Nigga, please... Stop spreading rumors.. It’s only like a handful of dope UK Grime emcees. Just like in the USA with these niggas wearing skinny yoga pants while trying to promote dressing like a broad as gangster.
duron bryant We never said that and just FYI, your struggle is our struggle. Oh we’re going to get a pass because we’re black American? Your words make no sense.
I live in London and I have an appreciation for UK Grime and US Hip-Hop, but I hate the fact Grime fans and Hip Hop fans can't agree on the same thing. For example - Grime fans ONLY listen to Grime, and they believe Grime rappers like Wiley or Skepta could beat any US rapper in a feud but US Hip-Hop fans believe American rappers like Kendrick or Nas could beat UK rappers in a feud. I listen to both Grime and Hip-Hop. I think Wiley could beat American rappers but not all, and I do think rappers like US rappers like Nas and Kendrick could beat Wiley or other Grime rapper in a beef. People just need to listen to both Grime and Hip-Hop.
@@StylistecS 🤦🏽♂️pop smoke didn't rap on grime beats, he rapper over UK drill beats. And considering that's the hottest music in the biggest city in America rn, you could literally say that London producers run New York because they do.
Never understood this divide. To me UK and US hip-hop can be good and can be bad. If the beats good and the MC is on point, the music is good. Regardless of the accent
UK scene is 10x better than US scene right now, all USA artist's are boring auto tune boring ass rappers, even ask drake trying to get in with dave and giggs hahahaha!
Wiley hit the nail on the head there . Are music isn't shit , it's just the language barrier. Also we shouldn't look for acceptance from American hip hop . Just do are own thing and if people from different countries like the grime then that's good . If some don't that's ok . Every one has different tastes in music .
I'm glad he & Dizzy are still alive and got their time to shine & live their truth through their music...they've put that work in been through alot and now they're legendary at their craft #Bless
Hip Hop is hip hop. I love most of the UK artists that I have reacted to recently. I can understand most of them better than most of the mumble rap that is being force fed to the country.
I think why so many people in America look at British rap as a joke is not just because of people’s misconceptions about a British accent being too proper, or tea and biscuits, but really the content of their songs. One big example I hear all the time is “I can’t take it seriously because they’re talking about shooting people and guns but guns are illegal in the U.K.! It would be like some dude acting all hard and talking the talk but brings a knife to a gunfight! It’s ridiculous!” Among many other opinions. I personally don’t mind it. They got some sick beats!
A S hey don’t be throwing out wild statements and saying “you guys” as though you know me in any way! Whether or not that is the case , it’s now the reality and uk gang crime is very real at this point whether or not it originated as a means to imitate America.. but besides all of that drop me out of the category your trying to refer to cos I could care less whether the US respect the UK or not, it’s completely irrelevant to me. You can make your point but you need to be generalising it way more cos it’s highly disrespectful and also if your not black it will come across slightly racist. As that is not the truth for every single black UK citizen
A S hey don’t be throwing out wild statements and saying “you guys” as though you know me in any way! Whether or not that is the case , it’s now the reality and uk gang crime is very real at this point whether or not it originated as a means to imitate America.. but besides all of that drop me out of the category your trying to refer to cos I could care less whether the US respect the UK or not, it’s completely irrelevant to me. You can make your point but you need to be generalising it way more cos it’s highly disrespectful and also if your not black it will come across slightly racist. As that is not the truth for every single black UK citizen.
This is a weird comparison but check this.... When people rap they usually rap in their dialects (unless ur fakes like Iggy etc.) But when ppl SING...they almost 99% of the time sing in an AMERICAN ACCENT...(save for a few UK aritists, Lily Allen, Ed Sheeran etc.)... Interesting...
Spice Girls, Take That, The Beatles, Phil Collins, Rod Stewart, Sting, Westlife (EIRE), Boyzone (EIRE), Eternal, All Saints, Amy Winehouse (RIP)... Listen to ANY song of all these lot...and tell me they don't sing in an "American" accent...
Come on.... "They tryna make me go to rehab but I said no"... "Valerie, Why don't you come over Valerie.....Definitely she is not singing in a LONDON accent...If you're a Londoner you SHOULD be able to see the difference...(and even if u aint lol!)
IM IN THE STATES, THE UK RAPPERS ARE WAY MORE DEEP AND BETTER THAN AMERICAN RAPPERS.. they are way more intricate and detailed.. Most of them. US rappers are trash, there are a select few that are good.. NOW DAYS..
as an american, i understand grime and hip hop are 2 diff genres. BUT american hip hop artists today have NOTHING on grime artists. Grime rappers put their heart and soul into their work and technique. Don't fuck with grime, especially if your bars cant back you up.
we need to clear this up we never really did hip hop our genre is grime be proud of that! hip hop was invented in new york it spread out to American urban culture, no one does hiphop greater than the yanks, no one does dancehall greater than jamaicans accept that fact, stop suffering from an identity crisis, technically listening to our beats its grime format using the terminology hip hop is wrong, embrace and be proud of your own modern day genre
shola ebofin respect and agree with that. That doesn’t mean you can’t have good artists from other countries. But hip hop is American by way of the Bronx through and through. Just like Afrobeats is Nigerian (could be wrong here) .
@@StylistecS Yes it did we use to have a genre of music called toasting by guys like I Roy,Hugh Roy where they use to talk over music When they took it to the US they never understood the underground patios Afrikan Bambata and Many others Biggie,Busta Rhymes ,KRS 1 the little guy ,who just passed away ,Patra ,etc where all Jamaican living in the US .Then started imitating the reggae toasting Even to date Drake and DJ Khaled,Nicky Minaj try speak Jamaican slang.Little Kim with her different colour hair and connection to Jamaican Biggie got her inflences from Dancehall
I don't think its about a language barrier. its about the beats, the production in the UK on some grime has changed it seems. I think grime didn't have that mass appeal, simple as that.
I'm more hip to wileys music than i am azealias music... and im from Cali...was a big roll deep fan.. dizzy,kano,lady sovereign etc..i fucked with a lot of UK artist.happy to see skepta getting some shine in the U.S.
Being from the US, i like grime and drill because the lyricism and pace and flow in the uk seems to be better atm. Grime sounds very electronic compared to us rap but drill is very much like trap so i dont see what the issue is beside preconceived notions of uk being fancy. Thats just historical, because were the US and we broke away. Canadian rappers dont sound different at all and drake is king so yeah. I would love to see more people get into uk rap, being in the NYC area ive noticed the huge influence jamaicans have had on both the NY scene, London scene and hip hops creation in general. Anyway, keeping doing your thing guys! I got family in illford and i love football culture so that helped me get into it OD.
We don’t have Hip Hop here in the uk. It’s either grime, uk rap or drill it’s sad we don’t have Hip Hop here in the up cos there’s a lot of people that have been influenced by Hip Hop but the uk hasn’t provided a platform for Hip Hop here in the Uk.
I think Wiley was so please that vlad said that about dizzee at the end. I would love for them do do somthing. But vlad would claim he brought Wiley and dizzee back together lol
It's good to hear the respect between Dizzee and Wiley, too much of this "they hate each other its beef" bullshit, real dons of the UK music scene, regardless of what path they took.
Sorry to say, but a lot of Americans and American rappers who don't like UK rap are simply representing their imperialist culture. Hip hop may have come from the US ghettos, but those rappers still have the same imperialist mentality that those war hawks in Washington have. Manifest Destiny - ghetto style. America must dominant at all costs.
the reason american's don't get uk hip hop and grime is because there minds cant handle it, there to used to watered down baby rhyming now, take all the yaughty's and 22 savages for example! we don't have weak mumble rappers because were not stupid
Why does azealia always have to open her mouth? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this girl is constantly getting herself wrapped up in scandals and she should realize by now it really takes away from her music. She really needs to hire a PR firm or something lol
I fuck with the UK scene heavy. Even before Drake featuring Giggs. They just need to keep doing there own thing until it catches on out here in the states.
There needs to be gateway songs for people. They need to hear certain songs first to adjust their ears to be able to enjoy the raw shit. Like how eminem tuned alot people into rap. Like how dizzee tuned people into grime.
Most of the US ppl tarnishing UK rap jus cant relate to the culture, ppl hate on what they don't understand
The ENDZ report facts
love grime from the West coast... not all of US is like this
Nigga, please... Stop spreading rumors..
It’s only like a handful of dope UK Grime emcees.
Just like in the USA with these niggas wearing skinny yoga pants while trying to promote dressing like a broad as gangster.
ENDZ REPORT MEDIA thats not true, its just Americans blacks think UK don't have a struggle
duron bryant
We never said that and just FYI, your struggle is our struggle. Oh we’re going to get a pass because we’re black American?
Your words make no sense.
Wiley don't need USA approval
He didn’t break the U.K. scene let alone going to break America.
@@CKBREEZY7 he created the scene
Uk rap garbage bro just accept it
JedEye MaStar thats your opinion don’t know why you feel the need to share it here. lots of us are very proud of grime and uk hip hop
JedEye MaStar Hahahaha, virgin
If you haven't seen Wiley freestyle you're not qualified to have an opinion on UK hip hop.
he would murder any rapper on the mic US or UK
TomRiddle88 get tf out cant touch nas logic kendrick em or los in a freestyle
thenewsneakerhead 0 fam listen to dizzee and wiley 2003 sidewinder set, or any of them Rinse FM sets.
I live in London and I have an appreciation for UK Grime and US Hip-Hop, but I hate the fact Grime fans and Hip Hop fans can't agree on the same thing. For example - Grime fans ONLY listen to Grime, and they believe Grime rappers like Wiley or Skepta could beat any US rapper in a feud but US Hip-Hop fans believe American rappers like Kendrick or Nas could beat UK rappers in a feud. I listen to both Grime and Hip-Hop. I think Wiley could beat American rappers but not all, and I do think rappers like US rappers like Nas and Kendrick could beat Wiley or other Grime rapper in a beef. People just need to listen to both Grime and Hip-Hop.
stop with these retarded comments making everyone from the uk look like an absolute snob.
I'm glad we've grown to realise we don't need acceptance from people who have Donald trump as their president
😂
Manny Dosu irrelevant
Cough Boris Johnson cough
Acting like you guys don’t have Donald trump late cousin in office too😂😂😂
This comment aged poorly 😂🤣
Mexican American here. I love Wiley. Man's a legend
I love the English accent I'm American. I actually gave their music a chance and I love it. It's it's own genre and I respect it
♥ shout out from London mate ♥
I feel the same way.
You can tell when dizzy said talk to Wiley at the end,
Wiley straight up respected dizzy for that.
that shit would have made his day
Donz will be donz
Does Dizzee still not like Wiley?
You can see why, some fucked up shit went down between them
That's all hes ever wanted really.
What would Slim Jesus think of Azealia Banks Trashing U.K. Hip-Hop?
i wonder too
What?
Dame Dash - get with the times dame!!
Dame Dash LMAOOOOO
This nigga still gettin cloned for that old ass joke loooooool
Wiley is a legend
yepp yepp
Cash S yep yep yep
Yep yep yep yep
Yep
yep yep yep
3 years later UK sound is very dominant in the USA. I love the cross over ting, hope we see more of it
Define dominant... if you’re talking about pop smoke using grime beats (rip) then no, it’s not.
@@StylistecS 🤦🏽♂️pop smoke didn't rap on grime beats, he rapper over UK drill beats. And considering that's the hottest music in the biggest city in America rn, you could literally say that London producers run New York because they do.
Never understood this divide. To me UK and US hip-hop can be good and can be bad. If the beats good and the MC is on point, the music is good. Regardless of the accent
Gabe Thornes I agree
WHO CARES
I think it applies to all countries and regions.
UK scene is 10x better than US scene right now, all USA artist's are boring auto tune boring ass rappers, even ask drake trying to get in with dave and giggs hahahaha!
but giggs sucks... most overrated UK artist ever.
Relax you guys are only popular due to social media and America will always dominate hip hop
@*oh no* Whole world does... Except USA I guess
Adam Wilmot FACTS.....Ever heard Ocean Wisdom?
Dabbla? The four owls? Dizze?
yep , yep , YEP, YEP, Yep , ............yep
Kalen o connor yep yeep
no
Kalen o connor yep yep yep yep and guess what ??????...............yep
120 ypm's, yeps per minute
yep
Didn't Azealia Banks work with shystie and her only big song was big in the UK rather than her own country.
bite the hands that feeds her
Chew until it bleeds
Yea 212 was only big in the uk i remember it and i thought it was awful at first
her single liquorice was produced by lone, a guy from nottingham, england
Her whole sound is heavily uk influenced. Don’t know he’s she’s taking about
Wiley hit the nail on the head there . Are music isn't shit , it's just the language barrier. Also we shouldn't look for acceptance from American hip hop . Just do are own thing and if people from different countries like the grime then that's good . If some don't that's ok . Every one has different tastes in music .
The Stirfry Kid our
Wiley is correct, you have to target the people that's listening and feed them. Extras is a bonus. It's an interesting interview.
I'm glad he & Dizzy are still alive and got their time to shine & live their truth through their music...they've put that work in been through alot and now they're legendary at their craft #Bless
azeliea banks needs a slap
Harry Flashman she got roasted by Big Narsti a while back
She's an extreme personality. This is what people with extreme personalities do.
Aparrently Russell Crowe give her a slap
I'm from the UK and I don't like Grime but I respect Wiley he's an inspiring guy
Wiley is a legend and record holder for saying 'yep'.Overall great and interesting interview .Watched all clips till now!!!
Martins Kursiss yep yep
And Godfather turned out to be one of the best albums in grime history. Fucking energy, legend
The Yep God
QuanThaGod lmao
yeep yep yeeeeeeeeeep
Loved the end bit. Thank you Dizzee, Wiley and Mega for the music
Vlad straight up held Wiley hostage for these interviews .
ahahahaha
LC. For lol...got Wiley in some dark room with no windows
+Godfrey Winston yeah there's a nigga in the corner with a Draco
😂😂😂
damn I wonder Americans rap in English I wonder where English Comes from
Germany
Who knows this guy from that song bow e3 from need for speed pro street?
Stop calling Grime 'UK Hip Hop'!
hip hop is an art form everybody can do it anywhere if doesn't matter
well said wiley; especially the part where he emphasises the use of certain references relevant to the UK
if this nigga say yep yep one more time 😂😂😂
TheOfficialStealz yep
TheOfficialStealz nothing would happen
that was the best one, finally Vlad not on some bs and just having a conversation
Wiley is on a Level... Always has been always will be.. Every time I hear an eski Beat it still makes me think Jeeeez !!
Wiley - Speakerbox. 'Nuff said.
Rotten 5 wiley - doorway
Wiley - Wot U Call It?
Wiley- FireHydrant
This guy made his own scene for the UK that says it all REAL LEGEND
Hip Hop is hip hop. I love most of the UK artists that I have reacted to recently. I can understand most of them better than most of the mumble rap that is being force fed to the country.
Imagine if Us hip hop started now we'd all think its shit and it wouldn't get ratings over here lets be honest.
Cameron l 10 l Uhhm. No.
Sick interview, start to finish. What a don.
I think why so many people in America look at British rap as a joke is not just because of people’s misconceptions about a British accent being too proper, or tea and biscuits, but really the content of their songs. One big example I hear all the time is “I can’t take it seriously because they’re talking about shooting people and guns but guns are illegal in the U.K.! It would be like some dude acting all hard and talking the talk but brings a knife to a gunfight! It’s ridiculous!” Among many other opinions. I personally don’t mind it. They got some sick beats!
Timku San people still get guns out here, even though they are illegal.. alot of these guys do shootings
But there are illegal guns in the UK! 🤦♀
A S hey don’t be throwing out wild statements and saying “you guys” as though you know me in any way! Whether or not that is the case , it’s now the reality and uk gang crime is very real at this point whether or not it originated as a means to imitate America.. but besides all of that drop me out of the category your trying to refer to cos I could care less whether the US respect the UK or not, it’s completely irrelevant to me.
You can make your point but you need to be generalising it way more cos it’s highly disrespectful and also if your not black it will come across slightly racist. As that is not the truth for every single black UK citizen
A S hey don’t be throwing out wild statements and saying “you guys” as though you know me in any way! Whether or not that is the case , it’s now the reality and uk gang crime is very real at this point whether or not it originated as a means to imitate America.. but besides all of that drop me out of the category your trying to refer to cos I could care less whether the US respect the UK or not, it’s completely irrelevant to me.
You can make your point but you need to be generalising it way more cos it’s highly disrespectful and also if your not black it will come across slightly racist. As that is not the truth for every single black UK citizen.
What i love about GRime, all the artists love to collaborate
I really rate Wiley . Even watching these interviews from all the U.K. Artist interviews, he comes across the best
This is a weird comparison but check this.... When people rap they usually rap in their dialects (unless ur fakes like Iggy etc.) But when ppl SING...they almost 99% of the time sing in an AMERICAN ACCENT...(save for a few UK aritists, Lily Allen, Ed Sheeran etc.)... Interesting...
that isn't accurate at all? Who in the UK sings in an American accent?
Spice Girls, Take That, The Beatles, Phil Collins, Rod Stewart, Sting, Westlife (EIRE), Boyzone (EIRE), Eternal, All Saints, Amy Winehouse (RIP)... Listen to ANY song of all these lot...and tell me they don't sing in an "American" accent...
kingrapid nope I can't hear no American accent your bugging espesh with amy Winehouse Def no accent there
Come on.... "They tryna make me go to rehab but I said no"... "Valerie, Why don't you come over Valerie.....Definitely she is not singing in a LONDON accent...If you're a Londoner you SHOULD be able to see the difference...(and even if u aint lol!)
yeah. .... nah. .... thats not technically an analogy .....
So glad Dizzee said what he said at the end
I agree when im from england. If i hear a german artist i immediatly think nahhhh. But i dont care where your from a HIT IS A HIT.
The godfather of yep
IM IN THE STATES, THE UK RAPPERS ARE WAY MORE DEEP AND BETTER THAN AMERICAN RAPPERS.. they are way more intricate and detailed.. Most of them. US rappers are trash, there are a select few that are good.. NOW DAYS..
Nelly Furtado from Canada, 10 years ago!
Americans borrow the English language and then act like British people are the ones that sound strange haha
Steven A borrow?
as an american, i understand grime and hip hop are 2 diff genres. BUT american hip hop artists today have NOTHING on grime artists. Grime rappers put their heart and soul into their work and technique. Don't fuck with grime, especially if your bars cant back you up.
You Should reupload this due to the beef with Stormzy
what was that at 10:12 and 12:14 Wiley?
Wiley speaks the truth
The real UK hip hop scene gave up trying to get recognised years ago and still does.
Wish I had a quid for every time he said yep
Love and respect to Wiley , a true pioneer , he will always be the don
need to do research on this guy thanks to the comments seems like a bad ass freestyler..
No one cares bruv, she got roasted by a 14 year old from disney
The Secular Terrier who ? i don't even know about this ? 😂😂
Kay K This girl from a Disney show called Jessie violated Azelia differently 😂😂😭
whens wiley droppin the yep freestyle
#yep
we need to clear this up we never really did hip hop our genre is grime be proud of that! hip hop was invented in new york it spread out to American urban culture, no one does hiphop greater than the yanks, no one does dancehall greater than jamaicans accept that fact, stop suffering from an identity crisis, technically listening to our beats its grime format using the terminology hip hop is wrong, embrace and be proud of your own modern day genre
shola ebofin respect and agree with that. That doesn’t mean you can’t have good artists from other countries. But hip hop is American by way of the Bronx through and through. Just like Afrobeats is Nigerian (could be wrong here) .
is Eski finally making it over here? I lived in England for a while, got turned onto him...he's quite good...ROLL DEEP
The U.S. took hiphop from jamaican soundsystem culture.
LOL at all your american accents spittin!! :)
Jaems Harilie no hip hop doesn’t come from Jamaican sound system culture🤦🏾♂️
@@StylistecS Yes it did we use to have a genre of music called toasting by guys like I Roy,Hugh Roy where they use to talk over music When they took it to the US they never understood the underground patios Afrikan Bambata and Many others Biggie,Busta Rhymes ,KRS 1 the little guy ,who just passed away ,Patra ,etc where all Jamaican living in the US .Then started imitating the reggae toasting Even to date Drake and DJ Khaled,Nicky Minaj try speak Jamaican slang.Little Kim with her different colour hair and connection to Jamaican Biggie got her inflences from Dancehall
@@StylistecS Funk came from proto funk from New Orleans which had a high afro cuban influence
GanjaFarmer New Orleans never had a high Cuban influence. And funk is still a black American invention
its more than language barrier its culture barrier, singers dont tie themself to a culture but rap almost has to do so
How many times its NOT hip hop
im american i luv grime and manutd i heard tempa in 2009 and i was hooked
Wiley looked very happy when vlad said dizzie told him to interview him 🎵
wiley seemed bare happy when he told him what dizzee said
"January the second" good timing vlad
I don't think its about a language barrier. its about the beats, the production in the UK on some grime has changed it seems. I think grime didn't have that mass appeal, simple as that.
wiley is just the guy
I'm more hip to wileys music than i am azealias music... and im from Cali...was a big roll deep fan.. dizzy,kano,lady sovereign etc..i fucked with a lot of UK artist.happy to see skepta getting some shine in the U.S.
Donald trump runs America you lot are not qualified to make fun of us
why you get on all Americans for what one bitch did?
clapthony claptano *62,984,825
Thatguy no one cares
UK rap just doesnt hold a candle to American rap, never will 🤷🏼♂️
People like what they like. I’m starting to like UK hiphop. I don’t notice the accent that much anymore.
I’m American and I love uk rap I mess with Wiley and all of them Kano there all fire
Being from the US, i like grime and drill because the lyricism and pace and flow in the uk seems to be better atm. Grime sounds very electronic compared to us rap but drill is very much like trap so i dont see what the issue is beside preconceived notions of uk being fancy. Thats just historical, because were the US and we broke away. Canadian rappers dont sound different at all and drake is king so yeah. I would love to see more people get into uk rap, being in the NYC area ive noticed the huge influence jamaicans have had on both the NY scene, London scene and hip hops creation in general. Anyway, keeping doing your thing guys! I got family in illford and i love football culture so that helped me get into it OD.
His music sounds like reggae rap
Grime takes a a heavy influence from Dancehall and jungle, hence the "reggae" sound
man cant lie what vlad sed at the end about dizzee talking bout wiley made me happy. real ones know
We don’t have Hip Hop here in the uk. It’s either grime, uk rap or drill it’s sad we don’t have Hip Hop here in the up cos there’s a lot of people that have been influenced by Hip Hop but the uk hasn’t provided a platform for Hip Hop here in the Uk.
I think Wiley was so please that vlad said that about dizzee at the end. I would love for them do do somthing. But vlad would claim he brought Wiley and dizzee back together lol
So true
i swear the comments are killing me i didn't realise how much Wiley said yep yep yep 😂😂😂😂😂
Need a new interview in 2021
It's good to hear the respect between Dizzee and Wiley, too much of this "they hate each other its beef" bullshit, real dons of the UK music scene, regardless of what path they took.
Sorry to say, but a lot of Americans and American rappers who don't like UK rap are simply representing their imperialist culture. Hip hop may have come from the US ghettos, but those rappers still have the same imperialist mentality that those war hawks in Washington have. Manifest Destiny - ghetto style. America must dominant at all costs.
Ejia M thank you! Like wtf, everyone in their feelings.
the reason american's don't get uk hip hop and grime is because there minds cant handle it, there to used to watered down baby rhyming now, take all the yaughty's and 22 savages for example! we don't have weak mumble rappers because were not stupid
joe bozo “because we’re not stupid”. The irony.
I think it would be good to point out that punctuation and grammar is key when insulting someone else’s intelligence.
Mans gotta drop the "Yep riddim"
Why does azealia always have to open her mouth? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this girl is constantly getting herself wrapped up in scandals and she should realize by now it really takes away from her music. She really needs to hire a PR firm or something lol
I fuck with the UK scene heavy. Even before Drake featuring Giggs. They just need to keep doing there own thing until it catches on out here in the states.
Wiley is on god mode levels . I'm hearing from Kenya big ups !!
YEP.
"yep"
Props to Wiley - pretty deep bro!
Fam why is Vlad pushing for this UK/US collab? We don't want no one from the US on a Wiley album this is Grime not hip hop we're good over here.
I ❤ his eyes!
If i understand what TECH N9NE is saying and im English... then AMERICANS have no excuse to not understand UK RAP!!!
Nobody:
Wiley: Yep, Yepyepyep Yep, yep yep yep.
Growing up I loved slick rick monie love...I didn't even know they were from another country when I was a kid.
There needs to be gateway songs for people.
They need to hear certain songs first to adjust their ears to be able to enjoy the raw shit.
Like how eminem tuned alot people into rap.
Like how dizzee tuned people into grime.
Wiley "yep"
different rappers from both have there own style as an individual
The realist!