How would an INTP in survival mode differ from an INTP who is thriving? | CS Joseph Responds
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- CS Joseph responds to the question how would an INTP in survival mode differ from an INTP who is thriving?
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INTP in survival mode is a stress coping mechanism, the Ti-Si loop.
Me I watch asmr and mukbangs and mope about how existence doens't make sense and everyone is stupid lol
You can never go wrong creating INTP-centric content.
I wanted to learn German so bad, because it interested me and got my Si Child engaged. But being American, I feel the duty and expectation to learn Spanish, because it's actually useful. I tried learning Spanish so many times, but gave up from lack of interest. I finally decided that Im going to do what I WANT to do, and start learning German. It makes so much sense to me, and it's so easy for me to remember. Before, I wasn't learning any language, which is far worse than learning a potentially useless language. Just as not making any decision can be worse than making a bad decision (im looking at you, Ni Critic).
Wow I'm in the exact same position. Learning German right now, hoping to visit Switzerland/Germany/Austria next summer.
It happened to me...
Everybody wanted me to learn English but I wanted to learn French. I ended up learning both lol
@@BryanSalyersXD Freu dich drauf! In Deutschland gibt es einige INTPs ;-)
Lol exact same for me, I tried to learn French or Italian really hard but it just doesnt work. German I actually get motivated
I was supposed to learn French being from a French area of Canada, but I also rejected it and chose German instead as my Ni lit up for the language. It's such a logical language which works great for Ti hero!
Apathetic INTP activates its super-ego ISFP (Artist-Adventurer), leading to daydreams and disloyalty, right?
As an INTP, one of the best things about my marriage (other than obvious stuff like y'know, being happy) is how it's hugely expanded the things I want to do and can do. My interests aren't just focused on random BS like "let's spend 3 days learning Japanese then abandon it" or "let's go find all of the symphonic metal bands because I found one band in the genre I liked". I actually have a drive and desire to do things like promote our music careers by posting on social media, do chores (though that's still a very hit or miss one...), research things related to school or jobs or just personal life. There's a lot more "normal person" stuff I want to do now not because it benefits me but because it benefits my partner, and that in turn benefits me. It helps that she's an ESFP and can easily tell when I'm genuinely being productive in my 30 hour binge researching or when I'm just looking at different species of snails when there's schoolwork to get done.
Someone needs to help me choose the right partner then
INTP is crisis mode is bad. It's a near catatonic state from mental lock-up combined with depression. I've had several gf's that decided that was the perfect time for a me-or-you ultimatum break-up. It's hard to recover from that, not just the crisis mode, but the perfectly timed betrayals when an INTP needs someone the most.
Can relate
I'm an INTP, and I'm a senior in high school. for the longest time I had planned on going to college and doing something in teaching (?) but god. I hate school so much. my grades are really good because I still have this underlying desire to please authority (childhood trauma, etc etc) so I'm sure I could get into a good college, but once I'm there, I'll probably hate it. I feel like college is pushed on us, especially now, but it's so expensive and for what? it's not like I'm going to gain skills from there anyways. I know how to teach myself things, but also the future is so large and overwhelming and I have no fucking clue what I want my career to be. this started out as being relevant and now it kind of isn't. anyways. I guess an INTP in survival mode is me, now, feeling intensely burnt out.
I feel the exact same way. Except I am 2 years into a """2 year degree"""" (actually 4 years, those damn liars). I hate college more than anything else. I have failed so many classes that Im close to getting kicked out. All I want to do is get a decent job that I dont hate, and get married. That's all I want in life right now. But in order to get a decent job, so that I can get married (if I ever find a girlfriend), I basically have to have a college degree just to compete! An associates degree is like the new highschool diploma now. It's bullshit!
@@hedgeearthridge6807 the world is not oriented for us to live in it, and it's hard. i hope you find a direction in life that makes you feel happy and fullfilled soon.
@J Sev I second this.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. I dropped out of college my junior year because I felt like I had to take my own path. Like you, I was tricked into believing college was the end all be all. Trying to break free of that mentality is a true effort. It is a very scary idea to acknowledge, but a worthy one. Life isn’t easy, but you’ll be happier as long as you are true to yourself. Have faith in your ability to know what’s best for you.
INTP here - I’ve been where you are as well. My mother threw shoes at me if I didn’t do my homework and put crazy standards for good grades. I was mad at her then, but now I know if it wasn’t for her, I’d have just ended up dropping out of school, or college, or university. Keep going. I wanted to go to med school but didn’t. Ended up getting an undergrad in Biochemistry and molecular biology. I was so depressed during that time, I barely made it through. Then I did odd jobs for a year. Somehow ended up working for a defense contractor as a technical writer. I got into John’s Hopkins MS program for Materials Science and Engineering. After a year I decided that’s not the thing I want and changed to Systems Engineering. After a year, decided that’s not it either but forced myself to finish. I work as a Systems Architect now. I don’t always love it but I still haven’t figured out “what I want to be when I grow up” but I’ve decided I didn’t need to. It doesn’t have to be one thing. Accept that the future is big and uncertain and overwhelming. Let it take you where it must. Good luck, hang in there, and I hope you’re doing well.
This really makes sense. I like solving doubts of other people more than studying. And if there's something about the subject I need to explain to them but I don't know, I will definitely look up everything about the topic in order to do my best to help them understand. But I wouldn't do the same for myself weirdly.
I believe I am an INTP and it is so accurate with my love for games and never forgetting a skill once attained
I’m an INTP and I have to say I’m confused about the comment about us as a group generally “lacking self-respect” at the end. I find myself to be the complete opposite. Sure I’m human and can’t help but feel sh*tty when people try to manipulate/talk down to me, but I definitely do not ever agree or yield to their assertions precisely because of my high level of self-respect.
I agree. We have immense self-respect, which is why we are aware we are intelligent and capable of success. Lacking the ability to express emotions is not the same as lacking self respect
Until you get to the part where you are a doormat
C.S. Joseph ?? Can’t say I’ve ever been there haha. Thanks for the great video as always though.
Panda girl Yeah I guess so, at least in the “spiritual” sense. As much as a pandemic will allow lol. Materially I am still nowhere close to the amount of success I’d like to have, but I work towards it every day with my head held high!
Probably aren't an INTP, bro
Nicely say! I was in survival mode for a whole year because of my work . Only recently I got to thriving mode by exploring new stuff, finding hobby and just giving a helping hand around.
what work?
@@anduro7448 taking language class which I really wan to do is a start. It get back the little self respect. Then it there I start learning personality type, understanding system and model. Lastly, just do what I wan in my work place. Fully be honest with myself. I tell them what I think directly.
Perfect timing for this video. I've been trying to figure out what to do with my life, but this made me realize it'll either have to be storytelling or animation. I've been really indecisive about pursuing it since my parents are pressuring me go to college / it's more practical. But I seriously can't imagine doing anything else with my life. I've been studying and breaking down art fundamentals for a few years already and everything else is just boring to me.
The childlike exploration / experimentation, never forgetting skills, and doing it mostly for the sake of others or a good response was dead accurate lol. I think I can commit to art now, as long as I keep up what I'm doing. Thank you
Can you do this question for INTJs? My survival mode is becoming extremely rebellious and emotional...that's my perspective, just feels completely outta control. Outsider perspective of me will be 'stubborn and angry'. For me, thriving is moving extremely fast past goals, like a checklist, also very satisfying to do.
Just need to vent.. So idk if I'm in survival mode but I'm definitely not thriving. I feel apathy strongly lately tho. I cant seem to keep friends. I hurt people unintentionally because I dont manipulate my words to manipulate their emotions to be positive about what I'm saying. I normally wouldn't have cared, but it sucks when I'm being most true to myself. I am losing hope that I'll meet someone who won't think the worst of me. Trying to convince myself this is a petty need isn't working. But I also feel apathy towards my creative self, I cant focus on art or reading. I'm trying to practice meditation and accepting apathy as my new reality, for the time being anyway.. but I really miss my brain being able to run its processes. (I'm chronically ill and home 24/7, my previous passion was customer service) anyway, no one in my personal life values me in the way I feel I need. Strangers are the only ones who ever have. But then again they got the "best" of me right, the person everyone wants.. a script. Why did scripting at work bring me so much energy but scripting in my personal life almost killed me? I have people who love me, but they dont find me interesting and most dont like it when I talk too much.. why cant I do art without feeling negatively? Why do I feel such pressure from the needs of others? Bleh. How do I make my brain more attentive in the ways that I need it to and others need it to? I feel like I'm in the way of myself..
psychic crocodile . I totally feel ya. I will vent too. I feel like the world is so often set up for me (us?) not to thrive (i.e. fail) in work, school, relationships. I think were I really that bright, I would be able to not only see and recognize the I changes that are required of me to be successful in a given system but also to ACTUALLY apply that knowledge, make said changes, and thrive in any given situation. Sometimes to get to point B it is necessary to blindly jump through the hoops, ride the horse and pony, spit on a cupcake and call it frosting, ignore the white elephant... if that’s what everyone else is doing, the employer desires, or is necessary to pass the final exam tomorrow. More times than not the world will not give me the time to process, understand, and explore in anyway close to what I thirst. I recognize and accept this now. or at least some part of me does. Still, too many times now I envision my impending failure unfold. Despite what feels like honest, whole-hearted attempts I fail to change enough in time. I sometimes feel like I’m in one of those dreams where you’re trying to run but your leg feel like bricks. I cannot. Only it’s my brain, not legs that won’t budge. It fights my better judgment. Then comes the extreme anxiety. Then my vision of failure becomes my reality. Why can’t I be different? Why can’t I do what is asked and nothing more? Why must always ask and wonder why when no one else seems to give a rats *ss? Where is my niche? Why must it be essential that must “turn myself off” to succeed? As an undergrad, I once so thoroughly turned off after being burned that a professor came up to me half through a semester and ask me if I was okay. She said I seemed different that semester... and on the surface I was. Grade-wise, I thrived during that time. Then like you I also became chronically ill. At the time I could sleep, I don’t know, 15 hours a day and still be tired. My anxiety was through the roof. I was kicked out of med school, then nursing school. Fortunately, the disease is at bay and fatigue and anxiety are no longer debilitating. I finally became a nurse with the intention of becoming an nurse practitioner. But it’s taken so long to just get here. It’s hard to bare the thought of more school... so much lost money. Plus despite my progress the struggle still lives. I was fired from a contract position a few weeks ago because “I was not a good fit.” That is, I unknowingly walked into an over-worked workforce that was pissed and about to strike. They did not have time to train me and I asked too many questions (the job was COVID related). Once upon a time at another job a coworker (ENTP) told me that I frustrated her because I asked questions that she knew I knew the answers to. I was like, I do? Upon further thought I think the issue is that I like to be sure of myself before I act. So I might ask a question when I 95 percent know the answer. I think I might have done that one too many times at this job. Given their circumstance, they were more than frustrated by me. I knew this, but this job was frickin COVID related and I was not comfortable being 95 percent sure. By the time I was, they were done. (And they said absolutely nothing to me the whole time I was there. I never met most of them because it was remote work. I just sensed that they were annoyed. The contractor just called and said I was asked not to come back.) so was it just not a good fit? Or did I just need to get out of my own way? It’s funny, they fired me literally just as I had reconciled the dissonance I was experiencing and had situation created a plan that was working for me... but no matter. I did not like the job and got another job the next week. It still eats at me. Why couldn’t I have adjusted faster. Every other person was thrown in just as I was. People say, “I’m not smarter than you,” yet they succeed and I fail. I’m kind of done with the idea of smart, at least in the lay context. If smart is the ability to evolve as needed in any given, especially social situation, I am so dumb. And in the this world that’s what matters. Yeah?
@@junior10199 yes I understand you completely. I've had basically the exact same life experience. When I thrive, people are amazed by me, but if I'm still trying to get to the point where I can thrive (which to other people is apparently wayy too long every boss I've had has told me I'm too slow, even the ones who loved me), I'm a problem. My personal life is always a struggle, I dont think I'll ever thrive in it, but that would be ok if I could just find my one thing to thrive in. (Like how can people just do things with no learning, passion or technique behind it?!) Yeah, this society is definitely not built for us..
Imma rant too, since we rantin'. Society is 100% not built for us at all(in a way it makes sense that society would function in a way that the majority of people would function. Just sucks that we are left behind ) I don't understand how people just accept life and do things they aren't passionate about. I've tried but I can't. All I've ever wanted was to find a niche. Right now college is in the way but hopefully after I can explore more and find what I truly enjoy. College has been hell and I'm even in a data science degree and you'd think that would make an INTP happy haha. Just using Fe to get by. I wish I could just be myself but I don't want to be an outcast and I care about what people think lmao. Most of the time it annoys people when I ask too many questions but genuinely I'm just trying to understand things. Normally quip in when I can but normally I'm the silent observer or I wear my mask and act 'normal'. It's just draining. I have always felt so alien to the majority. It makes me feel defected, like I shouldn't be here. I don't get why we do what we do or why people act the way they act and I know that's so broad but I'm so confused by the world. Why can't I just function like everyone else? Why can't I at least mimic the people I see around me? I try but my mind gets in the way, ALWAYS. Constant thinking. Wish I could just switch it off. I've started meditation mainly for my mental health but it's somewhat helpful. Idk if any of this made sense but just know I get you guys.
9:12 - one of the great points I took away from this fantastic video.
I recently quit a 1099 business relationship, which probably was a year too late. I see from your video how they were responsible but also where I could have communicated better.
You're doing a wonderful thing here and you're helping many people. I realize that I need to get back to helping people big time.
Thank you sir!!!
Thanks for highlighting the importance of helping people. I didn’t realize my career has this aspect. It only didn’t work when I didn’t feel appreciated in particular jobs. I am now looking into a new path in even more people focused jobs. I can so relate to the people helping aspect. This is such a confidence booster to help me get out of my survival mode!
Very good video. I define a good video as one where for every idea you present it spurs 2 more questions I ask myself. I am an INTP in my early 50's. I have a ho hum job that meets my needs and gives me 4 days off a week. I've been divorced for a year after 18 years with a narcisistic ex and I have no stresses in my life outside of the fact that masks irritate my sinuses and I feel like I'm drowning at work. Where my survival mode is triggered is when I think of being wrapped up in my casual hobbies and easy lifestyle and think I could wake up 10 years from now and feel truly alone, so it pulls me into the dating world where as you said before about NPs, our efforts at pursuit can be cringe. Its hard to find someone interesting, but when I do, like most interests, that when my curiosity is peeked, I overanalyze and pursue screwing it up. Of course, that pursuit is stressful enough that rather than be bummed when it doesn't work we can embrace the now tranquil life of peace again until we feel the twinge in our Fe again.
Wow this is really my boyfriend to a T. Thank you for helping me understand him better. He’s currently on hiatus from college and taking a semester off because of how hard of a time he had motivating himself and wasn’t getting any work done because he wasn’t passionate about it and felt obligated to go. He’s not sure what he’s passionate about and if he could he would play Overwatch professionally in e-sports. Getting him to want to do anything like getting him to think about a career, getting him to dress better and not in Star Wars T-shirts, or asking him to do anything on a to-do list feels next to impossible. Im an INFP (no we’re not mistyped just very incompatible) so I definitely enable him often as I also have a hard time motivating myself and get stuck in my own comfort zones. I still love him very much so I’ll definitely be taking your advice on exploration and try to get him to try some things thank you!
Ask him this: "Would you like to have a final 40 years of life in a retirement where you struggle for money every day? How much ambition do you need in life to accumulate the wealth you'd would like then?"
This has helped me more than anything else to understand myself, and even have more support from this than my mother (since I now how to support myself and know what people(exactly) to keep around, I’m going to test it anyway, but it seems 100% legit like everything you said about the system
Dude ty Chase you literally nailed it. I can't tell you how many people I cut out of my life (family spouses freinds) for taking advantage of how much I cared and sacrificed nonstop. I became super apathetic and disloyal after a while. Much happier without those people in my life. Working on introducing new people I can be loyal to but trying not to be loyal to a fault anymore. All the times I've thrived was helping others or answering a call to duty. Ty for quantifying this for me and fellow INTP chase. Respect.
So, what would you recommend to an INTP instead of college (even Elon Musk has two bachelor degrees)? They generally don't perform well in sensory type of jobs, which are the most likely to be the highest paying for people without a college degree, and it's hard to move up in companies without one.
Another great INTP video!
My bf is INTP-T. I am INTJ-A. I have made it my New Years 2020 resolution to built up my INTP bf. He has pretty much given up on most things. He has improved on how he responds to my compliments. He says thank you now instead of resisting my compliments. He has even said that nobody has ever told him some of the compliments I’ve told him. He has many wonderful qualities but he is just surviving. At this point I don’t see him being proactive about much of anything in the near future. I tell and show him my gratitude frequently. I know his potential and the amazing person he is and more potential on who he can become. I’ve known him 21 years and have waited a long time for both of us to be mature enough for each other. Although I’d argue I’m more mature than him lol. What more can I do to soften him and make him more open to me?
Persuade / pressure them to do something together with you or for you, give appreciation for their action (focus on it's practical usefulness and how that make you happy), then ask what they think about it, then ask what they feel about it, ( ask what the impact of their action to their surrounding, what others gonna think then feel about if they see it, to tickle their Ne parent and Fe)
"What more can I do to soften him and make him more open to me?" For me personally, seeing someone doing something kinda "Feely" for me makes it harder for me to open up to them, I have to see it in them rather than them trying to show it to me, get it? Don't try to show us the emotion, let us see it in you naturally otherwise we may become more closed off...
@@sonnyboylngyeah same (intp) seeing someone actively trying to impact us and assert their presence makes it worse apparently. It all gotta start from inside ourselves
Make him realize that you should be his life purpose! The way you gonna do that is, make him do task for you. Tell him you need his help desperately and without him no one else can figure out these stuff for you. He is the only one who can do it. Even though you knew how to do it all along. But that's just for him to realize you can not survive without him.
Thank you, I really appreaciate every advice you give.
Yess, may be the first
Thanks for quality content as always, Chase!
great video, would love to hear more about how INTPs show up in the world and apply their functional stack in pursuits other than video games and engineering. most of the ones i've known have been food/travel writers and photographers, restless hungry sorts motivated to be out in the world mining it for source material.
separate money work from passionate art work. though that may seem illogical, as it would be ideal for them to converge, one will eventually run into the limits of capitalism.
the short-lived money jobs: gigs (travel writing ‘n photography) can keep one busy, active, gain experience.... but i found later in life, anything that makes one comfortable, i think, is better. Delivery, cleaning a park, something city-neighborly, something that gets us out and about. Passion and money will eventually clash with idealism.
Yeah .. went to college ... was completely enamored by certain subjects and others it was like putting a gun to my head .. just utter lack of interest. While working 6 mathematicians with PhDs and MS degrees couldn't figure out some calculations for 4 years. I came in as a consultant and figured it out in 8 months because the problem fascinated me. I had to read some books on rocket science, did a refresher on matrix algebra, read some AI books ... and a solution popped into my head. I could not stop thinking about it.
This is EXACTLY WHAT INTP IS and makes complete true sense from as early as our memories can take us back to. Being intp is the most precious gift but we need other intp to survive 💐😘👍
I so want about 5 people to watch this and all your other INTP videos. My bosses don't understand when I tell them how underappreciated I feel when I save them and they can't even be bothered to say thank you. Your videos have helped me a lot to undeestand myself.
Even if they do, you should leave inmediately. Their lack of regards towards you is a clue of something darker inside them.
How about learn assertiveness and the ability to prove your value to people, objectively, then?
I'm an INTP that recently had my whole plan and purpose flipped upside down, and now I'm incredibly apathetic. How does one find meaning and purpose?
Reject modernity
Experiment on new things (hobbies, carrier paths, etc) until you find something that kindles that spark again. Or go back to old hobbies and see if you can find new angles to work on them. Whatever you do, try it for a few weeks before you go to the next thing (though I know you'll probably be trying a few different things at a time...). It's not a sure and quick process, but it's the best one I know. And don't push yourself to find your new life purpose right away. Try finding "this year's purpose" first, anything that can give you joy for a short period of time. If you grow tired of it eventually, don't feel bad on dropping it, it's part of the process. Eventually you'll find something more definite.
not to promote religion here, its a very unrelated video but if u got to a point where u're very desperate, check out Islam. i cant seem to find any meaning, purpose or the "why" to our very existence that makes sense except for islam. just tryna help ,pls nobody @ me
Reject tradition. INTP's aren't designed to be cogs, and we're bad at trying to fit in as something we are not.
Become a father
Thanks, good explanation - you start by helping others and gradually you find something that you really enjoy and are willing to invest the rest of your life in. I did not know that that was the avenue which it was done. Also in your employment relationships to make sure you're not being taken advantage of. In the job I'm in I'm pretty much in survival mode, not doing what I want, but there is some appreciation.
Got really upset with my boss yesterday because I was trying to explain something that could make the situation better, but nobody wanted to hear. I was borderline being angry and so he sent me to do something else. At least later told him what I was thinking about via text, that I thought they weren't listening to me for no reason. He is clearly ISTJ, so very traditional, by the book, follow the leader, follow the rules. I understand you have to have a leader and accept that, and his type is valuable just like mine is, but at least I told him how I felt. Listening to my idea was no threat to the authority of the person that was there (head of custodians for our school district) and could have made the situation better, but no one wanted to explore what I said. A good leader should welcome new ideas, as long as they're not offered in a tone of rebellion. (I'm a custodian and we have to arrange the rooms sparsely in preparation for students coming back in a couple months. My boss is asst. principal at my school.)
Thanks. I still don't understand the 16 parts of each personality but I just need to study that a little bit.
4:37 definitely thought you were going towards, "RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS!" 🤣
My last conversation with my boss.
M: "I feel like y'all try to fit people in a mold, for example, the way people talk. Instead of just letting people sound like they don't have everything perfectly together y'all reward those that sound perfect."
B: "That sound an awful lot like you're struggling with a fixed mindset"
M: "No, I never said, I, or anyone else doesn't have to grow. I'll grow because I want to, not because you tell me I need to. What I don't like is that people have to fit this mold in order to be considered success or looked at for promotion. That's not me, it's not a lot of other people but we're still getting or jobs done really well and don't need to be perfect to do so. In fact, I'll get it done better but might not be able to articulate it quite as well as another person."
B: "I get what you're saying but that's just business as you move up."
M: "well, if we're claiming to be inclusive that really should change"
The purpose of being inclusive for a business is to have long term gains that outweigh the cost of the effort to be inclusive.
If the actions at hand don't seem from the boss's perspective to be worth the minimal amount of inclusivity for the business for just one employee in one particular narrow regard it's very unlikely that a boss will love the idea.
I have similar conversations with my boss but in my head.
@@FindingYourSerenity haha! Get bold and just do it! Or not it's gotten me in trouble lol
@@melissamouton9464 Haha I think it would really shock them! Maybe there's a watered down version I could try. My manager definitely doesn't like to be challenged but it sounds fun :D
@@FindingYourSerenity lol yeah, probably a watered down one. My last 2 bosses haven't minded being challenged....in a respectful way and not necessarily aimed at them. One was an ENTJ and this one is INTP
Why would a INTP make a good match for a ENTj if they don’t allow themselves to want anything and if entjs have fi inferior? In theory it seems entjs would be more romantically attracted to INFPs or ESFJs to give them a good experience of what they want. It also seems like a INTPs apathetic nature would be a turn off to a ENTj and it also seems like they wouldn’t be empathetic to INTP depression.
ENTJs are sapiosexuals, so that's why they would like INTPs. They are probably one of the few types that can keep up with them intellectually. I've noticed they also tend to like our sense of humor. The ENTJs I know are actually pretty goofy, but it takes certain situations and people to bring it out in them and we do that. A relationship would definitely require a ton of communication and effort to work, but I think it could if the desire is there.
It's based on "natural" social engineering. Te feeds Ti (and vice versa) Ne feeds Ni, Se feeds Si and finally Fe feeds Fi (INTP.....TiNeSiFe) (ENTJ......TeNiSeFi).
It happens "naturally" because each person is the shadow of the other and thus you don't have to leave your own quadra (If they or their shadow is in a different quadra) to social engineer....you stay IN EGO and just be yourself! It's natural and there is less of a likelihood for a breakdown later because your tendencies from the start will be more in line with your ego than having to put you in their shadow.
"In theory it seems....."
INTP's can give GREAT "ROMANTIC" experiences and NTP's are very sexual beings.......INTP's can become masters of anything....including the bedroom!
"It also seems like a INTPs apathetic nature......"
Remember, Te feeds Ti. Input, output, input output. there is a lot of stimulation going on there. The ENTJ would give the INTP a lot to NOT be apathetic about. The ENTJ would Te the INTP who would Ti and then feed ENTJ's Ni through Ne.
".....seems like they wouldn't be empathetic to INTP depression".
I think there wouldn't be as much depression in this relationship if both types are mature. Each would constantly feed the other.
ENTJ's would probably be drawn to the mellow INTP and the INTP would definitely be drawn to the charisma of the ENTJ......
--INTP
Jason Ring yes it sounds well but if we really do line up perfectly it sounds like it has the potential to be a very toxic match . Because then it seems like we are completing each other instead of coming together as 2 wholes, if that makes sense. A door mat INTP loyal to ENTj who’s 1st goal is money and 2nd goal is sleeping with as many woman as possible. It’s really hard for me to imagine because I’ve never seen a real healthy relationship
@@Goldforever-vp8zq I don't think ENTJs tend to be players. They are very specific with what they want, and will go after that. Every single ENTJ dude I know (like 3-4) is either seeing no one or is in a serious relationship. They don't really casually date. ENTPs are the players. I dated one and he's slept with more people than any other person I've ever met.
What you'll be competing with with an ENTJ is being seen as the smartest and funniest person in the room. They're attention seekers and get annoyed when they're not the center of it.
This helped me feel ready to tackle my projects. I’m also happy to know that I was right all along; Skool suks
The only ways I've been interacting with others is through self depreciating humor or the "cool story bro" replies. Just recently I said to a working contractor in my work area, "Hey man...You got the Easy Job!" He put down his wiring cables, and started talking about the long day, weather, sports, politics, and where to pickup women.
What about ENTJs, Striving vs Survival mode?
In therapy and got stuck watching a family members kids that was very ungrateful and prideful she came out isfj on test and my ENFP therapist (fun fact I guessed her mbti on the first try) told me to figure out what I want to do if I had all the money and freedom in the world and I tried to think but just thought I really don’t know because I try to be so flexible I don’t even know what my identity is. I think my esfj mother tries to give me everything so I don’t leave. I only feel alive with all the things that are not good for me and that’s not healthy living either. -INTP female
Dark chocolate almond bars makes survival mode a little more enjoyable 😋 sweet obcession
Thanks Chase. Love your insights. t. INTP
I really want this answered:
What are some career paths that are best suited for INTJs?
(Initially I thought software engineer, but I'm starting to think that's more for xNTP types)
, I have actually learnt the most when I was helping others
thank you and very true
Great vid!
C.S. Joseph struggling 21 year old male istp here. I wake up in the middle of the night and feel really nostalgic and almost sad. I have a narcissistic estp dad. I want to move out and have the means to do so but I have a 10 year old enfp sister and were really close. I'm probably going to move out anyways any suggestions? edit: I've been watching your channel for a long time and you have helped me understand other people a lot better thanks.
Read The Rational Male books
@@CSJoseph will do
What about an INTP in creative mode?
lol
Isn't this just thriving mode?
I love seeing my INTP in thriving/creative mode. He loves working in the woodshop he set up in the garage and he gets so happy that he comes in whistling, taking pictures of his work for Facebook, it's amazing to see him like that.
By the way this is a Minecraft reference
@@RoccoArgubright gah! I love it!
In previous videos you mentioned that intps are at risk of living in their parents basement and just playing video games and getting stuck like that. You said that it's best to guilt them or force them into changing themselves to do better. How do we do this and at the same time not push them into survival mode, or is it OK to force them into survival mode to break the cycle of laziness they can fall into? My son is an intp teenager, please help.
Sometimes they have to be forced into survival mode
@@CSJoseph OK cool. Thanks
If only I had this kind of information available to me when I was younger. What's the old saying? "Too soon, old. Too late, smart".
Could you do one on unhealthy/toxic INTJs vs. heathy INTJs.
Every time i think i’m thriving, it turns out i’m just surviving :(
Agreed. I’d like to improve!
So according to you Elon Musk is as intp? Everyone typed him as INTJ, but that never really made sense to me, because I relate to him alot.
As an intp, i do felt like has no passion in everything except video games. Yeah, i could relate to this a lot. I always need logical stimulation, but it seems not many people respect my analysis. Yeah, then i felt so miserable. Yeah, i still have to do business that meaningless to me. Idk. It always meaningless if i do this for my own interest, but somehow i envy infp Fi contentment, so i try to dig in into personal interest even more. Yes, in fact, it's heavy task to spot what my interest is. Actually, spoting the interest is the hardest part.
Please help! I know this one is for Intps but maybe it will get answered. I'm an Istj (Istp friend typed me with the type grid) and seem to always be on the receiving end of Enfjs WANTING me too much! Whenever I've said no to them it's created dangerous situations I never want to repeat. I'm naturally fake and sweet or extremely blunt and now I have another Enfj at me. HOW DO YOU TELL ENFJ NO WITHOUT TRIGGERING CRUELTY???
Enfj here. Unsure without more context, but taking a stab. So what "triggers" us can include human cost, feeling stupid/not being respected, being rejected, loss of freedom, not being free to express or be heard, not maintaining a harmonious whole to our value system. Essentially, what gets to us is the value we hold and provide to others not being a corporate effort for all involved to be mutual in some way for the good of all, though we would prefer the mutuality be natural, to the person's skills, gifts, desires, and personal choice to do what is right, not exacting and forced.
We also rely heavily on consistent thinkers who can critically think outside the box and take decisive action, because without such people, our goal to bring what is best for the good of all involved will fail, since we often struggle to bring those qualities to the table as effortlessly as your and similar types.
Oddly, though painfully sensitive, we prefer the bold truth, although "bold" for any person often still means in the language they speak.
The "No" you give will make sense to an ENFJ if you speak of words of "Feel" and "value" and "others." If you run whatever your situation through these "trigger" filters above, the ENFJS you are encountering may have considered you indispensable for their personal and/or group goals and took offense that your withdrawal of support was personal. This is because all of life IS personal viewed from our charge to influence and oversee the trajectory of group dynamics towards what we believe is true and helpful and beneficial for others, literally attempting to keep all people in our sphere of influence joyful, satisfied, productive, holy, and free.
If we knew we were hurting you, and you felt suffocated by us, we would want to do what we could to change it. Unless of course, we feel in that circumstance you are the one who needs to bend for other's sake. But we would still back off the cruelty and try to find a win win if you explained what you are going through such as feeling suffocated, loss of personal time to yourself to recover from being smothered, taking you for granted since you seem to like helping dutifully, for example. Hope this helps in some way to facilitate the peace you are seeking from our kind...lol!
"Because they dont forget anything" well thats silly lmao
As an intp I'm 32 and there is two things you can do #1 best thing for an intp is trucking 🚚 get your danm CDL license.
And make tone more money than burger King job.
Secondly, from trucking money invest in realestate! You will thank me later.
You can buy one house in low budget and you are smart enough to repair it little bit make it livable and then buy another house repair it and then rent them out!
This is your pathway to become financial free and lead worry free life.
And while you driving truck just focus on fucking road. Don't go on day dreamin exploring ideas in your mind. 😂 it's dangerous for others.
4:52
Wow you edited a video thats weird .
Actually that video was accurate iam an intp which is addicted to League of legends but i like other things too "tnx god", I'm programmer and designer
I have questions :
the main issue for me is wanting to learn a lot of things together i like web design and web developmentand i also like pentesting and i also like AI also designing also psychology and philosophy and i like learning new languages and i cant go to class because i never learn in class so i dont know what to do i want them all and i am going to learn them by myself like other things i thought myself but i dont know how to get disciplined to learn them one by one any advice ?
Ok i watched the video completely and yeah i learn better and enjoy my life when i want help the others but i dont know how to learn this much things i cant focus in one
I get it. I'm very much the same and wish I could learn from 3 different streams to the depth I can with 1. But then I'd complain I can't do 5 at once. Anyway, my advice to you (coming from a midlife man who recently got his life zeroed out by the divorce machine) is pursue something that you lose track of time with. It's cool how that path will present many rabbit trails, endless I'd say. But do something, (almost) anything. And Chase is right about doing things for the betterment of others. I have found that to be true in my life. Also, you have to take care of yourself first before you can take care of others. But I'm sure you already knew that. I used to live and breathe GW2 and it quickly became vanity at the start of my life reset. I haven't played it in over 2 years. Compared to my interests that are valuable to others, I simply don't have room in my life for it. Look, our minds are pretty awesome. And if we choose to, our athleticism and social game can be pretty decent too.
In short, do something productive until you find whatever it is that you lose track of time in. Then do that. If it doesn't make money, find a way to monetize it.
I know for me, I found out I don't like following procedures. Lol... I much prefer creating the procedure. Because that's problem solving and being creative; seeing the system, seeing meta, and connecting dots when dots are missing. Leaving or delegating the menotonous and tedious to others or even recognizing the expertise of someone and let them do their thing so I can do a different thing; all towards the same goal.
I might be a bit rambling at this point so I'll stop there. Hope you find this valuable.
@@romscar77 thank you so much for spending time and writing this comment
I appreciate it so much thank you i learnt from it
Fuck my life, I'm in survival mode all of this time 🙂
Russell Wilson is looking good.
Broke my phone I clicked so fast.daym.
I'm wondering who elon musk was helping through his Fe in order to get all this skills !!!!
Aye me too
Chases videos put me in thrival mode
The way you read people's comments kills me 😂
Oh?
@@CSJoseph so much snark so I think you're going to disagree but then you agree 😆
Thank you so very much.
I relate to this so much. I am studying Physics, but I want to write novels. I can't manage to get myself out of this situation I put myself in, specially considering my parent's pressure (ESFJ dad, ISFP mom) for me to go to university and study something useful. My self-agrandizing need to know Physics is beating my need to let go of false pretenses and ego and just write and read whatever I please without having to get a degree on it. Throw in a nice mundane side-job too.
Anyway, whatever happens, I want to know how can an INTP stand up to more domineering personalities (i.e ESFJ).
That is exactly how I feel. I'm a senior and I want to do something useful. I want to love Calculus that way Physics could be a choice. I love reading and writing fantasy and want to attempt writing novels. I just want a job that makes me feel like myself.
9:31 this is critical information, I have finally found the scale of interaction
but what does it mean to not have self respect and how to gain self Respect if we lack it ??
As an INTP we don't care about credentials or Acclamations they are loyal to their friends and family Ti Ne will help them get out of the ruts they go through with strong Fe they get out there and connect with people they are not door mats that's inconsistent with this type I think you need make sure when you research about a type that the info is consistent with their principals and the rest of their personality
They are
Literally was just thinking to myself that I was tired of being a doormat
Is it typical of an INTP to watch your videos at 1.5 - 2.0x speed?
Time is gold
It's dopamine addiction... That's also ironically what makes you useless for deep work.
Chase I've heard some NTJs saying they like INTPs as friends & not romantic interest.
Although you say the're our golden & silver pairs so romantic & sexual compatibility should be higher.
My personal experience also proves your point.
Of course it depends on both people but I want to know what's lacking in those relationships? My inferior-Fe is confused by this lack of appreciation!
What’s lacking is the mature masculine or the mature feminine, see season 13 playlist
5:30 "…healthfully responding to INTP helping them" : Who? Where? When? How?
I've spent over four decades on this planet looking for people like that. At best, they don't give a shit. Most of the time they see knowledge building as a nuisance.
If you know who people who actually care more about knowledge building than social warfare, could you please point me in their direction or introduce me to them?
I know an INTP (my friend's brother) who is in his 30s and is long term unemployed despite having a degree and still lives at home with his ISTJ mother and ISTP father. He's a great guy with a lot of potential. I feel like his family are trying to help him but it's not really working. I think they are unintentionally enabling him to an extent
May I know what happened to that guy right now? Your story explain my life :(
When INTP in that situation you need to literally direct his life with an iron fist, tell what he should do, what he shouldn't do, counter their excuses (si child) with practical usefulness so its activate their Ne parent to discipline their Si child, while at the same time show appreciation when they listen to you to make them feel fulfilled for what they do (Fe function)
INTP is afraid to start, especially in the area that he doesn't know / never experience, but once they do it, they will quickly adapt and learn, and if you show appreciation at what they are doing, they will keep doing it, they need to be pushed and appreciated more than others
@@yuyanaka5991That won't help you, neither determines you.
Unless you stop waiting to "feel like it", you'll "suddenly" find yourself 45 y.o. having done nothing.
A life of wishful thinking, dissociation, schizoid fantasy (fantasizing) and other defense mechanisms, projects "To Do" that never were done... you'll be crushed, wondering "what happened with my one life".😢
I've seen it happen with a few people... it's a tragedy. They just disappear from others' lives - in shame. Self-isolation - which, of course, makes it even worse for them.
That's THE greatest threat for an INTP: becoming a hermit.
Exploring is awesome 😍😍😍
Today C.S. Joseph told me to quit my job. I'm'a throw a quit party! But first I might make a masked lab tech video detailing how horrible the job is. When they pay us a ton of money for interesting work and they still can't keep any newly-hired techs around for more than a few weeks, you know something's amiss.
Serious question, in what way is it terrible? Like, terrible work hours & not being appreciated for your work?
@@kurodesuuuu Well, there are several reasons I hate it at the hospital. 1) There's no appreciation at all; half the rest of the staff doesn't know we exist and the other half think we're all phlebotomists. One of my friends had a doctor tell her very rudely that she was wrong about the sample he sent being incompatible with the testing procedure he'd requested, and that she just had to "put it in your machine, push the button, and get me my results." Dude, we're sciencing down here. Your sample is NO GOOD. Because SCIENCE. 2) A large part of what we do is catching and correcting other people's errors, so a lot of the calls we have to make have the uncomfortable result of having people snap at us because we're always telling them they've done something wrong and they need to correct it or do it again. 3) Every time the higher-ups decide they need to save more money, they strip something from the lab "because it's expensive, and you don't need it." If we're lucky, they replace it with the cheapest thing they can find, which we end up constantly repairing because it's constantly "having issues." 4) Because they don't know how overworked we are already, they keep piling more work on us, asking the lab to take on additional responsibilities that WE HAVE NO TIME FOR. There are no more seconds to carve out of our days. We're even told when we're hired, "You get one half-hour lunch break and two ten-minute breaks. The ten-minute breaks are metaphorical." If we choose to take the short breaks, we can, but no one will be available to cover our area and when we get back, we'll be that many minutes behind and we'll never catch up. So we just don't take them. 5) We don't have a voice. When you're looking at the number of people employed by the hospital, there are so few lab techs comparatively that the hospital-wide "job satisfaction" surveys are a joke to us. We can scream all we want, but with thousands of nurses and doctors and receptionists and everyone else against a mere handful of us, that scream is just a squeak like a mouse being stepped on. Which is kinda what we are. We have no union and our accrediting agency, which is supposed to look out for us, focuses all its attention on representing the pathologists and does f*ck-all for us. 6) We have no time to mop our own floors and Environmental Services doesn't come down to our little corner of the basement very often, so every time we drop a tube of serum and it splatters and we miss some in the clean-up, that's there to stay until somebody spots it. Which is hard because it's nearly invisible on surfaces. That sh*t could have hepatitis in it, or HIV, and people don't see it, step in it, and track it all over the floor. OSHA would flip their lids if they ever came to visit. 7) All our decisions are made by bean-counters who have never worked in a lab, have never even BEEN to the lab and have no idea what we need in order to do what we do. We can't even get approval to add a sixth person to our second-shift roster to help us with the workload.
Thriving INTP creates DeFi Tokens on Ethereum and becomes somewhat wealthy
With Uniswap Liquidity + Exchange listings
Richart Heart could be Intp. Scamer
much of this is true of me: dismissal of Western school systems (who ever did anything with 12 years of math??), passion, art, empiricism, pragmatism. Passion is found in real experiences. Schools and offices are terrible simulations of the real world, or worse, isolation from the real world. Just a little traveling is all that is needed to get the intp (and maybe entp too) back to the big picture of things.
side note: do not be a travel partner with the entp though, it’s too fast, wayyy tooo fast. Go at one’s own pace. :)
the need to help others is true too, inferior F stuff for sure.. it really motivates everything that we do, but unfortunately we have to care through Ti-Ne?? This is awful. Writing a philosophy of care? Making an app that makes people care and learn to empathize with each other? It’s so far from direct care. 😥 Maybe some kind of herbal medicine master?
i needed this. intp in survival mode here.
Needed this.
hi. i'm an intp but i forgot almost anything compared to my fellow entj. how is that?
it's like i forgot everything i consider boring or not useful and then it turns out i was wrong and i deliberately forgot something that could be useful to me.
Use your Te by planning how the world can get you offguard
8:34 You forgot the most important one (imo) - Neuralink :)
Please put your stuff on podcast because it can be listened to anywhere
It is
@@CSJoseph what is it called cause I searched for it on podcast republic
@@CSJoseph ok I found it.
👍
Kimiko is on tbe thumbnail of the video.
What's that music at the end? Sounds really cool
How do you pick your thumbnails for your videos? They are so random
Visual typing
You misunderstand. The INTP in 'survival mode' described in that post is literally nonfunctional. Depression, anxiety, agoraphobia. There aren't "in a job they hate" because they probably don't even have a job.
Been there for 5 years, and even when my doctor changed my benefit status I didn't think I was "ready" to recover, but I was forced to do EI workshops to keep my benefits, and I did recover because in the process I found something I was passionate about and achievable, and that (combined with a bit of therapy) helped me pull out.
Oh this will be good
Examples of famous INTP-personalities, passionate about psychology, include: Carl Jung and Jordan Peterson.
Peterson is ENTP
@@matilda4406 i am confused some saying paterson infj intp entp who is he. I like his lectures
@@aishaadam7473 yeah, one of those
@Carys Parks yeah, i would agree, entp. The other two possibilities infj or even enfp. The difference between entp and infj would be in how he listens and how much he listens
I like that middle picture in the background. What's the name/artist of that/ where did you get that?
Because I can't join the Facebook group for some reason I'll just keep posting it here until I get someone to help me out. So here I go again :D.
It came to my attention that in order to justify the use of features like pragmatic, systematic, interest, etc, you need to be able to explain why these features belong to their respective types. In the case of abstract vs concrete it is easy to explain - one is related to high intuitive functions and the other to high sensing functions (which basically shows that the dichotomies are still there, only more complex). But how would one explain this for, say, pragmatic vs interest? Why can we classify certain types as pragmatic and why as interest? What functions determine this? I mean, you can’t treat them as separate determining factors because than you’re left with a logically inconsistent system where you can add and remove things at random. Is there someone who can shed some light on this? Or does Chase explain this in his videos (I can't remember).
C'mon INTP's, help me out!
Hey Chase, I’ve heard you mention Kevin D Mitnick a number of times in your videos. Is there a specific order you would recommend to get into the books? Some are a bit old so not sure if chronological is the best approach. In any case, appreciate the info and thanks for creating genuinely insightful videos!
Art of deception first
since for introverts the percieving and judging letter means the opposite of what it is, does that mean mbti will likely label for example an INTP as INTJ or INTJ as INTP
Chase reading long texts out loud sounds just like my ENTP stepdad,
It’s kinda distracting😆
Nope, not a flow state at all. It's more like a feverish frenzy to put all the ideas out there.
Good lord! Elon is an ENTJ. My boyfriend is an INTP who works at Space X. My boyfriend has literally called Elon a bulldozer. Hello! That is what everyone calls ENTJs 😂 we don’t mean to do that but once we have clarity on HOW we want to achieve something, a sense of urgency propels us to complete it as soon as possible which makes us LOOK like bulldozers. We want it done immediately and we want people to do exactly what we tell them to do. Which is off putting to most people except INTPs who need and want direction but they in turn are credited for simplifying the process as much as possible. It’s a win/win scenario.
Please don’t tell INTPs that a thriving INTP should look like ELON. It’s going to make them feel like losers. Healthy INTPs look like my boyfriend who are a very important part of the mission. He builds components of the project. Btw, my boyfriend is brilliant and educated. Aside from his family and me, no one knows he has a PhD. He loves what he does and indeed forgets to eat 😂
P.S. Elon recently tweeted that he does not pick a fight but when one occurs he intends to win (this is not verbatim). This statement is quintessential ENTJ. INTPs hate the idea of being goaded to fight anyone. They are the masters of self control.
Your description of the cognitive attitudes, to me, seem accurate. It’s forces me to pay extra attention to what people say and their cadence. It’s uncanny how similar people’s general personalities are. However, their individuality makes them unique. It’s like no two flowers are a like.
Thankyou!
why he playing league on a controller tho?
I have skill
Thanks for your contributions Mr. Joseph. Mr. AJ Drenth says that we should not jump the stack to develop our inferior Fe and that we should use our Ti-Ne duo the most and Fe will take care of itself, and my understanding is that helping others is using Fe. So can helping others mean jumping the stack and therefore doing it wrong?
helping others is never wrong.
just don’t let Fe drive your entire life, wherein, you want to become mother Taresa, because that seems right, but is impossible, because we are intp’s, and instead, make the mother Taresa social app. :p
social engineering by who? kevin b what? edit: Kevin Mitnick okay
INTPs must watch 09:46
am i the only one who noticed someone is playing league of legends with a controler?
You had to know showing mouse and keyboard gameplay while playing on a controller would get a comment out of some INTPs and god dammit it worked.