Much love Hamilton! Appreciate you getting the word out for our survey, as you pointed out, the prohibitionist context around kratom skews the discussion away from objective, scientific facts and more towards fitting each side's politics. With luck, this survey will serve as a touchstone for conversations regarding kratom use going into the future. Hope everyone enjoys our chat!
Hmm. Im drinking my kratom everyday with the "slur" they were talking about. I've done it for 4 years. I dont feel anything negative from doing that. I feel more effect of the kratom when drinking the slur, than doing a tea and filter it. Much more effect. Because some of the psychoactive chemicals in kratom, is not water soluble
@@vipr1142 I think there is a sense in which even a technical, scientific perspective can bury simple, obvious sense, at least in some people. (The forest and the trees, all that.) Kratom use only being allowed under the supervision of medical professionals... What? That's...dumb. And it translates to me as, "Here I am to take away your simple pleasures and freedoms. Except booze! You will still be allowed to drink yourself into an early grave." How about caffeine? Nicotine? Weed? Do we need the supervision of medical professionals with those? Where was Hamilton's philosophy of personal freedom, which he voices so loudly and clearly in his show? Was he intimidated by this guy's credentials? I'm disappointed. And so heartily sick of this stupid debate over this silly, innocuous tea shit.
@@billscannell93 Yeah, so we went ahead, and put your account on hold, why don’t you make an appointment with one of these psychiatrists (see list on other side of this post). You will need a letter, clearing you to comment, plus they’ll need to be present and approve any comments you wish to post, until further notice. That’s going to be just terrific. Thanks, PS- You didn’t get the memo? Bill Lemberg
@Joey Maxon I've been taking kratom every day for over a year. I'm doing very well in life. What did you take, gas station extract? I only drink 100% pure, unaltered powder.
About using Kratom in a medical setting, I disagree. The low cost is what makes it so great. If I had to go to a doctor to get Kratom I couldn't afford it.
Exactly right. Sadly our Golden Age of kratom, may be slipping away - as "Big Kratom" profiteers push "Regulation" schemes to greedy State legislators who see $ dollars $ in Taxes and fees.... Kratom IS an herbal supplement. NOT a drug !!!
@@greenmanalishi6086 I wouldn't call it a "supplement" though. Supplements are more-so things that we take to supplement our daily dietary nutrition (Vitamins, probiotics, etc.). I think "herbal remedy" would fit the bill better.
oh for sure, you can get $70 split kilos that could last you a few months with response usage. cost way less than what the doc is gonna prescribe. i know, i know there are people that abuse this plant. dont be a a-hole like them and you will be fine
Chronic pain patients have suffered more than anyone can possibly know due to the war on opioids. Even my 85 year old grandmother had her hydrocodone dosage cut in half by a new doctor which caused her to go into withdrawal symptoms, and this was 1 year prior to her dying from cancer, for fucks sake. The US tends to do absolutely nothing about problems until they are so insanely bad that they go crazy and swing all the way to the other side, so incredibly far in the opposite direction that it ends up harming more people than helping.
Yes I was on Tramadole from dec 2019 till Jan 2020 for osteoarthritis I was under a low income clinic. Now that I have $ and H Ins. This new Dr. im under did not prescribed me it to me...it's confusing I thought that once I had H Ins...I would get better quality med.
@@user-qk7yy8xi3q Drs have been scared into not prescribing at all. The dea is enforcing a guideline as a law which it is not a law. Drs are getting arrested, losing everything they own before seeing even a judge for prescribing lower than the guideline amount. Unless a person is days away from dying in hospice they don't get pain relief & a lot of times not even then.
Most of the comments I read are positive, advocating for kratom. As a heavy kratom user for many years, I wanted to offer another perspective about my experience. Initially, kratom was a good thing for me after a lengthy car accident recovery, and getting back into the work force as an electrician by trade. There's no doubt it can have benefits in the short term, but there is a cost in the long run that most don't talk about, acknowledge, or are even aware of the gradual side effects that take place (partly because habitual use feels normal, and most don't take extended breaks to see how it makes them feel & if they can function without it). I've discovered most don't do that simply because they're dependent on it, which I have been multiple times over the last decade. Depending on one's circumstance, it's a very easy substance to abuse, as it's very difficult to know exactly how much you're consuming and what other material might be present. Most long term users purchase it in bulk, and the testing / measuring processes used are usually lacking, or nonexistent. Because it's cheap, it's easy to simply build a tolerance and take more and more of it to get the desired effects. It's easy to sustain that habit of ingestion for a long time without crazy side effects, but eventually they do catch up with you. There's a certain level of cognitive complacency that starts to take place. One can begin to feel like everything is okay, when it's not. Motivation to stay on top of life and keep progressing can take a huge hit. It did with me and several others I know. It can begin to make your hair fall out, and have skin issues. I honestly think it negatively impacts your natural immune system as well, and impacts your ability to heal quickly. It can act as appetite suppressant, almost like a supplement, and a substitute for a healthier diet. I know a lot of people end up using alcohol less, but I don't hear a lot about smoking habits. Nearly everyone I've ever met increased their cigarette consumption while taking kratom...as it did me. That obviously isn't a good thing. If you're someone like myself, who works in construction, doing manual labor, it's easy for it to become a crutch. I know people who take it just to deal with mundane office jobs as well. There's no way you can take it to just get assistance with body pain, as it acts a mild mood enhancement as well. That's where the danger of abuse comes from. It takes significantly more of the substance to get that "feeling." I, for one, fell victim to that. Relying on it to "feel better" mentally only dismisses the root of the problems and potentially keeps you from engaging in other healthier options to optimize mood....like going to the gym for example. If/when you decide to mitigate that conundrum, you have stop taking it for awhile and if you're a heavy user, it's a pretty shitty withdrawal for a lot of people who've engaged in prolonged use. Body aches, cold/flu like symptoms, brutal RLS resulting in little-to-no sleep for the first few evenings. It's damn near impossible to do any physical work for several days, so you have to kind of plan it out ....unless it's a VERY gradual taper. It's Make no mistake, it's not a benign substance, and works similarly to methadone as mu opioid antagonist. If you know anything about methadone, or those who've been on it for years, then you know how difficult it is to get off it, and the post acute withdrawal symptoms (PAWS) that can take place once you have. Getting off kratom often has side effects down the road not many acknowledge might be directly caused from its prolonged use. I've been through it multiple times, and it sucks. I've come off every opioid imaginable over the last 27 years, and in no way would I say kratom isn't comparable to the rest of them; both during use, and upon quitting. Sure, the risks are lower, but it's important to be honest about what it is, and what it can do. I think it should be legal, but regulated in some form so it can be safely consumed. There are too many impurities in 50% of the imported kratom. There need to be standards, proper testing, education, and licenses required to sell it (like weed is here in Oregon). Yes, it needs to remain affordable, so I disagree with anyone who thinks it needs to be administered by medical professionals only. That's when it becomes no longer available to those without insurance. Here in the States, that'd be a very bad thing .....as we have one of worst, most expensive, least efficient health care systems in the developed world. Getting help is already difficult enough (look at the cost of methadone every month for an addict - if you don't know). The system is broken, which why kratom is such a great option for so many. We're becoming more conscious about diet, exercise, and spiritual health......but mental health is only getting worse as a whole. Without addressing those issues properly, and ending this bullshit war on drugs....it's gonna take a long while before the situation improves. The one drug that should be legal and an affordable option for ALL addicts of any kind - is Iboga/ Ibogaine. If you're an addict, and happen to read this.... I highly suggest you look into getting someplace you can do a session with it. Many of us keep trying to mitigate our issues with a lesser evil, but the goal should always be to be void of dependence on anything that negatively impacts your health (which kratom will over time guaranteed). We don't realize the source of our addictions until we really do the work to find the source. Iboga goes beyond destroying habits, but can put you in a position to see things you couldn't before. Many psychedelics have that ability (like Ayahuasca), but the more difficult the journey, usually the more beneficial. I'm advocate for all drugs, as it's the only way society is going to be intellectually honest about the positive end, and how to use them responsibly. Kratom needs to remain accessible to the larger population, but unfortunately, most of the developed world treats all substances as an all or nothing issue that is only justified in a for-profit healthcare system. Just use kratom responsibly, in moderation, without excessive doses, and take breaks from it periodically....I can't urge that enough. I'd also remain cognizant and vigilant about improving your health beyond what kratom can offer. That should be the goal....to no longer use it. Fuck the war on drugs. All the best everyone.
@@hollie13ulloa depends what part of of the withdrawals. I’d say early on, the first day or two are pretty mild. Maybe a 2 compared to heroin. Day 3 is probably between a 3-5, as the body aches/pains/ and RLS are pretty bad with most. It’s very difficult to sleep, if at all. That can last for 2-3 nights, then it’s basically over. The longer post acute withdrawal symptoms are worse in a lot of people. To me they’re far worse than the drugs you listed. It’s on par with methadone. Could take several months for some to feel like their old selves, while others it’s only a few weeks. Depends on how healthy the individual is, & how much effort they’re making with diet & exercise; along with other lifestyle choices, obviously.
Extremely well said. The problem with prohibition is this all or nothing assessment of a substance's potential where substances are either not worth touching at all ever or they're seen as miracle cures that should be widely available, which leads to people evangelizing about the positives without acknowledging the risks that are present with taking any drug. people should be wary of anything they ingest, especially drugs. I'm typically very pro-drug use because they are tools that have been used to improve life since time immemorial but there is nothing you can take that doesn't carry risk and people should be realistic and properly informed about anything they take
@@floordoctorIf it comoarable to methadone, then after years of usage, some long tapering period must be enacted.. We are creatures of habits.. Able to get addicted to almost anything, even pure positive things like exercise, only to then push that into extreme.. Yet if Kratom can help you with moderate pain, instead of bunch of pills, with some quality control, I wish it was available everywhere.
He kinda sucked here tbh...throughout the whole podcast he misunderstood Hamilton’s questions and statements. Like when Hamilton mentioned Imodium, opioid antidepressants, consuming fresh kratom, and just getting high on kratom because you want to and it’s relatively safe. That’s just a few of the things Dr. Grundmann skipped over or misunderstood lol. I honestly would have rather heard the other guy talk more, he sounded like he knew more!
@@nickbruck1017to be fair he doesn't sound like English is his first language. I'm not sure what kind of European he sounds like though maybe dutch ? Idk.
I use Suboxone but I hope to use nothing... The choice is a choice, we can use nothing if we choose and I think being yoked to anything just plain sucks! God didn't make us to be dependent on anything but him. We have a choice all right and we live with em and sometimes forever
Bupe's superb. You're not high on it, you're not in withdrawal, you're just normal and you can just go about your life and finally reach the financial stability and the peace of mind to plan how to taper completely and get clean. It's also extremely cheap, at least where I live (you can even get it for free). And you can't get high while you're on it, it's impossible to break through even if you try real hard. I've heard kratom's also good but it's illegal here.
@@Briguy8919 hey I make a 8mg pill last for two weeks. I just shave a little off the pill and snort it every morning to boost me up to get moving. So I have been doing this for two years. I’m on my last pill. Have about an 1/8 left. Will this Kratom help with this?
@@waltersobchak7275 absolutely it makes it more manageable but it can be a bit habit forming as well just a forewarning but I’ll take a plant over pharma any day
Same. Was hooked on pills for about 3 years and by the Grace of God, found Kratom. It’s kept me clean for 8 years now. Controls my back pain pretty well. I have L5-S1 rupture for 15 years.
@non pop radio 18.7 fm Griswold I have been using it since a year and till now havent developed a dependance. I do try to take longer breaks after taking it more than a couple times in a week.
Kratom saved my life! I was addicted to oxycontin after I had shattered my arm and had a rod put in it. I was only able to quit because of Kratom. We need this for the people.
Ive been consuming Hamilton Morris' work in some form since i was 11 and im now 21 and I learn something new every time I listen to him. Hes truly an inspiration of mine.
I’m glad you keep putting out good material on UA-cam Hamilton, when you announced that season 3 was the last season of Hamiltons pharmacopoeia I was disappointed that such a good show was coming to an end, but I’m glad to still be getting new content from you. You are one of the most important personalities in the drug world and I look forward to good things to come on this channel.
I started using Kratom to self-medicate long term pain conditions, but have always lamented at how sparce the information on Kratom's pharmacology is. This video is 10/10 for me, thank you Hamilton!
Can I ask in what form, dosage and how regularly you've been consuming kratom for pain conditions? And have you experienced any negative side effects or problems with addiction? Thanks
@@SolarJakee Hello - I ingest powdered kratom leaf orally in capsules, I ingest 1 gram in 2 500 mg capsules. I have been taking less lately partially due to feeling low energy. When I was feeling low energy I was taking 1 gram about 4 times a day, so 4 grams per day. Now I usually only administer 1 gram 1 time a day. As far as addiction - I did not encounter anything noticeable when lowering my dosage, and don't feel bad when not taking it some days (depends on my chronic pain levels, on if I would want to skip a day or not.) Negative side effects: Lower energy, lowered awareness of life responsibilities, slept in longer
I’ve been clean and sober for 17months with the help of Kratom. I freely admit that I am dependent on it at this point, but I am a functioning member of society and live a productive existence. With out the help of this plant, I’d be in a much darker place. Keep fighting the good fight everyone.
How often can a 20 year opioid take it in a day and what dose? Meaning a trade off from it... Say if 10 mg oxy every few hrs typically sufficed for chronic pain/illness and what color vein?
@@andreah6175 Let me first start out by saying, Kratom isn’t like other “opiates”. Learn form my mistakes and don’t jump in and start taking it so regularly that you end up with some of the more widely known negative side effects. That said, I would recommend starting and staying on a dosage schedule (ie 2-4g every 6-8 hours). I’ve got a fairly high tolerance today, and would recommend doing some research and buying form a reputable source that does lab testing. Order a gram scale form Amazon and strictly measure out your doses - using a tea/table spoon to measure doses isn’t advised. Alternatively, you can order pills, but I’ve had mixed results. For pain management “Red” veins are going to be the choice. I like mixing green veins in my morning dose for the energetic properties, and red for night time pain relief. In the Kratom world, less is more - wait the full 6-8 hours between doses to get the full effect of each dose. It is a godsend when used properly but be cautious. People rarely refer to it as a drug, and I’m comparison to other opiates…it’s definitely not as “bad”, but the chance for dependency is there just like any other brain chemistry altering substance.
Im confused... Are you clean and sober or are you taking Kratom? You cant be both at the same time. Also, I was a productive member of society even when I was using pills and Heroin. Doesn't mean I didn't have a substance abuse problem.
I too have been using kratom since 2016, I feel differently. Kratom got me addicted as hell which really sucks. It’s my fault, but at the time all I could find was good stuff about it and I didn’t even think it was addictive. Before I knew it, I was addicted and now if I stop taking it it is hell.
@@downfromthereeefters If u wanna quit try weening down, it makes the withdrawal symptoms very easy to deal with...Otherwise, goin cold turkey can be rough but nothing like opiate withdrawals...Hope that helps. Another way is get the stems from kratom, most vendors carry it n it makes coming off kratom very manageable...
@@DCRACKA very true brother, I´ve been taking it since 2018 , 3g 3xday but sometimes I have tolerance break for 7 days, it´s an interesting withdrawal symptons but very very manageable.
@@OGecalien yeah if u stop cold turkey u will def experience withdrawal symptoms, Ive never had it give me heart palpitations tho...U might wanna see a doc for that. But u can also try slowly reducing the amount u take over a couple week period, It will allow u to come off it with zero withdrawals if u do it right.
I have been using Kratom for 6 years now for reducing anxiety, keeping me off alcohol and it gives me amazing energy. It is an amazing plant and I hope the government doesn't try to go after it again. Many people depend on this plant just like marijuana.
I’ve been using Kratom for a few years now. It has replaced my cocktail of pharmaceuticals. I love it and urge others to use it as well, especially in states where THC products are still illegal. I use the Bali strain in capsule form, Kratom has literally saved my life getting me off the opioid pain meds.
Try the powdered leaf.. Way cheaper and it kicks in right now.. Just mix with a little water and drink It chased with water.. Just like doing a shot.. It's so much better and cheaper just not as convenient.
Me too. My doctors gave me so many different opiates and one day I realized they were poisoning me, killing me. Thanks to pure tested kratom I am no longer an addict to pain meds.
I started using kratom when my doctor retired I was suddenly taken off heavy pain meds. I was involved in couple really bad car accidents and need a hip replacement. Then on top of everything was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and suffer from anxiety and severe depression. I kept hearing about kratom and after trying everything else decided to try it. I swear by the stuff it definitely helps me get through my days and nights. I pray they don't stop selling it or making it available. Some people really suffer from chronic pain and are unable to get the help they truly need because majority don't want to deal with the topic or situation.
Stock up before they schedule it. The lobbyists of big pharma will not allow it's easy existence much longer eating into their profits. They will create a pill form of it and sell it through pharmacies for exorbitant prices. It will happen.
@@metameta1427 kratom has its own lobbyists and with pot and micro mushrooms becoming legal just how are they going to slam everything back in the dark ages. There are now over 15 million kratom users.
⚠️ ATTENTION ⚠️ Everyone go submit a Public Comment to the FDA RIGHT NOW! The FDA are currently attempting to sidestep the US regulator process, for which Kratom does not meet the criteria to become a controlled substance, and instead attempt to get Kratom internationally banned by petitioning the W.H.O. You have untill August 9th to submit a comment because they're trying to rush this through. You can find out how to provide a comment to the FDA by going to www.protectkratom.org/whocomments They tried this in 2011 and we stopped them. They tried this in 2014 and we stopped them. They even tried again in 2017, and again we stopped them. If we mobilize now we can stop them again!
@@Preacher_. actually go to aka portal to who. You don't know if the fda will submit your comments to WHO.. But we do know American Kratom Association. portal will.. Aug 9 is the deadline day.
Kratom helps stabilize my mood and helps motivate me along with cannabis. Keeps me away from opiates 2yr now , saved my life along with cannabis, much love , peace, and plant a plant
Because you traded opiates for opioids. And when you ever decide to quit (or if kratom turns on you like it did me) you will find out just how addicted you are. It's no picnic. I was in absolute misery for over 2 weeks and then the symptoms just mellow a little and post acute withdrawals still going on after 4 months cold turkey. I took it for almost 6 years for CPTSD. It gave me hyperalgesia (Narcotic Bowel Syndrome) and I was forced to quit abruptly. It was pure hell when the horrific pain in my colon started and I had no clue it was the kratom causing it all alone. I went through 6 months of torture, in and out of the ER, 2 Cat scans, visits to urologists thinking I had kidney stones, then to a GI specialist for a colonoscopy, all to be told nothing was wrong other than I was constipated. The pain felt like I was being impaled with a sharp spear, over and over again. It was traumatizing to the point that I felt I was about to die each time it happened. Kratom should not be taken every day. I only took 9 grams per day and had tapered down to 6 grams per day when I realized it was the kratom causing my pain. My colon has been messed up since I quit and still have restless legs, anhedonia, insomnia, sneezing fits, and depression since quitting 4 months ago. But the acute withdrawals were horrible. It was like being in hell every day for 3 weeks and the nights were even worse. I couldn't lay still. I was lucky to get 1 hour of sleep per night. Constant brain zaps and horrific anxiety. Restless legs from hell, frequent urination, it was horrible. I've never been hooked on any kind of drug before and I thought kratom withdrawal would be like "coffee withdrawal" based on the BS I read on Reddit. This is a full blown opioid with SSRI antidepressant qualities as well and I've read antidepressants are hell to withdraw from. I believe that's what caused my brain zaps. This stuff is no joke and really shouldn't be taken daily. I wish I had known then what I know now, I would have had the willpower to only take it once a week and keep it under 4 grams. Now, my opioid receptors in my colon have been "rewired" to feel intense pain when I take kratom or other opiates.
I’ve been using a small amount of Kratom (small evenly rounded tablespoon once a day for years now:) for chronic scoliosis. It’s mild, it helps tremendously and I don’t ever Jones for it. It’s just there when I need it. I hope everyone can come to accept it for the helpful plant (tree 🍃 :) it is! 🏆☮️
Have you ever tried to stop? If so what were your withdrawals? I can find a lot on Kratom withdrawals in regards to high dosages. But I cannot find much on going CT on small amounts of Kratom.
@@dawgface898 if you're on a small dosage the WDs are pretty mild. Runny nose probably very moderate cold sweats occasionally, maybe a little fatigue for the first 3 days and if you're like me you'll get a little bit of restless leg syndrome at bed time. I've been on heavy doses for about 4 years now and just got off of it like 2 weeks ago. I was on strictly extracts for the last 6 months before I quit and it felt like full blown opiate withdraw.
That's about what i take. I use about a tablespoon in a coffee maker and have roughly one pot of it at the end of any particularly long day. I've never had withdrawal symptoms beyond maybe being grumpy for a day when I don't take it but it's never anything beyond my conrol
@@davidbenally9028 I used Kratom for a few days (2gram doses 1-2times a day) day 5-6 of suboxone withdrawal. If Gabe didn’t warn me about the Kratom addiction I woulda fallen for the pro Kratom propaganda
Wait, am I wrong or did one of those guys say that kratom should only be legal in a medical setting?? That's BS. Don't restrict any more plants from human beings!!
@@mkor7 And what is the total percentages of all kratom producers and sellers inspected and approved by them? Probably next to 0.1% And it'll never be high, because these companies make far more profits by cutting their products with semi-neutral chemicals and lying about the dosages. (In the ground products)
When it comes to the government if they want it banned they'll pretty much get it banned haha. There is a HUGE kratom fanbase in the US however. At least we have that.
@@5ycey7.n.84 Hamilton Morris and Dr. Carl Hart are two very distinguished professionals, each with a long tract record of public outreach and education. Reducing them down to "they were a guest on JRE" is insulting.
@@Preacher_. True, I was just joking. I meant to imply that those are the best joe rogan episodes, not that any podcast is the highlight of their careers. A lot of people definitely were introduced to them by that tho.
It has helped me a lot, too. I don't know what all these comments are so pumped about, though. My take from this is essentially that the German fellow wants to severely restrict it. (I'm not going to go to a doctor's to be supervised while I take my kratom, so if his views are realized, it might as well be banned for me.)
@@billscannell93 yeah I disagree with that kind of regulation on it as well. Admittedly as an addict, it is easy to fall into overindulgence and dependency but ultimately I'd rather regulate myself with kratom and marijuana to avoid harder drugs and inevitably death as well as a bunch of prescriptions to treat the many symptoms helped by kratom
@@Hawke.The.Talontless For sure, whatever works for a person, is their business, in my book. The idea of going to a doctor for supervision with this stuff just sounds goofy. For psychedelics, too, many medical/science guys have this opinion--the substances should be legal, but only under a doctor's supervision. But who the hell wants to take a shroom trip at their doctor's office?! It's just dopey. They have to say all that because of their training. Kratom is better than anything I have ever been prescribed--more pleasant, fewer side effects, easier to stop. If I had consented to the whopping dose of SSRIs my doc wanted me on after a brief chat, I would be a walking vegetable now. I don't think someone who uses weed and kratom only, even habitually, deserves the scary "drug addict" label.
A lot of people I see online talking about their kratom use tend to use WAYYY too high of a dose way too often. Like I'm talking about people who take up to 100 GRAMS per day. I used to take up to 10-15g per day and I thought that was a lot. Then I went on the r/quittingkratom and these mfers are taking that much in a single dose, then they blame the drug.... like bruh you're taking heroic doses of kratom wtf else did you expect to happen?
That is wayyyyy too much .Holy shit. I do 4 grams per serving twice a wk in a little OJ.. No aches or pains thankfully at 55.I just take it to elevate my mood after work.
@@laneblaine If that works for you, great! Everyone’s different but as someone who deals and handles with Kratom everyday almost, out of a tea shop, that’s a bit too much. Taper down and be responsible with this plant medicine so you can enjoy the benefits without exasperating it’s down sides. Good luck, all love brotha!
I was on pain meds for about 15 years ago administered by doctors. My doctors kept cutting my dosage because of the new regulations and I was constantly going through wds. I just cut myself off cokd turkey and was sick for almost 2 weeks. Had a friend tell me about kratom and it has been a game changer. As a 44 year old mom of 5 and a teacher, I don't have time for pain. I know it's not a miracle drug but it has changed my life for the better.
Bravo! Honest, calm, balanced, intellectual discussion. Absolutely amazing to see three intelligent men listen to each other without even one interruption.
It's not even his level of education that makes him so smart. It's the fact that he can approach any subject without any sort of societal bias interfering with his own conclusion. That's the true sign of an intellectual. He doesn't care if some other really smart person already came to a conclusion or wrote a book about something hes going to personally find out. Most people are not critical thinkers today. Most people when they want to learn about something they just go to whoever wrote the best book and has a degree from a top tier college. We find one book on a subject written by who we think is the is the smartest author and we then take his words as gospel and parrot his thoughts to others so we can sound intelligent and decieve ourselfs into thinking we are smart. And even that's a stretch most people just skim through random articles and base there whole opinion on the contents of those articles. Nobody has original thoughts anymore. With the effortlessness of constant stimulation we receive from electronics and other modern types of entertainment it's possible to go your whole life without a thought of your own. And probably not even realize it. You think they are your thoughts but really you have been indoctrinating your subconscious with an unending supply of content and almost all of it consist of nothing but opinions with very little truth. I notice these things more now than ever. We somehow have convinced ourselves that our identity consist of things we enjoy and things we don't enjoy. Your identity is who you are not what entertainment you indulge in. People have defined themselves by what material objects they are most interested in. If you ask someone who they are and they will start naming fav music fav tv shows what clothing style they like. All meaningless. They don't want to think any deeper than there material obsessions. It's scary to actually think and sit down and ask yourself who am I? Am I a good person? Do I always help people in need if I can? do I always give people the love and respect they deserve? Am I constantly trying to grow as a person or am I more concerned with how my Instagram looks? Those types of questions quantify who you are. This is totally from left field I know lol. But enough cannot be said about people who not only use critical thinking but actively practice it. Lots of our younger generation seem to think that thinking for yourself means to form a baseless opinion then locate as many sources that also echos the baseless opinion. I guess to boil it down thinking for one's self is the practice of admitting to yourself anything is possible and knowing that since day one we have been conditioned to have certain opinions to feel guilty about certain things. Our opinions as a group have an immense effect on what we see as taboo and what is not. It's so strong that to even just learn or research a taboo subject is enough to label you as bad or evil. How we are supposed to recognize evil if we constantly turn our backs and pretend it doesn't exist. In true esoteric tradition one can only defeat evil once he comes to know it's true name. To study it relentlessly without looking away from it's ugliness for even a second. Once you know it's true nature only then will be granted power over it.
Gread podcast. After stumbling over it myself for years, I find it comforting that none of these guys can settle on a single pronunciation for kratom and mitragynine either, lol.
I was living in a US state that retroactively made me a felon in possession, when kratom rid me of life long chronic lower back pain. I moved, and teach anyone who will listen the unconstitutional nature of the modern medical monopoly. As if it is not completely obvious at this point. Government get out of my health and wealth, be gone!
Did you come off opioids? What is the best color/dose for say oxy patients? Additionally, if you become an activist, see my vids what happened to me, be prepared.
You’re just trading one addiction for another.. Is it better to be addicted to kratom instead of oxy? Marginally, sure.. However kratom is just as addictive, I’ve used both and only ever been addicted to kratom.
It's nowhere near an opiate I'm sure you know if u take it right? My experience is soon you won't get relief from it and think fuck it I need something stronger. In which case it's not helpful at all.
Kratom is a blessing. I have chronic pain. I don’t care about being dependent on it. I also take thyroid medication. Take that away I will suffer and eventually die. Is that addiction? No. Many people are dependent on drugs to survive. Sure someone may abuse it, but that is no reason to deny it to those of us who need it to function in a normal fashion.
Michael Harvey it quite literally binds to your opioid receptors and the withdrawal is an opioid withdrawal lmfaoo on top of that it is a stimulant and I think an antipsychotic but I’m not positive on that one
@@downfromthereeefters I'm healthier both physically and mentally than with opioid. I got my life back. And it's better than its ever been. No different than a person who takes toxic ssri antidepressants from a doctor. That can be said those folks are addicted too. It's about quality of life. I had no life on opioid. I actually have my life back and I'm working, being productive. AND I'M HAPPY.
Hamilton, I'm not really into drugs, but I think your perspective is extremely valuable and I look forward to every podcast/show/video/interview that you put out. As a researcher, I've been very dissatisfied with previously available descriptions of various recreational drugs. They either came from pro-psychedlic stoners who gave vague mystical descriptions or institutions like DARE and MADD who give even more vague, cookie-cutter descriptions. Having someone who is familiar with chemistry, familiar with mind-altering substances, able to investigate production/benefits/risks to the users and to society, and also able to present the information in a neutral manner is extremely important for both policy and research. As a maths researcher, I'm able to understand more than your average stoner, but less than your average chemistry student. As an outsider to both recreational drugs and chemistry research, the level at which you present the content is at exactly the right level. I feel like I've learned - actually learned - something valuable every time I hear your presentations.
Great talk, great survey! Dr. Grundmann is one of the most articulate voices in kratom research. Everyone should go on pubmed and look up his former surveys and read anything with his name on it for kratom. I can't wait to see the results of this new one
Mr. Hamilton - you've saved this old man's life. Truly. I was a watcher of your TV show (finding it only last year) and when you did the episode on Kratom I felt I had to try it. And it got me off opioids (which I had been using for the terrible chronic pain that comes with just getting old) as well as alcohol. And even better, it actually took away the pain (unlike both opioids and alcohol, which only removed a slight amount). I cannot thank you enough - now I'm able to play tennis four times a week when before I could barely stand up straight. I will continue to follow all you do but thanks again - without that show I never would have known about this life-saving plant.
After 3 bouts with cancer, a double back fusion, a neck fusion, 2 strokes, carotid surgery, heart attack and severe neuropathy I had been on high dose pain meds including fentanyl patches and sometimes up to 20 hydrocodone a day for 10 years. Found Kratom and moved over to it for ALL my pain and inflammation. I’ve been using Kratom for 2 years now and have a much higher quality of life now due to it, yes there is dependency still but is nothing like opioid use.
Mr. Hamilton, Thank you for all your tireless work towards educating the public about drug compounds and the actual dangers around drug use or mind altering substances. My favorite thing you've said is "The government doesn't ban substances based on how dangerous they are but how fun they are..." basically... Ppl can order some of the most dangerous chemicals known to mankind, all without permits or fear of punishment. Ignorance an I'm glad your doing this line of work. You will and are changing the world, OneLove.
The thing with Kratom is that you can gradually step down your dosage over weeks of months an whenever you jump off and stop whatever withdrawals you may have will be nothing to those compared to opioids or other hard drugs.
49:45 is a great example of what is going on right now. My Dad has cancer and currently in the hospital with pneumonia in both his lungs. However, before he went in one doctor he spoke to online. Said "Oh so your an opioid addict"... Cause he takes morphine for the pain. It pissed him off an inraged me as well. He is in allot of pain physically and emotionally. It was very upsetting the way we treat cancer patients in this country.
@@allegorx58 whats the point of saying this? It’s not at all unlikely and I think you can agree healthcare in the US is fucked. I went to the doctors and for reasons I didn’t have control of don’t have health insurance I was there for 15 mins and got a bill for 334$. That’s how it is, I won’t be going to the doctor again for as long as I can.
@@allegorx58 How wrong you are!!! It's very easy to find the information that there's a war on pain pts because they use opiods to control pain. People who have a genuine need for opiod pain medication are being treated as nothing more than addicts. Part of it is fear on drs part . They fear being put in prison by dea. It should be drug dealers & cartels who fear that but it isn't. As a result, it's legitimate pain pts, the dying, those with cancer, anyone who has chronic or intractable pain are being demonized while opiod addicts are being lifted up & treated well. Addicts are money in the bank for big pharma & Andrew Kolodney with their addiction med suboxone &buprenorphine. So any other opiod like morphine etc are not bankable for them. So yeah, you can bet it totally happened.
Fantastic discussion on the known science of Kratom. As a doctor I can say that access to pain medicine has become difficult for many acute and chronic conditions. Having a safer OTC option for pain would be very helpful.
What kind of Dr, what if told you many Drs are treating patients with symptoms manipulated by WIFI, which you may reject as plausible having spent lots of time/money choosing your role. See my video documented events, yes its surreal to see and the brain can't comprehend it but its a truth I been shown by some higher sources.
@@alixtheprofessionalcatherd6850 Yea cause your heartbeat has electrical impulses and cells communicate wirelessly in your body that occilate same as phone so all who have phones are sent a signal and its like mass mind control since Covid. You can learn more of what's occurred by knowing what's in the air and how it may create havoc with the celll towers/satelites Geoengineerigwatch.org
I use 33 - 40 grams per day. For the last 5 years or so. Before that I was on opioids for 20-plus years. Kratom has helped me over these past few years to get my life in order and I got off Suboxone which was horrible mental and psychological withdrawal and now it's coming time to get off the kratom. When I lower my dosage my blood pressure goes up to outrageous place. The withdrawals from Kratom were very very horrible the last time I ran out. But I found something that helped me and I'm going to the doctor and get it this time. So that I can get off Kratom completely. The drug I found that worked for completely getting rid of my withdrawals is called Neurontin or Gabapentin. Which is for sciatic or nerve pain. I took them all throughout the day as often as I needed to for the withdrawal symptoms. I also took losartan potassium which is the cleanest and oldest blood pressure medicine you can get. It only took me about two or three weeks to get past the Kratom withdrawals.
Thank you Hamilton and Dr Grundmann. I have pretty severe chronic pain from severe joint damage from severe RA. Both Kratom and opioid enable me to stay very active and fit. I need knowledge because I have lived without analgesics and I could not maintain activities and fitness. My lifestyle is much more healthy when I have analgesic support. It is tough needing support but it is better than the alternative of not being able to maintain activities and mobility.
I just started taking it a few weeks ago. After a fused neck surgery, the pain becomes unbearable as the day wears on. Pain Management put me on a Tumeric supplement and medical THC. THC doesn’t help with pain - it simply helps you to cope better. Kratom COMPLETELY gets rid of the pain. The only thing which bothers me about Kratom is battling the constant constipation and my increasing tolerance for the same benefits. I am 66 years old.
@@mastercraft117 I buy tramadol by the case in thailand lol, I used it because I couldn't get kratom over there. Kratom is way better though, I never felt anything from tramadol after a few days and wasn't upping my dose out of fear of seizures.
@@andreah6175 from being in several FB kratom groups for several years its seems to me the serious pain people take higher amounts, general anxiety or mood boost people take lesser amounts, all long time users insist that the less you take the better, or said another way take as little as it takes to help... I suggest everyday weighing it as scooping can vary the amount as every bag has a different grind and density, also make notes every time so you can look back and see what works for you. 4 yrs for me i still make notes, whe, what kind, how much, the effects... Also its said that lower amounts are more stimulating/energizing and higher amounts are more relaxing.sedating. The biggest thing for me is seeing how every person has their own experience, so there are no concrete rules...
I really appreciate you spreading accurate information on mitragyna speciosa and am so glad I’m able to see new content from you. Love you man never stop growing please.
I took 3 tablespoons of white meng da kratom for one year in a cup of coffee once a day in the morning to switching to red meng da 3 tablespoons twice a day for 3 years at one point i was up to 5 tablespoons twice a day for 6 months. I would see the doctor regularly and I found that one side effect I had was high blood pressure resulting solely from the kratom use. When it came time to stop using I had very mild, if any, withdrawal symptoms. Effects from the Kratom would include pain management and increased social ability. Also, Kratom will not make you pop on a drug test for opiates. This all took place in Hawaii, so I suppose the product I was purchasing was more fresh.
@@Cbd_7ohm but he’s doing his due diligence and learning information on all this and is advocating and voicing his opinions and stating the facts he’s learned by studying every others research. So he is a pioneer of our time 👌🏼 don’t hate
@@hugovalencia9370 I've read way more experimental studies about kratom than he has and they barely touched the surface and were also wrong about somethings they said.
Thank you for the discussion, very informative. I would like to hear a discussion about what people should do for pain when a doctor says over the counter medication should be enough, which sometimes in not enough. In my experience, average folks cannot get pain relief from their doctor as a result of the opioid problem. Having to go to another doctor for pain management is stupid and costly. I personally know of two elderly non drug users that had to jump thru hoops for pain relief. One had a bad tooth and the other has stage 4 colon cancer… absolutely ridiculous and cruel.
Kratom 100% helped me with withdrawals when my not so brilliant doctor decided to cut me off cold turkey. Was so sick, then after researching anything that would help me, I tried kratom. Couldn't believe it. 90% of wd symptoms were gone.
I love using a Kratom Tea. It helps my chronic pain, anxiety and it lowered my cholesterol level by 45 points. I did nothing to my diet or exercise except used Kratom. I'm 55 and use 8 grams to make tea in 12 oz water. I drink that over 3 days. I took the survey.
I've been on opiates for major pain for over 5 years... this is the longest stretch I have not been back to my doc for medication... Kratom is a wonderful sub for opiates and it doesn't kill you!
I'm happy to hear that. I'm looking to do the same. I am so tired of the pain management merry-go-round. Now the dea is throttling how much medication the pharmacies can order so they are always out of stock. I am tired of being anxious and fearful about going through withdrawals.
I was introduced to kratom years ago and it changed my life. I had a history of drinking which I had kicked for about two years when I first took kratom. I also had been on and off pain meds for my back and I got tired of taking them. Kratom gave me a life with little pain and I've chilled out a lot too. There are times I cut down taking it because I even have my days where I'm tired of taking it but I've gone a few days without it and the pain is unbearable. Not to mention I have arthritis and that will kick my butt everytime.
So so so good ! Thank you for doing this ! Please do more on kratom in the future! I would love to see something on long term effects on the body and effects on longevity
Kratom helps me through four surgeries without taking opiates... It saved my life. I was an opiate addict off and on for twenty years. Kratom stabilize my moods and continues to help everyday..
This is awesome Hamilton, as a long time fan I love the direction you're taking in these long form pharmacological discussions. Much better than reading studies and forum comments!
Every person I've talked to that gets bad withdrawals from Keaton was addicted to opioids before. Every person who had no problem with opioids never had withdrawals from Kratom. They should definitely do a survey
I am addicted to kratom and have pretty bad withdrawals (probably nothing like heroin withdrawals, but its bad enough that quitting is extremely difficult nonetheless). I was never on opiates. Kratom is a godsend for addicts and chronic pain sufferers, but anyone can get addicted to it even from recreational use.
Kratom has been a life save for me. Years of psyc meds that I never felt right on and 4 years of perx for lower back pain then a friend of mine told me about Kratom. Kratom is now the only thing I take and I haven't felt this good in YEARS.
The title should be SAINT Dr. Oliver Grundman! Thank you for following your vision, for the good of us all (especially those of us who are elderly and often in pain because a tyrannical, utterly corrupt ''government''.)
Fuck yeah Hammy, I love everything you do man... you're like the Carl Sagan of getting loaded... I dont use kratom myself, I have a couple times and I'm not a fan of the effects personally... but after seeing the pharmacopeia episode about kratom I purchased some for my brother who had a terrible opioid addiction and he has made a big change his life has improved tremendously... thank you for bringing much needed information on these subjects...
My fear became a reality when recently using Kratum, turned into addiction. After acknowledging my addiction to Kratum and taking a urine specimen. I came up positive for fentanyl. At the time I was taking “OPMS”extract shots. Please use this comment as a warning to proceed w caution. In regards to Kratum use.
Hi Hamilton. I have been a daily user of around 10-12 grams per day for the last 17 months. I am 34 years and work in the medical field as a physical therapist. I’m a big fan of the plant and consume in mainly for the mood boost, energy, and pain relief effects.
I am a responsible mother and grandmother. I use it to manage insomnia and MS issues. It keeps me from having to take steroids, Tylenol 3, and other sleep aids. I check myself every few weeks to see if I have withdrawals, etc. My opinion is that if you are prone to addictions, you can become addicted. I have never been addicted to anything so I don’t think it’s an issue for me. I am, however becoming addicted to the delicious, deep, restful sleep that I have been deprived of for the last twenty years. Kratom is working wonders for my neurological conditions. It definitely calms inflammation in my body, I am assuming my nervous system.
Kratom got me off alcohol. I am a writer living in Thailand and have been drinking k tea daily for 4 years. I drink the tea in the morning, which gives me focus and energy, I have been healthy and drink less tea now than I used to. I had to quit for 5 days when I went abroad with zero withdrawal issues.
Hamilton Morris the dog in my profile picture was actually named after you I had just gotten him and was binging Hamilton's pharmacopeia and thought it was a fitting name ... You Rock brother ... 4 years on kratom ... pill and even alcohol free
I switched from kratom powder capsules/drinks to tea and I agree that I have little to no adverse effects from it. I'm easily able to consume just one tea drink a morning without wanting more later or having withdrawal-type symptoms. I urge anyone who does consume kratom to try to find loose leaf versions to make tea with.
Finally!!! An honest conversation about dependency issues pertaining to Kratom use!! Personally Kratom has saved my life but as with anything the human body consumes we create a dependency.. so with my extended use I now find it very hard to obstain from using Kratom because of the withdrawals I go through. It’s a catch 22 I’ve found myself in but I must say that the positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion. Again Kratom has saved my life and I’m all for its consumption but I just wish we were told what we were getting ourselves into before extended use. I really appreciate you guys for not only talking about the positive side effects but also the negative! ❤️
Daily user for the past 6 years, it is a great partial agonist, and has a therapeutic ceiling, yes it can cause dependence but the pain relief far outweighs any side effects. People who have issues with it are either trying to abuse it. Or it doesn't agree with them. Also if you need a medicine to feel better for the rest of your life who cares let them have a better quality of life.
This is an awesome video. Kratom pharmacology is an area of study which is much lacking. It should really be marketed more as medicinal substance. I take 750mg once per day. I don't get these people taking 20g of powder in a slurry. That's insane
I've been using Kratom nearly daily for 4 years and I've been working in my local Kratom processing, packaging, distribution, and sale industry for 2+ years. I think it is such a wonderful substance that can be used for a variety of things. I've seen firsthand Kratom helping people with pain, insomnia, fatigue, mood boost, depression, anxiety, and much more. I've noticed many users tend to increase their dose with their raising tolerance and taking it far too often. I have to recommend taking Kratom no more than once per day, and if taking the same serving begins to feel less effective you need to take a break for a couple days or more rather than raise your dose. I've been using the exact same amount of Kratom for most of the last 4 years and I get my desired effect every single time
Really appreciated the timing of the comment about the opera. One of the big ways forward for normalization is going to be more of a media presence of people using it
For 20 years doctors in the UK have been unable to offer me an effective alternative to opioids for the alleviation of severe chronic pain but for the last 5 years I've self-prescribed and used Kratom as an effective alternative Why has Mitragynine never been considered for commercial use by the pharmaceutical industry when there is such a huge volume of data supporting it's efficacy in multiple areas? I hope this research continues at a fast pace and products are quickly forthcoming
Because it's so cheap, accessible, and available. Their business model wouldn't survive. When I was on Oxy, my RX was $1100 a month. I spend about $50 a month for Kratom.
Kratom is incredible and is a much better option than stereotypical opiates. I've had a lot of joint pain while recovering from Covid, but I don't like taking typical painkillers like acetaminophen or ibuprofen for fear of any organ damage. It helps me to keep moving and exercise lungs and body, especially when I feel like total garbage and just want to sleep and not do anything.
You’re worried about organ damage so much that you avoid NSAIDs and replace them with mystery powder? Because...better for organs? Not sure I follow your logic.
I haven't had a drink since finding kratom but the most beneficial thing I've gotten from kratom is getting off so many dangerous RX medications, including Klonopin, Ultram, Seroquel, and Vicodin (prescribed for breakthrough pain). I'm functioning now, not just medicated to numbness. Kratom quite literally saved my life. And I won't go back. I can't.
Much love Hamilton! Appreciate you getting the word out for our survey, as you pointed out, the prohibitionist context around kratom skews the discussion away from objective, scientific facts and more towards fitting each side's politics. With luck, this survey will serve as a touchstone for conversations regarding kratom use going into the future.
Hope everyone enjoys our chat!
Hmm. Im drinking my kratom everyday with the "slur" they were talking about.
I've done it for 4 years. I dont feel anything negative from doing that.
I feel more effect of the kratom when drinking the slur, than doing a tea and filter it. Much more effect.
Because some of the psychoactive chemicals in kratom, is not water soluble
@@vipr1142 I think there is a sense in which even a technical, scientific perspective can bury simple, obvious sense, at least in some people. (The forest and the trees, all that.) Kratom use only being allowed under the supervision of medical professionals... What? That's...dumb. And it translates to me as, "Here I am to take away your simple pleasures and freedoms. Except booze! You will still be allowed to drink yourself into an early grave." How about caffeine? Nicotine? Weed? Do we need the supervision of medical professionals with those? Where was Hamilton's philosophy of personal freedom, which he voices so loudly and clearly in his show? Was he intimidated by this guy's credentials? I'm disappointed. And so heartily sick of this stupid debate over this silly, innocuous tea shit.
@@billscannell93 Yeah, so we went ahead, and put your account on hold, why don’t you make an appointment with one of these psychiatrists (see list on other side of this post). You will need a letter, clearing you to comment, plus they’ll need to be present and approve any comments you wish to post, until further notice. That’s going to be just terrific.
Thanks,
PS- You didn’t get the memo?
Bill Lemberg
@@NAM10001 I second that!
@Joey Maxon I've been taking kratom every day for over a year. I'm doing very well in life. What did you take, gas station extract? I only drink 100% pure, unaltered powder.
About using Kratom in a medical setting, I disagree. The low cost is what makes it so great. If I had to go to a doctor to get Kratom I couldn't afford it.
This guy wants Kratom to be illegal exept for standardized big pharma Kratom prescribed a doctor
Exactly right. Sadly our Golden Age of kratom, may be slipping away - as "Big Kratom" profiteers push "Regulation" schemes to greedy State legislators who see $ dollars $ in Taxes and fees.... Kratom IS an herbal supplement. NOT a drug !!!
@@greenmanalishi6086 I wouldn't call it a "supplement" though. Supplements are more-so things that we take to supplement our daily dietary nutrition (Vitamins, probiotics, etc.). I think "herbal remedy" would fit the bill better.
Green Manalishi “drug” shouldn’t be a dirty word
oh for sure, you can get $70 split kilos that could last you a few months with response usage. cost way less than what the doc is gonna prescribe. i know, i know there are people that abuse this plant. dont be a a-hole like them and you will be fine
Please don’t take away my Kratom. I been alcohol free for a year now due to kratom. My mental and physical health has never been better due to kratom
Same
7 years
I have to point out, but doesn't your profile picture have you with a bottle of alcohol lol.
Same here. Life has greatly improved.
Glad to hear Bro!
Chronic pain patients have suffered more than anyone can possibly know due to the war on opioids. Even my 85 year old grandmother had her hydrocodone dosage cut in half by a new doctor which caused her to go into withdrawal symptoms, and this was 1 year prior to her dying from cancer, for fucks sake. The US tends to do absolutely nothing about problems until they are so insanely bad that they go crazy and swing all the way to the other side, so incredibly far in the opposite direction that it ends up harming more people than helping.
Truth
Correct. I'm so sorry about your grandmother. That must have been excruciating.
Yes I was on Tramadole from dec 2019 till Jan 2020 for osteoarthritis I was under a low income clinic. Now that I have $ and H Ins. This new Dr. im under did not prescribed me it to me...it's confusing I thought that once I had H Ins...I would get better quality med.
Allopathic physicians are more dangerous than opiates in some cases. Iatrogenesis.
@@user-qk7yy8xi3q Drs have been scared into not prescribing at all. The dea is enforcing a guideline as a law which it is not a law. Drs are getting arrested, losing everything they own before seeing even a judge for prescribing lower than the guideline amount. Unless a person is days away from dying in hospice they don't get pain relief & a lot of times not even then.
Most of the comments I read are positive, advocating for kratom. As a heavy kratom user for many years, I wanted to offer another perspective about my experience. Initially, kratom was a good thing for me after a lengthy car accident recovery, and getting back into the work force as an electrician by trade. There's no doubt it can have benefits in the short term, but there is a cost in the long run that most don't talk about, acknowledge, or are even aware of the gradual side effects that take place (partly because habitual use feels normal, and most don't take extended breaks to see how it makes them feel & if they can function without it). I've discovered most don't do that simply because they're dependent on it, which I have been multiple times over the last decade.
Depending on one's circumstance, it's a very easy substance to abuse, as it's very difficult to know exactly how much you're consuming and what other material might be present. Most long term users purchase it in bulk, and the testing / measuring processes used are usually lacking, or nonexistent. Because it's cheap, it's easy to simply build a tolerance and take more and more of it to get the desired effects. It's easy to sustain that habit of ingestion for a long time without crazy side effects, but eventually they do catch up with you.
There's a certain level of cognitive complacency that starts to take place. One can begin to feel like everything is okay, when it's not. Motivation to stay on top of life and keep progressing can take a huge hit. It did with me and several others I know. It can begin to make your hair fall out, and have skin issues. I honestly think it negatively impacts your natural immune system as well, and impacts your ability to heal quickly. It can act as appetite suppressant, almost like a supplement, and a substitute for a healthier diet. I know a lot of people end up using alcohol less, but I don't hear a lot about smoking habits. Nearly everyone I've ever met increased their cigarette consumption while taking kratom...as it did me. That obviously isn't a good thing.
If you're someone like myself, who works in construction, doing manual labor, it's easy for it to become a crutch. I know people who take it just to deal with mundane office jobs as well. There's no way you can take it to just get assistance with body pain, as it acts a mild mood enhancement as well. That's where the danger of abuse comes from. It takes significantly more of the substance to get that "feeling." I, for one, fell victim to that. Relying on it to "feel better" mentally only dismisses the root of the problems and potentially keeps you from engaging in other healthier options to optimize mood....like going to the gym for example. If/when you decide to mitigate that conundrum, you have stop taking it for awhile and if you're a heavy user, it's a pretty shitty withdrawal for a lot of people who've engaged in prolonged use. Body aches, cold/flu like symptoms, brutal RLS resulting in little-to-no sleep for the first few evenings. It's damn near impossible to do any physical work for several days, so you have to kind of plan it out ....unless it's a VERY gradual taper. It's
Make no mistake, it's not a benign substance, and works similarly to methadone as mu opioid antagonist. If you know anything about methadone, or those who've been on it for years, then you know how difficult it is to get off it, and the post acute withdrawal symptoms (PAWS) that can take place once you have. Getting off kratom often has side effects down the road not many acknowledge might be directly caused from its prolonged use. I've been through it multiple times, and it sucks. I've come off every opioid imaginable over the last 27 years, and in no way would I say kratom isn't comparable to the rest of them; both during use, and upon quitting. Sure, the risks are lower, but it's important to be honest about what it is, and what it can do.
I think it should be legal, but regulated in some form so it can be safely consumed. There are too many impurities in 50% of the imported kratom. There need to be standards, proper testing, education, and licenses required to sell it (like weed is here in Oregon). Yes, it needs to remain affordable, so I disagree with anyone who thinks it needs to be administered by medical professionals only. That's when it becomes no longer available to those without insurance. Here in the States, that'd be a very bad thing .....as we have one of worst, most expensive, least efficient health care systems in the developed world. Getting help is already difficult enough (look at the cost of methadone every month for an addict - if you don't know).
The system is broken, which why kratom is such a great option for so many. We're becoming more conscious about diet, exercise, and spiritual health......but mental health is only getting worse as a whole. Without addressing those issues properly, and ending this bullshit war on drugs....it's gonna take a long while before the situation improves. The one drug that should be legal and an affordable option for ALL addicts of any kind - is Iboga/ Ibogaine. If you're an addict, and happen to read this.... I highly suggest you look into getting someplace you can do a session with it.
Many of us keep trying to mitigate our issues with a lesser evil, but the goal should always be to be void of dependence on anything that negatively impacts your health (which kratom will over time guaranteed). We don't realize the source of our addictions until we really do the work to find the source. Iboga goes beyond destroying habits, but can put you in a position to see things you couldn't before. Many psychedelics have that ability (like Ayahuasca), but the more difficult the journey, usually the more beneficial. I'm advocate for all drugs, as it's the only way society is going to be intellectually honest about the positive end, and how to use them responsibly. Kratom needs to remain accessible to the larger population, but unfortunately, most of the developed world treats all substances as an all or nothing issue that is only justified in a for-profit healthcare system.
Just use kratom responsibly, in moderation, without excessive doses, and take breaks from it periodically....I can't urge that enough. I'd also remain cognizant and vigilant about improving your health beyond what kratom can offer. That should be the goal....to no longer use it. Fuck the war on drugs. All the best everyone.
On a 1-10 scale, ten being the worst (heroin, fentanyl, oxycotin) one being the most mild. Where do you feel kratom lands in a withdrawal spectrum?
@@hollie13ulloa depends what part of of the withdrawals. I’d say early on, the first day or two are pretty mild. Maybe a 2 compared to heroin. Day 3 is probably between a 3-5, as the body aches/pains/ and RLS are pretty bad with most. It’s very difficult to sleep, if at all. That can last for 2-3 nights, then it’s basically over. The longer post acute withdrawal symptoms are worse in a lot of people. To me they’re far worse than the drugs you listed. It’s on par with methadone. Could take several months for some to feel like their old selves, while others it’s only a few weeks. Depends on how healthy the individual is, & how much effort they’re making with diet & exercise; along with other lifestyle choices, obviously.
Extremely well said. The problem with prohibition is this all or nothing assessment of a substance's potential where substances are either not worth touching at all ever or they're seen as miracle cures that should be widely available, which leads to people evangelizing about the positives without acknowledging the risks that are present with taking any drug. people should be wary of anything they ingest, especially drugs. I'm typically very pro-drug use because they are tools that have been used to improve life since time immemorial but there is nothing you can take that doesn't carry risk and people should be realistic and properly informed about anything they take
@@floordoctorIf it comoarable to methadone, then after years of usage, some long tapering period must be enacted..
We are creatures of habits.. Able to get addicted to almost anything, even pure positive things like exercise, only to then push that into extreme.. Yet if Kratom can help you with moderate pain, instead of bunch of pills, with some quality control, I wish it was available everywhere.
thank you for the perspective. can you share more about ibogaine? Kratom helped me stop taking opioids, but I'm ready to stop that too.
Dr. Grundmann was my professor through grad school! So awesome to see him discussing Kratom will Hamilton. Great work to all!
how awesome is this!?
UF represent!
He kinda sucked here tbh...throughout the whole podcast he misunderstood Hamilton’s questions and statements. Like when Hamilton mentioned Imodium, opioid antidepressants, consuming fresh kratom, and just getting high on kratom because you want to and it’s relatively safe. That’s just a few of the things Dr. Grundmann skipped over or misunderstood lol. I honestly would have rather heard the other guy talk more, he sounded like he knew more!
He is a tool
@@nickbruck1017to be fair he doesn't sound like English is his first language. I'm not sure what kind of European he sounds like though maybe dutch ? Idk.
dependance on kratom vs roulette with fentanyl , the choice is obvious
Yes it is, neither.
On GOD
I use Suboxone but I hope to use nothing... The choice is a choice, we can use nothing if we choose and I think being yoked to anything just plain sucks! God didn't make us to be dependent on anything but him. We have a choice all right and we live with em and sometimes forever
@@larrytate1657 - I agree, I would rather be addicted to nothing. Kratom addiction sucks!
Bupe's superb. You're not high on it, you're not in withdrawal, you're just normal and you can just go about your life and finally reach the financial stability and the peace of mind to plan how to taper completely and get clean. It's also extremely cheap, at least where I live (you can even get it for free). And you can't get high while you're on it, it's impossible to break through even if you try real hard. I've heard kratom's also good but it's illegal here.
Kratom changed my life for the better. I would probably be dead or on suboxone for the rest if my life.
Clean since august 30th and about like 4months with kratom instead of suboxone
I've been wanting to take Kratom to get off Subutex
I jumped from 8-12mgs of sub a day after ten years it was a nightmare even with the kratom
Was awake for almost 2 months it seemed like
@@Briguy8919 hey I make a 8mg pill last for two weeks. I just shave a little off the pill and snort it every morning to boost me up to get moving. So I have been doing this for two years. I’m on my last pill. Have about an 1/8 left. Will this Kratom help with this?
@@waltersobchak7275 absolutely it makes it more manageable but it can be a bit habit forming as well just a forewarning but I’ll take a plant over pharma any day
Kratom keeps me off alcohol and opiates cuz of severe chronic back and shoulder pain
How much do you consume at one time?
I'm in the same camp, use it for my knee
I love kratom so much. My anxiety is nothing with Kratom
@@3RI6UY0 I take about 6 gram's now but I was at 4 gram's of Red Maeng Da usually
Same. Was hooked on pills for about 3 years and by the Grace of God, found Kratom. It’s kept me clean for 8 years now. Controls my back pain pretty well. I have L5-S1 rupture for 15 years.
A little kratom before work to ease my anxiety really helps
@KevinTalks yeah i dont really take it that often maybe like once a week, but thanks man
@non pop radio 18.7 fm Griswold I have been using it since a year and till now havent developed a dependance. I do try to take longer breaks after taking it more than a couple times in a week.
Kratom saved my life! I was addicted to oxycontin after I had shattered my arm and had a rod put in it. I was only able to quit because of Kratom. We need this for the people.
Glad to hear it
I've been on opiates for major pain for over 5 years... this is the longest stretch I have not been back to my doc for medication...
I just decided to try it because I heard it can get me off subs. It definitely works
I've taken it in the past to stay off of meth, worked really well
Ive been consuming Hamilton Morris' work in some form since i was 11 and im now 21 and I learn something new every time I listen to him. Hes truly an inspiration of mine.
Lol the guy just cant stop dropping knowledge
me too he is so fascinating to me
me too. now im going to school for chemistry!
@@Kiartist23 that's awesome, best of luck
@@sneggron thanks a lot, hope youre having a good one : )
I’m glad you keep putting out good material on UA-cam Hamilton, when you announced that season 3 was the last season of Hamiltons pharmacopoeia I was disappointed that such a good show was coming to an end, but I’m glad to still be getting new content from you. You are one of the most important personalities in the drug world and I look forward to good things to come on this channel.
Lol and we meet again.
I see you on YT channels so often, so am saying Hello! 😊
@@therockhouse762 He's ubiquitous👍
@@Riker-ER Hello, you must have good taste in videos if you’re seeing a lot of my comments 🤙
I started using Kratom to self-medicate long term pain conditions, but have always lamented at how sparce the information on Kratom's pharmacology is. This video is 10/10 for me, thank you Hamilton!
Known about it since the mid 2000s and information is still sketch about it.
Can I ask in what form, dosage and how regularly you've been consuming kratom for pain conditions? And have you experienced any negative side effects or problems with addiction?
Thanks
@@SolarJakee Hello - I ingest powdered kratom leaf orally in capsules, I ingest 1 gram in 2 500 mg capsules. I have been taking less lately partially due to feeling low energy. When I was feeling low energy I was taking 1 gram about 4 times a day, so 4 grams per day. Now I usually only administer 1 gram 1 time a day. As far as addiction - I did not encounter anything noticeable when lowering my dosage, and don't feel bad when not taking it some days (depends on my chronic pain levels, on if I would want to skip a day or not.) Negative side effects: Lower energy, lowered awareness of life responsibilities, slept in longer
I’ve been clean and sober for 17months with the help of Kratom. I freely admit that I am dependent on it at this point, but I am a functioning member of society and live a productive existence. With out the help of this plant, I’d be in a much darker place. Keep fighting the good fight everyone.
Congratulations to you! Keep up the good work and be well!
How often can a 20 year opioid take it in a day and what dose? Meaning a trade off from it... Say if 10 mg oxy every few hrs typically sufficed for chronic pain/illness and what color vein?
@@andreah6175 Let me first start out by saying, Kratom isn’t like other “opiates”. Learn form my mistakes and don’t jump in and start taking it so regularly that you end up with some of the more widely known negative side effects. That said, I would recommend starting and staying on a dosage schedule (ie 2-4g every 6-8 hours). I’ve got a fairly high tolerance today, and would recommend doing some research and buying form a reputable source that does lab testing. Order a gram scale form Amazon and strictly measure out your doses - using a tea/table spoon to measure doses isn’t advised. Alternatively, you can order pills, but I’ve had mixed results. For pain management “Red” veins are going to be the choice. I like mixing green veins in my morning dose for the energetic properties, and red for night time pain relief. In the Kratom world, less is more - wait the full 6-8 hours between doses to get the full effect of each dose. It is a godsend when used properly but be cautious. People rarely refer to it as a drug, and I’m comparison to other opiates…it’s definitely not as “bad”, but the chance for dependency is there just like any other brain chemistry altering substance.
Im confused... Are you clean and sober or are you taking Kratom? You cant be both at the same time. Also, I was a productive member of society even when I was using pills and Heroin. Doesn't mean I didn't have a substance abuse problem.
1 month for me Congratulations!
I've been using kratom since 2016. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
You might feel differently about that if the government bans it.
I too have been using kratom since 2016, I feel differently. Kratom got me addicted as hell which really sucks. It’s my fault, but at the time all I could find was good stuff about it and I didn’t even think it was addictive. Before I knew it, I was addicted and now if I stop taking it it is hell.
@@downfromthereeefters If u wanna quit try weening down, it makes the withdrawal symptoms very easy to deal with...Otherwise, goin cold turkey can be rough but nothing like opiate withdrawals...Hope that helps. Another way is get the stems from kratom, most vendors carry it n it makes coming off kratom very manageable...
@@DCRACKA very true brother, I´ve been taking it since 2018 , 3g 3xday but sometimes I have tolerance break for 7 days, it´s an interesting withdrawal symptons but very very manageable.
@@OGecalien yeah if u stop cold turkey u will def experience withdrawal symptoms, Ive never had it give me heart palpitations tho...U might wanna see a doc for that. But u can also try slowly reducing the amount u take over a couple week period, It will allow u to come off it with zero withdrawals if u do it right.
I have been using Kratom for 6 years now for reducing anxiety, keeping me off alcohol and it gives me amazing energy. It is an amazing plant and I hope the government doesn't try to go after it again. Many people depend on this plant just like marijuana.
hard to quit though.
@@alexstrauss5264amen
I’ve been using Kratom for a few years now. It has replaced my cocktail of pharmaceuticals. I love it and urge others to use it as well, especially in states where THC products are still illegal. I use the Bali strain in capsule form, Kratom has literally saved my life getting me off the opioid pain meds.
Try the powdered leaf.. Way cheaper and it kicks in right now.. Just mix with a little water and drink It chased with water.. Just like doing a shot.. It's so much better and cheaper just not as convenient.
Yeah he's right. I prefer concentrates, but as a daily user only powder makes sense a far as price
I love Red Bali. !!!!
Me too. My doctors gave me so many different opiates and one day I realized they were poisoning me, killing me. Thanks to pure tested kratom I am no longer an addict to pain meds.
@@conniewernerreichert5864 where
I started using kratom when my doctor retired I was suddenly taken off heavy pain meds. I was involved in couple really bad car accidents and need a hip replacement. Then on top of everything was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and suffer from anxiety and severe depression. I kept hearing about kratom and after trying everything else decided to try it. I swear by the stuff it definitely helps me get through my days and nights. I pray they don't stop selling it or making it available. Some people really suffer from chronic pain and are unable to get the help they truly need because majority don't want to deal with the topic or situation.
Stock up before they schedule it. The lobbyists of big pharma will not allow it's easy existence much longer eating into their profits. They will create a pill form of it and sell it through pharmacies for exorbitant prices. It will happen.
@@metameta1427 kratom has its own lobbyists and with pot and micro mushrooms becoming legal just how are they going to slam everything back in the dark ages. There are now over 15 million kratom users.
Thank you for your input
⚠️ ATTENTION ⚠️ Everyone go submit a Public Comment to the FDA RIGHT NOW! The FDA are currently attempting to sidestep the US regulator process, for which Kratom does not meet the criteria to become a controlled substance, and instead attempt to get Kratom internationally banned by petitioning the W.H.O.
You have untill August 9th to submit a comment because they're trying to rush this through. You can find out how to provide a comment to the FDA by going to www.protectkratom.org/whocomments
They tried this in 2011 and we stopped them. They tried this in 2014 and we stopped them. They even tried again in 2017, and again we stopped them. If we mobilize now we can stop them again!
@@Preacher_. actually go to aka portal to who. You don't know if the fda will submit your comments to WHO.. But we do know American Kratom Association. portal will.. Aug 9 is the deadline day.
Kratom helped me so very much after years of Heroin and opiate addiction. ❤️
Hell yeah it's getting me off Suboxone right now
Kratom helps stabilize my mood and helps motivate me along with cannabis. Keeps me away from opiates 2yr now , saved my life along with cannabis, much love , peace, and plant a plant
Because you traded opiates for opioids. And when you ever decide to quit (or if kratom turns on you like it did me) you will find out just how addicted you are. It's no picnic. I was in absolute misery for over 2 weeks and then the symptoms just mellow a little and post acute withdrawals still going on after 4 months cold turkey. I took it for almost 6 years for CPTSD. It gave me hyperalgesia (Narcotic Bowel Syndrome) and I was forced to quit abruptly. It was pure hell when the horrific pain in my colon started and I had no clue it was the kratom causing it all alone. I went through 6 months of torture, in and out of the ER, 2 Cat scans, visits to urologists thinking I had kidney stones, then to a GI specialist for a colonoscopy, all to be told nothing was wrong other than I was constipated. The pain felt like I was being impaled with a sharp spear, over and over again. It was traumatizing to the point that I felt I was about to die each time it happened. Kratom should not be taken every day. I only took 9 grams per day and had tapered down to 6 grams per day when I realized it was the kratom causing my pain. My colon has been messed up since I quit and still have restless legs, anhedonia, insomnia, sneezing fits, and depression since quitting 4 months ago. But the acute withdrawals were horrible. It was like being in hell every day for 3 weeks and the nights were even worse. I couldn't lay still. I was lucky to get 1 hour of sleep per night. Constant brain zaps and horrific anxiety. Restless legs from hell, frequent urination, it was horrible. I've never been hooked on any kind of drug before and I thought kratom withdrawal would be like "coffee withdrawal" based on the BS I read on Reddit. This is a full blown opioid with SSRI antidepressant qualities as well and I've read antidepressants are hell to withdraw from. I believe that's what caused my brain zaps. This stuff is no joke and really shouldn't be taken daily. I wish I had known then what I know now, I would have had the willpower to only take it once a week and keep it under 4 grams. Now, my opioid receptors in my colon have been "rewired" to feel intense pain when I take kratom or other opiates.
I’ve been using a small amount of Kratom (small evenly rounded tablespoon once a day for years now:) for chronic scoliosis. It’s mild, it helps tremendously and I don’t ever Jones for it. It’s just there when I need it. I hope everyone can come to accept it for the helpful plant (tree 🍃 :) it is! 🏆☮️
Have you ever tried to stop? If so what were your withdrawals?
I can find a lot on Kratom withdrawals in regards to high dosages. But I cannot find much on going CT on small amounts of Kratom.
@@dawgface898 if you're on a small dosage the WDs are pretty mild. Runny nose probably very moderate cold sweats occasionally, maybe a little fatigue for the first 3 days and if you're like me you'll get a little bit of restless leg syndrome at bed time. I've been on heavy doses for about 4 years now and just got off of it like 2 weeks ago. I was on strictly extracts for the last 6 months before I quit and it felt like full blown opiate withdraw.
That's about what i take. I use about a tablespoon in a coffee maker and have roughly one pot of it at the end of any particularly long day. I've never had withdrawal symptoms beyond maybe being grumpy for a day when I don't take it but it's never anything beyond my conrol
@@davidbenally9028 but how long have you gone without it?
@@davidbenally9028 I used Kratom for a few days (2gram doses 1-2times a day) day 5-6 of suboxone withdrawal. If Gabe didn’t warn me about the Kratom addiction I woulda fallen for the pro Kratom propaganda
Wait, am I wrong or did one of those guys say that kratom should only be legal in a medical setting?? That's BS. Don't restrict any more plants from human beings!!
Because the companies cannot be trusted to police themselves. No one is regulating or inspecting these producers.
@@rdizzy1 Check out the American Kratom Association. It addresses your concerns.
@@mkor7 And what is the total percentages of all kratom producers and sellers inspected and approved by them? Probably next to 0.1% And it'll never be high, because these companies make far more profits by cutting their products with semi-neutral chemicals and lying about the dosages. (In the ground products)
What about a consumer protection act?
When it comes to the government if they want it banned they'll pretty much get it banned haha.
There is a HUGE kratom fanbase in the US however. At least we have that.
dude , so pumped to hear hamilton and dr carl hart interview!!! Its my ultimate drug related personalities cross over.
*favorite joe rogan guest crossover
@@5ycey7.n.84 Hamilton Morris and Dr. Carl Hart are two very distinguished professionals, each with a long tract record of public outreach and education.
Reducing them down to "they were a guest on JRE" is insulting.
@@Preacher_. True, I was just joking. I meant to imply that those are the best joe rogan episodes, not that any podcast is the highlight of their careers. A lot of people definitely were introduced to them by that tho.
Agreed, two of my heros 💜
@@5ycey7.n.84 💯
Can never learn too much about kratom! I love it...it helps me in so many ways
It has helped me a lot, too. I don't know what all these comments are so pumped about, though. My take from this is essentially that the German fellow wants to severely restrict it. (I'm not going to go to a doctor's to be supervised while I take my kratom, so if his views are realized, it might as well be banned for me.)
@@billscannell93 yeah I disagree with that kind of regulation on it as well. Admittedly as an addict, it is easy to fall into overindulgence and dependency but ultimately I'd rather regulate myself with kratom and marijuana to avoid harder drugs and inevitably death as well as a bunch of prescriptions to treat the many symptoms helped by kratom
@@Hawke.The.Talontless For sure, whatever works for a person, is their business, in my book. The idea of going to a doctor for supervision with this stuff just sounds goofy. For psychedelics, too, many medical/science guys have this opinion--the substances should be legal, but only under a doctor's supervision. But who the hell wants to take a shroom trip at their doctor's office?! It's just dopey. They have to say all that because of their training.
Kratom is better than anything I have ever been prescribed--more pleasant, fewer side effects, easier to stop. If I had consented to the whopping dose of SSRIs my doc wanted me on after a brief chat, I would be a walking vegetable now. I don't think someone who uses weed and kratom only, even habitually, deserves the scary "drug addict" label.
A lot of people I see online talking about their kratom use tend to use WAYYY too high of a dose way too often. Like I'm talking about people who take up to 100 GRAMS per day. I used to take up to 10-15g per day and I thought that was a lot. Then I went on the r/quittingkratom and these mfers are taking that much in a single dose, then they blame the drug.... like bruh you're taking heroic doses of kratom wtf else did you expect to happen?
That is wayyyyy too much .Holy shit. I do 4 grams per serving twice a wk in a little OJ.. No aches or pains thankfully at 55.I just take it to elevate my mood after work.
i take 4 capsules in the morning then after my drive to work i take 3 more then 2 hours later i take 2 more
I totally agree it makes me mad when they blame Kratom when it’s themselves they need to be blaming.
@@AerospaceEngineer28 Yeah I mean moderation is the key right?
@@laneblaine If that works for you, great! Everyone’s different but as someone who deals and handles with Kratom everyday almost, out of a tea shop, that’s a bit too much. Taper down and be responsible with this plant medicine so you can enjoy the benefits without exasperating it’s down sides. Good luck, all love brotha!
I was on pain meds for about 15 years ago administered by doctors. My doctors kept cutting my dosage because of the new regulations and I was constantly going through wds. I just cut myself off cokd turkey and was sick for almost 2 weeks. Had a friend tell me about kratom and it has been a game changer. As a 44 year old mom of 5 and a teacher, I don't have time for pain. I know it's not a miracle drug but it has changed my life for the better.
Saving my life right now PLEASE DONT TAKE OUR KRATOM
Big pharma will do what it can to keep its “Customers” happy and coming back for more pills 😫😵😔😳😭😢😔😣😟😕☹️
Best stock up
Bravo! Honest, calm, balanced, intellectual discussion. Absolutely amazing to see three intelligent men listen to each other without even one interruption.
This guy is one of the smartest of the younger generation. Glad to see this kind of brains behind all this new drug/psychedelic study
He is 34 so not really from the newest generation. But yes he is smart.
@@bergenmatthew younger != newest...
It's not even his level of education that makes him so smart. It's the fact that he can approach any subject without any sort of societal bias interfering with his own conclusion. That's the true sign of an intellectual. He doesn't care if some other really smart person already came to a conclusion or wrote a book about something hes going to personally find out. Most people are not critical thinkers today. Most people when they want to learn about something they just go to whoever wrote the best book and has a degree from a top tier college. We find one book on a subject written by who we think is the is the smartest author and we then take his words as gospel and parrot his thoughts to others so we can sound intelligent and decieve ourselfs into thinking we are smart. And even that's a stretch most people just skim through random articles and base there whole opinion on the contents of those articles. Nobody has original thoughts anymore. With the effortlessness of constant stimulation we receive from electronics and other modern types of entertainment it's possible to go your whole life without a thought of your own. And probably not even realize it. You think they are your thoughts but really you have been indoctrinating your subconscious with an unending supply of content and almost all of it consist of nothing but opinions with very little truth. I notice these things more now than ever. We somehow have convinced ourselves that our identity consist of things we enjoy and things we don't enjoy. Your identity is who you are not what entertainment you indulge in. People have defined themselves by what material objects they are most interested in. If you ask someone who they are and they will start naming fav music fav tv shows what clothing style they like. All meaningless. They don't want to think any deeper than there material obsessions. It's scary to actually think and sit down and ask yourself who am I? Am I a good person? Do I always help people in need if I can? do I always give people the love and respect they deserve? Am I constantly trying to grow as a person or am I more concerned with how my Instagram looks? Those types of questions quantify who you are. This is totally from left field I know lol. But enough cannot be said about people who not only use critical thinking but actively practice it. Lots of our younger generation seem to think that thinking for yourself means to form a baseless opinion then locate as many sources that also echos the baseless opinion. I guess to boil it down thinking for one's self is the practice of admitting to yourself anything is possible and knowing that since day one we have been conditioned to have certain opinions to feel guilty about certain things. Our opinions as a group have an immense effect on what we see as taboo and what is not. It's so strong that to even just learn or research a taboo subject is enough to label you as bad or evil. How we are supposed to recognize evil if we constantly turn our backs and pretend it doesn't exist. In true esoteric tradition one can only defeat evil once he comes to know it's true name. To study it relentlessly without looking away from it's ugliness for even a second. Once you know it's true nature only then will be granted power over it.
I'm smarter.
Gread podcast. After stumbling over it myself for years, I find it comforting that none of these guys can settle on a single pronunciation for kratom and mitragynine either, lol.
For real lmao 😄👍✌
I was living in a US state that retroactively made me a felon in possession, when kratom rid me of life long chronic lower back pain.
I moved, and teach anyone who will listen the unconstitutional nature of the modern medical monopoly. As if it is not completely obvious at this point. Government get out of my health and wealth, be gone!
Did you come off opioids? What is the best color/dose for say oxy patients? Additionally, if you become an activist, see my vids what happened to me, be prepared.
Thank you for giving Kratom your level of in-depth analysis, much needed
If I had learned about kratom when I was in high school I probably would have avoided oxycontin addiction, however now kratom is my lifeboat !
You’re just trading one addiction for another.. Is it better to be addicted to kratom instead of oxy? Marginally, sure.. However kratom is just as addictive, I’ve used both and only ever been addicted to kratom.
It's nowhere near an opiate I'm sure you know if u take it right? My experience is soon you won't get relief from it and think fuck it I need something stronger. In which case it's not helpful at all.
Kratom is a blessing. I have chronic pain. I don’t care about being dependent on it. I also take thyroid medication. Take that away I will suffer and eventually die. Is that addiction? No.
Many people are dependent on drugs to survive.
Sure someone may abuse it, but that is no reason to deny it to those of us who need it to function in a normal fashion.
Michael Harvey it quite literally binds to your opioid receptors and the withdrawal is an opioid withdrawal lmfaoo on top of that it is a stimulant and I think an antipsychotic but I’m not positive on that one
@@downfromthereeefters I'm healthier both physically and mentally than with opioid. I got my life back. And it's better than its ever been. No different than a person who takes toxic ssri antidepressants from a doctor. That can be said those folks are addicted too. It's about quality of life. I had no life on opioid. I actually have my life back and I'm working, being productive. AND I'M HAPPY.
Hamilton, I'm not really into drugs, but I think your perspective is extremely valuable and I look forward to every podcast/show/video/interview that you put out.
As a researcher, I've been very dissatisfied with previously available descriptions of various recreational drugs. They either came from pro-psychedlic stoners who gave vague mystical descriptions or institutions like DARE and MADD who give even more vague, cookie-cutter descriptions. Having someone who is familiar with chemistry, familiar with mind-altering substances, able to investigate production/benefits/risks to the users and to society, and also able to present the information in a neutral manner is extremely important for both policy and research.
As a maths researcher, I'm able to understand more than your average stoner, but less than your average chemistry student. As an outsider to both recreational drugs and chemistry research, the level at which you present the content is at exactly the right level. I feel like I've learned - actually learned - something valuable every time I hear your presentations.
Great talk, great survey! Dr. Grundmann is one of the most articulate voices in kratom research. Everyone should go on pubmed and look up his former surveys and read anything with his name on it for kratom. I can't wait to see the results of this new one
What a wonderful addition to my day, thanks hamilton! Always enjoy when you upload anything.
Mr. Hamilton - you've saved this old man's life. Truly. I was a watcher of your TV show (finding it only last year) and when you did the episode on Kratom I felt I had to try it. And it got me off opioids (which I had been using for the terrible chronic pain that comes with just getting old) as well as alcohol. And even better, it actually took away the pain (unlike both opioids and alcohol, which only removed a slight amount). I cannot thank you enough - now I'm able to play tennis four times a week when before I could barely stand up straight. I will continue to follow all you do but thanks again - without that show I never would have known about this life-saving plant.
I appreciate your comment
Check the name above 👆🏻 they got all psychedelic products and they are affordable and discreetly delivered swiftly
@@Psychodoc101 Um - name above? You mean YOUR name? (Trippie_Psyched?). I don't see any other name.
After 3 bouts with cancer, a double back fusion, a neck fusion, 2 strokes, carotid surgery, heart attack and severe neuropathy I had been on high dose pain meds including fentanyl patches and sometimes up to 20 hydrocodone a day for 10 years. Found Kratom and moved over to it for ALL my pain and inflammation. I’ve been using Kratom for 2 years now and have a much higher quality of life now due to it, yes there is dependency still but is nothing like opioid use.
Kratom helped me in so many ways... I use it VERY responsibly... very thankful for it :)
Mr. Hamilton, Thank you for all your tireless work towards educating the public about drug compounds and the actual dangers around drug use or mind altering substances. My favorite thing you've said is "The government doesn't ban substances based on how dangerous they are but how fun they are..." basically... Ppl can order some of the most dangerous chemicals known to mankind, all without permits or fear of punishment. Ignorance an I'm glad your doing this line of work. You will and are changing the world, OneLove.
The thing with Kratom is that you can gradually step down your dosage over weeks of months an whenever you jump off and stop whatever withdrawals you may have will be nothing to those compared to opioids or other hard drugs.
49:45 is a great example of what is going on right now. My Dad has cancer and currently in the hospital with pneumonia in both his lungs. However, before he went in one doctor he spoke to online. Said "Oh so your an opioid addict"... Cause he takes morphine for the pain. It pissed him off an inraged me as well. He is in allot of pain physically and emotionally. It was very upsetting the way we treat cancer patients in this country.
right, everything must be politicized these days, by the Drug Warriors... even COVID vaccines... and "opioid" is demonized.
I don’t believe that happened the way you suggest it did.
@@allegorx58 whats the point of saying this? It’s not at all unlikely and I think you can agree healthcare in the US is fucked. I went to the doctors and for reasons I didn’t have control of don’t have health insurance I was there for 15 mins and got a bill for 334$. That’s how it is, I won’t be going to the doctor again for as long as I can.
The hippocratic oath has disappeared from the ethical standards of most doctors these days.
@@allegorx58 How wrong you are!!! It's very easy to find the information that there's a war on pain pts because they use opiods to control pain. People who have a genuine need for opiod pain medication are being treated as nothing more than addicts. Part of it is fear on drs part . They fear being put in prison by dea. It should be drug dealers & cartels who fear that but it isn't. As a result, it's legitimate pain pts, the dying, those with cancer, anyone who has chronic or intractable pain are being demonized while opiod addicts are being lifted up & treated well. Addicts are money in the bank for big pharma & Andrew Kolodney with their addiction med suboxone &buprenorphine. So any other opiod like morphine etc are not bankable for them. So yeah, you can bet it totally happened.
Fantastic discussion on the known science of Kratom. As a doctor I can say that access to pain medicine has become difficult for many acute and chronic conditions. Having a safer OTC option for pain would be very helpful.
What kind of Dr, what if told you many Drs are treating patients with symptoms manipulated by WIFI, which you may reject as plausible having spent lots of time/money choosing your role. See my video documented events, yes its surreal to see and the brain can't comprehend it but its a truth I been shown by some higher sources.
@@andreah6175 Wifi as in wireless?
@@andreah6175 I am a Naturopathic Doctor
@@alixtheprofessionalcatherd6850 Yea cause your heartbeat has electrical impulses and cells communicate wirelessly in your body that occilate same as phone so all who have phones are sent a signal and its like mass mind control since Covid. You can learn more of what's occurred by knowing what's in the air and how it may create havoc with the celll towers/satelites Geoengineerigwatch.org
@@andreah6175 bruh. cool it on the ketamine.
I use 33 - 40 grams per day. For the last 5 years or so. Before that I was on opioids for 20-plus years. Kratom has helped me over these past few years to get my life in order and I got off Suboxone which was horrible mental and psychological withdrawal and now it's coming time to get off the kratom. When I lower my dosage my blood pressure goes up to outrageous place. The withdrawals from Kratom were very very horrible the last time I ran out. But I found something that helped me and I'm going to the doctor and get it this time. So that I can get off Kratom completely. The drug I found that worked for completely getting rid of my withdrawals is called Neurontin or Gabapentin. Which is for sciatic or nerve pain. I took them all throughout the day as often as I needed to for the withdrawal symptoms. I also took losartan potassium which is the cleanest and oldest blood pressure medicine you can get. It only took me about two or three weeks to get past the Kratom withdrawals.
Thank you Hamilton and Dr Grundmann. I have pretty severe chronic pain from severe joint damage from severe RA. Both Kratom and opioid enable me to stay very active and fit. I need knowledge because I have lived without analgesics and I could not maintain activities and fitness. My lifestyle is much more healthy when I have analgesic support. It is tough needing support but it is better than the alternative of not being able to maintain activities and mobility.
Kratom saved my life and it continues daily to give me quality of life and hope for my future
This channel needs more subscribers. Hamilton, I appreciate you beyond words.
1 hour felt like 10 minutes. Excellent conversation , thanks.
I just started taking it a few weeks ago. After a fused neck surgery, the pain becomes unbearable as the day wears on. Pain Management put me on a Tumeric supplement and medical THC. THC doesn’t help with pain - it simply helps you to cope better. Kratom COMPLETELY gets rid of the pain. The only thing which bothers me about Kratom is battling the constant constipation and my increasing tolerance for the same benefits. I am 66 years old.
Chia seeds for the digestive issues!
the plants are playing symphonies for us
Kratom is a great way to ween off alcohol in social settings. That alone is worth quite a lot.
it doesn't last tho. Those social benefits disappeared pretty quick for me and made me even more withdrawn.
What is the difference in what you feel if you take say 1 tiny scoop vs 2 or 4? Coming from an opioid patient...
Tramadol is quite good for social settings, it gives you some energy, plus opiate euphoria
@@mastercraft117 I buy tramadol by the case in thailand lol, I used it because I couldn't get kratom over there. Kratom is way better though, I never felt anything from tramadol after a few days and wasn't upping my dose out of fear of seizures.
@@andreah6175 from being in several FB kratom groups for several years its seems to me the serious pain people take higher amounts, general anxiety or mood boost people take lesser amounts, all long time users insist that the less you take the better, or said another way take as little as it takes to help... I suggest everyday weighing it as scooping can vary the amount as every bag has a different grind and density, also make notes every time so you can look back and see what works for you. 4 yrs for me i still make notes, whe, what kind, how much, the effects... Also its said that lower amounts are more stimulating/energizing and higher amounts are more relaxing.sedating. The biggest thing for me is seeing how every person has their own experience, so there are no concrete rules...
I really appreciate you spreading accurate information on mitragyna speciosa and am so glad I’m able to see new content from you.
Love you man never stop growing please.
Hey.
Youre awesome. Poece!
I took 3 tablespoons of white meng da kratom for one year in a cup of coffee once a day in the morning to switching to red meng da 3 tablespoons twice a day for 3 years at one point i was up to 5 tablespoons twice a day for 6 months. I would see the doctor regularly and I found that one side effect I had was high blood pressure resulting solely from the kratom use. When it came time to stop using I had very mild, if any, withdrawal symptoms. Effects from the Kratom would include pain management and increased social ability. Also, Kratom will not make you pop on a drug test for opiates. This all took place in Hawaii, so I suppose the product I was purchasing was more fresh.
People don’t understand how much Hamilton is a Pioneer of the mind altering substance research 🔬 🧐
He didn't do the research though.
@@Cbd_7ohm but he’s doing his due diligence and learning information on all this and is advocating and voicing his opinions and stating the facts he’s learned by studying every others research. So he is a pioneer of our time 👌🏼 don’t hate
Yup, glad there’s people out there that are on the forefront of these topics 👌🏼
@@hugovalencia9370 Not really.
@@hugovalencia9370 I've read way more experimental studies about kratom than he has and they barely touched the surface and were also wrong about somethings they said.
Thank you for the discussion, very informative. I would like to hear a discussion about what people should do for pain when a doctor says over the counter medication should be enough, which sometimes in not enough. In my experience, average folks cannot get pain relief from their doctor as a result of the opioid problem. Having to go to another doctor for pain management is stupid and costly. I personally know of two elderly non drug users that had to jump thru hoops for pain relief. One had a bad tooth and the other has stage 4 colon cancer… absolutely ridiculous and cruel.
Kratom 100% helped me with withdrawals when my not so brilliant doctor decided to cut me off cold turkey. Was so sick, then after researching anything that would help me, I tried kratom. Couldn't believe it. 90% of wd symptoms were gone.
I love using a Kratom Tea. It helps my chronic pain, anxiety and it lowered my cholesterol level by 45 points. I did nothing to my diet or exercise except used Kratom. I'm 55 and use 8 grams to make tea in 12 oz water. I drink that over 3 days. I took the survey.
Hell yes krate pharmacology this is what I'm talking about
yeeesss!!! krate! this is the best
Facts
Learned about Kratom on a 1 week psych hold. Only good thing to come from that experience
❤🖖
I'd be happy to participate in a study of kratom users. Kratom has helped me with chronic pain and staying off opiates.
It is an opiate.
I've been on opiates for major pain for over 5 years... this is the longest stretch I have not been back to my doc for medication... Kratom is a wonderful sub for opiates and it doesn't kill you!
I'm happy to hear that. I'm looking to do the same. I am so tired of the pain management merry-go-round. Now the dea is throttling how much medication the pharmacies can order so they are always out of stock.
I am tired of being anxious and fearful about going through withdrawals.
I was introduced to kratom years ago and it changed my life. I had a history of drinking which I had kicked for about two years when I first took kratom. I also had been on and off pain meds for my back and I got tired of taking them. Kratom gave me a life with little pain and I've chilled out a lot too. There are times I cut down taking it because I even have my days where I'm tired of taking it but I've gone a few days without it and the pain is unbearable. Not to mention I have arthritis and that will kick my butt everytime.
So so so good ! Thank you for doing this ! Please do more on kratom in the future! I would love to see something on long term effects on the body and effects on longevity
Kratom helps me through four surgeries without taking opiates... It saved my life. I was an opiate addict off and on for twenty years. Kratom stabilize my moods and continues to help everyday..
This is awesome Hamilton, as a long time fan I love the direction you're taking in these long form pharmacological discussions. Much better than reading studies and forum comments!
Every person I've talked to that gets bad withdrawals from Keaton was addicted to opioids before.
Every person who had no problem with opioids never had withdrawals from Kratom.
They should definitely do a survey
That part of the brain is very fragile. Once those receptors are touched over a period of time then it will be more prone to future wds
Thats been my experience
I am addicted to kratom and have pretty bad withdrawals (probably nothing like heroin withdrawals, but its bad enough that quitting is extremely difficult nonetheless). I was never on opiates. Kratom is a godsend for addicts and chronic pain sufferers, but anyone can get addicted to it even from recreational use.
Kratom has been a life save for me. Years of psyc meds that I never felt right on and 4 years of perx for lower back pain then a friend of mine told me about Kratom. Kratom is now the only thing I take and I haven't felt this good in YEARS.
Absolutely love all of your work Hamilton. Absolutely fascinating.
The title should be SAINT Dr. Oliver Grundman! Thank you for following your vision, for the good of us all (especially those of us who are elderly and often in pain because a tyrannical, utterly corrupt ''government''.)
Fuck yeah Hammy, I love everything you do man... you're like the Carl Sagan of getting loaded... I dont use kratom myself, I have a couple times and I'm not a fan of the effects personally... but after seeing the pharmacopeia episode about kratom I purchased some for my brother who had a terrible opioid addiction and he has made a big change his life has improved tremendously... thank you for bringing much needed information on these subjects...
My fear became a reality when recently using Kratum, turned into addiction. After acknowledging my addiction to Kratum and taking a urine specimen. I came up positive for fentanyl.
At the time I was taking “OPMS”extract shots. Please use this comment as a warning to proceed w caution.
In regards to Kratum use.
Wow, I am so sorry!
I took piss test on kradom for a year , never a positive
Hi Hamilton. I have been a daily user of around 10-12 grams per day for the last 17 months. I am 34 years and work in the medical field as a physical therapist. I’m a big fan of the plant and consume in mainly for the mood boost, energy, and pain relief effects.
I am a responsible mother and grandmother. I use it to manage insomnia and MS issues. It keeps me from having to take steroids, Tylenol 3, and other sleep aids.
I check myself every few weeks to see if I have withdrawals, etc. My opinion is that if you are prone to addictions, you can become addicted.
I have never been addicted to anything so I don’t think it’s an issue for me.
I am, however becoming addicted to the delicious, deep, restful sleep that I have been deprived of for the last twenty years.
Kratom is working wonders for my neurological conditions. It definitely calms inflammation in my body, I am assuming my nervous system.
I’ve been using kratom a while . I just take a break every now and again to keep myself in check!
what do u take to sleep on a break?
Just what I was hoping for next! Full episode please!
Have been using a kratom tea - without the plant material, for a few years. I share the videos on my page.
Kratom got me off alcohol. I am a writer living in Thailand and have been drinking k tea daily for 4 years. I drink the tea in the morning, which gives me focus and energy, I have been healthy and drink less tea now than I used to. I had to quit for 5 days when I went abroad with zero withdrawal issues.
Took the survey. Great video guys. Keep me coming
This is the best thing ever, Thank you Hamilton!
I just did the survey. Kratom is awesome for pain relief without falling into the opioids.
No it's not.
You do realize kratom is an opioid, right?
@@z0mgz0mg it's not. Do you research. It act like for pain relief but without beeing one of 'em. And the effect is waaaaaaaay not the same.
Did you even watch the video?
Kratom IS an opioid. It’s just not as powerful as the prescribed opioids.And it doesn’t work as well when dealing with severe pain.
aqueous infusion
...tea. he means tea.
Huge fan. Stoked for more content!
A bit much, but okay.
Hamilton Morris the dog in my profile picture was actually named after you I had just gotten him and was binging Hamilton's pharmacopeia and thought it was a fitting name ... You Rock brother ... 4 years on kratom ... pill and even alcohol free
Very intelligent discussion of many drugs; not just Kratom. Highly recommended.
I switched from kratom powder capsules/drinks to tea and I agree that I have little to no adverse effects from it. I'm easily able to consume just one tea drink a morning without wanting more later or having withdrawal-type symptoms. I urge anyone who does consume kratom to try to find loose leaf versions to make tea with.
I'm in Oklahoma and would be willing to participate this study... What do you think?
Finally!!! An honest conversation about dependency issues pertaining to Kratom use!! Personally Kratom has saved my life but as with anything the human body consumes we create a dependency.. so with my extended use I now find it very hard to obstain from using Kratom because of the withdrawals I go through. It’s a catch 22 I’ve found myself in but I must say that the positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion. Again Kratom has saved my life and I’m all for its consumption but I just wish we were told what we were getting ourselves into before extended use. I really appreciate you guys for not only talking about the positive side effects but also the negative! ❤️
Pro tip. Mix your Kratom powder with coffee creamer. It makes the flavor actually enjoyable 👍
Daily user for the past 6 years, it is a great partial agonist, and has a therapeutic ceiling, yes it can cause dependence but the pain relief far outweighs any side effects. People who have issues with it are either trying to abuse it. Or it doesn't agree with them. Also if you need a medicine to feel better for the rest of your life who cares let them have a better quality of life.
This is an awesome video. Kratom pharmacology is an area of study which is much lacking. It should really be marketed more as medicinal substance. I take 750mg once per day. I don't get these people taking 20g of powder in a slurry. That's insane
shout out All Natural Artisan for the kratom i am enjoying while watching this. I am psyched, Hamilton is the best!
They’ve been my vendor for a few years now! Best one out there!
As always, I have learned so much from Hamilton's work. Science based, no hype info!
I've been using Kratom nearly daily for 4 years and I've been working in my local Kratom processing, packaging, distribution, and sale industry for 2+ years. I think it is such a wonderful substance that can be used for a variety of things. I've seen firsthand Kratom helping people with pain, insomnia, fatigue, mood boost, depression, anxiety, and much more. I've noticed many users tend to increase their dose with their raising tolerance and taking it far too often. I have to recommend taking Kratom no more than once per day, and if taking the same serving begins to feel less effective you need to take a break for a couple days or more rather than raise your dose. I've been using the exact same amount of Kratom for most of the last 4 years and I get my desired effect every single time
it's definitely a multi-task medicine
Really appreciated the timing of the comment about the opera. One of the big ways forward for normalization is going to be more of a media presence of people using it
For 20 years doctors in the UK have been unable to offer me an effective alternative to opioids for the alleviation of severe chronic pain but for the last 5 years I've self-prescribed and used Kratom as an effective alternative
Why has Mitragynine never been considered for commercial use by the pharmaceutical industry when there is such a huge volume of data supporting it's efficacy in multiple areas? I hope this research continues at a fast pace and products are quickly forthcoming
lets pray that big pharma never gets a hold on kratom, the prices would skyrocket... and more of us regular people would suffer
Because it's so cheap, accessible, and available. Their business model wouldn't survive. When I was on Oxy, my RX was $1100 a month. I spend about $50 a month for Kratom.
Thanks for this man. Really appreciate it!
Kratom is incredible and is a much better option than stereotypical opiates. I've had a lot of joint pain while recovering from Covid, but I don't like taking typical painkillers like acetaminophen or ibuprofen for fear of any organ damage. It helps me to keep moving and exercise lungs and body, especially when I feel like total garbage and just want to sleep and not do anything.
You’re worried about organ damage so much that you avoid NSAIDs and replace them with mystery powder? Because...better for organs? Not sure I follow your logic.
Kratom also lowers respiratory function and has caused high liver function as well.
@@allegorx58 lol true
Please keep doing it, I will join Patreon once I start earning.
Thanks for sharing :)
I haven't had a drink since finding kratom but the most beneficial thing I've gotten from kratom is getting off so many dangerous RX medications, including Klonopin, Ultram, Seroquel, and Vicodin (prescribed for breakthrough pain). I'm functioning now, not just medicated to numbness. Kratom quite literally saved my life. And I won't go back. I can't.
I'm so into this conversation 😂 god I love being on shrooms.
I just got done smoking a bowl of 20x salvia and right now I’m on a delta 8 edible and white Borneo Kratom. Safe travels 👍. Who else tripped?
@@chemical_28 Me broo first time today wish me goodluck
@@chemical_28 where do you get your white borneo brother? Haven't been able to find any in awhile!
@@tommoon2700 Just Delta 8 I got the edible and Kraken Kratom I got the white Borneo
@@justinz1412 hope it was fun 👍✌