Why Female Idols HATE Male K-Pop Idols
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- The K-pop industry isn't as bright as it seems, especially for female idols who often seem uneasy around their male colleagues, suggesting deeper problems.
#kpop #kpopnews #KOOKIELIT
I feel for these women. This country has diabolical standards
I mean ok we can consider us (way) more free, but I have this glaring feeling there are more countries on more continents with diabolical standards than not..and Kpop is basically an Island on an Island to begin with like XP points Levle 300(0)...
Asian standards are always like these ngl i wish we had american standards every asian parent want their daughters to be the thinnest like a model, underweight and dying
Not just South Korea, but the entire world. International netizens aren’t any better.
The United States is worse in every shape and form from the music industry to their obsession with constantly seggsualizing everything. So let's not
@@bubba94290 yes but, compared to k-netizens, they are sorta better. Usually hate comes from inside the home rather then outside
It's scary how female idols had to go thru all of this... I'm scared 😰
Right they should come to Hollywood instead where they'll be safer
@@tubby_1278Hollywood is way more corrupt and satanic
@@tubby_1278Hollywood is worse.
definitely the worst part of the industry are the fans, giving all of us a bad rep. Not to generalize, but it feels like the korean fans are particularly awful to the idols, and its extra visible to the idols because its their native language.
At the end of the day, we fans should be more casual, and care only about the music, not the person. That's kinda the attitude we have with western artists(less so these days)
Very sad
@@tubby_1278 is this satire
It's honestly concerning and terrifying how many young idols are vulnerable in this industry 😞
fr, theyre just kids w/ dream of becoming idol
"he would never do that" please we do not know these people, ALL of them can be dangerous are secret freak
@@leonergyyy and you don't know they WOULD so let ppl believe their faves are good people omfg
@@jhenson3103 it's better not to glaze over a person you don't know, look at what happened with taeil. Not to mention the deep fake issue in Korea and how rampant it is but is somehow being shrugged of by the community.
@@jhenson3103 no because people believe so strongly that there good people just bc they look cute and nice on camera when we do not know, you can't say "they will never do that" because you DO NOT KNOW THEM, it's their job to seduce the audience
When you say ALL, you mean female idols too right?
@@misskata8511 oh yeah, it's not because they are not alot of case of female idol being the perpetrator that it's not real
We all know Seungri is one of the biggest creeps of all time. It's so sad that some people are still in denial of what that piece of garbage did. And that's with the netlfix documentary in circulation as well.
the fact he around for so long
The way Netflix gives creepes like these a platform is very concerning and disturbing💀
@@Duma2011 they are worse than him, they just haven't been caught yet or brought to light. This has been happening for YEARS, he's just a small fish in a big pond. And sadly he won't be the last.
There are lots of misinformations about Seungri. Due to those misinformations many people defend Seungri. The true facts are that Seungri did tax invasion and gambled. That is what Seungri was arrested for. However Seungri also was quiete rude and there are video evidence that points out he knew what JJY and the others did. However Seungri did not touch any of the women involved, that was JJY’s doing. Seungri is not a saint, but the worst one was JJY.
@@vixxexo6855 that didn't take long for someone in denial to come out of the woodwork. Quit being in denial!!!! Get some help!!!
Finally someone said that. Being female in the industry is so hard espacially with this netizens.
Being a female is hard in this world generally I feel bad for the female idols men are scary
the double standards are crazy
Whose fault is it tho?
@@olblue3478patriarchy
@@olblue3478patriarchy
@@littleflower6575 so kpop fans are patriarchal
@olblue3478 patriarchy duh🙄
The fact that Zico still has a career after being involved in the burning sun scandal, made racist comments, made homophobic comments, while Hyuna has her career ended for dating someone who's involved in the burning sun scandal shows how crazy this double standard is.
Wait zico was in the burning suc scandal???? Like the guy who sang with jennie
Doesn’t make hyuna’s scandal any better, they are both the worst
I’m actually disappointed in Zico. I thought he was an nice guy and cool but hearing this…..I don’t know anymore. And the fact that I wanted to be a soloist under KOZ entertainment where he made BOYnextdoor, it’s just…..disappointing. What’s wrong with idols these days? 😢
@@twiceOT94ever no, that's a different guy.
Yes, there are many male idols who have done many horrible things, but they somehow always manage to get away with them. For female idols one wrong action is enough to receive bandwagon hate by everyone.
Everyone also needs to remember that Yang Hyun-suk (YG owner), groomed his wife. He met her as a child, signed her to his label, and then sabotaged the group so he could marry her.
gosh ew that’s horrible
And he had literally no shame admitting it himself..
what's her name?
edit: i'ts lee eunjoo. and she was 29yo when they got married so i'm not sure how any of this is wrong... could you give me a link or something
@@picante28 Because he groomed her. It doesn't matter how old she was when she got married if they were groomed. Yang said he eyes on her since she was a child. That's creepy
@@picante28 How is it NOT wrong?.. Creepy weirdo "fell in love" with her when she was a child
11yr old girl and 23 yr grown ass man ? Wtf ? We see cases of grown women getting harrassed or beaten by men in relationships how can a child withstand them ?
I had a few female classmates aged 12/13 who were dating 23/24-year-old guys.
Even though I was very young at the time, I always wondered if their parents knew what their children were doing.
This is way more common than we think, as there are many neglectful parents.
So many pedos prey on neglected children.
The 10-year age gap is not a big deal when both people are over 18, but dating minors is disgusting.
11-year-olds are not even teens yet...it's awful how twisted some people are.
A lot of times girls 11 - 14 have bodies of grown women even though they still have a child's mind so you can still see how a male idol might try to go for them
@@Mhkkvvyl yes but problem ain't just the 10 yr old age gap the problem is still the sex a 11 yr old girl that hasn't even grown properly an being pregnant? It will lead to serious biological adverse effects . And moreover no matter what we all know that ain't no way a 11 yr old can have a say in this kind of toxic relationship we see daily cases of. Grown women getting harrassed or beaten by men in relationships how can a child will withstand them ?
I really hate those jtbc knowing bros those old pedo looking
@PrahalladGantayat-mx6ju An 11-year-old is a child they shouldn't be dating in the first place, let alone dating people in their 20s.
How could they feel like flirting with a child is cute?
I wonder what these people do in private if that's what they do on camera.
It’s crazy how bad female idols are treated 😢
It’s because they don’t feel safe. Misogyny is so rampant in the industry and country. Female idols get exploited constantly and they know that staying away from men is the best way to stay safe. The problem with a lot of male idols is the fact that they have so many adoring female fans cheering them on and it gets to their head. Eventually they feel like they can have any girl they want and that develops into them believing they are entitled to any girl they want, which is when they can get more predatory. Again this obviously isn’t all male idols, but it’s enough for it to be a serious problem. Please just remember that you never know what an idol is truly like behind closed doors.
south korea is a country built on misogyny and patriarchy, after all.
What pisses me off more is when some kpop fans think that their idols would never do something sinister. "My idol would never!" "_ is not like this." You do NOT know these men. You are not around them 24/7. Some have had years to build their good image while behind scenes they could be doing some messed up stuff.
These idols show things only they and company wants to show, Everything is for camera. Fans don't know the real idol, only the illusion.
Honestly you can say that for anyone you even know personally.
True 100% these fans needs stop
acting like they knows these Kpop
Males you don't know them, I'm not
saying that you should not listen to
their music or stop care for their health nor stop supporting their stage performance and music but
always be cautious first not praise
them much be cautious and not mistreatment Kpop Females should be mistreated like dirt, Unless their are hard evdience proof, the same goes for Kpop Males to but don't praise them
much like you know them Personally just stop.
Translate to Korean
Yup
Behind the scenes a lot of the female idols are actually friends with the male idols but the fans make it weird with toxic jealousy and shipping of them. And it's quite a shady industry in kpop where the women are criticized and scrutinized more the men, such is the double standards
👏🏽👏🏽
This is all very true, but then you have cases like Super Junior - and I'm saying this as a person whose entry into kpop was them, I was an ELF and saw them live - where these male idols are literally 'calling dibs' on minor girls debuting, send gross phone messages etc. Heechul used to be horrid to Sulli in the training room, Eeteuk is known infamously within the industry etc. And it's not exclusive to them or SM. It's a mess.
Exactly, those "fans" make it weird fr, I agree those types of "fans" ruin everything for fans who are not toxic and don't ship idols.
@@wHiPpEdFoRJeOnJuNgKoOk the main people scrutinizing these women are also women
Fr😥
To me, some of these male idols are like Korean versions of Drake
Don't judge a book by its cover. STOP treating male idols like they're always innocent (female idols too) because we don't know what's going on off camera. Stuff like this can develop trust issues among kpop idols in general. Don't even think everything's okay everyday in the that industry
I’d say they also like diddy
I remember Jackson Wang, walking green flag that he is, noticed the situation with Irene and San-e and intervened at one point, placing himself bodily between the two when San-e was invading her personal space and Irene was visibly uncomfortable. While there are certainly predatory male idols, there are also true gentlemen out there, like Jackson.
Unfortunately, the reality of this kind of power dynamic is across all cultures. You hear the same kind of stories in the US in Hollywood. It is dangerous to be a young woman -- even a child! -- in these industries.
Not just idols but girls and women in general in South Korea are held to incredibly high and unfair standards, by men, and at the same time are still treated like garbage
Korea is going through a extreme incel movement and violence against women movement that is even getting noticed worldwide.
Its BAD in Korea right now for women
The thing with irene is actually because she is a female idol with male fans so when she read something about feminism her male fans felt offended
While RM has female fans who obviously liked the idea of their fav supporting their rights
But yeah the double standards towards female idols is there and its sad cuz thats how it it in every industry
Correct, plus female reveluvs (red velvet fandom) went full roge defending Irene from those creeps, korean and international reveluvs mock them, hahahaha You paid for your photocard and now burn it, perfect loser leave the fandom, Irene has way more femele idols either way, we don't need You... leave LEAVE the fandom....the backlash was so hard some even apologied lol
How can a group of people get worked up over a book that represents feminism? It not only disrespects her right as a woman, but it dismantles her trust in men. If they really devoted themselves to Irene, the guys could try to lean to her level and read a few pages of said book. I mean, IT. IS. JUST. A. BOOK! A BOOK!!!
Yeah that’s true it’s more like male Korean fans are ass
@@misterwacky3186South Korean men think feminists are extremists who hate men, so they feel threatened.
Summary of what u did:
Thinking that whatever the men don't want, is a law that should never be crossed, eventhough it's just a book
It's human right to like certain things, u don't need permission
And what about JK, and V, do they get a pass, because fans like the fact that they are smokers
"that's how it is in every industry" do u realized how dismissive this sentence was, everytime a women is a victim
Is being a fan, your whole identity? U seem too good in backstabbing while protecting ur idols.
And the fact is that most of thise hate came from women make it even more bad 😞
unless it’s about feminism, then it’s largely irrelevant, small minded men entering the conversation.
THISSSS ✨. The female fans are too obsessed and blinded by male idols that they hate in female idols for even the smallest things
I mean, for the Irene and RM book, it would be a kind reminder that both idols have a completely different fandom demographic 🤔you won't see Irene middle-aged korean male "fans" go after RM for the same thing.
exactly. the biggest problem is that the people commenting on all this are usually two different groups, with some overlap. irene and all of red velvet got hate from men whenever feminism was brought up, because red velvet have a big male fandom, especially irene herself. compare most of her criticisms to the support seulgi gets for something like having a no make up look or being friends with a male idol like got7’s bambam, when she has a larger female fanbase. or look at how a lot of female groups with receive criticism from fans of other female groups because the lifespan of girl groups is so dependent on appeal to the general public, resulting in massive amounts of girl on girl hate. the problems are not solely with a double standard, although one exists in the society itself, but the real issue involves girl groups being marketed for the general public vs boy groups being marketed towards a fanbase. a fanbase is solid and will defend an artist against criticism and general public gives and takes it’s favor day to day. and when a group is marketed to the general public, mainly s. korea, they are going to face the dark side of their societies double standard towards women, from behavior to appearance.
to change this, girl groups need a fandom, and a strong one at that, which will stop a company from forcing an idol to change to please the public, as they will no longer need the gp for financial support, and to reshape what is acceptable to comment about female idols. as much as boy group stans can be annoying, you have to admit that those with a strong fandom, or a bigger international fandom, are always the ones being used in these comparisons videos and showing that criticism of them is often drowned out by praise. a good example of how this works would be hwasa. she got official complaints launched about her choreography at one of the university festivals, a society issue, but she also got massive support because her fanbase was built on people who want to support hwasa, not just riding on the success of a single mass appeal comeback. strong fanbases for women, usually by women, is a far more effective solution than constantly complaining about the double standard. take the power away from those 40 yo men to dictate what women can or can’t speak about and give it to the people who will actually support the artist.
actually most of these "double standards" are caused because of different groups of fans, female idols have both male and female idols, where some female fans can get really judgemental, and some male fans can get really creepy, on the other hand, most male groups have mostly female fangirls, that would usually justify absolutely everything they do, this video is honestly taking some facts out of context to fit a narrative, not to say that is easy to be a woman in te industry, or negate that most fans have very idiotic opinions and standards, but this video clearly omitting certain relevant facts that help to understand part of the problems with the korean idol culture, and its in favor of giving a message with a biased narrative.
without the intent to criticize, rather to give an example, NJ is a group that has achieved a more loyal fan base than other GGs, receiving a lot of justification from their fans in every controversy that has come out, far from being as attacked as other groups, in fact, I personally have not seen a single complaint about the weight of the members, not to say that any of them have gained weight or are overweight, but if people were as critical as the video presents, at least one would have been attacked for looking less skinny than expected.
On the other hand, the video takes BTS as an example of male idols who are forgiven for everything, they being possibly the most famous, recognized and loved kpop group by their fans, that is too convenient for the narrative of the video, besides, now with the recent Suga controversy, he has been judged no less harshly than any female counterparts in these cases, of course, maybe his fans are defending him more than others, but he has received his fair share of criticism despite being a man.
Patriarchy is everywhere… no surprises here!! Also, patriarchy is deeply entrenched in the Korean society, so it’s not really a surprise that the K-pop industry reflects the same.
The whole Hyuna thing annoys me. She is getting waaayyyy more hate than the man who is actually related to the burning sun thing
I don't hate her but i won't support her either. One thing is breaking up with Dawn. Sometimes it happens but another thing is to date and even inform about thinking about marrying a guy who literally was in the chatrooms, knew what's going on and didn't inform the police. That will make you lose respect of your fans.
While he should certainly receive more backlash, she also doesn't deserve to be followed if she's happily with someone who did those disgusting things. His actions evidently don't bother her, so while she hasn't committed them, she supports them.
@@deluxis4991he was not in the Chatrooms, stated by the Police after Investigation
She is a horrible human being, she forcé her them nugu noobie Idol bf risk everything cuz she decided to make the relationship public in the most important moment for him and pentágono, almost as if she wanted to sabotage his chances so he wouldnt be that famous ...she was the sunbae with a decade in the industry , she knew that would destroy his opportunity and now he new fans we're hyuna fans, he was label hyuna bf so much Even im the new company .....only for her to refuse to marry and choose a dude that watched videos being raped ....she deserve all the hate.... All of it
to that, she is the soloist who had the bigger career, and he was an ex member of a relatively non-active boy group that changed their name, so people go for the bigger name. but the fact that people bandwagoned on to the hate and barely mention him is ridiculous. if her fans are disappointed, that’s one thing, but if you can barely name one song by her and only know her because of her spotlight from all the stuff with her past relationships, you really just want to use a girl as a punching bag. it’s probably the same people who actively hate on blackpink and whoever is the biggest IT girl of the moment. those people aren’t kpop fans, they just hate successful women because of a lot of ingrained misogyny.
and this is just to stuff that's visible to us. i can't even imagine what goes on behind the scenes. how many awful things have companies covered up? i love kpop, i love idols, but good lord something needs to change. companies need to do more to protect their female idols period
A girl on tiktok said that biy groups are nolonger lucrative in SK and boy groups are no longer put together as much as it was because investors are afraid the boys might later be involved in sexual scandals. And since its a very patriarchal society so. It really gets you thinking.
That also has to do with a lot of trends. Teenage girls used to be all over boy groups, they no longer are. I'd say boy groups were having a downward trend before most of these scandals even happened. While they were still popular, they had reached a plateau and with a group like BTS becoming less active, that had a massive impact on boy groups overall.
There's also the feminist movement which disproportionately favor women, largely because it's primarily composed of women. That in turn causes an upward trend for girl groups and particularly those who are perceived to promote such ideas.
So the scandals are honestly pretty minor in terms of the popularity loss. I also want to point out that investors only care about their money and there were scandals before which did not even make them budge. I think this has more to do with how lucrative the industry is as a whole, or lack thereof. They don't get a return on their investments and that's why they don't invest as much. Similar trends can be seen in other industries such as the game industry and IT as a whole.
It's honestly just a matter of time before the economy just implodes.
@@CottidaeSEA well explained but don't you think that sexual scandals being expected with boy groups is also an issue? Genuine question. Cause there are so many sexual harassment cases in SK regardless of the entertainment industry. But if one is a celebrity then they might not be able to get away with it?
@@dowini Those scandals are obviously a consideration, but I don't think it's as big as it is made out to be. Out of all groups, there are only a few with such scandals.
I do think it's something that will force the industry to change a bit though, hopefully for the better. It's hard to tell beforehand. Becoming more restrictive can ironically cause those issues to get worse.
I also want to point out that the victims should report the crimes far more quickly to not let the culprits do it to more people. That is something which needs to get better at a global scale.
@@CottidaeSEA Teenage girls have always been into boygroups, just look at the western history of boybands. It has nothing to do with it not being trendy whatsoever.
@@inferiorinferno8859 Okay, so if something is enjoyed by 200 million people and then drops to 100 million, that's still loads of people, but wouldn't you say that's a downward trend?
Sorry, but that's just an ignorant statement.
Netizens hate women , blame women even when its not their fault . I hate double standards not just k pop idols but regularl male and female face this 😢😢
Finally someone talks about Hyuna! Yes she made a mistake, but what about HIM? You need to treat HIM worse than HER.
Female idols? Let's say that it is hard to be female in S. Korea in general.
Females in SK can stick it to the men by fighting on the frontlines when NK invades.
Yeah fr it's hard being a female in general uggh the change is so insignificant even when there is so much awareness EVERYWHERE. What to do bro 😭
It's hard to be a girl in this world honey.
Writing this from India🤓☝🏼
Can we talk about how some male fans of girl groups are extremely misogynistic towards other groups? For them, stanning a girl group makes them feminist, while they insult and body-shame other girl groups. Such behavior has become all too common among K-pop fans. We need to learn to respect all girl groups. Additionally, there are many group chats being exposed where fans make rape jokes about male and female idols from other groups. I’ve seen one involving BTS members and ITZY. In those chats, the male fans are from fandoms like BLACKPINK and aespa. Instead of calling them out, the female counterparts in their fandom are often supporting them with likes and retweets. It's so pathetic.
They also make misogynistic jokes about boy group stans who mainly consist of females
Like some fans believe just because they stan a girlgroup then they are feminists.
Super Junior members are problematic towards junior female idols when it comes to body shaming them. Like Leeteuk once said “I don’t like fat girls because I don’t think they take care of their bodies very well.” or Shindong rudely said, “If someone needs to lose weight, I would tell them to lose weight.”
it made such a issues
LOL what the hell is wrong with that? If someone is obese then they clearly aren't taking care of their bodies.
I rmb when shindong said that and I basically stopped being an ELF lol. His hypocritical ass can stfu. The saying 'not all men but always men' crosses borders and cultures, even more so in Asian countries where the patriarchy is disgustingly strong.
Korean people are like that in general. If you look fat they'll just say "You should lose weight"
It's giving drake vibs
Even as a guy, something about guys getting or trying to get with women significantly younger that them distrubs me to my core. I have always been against several age gaps and the older people trying to take advantage of the younger counterpart.
Me too. As a guy, it's literally painful just thinking. Can't imagine how bad females must feel
Thank you bro at least some men understand this 😭🙏🏻
Super Junior's fans are vicious, too. Despite half their members being extremely problematic (what's mentioned in the video is the tip of the iceberg), they always claim everything was a joke, mistranslated, out-of-context, etc. It's sick.
And one of the normal members (Sungmin), got unofficially kicked out of the group by them for getting married. They claim he didn't tell them properly, like he owed them that? That was TEN YEARS AGO.
Somehow those fans cannot grow up and mature, and still have the same maturity level as when Super Junior first debuted nearly 20 years ago.
Is being a kpop idol really worth all this abuse, toxicity, anxiety, and stress?? I'm seriously asking. I think this is why I can't really get into kpop, I keep hearing more bad things about it than good.
Many kpop idols have talked about why they became kpop idols and it was to support their family financially, it's very sad
I don’t even think it’s only K-pop idols even normal company jobs they see women as objects
Yeah fr being a idol seems really depressing
That's the thing, NO one knows these entertainers in real life. They, specially male entertainers, put on a facade, and women sadly fall for it every single time. We all fall for that cute, innocent, playful, nice guy image. I am NOT saying all of them are misogynistic at all. What I am purely saying to women, specially young girls, to have a healrhy dose of skepticism. Not everything is what is seems at times. As the saying goes, what is done in the dark it eventually comes to light sooner or later.
Kpop fans in general just seem too extreme and constantly want their idols to apologize for every little thing
Well many knetizens actually do that. I know i-fans aren't better but the "apology for little thing" stuff almost always comes from Koreans
You are wrong about RM's case. He is one of the very few male idols who has received extreme hate from anti-feminist sites among knetizens. Those who praised him are ARMYs. K-pop stans made fun of him when he recommended that book and mentioned in an interview that he had a discussion with a feminist professor, as he was raised in a misogynistic society
Yah but that hate was negligible in front of what Irene faced also I do remember that a lot of fans especially females from various fandoms praised him for his progressiveness
@@Just_basicwannabeY.N Female fans praised Irene too. The difference is that Red Velvet has a large male fanbase, who couldn't bear to see her read something they didn't like. That's where all the backlash and hate came from. They need a fandom cleanse ASAP.
@@Just_basicwannabeY.N Red Velvet fans consist of males, and some of these Korean males are so misogynistic that they tear up her photocards. In contrast, Korean ARMYs, who are mostly female, have been very supportive of RM for openly endorsing feminism. However, some Korean men have added RM, Irene, and Suzy's names to anti-feminist sites and criticized them.
The majority of international K-pop stans have mocked RM; they continue to make fun of him for engaging with a feminist professor, despite him stating that he was not aware of feminist movements. It’s worth noting that RM receives hate from K-pop stans even when he speaks about his mental health🙂 so yeah this double standards doesn't really works with bts members
See you are supporting man even he did many bad things
@@ShanzayKhan-f1d A blink speaking💀☠
K-pop is supposed to be fun Free and loved but now kpop is turning into the opposite I wish idols would realize that haters have no right to tell idols what to do , what to wear or what to eat I also blame this kpop companies I wish they would see the evil true side😢😢💔💔
I agree but the industry has always been bad. It's not a "then and now" thing
@@Wontwastemytime Completely agree and was just about to say the same thing
I still don’t understand why parents let their 13 year olds into the kpop industry when they know dang well what they’re gonna be dealing with it
한국은 그정도로 안전하고 회사는 입사한 연습생을 책임감을 가지고 잘 보호한다,,,회사의 연습생은 연습만을 하며 아무 일도 안 일어난다고,,,
그리고 일반 학생들도 공부로 인해 힘들게 사는 나라가 한국이라고
당신은 한국에 대해 너무 모르는것 같다
This videos needs to be seen by everyone.. the mistreatment of women in the industry, even in the West is absolutely insane..
Super Junior members are incels… calling “dibs” on female idols is gross. 🤢 I remember Shindong once said that women shouldn’t be fat because it’s “irresponsible” or whatever, but he himself is on the bigger side… 🤦🏻♀️ Also, I feel so bad for Irene. So many male celebs openly hit on her. Whenever she was on a variety show, her fellow male cast members would be constantly making comments on her looks while she’s just standing there 😅 I mean, she’s super pretty, but it’s still so weird
Women cast members also comment on her beauty too same for Karina, even ordinary people comment on their beauty it's not weird at all.
How do you know that they're incels?
@@bingybingy2592 Yes, they do compliment her looks, but the female idols aren’t openly hitting on Irene like the male ones are… they don’t invade her personal space and make her feel uncomfortable. 🤷🏻♀️
Not every Super Junior member is like that. I never heard Yesung, Donghae, Ryeowook or Heechul do anything like that. It is mostly Shindong and Leeteuk who make weird remarks on girls. Siwon is also strange and liked homophobic tweets, but have not seen him do anything bad to girls.
@@vixxexo6855actually ryewook did, I saw a clip of him saying he wanted to marry Krystal when she was still a kid and he was much older, because he said a fortune teller told him he should marry someone from 1994, even though at that time it was child’s age.
As an older person, I can tell you that these kinds of problems are world-wide, across time and all industries. Disgusting behavior.
For me, the most brutal part is when other women do these things to female idols and yeah I know the patriarchy is a toxic fume we all inhale, but I find it shocking regardless.
Yeah men and women are mostly equally sexist towards women it's so sad and frustrating. You know this all awareness EVERYWHERE about these kind of things doesn't seem to have an impact on society . The change is insignificant it's so frustrating why does being a female so hard and when your own gender doesn't support you is so sad
Maybe reword it to "collegues and fandom" not the idols-
Female idols can indeed be scared of male ones too, for example Taeil, Seungri, Hyuna's boyfriend, Ricky...
@@sunghanbinah I know but it isn't JUST idols and certainly not all men, women do it too
Sunoo got criticized for being fat, when he acted girly they criticized him, when he act manly they criticized him. as a person who stan sunoo its honestly heart breaking.😢
I have only ever supported girl groups, I just prefer them and always will. I am so upset however at the fact that they are always the first to blame in situations it’s not fair. The double standards in the K-pop industry are crazy, and the fact that female idols always get the worst of it really sucks. I am glad you shed some light on this topic because I have noticed this for quite a while!
JeA said “It’s not like they have a chance.” Say it again for the people in the back! Leave these girls alone!
dont these male idols have a mother or a sister
😂😂😂 don't you have Google to read about the culture?
Then you wonder why BLACKPINK don’t promote in South Korea
Exactly all blackpink haters are from Korea n Indonesia 🇮🇩 all blackpink haters wears hijab 🧕
That’s not the reason why did you not promote in South Korea the reason why they didn’t used to promote was because YG Intertainment had bad relationships with broadcasting agencies which car is the members to never go to any broadcasting agency
good choice
Thats not the reason💀
Because they are desperate for Western validation and want to become global names instead of restricting themselves into 1 country, even if that includes starring in a series that glorifies r_pe and objectifies women.
Let me tell you something. Im waiting for the next big scandal to involve fans next time. I used to be in the fandom of a lesser known male idol and let me tell you, his friends kept reaching out to one of the fans who was a Muslim girl. It was really suspicious. They seem to be honing into the most vulnerable looking girls. I left that fansom, I don't wanna talk about it, but I think this topic is not going to go away. It's gonna get worse.
The first topic is so true the girls get so much hate for acting their age and trying to spice things up and get hated on by everyone and parents cause I guess the parents can’t raise their own kids while male idols who also haveyoung fans can go and act like they are hunching the ground , take off their shirts, lick their lips and do more sexual things on stage and it’s oh oopa I love you or I love him I wish he was mine …. I’ve talked about this time and time with people still trying to argue with me like I’m wrong and their favorite line is “he also got hate for that too” …clearly not as much as the female idol did these people will go to the end of the world to make it seem like these female idols that do mature concepts and spice things up instead of being boring are sl!Ts cause if these female idols were to act cute at their grown age like yall have before yall would call them cringy good ex. Lisa whenever she acts cute she’s cringey whenever she acts her age or does mature concepts or mature and spicy things she’s a Sl!T like make up your minds these people don’t know how they want these girls to act and that’s exactly why you see more and more kpop idols don’t gaf about how you guys feel anymore and are doing them good ex. Jessi and hwasa and unfortunately saying her hyuna (her relationship is a different story) and the black pink girls but more so Lisa especially after crazy horse people were ready with the videos and the comments calling her everything and that didn’t faze her once she still posted her pictures and still had support and her haters were still watching her angry …like these female idols can’t get a break and I don’t see male idols getting as much hate as them period not saying they don’t but it don’t be as bad as the female idols I rarely see 🤢🤢🤢 under male idols instagrams but I bet you I can see that under a lot of female idols instagrams like these girls get hated on for anything and everything .
I love the fact that you put these wonderful, informative videos together and keep people in check. Please keep up the good work always
@@owl9704a fact???
@@GunillaNilsson-d9w what can i say at my age i do tend to make mistakes. Sorry
Half korean here! All my life i fly through sk and my another country. My mom is friends with two 2nd gen idols,One guy one girl. The guy and girl are/were in the same company and apparently their company would hang a list of weight of female idols and trainees for everyone to see, but for male idols? None. They also give Younger female idols more revealing clothes to attract creeps. The female friend of my mom debuted at 14 so you can see how bad this is. I myself also have friends who are trainees at big companies, some had to quit tho to almost dying from the horrible diets.
The worst part is that all the idols mentioned were my biases 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Back when I was a kid I used to think that Kpop world was like a fairytale place, now I woke up to the harsh reality realizing that it’s just one big sick industry.. I’ve stopped following so much of their content, now I only listen to music watch occasionally some variety shows of 1 or 2 of my favorite bands and move the f*ck on.. that sh*t wasn’t healthy in the first anyway, for my own wellbeing making this decision is a better alternative not to get too much into this Kpop world bcz it’s 90% fake.
Name and shame these creepy guys! Also no reason why a 11 year old is near a grown man without their parents.
I love super junior but man that was gross
11 ?! 13 ?! Literally what the actual fuck
Like I get it it’s a joke between friends me and my friends also make those type of jokes but like if she was 17 or 18 that is less scary .
11 ?! 11 ?!?! Huh ? What the actual fuck
For weight gain I can say there is a male idol who got a lot of hate even though he wasn't even fat Kim Sunoo from Enhypen... even though he was and still very young he stopped himself from eating and only drank water.
Honestly I have disconnected myself from this Kpop world way back and I am very happy about it. The songs are being average, idols are being arrogant. Netizens targeting the shit out of them making their life miserable thankfully I am out of this delusional world.
Same for a lot of the things you mentioned. A lot more too.
Never got in. Just a casual listener and I'm glad I was never obsessed
Fuck that double-standards!!!
I dont stan any GGs. But i follow a few BGs and I honestly don't like the nudity or when they act like magic Mike on stage or MVs. Being sensual and flirty is one thing, i just don't like the thirst traps.
I feel bad for female idols becase not only they suffer the ab*se from companies and superiors, they also have to endure the cruelty of the fans and haters.
Ikr they are acting like a strip club instead of a lovely and intereting concert show
@@TyTrack_127 exactly
hey, Park Jin Young definitely does NOT exploit the people who debuted under JYPE when he was CEO, because all of the groups and idols under JYPE are always very outgoing and look up to him. I could be wrong, but he probably isn’t exploiting anyone.
Maybe he did in the past. If you know the story about the "Coming for age ceremony" song and Suzy being sexualized. Also Tzuyu being sexualized while she was still a minor. I think JYPE is cool person but he may have done some "interesting" things in the past.
@@misskata8511 i 100% agree with you. but let’s not forget that he’s not the ONLY person who makes decisions.
There are degrees to it, but all these companies exploit their artists. As the person above said, maknae sexualization is particularly bad at JYP.
I agree !
His artists actually have a very good relationship with him . At least he didn’t asked his artist to freakin marry him
@@yeonchaesand asking artist to do a sexy concept for a performance or a commercial is different than personally approaching them and make sexual to relational advance to women
JYpE entertainment actually has one role for male idols , is never going to to night clubs that has women hosts ( because those clubs often similar to burning Sun and were one night stands , prostitution and even date rape drug happens and he doesn’t want his male artist to get involved
Notice every JYp artists scandal there is never a sex scandal ? He takes this shit seriously
He is actually hang out with male idols more ( he recently went on a trip with Yao Chen , a Chinese soloist under JYP to China ) and doesn’t go on trips but himself with his female artists .
His music can be very Pervy but JYP definitely is not problematic considering he is the only one in big three that hasn’t been involved in law suits . So many your male oppas are more creepy than JYP
I WAS an elf , my bias was Heechul . And I grew out of them as they get older but I am so disgusted by Leeteuk making that joke to Krystal when she was 11…. IDude how low can you get making a joke to a 11 year old …. Very disappointed but glad it’s not my boy Heechul
My boy Heechul please stop playing video games all the time and get someone to marry , you been an idol all your life you deserve to be happy
uh oh u said double standards. kpop gatekeepers are gonna be angry and complain that u dont understand its their culture.
11 SHE WAS 11 OMG THAT IS WILD
Wow Super Junior LeeTeuk is a creep?
I thought he was one of the nice Koreans that treated Charice P. well when guest at this Korean show in her early teen years. I believe she was 15 at that time
I guess he probably was targeting her with his creepiness too
I remember watching ur "why irene is scared of men" video. Female idols need justice 😔
PERIODDDD COOKING LIKE ALWAYSSSS
YASSSS FRRR
the issue here is that ggs have a male-dominated base that have unrealistic expectations especially in a country like korea where the beauty standards are harsh and female idols must fit them. Secondly lack of equal rights for women in korea affects this too cause they just expect women to be prim and proper 24/7.
This is universal, especially in the entertainment industry, not just K-pop. Most males if not all of them can't control their male instinct, once they see a beautiful naked woman they can't see her as a soul, a personality... All they see is a body and how to get their hands on it. That's why women should give more credit to themselves and follow the guidance of ALLAH (God) our creator, whose commands are to protect her and make her very valuable.
I mean I don’t blame them, some can be a bunch of creeps no offense
Exactly, but then again some female idols can be bitchy as hell
These double-standards are so messed up and outrageous
Knetz are on different level bullsh!t😂😂😂
And that is why women choose the bear.
It's so much better then male species and then they ask why women fear men like are y'all blind or what
This is diabolical and outrageous. I feel bad for women especially for the weight gain - remember when Jeongyeon started to gain weight? the backlash from that was crazy.
1 video every day? Damn how many people are working behind this channel fr 💀
It's kinda crazy that the whole world of kpop fans feel like they can control a country's social problems. They would not have cared so much otherwise if it was not for KPOP.
I think the video title is a little bit misleading "Why Female Idols HATE Male K-Pop Idols".. Yes there are a lot of/ big problems with male idols ( and entertainment figures) with power against female idols as the video mention (good content btw), but not all female idols hate male idols.. there are lots of friendships between them as well
You should do a video on youngest idols in the industry and if it’s right or wrong depending on their age
FINALLY someone spoke up about these double standard bs
Yeah it isn't talked much and if you ever do in random videos fans mostly which I bet are females start saying my idol would never or they are gentlemen like how the hell do you know that girl?! Do you live with them or what?
it’s misogyny
3:00 idk really know about that. Shindong is an exception with his heavier Figur and he was never one of the more popular members. Male idols also receive criticism for gaining weight. The only exception is when the male idol gains more muscles and therefore has a broader look which is always praised.
In conclusion: yes female idols are often faster judged for their Figur and appearance, but this is often also the result of wearing more revealing clothes on stage (which of course isn’t the idols fault). Male idols are also judged for their figures but can hide it better with longer stage outfits and broad appearance that often symbolizes muscles rather than fat.
The fact that Irene was just reading a book and got dragged for it, yet when RM read it, hes "woke"
I swear, the double standards in Kpop is crazy, but the hard stans and fandoms is insane.
현재의 한국사회는 과도한 폐미니즘에 의해 혼란이 조성중이다 ,,,,케이팝에서 일어나는 폐해가 그중 하나라고
We also need to take into account these male idols are MEN FROM KOREA before idols. The patriarchal and sexist upbringing and surroundings have and effect on their behavior, its logical (which doesn't justify it, it only explains it). So don't think your faves are all angels and start thinking what video/meme/funny moment you've seen is actually a little bit weird. You'll see there are plenty.
Entertainment Industry eveywhere should be regulated and monitored by Civil Public offices. And any overseeing company over their celebrities should have public intermediate public officers.
The whole video isn't about a war between female and male idols, but about KOREAN SOCIETY! Sometimes I believe that those of you who consume the genre don't bother to look at the background.
Ps: Some young male idols also suffer in this society, there is a toxic relationship between seniors and juniors that isn't much talked about.
This make me think about what would happen to NewJeans girls without a female protection, I think they claim for Min Hee Jin is more than just a cry for their producer. That's something that is passing under the radar.
this is why I support women instead
i don’t think it’s really fair to act like male idols don’t get hate. i understand the video is about women idols, and yes there ARE times when there’s double standards but making it seem like male idols don’t get into trouble for smoking or anything like that is crazy. didn’t seunghan from riize basically get kicked out for it? and for having a gf predebut?? i feel like there’s a way to talk about the situation without making it seem like male idols don’t have any issues
most female groups have male Korean fans, who have a problem with feminism
The industry is rotten anywhere in the world, because it involves money and power. And having power gives you the feeling that you can do anything without consequences... Until karma kicks in. In the case of Korea, the red flags started to appear because the TV programs themselves always asked strange questions that you don't see everywhere, for example, diets and weight issues. Survivor shows pushed trainees beyond their limits, which seemed absurd. The age and training time for the debut and whether you would be chosen too. In short, a lot was coming to light. After actress Ja-Yeon Jang's letter naming ALL THE ABUSERS in all spheres of the industry and almost nothing happening, it shows me that no woman there is safe. I always fear for girls and women around the world. The patriarchy treats us like products on a shelf, you pick them up, use them and throw them away. It's sick.
People need to be careful of treating every male idol with suspicion. You may as well treat everyone you know personally the same way. How many times have teachers, police officers, religious officials, relatives etc... turned out not be who even their closest friends thought.
Yeah it's true everyonebate female idols whatever they do but namjoon also got hate about culture thing but I agree female idols get alot of hate for no reason.
But he didn't 😭
@@daisydroidhe did only army's praised him not kpopies
the Jung sisters had it all, in the worst way possible
When female gains a little bit weight but on me there’s shindong lol😂
That's wild 😂
You forgot this video when Goo Hará was still a minor, she was filming with Super Junior Yesung, and another guy, I think his name is woo young? . The guy gave his business card of his bar to (at the time a minor) Hara and Yesung was trying to avoid it. Then when he left Yesung asked Hara to show him the business card and he tear it apart. Sometime later, I think that same year, the guy was found guilty for SA many minors. So, these guys do their nasty thing just even in there's cameras. They don't give a F.
Girl, Jungkook gets more hate for smoking than you can imagine, and most of the hate he receives is from girl group stans.
Who knows all these male idols who we love have something that they hide from all of us...
No male Kpop idol is inocent!! They are not pure and they are not baby!
Ladies, We got to be cautious when
Its comes to these Males Kpop Idols, I'm not saying all Males Kpop
Idols are bad Guys, we needs to cautious as fans to because we don't know these Kpop Maled Idols
Personally 24/7 ok, We don't know who they are off cameras ok, So be
cautious not to praise them much sure can support them as fan, You
can still streams their music to support them, You can listen to their
music yes, even support them claps
and cheers for them on their live stage performance ok because you
are fan support your favorite group or idol while their perform on live stage, and watch their MVs or like the fashion cloths they wears however always be cautious not to fall for them too hard, nor praise them that much neither, because
we don't know them personally in
real life 24/7 ok, We don't just because we see videoes of them
growing Up or seeing funny cute videoes of them does not means
we know them personally sure its
seem that way but ask yourself this
question ? Could they be that same
Guy that you idolized or adore love on camera, are they same Person
because behind cameras or off camera video they are not same Person understand so we don't know
who they are personally one of things you could know about Person
Is who they socialize with off camera to know some of their real
Personalities as Person by hearing
stories from other People who's not
much a fan of theirs or not a fan of these Kpop Males Idols to know what's they are about but than again
they could be paid to say this to so
we don't know for sure, I think their
all few Kpop Males that sense are
truly good Person and I believe SKZ
Felix and IN is one of few, Especially Felix He so caring and He truly, loves People, this Man went out of his way to support helpless homeless children in another Country and sprend time with them like big Brother and given them money charity for their education and shelters housing Felix is very humble sweet kind soul, So I will not hate him because how bigger his heart is, BTS Jimin,
JHOPE, Jin, and maybe Taehyung (V) to who truly has a biggest hearts in group because they so loveable caring and thoughful to other People besides their group team plus they given out alots of
their charities money to homeless and sick children foundations, mental illness, nusery homes protections, and more..💜❤🥰
So yea! And no this is not me worse ship them this is me being
proud of them doing the right thing
to help orhers besides themselves
and their Families there's nothing
wrong with that, its makes me feel
like a proud fan by them that doing
this to help change or help lives.
Translate to Korean
한 회사내에 여럿 보이그룹과 걸그룹이 같이 활동하므로 회사 동료 자격이고
,,,,여자 남자는 친구는 될수가 없고 원래 공개적인 연애는 금지가 된다
Jennie has every right to hate BTS (fandom)
I'm a big supporter of BTS but I can't stand army. We need to start separating the groups from the fandoms.
And BTS members have all the right to hate Black pink (fandom)
@@gor.emless You are a prime example of why many women in the industry face criticism. Instead of understanding my comment, you twisted it around instead of simply accepting the truth. Why can't you just acknowledge that Jennie is being verbally attacked by these boys' fandom? You're not a woman and never will be.
The day you realize that they will never take their time to acknowledge you is the day you will start standing up for women
@@gor.emless You are a prime example of why many women in the industry face backlash. Instead of understanding my comment, you twisted it around instead of simply accepting the truth. Why can't you just acknowledge that Jennie is being verbally downgraded by these boys' fandom?
@Duma2011 i feel ya, the army made BTS less likeable for me
Ofc, Super Junior had to be here...
영상 감사합니다. 한국여성들은 여러 불리한 상황에도 포기하지 않고 가부장적인 이중잣대와 싸우고 있습니다.
최근 딥페이크를 반대하는 시위를 열어 열기를 보여주기도 했습니다.
외국인들도 관심 가져주니 든든하네요.
🙏❤