I've always been very impressed with your work sir. Very good idea for the handle. I for one am glad to see the slight whoops on one of the pin holes it's a bit of character in the build that says even the best can make mistakes.Thank you for the great idea. A quick simple solution not over engineered it just works 😎👍
Charlie Bardo - I used to go to a lot of trouble to re-shoot, or edit out my little flubs. The older I get, the more I realize that most people are tolerant of little mistakes, and in fact it is reassuring to them to see that even 'experts' have issues with their work, sometimes!
Easier to just take a bar and put two pins into it much like with the circular handle. Similar to the tool used to remove a disc from an angle gronder in principle.
Ron, as usual you have made a professional job of engineering to solve this problem. People will deal with the issue in different ways. But may fail to be creative, so messing an opportunity.
Todd - thanks so much! Fortunately, after months of use, that valve has loosened up so I no longer need to use that tool. It sure helped when I needed it, though!
Very clever and well made. My 1st thought was why not just return it and suggest the supplier check the tank valves before they release them. Then my 2nd thought, by the time you use to return it you have made a item that has corrected the current and future problem. Lastly, my 3rd though, I would tell the supplier of the problem next visit. I am sure my local supplier would take this issue very seriously and try to correct it. But again - great idea and job!!
Thanks, Bill. I actually had to scratch my head for a while to figure how to measure the diameter of the hole circle for the aluminum pins, and as soon as I thought of using transfer punches, it was easy!
I know this is an old video but I have something to consider. You mention in your video to open the valve completely. I advise all my customers ( dental and vets) to only open the valves 2 turns. There are 2 benefits to this advice. 1. Should an emergency occur, you can quickly turn the gas off if needed. 2. If someone left the gas on and the tank was completely empty, it is easy to determine the status of the take. A completely empty take where the valve is fully open , could be thought of as a valve that is fully closed but very hard to open. I have had customer use "tools" to try and force open a valve that was already fully open, and they break the valve. Never open a tank fully in production environment.
I see your point, but with the expense of gasses, I believe it is better in most cases to open the valves completely so they don't leak. One exception is for flammable acetylene gas (which is not pressurized as much as other gasses). For safety reasons, it is recommended to only open an acetylene tank valve about a half turn, so it can be quickly closed if an emergency occurs. Since the gas is never at the higher pressures that most other gasses are stored at, leakage through the stem packing is not much of an issue.
@@RonCovell I buy medical grade Oxygen 350Cuft for $8 and sell for $37 from a welding supplier just like everybody else. I also own a little over 175 Oxygen / Nitrous cylinders plus a few nitrogen, and 55 or so e-tanks. And in 10 years of business I have had 1 cylinder fail at the stem. My customers use their tanks everyday, and open/ close them 4 times a day. Open in morning , close and open during lunch, close at quitting time. All told, I have had to replace 4 valves. 1 of which a customer broke while forcing open. When I deliver gas, It's often in a very quiet place and if leaking were occurring, I would hear it. Personally I would rather - replace the miniscule amount of gas- (if there was any) verses -the safety of being able to quickly turn off the gas + less wear and tear on the valve + valve status for other users-.
Well, I see there are many different situations, and I am not familiar with the particulars of medical gasses. I do know that I have emptied bottles of argon gas (that cost me about $100) in just a few days due to leaking stems, and the leaks were silent.
@@RonCovell $100..Jesus man. I had to lookup your location. Everything is so much more expensive in Cali. A 65 Cuft Argon here in SC is about $42. That's retail cost, I don't get a discount on industrial gasses. Shame all you really talented fabricators are in CA. That nice weather must really be worth it 😃. Keep up the creative and clever work!
My large argon cylinders are about 260 cubic feet. Yes, a lot of things are more expensive in California than in other states. Gasoline is about $5/gallon. Sometimes I look at it as paying a 'weather tax'.
Thanks, Alan! The older I get, the more I look for ways to ease the stress my muscles and joints - it takes longer to recover from strains and injuries.
You don't have to tell me. I may only be in my 30s but I am constantly thinking about the same things. My hands, arms, and shoulders are really starting to show their use.
Handy 👍 even works on a rusty crack water tap knob. I wonder if there is another one that works on the lever handle type valve that commonly use on gas and garden host. Oridinary method will be using a pipe and put the lever handle and crank. But usually result in breaking handle or the valve itself. That is annoying..., and even raise to a level of danger especially those gas valve in the kitchen and bathroom.
Andre - I'm so glad you enjoyed that DVD. You may be interested to know that I have just finished the third video in the roadster body series. The discs should be back from the duplicator sometime next week, and it will be available to stream via Cinevee!
@@RonCovell No way, I will have to pick one up! Thats great, that must mean your closer to driving your 27T. If your on instagram I'm @aladegaillerie :) Cant wait to see the preview on here.
@@RonCovell I tried many methods to unscrew my CGA580 valve. It's a 3/4 inch valve with NGT threading. It's on a 20 cu ft steel helium tank. I would like to remove it and put further attachments. But it will not come off. It looks as if there may be some silicon/plumbing tape or puddy around the threading. Any ideas?
I have never removed one of these valves myself, but I believe they remove the valve on every cylinder when it is periodically pressure tested. Here's a link to the only video I could find on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/U5a66Jv3NlY/v-deo.html
I guess it's caused by over-tightening the packing on the valve stem. I hate to loosen the packing, since I don't want to cause a leak of expensive gas.
@@RonCovell - That reminds me. About 45 years ago I worked in the concession stand in a movie theater. They used BIG CO2 bottles to carbonated drinks. I had been welding since grade school. When I saw the stored CO2 bottles they were leaning against the wall! I knew the danger, but could not convince the manager to make them safe. So, I just came in one weekend and made secure racks for them. They had been lucky. Love your work!
a half inch square hole in the middle would be handy , as you could use a ratchet too , if the notion took you , mind im also surprised its not hand crafted from aluminium and polished to perfection
Tom Thompson - Yes, if a square hole was incorporated in the design, a ratchet wrench could be used. Fortunately, I've never seen a valve that required THAT much torque.
@@RonCovell I have a pneumatic tool that i dont use puts too much force, that coukd damage the valves, I will try the ratchet, I work in industrial 02 i open and close valve like 200 times a day, I am getting tired hands thatmight lead ti trigger finger or CTS
I thought you were going to make your old people's wrench out of iron with a three foot handle so you could get some real torque on that bad boy....I guess on second thought your way may be a little better...
the squeak when pressing in totally sold me :'D
Glad you liked it!
I've always been very impressed with your work sir. Very good idea for the handle. I for one am glad to see the slight whoops on one of the pin holes it's a bit of character in the build that says even the best can make mistakes.Thank you for the great idea. A quick simple solution not over engineered it just works 😎👍
Charlie Bardo - I used to go to a lot of trouble to re-shoot, or edit out my little flubs. The older I get, the more I realize that most people are tolerant of little mistakes, and in fact it is reassuring to them to see that even 'experts' have issues with their work, sometimes!
Ron never ceases to amaze me with his ingenuity .
Glad you liked it!
Nice idea. Ron, we need more sheet metal videos.
I promise there will be some more!
Thank you. We all love your work keep going. Best Regards from Egypt
Easier to just take a bar and put two pins into it much like with the circular handle.
Similar to the tool used to remove a disc from an angle gronder in principle.
That would be another good way to do it!
sometimes the low tech, non fancy bodge is all ya need!
You said it well!
I love when Ron Covell busts on over to woodworking mode!
I love working with both metal and wood. I have done a fair amount of work with various plastics, too!
Ron, as usual you have made a professional job of engineering to solve this problem. People will deal with the issue in different ways. But may fail to be creative, so messing an opportunity.
Todd - thanks so much! Fortunately, after months of use, that valve has loosened up so I no longer need to use that tool. It sure helped when I needed it, though!
Very clever and well made. My 1st thought was why not just return it and suggest the supplier check the tank valves before they release them. Then my 2nd thought, by the time you use to return it you have made a item that has corrected the current and future problem. Lastly, my 3rd though, I would tell the supplier of the problem next visit. I am sure my local supplier would take this issue very seriously and try to correct it.
But again - great idea and job!!
Tom - I did consider returning the tank, but I'm using a new supplier who is out-of-town, so it's not convenient. Thanks for your thoughts!
Awesome Ron, great idea , i got a new argon bottle this week that is exactly the same way.
I hate it when that happens - but now I'm prepared!
Great useful tip Ron. Thanks for taking the time to share. Joel....
Joel, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Well done. I have an argon bottle at work that will be getting this upgrade on Monday! Thanks for sharing.
I think you'll be pleased with how much easier it is to open a tight valve with this simple device!
Thanks for sharing this great tip.
You're welcome, and there will be more!
Be sure and let the gas supplier know when you return the empty to have the valve changed out.
Fortunately, that sticky valve freed itself up over time.
Great tip with the transfer punches and vise.
Thanks, Bill. I actually had to scratch my head for a while to figure how to measure the diameter of the hole circle for the aluminum pins, and as soon as I thought of using transfer punches, it was easy!
Clever Ron! I havent had a tight valve yet but thats only BC I have a very small fraction of your experience.
With any luck, you may never need such a device, but remember how easy it is to make this device, should you ever need one.
I know this is an old video but I have something to consider. You mention in your video to open the valve completely. I advise all my customers ( dental and vets) to only open the valves 2 turns. There are 2 benefits to this advice.
1. Should an emergency occur, you can quickly turn the gas off if needed.
2. If someone left the gas on and the tank was completely empty, it is easy to determine the status of the take. A completely empty take where the valve is fully open , could be thought of as a valve that is fully closed but very hard to open.
I have had customer use "tools" to try and force open a valve that was already fully open, and they break the valve.
Never open a tank fully in production environment.
I see your point, but with the expense of gasses, I believe it is better in most cases to open the valves completely so they don't leak.
One exception is for flammable acetylene gas (which is not pressurized as much as other gasses).
For safety reasons, it is recommended to only open an acetylene tank valve about a half turn, so it can be quickly closed if an emergency occurs. Since the gas is never at the higher pressures that most other gasses are stored at, leakage through the stem packing is not much of an issue.
@@RonCovell I buy medical grade Oxygen 350Cuft for $8 and sell for $37 from a welding supplier just like everybody else. I also own a little over 175 Oxygen / Nitrous cylinders plus a few nitrogen, and 55 or so e-tanks. And in 10 years of business I have had 1 cylinder fail at the stem. My customers use their tanks everyday, and open/ close them 4 times a day. Open in morning , close and open during lunch, close at quitting time. All told, I have had to replace 4 valves. 1 of which a customer broke while forcing open. When I deliver gas, It's often in a very quiet place and if leaking were occurring, I would hear it.
Personally I would rather - replace the miniscule amount of gas- (if there was any) verses -the safety of being able to quickly turn off the gas + less wear and tear on the valve + valve status for other users-.
Well, I see there are many different situations, and I am not familiar with the particulars of medical gasses. I do know that I have emptied bottles of argon gas (that cost me about $100) in just a few days due to leaking stems, and the leaks were silent.
@@RonCovell $100..Jesus man. I had to lookup your location. Everything is so much more expensive in Cali. A 65 Cuft Argon here in SC is about $42. That's retail cost, I don't get a discount on industrial gasses. Shame all you really talented fabricators are in CA. That nice weather must really be worth it 😃. Keep up the creative and clever work!
My large argon cylinders are about 260 cubic feet. Yes, a lot of things are more expensive in California than in other states. Gasoline is about $5/gallon. Sometimes I look at it as paying a 'weather tax'.
Good job 👍 I enjoyed watching this
Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for taking the time to send a comment!
We have a a young buck that goes to gym and built like a gorrila. We just get him to do it haha .. great video!!!
If he lived nearby, I probably wouldn't have had to make that handle!
Awesome idea ! Love your tips!
Great - there will be more to come!
Great idea Ron. I hate when you get those sticky bottles.
Thanks, Alan! The older I get, the more I look for ways to ease the stress my muscles and joints - it takes longer to recover from strains and injuries.
You don't have to tell me. I may only be in my 30s but I am constantly thinking about the same things. My hands, arms, and shoulders are really starting to show their use.
That's a great idea.
Glad you liked it!
I was glad you did not set up a electric impact. Great idea.
Glad you liked it!
Handy 👍 even works on a rusty crack water tap knob. I wonder if there is another one that works on the lever handle type valve that commonly use on gas and garden host.
Oridinary method will be using a pipe and put the lever handle and crank. But usually result in breaking handle or the valve itself. That is annoying..., and even raise to a level of danger especially those gas valve in the kitchen and bathroom.
Hmm - I'll start working on those when the need arises!
Clever! I guess the channel locks were a lil too much 🤣
Well, that's one way!
MDF is a great material to work with, and to work metal with!
Yes, I use MDF a lot for bucks, and for hammerforms: ua-cam.com/video/gtHj34WQCCk/v-deo.html
@@RonCovell I love this video, I bought the DVD because I watched the youtube version no kidding 15 times. I truly love metal shaping.
Andre - I'm so glad you enjoyed that DVD. You may be interested to know that I have just finished the third video in the roadster body series. The discs should be back from the duplicator sometime next week, and it will be available to stream via Cinevee!
@@RonCovell No way, I will have to pick one up! Thats great, that must mean your closer to driving your 27T. If your on instagram I'm @aladegaillerie :) Cant wait to see the preview on here.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
You're a smart cookie !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hello, would you at all be willing to make one of these for sale?
Yes - you can contact me via email at:
covell@cruzio.com
I made a crank handle for the same situation. Good idea.
Hey, I never thought of a crank. What a great idea!
Is there any way to remove the whole CGA580 valve itself?
Yes - on an empty cylinder, the valve can be unscrewed - I believe it uses a standard pipe thread.
@@RonCovell I tried many methods to unscrew my CGA580 valve. It's a 3/4 inch valve with NGT threading. It's on a 20 cu ft steel helium tank. I would like to remove it and put further attachments. But it will not come off. It looks as if there may be some silicon/plumbing tape or puddy around the threading. Any ideas?
I have never removed one of these valves myself, but I believe they remove the valve on every cylinder when it is periodically pressure tested. Here's a link to the only video I could find on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/U5a66Jv3NlY/v-deo.html
Did not know about opening the valve all the way to prevent gas loss. Thanks for that info!
WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE TIGHTNESS ANYWAY - CAN THE GAS SUPPLIER FIX IT
I guess it's caused by over-tightening the packing on the valve stem. I hate to loosen the packing, since I don't want to cause a leak of expensive gas.
Awesome!
Thank you very much!
Can those be filled up with co2?
Yes! Your local fast-food joint with a multiple-beverage dispenser probably uses a CO2 bottle to pressurize the drinks.
@@RonCovell - That reminds me. About 45 years ago I worked in the concession stand in a movie theater. They used BIG CO2 bottles to carbonated drinks. I had been welding since grade school. When I saw the stored CO2 bottles they were leaning against the wall! I knew the danger, but could not convince the manager to make them safe. So, I just came in one weekend and made secure racks for them. They had been lucky. Love your work!
Can you make em for pickle jars too
Of course!
I used to open 120 these kind of valve and then close them every two days. My hands hurted.If a had a tool like that I had no problem.
Yeah - that could hurt!
a half inch square hole in the middle would be handy , as you could use a ratchet too , if the notion took you ,
mind im also surprised its not hand crafted from aluminium and polished to perfection
Tom Thompson - Yes, if a square hole was incorporated in the design, a ratchet wrench could be used. Fortunately, I've never seen a valve that required THAT much torque.
speed was more what i had in mind lol
You need a universal valve open/close tool by
Ratermann and a ratchet
Hey, I had to look that up online, but it seems like the ideal solution!
@@RonCovell you can use a car oil filter pressure tool, if is one bottle ,
@@RonCovell I have a pneumatic tool that i dont use puts too much force, that coukd damage the valves, I will try the ratchet, I work in industrial 02 i open and close valve like 200 times a day, I am getting tired hands thatmight lead ti trigger finger or CTS
@@RonCovell to open the caps I use a open wrench in gge hole prying it, it works well
Glad to hear you are being smart about it!
LOL i'd just have stuck a pair of vicegrips on the stem
Well, that would certainly work!
Smart!
Thanks!
I dropped my tank and the knob broke off what do I do
If only the hand wheel is broken, it is replaceable. If the stem is broken, the valve can be unscrewed from the cylinder, and replaced.
Ron Covell I have like 5 pounds of nitrous in theirrr!!!
Do I just take it too a body shop sell it back to them
I thought you were going to make your old people's wrench out of iron with a three foot handle so you could get some real torque on that bad boy....I guess on second thought your way may be a little better...
There is more than one way to skin a cat!