Cheshire Lines Helix Demo.

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
  • Following a request to see the helices on the layout I've put together this video showing a train run two complete circuits using the inner and outer helix lines. The two helix tracks are 2nd & 3rd radius, but would recommend going 4th radius. Any questions - just ask in the comments below.
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  • @alannewman85
    @alannewman85 Місяць тому

    Fantastic work, you must be so proud - would love to know how you calculated the helix and built them.

  • @Julian-zc4ik
    @Julian-zc4ik 2 роки тому +2

    What a great layout, lots of hard work and well executed, for some reason you made me sit up and take notice! I have liked and subscribed and will look back over some of your previous videos. I run a 5 level helix although 3rd and 4th radius and at the moment I only run diesel so no problems, but I was very interested to see how well your train took even the 2nd radius - very impressive. All the best, Julian

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Julian, thanks for you comments and sub - really appreciated. I think you've done the right thing with 4th radius - wish I had done that ! Chris

  • @THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
    @THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of 7 місяців тому

    WHAT A LOVELY LAYOUT YOU HAVE CREATED

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  7 місяців тому

      Thank you for your kind comment - really appreciated. Chris :-)

  • @ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932
    @ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing layout, I have similar style with a lower fiddle ward accessed by a four track Helix both up and down. Cheers

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks - appreciate your comments ! a 4 track helix is very impressive ! Chris.

  • @mpetersen6
    @mpetersen6 2 місяці тому

    One thing about helixes with the threaded rod and nuts. No matter whether you are using just nuts and washers or tube spacers between levels. If the tubing is cut square or with the nuts the clamping if the sections fan cause the section to distort so that it is twisted slightly at each riser. One way with tubing to avoid this would be to dut the ends of the tubing at an angle that matches the helix angle. For just using nuts and washers the use of spherical washers would eliminate any twist. If using eood spacers cut to the matching angle. For wood risers l like the idea of risers that have dados cut at the proper uniform distance at the matching angle.
    Also the outer perimeter of the helix should have some sort of barrier. Just in case.
    Another idea l have not seen is the use of curved turnouts at a certain point to allow the exterior portion of the helix to be used for a special interest scene. Especially if modeling railroading in the mountains.

  • @andybusard6694
    @andybusard6694 7 місяців тому

    I love the Brunel bridge!!!

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  7 місяців тому

      Thank you ! Really appreciate you kind words 🙂 Chris

  • @dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267

    Very impressive, well done on your helix construction

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  Рік тому

      Thank you - really appreciate the comment. Chris 🙂

  • @markdebsauzzietravels
    @markdebsauzzietravels 2 роки тому

    Hi mate
    Great vid and thanks for sharing awesome layout
    Cheers Mark

  • @peterfarrington3702
    @peterfarrington3702 3 місяці тому

    Hi Chris, I have wondered for a while who built the Cheshire Lines layout, now I know. I am jealous of your Prince Albert bridge but your layout is indoors, I am building my bridge out of wood and aluminium as mine is outside in the garden and as such it is not possible to make a 'scale' model of the bridge but it is a reasonable copy. I look forward to seeing you at Chester Cathedral with Watford station etc. and the rest of the 'Railnuts'.

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  3 місяці тому +1

      Hi Peter, Thanks for your comments :-) Doing a railway outside presents all sorts of challenges ! - bring some pictures to Chester - look forward to seeing you there ! Chris

  • @johne5854
    @johne5854 Рік тому

    Fantastic layout.

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  Рік тому

      Thank you - really appreciate the comment. Chris 🙂

  • @learningoogauge3452
    @learningoogauge3452 2 роки тому

    Wow the bridge is stunning! Subbed!

  • @AntonioLopes-on4pe
    @AntonioLopes-on4pe 2 роки тому

    Hi,
    Great layout, thanks for sharing.
    I'm in the middle of building a new section for my layout, which includes, as well, two helixes with 2nd and 3rd radius.
    I did already some tests and it all runs well, including steam locos (even on the 2nd radius). However, it's always better to have some margin. Therefore I'm serious considering changing the helixes to 3rd and 4th radius.
    As I did them with flex track, I can reuse most of it, as well as the threaded rod, nuts, washers, etc. Plywood, would have to be scrapped. I have to think throgh it a bit more, but definitely, the change has to be done now, before the top level is built.
    Let's see if I have the courage to go ahead...

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Hi Antonio, knowing what I know now, I would definately go 4th radius and probably only with one line. I would also be tempted to lay DCC Concepts powerbaye under it too. Chris

  • @wamgoc
    @wamgoc 2 роки тому

    Nice layout

  • @TimsBitsnPieces
    @TimsBitsnPieces 10 місяців тому

    This layout is fantastic.. I did notice that on the 1st helix inner track the carriages were touching an electronic board @5:42. You might want to watch the footage and see what I am talking about if you are not aware of it already. I would love to do something like this in my train room and as I mainly run steam loco's I would have to think about what sized radius I would need to lay the tracks at adn then work out if I have enough room to do so.. I would love to have a large fiddle yard either under the main layout like you do or something similar... time to put my thinking hat on and do some maths or at least consult anyrail. hmmmm food for thought tho.. thank you for a great video showing your layout which is fantastic as I have stated at the start of this comment. Cheers from Australia Tim.

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  10 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Tim - really appreciate your comments - yes I had spotted the training wire and it's now fixed ! Heliices are great but can be troublesome - if you have the space go 4th radius ! Chris

  • @jonas2431
    @jonas2431 9 місяців тому

    I want to add a helix to my layout soon

  • @shauntaylor9251
    @shauntaylor9251 Рік тому

    Great to see the helix's in action .
    One point though , on the first helix shouldn't the outside track be the up and inside the down ? The physics of it mean the outer is a shallower incline

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  Рік тому

      Yes you're right - it has to do with my main loops of the layout - the outside 2 are connected to outer line of the helix and the inner 2 loops connected to the R2 helix line. It is possible to swap between them in the fiddle yard, but up top on the main tracks less so. I am considering rebuilding the helices to put in an R4 track so I may also put in points at the top to allow switching between the outer and inner loops.

  • @breintonjunction791
    @breintonjunction791 2 роки тому

    Hi Chris,just found your channel & sub like the look of your layout and the helixes very clever but as you say 2nd & 3rd radius is a bit tight cheers Al

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Thanks Al - yep 4th radius would have been better - bit late now though !

  • @TrevorOakley-tt8pd
    @TrevorOakley-tt8pd Рік тому

    Many thanks. A great video and superb layout. Seriously thinking about building two helixes and so this has been very informative thank you. Can I ask what gradient you used please and as I will need to use 2nd and 3rd radius due to space issues, do any of you diesel locos and freight wagons or coaches have any issues ascending or descending please? Thanks

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  Рік тому +1

      Hi Trevor - thank you for your kind words. The gradient is really dictated by the height of the track above - on mine its climbing 84mm in each circle. Heavy diesel locos have no problem - does depend on length of trains. Steam does tend to struggle, which is why I wish I had gone 4th radius - but they do take a lot of space. I would also recommend installing DCC concepts power base to help lighter locos. Hope that helps, Chris

    • @TrevorOakley-tt8pd
      @TrevorOakley-tt8pd Рік тому

      @@CheshireLines thanks Chris. Did you have to use the DCC Concepts powerbase?

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  Рік тому +1

      @@TrevorOakley-tt8pd Well - I tried to do it on the cheap and layed a ferric strip between the tracks and put magnets on the locos - it does work, but the strip does sometimes cause derailments so will probably remove it - wish I had gone power base and 4th radius - now a big job to change it !

  • @thegrowler-blackwoodngauge
    @thegrowler-blackwoodngauge 2 роки тому

    Now those Helixes look as though they are from a gentleman in Bedford ? I have two myself in N gauge with 8 rotations to move my stock 15" from top to lower fiddle yard. Could do with a camera to view the lower level. Do you mind if I ask what make of camera is it and how is it set up. Cheers Euan

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Hi, the camera is a car reversing camera kit to give a rear view when parking - it came with 2 cameras and cables and runs off 12v - the make I've got is Buyee but there are others - search Amazon - there are even wireless ones now ! Hope that helps, Chris.

  • @chrisvaughan159
    @chrisvaughan159 2 роки тому

    Really interesting, thanks. A quick question, though. What gradient have you achieved good running with, please?

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Chris, so I estimate the R3 is about 1:37 and the R2 about 1:34. There is an 8.5cm height difference between each level. If I was doing it again I would go R4 for the steam locos - the diesels cope fine. Hope that helps. Chris

    • @chrisvaughan159
      @chrisvaughan159 2 роки тому

      @@CheshireLines Thanks for your reply Chris. Whoa that's quite steep for steam isn't it, but clearly you diesel had no issues with - what was it - 12 on! I take what you say about using R4
      Food for thought, though. Makes me ponder about my layout design with its' problem fiddle yard. Really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks again, best regards Chris.

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Hi Chris, the other thing you could consider is the DCC concepts power base and then add magnets to your locos that should give them a boost. Chris.

  • @mikeandrew443
    @mikeandrew443 2 роки тому

    Hi, I have just acquired a 4.5m x 3.0m railway room. Am I expecting too much to be hoping to have a low level fiddle yard with helixes in that kind of space?

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Hi Mike, Hmmm - I think you may struggle - the diameter of my helices is 1.1m so if you had 2 you would be left with 2.3 m for the fiddle yard - the length of each road would decrease with every road added due to the points - so you need to have an undertstanding of how long and how many trains you wish to store in the fiddle yard as it may end up not being worthwhile because your trains are too long. An alternative would be to have one helix into a fiddle yard and at the end you have a reversing loop using space under and around the rest of the room - A train would then enter the fiddle yard via the helix and then leave the fiddle yard via the reversing loop to ascend the same helix - this would give you extra fiddle yard space, but would put the trains back on the top in a reversed direction.
      So... you have enough space to do 2 helices, but will it give you the fiddle yard space you want ? . . .
      I would also recommend using AnyRail software to draw out accurately your fiddle yard - this will help you decide whether you have enough space or not. Hope this helps, Chris

    • @Touriste31-kb4gc
      @Touriste31-kb4gc 8 місяців тому

      Hi, I’m just converting half my double garage into a railway room of 4,6m x 2.6m. I’ve built a track plan in SCARM which will have a single 5 layer 2nd and 3rd radius helix with a 3% slope descending from the main scenic level to the lower fiddle yard, with a reverse loop ruining around the outside of the fiddle yard. This gives me 11 storage lines reach of about 2m long, enough for a train of one loco and six coaches or a five car rake HST. I’ve watched a number of different UA-cam videos on helix and I’m feeling my plan should work. I intend to test all my planned loco/coach/wagon combinations on a test two layer helix before I start the full layout build just to be sure. Thanks for your video as it further increases my confidence that my plan should work. Great layout with a wow moment seeing your bridge.

  • @wamgoc
    @wamgoc 2 роки тому

    Do your Steam Locos have trouble pulling coaches up your helixes?

    • @CheshireLines
      @CheshireLines  2 роки тому

      Typically yes steam locos struggle although 9F copes well and can haul 30 loaded mineral wagons up them. I have laid a magnetic strip between the rails to help, but I wish I had gone 4th radius which I think would have helped a lot.