 1440p ultrawide. It's definitely struggling and I want an upgrade but the reason I've waited so long is because paying $800 for +5gb of VRAM and maybe x2 performance is just not appealing to me after this many generations.
Get the 5090 and keep for a decade.
But how much?
It's crazy how much we pay for a GPU this days and its crazier people think that's normal.😢
Diminishing returns mate
Price everyone out of the market so they can eventually get us all on a extremely overpriced Nvidia monthly sub for cloud gaming. Sounds like a very doomer future but very likely that's what they would love.
Its a luxury product for most people.
Nobody thinks it's normal. It's just that NVIDIA doesn't care and AMD didn't meaningfully compete.
Boil the frogs long enough until they think its just how it is..
As an owner of a 3080ti FE, that I paid 1k for, I'm watching the 50 series release with interest, but I was unhappy at the price I paid and won't pay more for another card. I also can't see me going below an xx80 level card, so unless they can do a 5080 at 1k or less, I'll likely wait another generation. Moving from 12gb to 16gb also isn't a very compelling draw for me.
5080 is once again a 70 series card. Why no base silicon of the top 102 chip anymore?
It needs to be 90 percent better for that price. Nothing has been a big deal since the 1080ti as far as performance jumps. Most of the time they’re only giving us 10-15% jumps in performance, yet jumping up the price by double or triple. In the long run thats not going to work out for them or the consumer.
The $200 used market is where I live. Rtx 3070. No complaints.
8GB is not enough for today's games
@@juanjosealmanzar6330 Even 6GB of Nvidia vram are fine, when you are not a slave to max settings and 4k.
Btw there are not many games worth playing which needs more than 8GB of Vram...
Alan Wake 2? More of a benchmark, than a good game.
Console ports? After a few patches, they fix optimization or just not use everything on max...
Callisto? No thanks I prefer to replay oryginal Dead sapce 2, than to waste money on it.
Horizon Forbidden West - I may try it, but Zero Dawn did not made me want more of it and 8GB is fine up to 1440p.
Resident Evil Remakes? Just change settings a bit or just play without RT, which does not make much of a difference there...
8GB cards are to weak for CP2077 with PT, so it is not a problem of Vram for them.
If I was in that price range, I would’ve found a used 4060ti 16GB or rx 6800
@@Truth.Alphaz a used 4060ti is still the same price of a brand new 4060ti $400 - $450. I know because I look at the prices like every other week.
Dunno about the 4090 power usage being less than 400W, mine regularly pushes into the low 500s and is pretty consistently 450 or so. Depends on what Vbios you're using. It's autumn, it's warming my room right now. The prices are going to be pretty crazy, but the 5090 sounds absolutely phenomenal in terms of performance.
10% faster than 4090 but with only 16gb of vram?! Its vram should be at least 24gb.
y and then it be double the prize of the 4090
We live in an era where mostly Nvida will "nickel and dime" with the GPU performance. They could easily release a 5080 with 24gb of Vram. But, Nvidia knows that people will just buy the 5080ti version which would end up with 24gb Vram.
I mean.. 4070 super is equal to a 3090 but only has half the VRAM, we've seen things like this before
Correction: 10gb of vram
I just don’t understand why people need 24GB VRAM. I’ve not a seen a game that requires it
It’s great we can use our gaming PCs as space heaters. Lots of power draw but less need for heating. Seems like a win.
What they need to do is reset these prices and bring then 5080 price back to 500 dollars that’s how much the top card should cost, this is ridiculous when you can buy a whole console (and yes I know lower spec) for that price but you have to pay over 1000 for just a graphics card
Edit : alright guess it’s just me everyone says the prices are fair 🤷🏻♂️ that’s why they’ll keep going up
That's like comparing a Honda to a Ferrari
Blame scalpers
@@JakeySurani it’s really not, it’s diminishing returns at some point, so you think prices should keep going up?
@@SammySam7x yeah that I can agree too
@ruialex314 only the 90 card is worth getting new. Any other card get used.
It's not about sustaining the price of one graphics card but rather being able to sustain the lifestyle going forward. Just let it go.
Unless the price is right, I just really don't care. Any chance of the 5080 potentially becoming the next 1080/1080 ti implies that there would actually be competition and a reason for nvidia to charge what's reasonable. That's not going to happen.
There will never be another 1080ti ever again. The biggest nvidia mistake which lasted for 3 generations strong.
"nobody ever had a problem with 4090 pricing" until the connectors melted. or you lived in Europe and paid 40% premium just because it's not the states.
I might buy 5080 someday but my 4070 setup is so good and I don’t even game a ton. It’s fun owning this stuff, but not cheap.
Exactly I have a 4070ti super and have no plan to ever upgrade
What’s the point of upgrading every generation? Just spend $1000 every couple years for 12 more fps. Waste of money.
@@TomsTech94never say never ever :)
@@gorillagroddgamingthere is always a game that doesn’t perform as you want it to.
Just bought the 4070 ti super for 8. I'm happy
If the 5080 is 10% better performance than 4090 the price won’t be less than $1400 imo also if 5090 is 40% or more performance boost over 4090 then the price I think will be minimum $2000 for cheapest 5090 model. Also the Titan card will be at least $2500 lol
5080 will probably be 1000$. It's 16gb after all. 5090 on the other hand will have a huge die and a lot of memory chips if it really has 32gb. It'll be at least 2000$ but I wouldn't be surprised of it was 2500.
I don't think they can get away with a standard 80 series card over $1000 this time, at least I hope not LOL!
I don't think people will be surprised by the sticker price of the 5090. But I hope they don't fumble the 5080 price.
you are out of your mind. it is standard that xx80 is more powerful than last gen xx90. it is going to be 1199$ just like 4080.
@@TheBlackIdentety can you tell me a game that NEEDS more than 16gb vram to run? I get 24gb for future-proofing but a game like black myth wukong uses no more than 10gb without full ray-tracing on
The jump from the 3090 -> 4080 was bigger, but remember that the 3090 wasn’t as big of an improvement over the 3080 as the 4090 is over the 4080. The 4090 was super overkill
In a few years there still will be a 5080 ti or 5080 ti super or 5080 24gb. Because gap too big between 5080 and 5090. Waiting Amd gpu. I hope 8900xtx will be like at least like 5080
y we need competition cause atm AMD doesn't have anything to compete with the 4090
people said that about the 4080 and 4090, yet they never released a 4080ti or 4080 24gig. Its going to be the same thing all over again brother
AMD said recently that they are not planning any consumer GPUs that compete on the highest end (RTX 5090 and 5080) sadly - so it appears there will likely be no competition this generation on the halo-product end. Which yet again, is frustrating as a consumer. 😑
@@mr.selfimprovement3241 Of course they will battle RTX 5080. Just not 5090. 5080 is halved 5090 and much weaker.
I mean, no reason to make it faster when consoles are at the end of their cycle. Developers make games for PS5, then on PC we get to run them at slightly higher quality and resolution.
Isnt the new narrative that upgrading gpus for better performance is a SCAM.
My 3080 basically paid for itself 3x over from mining ETH lol. And now it bought me a 9800x3d platform because of it. 30 series was the best :D
I went from a 980ti to a 4070 last year and I’m happy with my upgrade I still game at 1080p so for me it was a massive upgrade overall
Upgrade to a 1440p monitor you are wasting the horse power of that 4070.
Its crazy how long the 980 Ti lasted especially the Super OC Gigabyte G1 gaming 980 Ti. That card could easily plough through just about any 1080 game for its time at max setting and get a rock solid 60 fps like Witcher 3
@@Eliilizz108 not only that 1440p DLSS 7.1 quality is 960p and the image looks great, on balance it's 835p and it still looks better than on a native 1080p screen. 1080p Gaming looks only good on a 24inch screen, everything above that screen size, makes it look horrible.
@@Eliilizz108i second that.
1080p is not acceptable. 1440p is annoying . 4k is okay-ish but still eye cancer, especially at 32 inch . 5k at 27 inch is where the fun starts and 8k is the ideal resolution at 32 inch . 280 ppi looks freaking unbelievable. Games do look real and it feel like you are looking though a window
Praying for more vram on the top end laptop skus, the gap seems to be widening
ill stay with my 4080 for a while i guess .... its enough for 1440p gaming
It's sad paying that much for 1440p gaming
@@abhijeetdey yea bro kind of prices are insane i could go for a 4k monitor but hello no them we're way too expensive so i went for 1440p
If you game on a 28" or less monitor 1440p is all you need because of the relatively higher pixel density
I have a RTX 4080 myself - it's a 4K beast, what are you talking about? lol. Not every game needs every toggle maxed... even RTX 4090 can't comfortably push _every game_ maxed at native 4K. Take advantage of DLSS Quality and toggle a few settings down to High (like volumetrics or Ray tracing) and it'll handle 4K gaming for years to come.
Also, I feel ya man about the 1440p. I wanted a OLED monitor, but 4K OLEDs (even TVs) are outta my price range. So I bought a 'cheap' (still put me in debt) 1440p OLED monitor for $600. RTX 4080 on a 1440p monitor feels like dropping a V8 to a Volkswagen Beatle. lol. You and I will be fine skipping the next generation.
why should prices go down, or even be the same as last gen here? whats the reason for nvidia to do so, except for increasing how their customers view the company with lower prices, i cant find any reason for them to do so.
future games recommended spec :
"RTX 4070 Super, the game is expected to run at 1080p 30fps (with Frame Generation enabled) under the Medium graphics setting."
😂 probably true
Which includes aggressive upscaling.
I hope Intel Battlemage really forces some competition on price/performance.
Cost: 2 x PS5 Pro's
Performance: 100x Ps5 pros
@@Optim121 Electricity bill: second mortgage.
1400 down from 1600 for 5090 would be a welcome surprise from ngreedia
@@NiGHTS1980 You can either stay married or you can get a 5090 and a divorce.
@@Optim121Plus Shader Compilation Stutters and other PC problems
If only DLSS frame gen was on Tensor RTX 3000 cards. Then again, it would mean a lot less sales for 4000, 5000, or even 6000 cards if that came through
A washing machine uses 500 watts per hr according to Google. Blimey.
Watts per hour ? Wtf is that ? Lmao
I took it to mean comparable power consumption. @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
Waiting for Corsairs prebuilt 5080’s PCs to buy
Diminishing returns much? If you have a 4090 your pretty much future proof for at least 8 years
Huh? not star wars outlaws
@@jameswatson5807 that game is optimized like ass and it barely even looks current gen. There's enough last gen games that look better
but if you have a 4090 it means you have money burning a hole in your pocket anf you will upgrade regardless of need
@@defnotatroll not necesarily it's more about priority spending and cutting out other things. Its kinda like buying an exotic car to live in it lol but thats the most extreme example I can think of
@@jameswatson5807that’s because of Ubisoft. The game isn’t that demanding.
10% better with a 33% power consumption increase?
Dogsjit..
Also, having something in your pc that pulls 600 watts on full load, you better have a fire extinguisher next to your PC.
10% faster than 4090, 33% power consumption increase over *4080*. It has about 10% less power consumption than a 4090.
And people cry over the price of a PS5 Pro….for minimal difference…yet gullible pc plebs will pay literally thousands for minimal gains lol. Pathetic.
O no ps5 pro is ways greater than the ps5 version
No one is upgrading from a 4090 to a 5080. If anything, we'd sell the 4090 and buy the 5090 with the difference. Normally ppl wait a gen or two. Shoot, i had a 1060 before my 4090.
The problem with AI performance enhancements is that, at any point, Nvidia could turn off that functionality and force you to buy a new card because its performance suddenly “suffers due to more demanding games”
What games are you people playing with these nuclear powered video cards? Games nowadays are dog shite
They want to look at dog shite in 8k 120 fps. They think this will somehow make dog shite better looking ))
It's all a nob swinging contest. My nobs bigger than yours, so it can swing further at greater speed 😂
imagine spending $2k on a video card with no games
Flight sims in VR max out any GPU (and CPU) in existence. 4090 is nowhere near enough for upcoming Pimax Super. We're a niche bunch, but we exist.
Nope. You're just close-minded with shitty taste in games.
Price will be more important because of the port shutdown, if that impacts supply here in the US.
One of the biggest issues is people buying these gaming cards to do professional work. A business can write off at least a some of the expense so someone might just get the 4090/5090 or even the 4080/5080 for that. They don’t care as much about price and Nvidia knows this.
I love my 4090 which I have had for 2 years now. Play at 4K with no issues at all.
5090 will be only 18 percent better. 4090 is the new 1080ti. Hold HODLL
I like that Radeon VII by the window.
If the super nerds continue to pay $$$ why not increase the price of high end GPU. I would if i can rip off the super nerds and make a steal
We live in a world where some people struggle to eat and others spend thousands for pretty videogames. Bunch of geeks I swear to GOD.
My issue is that there are very few games with the graphics that warrant a high end GPU.
Meanwhile people are pissed about a PS5 Pro and are saying, "jUsT bUiLd A gAmING Pc!" for a 10 percent increase and probably a $1800 graphics card lol
Ps5 Scrub is just a 2080ti in raw performance.
@@Truth.Alphazand if you watch Digital Foundry you will know that raw performance is meaningless and PSSR along with optimization is king lol.
@@Truth.Alphaz u mad lol
@@Jev55 DLSS is better than PSSR
@@Jev55dur hur…DLSS is better
Rocking a 3070 laptop, it doesn't run everything at max settings and i do want a desktop, but man these GPUs are crazy expensive.
COuld care less personally. Rocking a 4070 ti with a beast OC.
Nothing I can't play at ultra 1440p, and many at 4k ultra, or 4k ultra dlss quality.
There just aren't any good games out. Everything is "eh"
Too many people bought the 4090, I'm tired being angry about nvidia pricing when it's clear no one cares.
Those same people are going to buy the ps5 pro because well it's pocket change for them and it will give Sony the incentive to make the ps6 $600-$700
Be angry at AMD that they can't compete
lol, at least my 4080 will last for a long time.
It's a great card but i really wish it was 20gb rather than 16gb as the difference between a 4090 and a 4080 is much larger although the price difference is much larger as well. There are enough room for a new card. I think the 4080 could've been so powerful and nvidia intentionally put some limitations on the memory speed, width etc to keep it in check against the 4090
i own a 4080 and it struggles with unreal engine 5 games in 4k, dont see how you think its going to last a long time
I have a 4080 Super. It will last me 1% longer than yours :)@CRF250R1521
@@babble1975 lol true
@CRF250R1521 which UE5 games in specific does your 4080 struggle with?
I think personally if you overclock and increase your power limit, you won't have much of an issue. On my 4080 Super overclocked to 2900/12800 (being a tad modest compared to most high overclocks), Wukong at 4k DLSS Balanced (and above) with everything on Cinematic and Full RT Ultra High is the struggle point.
I think we, on the high end, are just accustomed to maxing everything out and sailing ship. If we optimize just a little, a 4080 will definitely go a long way. It could even hold us over until the 60 Series in another 2 years or so.
I am not sure where they are getting that 10% bump of performance between the 5080 and the 4090, on paper the 5080 is a much weaker card. I would say perhaps in DLSS performance but the 5080 has even less Tensor cores and RT cores than the 4090. The fact they are ceasing production of the 4090, it should give you an idea that they don't want the 4090 to cast a shadow on the 5080. I believe the 4090 will live in between the 5090 and the 5080 for quite some time.
They also claimed the 4070 was faster than the 3080. It wasn't. It's like 6% slower.
5090 for me, my 4090 served me well. Need more frames for 4k native though. Going to cost an arm and a leg for sure.
Once you get a taste of that 4k goodness it's hard to have anything less.
IDK, native 4K is overrated.
DLSS quality or balanced 4k is good enough.
@@張彥暉-v8p not really, DLAA is the best 5090 is worth the money
@@eclisis5080 Ofc DLAA will look better.
The visual difference is just too small to make me care.
@@張彥暉-v8p that's because you can't use it with high frames at the same time, I can, I prefer, I only use DLSS Quality if I can't 90fps With DLAA,
Im building my first gaming rig. I'm just going to wait for the 5080 instead of spending north of $2K on a 4090. If I already had a 4090 I would not upgrade to the 5080. For those who currently have a 4090, the 5090 is pretty much your only sensible option if you want to upgrade.
PS5 Pro price doesn’t look that bad anymore
Far less games, worse sales, paid online, no freedom, worse performance, yeah it's still bad. A 3070ti would beat it lol
@@Optim121 good luck building a full PC equally powerful as the PS5 with a 3070ti for 700$
@@IrrationalCharm always the same argument. you spend a little more to get a PC that can play every game in existence and you play it at definitive resolutions and framerates without needing a "pro patch". you guys are so boring.
@@Optim121 it’s an argument that over 61 million customers favor buying PS5.
And another 30 million buy Xbox.
So clearly it’s a valid argument.
@@Optim121 even after 4 years. You still can’t beat a PS5 with the same budget.
Additionally, PC still sucks as a living room console. Because you’re forced to use mouse and keyboard.
And also you have to end up troubleshooting eventually. And most people can’t be bothered to have to look up what driver they are missing.
And also consoles are considerably more convenient to just pause a game, leave it on sleep and continue the next day, only needing to wait 10 seconds to boot up. PC, I wouldn’t really do that, and nobody does that, because it’s not convenient.
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Wow and people are saying the ps5 pro isn't doing enough to justify an upgrade.
Ha now you why the extra $200 for a GPU and SSD upgrade isn't so bad? good because now you know how bad the technology industry is with the price to performance ratio
I'd rather have a 24gb 3090 than a 16gb 5080.
Because the number is bigger?
Yeah, 30 fps with 10+ GB ram to spare in game is fun.
@@jeffmartinez3485 the 24gb part makes sense but the 3090 is not able to get 60 fps while using more than 12gb vram
The fk are you using it for?
Gaming at 16K resolution 10fps? LMAO. Insane take.
16gb is completely fine.
@@CallOFDutyMVP666 There will be a 24gb coming out later