Hi JH All going well with the setup routine and your protocols.Reaching the green in regulation is easy when your hitting the ball down the middle. At my age 77 to find this out with all your attention to details is a great feeling. If I could putt I would be taken the money every week.My quality of golf shot is just keeps getting better. I am passing on the CH to all Thanks to you and Bill Great stuff will now try the grip Art
Hi Arthur, That's great news .. us '77' year olds need all the help we can get don't we ... and I might clearly be biased but I really do not believe any swing type can help out senior golfers better than the CL swing can .. and frankly 'any age' golfer I believe can improve their golfing game significantly by applying the CL swing Protocols.. I must do more on the 'CL Putting' because its even better as a game improver than the full swing CL mechanics because there is only a ball position change and shoulder alignment change to apply .. there is no shoulder turn or body dynamics to come to grips with .. its all an improvement whilst almost 'standing still'... cheers JH
You're the massive find for me as I am learning your golf swing techniques. Epic ball flight and distance. I want the golf swing that I can always trust in. Moe Norman, Count Yogi, and your self. Epic teachers, epic people. Thanks.
Glad you are getting some good results from the swing mechanics I experiment with on my channel.. there are so many ways you can swing a golf club and get good results for yourself individuaslly.. you just have keep trying different swing variations until you find one that suits your bnody type and ease of mental uptake etc. Cheers JH
I played my best golf with Moes Swing and "10 fingers", a couple years ago. That was the reason why I at first begun watching you vids, JH. But as a seeker I abandoned Moe Norman swing and the grip. Too difficult. Never the less I am grateful to Bill and you that you intruduce it again. Yesterday I was out playing with the 8 fingers grip. It was great to discover the grip again! That will be a natural part of my firm and reliabel CL. Thanks!
Hi Martin, I still have a lot of work to put in on my own split grip 8 finger grip .. its not natural at all for me to have my hands separated ..but when I get it right its a great grip to use.. cheers JH
Good on-ya, JH! You are very contagious! It looks like your "gun slinger" has disappeared and you look like Moe more everyday (with a CL path of course). Thanks for your never ending quest, mate!!!
Hi Dave, I think I will end up with a fair bit of Moe's swing look in my CL swing going forward... the 'quest' will continue while I find ways to make a 'better' CL swing .. although if I could hit the ball as well as I did yesterday for the rest of my golfing life I really don't need to go looking for 'more' perfection of the swing .. yesterdays quality of strike would do me nicely for the future .. cheers JH
That grip really firms things up for me...actually feel my left backhand making a stronger ball strike! My ball flight today using it for the first time on the range was impressive with 5 & 9 irons! Just an FYI, I was on the range wearing a collar sign that said: "If my smile is infectious, ask me why...and I'll tell you about my NEW FIST GRIP and my CL SWING ! Another new addition to a superb golf swing method...thanks JH for the tip!
Hi Bob, The grip change is a winner for me big-time..i am so solid at impact now and it is impossible for the club to turn over excessively before impact and cause a smother or whatever ..ok I didnt have that potential really with my STD grip and the CL mechanics application .. but now its a double whammy insurance policy against that happening.. You are right about the CL stuff bringing enjoyment back to the game .. I 'know' that 'everyday' now I am going to have the 'same 'swing result as I had the day before ... and that 'has' to make you 'happy'.. cheers JH
What are your thoughts on bringing this grip to the short game...which I will do tomorrow....taking a day off today-BODY HEALING DAY! Specifically-chipping and pitching inside 50 yards? Video coming?
JH I cant believe what I am seeing here...I accidentally put the club in my palms the other day just to experiment and my striking has came on leaps and bounds Its great! I feel like I cant turn it over as much it is going straighter..glad to see you have found this too
Some of my best developments have come from 'accidental' applications of things.. I played with a ' faulty' grip my whole golfing life... the new grip change is absolutely the best 'accident' I have ever had.. cheers JH
Ya jh.been using that grip about as long as I've played golf.busted my hands up boxing and racing dirt bikes for years so i stuck with that grip much more comfortable and controllable.cheers
Hi Danny, I should have tried the grip when I first started playing because I raced motorcycles ( hundreds of races) for years and have broken just about every bone in both hands at one time or another and actually chopped off some parts of fingers on my right hand in a car racing accident .. so my hands generally are not suited to dextrous 'finger' placement configuration in a golf grip .. cheers JH
“Fist grip-split-Moe in palm-stay back with secondary tilt-pull hard with lead hand-rotate hard with release-trap release” Great stuff-so thankful for this amazing info that helps us so much to efficiently use our BAL= balance, angles and levers Question JH--have you tried Gene Sarazen baseball grip with trial thumb under grip ? Cheers
Hi Bob, Actually, Sarazen used an 'interlocking' grip with his 'lead' thumb off the shaft and wrapped around it..not ' his trail' thumb.. ..www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/westchester-biltmore-club-rye-n-y-close-up-of-sarazens-grip-news-photo/516527776... I think it was Demerit who called Sarazen's grip the... Craziest Bunch of Bananas' he had ever seen ..
Hi JH I love this experimentation with the grip and why not. The birth of CL would’ve never happened without exploring different avenues.I have small hands and have went to a midsize grip and I feel the club in my palms more and I have to say it feels natural to me .Tinker plays with jumbo grips and uses split grip.Bryson D has a interesting video on UA-cam about his grips and how he grips the club. I think your definitely on to something that will be beneficial to lockers and take it another level .I like to use that terminology because with cL their has been multiple breakthroughs that have elevated the quality of ball striking.
Hi Matt, No question that the individual grip configuration will be very important in getting a split grip to work correctly for specific players .. how I am exerting the pressure in my grip clearly suits me but may not suit other players .. I have to give more intrinsic details about how to position the club correctly to get the best holding factors working to best advantage .. To make the change I did with no testing of the process and to have it work perfectly first shot was mind-numbing to experience ... I feel like I cannot miss-hit a shot now .. never ever felt that feeling before in my entire golfing life .. it must be how Moe felt ... he told me point blank he knew he couldn't miss hit shots in the true sense of a miss hit .. I feel absolutely like that now .. and at my age to develop that feeling is just unbelievable .. Clearly the configuration of application 'I' am now using in the grip would have to be physically shown to a student to get them understanding the purchase positioning pressures I am using and exerting in the grip application for myself .. It would only be a matter of tuning someone else's grip to suit their hands type of construction... but generally speaking, the 'base' configuration factors that I am using can be applied to any player .. cheers Jh '
Joe Dante’s LH grip was a palm and fingers grip, where the club lay in the palm near the pinky, but more traditional near the forefinger. Very solid feel.
i tried this 30 odd years ago i experienced the power and was told by a young gun that it was no good.went out today at 68 years of age and wow,more distance and consistant direction.ash
Hi Ash, Never listen to anyone who tells you something is no good..or won't work in the Golf swing .. Every person has a different capability to everyone else.. the 'only' thing that you should consider in a Golf Swing .. is' how' something works for 'You'.. Theories mean nothing in individual Golf Swings .. cheers JH
Lee is a great striker of the Golf ball, he has like Mike Austin his own physicality's of mechanics application, and like Mike Austin they are relative to his flexibility points in his body, those being his shoulders /wrists and hip extensors,, Lee can ...like Mike Dunaway and Mike Austin... load the clubhead at the top of the swing whilst getting his hips/.torso moving in advance of the hands/arms with quite some gap in the downswing body componentry sequencing. Lee loads the tip of his clubhead at the top of his swing transition with his lead knee/hip the same as Austin and Dunaway did, which is why he can develop the power he does. cheers JH
Good video JH. I've been using that grip since I read the article about Moe in the '96 Golf Digest. I've been using it the whole time while learning CL also.
Hi James, The crazy thing for me is that Moe showed me his grip in chapter and verse but I just didn't come to grips with the intricate detail of the positioning and purchase factors ... and as result, I didn't like the feel of the grip back then and never used it or taught it to any Moe mechanics students . It's so annoying that I have lost all those years of potential ball-striking at the level I am now experiencing .. Moe showed me all about his grip in 1995 ...that's 20+ years wasted ... cheers JH
Took Channel Lock to the course one day for a quick test..only played one par 4 and one par 3 ua-cam.com/video/jfPTEN8s26A/v-deo.htmlsi=updMMqsmorKTof16 ua-cam.com/video/fF0mv7OHFxM/v-deo.htmlsi=nRUS6Dg30Fkh4JlA Cheers JH
Fist grip just like an ax or sledgehammer This is “natural golf” Today I was doing my field testing in 43 degree Fahrenheit...30 balls and I achieved what you termed “really put a clamp on that last ball “ What did I do to get that “clamp” (I used all the correct protocols) ???????
Hi Bob, You 'Elder Statesmen' ... yourself and Mike Riley show us, young whippersnappers, what real dedication is to practice... practicing in the very cold weather that I know you both practice in is great testimony relative to commitment of getting a golf swing sorted out .. both you and Mike are on the other side of 80 so really if you guys can brave those tough elements .... all us other guys have no excuses at all .. I will never experience really cold conditions where I live ever .. a very cold day for us is around 12 degs celsius... which is about 55 degs Fahrenheit ... but those days are far and few between .. like now over here we have had 40 days in a row over 90 degs .. out west from here they just set a new nighttime temperature record at 2 am of 39 degs celsius which is around 103 degs .. which is crazy at 2 am .. I take some cold days right now .. even 55 deg ones .. cheers JH
JH I've been reading the comments about people wanting to see the ball flight. I believe there is a Top Tracer app. I'm seeing a lot of golf channels using it. I'll check into it. If I find something worth reporting I'll let you know 👍
Hi Dan, There are lots of videos on the channel showing ball flight ..this is just one ua-cam.com/video/P6ODl4QQ-Io/v-deo.html If you type in youtube search bar Channel Lock DTL View you will pull up all the other videos ..the videos show 'actual' ball flight .. not an anticipated flight relative to the device determining a 'supposed' ball flight direction.. I would like to be able to hit the ball as straight as you can shoot .. cheers JH
One long par 4 which is an 80 degree dog leg left over the side of a mountain. I normally go straight and have a 5 wood to a down hill bunker protected green. With the palm grip I now go over the side and have a 7 iron in. This is working.
Hi Ray, I definitely don't see any negatives to using the palm grip relative to power development.. I am getting a bit more length as well .. I think that's because the palm grip just apply's the hands in a more pwerful manner at impact.. cheers JH
The sound on a few of your shots is ike a rifle shot. Retired Ice Hockey and Baseball players are good golfers generally. Maybe it’s the feeling they had using a palm grip? I’ve have to try it JH. Cheers!
Hi John, Its a pity you couldn't see the DTL shots flight .. it was absolutely crazy good .. I have never experienced the ball flight I had today ever at any time in my golfing life .. and it was the first swings I have ever tried with the grip configuration .. the contact was so different from my normal impact feel and sound .. and I still have some issues with my right shoulder so it was really amazing to get the contact I did get first up with the grip change .. cheers JH
JH’... it looks like the swing might be straining your lower back, am I right or wrong ? I have a bad back but I love the simplistic swing that you have developed. I’m left handed so I’m having to watch all your videos in the mirror. Love your show !!!
Hi Don, The back issues I have on occasions is from some old race car crash injuries ... I do a lot of Gym work with weights and if I try some different lifts that I haven't been doing before I get some issues with my lower back .. Actually the reduction in rotation significance that is in the CL swing is great for my back .. Cl is really user friendly to the back .. yeah its a bummer being left handed and having teachers showing you swing stuff from the right handed perspective .. and I am cognisant of that and its why I don't refer to right or left ... hands/arms/legs/hips .. but refer to a 'Lead ' arm/hand/leg/hip or 'Trail' arm/hand/leg/hip ...which is the only real reference I can give for left handed players .. cheers JH
JH thanks so much for the informative videos. in one of your videos you mention you are in the search for the ideal swing for yourself. Out of all the swings you have featured what swing would you use and recommend for a senior golfer thx
Hi Donald, Actually the swing that I have had a lot of success with teaching club level players .. is this swing.. ua-cam.com/video/4kP_5_S-0SE/v-deo.html ..its a very simple action and doesn't require a lot of segment type thinking.. its basically just ..fold the trail arm at the elbow.. let the lead arm fold as well as a feeling.. and then just straighten out the folded trail arm in the downswing.. its a very simple swing process for most people. There are a few videos on the swing on my channel.. just type in to the search bar .. Fold and Hammer golf swing.. and all the videos will come up .. cheers JH
What a great sound that makes. I just tried that indoors with no ball, just making contact with the ground. So much more control with the split grip and backhanding it with the lead hand. Can't wait for a decent day to try this at the course. Could you maybe do a close up of exactly how you are gripping it JH?
Hi Larry, I hope that explanation helped .. I am still working on the grip change myself and keep unconsciously falling back into my normal overlap grip ... I will really be bearing down to get the grip integrated into my swing as my std grip going forward.. Cheers Jh
Thanks again. I went through the whole Moe Norman thing several years back but I was using the Vardon Grip in the palms of my hands. I did not have a lot of success with it because of the wide stance. Really looking forward to some success with this.
Hey JH hope you’re fine Sir .. Tried something like this years ago and forgot it probably trying something new :) .. can’t wait to try it out again at weekend & will let you know I think Moe & Hogan were left handed but played right handed ? Do you think that helped them “back hand” the shot with lead hand and give them an “unfair advantage” ? Cheers, Craig
Hi Jh love the video does this mean you are getting better strikes now pulling with your lead arm rather than smashing the ball with your trailing right arm.Thanks.Max
Hi Max, Still pulling with the lead hand/arm... you have to to keep the lead shoulder closed during the downswing ..just way more emphasis on the trail hand smash .. cheers JH
I use a normal Vardon overlapping grip .. the split grip was very solid and accurate but I lost distance with it because it restricted the hinge release of my hands at impact .. but that was a personal thing .. if you can use the split grip and not lose clubhead speed no reason not to use it .. cheers JH
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Your discover is interesting in that Alex J. Morrison (who taught both Jack Grout and Henry Picard) showed how the left grip should be in his 1933 classic "A New Way to Better Golf." He insisted that the left hand grip it the palm, with a very strong grip, and the thumb separated well away from the forefinger and wrapped around (ie: underneath) the right side of the grip. Try it, and you'll find that it's a secure grip with that really enables the wrist to cock and "load" the club on the backswing.
Hi Lee, I cannot wrap my lead thumb around the grip because it creates too much ulnar deviation in my lead hand... as well the hands become totally independent units of operation which makes the hands/arms to uncoupled from each other .. I think you have to have a very specific type of hand construction to apply that configuration of gripping .. cheers JH
JH, With that grip would you be able to lift the left hand with the club crooked under the heel pad of the palm and the index finger with the other three fingers of the left hand off the club (as in the famous picture in Five Lessons on p. 21)? I often slip into such a grip and try to "fix" it by moving it back under the heel pad. Maybe I should just leave it alone. My favorite description of a good grip is that described by George Knudson in his little Natural Golf book which is basically putting your hands together as in prayer (appropriate for me) and just sliding the right hand down the shaft. That would seem to be similar to what you're doing. But I wonder about the grip being wedged under the heel pad as with Hogan's description. It seems if its in the palm of the left hand I need to find out what angle across the lead palm it should be -- it might be straight across the palm (running parallel to the base of the fingers and you might still wedge it under the heel pad) or diagonally across the palm (toward the base of the index finger) and unless you had really large hands would be difficult to get it "wedged". I suspect late Moe and Dechambeau do not or did not have "wedged" lead hand grips at all. Maybe we've been mislead by that picture in Hogan's book for 60 years. Anyway, nice to see someone mention something that is of really paramount concern to a good golf grip but seldom mentioned. I think the perception is out there that the lead hand "wedge" grip is the only effective way to do it.
Hi Thomas, There is no 'wedge' angle at all in my new grip... and the grip has zero relation to Hogan's grip or any conventional grip for that matter... If you held you lead hand straight out in front of you at right angles to the ground with no angle differential between the back of the lead wrist and the forearm and then just closed your lead hand in a totally perpendicular plane manner ...that is how the hand configuration is applied. If you had a soft peg... say 3 inches in diameter ...circular in shape ... and you wanted to drive that peg into the ground vertically with your lead hand ..how would you do that..you would close up your lead hand into a fist and hit the top of the peg with the underside of your hand ...the the heel pad of the hand .. but you couldnt do that if the heel pad wasnt configured as a totally flat surface.. and that couldn't happen if the hand was not configured at 90 degs perpendicular to the forearm . How you configure that hand orientation dictates how the club grip must be positioned in the hand to get that type of hand configuration ... Dechambeau's grip is different to mine because of the incredible lie angle of his irons .. which are 12 degs upright .. he has a very much finger incorporation in his grip because of the need for a crazy amount of ulnar deviation to facilitate the extraordinary level of uprightness of his irons lies ... you cannot hold the club in the palm as I am doing with that lie level of iron specification ... and if you look at his grip he has a lot of fingers in play in his grip .. which he has to because of the massive size of his grips... I will have to give a lot more explanation of 'how' I am applying 'my' grip .. suffice to say at this point in time the main emphasis is really just to keep my lead hand perfectly in line with my lead forearm with no 'droop' angle down when I take the grip initially ... its hard to understand the written explanation as it is here which is why I will extrapolate the configuration more clearly in the next videos .. Hogan could hold the club the way 'he'did because his individual anatomical hand construction allowed 'him' to do so ... unless you have Hogan's hand construction type you will not be able to hold the club as he indicated we 'all' should....as I have said many times before .. Hogans book destroyed more swings than it 'helped'.. the crazy illustration of the elbows bound together in the book ... why did he illustrate that when he clearly didn't do anything like that in his actual swing. But in defence of Hogan, he did say that what 'he' did in his swing would probably do more 'harm' to general players swings if tried to be applied than it would as a help mechanism... cheers JH
Thanks JH. I look forward to seeing more inside this new grip. I tried your driving the peg into the ground with the lead fist idea and for me (and me only) I naturally make the fist with a flat left wrist and a ninety degree angle between the forearm and the club shaft when I hold it up in front of me. My lead thumb runs straight up the grip at 12:00 -- but that's just my hand configuration. Looking at it from a caddy view it would be considered very weak, say Jordan Spiethish looking. Nothing wrong with that, but it does not look like what you are showing. Yours looks like what they might conventionally call three knuckle -- it appears your lead thumb is about 1 o'clock. When I try the same thing (or what I consider the same thing ) I'm a one knuckle. Of course I don't think that counting the knuckles makes any sense at all, but it is at least a point for comparison. Complex subject -- no two grips look the same or are the same if you really look into them. I appreciate your insights as always.
I looked again at the video and I'm wrong about the 3 knuckle -- it's clearly not that "strong". It's more that the "V" of your lead hand is pointing between your chin and trail shoulder as in conventional. With me it will run to a spot between my chin and lead shoulder. Maybe the lesson is don't worry about the Vs or the knuckles. Find out what works for your hand configuration to let you hammer the ball.
Hi Thomas, I am definitely not a 'strong' grip hand configurator .. it's virtually impossible for me to configure my hand around to a strong orientation because of my short fingers ... I am absolute 'palm to palm' in my hands setting in that new grip application... I will do a more in depth visual showing of how I do configure my grip .. I think over the years the reason I always hit the ball pretty straight was because of the neutrality of my grip configuration... my right hand was always super weak .. I still feel in the new grip that I palm to palm my hands .. cheers JH
It's certainly a step up in contact quality for sure .. and at my age you just don't normally get that occurring with any normal type swing mechanics .. cheers JH
Hi JH one quick question. I’m looking at your side view and it appears that you still have the Moe Norman set up. The shaft angle lined up with your right arm. Maybe you could give us a little demo of your arms in setup?
Hi Jack, This video might help you relate to the trail arm/club shaft alight requirements of Channel Lock .. ua-cam.com/video/eL_8_rOt2qU/v-deo.html.... you need to keep as much of an alignment of the trail arm and club shaft as possible in order that you don't lose the correct loft of the club you are playing .. any angling forward of the club shaft at address/impact will overly deloft the club at impact ... cheers JH
3 years have passed…I think I’ll give this grip a tryout…I likewise don’t feel like I consistently hinge correctly…do you still use the grip? Find any shortfalls with it?
Hi Bill, I haven't experienced any shortfalls with the split grip at all.. it does however require the grips to be somewhat bigger to accommodate the more Palm of the hands application. cheers JH
JH Using the two fisted grip which arm provides the power when coming through? Does the lead hand (for me it’s the left) do all the work with the left just along for the ride?
Hi Sandy, The lead hand/arm should 'pull' hard at the outset of the downswing.. that gets the lead shoulder going 'upwards' and staying closed normally .. once the lead hand/arm has started the downswing motion you should just be trying to straighten the trail arm as soon as you can before impact.. you wont get the trail arm fully straightened before impact.. but you 'should try' to have that happen as a 'feel'.. As well as you are pulling with the lead hand/arm coming down to impact you should be turning the lead thumb downwards and over as feeling through impact .. that will slightly close the clubface through impact and because of the in to out swing path .. will impart some draw ball flight into the shot .. hope that helps.. cheers JH
Hi Jack, This is the 'Ready Code' process..ua-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=TNOwXTs9Htc&ar=1573895020006 it works amazingly well when you get it embedded in your swing .. cheers JH
I started following your videos because I had a very badly Arthritic left hip and knee, making it nearly impossible to shift my weight to my left side. Your early CL swings were clearly off your trail side; in fact, you even hit a few with your lead foot off the ground. Lately, though, your through swing looks more and more conventional, with seeming weight shift to your front foot. I can't do that. Should I just stick to your early videos?
Hi Sean, My intention is still very much to use the trail hip/leg as my rotational axis in my swing.. in the early videos I was 'overdoing' that loading visually to get across the need to do that .. I still load into my trail hip/leg as my intention ..the swing now disguises that emphasis somewhat... but the 'intention' is still very much in place .. You should just keep doing what is body comfortable for you to do .. cheers JH
@@1atomicgolf JH--I've got it working now, and all my hits are straight and long--but very, very low. Can you suggest any adjustments to help get the ball in the air? My driver shots are longer and straighter than before, but even they are low bullets. Any advice would be appreciated.
@@seancoxe3577 Hi Sean, You have to be really aware of the shaft angle at address when you have the ball positioned off the trail foot ... you must get the shaft angle virtually vertical at address in order to launch the ball with the correct loft of the club being used .. There is a very natural tendency to get the hands too far in front of the ball at address with the ball positioned as far back as it is with the CL swing .. when you get to much sgaft lean at address/impact the ball will go a lot lower .. As a drill just hit some shots where you think the shaft is actually leaning backwards at address ... it wont be but it will feel that way .. and get the clubhead realeasing much earlier in the downswing than you normaly would .. I actually feel like I am throwing the clubhead away at the immediate starting down of the backswing .. That gets the release angle at impact level to up which gives proper shot flight elevation .. cheers JH
Hi Chuck, 7 iron carry. with.new. golf balls, 143-145 yrds. ...Driver 240-245 yrds.. I can stretch those numbers a. bit when I need too. but. I have to be cognisant. of. my body..which will be 82. years old soon . cheers JH
Wouldn't a larger or jumbo grip work better using the palm/fist grip? I wear a med/large glove and using a palm grip is very uncomfortable. A bigger grip seems like it might work better (i.e. Bryson Dechambeau).
I think the grip size is directly proportional to the size of the palm length of the individual's hand .. for me if I have a larger grip I think I would lose my 'clamp/crush' factor on the grip with the musculature I have in my particular hands.. At the moment with my normal grip size where I am palming the club creates a dead straight back of the lead hand in line with the forearm.. if I had a bigger grip I think that angularity would change for me ... The only thing I think would benefit my hand's size would be making the bottom half of the grip the same size as the top part of the grip .. that being a 'parallel' grip shape configuration .. I really have never understood tapered grip profiles when both hands are invariably the same size as each other .. cheers JH
Hi Paul, Dechambeau has super Jumbo size grips with about 15 papers under them .. and the grips are parallel as well in profile ... I certainly could not use big grips like that because my hands are not very big ... the 'size' of the grip would be absolutely relative to anatomic hand size differences.. I think for me I get the right amount of 'crush' factor on my grip with the current std size grips .. and frankly the more 'crush' factor pressure I can exert the better my contact is ... Moe Norman told me he tried to 'draw blood' so hard did he grip with his hands .. I remember Lee Comeaux telling me he absolutely tried to 'crush' the grip so hard did he grip... Its still very early days with the grip change .. like 1 day into the development .. but frankly if I never changed one bit from today's grip configuration and maintained the ball flight I had today I would be the happiest guy on the planet .. today's ball striking was ridiculously good .. I will get some DTL video and show everyone how amazingly good the flight is...I cannot believe how incredible the difference was with the grip change .. cheers JH ..
Hi Howie, I am going to do a video with some explanation of the general Vardon type grip for the Dante wrist set .. so I will add some explanation on the Split Grip at the same time because it could actually be good to use with the Dante presetting of the wrists at address.. cheers JH
I appreciate that and I like the palm grip as well it’s just that if you would come up in front of the camera and actually show where the club is laying in the hands that would be very helpful
I have studied Mike Austins swing.. he had incredible swing mechanics,.. the compound pivot is..and.. was ...a very difficult process to understand and apply, Mike did it effortlessly because he was so athletic and flexible, even in his very late years of life, before his stroke of course. cheers JH
I am hoping to get some good videoing conditions to show the downrange ball flight shape and accuracy consitsency..its just so accurate and strong for an old geezer like me .. but if 'you' guys can't 'see' the ball flight it doesn't tell the story of the success of CL and the new grip configuration .. cheers JH
The negative loading is in all my swings .. it is not as readily visual as it was when I was talking about it initially as an explanation of how it worked but it is still very much how I take my club back in all my swings .. cheers JH
Would love to have your email address. Would love to bounce ideas and concepts with you. Never got better than a first flighter(4hdcp) but still looking for the secret. I know I’ve got it in me somewhere.
Hi JH
All going well with the setup routine and your protocols.Reaching the green in regulation is easy when your hitting the ball down the middle.
At my age 77 to find this out with all your attention to details is a great feeling.
If I could putt I would be taken the money every week.My quality of golf shot is just keeps getting better.
I am passing on the CH to all
Thanks to you and Bill
Great stuff will now try the grip
Art
Hi Arthur,
That's great news .. us '77' year olds need all the help we can get don't we ... and I might clearly be biased but I really do not believe any swing type can help out senior golfers better than the CL swing can .. and frankly 'any age' golfer I believe can improve their golfing game significantly by applying the CL swing Protocols..
I must do more on the 'CL Putting' because its even better as a game improver than the full swing CL mechanics because there is only a ball position change and shoulder alignment change to apply .. there is no shoulder turn or body dynamics to come to grips with .. its all an improvement whilst almost 'standing still'...
cheers JH
You're the massive find for me as I am learning your golf swing techniques. Epic ball flight and distance. I want the golf swing that I can always trust in. Moe Norman, Count Yogi, and your self. Epic teachers, epic people. Thanks.
Glad you are getting some good results from the swing mechanics I experiment with on my channel.. there are so many ways you can swing a golf club and get good results for yourself individuaslly.. you just have keep trying different swing variations until you find one that suits your bnody type and ease of mental uptake etc.
Cheers JH
I played my best golf with Moes Swing and "10 fingers", a couple years ago. That was the reason why I at first begun watching you vids, JH. But as a seeker I abandoned Moe Norman swing and the grip. Too difficult. Never the less I am grateful to Bill and you that you intruduce it again.
Yesterday I was out playing with the 8 fingers grip. It was great to discover the grip again! That will be a natural part of my firm and reliabel CL. Thanks!
Hi Martin,
I still have a lot of work to put in on my own split grip 8 finger grip .. its not natural at all for me to have my hands separated ..but when I get it right its a great grip to use..
cheers JH
Good on-ya, JH! You are very contagious! It looks like your "gun slinger" has disappeared and you look like Moe more everyday (with a CL path of course). Thanks for your never ending quest, mate!!!
Hi Dave,
I think I will end up with a fair bit of Moe's swing look in my CL swing going forward... the 'quest' will continue while I find ways to make a 'better' CL swing .. although if I could hit the ball as well as I did yesterday for the rest of my golfing life I really don't need to go looking for 'more' perfection of the swing .. yesterdays quality of strike would do me nicely for the future ..
cheers JH
JH
Great video
Just heading out for a round and will definitely palm the shaft
Good to see you excited
Thanks
I'll be darn biggin just fired the phone up and this vid was on my pop up.
That grip really firms things up for me...actually feel my left backhand making a stronger ball strike! My ball flight today using it for the first time on the range was impressive with 5 & 9 irons! Just an FYI, I was on the range wearing a collar sign that said: "If my smile is infectious, ask me why...and I'll tell you about my NEW FIST GRIP and my CL SWING ! Another new addition to a superb golf swing method...thanks JH for the tip!
Hi Bob,
The grip change is a winner for me big-time..i am so solid at impact now and it is impossible for the club to turn over excessively before impact and cause a smother or whatever ..ok I didnt have that potential really with my STD grip and the CL mechanics application .. but now its a double whammy insurance policy against that happening..
You are right about the CL stuff bringing enjoyment back to the game .. I 'know' that 'everyday' now I am going to have the 'same 'swing result as I had the day before ... and that 'has' to make you 'happy'..
cheers JH
What are your thoughts on bringing this grip to the short game...which I will do tomorrow....taking a day off today-BODY HEALING DAY! Specifically-chipping and pitching inside 50 yards? Video coming?
JH I cant believe what I am seeing here...I accidentally put the club in my palms the other day just to experiment and my striking has came on leaps and bounds Its great! I feel like I cant turn it over as much it is going straighter..glad to see you have found this too
Some of my best developments have come from 'accidental' applications of things.. I played with a ' faulty' grip my whole golfing life... the new grip change is absolutely the best 'accident' I have ever had..
cheers JH
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Ya jh.been using that grip about as long as I've played golf.busted my hands up boxing and racing dirt bikes for years so i stuck with that grip much more comfortable and controllable.cheers
Hi Danny,
I should have tried the grip when I first started playing because I raced motorcycles ( hundreds of races) for years and have broken just about every bone in both hands at one time or another and actually chopped off some parts of fingers on my right hand in a car racing accident .. so my hands generally are not suited to dextrous 'finger' placement configuration in a golf grip ..
cheers JH
“Fist grip-split-Moe in palm-stay back with secondary tilt-pull hard with lead hand-rotate hard with release-trap release”
Great stuff-so thankful for this amazing info that helps us so much to efficiently use our BAL= balance, angles and levers
Question JH--have you tried
Gene Sarazen baseball grip with trial thumb under grip ?
Cheers
Hi Bob,
Actually, Sarazen used an 'interlocking' grip with his 'lead' thumb off the shaft and wrapped around it..not ' his trail' thumb.. ..www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/westchester-biltmore-club-rye-n-y-close-up-of-sarazens-grip-news-photo/516527776... I think it was Demerit who called Sarazen's grip the... Craziest Bunch of Bananas' he had ever seen ..
Hi JH I love this experimentation with the grip and why not. The birth of CL would’ve never happened without exploring different avenues.I have small hands and have went to a midsize grip and I feel the club in my palms more and I have to say it feels natural to me .Tinker plays with jumbo grips and uses split grip.Bryson D has a interesting video on UA-cam about his grips and how he grips the club. I think your definitely on to something that will be beneficial to lockers and take it another level .I like to use that terminology because with cL their has been multiple breakthroughs that have elevated the quality of ball striking.
Hi Matt,
No question that the individual grip configuration will be very important in getting a split grip to work correctly for specific players .. how I am exerting the pressure in my grip clearly suits me but may not suit other players .. I have to give more intrinsic details about how to position the club correctly to get the best holding factors working to best advantage ..
To make the change I did with no testing of the process and to have it work perfectly first shot was mind-numbing to experience ... I feel like I cannot miss-hit a shot now .. never ever felt that feeling before in my entire golfing life .. it must be how Moe felt ... he told me point blank he knew he couldn't miss hit shots in the true sense of a miss hit .. I feel absolutely like that now .. and at my age to develop that feeling is just unbelievable ..
Clearly the configuration of application 'I' am now using in the grip would have to be physically shown to a student to get them understanding the purchase positioning pressures I am using and exerting in the grip application for myself ..
It would only be a matter of tuning someone else's grip to suit their hands type of construction... but generally speaking, the 'base' configuration factors that I am using can be applied to any player ..
cheers Jh
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Joe Dante’s LH grip was a palm and fingers grip, where the club lay in the palm near the pinky, but more traditional near the forefinger. Very solid feel.
i tried this 30 odd years ago i experienced the power and was told by a young gun that it was no good.went out today at 68 years of age and wow,more distance and consistant direction.ash
Hi Ash,
Never listen to anyone who tells you something is no good..or won't work in the Golf swing ..
Every person has a different capability to everyone else.. the 'only' thing that you should consider in a Golf Swing .. is' how' something works for 'You'..
Theories mean nothing in individual Golf Swings ..
cheers JH
J , if you ever come to Port Arthur, Texas look me up. Lee C lives here. Have played with him several times over the years. I’am 75 ,Lee is about 51.
Lee is a great striker of the Golf ball, he has like Mike Austin his own physicality's of mechanics application, and like Mike Austin they are relative to his flexibility points in his body, those being his shoulders /wrists and hip extensors,,
Lee can ...like Mike Dunaway and Mike Austin... load the clubhead at the top of the swing whilst getting his hips/.torso moving in advance of the hands/arms with quite some gap in the downswing body componentry sequencing.
Lee loads the tip of his clubhead at the top of his swing transition with his lead knee/hip the same as Austin and Dunaway did, which is why he can develop the power he does.
cheers JH
Good video JH. I've been using that grip since I read the article about Moe in the '96 Golf Digest. I've been using it the whole time while learning CL also.
Hi James,
The crazy thing for me is that Moe showed me his grip in chapter and verse but I just didn't come to grips with the intricate detail of the positioning and purchase factors ... and as result, I didn't like the feel of the grip back then and never used it or taught it to any Moe mechanics students .
It's so annoying that I have lost all those years of potential ball-striking at the level I am now experiencing .. Moe showed me all about his grip in 1995 ...that's 20+ years wasted ...
cheers JH
@@1atomicgolf Better late than never. I liked it from the minute I tried it. It fixed my slice immediately.
How about going out and playing 5 holes. It would be fun to see you on the course.
Took Channel Lock to the course one day for a quick test..only played one par 4 and one par 3 ua-cam.com/video/jfPTEN8s26A/v-deo.htmlsi=updMMqsmorKTof16 ua-cam.com/video/fF0mv7OHFxM/v-deo.htmlsi=nRUS6Dg30Fkh4JlA
Cheers JH
Fist grip just like an ax or sledgehammer
This is “natural golf”
Today I was doing my field testing in 43 degree Fahrenheit...30 balls and I
achieved what you termed
“really put a clamp on that last
ball “
What did I do to get that “clamp” (I used all the correct
protocols) ???????
Hi Bob,
You 'Elder Statesmen' ... yourself and Mike Riley show us, young whippersnappers, what real dedication is to practice... practicing in the very cold weather that I know you both practice in is great testimony relative to commitment of getting a golf swing sorted out .. both you and Mike are on the other side of 80 so really if you guys can brave those tough elements .... all us other guys have no excuses at all ..
I will never experience really cold conditions where I live ever .. a very cold day for us is around 12 degs celsius... which is about 55 degs Fahrenheit ... but those days are far and few between .. like now over here we have had 40 days in a row over 90 degs .. out west from here they just set a new nighttime temperature record at 2 am of 39 degs celsius which is around 103 degs .. which is crazy at 2 am .. I take some cold days right now .. even 55 deg ones ..
cheers JH
JH I've been reading the comments about people wanting to see the ball flight. I believe there is a Top Tracer app. I'm seeing a lot of golf channels using it. I'll check into it. If I find something worth reporting I'll let you know 👍
Hi Dan,
There are lots of videos on the channel showing ball flight ..this is just one ua-cam.com/video/P6ODl4QQ-Io/v-deo.html
If you type in youtube search bar Channel Lock DTL View you will pull up all the other videos ..the videos show 'actual' ball flight .. not an anticipated flight relative to the device determining a 'supposed' ball flight direction.. I would like to be able to hit the ball as straight as you can shoot ..
cheers JH
One long par 4 which is an 80 degree dog leg left over the side of a mountain. I normally go straight and have a 5 wood to a down hill bunker protected green. With the palm grip I now go over the side and have a 7 iron in. This is working.
Hi Ray,
I definitely don't see any negatives to using the palm grip relative to power development.. I am getting a bit more length as well .. I think that's because the palm grip just apply's the hands in a more pwerful manner at impact..
cheers JH
The sound on a few of your shots is ike a rifle shot. Retired Ice Hockey and Baseball players are good golfers generally. Maybe it’s the feeling they had using a palm grip? I’ve have to try it JH. Cheers!
Hi John,
Its a pity you couldn't see the DTL shots flight .. it was absolutely crazy good .. I have never experienced the ball flight I had today ever at any time in my golfing life .. and it was the first swings I have ever tried with the grip configuration .. the contact was so different from my normal impact feel and sound .. and I still have some issues with my right shoulder so it was really amazing to get the contact I did get first up with the grip change ..
cheers JH
JH’... it looks like the swing might be straining your lower back, am I right or wrong ? I have a bad back but I love the simplistic swing that you have developed. I’m left handed so I’m having to watch all your videos in the mirror. Love your show !!!
Hi Don,
The back issues I have on occasions is from some old race car crash injuries ... I do a lot of Gym work with weights and if I try some different lifts that I haven't been doing before I get some issues with my lower back ..
Actually the reduction in rotation significance that is in the CL swing is great for my back .. Cl is really user friendly to the back .. yeah its a bummer being left handed and having teachers showing you swing stuff from the right handed perspective .. and I am cognisant of that and its why I don't refer to right or left ... hands/arms/legs/hips .. but refer to a 'Lead ' arm/hand/leg/hip or 'Trail' arm/hand/leg/hip ...which is the only real reference I can give for left handed players ..
cheers JH
JH thanks so much for the informative videos. in one of your videos you mention you are in the search for the ideal swing for yourself. Out of all the swings you have featured what swing would you use and recommend for a senior golfer thx
Hi Donald,
Actually the swing that I have had a lot of success with teaching club level players .. is this swing.. ua-cam.com/video/4kP_5_S-0SE/v-deo.html ..its a very simple action and doesn't require a lot of segment type thinking.. its basically just ..fold the trail arm at the elbow.. let the lead arm fold as well as a feeling.. and then just straighten out the folded trail arm in the downswing.. its a very simple swing process for most people.
There are a few videos on the swing on my channel.. just type in to the search bar .. Fold and Hammer golf swing.. and all the videos will come up ..
cheers JH
What a great sound that makes. I just tried that indoors with no ball, just making contact with the ground. So much more control with the split grip and backhanding it with the lead hand. Can't wait for a decent day to try this at the course. Could you maybe do a close up of exactly how you are gripping it JH?
Hi Larry,
A video will be up later tonight showing the grip in close up detail .. it will be titled ' Channel Lock * finger Fist Grip ..
cheers JH
Thanks JH. I appreciate it.
Hi Larry,
I hope that explanation helped .. I am still working on the grip change myself and keep unconsciously falling back into my normal overlap grip ... I will really be bearing down to get the grip integrated into my swing as my std grip going forward..
Cheers Jh
Thanks again. I went through the whole Moe Norman thing several years back but I was using the Vardon Grip in the palms of my hands. I did not have a lot of success with it because of the wide stance. Really looking forward to some success with this.
Hey JH hope you’re fine Sir .. Tried something like this years ago and forgot it probably trying something new :) .. can’t wait to try it out again at weekend & will let you know
I think Moe & Hogan were left handed but played right handed ? Do you think that helped them “back hand” the shot with lead hand and give them an “unfair advantage” ?
Cheers, Craig
Thanks for the video, JH. Do you have a closed stance at address and the ball near the right in-step?
I do.. refer to your other post to Mr X above for my explanation.
cheers JH
Hi Jh love the video does this mean you are getting better strikes now pulling with your lead arm rather than smashing the ball with your trailing right arm.Thanks.Max
Hi Max,
Still pulling with the lead hand/arm... you have to to keep the lead shoulder closed during the downswing ..just way more emphasis on the trail hand smash ..
cheers JH
@@1atomicgolf Thanks again Max
Are you using a baseball grip on all your channel lock swings ?
I use a normal Vardon overlapping grip .. the split grip was very solid and accurate but I lost distance with it because it restricted the hinge release of my hands at impact .. but that was a personal thing .. if you can use the split grip and not lose clubhead speed no reason not to use it ..
cheers JH
Many golfer friends here in the UK have searched long & hard for the HOLY GRAIL of golf
And believe we have found it in a paddock in Australia
The channel lockers army in the UK need their captain to guide us when battling with golf courses around the world
So come on Captain Fantastic get well soon and with ur 5 iron in hand give us the Pipe Line Dream xx
Hi Dave,
Trying very hard to find a cure 'Protocol' for my current illness..
cheers JH
Your discover is interesting in that Alex J. Morrison (who taught both Jack Grout and Henry Picard) showed how the left grip should be in his 1933 classic "A New Way to Better Golf." He insisted that the left hand grip it the palm, with a very strong grip, and the thumb separated well away from the forefinger and wrapped around (ie: underneath) the right side of the grip. Try it, and you'll find that it's a secure grip with that really enables the wrist to cock and "load" the club on the backswing.
Hi Lee,
I cannot wrap my lead thumb around the grip because it creates too much ulnar deviation in my lead hand... as well the hands become totally independent units of operation which makes the hands/arms to uncoupled from each other .. I think you have to have a very specific type of hand construction to apply that configuration of gripping ..
cheers JH
That sounds like the way Gene Sarizan gripped the club
JH,
With that grip would you be able to lift the left hand with the club crooked under the heel pad of the palm and the index finger with the other three fingers of the left hand off the club (as in the famous picture in Five Lessons on p. 21)? I often slip into such a grip and try to "fix" it by moving it back under the heel pad. Maybe I should just leave it alone. My favorite description of a good grip is that described by George Knudson in his little Natural Golf book which is basically putting your hands together as in prayer (appropriate for me) and just sliding the right hand down the shaft. That would seem to be similar to what you're doing. But I wonder about the grip being wedged under the heel pad as with Hogan's description. It seems if its in the palm of the left hand I need to find out what angle across the lead palm it should be -- it might be straight across the palm (running parallel to the base of the fingers and you might still wedge it under the heel pad) or diagonally across the palm (toward the base of the index finger) and unless you had really large hands would be difficult to get it "wedged". I suspect late Moe and Dechambeau do not or did not have "wedged" lead hand grips at all. Maybe we've been mislead by that picture in Hogan's book for 60 years. Anyway, nice to see someone mention something that is of really paramount concern to a good golf grip but seldom mentioned. I think the perception is out there that the lead hand "wedge" grip is the only effective way to do it.
Hi Thomas,
There is no 'wedge' angle at all in my new grip... and the grip has zero relation to Hogan's grip or any conventional grip for that matter...
If you held you lead hand straight out in front of you at right angles to the ground with no angle differential between the back of the lead wrist and the forearm and then just closed your lead hand in a totally perpendicular plane manner ...that is how the hand configuration is applied.
If you had a soft peg... say 3 inches in diameter ...circular in shape ... and you wanted to drive that peg into the ground vertically with your lead hand ..how would you do that..you would close up your lead hand into a fist and hit the top of the peg with the underside of your hand ...the the heel pad of the hand .. but you couldnt do that if the heel pad wasnt configured as a totally flat surface.. and that couldn't happen if the hand was not configured at 90 degs perpendicular to the forearm .
How you configure that hand orientation dictates how the club grip must be positioned in the hand to get that type of hand configuration ... Dechambeau's grip is different to mine because of the incredible lie angle of his irons .. which are 12 degs upright .. he has a very much finger incorporation in his grip because of the need for a crazy amount of ulnar deviation to facilitate the extraordinary level of uprightness of his irons lies ... you cannot hold the club in the palm as I am doing with that lie level of iron specification ... and if you look at his grip he has a lot of fingers in play in his grip .. which he has to because of the massive size of his grips...
I will have to give a lot more explanation of 'how' I am applying 'my' grip .. suffice to say at this point in time the main emphasis is really just to keep my lead hand perfectly in line with my lead forearm with no 'droop' angle down when I take the grip initially ... its hard to understand the written explanation as it is here which is why I will extrapolate the configuration more clearly in the next videos ..
Hogan could hold the club the way 'he'did because his individual anatomical hand construction allowed 'him' to do so ... unless you have Hogan's hand construction type you will not be able to hold the club as he indicated we 'all' should....as I have said many times before .. Hogans book destroyed more swings than it 'helped'.. the crazy illustration of the elbows bound together in the book ... why did he illustrate that when he clearly didn't do anything like that in his actual swing.
But in defence of Hogan, he did say that what 'he' did in his swing would probably do more 'harm' to general players swings if tried to be applied than it would as a help mechanism...
cheers JH
Thanks JH. I look forward to seeing more inside this new grip. I tried your driving the peg into the ground with the lead fist idea and for me (and me only) I naturally make the fist with a flat left wrist and a ninety degree angle between the forearm and the club shaft when I hold it up in front of me. My lead thumb runs straight up the grip at 12:00 -- but that's just my hand configuration. Looking at it from a caddy view it would be considered very weak, say Jordan Spiethish looking. Nothing wrong with that, but it does not look like what you are showing. Yours looks like what they might conventionally call three knuckle -- it appears your lead thumb is about 1 o'clock. When I try the same thing (or what I consider the same thing ) I'm a one knuckle. Of course I don't think that counting the knuckles makes any sense at all, but it is at least a point for comparison. Complex subject -- no two grips look the same or are the same if you really look into them. I appreciate your insights as always.
I looked again at the video and I'm wrong about the 3 knuckle -- it's clearly not that "strong". It's more that the "V" of your lead hand is pointing between your chin and trail shoulder as in conventional. With me it will run to a spot between my chin and lead shoulder. Maybe the lesson is don't worry about the Vs or the knuckles. Find out what works for your hand configuration to let you hammer the ball.
Hi Thomas,
I am definitely not a 'strong' grip hand configurator .. it's virtually impossible for me to configure my hand around to a strong orientation because of my short fingers ... I am absolute 'palm to palm' in my hands setting in that new grip application... I will do a more in depth visual showing of how I do configure my grip ..
I think over the years the reason I always hit the ball pretty straight was because of the neutrality of my grip configuration... my right hand was always super weak .. I still feel in the new grip that I palm to palm my hands ..
cheers JH
Even the sound of the strike is different---you can tell it's S-O-L-I-D
It's certainly a step up in contact quality for sure .. and at my age you just don't normally get that occurring with any normal type swing mechanics ..
cheers JH
Hi JH one quick question. I’m looking at your side view and it appears that you still have the Moe Norman set up. The shaft angle lined up with your right arm. Maybe you could give us a little demo of your arms in setup?
Hi Jack,
This video might help you relate to the trail arm/club shaft alight requirements of Channel Lock .. ua-cam.com/video/eL_8_rOt2qU/v-deo.html.... you need to keep as much of an alignment of the trail arm and club shaft as possible in order that you don't lose the correct loft of the club you are playing .. any angling forward of the club shaft at address/impact will overly deloft the club at impact ...
cheers JH
3 years have passed…I think I’ll give this grip a tryout…I likewise don’t feel like I consistently hinge correctly…do you still use the grip?
Find any shortfalls with it?
Hi Bill,
I haven't experienced any shortfalls with the split grip at all.. it does however require the grips to be somewhat bigger to accommodate the more Palm of the hands application.
cheers JH
JH Using the two fisted grip which arm provides the power when coming through? Does the lead hand (for me it’s the left) do all the work with the left just along for the ride?
Hi Sandy,
The lead hand/arm should 'pull' hard at the outset of the downswing.. that gets the lead shoulder going 'upwards' and staying closed normally .. once the lead hand/arm has started the downswing motion you should just be trying to straighten the trail arm as soon as you can before impact.. you wont get the trail arm fully straightened before impact.. but you 'should try' to have that happen as a 'feel'..
As well as you are pulling with the lead hand/arm coming down to impact you should be turning the lead thumb downwards and over as feeling through impact .. that will slightly close the clubface through impact and because of the in to out swing path .. will impart some draw ball flight into the shot .. hope that helps..
cheers JH
Hi JH just watched Mr X chipping Video What is the ready thing you kept mentioning?
Hi Jack,
This is the 'Ready Code' process..ua-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=TNOwXTs9Htc&ar=1573895020006 it works amazingly well when you get it embedded in your swing ..
cheers JH
I started following your videos because I had a very badly Arthritic left hip and knee, making it nearly impossible to shift my weight to my left side. Your early CL swings were clearly off your trail side; in fact, you even hit a few with your lead foot off the ground. Lately, though, your through swing looks more and more conventional, with seeming weight shift to your front foot. I can't do that. Should I just stick to your early videos?
Hi Sean,
My intention is still very much to use the trail hip/leg as my rotational axis in my swing.. in the early videos I was 'overdoing' that loading visually to get across the need to do that .. I still load into my trail hip/leg as my intention ..the swing now disguises that emphasis somewhat... but the 'intention' is still very much in place ..
You should just keep doing what is body comfortable for you to do ..
cheers JH
@@1atomicgolf JH--I've got it working now, and all my hits are straight and long--but very, very low. Can you suggest any adjustments to help get the ball in the air? My driver shots are longer and straighter than before, but even they are low bullets. Any advice would be appreciated.
@@seancoxe3577 Hi Sean,
You have to be really aware of the shaft angle at address when you have the ball positioned off the trail foot ... you must get the shaft angle virtually vertical at address in order to launch the ball with the correct loft of the club being used ..
There is a very natural tendency to get the hands too far in front of the ball at address with the ball positioned as far back as it is with the CL swing .. when you get to much sgaft lean at address/impact the ball will go a lot lower ..
As a drill just hit some shots where you think the shaft is actually leaning backwards at address ... it wont be but it will feel that way .. and get the clubhead realeasing much earlier in the downswing than you normaly would .. I actually feel like I am throwing the clubhead away at the immediate starting down of the backswing .. That gets the release angle at impact level to up which gives proper shot flight elevation ..
cheers JH
@@1atomicgolf Thanks, JH, I'll try that tomorrow. Sean
How far you hitting your driver and 7 iron?
Hi Chuck,
7 iron carry. with.new. golf balls, 143-145 yrds. ...Driver 240-245 yrds.. I can stretch those numbers a. bit when I need too. but. I have to be cognisant. of. my body..which will be 82. years old soon .
cheers JH
Wouldn't a larger or jumbo grip work better using the palm/fist grip? I wear a med/large glove and using a palm grip is very uncomfortable. A bigger grip seems like it might work better (i.e. Bryson Dechambeau).
Also, how large a grip can you go to? and what effect does grip width have on the swing. Can you go tennis racquet width?
I think the grip size is directly proportional to the size of the palm length of the individual's hand .. for me if I have a larger grip I think I would lose my 'clamp/crush' factor on the grip with the musculature I have in my particular hands.. At the moment with my normal grip size where I am palming the club creates a dead straight back of the lead hand in line with the forearm.. if I had a bigger grip I think that angularity would change for me ...
The only thing I think would benefit my hand's size would be making the bottom half of the grip the same size as the top part of the grip .. that being a 'parallel' grip shape configuration .. I really have never understood tapered grip profiles when both hands are invariably the same size as each other ..
cheers JH
Hi Paul,
Dechambeau has super Jumbo size grips with about 15 papers under them .. and the grips are parallel as well in profile ... I certainly could not use big grips like that because my hands are not very big ... the 'size' of the grip would be absolutely relative to anatomic hand size differences..
I think for me I get the right amount of 'crush' factor on my grip with the current std size grips .. and frankly the more 'crush' factor pressure I can exert the better my contact is ... Moe Norman told me he tried to 'draw blood' so hard did he grip with his hands .. I remember Lee Comeaux telling me he absolutely tried to 'crush' the grip so hard did he grip...
Its still very early days with the grip change .. like 1 day into the development .. but frankly if I never changed one bit from today's grip configuration and maintained the ball flight I had today I would be the happiest guy on the planet .. today's ball striking was ridiculously good .. I will get some DTL video and show everyone how amazingly good the flight is...I cannot believe how incredible the difference was with the grip change ..
cheers JH ..
HI PH,'
My reply for you is the one directly under Paul Gunning below.. it somehow ended up depositing itself under Pauls post..
cheers JH...
Is it possible for you to do a close-up almost right in front of the camera exactly how to put the club in your hands for this palm grip
Hi Howie,
I am going to do a video with some explanation of the general Vardon type grip for the Dante wrist set .. so I will add some explanation on the Split Grip at the same time because it could actually be good to use with the Dante presetting of the wrists at address..
cheers JH
I appreciate that and I like the palm grip as well it’s just that if you would come up in front of the camera and actually show where the club is laying in the hands that would be very helpful
Have you ever studied Mike Austin?
I have studied Mike Austins swing.. he had incredible swing mechanics,.. the compound pivot is..and.. was ...a very difficult process to understand and apply, Mike did it effortlessly because he was so athletic and flexible, even in his very late years of life, before his stroke of course.
cheers JH
Whoops-meant lead thumb under as in baseball grip
Would be nice to see that ball flight on a trackman JH...
I am hoping to get some good videoing conditions to show the downrange ball flight shape and accuracy consitsency..its just so accurate and strong for an old geezer like me .. but if 'you' guys can't 'see' the ball flight it doesn't tell the story of the success of CL and the new grip configuration ..
cheers JH
JH the best yet...!!!
Its gonna be a Big Big plus for the CL swing protocols.. of that I have 'no doubt'..
cheers Jh
Is your grip neutral?
My. grip. is. very much a neutral grip.
Cheers JH
Good video.
Question, I’m not seeing negative loading.
Is it me or in your case is it just hard to see?
Thanks
The negative loading is in all my swings .. it is not as readily visual as it was when I was talking about it initially as an explanation of how it worked but it is still very much how I take my club back in all my swings ..
cheers JH
Come on j h fist it LOL
I tried it today ,it works . I'm 69 .
Hi John,
Glad it worked for you.. being 69 you have 'lots' of time left to enjoy playing Golf with the CL swing process.
cheers JH
Would love to have your email address. Would love to bounce ideas and concepts with you. Never got better than a first flighter(4hdcp) but still looking for the secret. I know I’ve got it in me somewhere.
Hi Thomas,
My email is jhensby1@gmail.com
cheers JH