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Kinetic tremors plus explosive extends your damage to infinite range. Get those six shots (or five with enhanced kinetic tremors) and the tremors proc at the target's location for full damage, so long as they don't exit the radius of effect. Plus it also damages the other enemies in the vicinity. That's the best combo imho.
This thing is going to disappear so fast from PvP when Luna's Howl comes out and everyone stops huffing all the copium, but man alive it's truly terrific in PvE.
It’s not copium though. For some people this gun feels better than Rose. Obviously not the case for EVERYONE but I would agree. Plus it can get 75 range which is PLENTY on 140. Yes that reduces the stability heavily but if you’re using the god roll (which would include zen moment) then the stability stat is almost pointless and isn’t that important for good players anyways. Idk maybe it’s just me but my already high stats have skyrocketed even more since using it 🤷🏻♂️
@@whatifwaterwaschunky7199 stats aren't that impressive for a 140, combined with meh 4th column perks. Magnificent Howl is bad, Opening Shot is cope, Kill Clip for 6's and I'd need to try out Precision Instrument on a 140. Eye of the Storm or Heal Clip in 3rd are good. No explosive or Zen moment is a little rough too.
Finished this video. Immediately went into Onslaught and pulled a Full Bore Accurized Explosive Frenzy with a Reload Masterwork. LOL. Well I guess thats my luck for the next 4 years...
@PeterMorgan-dh9wf lol sounds pretty solid to me.. id prefer one 4 all.. but freanzy pretty much just stays and biffs other things too soo.. pretty dam solid
Can you check math for us, since content creates seem unwilling? Does Frenzy only buff the impact portion of damage from Explosive Payload, like Rampage used to do (and presumably still does). I haven't tested this in a while, but Explosive Payload used to have anti synergy with other damage perks like Rampage. Presumably it still does, which hurts Frenzy, OFA, Desperate Measures, etc. Check and see if the explosion part of the damage gets the 15% buff, or if it's only the impact portion.
Firefly stinks.. takes to much effort in a pinch to worry about it.. not to mention its morenlike a firework then an explosion lol.. the reward just osnt there.. explosive payload 14all is head and shoulders above the rest.. in the game lol
As someone without a Fatebringer, was rather happy to get my first shiny Coup last night with Explosive and Frenzy / Kin. Tremors. (corkscrew, tactical, range mw). Using the Frenzy option mainly but glad to have K tremors as an alternate option. Have been using Sunshot / Tusk of the Boar combo a lot lately but great to have this Coup to switch up my loadouts. Cheers
Firefly and Kinetic Tremors is a great roll, great for ad clear and can handle majors quickly and even not a bad option for small boss dps if your out of heavy or special. I’m not a huge fan of frenzy, it feels like it’s never active for me…
IMO I think firefly plus kinetic tremors is the best role. Firefly to clear out the trash and kt for the big guys especially if you’re using a gl for special. Also I feel like kt solves the range issue a bit but not as well as explosive.
This is my new favorite hand cannon. It's amazing. I love my firefly/desperate measures midnight coup, already have over 3000 kills in a day just running onslaught.
Firefly / One for All is the best way to go because firefly also gives 50 reload speed. It's also the better perk for add clear which is what people will be using this gun for as there are better handcannons for champs, etc. Explosive payload's range just doesn't do as well as firefly when clearing adds or activating One for All.
Keep trying for explosive payload 14all.. seriously makes orpheus rig hunter a top build.. kenetic aoe with a constant 30% dmg buff while u debuff.. pretty ridiculous
I’ve been looking for a good kinetic weapon to use in PvE to take into The Final Shape when it releases and rn the Coup is my favourite, it feels so much better then my EP / Firefly Fatebringer, I also have a Zaoulis crafted but with kinetic weapons in the final shape your transcendence bars fill at the same time making kinetics so much more viable then they are now
I love how all of the grinding we did for other weapons got completely voided with the reintroduction of things like mountain top, edge transit, midnight coup,
Edge is just a good gl you still gonna use other elemental gls for double dipping surge and MT is a single target burst gun not add clear like waves and even breach loading.
i prefer [ explosive payload + kinetic tremor ] since explosive count as 2 hit so you only need 3 hit for trigger kinetic tremor and it make tons of power orb
I think I'm gonna stick to using my 120 rpm true prophecy hand cannon though i got 688 kills with it in pvp matches practicing my pro expert shooting skills it's mostly why I keep them around for stable hand control movements they are really better at having 10% low stability than others
everyone saying that the missing subclass synergy’s make this weapon mid, you need to remember kinetic weapons will be HUGE for prismatic transcendence in the final shape.
Kinetic weapons can charge both light and dark slot and prismatic perks works for all kenetic weapons, but energy weapons only can only give energy for their own element and need their specific perks for buffing(example: solar weapon dmg buff can only buff solar dmg) @@ryanxiedy
I got explosive payload + OFA and fire fly + OFA midnight coup. Ive been farming for the shiny with fire fly or explosive payload for days of constant onslaught but no luck so far
i was gonna go to bed, but now that i've seen Midnigh Coup is the hand cannon we get from Onslaught maybe i'll run that some more. sucks i don't have any friends to run the harder version with but w/e
Attun it at Tha Hall and play Onslaught. Every boss chest has a chance to drop it. Weekly bounties also have a chance to drop it as do the engrams at Shaxx and the chest next to shaxx for 10 brave tokens. Oh, and for every 50 waves completed up to 150 total you have a chance and all that can be done 3 times weekly 1 per character.
Does Explosive Payload still have anti synergy with damage perks like Rampage/Frenzy? Does the damage buff from a damage increasing perk still only buff the impact portion of Explosive Payload and not the explosion part? I find it difficult to believe that nobody is testing this. I find it much easier to believe why I can't test it for myself (bad rng 😂).
Yes, surprised he didn't mention that in the Fatebringer comparison, I would think that would have tipped the scales for him in Coup's favor. Origin trait plus enhanced perks trumps an adept mod (you may not even want to use).
I only use legendary handcannons to stun champions, the slow reload and low magazine makes handcannons not that good for slaying large groups of enemies
The only hc that can outdamage malf is probably Wardens law with fttc extended and vorpal and it's still iffy cause i think the comparison is with lucky pants which wardens stack faster.
I have a decent Firefly roll, but Small Bore, Accurized, Explosive, and Desperate Measures is the roll I can’t put down in higher level content. As long as you are doing some melee or grenade damage when playing, the weapon’s damage output is WAY more effective than all the cool explody things you can do using Firefly, though it is fun to use.
ok... I'm comparing my Normal version Fatebringer to your timelost... I have 56 range, 70 stability, 58 handling, 64 reload speed, same aim assist, zoom and airborn.. I think my fatebringer is a true godroll
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For a PVE comparison you would have been better off comparing it to the adept wardens law with frenzy and fourth time's the charm
Kinetic tremors plus explosive extends your damage to infinite range. Get those six shots (or five with enhanced kinetic tremors) and the tremors proc at the target's location for full damage, so long as they don't exit the radius of effect. Plus it also damages the other enemies in the vicinity. That's the best combo imho.
This thing is going to disappear so fast from PvP when Luna's Howl comes out and everyone stops huffing all the copium, but man alive it's truly terrific in PvE.
Personally I don't care for either in PvP but how are you out here telling people to cope when Luna's Howl is gonna be mid.
@@EntsForest Go to D2 Foundry and build Luna's Howl and compare it to top handcannons. Luna's Howl is going to be strong.
@@EntsForesti would love to see your explanation as to why Luna's will be mid
It’s not copium though. For some people this gun feels better than Rose. Obviously not the case for EVERYONE but I would agree. Plus it can get 75 range which is PLENTY on 140. Yes that reduces the stability heavily but if you’re using the god roll (which would include zen moment) then the stability stat is almost pointless and isn’t that important for good players anyways. Idk maybe it’s just me but my already high stats have skyrocketed even more since using it 🤷🏻♂️
@@whatifwaterwaschunky7199 stats aren't that impressive for a 140, combined with meh 4th column perks. Magnificent Howl is bad, Opening Shot is cope, Kill Clip for 6's and I'd need to try out Precision Instrument on a 140. Eye of the Storm or Heal Clip in 3rd are good. No explosive or Zen moment is a little rough too.
Finished this video. Immediately went into Onslaught and pulled a Full Bore Accurized Explosive Frenzy with a Reload Masterwork. LOL. Well I guess thats my luck for the next 4 years...
Lol
@PeterMorgan-dh9wf lol sounds pretty solid to me.. id prefer one 4 all.. but freanzy pretty much just stays and biffs other things too soo.. pretty dam solid
@@EreptileDysfunction it's good what are you talking ab xD
Can you check math for us, since content creates seem unwilling? Does Frenzy only buff the impact portion of damage from Explosive Payload, like Rampage used to do (and presumably still does).
I haven't tested this in a while, but Explosive Payload used to have anti synergy with other damage perks like Rampage. Presumably it still does, which hurts Frenzy, OFA, Desperate Measures, etc.
Check and see if the explosion part of the damage gets the 15% buff, or if it's only the impact portion.
Im a solo player, so I’ll never get Zaoulii’s bane or Fate B. Glad to finally get a raid level hand cannon
Ever heard of lfg
Kings fall hc is the best hc in the game for pve
@@joejack2446 you missed the word “solo”
@@ilovemapledrumsspaun4083 I use it when I can’t equip the Sun shot, but midnight is a kinetic gun
@@ilovemapledrumsspaun4083 RR is good in the crucible, but I’m not a fan of 120’s in PvE
The damage from Firefly is also increased by OFA or Rampage
Firefly stinks.. takes to much effort in a pinch to worry about it.. not to mention its morenlike a firework then an explosion lol.. the reward just osnt there.. explosive payload 14all is head and shoulders above the rest.. in the game lol
@@mattp8654 Firefly is absolutely better for add clear, which is what this gun is for. It's not the gun's fault if you can't hit precisions.
@@ZetzMemp prob lol
I just got a shiny with explosive payload/ firefly + Kinetic tremors/ One for all. That’s wild
What is up, guys? It's your BOY! hand cannon Kackis! 😂
As someone without a Fatebringer, was rather happy to get my first shiny Coup last night with Explosive and Frenzy / Kin. Tremors. (corkscrew, tactical, range mw). Using the Frenzy option mainly but glad to have K tremors as an alternate option. Have been using Sunshot / Tusk of the Boar combo a lot lately but great to have this Coup to switch up my loadouts. Cheers
I got a firefly + rampage and I've been in love with this hand cannon
Firefly and Kinetic Tremors is a great roll, great for ad clear and can handle majors quickly and even not a bad option for small boss dps if your out of heavy or special.
I’m not a huge fan of frenzy, it feels like it’s never active for me…
IMO I think firefly plus kinetic tremors is the best role. Firefly to clear out the trash and kt for the big guys especially if you’re using a gl for special. Also I feel like kt solves the range issue a bit but not as well as explosive.
This is my new favorite hand cannon. It's amazing. I love my firefly/desperate measures midnight coup, already have over 3000 kills in a day just running onslaught.
Firefly / One for All is the best way to go because firefly also gives 50 reload speed. It's also the better perk for add clear which is what people will be using this gun for as there are better handcannons for champs, etc. Explosive payload's range just doesn't do as well as firefly when clearing adds or activating One for All.
Just looked at my inventory and fount one with firefly and ofa. Thanx for the info and vid Rick.
That’s the roll I got was with FF/Frenzy and I love it👌🏻. Still waiting to get EP on it though.
So, what would be better, Frezy, Rampage, or Deperate Mesaures? I have several Coups with these perks with Firefly or Explosive Payload.
I have kept 2 rolls so far: explosive payload/OfA, and firefly/OfA. And they both are actually nuts!
As soon as I went to the attunement I did 10 round run of onslaught I got Firefly / Kinetic tremors on mine so I'll gold
I got a firefly, one for all both enhanced and it's the best handcannon for pve by far with those rolls.
I got a midnight coup with explosive payload and kinetic tremors. Options are rampage and outlaw
Got the same just not with the double perks
Keep trying for explosive payload 14all.. seriously makes orpheus rig hunter a top build.. kenetic aoe with a constant 30% dmg buff while u debuff.. pretty ridiculous
I love my Osmosis/Firefly Fatebringer. Still hunting for that shiny midnight though.
Ace of Spades Steady Hand and Survivor’s Epitaph are still my all time Favorite primary Hand Cannons
Survivor's Epitaph is sooooo good!!
explosive rampage is my current shiny roll and im rolling with it tbh. it's so good lol
I’ve been looking for a good kinetic weapon to use in PvE to take into The Final Shape when it releases and rn the Coup is my favourite, it feels so much better then my EP / Firefly Fatebringer, I also have a Zaoulis crafted but with kinetic weapons in the final shape your transcendence bars fill at the same time making kinetics so much more viable then they are now
I feel like i mightve enjoyed seeing it come back as stran or stasis just for a little extra spice
Thanks for posting this i was just thinking kin/fly but i HATE reloading slow so this will be my fave
My fatebringer never gets out of my vault again
I got a firefly kinetic tremors roll, now my aim is to get a 4 perk one with firefly, explosive payload and kinetic tremors, one for all roll
Aren’t those perks going to be in enhancable come final shape as well ?
I love how all of the grinding we did for other weapons got completely voided with the reintroduction of things like mountain top, edge transit, midnight coup,
Kinda what's going to happen in games like this either that or you'll just complain that the weapons aren't worth it there's no middle ground
Edge is just a good gl you still gonna use other elemental gls for double dipping surge and MT is a single target burst gun not add clear like waves and even breach loading.
i prefer [ explosive payload + kinetic tremor ] since explosive count as 2 hit so you only need 3 hit for trigger kinetic tremor and it make tons of power orb
what are you onto my guy? sad to tell you that KT still only procs after 6 hits even with EP
Still takes 6hit my boi
@@alberb if it's not work then there's no point for using this hand cannon in pve ... trash then .
Im using a auto for a kinect weap just saying. A good krait with indetded kindess or irritive loop and dragonsbreath or doomed partitioner.
😂 i’ve watched you forever. You only play Destiny 2 and I finally subscribed.
I think I'm gonna stick to using my 120 rpm true prophecy hand cannon though
i got 688 kills with it in pvp matches
practicing my pro expert shooting skills
it's mostly why I keep them around for stable hand control movements
they are really better at having 10% low stability than others
Have the kinetic explosive roll first try and my friends were annoyed about the stupid luck I have
I got explosive plus frenzy plus range on masterwork. Should I keep this one?
Aren’t you also able to put on improved versions of the perks in these Brave weapons at some point, or did I hallucinate that?
Got a shiny with Firefly/Outlaw and Zen Moment/Opening Shot. Excited
I got one with explosive payload + rampage and firefly + frenzy 😁
everyone saying that the missing subclass synergy’s make this weapon mid, you need to remember kinetic weapons will be HUGE for prismatic transcendence in the final shape.
How so?
Kinetic weapons can charge both light and dark slot and prismatic perks works for all kenetic weapons, but energy weapons only can only give energy for their own element and need their specific perks for buffing(example: solar weapon dmg buff can only buff solar dmg) @@ryanxiedy
@@ryanxiedyfrom how I understand it, kinetic weapons will fill both the darkness and light bars on prismatic, allowing you to be transcendent faster
Explosive payload is bad in this gun ... Better go with firefly in that column , so by doing this u get a sunshot like gun in ur kinetic slot
After watching this I checked and I have the explosive plus frenzy. I guess I lucked out.
Is firefly and desperate measure good?
I got a firefly/one for all roll and it’s amazing.
I got explosive payload + OFA and fire fly + OFA midnight coup. Ive been farming for the shiny with fire fly or explosive payload for days of constant onslaught but no luck so far
I got one with explosive and desperate measures for my midnight coup
I'm not defending plunder, but the sidearm is good asf
I have a EP/OFA and firefly/kinetic and the firefly one is much better for add clears even though the EP has a higher dmg potential
Wardens Law has a way better Damage and rounds per minute, wouldn’t that make it the best PVE kinetic hand cannon on base stats alone ?
I just got a shiny with explosive/firefly frenzy/kinetic tremors I wish it had 14A
i was gonna go to bed, but now that i've seen Midnigh Coup is the hand cannon we get from Onslaught maybe i'll run that some more. sucks i don't have any friends to run the harder version with but w/e
I’ll run it with you just cleared legend with all void hunters lol
Is the Coup locked behind the legendary onslaught?
No. Legend onslaught just gives more chests @@DoomiePookie
Unfortunately, have mc on 1st slot is not worth sacrificing izi/wh/supremecy/mountaintop with sunshot in 2nd slot, it will never get used
Fatebringer still the best for me. Love this Gun
but do the double down damage explosive perks enhance the origin trait , how much will it take ?
Are the ones we get from the quest god rolls?
I got AC Rounds, Firefly and Frenzy…Bomb!
WIsh it had osmosis has a perk pair that with e.p . with Indebted Kindness with beacon rounds and permeability so much synergy with subclass verbs
I think desperate measures is a way better perk than frenzy ☺️
how long will the midnight coup be in the loot pool for that gamemode?
Wardens law lucky pants, this thing is nowhere near I'll ever stick with that all day long
In pvp console very average pvp with kinetic tremors and firefly is very op, but as a pvp main my igneous and palindrome shreds no competition
Legendary primary’s feel so bad
Laughs in Tusk of the Boar
Bro, igneous exists
@alexanderkorn4730 laughs in........
40+ engrams turned in and no Tusk......😔
@@excalibur2817think he meant in the primary slot.
You're tripping 😂 what primaries are you using they are extremely powerful
I actually have Explosive Payload/One for All and Firefly/Kinetic Tremors...took a long time to get them though. Drop rates are god awful.
I got a shiny with firefly or explosive and kinetic tremors or zen moment
Great minds think a like! 🤝 This role has been my absolute favorite for PVE!
How do you get it again ? Is it a drop or you have to do something specific to get it?
Attun it at Tha Hall and play Onslaught. Every boss chest has a chance to drop it.
Weekly bounties also have a chance to drop it as do the engrams at Shaxx and the chest next to shaxx for 10 brave tokens. Oh, and for every 50 waves completed up to 150 total you have a chance and all that can be done 3 times weekly 1 per character.
Got shiny EP + OFA or KT, reload masterwork. I can confirm you its God Tier
Do the shiny ones only drop from Legend? Is there any other benefit for doing legend?
@@dave1102I’ve gotten plenty of shinies on normal
@@KayronTho Okay cool, thanks! Guess I'll keep grinding then ha ha
@@dave1102 I would still recommend grinding legend for just the first 10-20 waves though because you get twice the loot.
@@KayronTho Okay great - thanks! I'll give it a bash. Any reccos for a Meta titan build?
Does this weapon feel like Dire promise?
Does Explosive Payload still have anti synergy with damage perks like Rampage/Frenzy?
Does the damage buff from a damage increasing perk still only buff the impact portion of Explosive Payload and not the explosion part?
I find it difficult to believe that nobody is testing this. I find it much easier to believe why I can't test it for myself (bad rng 😂).
How often do you see someone use heir apparent as a main machine build??
Now if only Bungie would give me them since I'm focusing it. I'll get two on a full run, yet I'll get three or four of other weapons.
The game has a fetish for giving me Midnight Coups with "Shoot to Loot." Sharded so many for this reason.
A great video to start the day off on UA-cam!
I got one that's got firefly & one for all & explosive payload & one for all but shame they ent gold 😂
So you telling me this gun is better then a master worked malfeasance????
aren't we also able to upgrade to enhanced perks once final shape comes out with the brave arsenal weapons???
Yes, surprised he didn't mention that in the Fatebringer comparison, I would think that would have tipped the scales for him in Coup's favor.
Origin trait plus enhanced perks trumps an adept mod (you may not even want to use).
Been using my timelost fatebringer a lot lately
I only use legendary handcannons to stun champions, the slow reload and low magazine makes handcannons not that good for slaying large groups of enemies
i got shinny firefly/ofa with good range and it has officially retired my fatebringer
Dos it drop by the end of a fulltime run,pre can i by it
Ore
Eh. I have a Fatebringer that I like and feels good to use.
does this out damage malfesance? i know it takes up a exotic slot but does it outdamage it?
The only hc that can outdamage malf is probably Wardens law with fttc extended and vorpal and it's still iffy cause i think the comparison is with lucky pants which wardens stack faster.
Midnight godroll acquired, I have ascended to god hood
Got me a Firefly/Frenzy today
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Rick other hand cannons Kackis
Fatebringer works just fine still
It really is pretty amazing at the moment
Season of plunder had some goated weapons. Wat
Was hoping for osmosis on it but it sadly dosent
I have a decent Firefly roll, but Small Bore, Accurized, Explosive, and Desperate Measures is the roll I can’t put down in higher level content. As long as you are doing some melee or grenade damage when playing, the weapon’s damage output is WAY more effective than all the cool explody things you can do using Firefly, though it is fun to use.
ok... I'm comparing my Normal version Fatebringer to your timelost... I have 56 range, 70 stability, 58 handling, 64 reload speed, same aim assist, zoom and airborn.. I think my fatebringer is a true godroll
HEY season of plunder gave me my fav sidearm 😁
Midnight Coup is a 150rpm gun masquerading as a 140. It has the stats of a old 150 handcannons
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Eh, I'll stick to my trusty Zaouli's.
Noob
Fair but make sure you have a solid kinetic option for final shape as itll build both sides of the transcendence bar for the new su class
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I stayed till my man started explaining what explosive payload... No one watching this video is lost on what the perks do ✌🏾