262 - A Quick & Dirty 2lb Cut of Shellac
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If you ever research mixing shellac, you were probably overwhelmed with information about precise measurements, including weights and volumes. I say screw the scales and graduated cylinders and let's get down and dirty with this quick and simple 2lb cut recipe.
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Very informative.
I'm surprised I hadn't seen this in your older videos.
Me thinks I may need to review the archives.
Thanks Marc
was so stoked for two new videos... and then I realized they were reposts and I cried a little
sweet! More people should make their own!
Whoa, flashback! Like you used the Delorean time machine there LOL.
Dip the bottle in 80 - 90 degree Celsius water( more if the bottle is glass & off course with the cap loose ), for 20 - 25 minutes, you don't have to shake it at all, all dissolves properly.
Great tip about grinding the flakes. Definitely speeds up the dissolve time.
the irony of an Italian using a jar of Bertolli sauce as a mixing vessel
when working on very old furniture garnet shellac is the best, it's a great color
more great info!
I love the smell of several solvents, to a degree. I'm mixing shellac for the first time today
checking in with you bud, you ok?
Did you mention shelf life? Is there one for the "big bottle" of it?
if this was a cooking recipe video someone would ask: "Will this work if i use a pickle jar?"
I like the color Amber Shellac gives light colored woods, Especially maple which is kind of hard to stain. I've seen Garnet shellac flakes and I'm curious of how much more color they might impart. Have you used them?
I've got a quart of shellac I bought from the store so I suppose it's a 3lbs cut. I'm wiping a thin coat on with a rag. I'm trying to shellac an old plane handle but I can't even get one side of the handle shellacked before it starts to become tacky when I'm trying to even out the coat. This makes a bunch of streaks on the piece. What an I doing wrong?
You couldn't have worn a better shirt for all the reposts. 1.21 gigawatts Marty!
+Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop yeah a happy accident for sure! :)
Doc uses the more precise "jigawatts"
Grinding the flakes in a coffee grinder is a very good idea that I like to use as well. I get my shellac flakes from a great company in India. I usually buy a couple of kilograms at a time. It keeps forever in a cool dry place. I use the stuff a lot but never more than maybe a quarter or half a cup at a time. To make a one-pound mix I add 1/4 cup of methyl hydrate or denatured alcohol to one teaspoon of finely ground dewaxed flakes. I usually use a two-pound mix so I use two teaspoons or one tablespoon to 1/4 cup methal-hydrate. I brush it where necessary and wipe it on where that works best.
I carve burl bowls so the outside is always heavily contoured and the inside smooth so I use a brush on the outside first then work on the inside. I brush on about three coats on the inside then sand it with 800 grit paper to take off the little hairy bits and drips if any then I coat it with three more coats with a cotton ball wrapped in cotton cloth. The company I buy the flakes from wraps the material in plastic then again in a heavy cotton almost canvas bag. The stuff is great for making wipe rags.
Hello ! If it's alright, could I please ask you for the names of the suppliers ? I tried Amazon but not getting good options. Thank you !
@@gimax4689 I could order some for you. They normally sell only large quantities. Where do you live?
is methyl hydrate the same thing as methylated spirits?
@@MataH1 I am not sure about methylated spirits. If you have some, pour a little on metal surface. If it evaporates very quickly it might be the same .
Methyl Hydrate or equivalent is available easily at any hardware store if you explain what you want I should think. It is a very common material used for many different things. Great for clearing gas and diesel lines of ice and water.
@@bobmackenzie6337 thanks for answering. Yes I'll check that.
"The cure for it is to get more alcohol". I like this video ;-)
So its 50/50 for a 2ld cut.
Is it right to asume 25/75 will produce a 1ld cut?
If someone in the house has a jewelry cleaner or brass case cleaning from reloading, cap it loosely and throw the jar in. Sonication does wonders for speeding up dissolution!
MARK, I need help. Here in California, I can't buy Denatured Alcohol, can I use something Else with my Bull' Eye Shellac?
I wonder how much shellac I should buy in order to complete a large office desk.
My first thought was that you dyed your hair. Good info. Thanks!
+Joel Graff I see you mentioned the hair dying already in an earlier video from today...guess I'm not too original.
didn't recognize you without the ink on the buff arms.
Hoping for a TWW live in the near future.
can Use alcohol from the pharmacy or isopropyl alcohol? I did not get denatured :/
I was starting to wonder how you got rid of your tats.., then i read the description
La, la, la! Instead of buying a new one for the shop, take the old one from the house and replace it with a fancy spankin' new one!
"Take it to lunch with you."
I thought you were going to pour it on your salad.
It is edible you know.
Thanks for the video.
you shouldn't rush if u work with natural materials... they needs time... because of no time the people today use all of this other plastic things...
I use isopropanol for my shellac... and let it stay overnight if I need for the next day...
German greeting from Taiwan :)
Wow. The tattoo removers worked wonders ;)
those sideburns...
Unrelated question ... I see you have a Woodpeckers T-square. I'm going to buy one. Would you recommend 24 or 32". Was leaning 32 for cabinet/sheet goods.
+Jeff Jones I'd go 32 if you're using it for sheetgoods. Longer the better.
+The Wood Whisperer thanks Marc.
Have you ever tried using shellac as a sealer then spraying clear coat on top of it as a finish then force dry it? I tried it and the poly clear coat blisters. Was wondering if you had ever tried it.
+Juan Ramirez Don't force it dry...I'm not really sure what your idea of force drying is, but I'm pretty sure you mean Hot Air Gun...which is a no no with shellac, you turn it back into liquid.
Thanks. It is a normal drinkable alcohol used as a base for many spirits , which was poisoned by 5% of methanol. Yes, it smells good.
I love the smell of denatured alcohol in the morning. That and coffee.
Another way to add length to the cure time is to add 1 tsp of turpentine per 4 ounces of solution. It will extend dry time.
Just a suggestion; I use methal hydrate to melt the flakes after I grind them. It dries much quicker and is good for small projects drying quickly. For bigger projects like a harvest table, I mix a little gasoline into the metal hydrate to slow it down. Turpentine seems to change the colour and be sticky.
Now I know I'm now mathematician, but my maths is reasonable. Surely you should grind your flakes first then put just under double the height in the jar for the mix. As it is you ,must be doing something like a 1 - 1.5lb cut as there is a lot of liquid going in there.
Good informative video though as I'm about to start mixing my own for the first time for wood turning.
It's less about math and more about knowing what a 2 lb cut should look/feel like. In my experience, this method gets darn close to a 2 lb cut. But shellac isn't the kind of finish where you need to be worried about it too much. If it's too thick, thin it out. If it's too thin, add a few more flakes.
Really nice video - as always! But please never fill any kind of chemicals or other stuff in a food container. Many kids are hurt every year by drinking such stuff by accident. And you have two really cute ones at home and around your shop...
+wonebul The minute my children are in my shop completely unattended is the minute I've failed as a parent. I see where you're going, but having other common sense safety protocols in place would prevent the child from making contact in the first place.
California has no denatured or 190pf everclear...
Im testing 99% isopropyl right now, It dissolved well.
Sure beats mohawks shellac reducer on price... mohawk wants like $26 per quart... Can i get an F in chat for that pricing!
Ill be testing application here soon. Unfortunatley, i have never used any shellac. So my testing will be biased on the greatest order...
Hi there, thanks great vid, i followed your exact methods, but for some reason my mixture came out very merky (milky), . i used 99% denatured alcohol, even when i use Spirits it come merky.I ran another test with the same measurements but this time i used 70% alcohol hand sanitizer "With this mix the shellac looked exactly the way it should, transparent orange shellac. I mixed it last night and the flakes were laying at the bottom, woke up this morning and it was all dissolved. Help LOL.UPDATE: i started shaking it alot and it seems to be clearing up!!
Are you in California? Some states have tight restrictions on this stuff and their mineral spirits and denatured alcohol are the crappy environmentally friendly versions, which start out milky.
And what do us Canadians use? (We dont have denatured alcohol) Ive heard people say use rubbing alcohol or isopropyl, but neither of those are exactly the same compound, only close.
+howycwap and close is usually good enough. Isoproyl, methanol/wood alcohol and methylated spirits are the things I hear most folks up north using.
+howycwap See id you can get some Everclear. That's what we use when we need to make some shellac for instrument making.
+The Wood Whisperer Wasnt sure if it would evaporate the same way or make it cloudy, but might as well try it! Thanks...now to just find some shellac flakes
In regards to shellac, I heard you can use coffee filter to, er, filter before use. thoughts?
+Oscar Yuan Not a bad idea if you're using the shellac as the primary topcoat. Might be some undissolved bits or bugs in there.
+The Wood Whisperer I meant using coffee filter as opposed to paint filter as kind of a "life hack." would the coffee filter do as good of a job as a paint filter?
+Oscar Yuan Yup. The stuff in shellac would be rather large so you don't need an extremely fine filter to capture it.
Does Shellac protect the wood too, or is it just color?
+kentchr76 Shellac does offer protection. It's a classic finish that works quite well. But most feel it isn't as protective as other types of modern finishes so it's sort of fallen out of favor.
+The Wood Whisperer Ah okay. I love the look of it. Thanks.
I forgot about the sideburns
Spok
You looked much more Italian back then 😂
Jig or not to Jig Dovetales
No Salt n Pepa here boys! 😉
The worst part of this video was finding out that you're using jarred sauce. Good God man, make your own with two 28oz cans of crushed tomatoes! Shellac was the finish for hundreds of year and they didn't have graduated anything, digital scales or coffee grinders. Good to see a nice "seat of your pants" technique.
Try one teaspoon of ground flakes to one-quarter cup of alcohol or methal-hydrate for a one-pound mix. Two teaspoons of ground flakes to one quarter cup methal-hydrate for a two-pound mix etc.
@@bobmackenzie6337 Strangest spaghetti sauce recipe ever. But I'm willing to try it. Thx!
Add oil ( mineral, raw linseed etc.) not alcohol to slow drying...adding alcohol will thin the cut and make drying faster. Google French Polishing
+Timinator62 lol I know what French Polishing is. And I have found that if the finish starts to stick, thinning it helps give me a little more working time. Admittedly I have never worked with other additives to act as a retarder, but thinning does work for me.
i love the smell too..
Your videos get better with age and develop a nice patina.
How old is this vid? LOL
8-10 hours??? Come on. I make shellac from flakes all the time (for antiques restoration), and it takes nowhere near that long to dissolve. Maybe an hour at the absolute max. I also never measure mine. I eyeball everything. I just pour the flakes into a container, and barely cover it with alcohol. I cover it, leave sit, and if I want an even thicker mix, I add more flakes. This makes maybe a 5-10lb cut? It takes much fewer coats to build a finish if you make a heavier mix. With a 2lb cut I'd need over 10-12 coats (brushed heavily) to build a half decent film that can be polished without cutting through. A 1lb cut is practically water.
The benefits of shellac are that the dry flakes last forever. Once mixed, however, use it within a few days. I only make what I need, and it's easy to just make more.
+sooth15 Well, your experience differs from mine apparently. :) I have found it can take hours and most publications agree with me, recommending overnight wait periods for the stuff to completely dissolve. I can honestly say that I have never been able to get un-ground shellac flakes to dissolve in an hour. As mentioned in the video, even the ground stuff took about three hours to dissolve.
+The Wood Whisperer That's very bizarre. I just use common "orange shellac" flakes from Lee Valley, and I dissolve them in Methyl Hydrate (aka methanol, or wood alcohol, Canada's version of denatured alcohol). Maybe I'm exaggerating the times, but it seems to me from memory that it doesn't take much more than an hour. In about a dozen minutes the flakes are already softened. I've never had to wait overnight. If the prep time was this long I would use it much less often.
+sooth15 Alright, so I just wanted to follow-up again because I just made a small batch (less than 1/2 cup) of shellac. The amount of time it took to dissolve the flakes was about 15-20 minutes.