Want to see them perform in real offroad conditions.. great vid btw! Can’t find a comparison on youtube between duster 2-3 and new vitara in real offroad conditions
Great video, thanks for sharing. Both did well and pit muchore expensive systems in their place. Vitara i think has rhe edge over all. Dacia have nailed the look of the new duster.
Cena nowej Dacji Duster i schodzącego modelu Suzuki Vitara ( z rabatem ) prawie taka sama ! Uważam że Japończyk z czterocylindrowym silnikiem i miękką hybrydą jest lepszym wyborem.
Based on the video. If your stuck with Vitara you should put it to LOCK without ESP and OFFROAD if on Duster. Its not so clear that should you keep ESP on or off in Duster. On the last test where only back wheel has grip it performs better with ESP on.
Except for the last test Dacia performed more predictable at lower speeds without needing to rev it out aggressively. Being able to apply throttle gently and get out is much better, revving your engine aggressively launches you in an unpredictable way and direction and you can damage the car on the next obstacles. I'm truly impressed by the Dacia system and yes I drive a Suzuki Ignis hard off road www.youtube.com/@tinyadventuresoffroad/videos
@@bogdandanailescu Actually you can do the same by Suzuki with manual or automatic transmission. The one from the test has AGS transmission, so there's no control over the clutch/rev.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I tested Vitara AGS. IMHO, results was poor, I overheated trannie very fast, faster than on Korando rear axle coupler. As You said, on AGS You have not control over the clutch. Same problem have all cars with dry dual clutch transmissions (Hyundai / Kia DCT, Renault / Dacia EDC, VW lowspecs DSG, Stellantis's new EAT dry twin clutch transmissions too, etc. etc. etc.) Very similar problems has all CVT systems with belt (but not e-CVTs). If someone want automatic transmission for vehicle with intended usage in offroad conditions, then should choose automatic transmission with hydrodynamic converter. FYI - here is slovak test Vitara 4x4 Dualjet AGS : ua-cam.com/video/4RzAo80YpUw/v-deo.html
Very useful and informative - I live 600metres along a rough forest track and tow a fishing boat on a trailer, I think the Vitara would be more capable particularly when the track is wet / snowy
Vitara has long 1st gear, so it is not very suitable for tow purpose. Duster with very short 1st gear is better. And ground clearance almost 23 cm is very nice bonus.
For the awd system to work as intended, the engine needs to be revved up. The driver in the duster doesn't exactly do that, while the driver in vitara seems more experienced and revvs it more. I bet the test will look a bit different if the duster driver will rev the car more from the start.
@@fotoiasi It's not the driver, it's the system cutting the throttle. Driver of Duster had to press the clutch a few times to prevent the engine from stalling.
@@fotoiasi During the tests, drivers are revving up to 25-30 km/h if possible. Switching ESP off doesn't mean that all systems go off, usually brake TC remains active, engine TC is limited.
In last test, the Vitara was using the side frames for traction. The Dacia is so smooth. I give it to the Dacia. I've just bought the wife one to replace a Vitara, which I will still keep. Both good cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i ront think so depends the country also the difference between its 1.4 /1.2 make also senses the power and i also carefully when driving Suzuki vitara on test but with Dacia another way driver test how too used the car
@@ΚουρσάροςΠέλαγος I checked the prices in my country and they are almost the same. Vitara from the test is not 1.4T but 1.5, it has AGS transmission so driver has no control over the clutch.
@@yigitmert4232 If you mean the last test then NOPE, it's exactly the opposite. Driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. In case of Vitara, despite turning the steering wheel to the left, car was still sliding to the right - that was caused by power applied to the left rear wheel. Here's what happens with no corrections: ua-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Snowmode - after 17s - failed Mud/sand - after 16s electronics finally decides to give a little bit more power - way way too slow Offroad - the same after 17secs Offroad with traction ctrl OFF - 22secs and failed (ok, with TC OFF it may be a "feature"...) And moreover - imho it needs too much wheelspin to pass even that late. Try that on pure ice and Duster will turn on the road or even slip off the road in such a long time. I know, there are even worse cars, but this is not ok. Not very convincing, because according to the previous successful tests, I didn't expect this. Good news is it is probably SW fixable.
tell me please,my fiat500x is at repair he get a new 9gear gearbox and after i will sell it.i need a new car of course,here in iceland we have max 90km/h i was thinking about a vitara 1.0 3zyl allgrip 2019 bcs you get them very cheap here.my fiat have 170hp and is real fast.do you think this vitara is a good option ? or should i go for a forester or something else? the only car wht would fit more into the budget would be a xtrail from 2012 diesel with 120tkm.
@@skoarinn Vitara is very reliable car, even with 1.0T Boosterjet engine. It's not a demon of speed but it's dynamic enough for day-to-day driving. Forester or X-Trail are much bigger cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks for you answere,wht you would take of this 3 cars? they have all nearly the same price. nissan xtrail 2009, forester 2017, vitara 2019 km have all ca 160k
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hello again,did speak today with my car repairing guy here of my idea to get me a forester.he (polish michal)told me dont do this bcs of the cvt,he said get a an vitara.i had never cvt,is this system so bad? thanks
@@SibongiseniTimla It's Duster doing all the job, not the driver, he can't do more than pressing accelerator pedal and waiting for reaction of the car.
The vitara driver (Who i don't know if is the same in the Duster) knows how to make the sistem work. Thats a Big difference. Apart from that, the Suzuki is the best 4x4 in his segment, if we take apart the forester, which is much more expensive. Good videos 👍
Vitara sends some torque to the rear axle, also got some decent brakes on rear to simulate diff lock by braking free spinning wheel, which duster are unable to do because of it's poor brake system all around. Also duster rear diff is a joke, it's as strong and big as the rear diff of the fiat panda 4x4 or some tricycle utilitary moto 😂
@@yigitmert4232 As I already explained - driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. In case of Vitara, despite turning the steering wheel to the left, car was still sliding to the right - that was caused by power applied to the left rear wheel. Here's what happens with no corrections: ua-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/v-deo.html
Lock mode in Vitara is a game changer but both vehicles perform good.
Want to see them perform in real offroad conditions.. great vid btw! Can’t find a comparison on youtube between duster 2-3 and new vitara in real offroad conditions
@@Mr4chiel Thanks! We don't have offroad tests but all generations of Duster are on our channel 🙂
Great video, thanks for sharing. Both did well and pit muchore expensive systems in their place. Vitara i think has rhe edge over all. Dacia have nailed the look of the new duster.
@@Getting-Older Thanks!
even as a dacia duster 4x4 owner, i could say that in this test, the vitara was far better, the sport mode is amazingly good.
I've got the Vitara 1.4 boosterjet Allgrip manual. It's absolute great in every situation.
Cena nowej Dacji Duster i schodzącego modelu Suzuki Vitara ( z rabatem ) prawie taka sama !
Uważam że Japończyk z czterocylindrowym silnikiem i miękką hybrydą jest lepszym wyborem.
Based on the video. If your stuck with Vitara you should put it to LOCK without ESP and OFFROAD if on Duster.
Its not so clear that should you keep ESP on or off in Duster. On the last test where only back wheel has grip it performs better with ESP on.
Good video thank you.
Except for the last test Dacia performed more predictable at lower speeds without needing to rev it out aggressively. Being able to apply throttle gently and get out is much better, revving your engine aggressively launches you in an unpredictable way and direction and you can damage the car on the next obstacles. I'm truly impressed by the Dacia system and yes I drive a Suzuki Ignis hard off road www.youtube.com/@tinyadventuresoffroad/videos
@@bogdandanailescu Actually you can do the same by Suzuki with manual or automatic transmission. The one from the test has AGS transmission, so there's no control over the clutch/rev.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I see now thanks for the clarification ;)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I tested Vitara AGS. IMHO, results was poor, I overheated trannie very fast, faster than on Korando rear axle coupler. As You said, on AGS You have not control over the clutch. Same problem have all cars with dry dual clutch transmissions (Hyundai / Kia DCT, Renault / Dacia EDC, VW lowspecs DSG, Stellantis's new EAT dry twin clutch transmissions too, etc. etc. etc.) Very similar problems has all CVT systems with belt (but not e-CVTs). If someone want automatic transmission for vehicle with intended usage in offroad conditions, then should choose automatic transmission with hydrodynamic converter.
FYI - here is slovak test Vitara 4x4 Dualjet AGS : ua-cam.com/video/4RzAo80YpUw/v-deo.html
@@JohnDoe-ti6pd Did you overheat the automatic clutch or rear coupling? Thanks for the link, I know the video 👍
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I overheated automatic clutch, not rear axle coupler.
Very useful and informative - I live 600metres along a rough forest track and tow a fishing boat on a trailer, I think the Vitara would be more capable particularly when the track is wet / snowy
Vitara has long 1st gear, so it is not very suitable for tow purpose. Duster with very short 1st gear is better. And ground clearance almost 23 cm is very nice bonus.
For the awd system to work as intended, the engine needs to be revved up. The driver in the duster doesn't exactly do that, while the driver in vitara seems more experienced and revvs it more. I bet the test will look a bit different if the duster driver will rev the car more from the start.
@@fotoiasi It's not the driver, it's the system cutting the throttle. Driver of Duster had to press the clutch a few times to prevent the engine from stalling.
With the esc off (last test) it should work by revving more. Doesn't make sense.
@@fotoiasi During the tests, drivers are revving up to 25-30 km/h if possible. Switching ESP off doesn't mean that all systems go off, usually brake TC remains active, engine TC is limited.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Imagine doing that in real terrain...
9^2=81 lajk jest mój :) dziwne te snow i mud mode w daci, ale dała radę, suzuki górą
@@zygmuntzarzecki Jak zwykle traktujemy to jako very special like 😉
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ❤
Może Dacia nie ma zbyt dobrego napędu na 4 koła, ale przynajmniej jest tania. Aa nie czekaj... Już nieaktualne...
32k vitara.... duster 26k
@@WioWio-sf5pc Vitara 1.4T 4x4 is about the same price as Duster 1.2T 4x4.
In last test, the Vitara was using the side frames for traction. The Dacia is so smooth. I give it to the Dacia. I've just bought the wife one to replace a Vitara, which I will still keep. Both good cars.
@@7.92Gav Tyres cannot touch side frames, they spin above them.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollerstimestamp 10:35, 10:45 & 11:18.
@@7.92Gav As I said - tyres spin above the frames without touching them: ua-cam.com/video/r3sXIfynGls/v-deo.html
@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you, I can see it clearly there. Good design, no contact 👍🏻
Vitara cost 32 k and duster 26k and not big difference Dacia look more stability
@@ΚουρσάροςΠέλαγος Vitara 1.4T 4x4 is about the same price as Duster 1.2T 4x4.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i ront think so depends the country also the difference between its 1.4 /1.2 make also senses the power and i also carefully when driving Suzuki vitara on test but with Dacia another way driver test how too used the car
@@ΚουρσάροςΠέλαγος I checked the prices in my country and they are almost the same. Vitara from the test is not 1.4T but 1.5, it has AGS transmission so driver has no control over the clutch.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers next time u can put the camera also in site too see the action from the driver its nice too see also
@@ΚουρσάροςΠέλαγος Driver is doing literally nothing except keeping the accelerator pedal pressed.
i think Duster is lil bit taller?
Duster fail in the last test surprised me. But only the top can do it without problems. And Vitara cheated a little bit 😅
@@spongebobsquarepants2656 Duster didn't fail, it passed. And where's the cheat of Vitara?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersvitara da hile direksiyonu sağa sola çevirerek yaptı...bu hiç eşit bir karşılaştırma olmadı son testte
@@yigitmert4232 If you mean the last test then NOPE, it's exactly the opposite. Driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. In case of Vitara, despite turning the steering wheel to the left, car was still sliding to the right - that was caused by power applied to the left rear wheel. Here's what happens with no corrections: ua-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers peki öyle olsun normalde arazide sağ sol yaparak engel aşılır tekerin yanakları tutunmayı artırır o yüzden söyledim
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Snowmode - after 17s - failed
Mud/sand - after 16s electronics finally decides to give a little bit more power - way way too slow
Offroad - the same after 17secs
Offroad with traction ctrl OFF - 22secs and failed (ok, with TC OFF it may be a "feature"...)
And moreover - imho it needs too much wheelspin to pass even that late.
Try that on pure ice and Duster will turn on the road or even slip off the road in such a long time.
I know, there are even worse cars, but this is not ok.
Not very convincing, because according to the previous successful tests, I didn't expect this.
Good news is it is probably SW fixable.
Wow I'm very impressed by the Suzuki!!
Hello,
Can you test new Vitara allgrip with 129HP in manual transmission ? 👍👍
@@Vive_la_France-y3y Hi, I'll try to do that.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Thank you so much 👍👍
tell me please,my fiat500x is at repair he get a new 9gear gearbox and after i will sell it.i need a new car of course,here in iceland we have max 90km/h i was thinking about a vitara 1.0 3zyl allgrip 2019 bcs you get them very cheap here.my fiat have 170hp and is real fast.do you think this vitara is a good option ? or should i go for a forester or something else? the only car wht would fit more into the budget would be a xtrail from 2012 diesel with 120tkm.
@@skoarinn Vitara is very reliable car, even with 1.0T Boosterjet engine. It's not a demon of speed but it's dynamic enough for day-to-day driving. Forester or X-Trail are much bigger cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks for you answere,wht you would take of this 3 cars? they have all nearly the same price. nissan xtrail 2009, forester 2017, vitara 2019 km have all ca 160k
@@skoarinn I don't need big car so I would go for Vitara. But in case of family, kids etc., Forester is better option.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you very much for your view,you right i think,i will take the chance.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hello again,did speak today with my car repairing guy here of my idea to get me a forester.he (polish michal)told me dont do this bcs of the cvt,he said get a an vitara.i had never cvt,is this system so bad?
thanks
Duster has more ground clearance and better aproach departure and brake over angles
@@Nikolasmar Correct. That's why it's better off the road and worse on the road.
In real life things can be different. See what a good driver can do with the Duster. Channel Cosmin MCS
@@ionion8977 Duster is definitely a better offroader than Vitara. But it doesn't come from the awd system itself. Vitara is much better onroader.
I can do more with that duster. The driver is too lenient on the duster.😊
@@SibongiseniTimla It's Duster doing all the job, not the driver, he can't do more than pressing accelerator pedal and waiting for reaction of the car.
What can you do?
Is better old Duster?
@@alikate555 In terms of offroading - probably yes. In terms of handling - probably no.
The vitara driver (Who i don't know if is the same in the Duster) knows how to make the sistem work. Thats a Big difference. Apart from that, the Suzuki is the best 4x4 in his segment, if we take apart the forester, which is much more expensive. Good videos 👍
@@rvrffdd6416 Duster driver knows it to. The difference comes from cars, not the drivers.
Two words, approach angle
@@ianjinks4048 Better in Duster but what about it?
Not only AA. Ground clearance too.
Suzuki system is better.
Do Duster vs S-Cross.
Duster has better ground clearance
@@alexd6766 That's why it's better off the road and worse on the road.
You can easily lift a Vitara by 4cm. My S-Cross now has almost 23cm ground clearance (lift springs and slightly larger tires).
Got another one for you to try that is like the insignia, have a look at the latest golf R with the Magna rear toque vectoring differential.
@@robertjohnston3099 It's all up to volunteers.
Спасибо бро,завтра гляну.Сегодня спать хочу сильно 🎉🎉🎉😅
Unfortunately the Duster is higher from the ground than the Vitara…
@@massia.72 You mean ground clearance?
@massia.72 Do you mean unfortunately for the Duster or unfortunately for the Vitara?
@@howardp6682и так и так, но витару можно приподнять, а дастер не опустить😂
Vitara sends some torque to the rear axle, also got some decent brakes on rear to simulate diff lock by braking free spinning wheel, which duster are unable to do because of it's poor brake system all around. Also duster rear diff is a joke, it's as strong and big as the rear diff of the fiat panda 4x4 or some tricycle utilitary moto 😂
Vitara has very similar sized rear diff.
I don't like vitara in general as a car.
@@Georgejbl What's the reason?
😂он балбес😂@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Not much difference between them. After all both are using the same drivetrains... They both need torsen lockers 😂
@@MrGoMario Torsen is not a locker.
Suzuki is way better, especially with back push.
@@arbendaci1 What do you mean by back push?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Back Aksel from Back Wheel Push.
Son testte suzuki direksiyonu neden sağ sol yaptı....bu hiç adil değil@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@yigitmert4232 As I already explained - driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. In case of Vitara, despite turning the steering wheel to the left, car was still sliding to the right - that was caused by power applied to the left rear wheel. Here's what happens with no corrections: ua-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ozaman vitara dahamı iyi 4 çeker konusunda
Duster is 200kg heavier and needs more power
@@markmd9 I this case it's about 130 kg.
The Dacia driver is a beginner.
Why?
How can you know that?
Vitara driver sucks. Do the test again with a better driver.
@@dennythescar80s8 You must explain why he sucks otherwise your opinion is meaningless.