262 - A Quick & Dirty 2lb Cut of Shellac

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    If you ever research mixing shellac, you were probably overwhelmed with information about precise measurements, including weights and volumes. I say screw the scales and graduated cylinders and let's get down and dirty with this quick and simple 2lb cut recipe.
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  • @whateverittakes3429
    @whateverittakes3429 8 років тому

    Very informative.
    I'm surprised I hadn't seen this in your older videos.
    Me thinks I may need to review the archives.
    Thanks Marc

  • @nmackos
    @nmackos 8 років тому

    was so stoked for two new videos... and then I realized they were reposts and I cried a little

  • @WoodByWright
    @WoodByWright 8 років тому +1

    sweet! More people should make their own!

  • @MikeKapotsy
    @MikeKapotsy 8 років тому +2

    Whoa, flashback! Like you used the Delorean time machine there LOL.

  • @emulumqurkool8174
    @emulumqurkool8174 8 років тому +1

    Dip the bottle in 80 - 90 degree Celsius water( more if the bottle is glass & off course with the cap loose ), for 20 - 25 minutes, you don't have to shake it at all, all dissolves properly.

  • @mhaz49
    @mhaz49 8 років тому

    Great tip about grinding the flakes. Definitely speeds up the dissolve time.

  • @rcrpike
    @rcrpike 8 років тому +1

    the irony of an Italian using a jar of Bertolli sauce as a mixing vessel

  • @williambosco6004
    @williambosco6004 8 років тому

    when working on very old furniture garnet shellac is the best, it's a great color

  • @MattDiresta
    @MattDiresta 8 років тому +1

    more great info!

  • @emostorm7
    @emostorm7 6 років тому

    I love the smell of several solvents, to a degree. I'm mixing shellac for the first time today

  • @CharlesSnyder
    @CharlesSnyder 8 років тому +1

    Did you mention shelf life? Is there one for the "big bottle" of it?

  • @MrAndrewmcgibbon
    @MrAndrewmcgibbon 8 років тому

    if this was a cooking recipe video someone would ask: "Will this work if i use a pickle jar?"
    I like the color Amber Shellac gives light colored woods, Especially maple which is kind of hard to stain. I've seen Garnet shellac flakes and I'm curious of how much more color they might impart. Have you used them?

  • @mypony891
    @mypony891 4 роки тому

    I've got a quart of shellac I bought from the store so I suppose it's a 3lbs cut. I'm wiping a thin coat on with a rag. I'm trying to shellac an old plane handle but I can't even get one side of the handle shellacked before it starts to become tacky when I'm trying to even out the coat. This makes a bunch of streaks on the piece. What an I doing wrong?

  • @katzmosestools
    @katzmosestools 8 років тому +3

    You couldn't have worn a better shirt for all the reposts. 1.21 gigawatts Marty!

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому +1

      +Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop yeah a happy accident for sure! :)

    • @KBorham
      @KBorham 3 роки тому +1

      Doc uses the more precise "jigawatts"

  • @bobmackenzie6337
    @bobmackenzie6337 2 роки тому

    Grinding the flakes in a coffee grinder is a very good idea that I like to use as well. I get my shellac flakes from a great company in India. I usually buy a couple of kilograms at a time. It keeps forever in a cool dry place. I use the stuff a lot but never more than maybe a quarter or half a cup at a time. To make a one-pound mix I add 1/4 cup of methyl hydrate or denatured alcohol to one teaspoon of finely ground dewaxed flakes. I usually use a two-pound mix so I use two teaspoons or one tablespoon to 1/4 cup methal-hydrate. I brush it where necessary and wipe it on where that works best.
    I carve burl bowls so the outside is always heavily contoured and the inside smooth so I use a brush on the outside first then work on the inside. I brush on about three coats on the inside then sand it with 800 grit paper to take off the little hairy bits and drips if any then I coat it with three more coats with a cotton ball wrapped in cotton cloth. The company I buy the flakes from wraps the material in plastic then again in a heavy cotton almost canvas bag. The stuff is great for making wipe rags.

    • @gimax4689
      @gimax4689 2 роки тому

      Hello ! If it's alright, could I please ask you for the names of the suppliers ? I tried Amazon but not getting good options. Thank you !

    • @bobmackenzie6337
      @bobmackenzie6337 2 роки тому

      @@gimax4689 I could order some for you. They normally sell only large quantities. Where do you live?

    • @MataH1
      @MataH1 Рік тому

      is methyl hydrate the same thing as methylated spirits?

    • @bobmackenzie6337
      @bobmackenzie6337 Рік тому +1

      @@MataH1 I am not sure about methylated spirits. If you have some, pour a little on metal surface. If it evaporates very quickly it might be the same .
      Methyl Hydrate or equivalent is available easily at any hardware store if you explain what you want I should think. It is a very common material used for many different things. Great for clearing gas and diesel lines of ice and water.

    • @MataH1
      @MataH1 Рік тому

      @@bobmackenzie6337 thanks for answering. Yes I'll check that.

  • @davidclarke5313
    @davidclarke5313 8 років тому +1

    "The cure for it is to get more alcohol". I like this video ;-)

  • @securityfirst2990
    @securityfirst2990 5 років тому

    So its 50/50 for a 2ld cut.
    Is it right to asume 25/75 will produce a 1ld cut?

  • @hammerman2002
    @hammerman2002 8 років тому

    If someone in the house has a jewelry cleaner or brass case cleaning from reloading, cap it loosely and throw the jar in. Sonication does wonders for speeding up dissolution!

  • @trueleyes
    @trueleyes 2 роки тому

    MARK, I need help. Here in California, I can't buy Denatured Alcohol, can I use something Else with my Bull' Eye Shellac?

  • @benkleschinsky
    @benkleschinsky 4 роки тому

    I wonder how much shellac I should buy in order to complete a large office desk.

  • @joelgraff6550
    @joelgraff6550 8 років тому +1

    My first thought was that you dyed your hair. Good info. Thanks!

    • @joelgraff6550
      @joelgraff6550 8 років тому

      +Joel Graff I see you mentioned the hair dying already in an earlier video from today...guess I'm not too original.

  • @dhoffmaneye
    @dhoffmaneye 8 років тому +1

    didn't recognize you without the ink on the buff arms.

  • @lancesurgeon7614
    @lancesurgeon7614 8 років тому

    Hoping for a TWW live in the near future.

  • @rafaelmolina1903
    @rafaelmolina1903 Рік тому

    can Use alcohol from the pharmacy or isopropyl alcohol? I did not get denatured :/

  • @WesHamstra
    @WesHamstra 8 років тому

    I was starting to wonder how you got rid of your tats.., then i read the description

  • @joesbarbecue1
    @joesbarbecue1 3 роки тому

    La, la, la! Instead of buying a new one for the shop, take the old one from the house and replace it with a fancy spankin' new one!
    "Take it to lunch with you."
    I thought you were going to pour it on your salad.
    It is edible you know.
    Thanks for the video.

  •  8 років тому

    you shouldn't rush if u work with natural materials... they needs time... because of no time the people today use all of this other plastic things...
    I use isopropanol for my shellac... and let it stay overnight if I need for the next day...
    German greeting from Taiwan :)

  • @gabrielgarciawoowworks
    @gabrielgarciawoowworks 8 років тому

    Wow. The tattoo removers worked wonders ;)

  • @crazethedave
    @crazethedave 8 років тому +3

    those sideburns...

  • @jeffjones5257
    @jeffjones5257 8 років тому

    Unrelated question ... I see you have a Woodpeckers T-square. I'm going to buy one. Would you recommend 24 or 32". Was leaning 32 for cabinet/sheet goods.

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +Jeff Jones I'd go 32 if you're using it for sheetgoods. Longer the better.

    • @jeffjones5257
      @jeffjones5257 8 років тому

      +The Wood Whisperer thanks Marc.

  • @JuanRamirez-on4kf
    @JuanRamirez-on4kf 8 років тому

    Have you ever tried using shellac as a sealer then spraying clear coat on top of it as a finish then force dry it? I tried it and the poly clear coat blisters. Was wondering if you had ever tried it.

    • @Timinator62
      @Timinator62 8 років тому

      +Juan Ramirez Don't force it dry...I'm not really sure what your idea of force drying is, but I'm pretty sure you mean Hot Air Gun...which is a no no with shellac, you turn it back into liquid.

  • @ondrejroberto2896
    @ondrejroberto2896 5 років тому

    Thanks. It is a normal drinkable alcohol used as a base for many spirits , which was poisoned by 5% of methanol. Yes, it smells good.

  • @markfritz315
    @markfritz315 8 років тому +3

    I love the smell of denatured alcohol in the morning. That and coffee.

  • @philipharris6303
    @philipharris6303 4 роки тому

    Another way to add length to the cure time is to add 1 tsp of turpentine per 4 ounces of solution. It will extend dry time.

    • @bobmackenzie6337
      @bobmackenzie6337 2 роки тому

      Just a suggestion; I use methal hydrate to melt the flakes after I grind them. It dries much quicker and is good for small projects drying quickly. For bigger projects like a harvest table, I mix a little gasoline into the metal hydrate to slow it down. Turpentine seems to change the colour and be sticky.

  • @PaulLockwood
    @PaulLockwood 7 років тому

    Now I know I'm now mathematician, but my maths is reasonable. Surely you should grind your flakes first then put just under double the height in the jar for the mix. As it is you ,must be doing something like a 1 - 1.5lb cut as there is a lot of liquid going in there.
    Good informative video though as I'm about to start mixing my own for the first time for wood turning.

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  7 років тому

      It's less about math and more about knowing what a 2 lb cut should look/feel like. In my experience, this method gets darn close to a 2 lb cut. But shellac isn't the kind of finish where you need to be worried about it too much. If it's too thick, thin it out. If it's too thin, add a few more flakes.

  • @wonebul8807
    @wonebul8807 8 років тому +1

    Really nice video - as always! But please never fill any kind of chemicals or other stuff in a food container. Many kids are hurt every year by drinking such stuff by accident. And you have two really cute ones at home and around your shop...

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому +1

      +wonebul The minute my children are in my shop completely unattended is the minute I've failed as a parent. I see where you're going, but having other common sense safety protocols in place would prevent the child from making contact in the first place.

  • @brandonhoffman4712
    @brandonhoffman4712 5 місяців тому

    California has no denatured or 190pf everclear...
    Im testing 99% isopropyl right now, It dissolved well.
    Sure beats mohawks shellac reducer on price... mohawk wants like $26 per quart... Can i get an F in chat for that pricing!
    Ill be testing application here soon. Unfortunatley, i have never used any shellac. So my testing will be biased on the greatest order...

  • @Nizaammosesguitarist
    @Nizaammosesguitarist 3 роки тому

    Hi there, thanks great vid, i followed your exact methods, but for some reason my mixture came out very merky (milky), . i used 99% denatured alcohol, even when i use Spirits it come merky.I ran another test with the same measurements but this time i used 70% alcohol hand sanitizer "With this mix the shellac looked exactly the way it should, transparent orange shellac. I mixed it last night and the flakes were laying at the bottom, woke up this morning and it was all dissolved. Help LOL.UPDATE: i started shaking it alot and it seems to be clearing up!!

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  3 роки тому

      Are you in California? Some states have tight restrictions on this stuff and their mineral spirits and denatured alcohol are the crappy environmentally friendly versions, which start out milky.

  • @howycwap
    @howycwap 8 років тому

    And what do us Canadians use? (We dont have denatured alcohol) Ive heard people say use rubbing alcohol or isopropyl, but neither of those are exactly the same compound, only close.

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +howycwap and close is usually good enough. Isoproyl, methanol/wood alcohol and methylated spirits are the things I hear most folks up north using.

    • @SuperBuzzbomb
      @SuperBuzzbomb 8 років тому

      +howycwap See id you can get some Everclear. That's what we use when we need to make some shellac for instrument making.

    • @howycwap
      @howycwap 8 років тому

      +The Wood Whisperer Wasnt sure if it would evaporate the same way or make it cloudy, but might as well try it! Thanks...now to just find some shellac flakes

  • @oscaryuan7812
    @oscaryuan7812 8 років тому

    In regards to shellac, I heard you can use coffee filter to, er, filter before use. thoughts?

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +Oscar Yuan Not a bad idea if you're using the shellac as the primary topcoat. Might be some undissolved bits or bugs in there.

    • @oscaryuan7812
      @oscaryuan7812 8 років тому

      +The Wood Whisperer I meant using coffee filter as opposed to paint filter as kind of a "life hack." would the coffee filter do as good of a job as a paint filter?

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому +1

      +Oscar Yuan Yup. The stuff in shellac would be rather large so you don't need an extremely fine filter to capture it.

  • @kentchr76
    @kentchr76 8 років тому

    Does Shellac protect the wood too, or is it just color?

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +kentchr76 Shellac does offer protection. It's a classic finish that works quite well. But most feel it isn't as protective as other types of modern finishes so it's sort of fallen out of favor.

    • @kentchr76
      @kentchr76 8 років тому

      +The Wood Whisperer Ah okay. I love the look of it. Thanks.

  • @vallejokid1968
    @vallejokid1968 8 років тому

    I forgot about the sideburns

  • @ronbooth8153
    @ronbooth8153 8 років тому

    Spok

  • @quinnleffingwell6628
    @quinnleffingwell6628 8 років тому

    You looked much more Italian back then 😂

  • @FriedEggsMegee
    @FriedEggsMegee 8 років тому

    Jig or not to Jig Dovetales

  • @MikeKapotsy
    @MikeKapotsy 8 років тому

    No Salt n Pepa here boys! 😉

  • @tomj528
    @tomj528 4 роки тому

    The worst part of this video was finding out that you're using jarred sauce. Good God man, make your own with two 28oz cans of crushed tomatoes! Shellac was the finish for hundreds of year and they didn't have graduated anything, digital scales or coffee grinders. Good to see a nice "seat of your pants" technique.

    • @bobmackenzie6337
      @bobmackenzie6337 2 роки тому +1

      Try one teaspoon of ground flakes to one-quarter cup of alcohol or methal-hydrate for a one-pound mix. Two teaspoons of ground flakes to one quarter cup methal-hydrate for a two-pound mix etc.

    • @Goofhonk
      @Goofhonk Рік тому

      @@bobmackenzie6337 Strangest spaghetti sauce recipe ever. But I'm willing to try it. Thx!

  • @Timinator62
    @Timinator62 8 років тому

    Add oil ( mineral, raw linseed etc.) not alcohol to slow drying...adding alcohol will thin the cut and make drying faster. Google French Polishing

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +Timinator62 lol I know what French Polishing is. And I have found that if the finish starts to stick, thinning it helps give me a little more working time. Admittedly I have never worked with other additives to act as a retarder, but thinning does work for me.

  • @grconnors
    @grconnors 8 років тому

    i love the smell too..

  • @ruben00110010
    @ruben00110010 8 років тому

    Your videos get better with age and develop a nice patina.

  • @quint150
    @quint150 8 років тому

    How old is this vid? LOL

  • @sooth15
    @sooth15 8 років тому

    8-10 hours??? Come on. I make shellac from flakes all the time (for antiques restoration), and it takes nowhere near that long to dissolve. Maybe an hour at the absolute max. I also never measure mine. I eyeball everything. I just pour the flakes into a container, and barely cover it with alcohol. I cover it, leave sit, and if I want an even thicker mix, I add more flakes. This makes maybe a 5-10lb cut? It takes much fewer coats to build a finish if you make a heavier mix. With a 2lb cut I'd need over 10-12 coats (brushed heavily) to build a half decent film that can be polished without cutting through. A 1lb cut is practically water.
    The benefits of shellac are that the dry flakes last forever. Once mixed, however, use it within a few days. I only make what I need, and it's easy to just make more.

    • @woodwhisperer
      @woodwhisperer  8 років тому

      +sooth15 Well, your experience differs from mine apparently. :) I have found it can take hours and most publications agree with me, recommending overnight wait periods for the stuff to completely dissolve. I can honestly say that I have never been able to get un-ground shellac flakes to dissolve in an hour. As mentioned in the video, even the ground stuff took about three hours to dissolve.

    • @sooth15
      @sooth15 8 років тому

      +The Wood Whisperer That's very bizarre. I just use common "orange shellac" flakes from Lee Valley, and I dissolve them in Methyl Hydrate (aka methanol, or wood alcohol, Canada's version of denatured alcohol). Maybe I'm exaggerating the times, but it seems to me from memory that it doesn't take much more than an hour. In about a dozen minutes the flakes are already softened. I've never had to wait overnight. If the prep time was this long I would use it much less often.

    • @sooth15
      @sooth15 8 років тому

      +sooth15 Alright, so I just wanted to follow-up again because I just made a small batch (less than 1/2 cup) of shellac. The amount of time it took to dissolve the flakes was about 15-20 minutes.