I was really intrigued to test out explosive payload + frenzy, but to my surprise my shiny midnight coup with explosive payload + kinetic tremors rolled with frenzy as another option!
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4I would’ve continued to farm for the EP/Firefly + KT/Frenzy. Firefly may not be the best, but in low level content it completely shreds through adds. Pair it with Frenzy for the extra damage, and even Majors+ will go down quickly, and take everything around them out. So. Mountain Top Midnight Coup Edge Transit Falling Guillotine (Maybe) Whatever else that comes out and is meta. The only problem with Guillotien is that there are other, equal power meta swords, and the previous version of it is still a contender when it comes to damage. The only bonus is that this guillotien will get enhanced perks.
Honestly? For content with really high add density and high health targets I do think Explosive + One for All is the way to go. Since you're not going to be killing targets in one shot with frenzy and tremors won't really activate on anything short of a high health target it's going to be active very frequently and do MORE damage while active. It is a change in playstyle for most people but I think it might be the most mathematically optimal roll.
i agree with your comment and also the testing is cool but also skewed, you dont play gm's like that put on a legit loadout and use the weapon in distances that you would normally use it. one for all is an end game perk, anytime you are not relying on a "kill" activation perk is superb for endgame.
Kenetic tremors just does a loooot of damage so a 35% damage increase doesn't come close to kenetic tremors I promise it's that good and area damage and flinch like explosive Payload
See I prefer Firefly on this gun because I see it as an add clear gun. I still think Adept Warden's Law is the go to for heftier targets if you have it. I'll collect both though for whatever situation.
From (Timelost) to (Get Lost), I totally agree with your choices. I do still need the Frenzy roll but there's plenty of time and Attunement really works. Cheers for all you do.
Maven I love when you make this kind of content. The comparisons and detailed explanations is really helpful and you’re straight to the point. Thank you for the work you put into these videos and I appreciate you
I'm gonna have to disagree that EP+Frenzy is the godroll for difficult content. At 8:42 you took 11 shots at a red bar Centiurion and it still did not die. With EP+Kinetic Tremors, that Centurion, along with any trash mobs around it, would've died.
I really like firefly + Kinect tremors for medium level content because of the easy ad clear and also being able to deal with yellow bars. But I do understand that for harder content you're absolutely right
as an original og coup junkie i farmed 109 coups, had capped coins too waitin for it.. kept 2 Golden one for pvp one for pve. Pvp roll > smallbore / accurized / explosive or movin target / zen moment or opening shot and Pve roll > smallbore / accurized or tactical / explosive or firefly / one for all or frenzy ... the latter obtained about 35 hours ago and already is on 5k kills
Firefly is a reload perk with AoE. Throwing One for All in as a damage perk makes it so well rounded. I'm rarely ever using primary on something other than a red bar
I just think Rampage is easier to proc than either OFA or KT. I know Ranpage starts with less of a bonus, but I would think it would have more overall uptime than any of the damage boosters due to ease of use
This is super late but one for all + firefly has been incredible for me, get a fast reload with a precision kill and if the blast from firefly hits other targets, +35% damage for a solid time.
I just got explosive frenzy and I like it for single targets but the explosive one for all can be procd off of just two enemies and I could proc it from complete safety. I don't have to wait for the buff to turn on so they both have great benefits. I guess there really is no perfect roll for everything . Explosive kinetic paired with severing burst from strand is nice also !
Alloy mag Maven!! It’s a reload scalar instead of a flat increase to the reload stat. You’re already going to be having frenzy up and dumping all shots in your mag into either ads or a major.
While I appreciate your final analysis in the Hypernet, I'm not so sure it's a relevant use case. Against solar-shielded Cabal, I think most people would use, in order of preference (and depending on artifact mods), Skyburner, Sunshot, Polaris Lance, Ticcu's Divination, or even Prometheus' Lens. I don't know anyone who would use a kinetic HC in that situation. Now, if it were the Birthplace of the Vile, or one of the coil pathways where there are a ton of isolated, mid-range engagements, with unshielded, hard-to-crit adds (like Vex) and plenty of cover...
What I don't really like about frenzy is that you have to be looking for ads constantly if not the perk goes away, and to reproc it takes too long for my taste
Definitely love midnight coup. I have many rolls for many builds. Currently rocking EP + DM on my Midnight Coup with arrowhead brake and flared magwell on a reload mw. The build is a contraverse voidlock. Grenades and explosions everywhere. Im using Telesto even though the BiS energy void will always be Buried Bloodline. Midnight Coup will be the star of the show.
I spent hrs and hrs and hrs chasing the Firefly, One for all. And when I finally got it it doesnt feel near as good as my Explosive Payload, One for All. Its hard to beat the 35% dmg buff. And in something like Onslaught it's so easy to keep One for All procked. Much Much easier than I originally expected. I get what you're saying about frenzy's uptime. But I honestly feel like one for all being over double the dmg and being easy as hell to prock might equate to more dmg overall. Def Needs testing tho.
I deleted all drops because of low range. I finally got an explosive payload with zen moment and range MW. I got a similar range on another with outlaw and kinetic tremors. Those are worth keeping.
I got a shiny with arrowhead, accurized/apended, firefly/attrition, and desperate/frenzy. It’s nice to have firefly + desperate for ability loadouts and firefly + frenzy for non ability builds
KT plus AO (aside from KT/FF) is probably the most "all rounder" combo for this gun. I've never been a fan of damage perks on weapons as the way D2 is spaced out, a lot of times the damage perks will fall off (unless you're raiding, or doing battlegrounds or similar with HD ads). Getting a free orb or two via shooting beefier targets is worth more to me than being able to kill trash ads quicker; also, the KT stuns/staggers most enemies in the game three times when it procs.
Fire fly IMO is the best first slot perk due to the splash damage and the add clear it provides. Plus a reload bonus. Fire fly and kinetic tremors is extremely underrated role even if they don’t have direct synergy it can clear adds and tanks enemies on both ends
I’d recommend firefly/explosive payload + one for all. IMO, 6 shots to proc kinetic tremors (5 if enhanced) is not worth it in most scenarios if you have special or heavy. But it’s not horrible in grand master scenarios. One for all is a huge 35% increased damage for 10 seconds, and firefly can easily proc is. You will shred through ads and get easy 1 hit crit kills to keep changing explosions. It’s definitely the best ad clear role. I also have been enjoying explosive payload and one for all. Explosive payload is not only a free 10-15% increase in damage (plus damage fall off mitigator), but the aoe of the bullet can also proc one for all luckily. This is the best for ad clear in high end content. Best rolls: 1. Firefly + one for all - for general play and solid ad clear. Good damage and explosions. 2. Explosive payload + one for all - good for general play but takes a more damage roll rather than aoe roll. Scales better in higher end content as well. 3. Explosive payload + kinetic tremors - huge single target damage. I love it for champions, as explosive payload cuts down to amount of shots it takes to stun over loads (and also allows easier free one shots on some easier red bars). Kinetic tremors also builds into that single target damage style of play for this hand cannon. This roll excels in grand masters and the newest raid (I recommend enhancing tremors though. It’s rlly needed) 4. Tremors + firefly - allows somewhat ok single target damage, and firefly allows ad clear. However, without a decent damage perk, it’s ad clear (the main role of a primary weapon) is hindered. And without explosive payload, it’s champ stunning and single target damage takes a hit. This role is more of a “hey, this is neat” role, and doesn’t excel at anything. It’s more of a collectors role, but is a solid 8/10 weapon for the average player.
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After messing with most/all of the great rolls, can confirm that Explosive Payload/One For All is the absolute boss! In 10 yrs of Destiny, I don't actually recall a legendary primary, better than the Coup with this roll. (*have been using mostly in Onslaught)
I got firefly one for all and explosive one for all. I want a tremor one for all. I know it doesn’t proc faster but why not have a damage boost from explosive and after 6 shots kinetic tremors goes off. I need that roll for tanky enemies. Pairs well with the special ammo side arms like indebted kindnesses
attrition orbs is based on mag size its 67% rounded down plus 2 it is good on weapons with high firerate low mag ie the new multimach which can get attrition orbs and kinetic tremors; what you should have tested was if kinetic tremors could proc attrition orbs as it would only need to hit 2 enemies to proc attrition this is where they synergise as its is a small mag size when relative to breakneck or multimach
Thank you for saying this! A lot of God Roll videos only talk about numbers and percentages and don't acknowledge that some perks really require you to change up your playstyle like One for All. I'm not bellow learning new techniques, but I don't feel like remembering to do a little quirk with some random roll weapon like hitting separate targets or crouching before I reload to get the full benefit.
With one for all , ya just shoot . That's it . No thought or play style change . Same with frenzy if you're close enough to the enemies .so many great rolls you can't go wrong .
@@chinochimp With one for all your forced to change targets to hit 3 different enemies to get it to proc. With any other roll you can focus the same targets head untill till its dead and then transfer to the next target. In the time your transfer between enemies you could of killed that add and had less enemies shooting you at once.
@@Danger597 theres like a 4 second timer between needing to hit the shots for ofa. you kill one enemy, then a second, then a third, and now you have a 35% damage buff for 10 seconds. if its taking you more than 4 seconds to kill an enemy and move on to the next then you shouldnt be using your primary anyway you should be using a special or heavy
I've used both Frenzy Roll and KT Roll.. I've been doing the higher end content with that specific nightfall I feel KT roll is stronger, I actually feel surprised in some situations I've come across with yellow bars and seeing how quick they went down comparability to what I've doing to tank yellow bars. I pair it with Ex Diris when I can
Personally Ive always been a big proponent of OFA, I was a bit surprised to learn you didnt like it! I can see the logic in your reasoning though, it makes sense. As much as I love my EP/Frenzy Fatebringer, I think Im still gonna set my sights on a Firefly/OFA roll for Midnight Coup, just for something different but still effective. I'll definitely keep an eye out for a good Kinetic Tremors roll for GMs tho, that looks killer. Thanks for showing the weapons in action so thoroughly!
Exactly what cool guy recommends. Firefly works fantastically with it as the explosions will activate it plus then the explosions are buffed from OFA!!
I find it funny that she says it changes your playstyle. That’s not true. You can naturally shoot enemies and OFA will be up almost all the time especially with explosive payload.
Firefly is a weak pearl unless is combined with an elemental reaction like incandescent or volatile. In this weapon is useless I have it and it's baaaaaad
Great video as always. Also if you are looking for a PVP godroll, zen moment + explosive payload is the way. I test like 10 different rolls with moving target, opening shot, rampage and so and so... but ZM +EP is the goat. Firefly + Chromatic Fire is fun for double explosions, but I feel it's better on a Hung Jury, since you can keep your distance from ARs.
Going to have to agree to disagree on the Explosive Payload + One For All roll. The splash from EP can and will proc OFA. Especially when chunking away at a Major. Minors usually huddle around majors and I’ve splashed them a lot over the past few days instantly procing OFA.
It can only be the King of Kinetic Handcannons. Energy Hand Cannons are their own beast. You have to factor in what specials they can pair with, and energy weapons can pair with Mountain Top
Explosive and Frenzy is best for me... tied to well damage boost and double kinetic damage boost,frenzy proc .... the absolute best roll FOR ME. Try it
Even though Midnight Coup is undoubtedly one of the best legendary kinetic primaries, I still just can't bring myself to use, well... Legendary kinetic primaries. The global +15% DMG really doesn't make up for the lack of subclass synergy and the absolutely pitiful elemental shield damage. If I am running a GM, I'm just going to use an Exotic as my workhorse or use double special. Hell, with the likes of Indebted Kindness I really have to force myself to use legendary primaries at all these days. My Supremacy lives rent-free in my kinetic slot.
I like Kinetic Tremors/ Explosive Payload and Explosive Payload / Frenzy because sometimes you don't want to get up and personal with mobs. I love the combo on my Hung Jury I will start shooting from a distance and hopefully clear a few mobs before my team gets in range of the mobs and they can take them out quickly. Love your review.
The only shiny Coup I've gotten is Explosive/Enlightened and KT/Frenzy in 3rd and 4th columns. Got lucky I guess. It's not perfect as far as barrels etc, but I don't have to farm it anymore.
You know 100 extra spots in the vault is awesome but it's still not enough I wish they would let you keep a vote on your own personal hard drive that you could swap in and out of the Game Vault
Legendary primary weapons are kinda not worth the time to farm cuz you are throwing in gms if you are not using an exotic weapon for ad clear. I would recommend farming the new special and heavy weapons such as edge transit and falling guillotine if your time is limited.
Actually you can proc something called one for all times 2 off of just two enemies or you could just go back and forth between two enemies if they're really far away from one another , but when does that ever happen ?
I really like the feel of Midnight Coup, always have, even more than Fatebringer if I'm being honest, I'm still looking for that explosive payload frenzy roll on Midnight Coup though.
This makes me feel a little less bad about farming the entire week and dumping over 400 tokens into the chest without getting one single EP/OFA roll to drop. EP/Frenzy does go hard. But I have always been a OFA enjoyer.
6:40 what? How does a perk that does less dmg to single target, lacks aoe dmg, and has more susceptibility to fall off better for adds vs kinetic tremors? Please enlighten me on how frenzy is better aside from reload speed which if that was a factor it would have done more dmg in the test. Did you mean to say kinetic tremors is better and misspoke 3 times?
Ok later in the video you elaborated and said because it takes less than 6 shots. If theres nothing but red bars sure youre correct in this. Most scenarios and especially in gms there will be yellow bars, minibosses, and champions you want to get tremors popped to dmg the other adds with. If you just have a bunch of red bars lets be real you will just dump a gl shot i to them and be done with it. Also the time it takes for frenzy to activate those red bars will be dead. You can land 6 shots on a yellow bar to hit the red bars with tremors before frenzy activates. So i guess it depends on what youre doing.
@@DoomiePookie majority of mine have been from regular version (10 wave, 1600 power). I do wonder if shiny versions of weapons only drop from the harder/50 wave mode though, as the two shinys I have gotten (for other weapons) have only been from that mode.
@@Trai1b1aze Nah shiny drops are a chance from anything that drops the weapon. As far as I'm aware from experience and from what others have shared, nothing influences the drop rate of the shiny. Attunement increases the chance of specific weapon to drop and that's it, and even then it's still a dice roll.
First of all, the best pve HC is not a kinetic. Zaoulis is the best legendary HC in the game, fatebringer is 2nd, then we can talk about midnight coup. Stats are considerably lower than fatebringer. I always run backup mag on my fatebringer and get 14, you just dont need a damage spec, if you need extra damage just go with a kinetic surge... you already have explosive and frenzy. midnight coup also sounds really annoying. great for new players though
thx for this video... I am returning to Destiny after 2 years of not playing, was looking for a video with absolutely necessary weapon to craft for Engame pve right now (gms, Master Raids - both add clear and boss phases). I am steal overwhelmed with this new crafting system. And there are so many new guns. Like I understand I need to craft Heritage and rocket launcher from last wish, midnight coup, mounting top for sure. Watching destiny youtubers who played all these past seasons and their videos - CRAFT THIS NOW - and it is like for every new gun. I just dont know where to start even :D Could you please advise on the list so I start grinding?
Imo exp + tremors is a wasted role. If an enemy takes 6 shots or more, you are using the wrong weapon. Fierefly + OFA for low content seems to be the best. Ad-clear + dmg boost
I was really intrigued to test out explosive payload + frenzy, but to my surprise my shiny midnight coup with explosive payload + kinetic tremors rolled with frenzy as another option!
Me too! Got Attrition Orbs next to EP to pair with KT too! I'm pretty much done farming for it now lol.
Nice, you got a 6/5 roll.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4I would’ve continued to farm for the EP/Firefly + KT/Frenzy.
Firefly may not be the best, but in low level content it completely shreds through adds. Pair it with Frenzy for the extra damage, and even Majors+ will go down quickly, and take everything around them out.
So.
Mountain Top
Midnight Coup
Edge Transit
Falling Guillotine (Maybe)
Whatever else that comes out and is meta.
The only problem with Guillotien is that there are other, equal power meta swords, and the previous version of it is still a contender when it comes to damage. The only bonus is that this guillotien will get enhanced perks.
I’m jealous,but congrats 👍
That is perfection. I keep getting shiny Recluses...ugh
Honestly? For content with really high add density and high health targets I do think Explosive + One for All is the way to go. Since you're not going to be killing targets in one shot with frenzy and tremors won't really activate on anything short of a high health target it's going to be active very frequently and do MORE damage while active. It is a change in playstyle for most people but I think it might be the most mathematically optimal roll.
Yup that’s why her take that OFA is good for easy content makes no sense. One for all is one of the best end game perks.
i agree with your comment and also the testing is cool but also skewed, you dont play gm's like that put on a legit loadout and use the weapon in distances that you would normally use it. one for all is an end game perk, anytime you are not relying on a "kill" activation perk is superb for endgame.
Kenetic tremors just does a loooot of damage so a 35% damage increase doesn't come close to kenetic tremors I promise it's that good and area damage and flinch like explosive Payload
i actually have a shiny one with firefly and one for all and its so easy to proc one for all the time
See I prefer Firefly on this gun because I see it as an add clear gun. I still think Adept Warden's Law is the go to for heftier targets if you have it. I'll collect both though for whatever situation.
desperate measures proceed 20% dmg from just un-powered melee and 30% off 2, and it last 7secs and can be refreshed of weapon kills.
perk is s-tier
From (Timelost) to (Get Lost), I totally agree with your choices. I do still need the Frenzy roll but there's plenty of time and Attunement really works. Cheers for all you do.
Nah time lost is still better
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This old Club 49er tortoise agrees; and prefers Explosive + over Firefly, due (mostly) to firing with flippers ain't easy!
I agree with you. Firefly sucks big balls! Explosive payload and Kinetic Tremor is the best combo as of right now for the 140 rpm HC King.
I've been using Seraph revolver with timed payload. For a 180 it feels very good.
Maven I love when you make this kind of content. The comparisons and detailed explanations is really helpful and you’re straight to the point. Thank you for the work you put into these videos and I appreciate you
For easy content firefly+OFA is insane
I'm gonna have to disagree that EP+Frenzy is the godroll for difficult content. At 8:42 you took 11 shots at a red bar Centiurion and it still did not die. With EP+Kinetic Tremors, that Centurion, along with any trash mobs around it, would've died.
I got a shiny with Explosive Payload, Kinetic Tremors, and Frenzy, so I'm pretty much set
Firefly explosions proc One for All so it’s pretty epic
I really like firefly + Kinect tremors for medium level content because of the easy ad clear and also being able to deal with yellow bars. But I do understand that for harder content you're absolutely right
Love this combo. Will farm for EP and Tremors for endcontent.
I like this roll because the reload is great
as an original og coup junkie i farmed 109 coups, had capped coins too waitin for it.. kept 2 Golden one for pvp one for pve. Pvp roll > smallbore / accurized / explosive or movin target / zen moment or opening shot and Pve roll > smallbore / accurized or tactical / explosive or firefly / one for all or frenzy ... the latter obtained about 35 hours ago and already is on 5k kills
Firefly is a reload perk with AoE. Throwing One for All in as a damage perk makes it so well rounded. I'm rarely ever using primary on something other than a red bar
I just think Rampage is easier to proc than either OFA or KT. I know Ranpage starts with less of a bonus, but I would think it would have more overall uptime than any of the damage boosters due to ease of use
This is super late but one for all + firefly has been incredible for me, get a fast reload with a precision kill and if the blast from firefly hits other targets, +35% damage for a solid time.
Great vid love the breakdown. Im still going for exp payload and one for all.
Really well put together video I wish they would just add original traits to vog weapons
I just got explosive frenzy and I like it for single targets but the explosive one for all can be procd off of just two enemies and I could proc it from complete safety. I don't have to wait for the buff to turn on so they both have great benefits. I guess there really is no perfect roll for everything . Explosive kinetic paired with severing burst from strand is nice also !
Alloy mag Maven!! It’s a reload scalar instead of a flat increase to the reload stat. You’re already going to be having frenzy up and dumping all shots in your mag into either ads or a major.
While I appreciate your final analysis in the Hypernet, I'm not so sure it's a relevant use case.
Against solar-shielded Cabal, I think most people would use, in order of preference (and depending on artifact mods), Skyburner, Sunshot, Polaris Lance, Ticcu's Divination, or even Prometheus' Lens. I don't know anyone who would use a kinetic HC in that situation.
Now, if it were the Birthplace of the Vile, or one of the coil pathways where there are a ton of isolated, mid-range engagements, with unshielded, hard-to-crit adds (like Vex) and plenty of cover...
What I don't really like about frenzy is that you have to be looking for ads constantly if not the perk goes away, and to reproc it takes too long for my taste
I think lunas will be the king of solar hand cannon...heal clip with incan on a 140.....and it can be enhanced.
Magnificent howl will be really amazing too
I have to go with firefly/tremors, Fun > Function for me.
AND I'm gonna put Sweaty Confetti on it just like my Chelchis :]
Definitely love midnight coup. I have many rolls for many builds. Currently rocking EP + DM on my Midnight Coup with arrowhead brake and flared magwell on a reload mw. The build is a contraverse voidlock. Grenades and explosions everywhere. Im using Telesto even though the BiS energy void will always be Buried Bloodline. Midnight Coup will be the star of the show.
I spent hrs and hrs and hrs chasing the Firefly, One for all. And when I finally got it it doesnt feel near as good as my Explosive Payload, One for All. Its hard to beat the 35% dmg buff. And in something like Onslaught it's so easy to keep One for All procked. Much Much easier than I originally expected. I get what you're saying about frenzy's uptime. But I honestly feel like one for all being over double the dmg and being easy as hell to prock might equate to more dmg overall. Def Needs testing tho.
Above all just the amazing sound this gun makes is so worth it
Firefly procs one-for-all, which then buffs the firefly damage.
I deleted all drops because of low range. I finally got an explosive payload with zen moment and range MW. I got a similar range on another with outlaw and kinetic tremors. Those are worth keeping.
I got a shiny with arrowhead, accurized/apended, firefly/attrition, and desperate/frenzy. It’s nice to have firefly + desperate for ability loadouts and firefly + frenzy for non ability builds
KT plus AO (aside from KT/FF) is probably the most "all rounder" combo for this gun. I've never been a fan of damage perks on weapons as the way D2 is spaced out, a lot of times the damage perks will fall off (unless you're raiding, or doing battlegrounds or similar with HD ads). Getting a free orb or two via shooting beefier targets is worth more to me than being able to kill trash ads quicker; also, the KT stuns/staggers most enemies in the game three times when it procs.
Fire fly IMO is the best first slot perk due to the splash damage and the add clear it provides. Plus a reload bonus. Fire fly and kinetic tremors is extremely underrated role even if they don’t have direct synergy it can clear adds and tanks enemies on both ends
I’d recommend firefly/explosive payload + one for all.
IMO, 6 shots to proc kinetic tremors (5 if enhanced) is not worth it in most scenarios if you have special or heavy. But it’s not horrible in grand master scenarios.
One for all is a huge 35% increased damage for 10 seconds, and firefly can easily proc is. You will shred through ads and get easy 1 hit crit kills to keep changing explosions. It’s definitely the best ad clear role.
I also have been enjoying explosive payload and one for all. Explosive payload is not only a free 10-15% increase in damage (plus damage fall off mitigator), but the aoe of the bullet can also proc one for all luckily. This is the best for ad clear in high end content.
Best rolls:
1. Firefly + one for all - for general play and solid ad clear. Good damage and explosions.
2. Explosive payload + one for all - good for general play but takes a more damage roll rather than aoe roll. Scales better in higher end content as well.
3. Explosive payload + kinetic tremors - huge single target damage. I love it for champions, as explosive payload cuts down to amount of shots it takes to stun over loads (and also allows easier free one shots on some easier red bars). Kinetic tremors also builds into that single target damage style of play for this hand cannon. This roll excels in grand masters and the newest raid (I recommend enhancing tremors though. It’s rlly needed)
4. Tremors + firefly - allows somewhat ok single target damage, and firefly allows ad clear. However, without a decent damage perk, it’s ad clear (the main role of a primary weapon) is hindered. And without explosive payload, it’s champ stunning and single target damage takes a hit. This role is more of a “hey, this is neat” role, and doesn’t excel at anything. It’s more of a collectors role, but is a solid 8/10 weapon for the average player.
Good stuff I enjoy your content. I got the Explosive/Kinetic roll and looking forward to trying it out more.
Explosive payload rampage is my fav as it renews on kill and after one kill your already almost on par with frenzy 2nd shot your doing more damage
Thank you Maven. Your analysis on how perkz works and impact your play style at different levels of gameplay are the best. Youare unique and your voice is pleasantly soothing😊
After messing with most/all of the great rolls, can confirm that Explosive Payload/One For All is the absolute boss! In 10 yrs of Destiny, I don't actually recall a legendary primary, better than the Coup with this roll. (*have been using mostly in Onslaught)
I got firefly one for all and explosive one for all. I want a tremor one for all. I know it doesn’t proc faster but why not have a damage boost from explosive and after 6 shots kinetic tremors goes off. I need that roll for tanky enemies. Pairs well with the special ammo side arms like indebted kindnesses
attrition orbs is based on mag size its 67% rounded down plus 2 it is good on weapons with high firerate low mag ie the new multimach which can get attrition orbs and kinetic tremors; what you should have tested was if kinetic tremors could proc attrition orbs as it would only need to hit 2 enemies to proc attrition this is where they synergise as its is a small mag size when relative to breakneck or multimach
Your pve weapon reviews are my favorite. Thank you and keep it up!
Midnight isn’t killing fate bringer. They both have advantages. Origin trait vs adept mods plus you get 4 talents with timelost fb
Thank you for saying this! A lot of God Roll videos only talk about numbers and percentages and don't acknowledge that some perks really require you to change up your playstyle like One for All. I'm not bellow learning new techniques, but I don't feel like remembering to do a little quirk with some random roll weapon like hitting separate targets or crouching before I reload to get the full benefit.
With one for all , ya just shoot . That's it . No thought or play style change . Same with frenzy if you're close enough to the enemies .so many great rolls you can't go wrong .
what play style change is there with ofa not shooting the enemies? theres no play style change literally just shoot
@@chinochimp With one for all your forced to change targets to hit 3 different enemies to get it to proc. With any other roll you can focus the same targets head untill till its dead and then transfer to the next target. In the time your transfer between enemies you could of killed that add and had less enemies shooting you at once.
@@Danger597 theres like a 4 second timer between needing to hit the shots for ofa. you kill one enemy, then a second, then a third, and now you have a 35% damage buff for 10 seconds. if its taking you more than 4 seconds to kill an enemy and move on to the next then you shouldnt be using your primary anyway you should be using a special or heavy
It's Kinetic, so the damage from this will fill up both transcendence bars on prismatic!
I've used both Frenzy Roll and KT Roll.. I've been doing the higher end content with that specific nightfall I feel KT roll is stronger, I actually feel surprised in some situations I've come across with yellow bars and seeing how quick they went down comparability to what I've doing to tank yellow bars. I pair it with Ex Diris when I can
Thanks for all your hard work
Personally Ive always been a big proponent of OFA, I was a bit surprised to learn you didnt like it! I can see the logic in your reasoning though, it makes sense. As much as I love my EP/Frenzy Fatebringer, I think Im still gonna set my sights on a Firefly/OFA roll for Midnight Coup, just for something different but still effective. I'll definitely keep an eye out for a good Kinetic Tremors roll for GMs tho, that looks killer. Thanks for showing the weapons in action so thoroughly!
Exactly what cool guy recommends. Firefly works fantastically with it as the explosions will activate it plus then the explosions are buffed from OFA!!
I find it funny that she says it changes your playstyle. That’s not true. You can naturally shoot enemies and OFA will be up almost all the time especially with explosive payload.
I'm back into D2 after another hiatus.. great videos, Maven. Subscribing 🙏
Forgot to mention that it will be enhanceable in final shape.
No firefly means no fun
Firefly is a weak pearl unless is combined with an elemental reaction like incandescent or volatile. In this weapon is useless I have it and it's baaaaaad
Firefly is awesome for add-clear
@@tomaszszupryczynski5453 why use primary for boss, and why a hand cannon?
@@ThaAlecman on baby content maybe but on real content it does nothing
If you like ad clear sure but it isn’t really that good for end game
Great video as always. Also if you are looking for a PVP godroll, zen moment + explosive payload is the way. I test like 10 different rolls with moving target, opening shot, rampage and so and so... but ZM +EP is the goat.
Firefly + Chromatic Fire is fun for double explosions, but I feel it's better on a Hung Jury, since you can keep your distance from ARs.
When Lunas howl releases I’m going for a pvp roll and pve Healclip incandescent for sure.
Going to have to agree to disagree on the Explosive Payload + One For All roll. The splash from EP can and will proc OFA. Especially when chunking away at a Major. Minors usually huddle around majors and I’ve splashed them a lot over the past few days instantly procing OFA.
It can only be the King of Kinetic Handcannons. Energy Hand Cannons are their own beast. You have to factor in what specials they can pair with, and energy weapons can pair with Mountain Top
I've never been able to put into words why I dislike One for All, but 3:49 explains it perfectly.
I got one with Firefly and kinetic tremors, it works great for add clear and bigger stuff too
Firefly and one for all for regular content
Explosive payload and kinetic tremors for harder content. I love them both
I got a shiny with Firefly and One for All/Kinetic Tremors!
Hey! What's your thoughts on perk pooling effects. Frenzy activate every weapons perk in your inventory. Would that be worth while?
Explosive and Frenzy is best for me... tied to well damage boost and double kinetic damage boost,frenzy proc .... the absolute best roll FOR ME. Try it
Appreciate the hard work. I use A lot of your builds. Thank you
Explosive payload + kinetic tremors is undeniably good for champions in GM's as well.
Even though Midnight Coup is undoubtedly one of the best legendary kinetic primaries, I still just can't bring myself to use, well... Legendary kinetic primaries. The global +15% DMG really doesn't make up for the lack of subclass synergy and the absolutely pitiful elemental shield damage. If I am running a GM, I'm just going to use an Exotic as my workhorse or use double special. Hell, with the likes of Indebted Kindness I really have to force myself to use legendary primaries at all these days. My Supremacy lives rent-free in my kinetic slot.
Is the Sunshot still a top tier HC?
At this Season, with the mods? Yes. After? Usable in low tier content.
My firefly kinetic tremors roll has great versatility. Just feels good
I like Kinetic Tremors/ Explosive Payload and Explosive Payload / Frenzy because sometimes you don't want to get up and personal with mobs. I love the combo on my Hung Jury I will start shooting from a distance and hopefully clear a few mobs before my team gets in range of the mobs and they can take them out quickly.
Love your review.
So keep using my shiny Hung Jury. Got it.
Awesome content as always! Thank you!
Is Lucky Pants not a thing?
Afaik LP doesn't boost explosive payload's portion of the shot..
I have an explosive with rampage and man does it feel good in endgame content.
The only shiny Coup I've gotten is Explosive/Enlightened and KT/Frenzy in 3rd and 4th columns. Got lucky I guess. It's not perfect as far as barrels etc, but I don't have to farm it anymore.
You know 100 extra spots in the vault is awesome but it's still not enough I wish they would let you keep a vote on your own personal hard drive that you could swap in and out of the Game Vault
Mine has accurized rounds full bore range masterwork firefly & Desperate measures
I really appreciate your breakdowns! TY!!
Legendary primary weapons are kinda not worth the time to farm cuz you are throwing in gms if you are not using an exotic weapon for ad clear.
I would recommend farming the new special and heavy weapons such as edge transit and falling guillotine if your time is limited.
Ty for testing!
You do the best reviews thank you!
I use Kinetic tremors shoot to loot. It’s soooo good.
Sunshot is the only HC I'm prepared to use. Give me a 260 scout any day of the week.
Actually you can proc something called one for all times 2 off of just two enemies or you could just go back and forth between two enemies if they're really far away from one another , but when does that ever happen ?
If I could only get a good shiny godroll. I always get a shiny sniper instead lol
Most of my best rolls are not shiny
Dude same here ugh 😩
I really like the feel of Midnight Coup, always have, even more than Fatebringer if I'm being honest, I'm still looking for that explosive payload frenzy roll on Midnight Coup though.
I think Shoot To Loot + Kinetic Tremors is really good, especially for those of us who aren't elite level players.
This makes me feel a little less bad about farming the entire week and dumping over 400 tokens into the chest without getting one single EP/OFA roll to drop.
EP/Frenzy does go hard. But I have always been a OFA enjoyer.
I’m skeptical about if lunas howl is better than zaoulis bane. Midnight coup though? Must have
6:40 what? How does a perk that does less dmg to single target, lacks aoe dmg, and has more susceptibility to fall off better for adds vs kinetic tremors? Please enlighten me on how frenzy is better aside from reload speed which if that was a factor it would have done more dmg in the test. Did you mean to say kinetic tremors is better and misspoke 3 times?
Ok later in the video you elaborated and said because it takes less than 6 shots. If theres nothing but red bars sure youre correct in this. Most scenarios and especially in gms there will be yellow bars, minibosses, and champions you want to get tremors popped to dmg the other adds with. If you just have a bunch of red bars lets be real you will just dump a gl shot i to them and be done with it. Also the time it takes for frenzy to activate those red bars will be dead. You can land 6 shots on a yellow bar to hit the red bars with tremors before frenzy activates. So i guess it depends on what youre doing.
Why not the best of both with Firefly + KT? You'll get good add clear on trash mobs with firefly and good dmg for beefier targets with KT
Spare Rations also rolls with Kinetic Tremors if you have unused Sonar Station engrams. I like mine with Slideshot-Kinetic Tremors
Good breakdown. Explosive/OFA is my best this far. Tried firefly / frenzy, couldn't like it. Will keep an eye out for these two.
It’s the best end game roll
Have farmed up about 30 midnight coups but not one has dropped with explosive payload. Best ive got so far is a firefly-frenzy roll.
Is the MC only available on legendary onslaught? Or regular too?
@@DoomiePookie majority of mine have been from regular version (10 wave, 1600 power). I do wonder if shiny versions of weapons only drop from the harder/50 wave mode though, as the two shinys I have gotten (for other weapons) have only been from that mode.
@@Trai1b1aze Nah shiny drops are a chance from anything that drops the weapon. As far as I'm aware from experience and from what others have shared, nothing influences the drop rate of the shiny. Attunement increases the chance of specific weapon to drop and that's it, and even then it's still a dice roll.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 RIP my RNG then
First of all, the best pve HC is not a kinetic. Zaoulis is the best legendary HC in the game, fatebringer is 2nd, then we can talk about midnight coup. Stats are considerably lower than fatebringer. I always run backup mag on my fatebringer and get 14, you just dont need a damage spec, if you need extra damage just go with a kinetic surge... you already have explosive and frenzy. midnight coup also sounds really annoying.
great for new players though
Frenzy needs a buff. It seems like an eternity just to get extra 15% damage and handling buff.
Cut the wait time down to 6 or 7 seconds.
Thanks! I love watching you play Strand. It's amazing how you just fly across the battlefield!
I been farming for that explosive frenzy for a week and no luck
thx for this video...
I am returning to Destiny after 2 years of not playing, was looking for a video with absolutely necessary weapon to craft for Engame pve right now (gms, Master Raids - both add clear and boss phases). I am steal overwhelmed with this new crafting system. And there are so many new guns. Like I understand I need to craft Heritage and rocket launcher from last wish, midnight coup, mounting top for sure.
Watching destiny youtubers who played all these past seasons and their videos - CRAFT THIS NOW - and it is like for every new gun. I just dont know where to start even :D
Could you please advise on the list so I start grinding?
I saved all my Shaxx brave engrams from rank up and all my tokens for Luna.
Imo exp + tremors is a wasted role. If an enemy takes 6 shots or more, you are using the wrong weapon.
Fierefly + OFA for low content seems to be the best. Ad-clear + dmg boost
I got attrition orbs and kinetic. Not bad at all!