How do INTJs (The Ranger) compare to INTPs (The Ardent)? | INTJ vs INTP | CS Joseph
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- How do INTJs (The Ranger) compare to INTPs (The Ardent)? CS Joseph discusses INTJ vs INTP.
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INTPs are aware of all the social norms. And we think they are all stupid
As a INTJ I think most of it is stupid as well, but I play along... like having to visit family, even tho I prefer them leaving me alone as it's mostly waste of time.
You just read my entire life with that statement
I think that depends on the INTP's maturity level and amount of socialization. I didn't really understand small talk and being friendly on a superficial level until it was necessary for my job in my early 20s.
@@katiemcmillin6467 Man I didn't learn that I had to actually talk to my boss and coworkers until I was 25 years old, after I had been working with the same people for 5 years in a row.
We do.
I’m an INTP and my brother is INTJ. We will cure cancer.
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@@cloudthief8918 death is not a diseases but
@@captainstark5496 It might as well be
@@cloudthief8918 Why would you want to not die? That would be the biggest torture ever
This happened quite a while ago, I am an INTP and my cousin is an INTJ for reference, we happened to also be work colleagues. After an overnight shift where we worked, we decided to go to taco bell with two of our coworkers. After we had eaten, we started looking through MBTI comparison memes on tumbler. We stumbled across a notebook comparison photograph of an INTP and an INTJ. The INTP's was what you would expect it to be, a jumbled mess written in a way that the INTP could understand. The INTJ notebook looked uniform and sectioned incredibly neatly. My cousin decided to examine this photograph of the INTJ notebook to see what the notes were about. The following conversation ensued.
INTJ: "I can't even read this, this has to be Calculus."
INTP: "Hold on, let me see that."
INTP: "It's in Russian."
Our ENFJ/INFP coworkers just started laughing.
To be fair, it was a notebook written in Russian about Calculus. We were both right.
lol, nice comment.
If I were looking at math and Russian, I would have said Russian too lol. I think it's because INTPs automatically assume everyone should know math symbology (it's a universal language/a given).
That was very funny... because it's true. That's the process. :-)
My notes are outwardly messy because I use journalist's shorthand, which looks like Arabic. Maximum efficiency. I follow strict spatial structures in my notes, though (outline style, usually) -INTJ
"INTPs have no clue what they want" Relatable much
That is easy! All it takes is taking into account what you KNOW you DON'T WANT, everything else, you MAY want. Try them out!
I know vaguely, it’s preferable to me, I will recognize it when I get there
Its not that they don't know it's more so they don't allow themselves to want the wrong thing.
@@sombraarthur kind of like the fact that the missile knows where it is at all times because it knows where it isnt
@@Dave0439 kinda like that, yes.
Watching your videos is way more interesting than actually socialising. -INTP
Typical intp. Trying to improve Fe and ending up only working on ti. Because thinking is our thing. Action is not.
How to fix this as an INTP ?!
@@jellyfishi_ ok thanks 😊
@@popkhorne5372 oh god, i can see myself falling into this category rn.
It's way more fun
INTP
I've noticed that everytime you talk about INTP's, (being one myself) i feel like you're buttering us up with the ways you describe our mastery of logic. And i like it.
it happens
There was this one INTJ that was trying to convince everybody in our community that I'm TiSe. I just don't feel that my Se is up to par for that typing. Anyway, to convince us he was right, he was pointing to his superior credentials and years of experience, etc. I asked him if I was Ti dominant, wouldn't my logic be superior to his? One comment, and I was banned, unfriended and blocked. He also refused to attend a conference that he heard I might be at. What's the point of getting butthurt over a simple question?
@@LadyIarConnacht if you are Ti dominant, no it doesnt mean your logic is superior to anyone's. It's just YOUR strongest function. But it might not be as developed as someone else's inferior function. Its YOUR hero function but doesnt mean this is more developed than anyone else.
Pathetic. Who, but the insecure, need to feel good about being buttered up to? My reaction to that is projectile vomiting.
Sincerely,
Random INTP
The question in my mind is whether he means it genuinely. If so, it's nice to feel appreciated, if not, naughty naughty he's gaming our weakness.
You are the only one in the mbti community that I can watch a whole 30+ video of without getting bored or distracted that's because your presentation is on point and the information you offer is priceless , I can't wait for types compatibility videos that would be great.
Naif Romeli they are coming, trying to get more subscriber requests out of the way because they have been patient with me.
C.S. Joseph if I see you I'm not only going to shake your hand I'm going to hug you for this valuable content . Much respect keep it up 👏🏼👏🏼
Really, the channel seems to be undervalued. I have not been able to find this dive in take on this stuff elsewhere; most people just talk from what they FEEL is accurate typology...
Lyaz Sickness seriously! My friend and I have talked about how his type breakdowns make us feel vulnerable and exposed because of the depth and accuracy.
June Love he is the best
Lol this video made me laugh so hard at some points. "The INTP is always worried that everyone around them is stupid *points at Ti*. They don't have to worry about the INTJ being stupid *points at Te*"
Your *Te* won't be the source of stupidity, indeed.
You should try having Ti critic; perhaps the harshest critic around. I simply CANNOT tolerate fools. INTJ
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 that's exactly true
I'm an INTP who stagnated for most of my 20s, until something just snapped in me and I started focusing on getting my shit together, and I the results of my efforts never cease to amaze me. It has really hit home how much my own views of myself were limiting my potential for most of my life.
How'd you get your shit together?
@@snoweh1 the biggest thing I did to get my shit together was making the choice to quit playing the victim and making the decision to take full responsibility for my own life. Recognizing the difference between fault and responsibility was key. The second thing I did was choose to take action rather than staying stuck in my head with my ideas. I decided to embrace the "just do it" kind of thinking. Jordan Peterson has helped me reframe the way I see life in so many different ways, he helped me massively along the way.
This is me rn wasted my early 20s but I am the one set on routine and discipline - I have been consistent with healthy living and time management for about 1/2 a year and achieved feeling happy never thought that could be possible
"The INTP doesn't let itself want because it sees that everyone else's wants are irrational and it doesn't want to be irrational."
Oof, I feel that. -INTP
It's better than giving the real reason... imagine wanting stuff and eventually having to make a list for it to keep track. The first thing you'd put on the list is someone with mind-reading capaciies to delegate the job to.
That is a contradiction because the intp literally just wanted something.
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Now that I think about it, do you know why you run into INTJs so often on the internet?
You post information and we're doing research.
Or maybe lots of people pretend to be INTJs
@@cloudthief8918 They're not pretending. They've been misinformed. They think they are and so try to move into the role. They don't know any better.
@@thissunchild true, but there's this seeming "aura" of mystery or some BS around INTJs they think we're analytical gods or something
@@thissunchild they obviously dont think enough to even question if they are an intj or not. I'm still contemplating if I am an intj, although I'm pretty confident i am.
The only other types who i could relate closest to is
INTP
ISTJ
More so the INTP.
I've been contemplating if I'm an INTJ or an INTP for awhile. But for some reason(probably me being an actual intj) I still lean more towards the INTJ characteristics.
I heard that INTPs are more hermetic than INTJs but that could've just been false information.
I do isolate myself to an extreme.
INTP?
INTJ?
ISTJ?
Who knows I'm still going to be great.
@@Goldenlevel555 Indeed. And that contemplation
can last for years....sadly
It's never shown, but there is definitely a ceiling fan in this room. (Yes, that's my contribution to this.)
Was it the movement reflected in his watch that gave it away or the slight humming in the background?
Defs the watch
It is the shadow fluctuation at the top center of the room...slightly to the left of his head.
@@JustAnotherSmith Also the white sound from the fan...
For me it was the watch, but I'm not really sure because it seems too fast to be a fan.
Basically, me(INTP) and my friend(INTJ) for more than a decade. He's the researcher while i do the crunching. He tells me to get shit done while i just yeah... yeah... just keep em coming.
"Fe is able to absorb the morals of the INTJ and behave morally themselves." I thought about this. My morals as an INTP are mostly learned and adapted as my own. It's like they were learned observing others, over the years, including Fi users. After learning many morals this way, I went to purge many of them and be more careful about the process.
My sense of justice is more built in than my morals.
The problem with morals of other ppl is they are usually arbitrary and inconsistent.
I'm an INTP and last week my INTJ told me that I'm "the dopest". LOL
BESIDES the exceedingly well researched material and the permanent myth-busting you do in practically all of your videos, the best part of any of them is when you imitate somebody else's voice. hilarious! congratulations on an incredibly well done job! which of course i'm sure you already knew it was, but external validation and appreciation right? must feel nice to know you're making everybody else feel good ;) - an actual INTJ
Yessir, thank you for pointing it out.
I can't help but concur 100% with your comment! Well done Mr. Joseph! You are truly inspiring!
@@CSJoseph I've has this question for a long time and I hope you give me an honest answer to it. I've been on the mbti train for a few weeks know and put in many hours of research just because this is honestly amazing stuff, but I've realized through self thought and research that I'm not a straight INTP and INTJ. I'm pretty much a 50 - 50 split with a little ISTJ since I was one as a child. I wanted to know if this scientific or maybe I mistyped myself.
INTPs are super computers, INTJs are nuclear missiles.
And by that I mean INTPs are very logical and are process-orientated whereas INTJs are precise and focused, however you better get out of their way once they "lift off".
@@mishtaromaniello8295 What do you mean with lift off?
@@ashuranero5721 when they execute their plan/idea.
I'm an Intp and my best friend is an Intj. We know each other since highschool and we would always do presetations together. I swear you have never seen such well structured, well researched and well articulated presentations. The combination of Intj structure and research and Intp interpretation and ideas is scarily efficient
That sounds so beautiful I teared up a lil - Intj
@@mbtiverse180 I teared up a little as well -
intp
This was GOLD. This coming from an INTP. Thanks man you are quite intelligent I like you. Subscribed
You are most welcome.
INTJ - Clear communication of Sentences and ideas over 90% of the time.
INTP- Unclear, unrefined communication of Sentences and Ideas half the time.
Makes sense. INTP's form their thinking as they speak/write (?).
As an INTJ, I feel like I can have great difficulty in communicating Ni patterns outwardly and making people understand.
I'd first blurt out an inaccurate sentence, then keep talking about the same thing until I coalesce finally on the best possible explanation that covers all potentials for misunderstanding and/or short comings in understanding. I'd sometimes obsess over making sure that the other person has understood based on their facial expressions and Fi fears.
True true
Because you, unaware people, are our white boards.
We, INTPs, speak half baked sentences, to check for input. If your faces go completely "I don't have a fucking clue", we know we are spot on.
If your face go "Yeah, i get it!" then we took a wrong turn, and must think a bit more, because we went full common sense.
Don't be mad, just show us your best "I don't have a fucking clue" and let's move on!
as a intj I cannot be direct because whether I am direct or not my affiliative classmates will have a problem with my non conventional opinions
I had no idea about the intp want/responsibility thing. It makes so much sense for me. I get so stangnant and know that I need to want or need something but I can't properly motivate myself because I can't allow myself to really work towards something.
I'm sad that the fashion thing is true. My INTJ friends are so well dress and I, the INTP, just wear baggy tshirts and jeans every day
Emily Dark blue jeans, white t-shirt, black leather/faux leather jacket. Understated, a hint of cool, and most importantly: comfortable. Change footwear and add jewellery and make up depending on the situation.
But is it possible as an INTJ to be dull in fashion? I think INFJs are better at it right?
I'm an intj and a complete noob in case of fashion
Why the hell look sharp?
Hey, get comfy. It is YOU who will be inside those clothes for a full day, if you are not comfortable in them, why wear them? Makes no sense.
If others think you are not well-dressed, it is their problem, not yours. Don't give a fuck to their opinions.
@@sombraarthur Um...we live in a society. You are being judged all-the-time, whether you realize it or not. That means others are also getting second-degree judgement, from being around you. Looks matter. Fashion matters. First impressions matter [sincerely, an INTJ who USED to dress "like a clown", but is now consistently one of the best dressed people in the room-always, under all circumstances, rain or shine].
The conversation you made between an INTJ and an INTP about loyalty is still making me laugh about it. It´s basically the relationship I have with a friend of mine wich is an INTP too, and let me say it is really healthy for me hearing from an informed person that they do actually remember the good experiences we INTJ give to them... It's simply a priceless feeling of wholesomeness.
By the way, yes, I won't deny I'm researching about his personality type to be aware on how to make him feel comfortable around me.
awwh good friendship
I´m an INTP and my best friend is an INTJ. Dude just walked up to me at the bus stop one day and starting talking to me. Pals for six years.
Lmao similar experience here
I have no clue where my INTP is , prolly cus I haven't searched every basement. -INTJ
An intp here asking instead for tips on how to find my intj :)
Same. Researching about INTPs so I can actively spot one and gently coax them out of their house and make them a part of my master plan. Not in a manipulative way, I'm just bored and lonely as an INTJ female. 😒
@@whatever.username I saw a comment on another video recently that I think is actually pretty helpful in that regard, speaking as someone who most resonates with INTP, it's all about knowing which bait to use. INTPs will devote an enormous amount of thought effort into virtually anything, just for the sake of doing so. In any kind of social group, pose a really absurd or even stupid question about something somewhat complex that serves no actual purpose in reality, pay attention to who jumps at the opportunity to explore and discuss it with you. It's not a guarantee, but there's a high likelihood you'll hook an INTP, they usually can't help themselves.
Acting like INTJs leave their villain lair
This is so crazy. I am an INTP with an INTJ sister and it's so crazy how good we work together. Whenever we get together to work together, reseaching a certain topic , or even our dynamic when we go out is so cohesive. Sometimes I feel like we can read each others thoughts with just a simple look. This was so accurate it was scary.
My sister is INFJ and i am INTP we kinda get along but we are so different almost in everything and in doing chores she always get angry at me i do not know why ! She want everything in the same place and in the same orientation like she want the brand name of a bottle to be infront like an OCD !!
I try to understand cognitive functions to start improving myself but i can not find a good source ! So many actions happening around us and i can not imagine that all of it comes from the cognitive function alone !
It makes more sense to call NT's intellectuals, to be honest. I hate it when mistakes like calling us all "rationalists" get ingrained in the language.
Ike Moon tell me about it
I just wanted to tell you that I went back to your first video and it seems that you have not been on UA-cam very long. I have seen you mention that you where homeless and you got back on your feet. I did see your intro video and I do understand your vision.
I just want to give you props. It just seems like you came out of nowhere and are killing it on UA-cam. I know it's a lot of work, but keep it coming. You are doing great. - INTJ
much appreciated
You just described me INTP and my wife INTJ very accurately.
Very informative videos and straight to the point; I usually click off videos but I watched this through. INTP here too
Wow!
Thanks to your video I've realised why I can not fully let go of my very first relationship that ended SIX years ago - that's because I'm a hardcore INTJ and my ex boyfriend an INTP.
We met in the government-sponsored fun/study camp for gifted kids. We never spoke a word to each other until a common friend asked him if he liked anyone around and he pointed at me, and that's how it started.
When we got stuck on solving one math/physics problem or another, I'd come and tell him from which angle to tackle it from and he'd use the raw computational power I lacked to confirm the approach to be right.
People literally had to catch me in the embrace to slow me down, and sometimes I would literally collapse on the ground if I could't MOVE towards something I absolutely HAD to get RIGHT now. His kindness and patience corrected it, as well as explanations i.e ''Let's dance naked on the window sill when people from outside can not see us"'. And I admired how he applied his ruthless intelligence and methodology to everything, including the ruthless methodology of bringing me to an orgasm :D
What was really saddening for me is that he was so apathetic (?) that he couldn't dare to dream of anything. So I was constantly kicking his ass to raise his awareness of what he WANTED from life. Unfortunately for us, I knew what I wanted, and it was emigrating to New Zealand, and it broke both of our hearts when we had to part our ways.
Now, 6 years later, I'm working as a structural engineer in Auckland and he is working in the science lab that researches DNA and cancer treatment. I have 160 wishes in my bucket list, with 80 ticked off already, and he is still unsure of what he wants to do after Masters/ Phd. I'm obsessed with optimising EVERY process in my life and being as rational and efficient as possible and he is still a kinder and better person than I am.
Our relationship is long over but there's still a part of my soul (even though souls do not exist) that cares about him and wishes all the best things in life to him.
this is the best love story I've read this month
What an amazing love story.
This sounds like a clash between your dominant function Ni (own vision, goal, purpose) and his Ni trickster. Chase said Ni trickster is what causes intps to not know what they want. I hope you tried to help him find what he wants instead of criticising him for not knowing
My relationship with INTJ female was a very exhausting experience. I don't understand my emotions and she doesn't understand emotions of others, so establishing emotional connection was a nightmare. I couldn't even develop a good model of our relationship emotional dynamics with her because she didn't listen to me - instead she has been developing _ad hoc_ her own arbitrary solution for each single issue I was talking about; and flooding me with Te ,then asking questions about *her* plan...
I understand her feeling of moral obligation to fix everything and everyone, but I was just trying to understand things and mechanics to see the big picture. Her plans and solutions, based on incomplete data weren't useful to me but overwhelming. Talking with her were sometimes resulting in me doubting in my own thoughts and perception.
So it doesn't always work so good...
Yeah, you got your hands on a narcissistic female INTJ.
@@adriantomole1019
Well, it's complicated.
I've been suspecting her on being a narcissist , but I'm not sure she is. She is very self-absorbed, but it often seems like some kind of compulsion. She is quite high on conscientiousness, she need to do something all the time (like cleaning, homeworks and "fixing" her environment), even if she is in someone's house for the first time she usually offers her hand in cleaning and helping - because she strongly feels she *should* - I don't think narcissist would behave like that.
She had very hard adolescence in dysfunctional family and it shaped her. It seems like her self-centered perception focused on creating and executing her plans, and immediately fixing all issues - is an escape from her own emotional suffering, and especially from emotional interactions/bonds with other people (which she block this way).
Describing it MBTI-wise I could say: she is stuck in her Ni-Te to protect her Fi or something like that.
I finally understand the letters! they don't matter... thumbs up for that rant.
Please do videos on choosing the the most suitable jobs or careers for each personality type . Much respect to you 👏🏼
Naif Romeli they are already on the list.
20:10 hahahaha my loyalty is almost philosophical. Even if I /want/ to be with someone else, I won't let it happen because I believe in loyalty for the sake of loyalty. I feel like this might be an INFP/INTP thing with controlling their desires out of principle. Because their decision to be loyal is core to who they are as a person, they would probably be very comforting to an INTJ/INFJ type that is insecure about loyalty :)
yes, this is correct
LOL I’m an INFP and my ex is an INTJ and no matter how loyal I was to him, he was quick to make assumptions about me cheating on him which goes against my moral values (I felt attacked ToT) .. so ideally it sounds comforting but in reality it was kind of hell
I am an INTP and really enjoy your videos mate. Had plenty of troubles in my life and your videos have helped me understand where I have gone wrong with the Si child and stagnating. You are right as I have felt for years like my very soul is dying, despite being very comfortable and seemingly doing well. It's not that simple for us and I would never have figured it out had it not been for MBTI and the good works of people like you. CHEERS! I still have a long way to go but I feel like I am gaining powerful knowledge I can use to bounce back from a 8 year slump. A costly slump as I am now 38 and my youth is over. But I am trying to look back less and forward more ( hard for us INTP's in regard to what I want and need ) easy in regards to future events and others. I really thought I was a lost cause despite being highly intelligent and excellent at my job something has always felt like it's missing. I am hoping to figure out all these things in time but it's still early days. Your videos add an entertaining flavour to it as well as I love metaphors and clever talk. Good work man!
thanks
As an INTP this is super useful as I do have a huge crush on an INTJ. I mean, like spooky huge, and I am not usually like that at all. Now I understand why, thanks!!! BTW, you're super funny, had a great time watching.
You do a great job of framing each type in a negative and positive light as compared to a lot of other sources seem to try to make everyone sound like super versions of themselves and for that you've earned my sub!
I’m an intj and I feel like my intp friend constantly bullies me :D
Crash :0 Of course we do.
It means we love you... you're welcome
HAHAHAHAHAHA
That is because we do. All the time.
Thanks for getting it, tho.
I cried.. cause I’m INTJ and my best friends INTP and it made me remember how many good times we’ve had together and that I can always go to her to trust🤭🐌🧠
Thank You so much for calling out the duality garbage! I have found myself in the position of informally giving people relationship advice. I’m so frustrated when people cling to the opposites have to be together argument. Off the bat I intuitively know as I have interacted with different kinds of people as an INTJ. I know that an ESFP and INTJ is not a very satisfying, and can be a train wreck. And I know everyone says that two mature people can make anything work. But let’s be honest about the percentage of situations where all the stars align....
Regarding INTJ's making seemingly ''premature decisions'' without regards to the other persons point of view here's my explanation.
An INTJ behaves and analyzes according to a framework. With SE being their last function current events are merely an hindrance to the ''reality of the situation''. As paradoxical as it sounds.
Let's say an INTJ breaks up with you ''all of a sudden'' without letting you know or trying to ''fix'' whatever area wasn't working or even giving you an opportunity to convince you to give it a try.
It's because they don't want you to, they have anticipated so further down the relationship and assessed your level of compatibility in a way that explaining to you how in 3 to 4 months everything would fall apart due to ''X' and ''X'' behaviour would make them sound crazy although hating to admit that most of the time, well ''THEY WERE RIGHT''. This is done both for your and their sake of not losing time, energy and emotions in something that is doom to fail.
NI is focused on long term possibilities, TE deconstruction and analysis, FI How this affects me emotionally and what I believe in, put those function together and you get an individual who is constantly living life in fast forward internally meanwhile appearing out of it externally due to inferior SE.
In conclusion nothing about the INTJ is ''impulsive'' although to others it may appear so, they've actually weighed this out for a long time and often struggle to put an end to the relationship because we're believers at heart. Now imagine having to explain all of this to your partner. It's useless and most of the time you'll get the usual ''you're exaggerating, going too far etc'' so we learn from an early age to trust our understanding and avoid pouring energy into having our views invalidated due to the perceived ''unlikelihood'' or the incapacity of your interlocutor to project as far like we're some kind of fortune teller.
I've been in relationship with an INTP and even he, being an intuitive, thought the NI process was perplexing I'd have to make a lot of effort to explain TE wise what came ''magically'' to me and he'd always question WHERE was the information taken from (typical TI dom).
Also, good video, informational, opinionated and yet humorous.
While I cannot disagree with you what you are saying, this framework for decision making still leaves room for the INTJ to wrongfully jump to conclusions and make decisions too quickly on those aforementioned conclusions. If the INTJ cares not for the consequences of their actions, then third parties will judge them as selfish.
Prima
Wow that actually kind of made sense. Interesting. I usually predict people's behavior just like that and won't deal with certain people if I feel I have them figured out.
@@LogicalSuppository Wow I am fascinated by your story about the fight with the person who shouted, "Must you put every single problem under a microscope? Just let me fucking feel!" I can see why an INFP would say that, yet that must have been so difficult. I don't understand how an INTJ can last in any close relationship with someone who refuses to resolve issues or refuses to at least let the INTJ do their analytical thing. If someone says something like what you described to me in a fight, you know what my thoughts typically entail? "You are making me feel really negative things right now and I want to figure out how to make sure I never have to feel this way again." And I don't think they understand that mentality. INTJs have feelings as well, they just take a backseat to our future-oriented analytical thinking. There are things from 13 years ago that I still get angry thinking about, and I think oh if only I had been able to resolve them. I wish people understood that's what it does to us when we can't "fix" things.
Yes this is so true. Ive been at my job 3 months and ive a had hundreds of i told you so moments with my boss like me "hey X gonna cause problems with Y later." Boss "no itll be fine"
Me "alright your the boss" 10 min to 6 weeks later. Boss "hey why is this wrong?" Me "Cuz you told me to do it the wrong way" boss "well why didnt you say any thing?" Me "...i did... multiple times" boss "well fix it"
And if i try to explain he gets impatient and if i dont ask and just do it he gets insecure
Like you would think after a while he would just listen
@@toussaintross2963 "Why is this wrong?" "Cuz you told me to do it the wrong way." Lol 😆
The conversational back and forth is amazing. Please don't ever stop doing that in your videos!
Very informative. My cousin is an INTJ and I'm an INTP. We have been friends since childhood. We are like oil and water, I can see the differences very clearly now as adults. I always saw his willing full drive as shortsighted-ness as well as his praise worthy accolades as self serving. I can sense his frustration that i don't want what he wants, therefore that i'm crippled by missing out on the satisfaction of appraisals that he enjoys. He is both antagonized and befuddle by my indifference, that i could care less.
Not an INTP ...
An INTP would say the logical and proper "I couldn't care less".
Watched some of your long lectures and they honestly feel like three minutes because they're so intriguing. I'm an INTP and my s/o is an INTJ. He really does help me develop morals and pull me out of my nihilistic void, while I help him explore and make him more trusting. Accurate!
I sent this to my INTJ gf, I’m INTP and have always liked INTJs to the point where I’ve been called the INTJ collector. It’s pretty spot on, we connect so well on a weird level. I don’t think I’ve ever opened up to anyone as much. They say, INFJ is the golden pair but they’ve all been raging dumpster fires. My INTJ doesn’t pry, I just let her in.
I’m not sure if this is what you meant by share a story, but I’m insanely happy with her. This video actually helped with dealing with her as well making sure her needs are met because she’s very important to me. She makes me feel okay about the 10 paragraph text messages I send lol.
Well there are plenty of successful INTP and INFJ relationships as I can see from an FB group that I'm in. Maybe you just met immature INFJs and/or ones who haven't developed their Ti. Personally I think there are two distinct types of INFJ and I don't necessarily mean 'turbulent' or 'assertive'.
An INFP would be a better pair to an INFJ, because for them everything is about social values and social justice(even though they can be really wrong and uppity about it without doing research). INFJs are really good with people, and that ticks with an INFP because they're all about feeling like a shaman. They're really artsy and indie.
An INTP and INTJ pair is more about intellectuality, even though INTP is about metaphysics(like me, I like to imagine certain situations/daydreams/solutions while not really executing anything, it's a real hinder srs), if they get their mind to something, they can pick up on clues really quickly because of the constant thinking process. And the INTJ provides that framework to work with.
I'm an INFJ. I don't mind some INFPs but I know one that is far too heavy with the Fi and that annoys the hell out of me as it's too judgemental and closed-minded - also this person overuses their Si and underuses their Ne so that adds to the traditional, 'not thinking outside the box' approach that INFJs find so petty and boring. An INFP would have to reeeeeeally be using their Ne properly for me to get along with them (and I definitely wouldn't consider getting involved with an INFP male romantically) but then I'm an Ni-Ti subtype of INFJ (in the DaveSuperPowers system) so I tend to get on with NTs well as I've got a high IQ for an INFJ. I am very good at writing academic essays for example and score high marks. So for me personally I don't agree with what you've said - I get on with INTPs and INTJs better than I do with INFPs - that's from my 30-something years of life experience. PS. I'm not at all an SJW - not all INFJs have the same political views. Only some INFJs are the progressive SJW type - I can't stand all that handwringing/banging pots and pans whilst protesting due to the fact I tend not to use my Fe as much as many of them do - I don't come across as sappy or soppy or all about taking care of people and I won't sacrifice myself for anyone else. It all depends on upbringing as to how your functions are balanced out. There are 2 groups on FB for 'INTP and INFJ' and 'INTJ and INFJ' so it's obviously not just me that thinks the above - they're full of happy friends and couples of those types.
+Allie B Fair enough. My experience with this is purely anecdotal anyway. I've had a friend that's been dating a self-proclaimed INFJ(she's also mastering in Psychology and I've spoken to her a few times). That friend of mine is an INFP, and they've been together for 2 years already.
He's a hipster and really into social justice, how the society should look like, the ideology behind that, etc. Somehow they're very well together.
LOL, I'm an INTP and I also refer to myself an "INTJ collector". They're awesome. So true about INTJs not prying and yet somehow, I am very open and unguarded with my INTJ boyfriend in a way I've never been with other people. Maybe bc he doesn't judge, punish, or get offended by my radical honestly.
As an INTP, I've found INTJs to be pleasurable to get along with (mostly). Thank you for such thorough videos.
Informative, to the point & unapologetically blunt. This is why i always gravitate to this channel, especially when i'm looking for direction.
SFJs jump to conclusions even more than NJs. I know 'cause both my parents are SFJs and they constantly ascribed negative motivations to me during my childhood when I was just trying to help. At least NJs are interested in psychology, are intuitive and generally more self-aware so there's some kind of room for self-growth as they mature. Try telling the typical SFJ they've jumped to a conclusion and see what happens - denial, indignation, rants, manipulations, counter-attacks, general controlling behaviour due to the Fe/Si or Si/Fe combination. Infact I've rarely met a healthy SFJ - even one who is elderly.
Same with STJs. Quick and often inaccurate jump to conclusions because of intuitive subconscious. It is like they are slowly digging a pit of despair for themselves without knowing. Often need a Ne-parent to keep them in check.
NJs have sensory issues, like HSP or Asperger's due to sensory subconscious. They can be helped by Se-parent, such as ISFP.
@@blindsoul7915 My parents are both ISJs, and I dealt with these issues growing up; them just jumping to random conclusions that had no basis in reality and me often getting hurt in the process, and also, not being able to use Ne properly because they were so fearful. Now though, as I've learned of my strong Ne and useless Fe (and it is pretty useless by itself), I have figured out ways to calm my ISJ parents and guide them to make better choices. But this takes FOREVER. GEEZ. They're lucky I care about them so much; otherwise, I'd just have left them to dust (but they also made sacrifices for me, and I'd feel guilty just leaving them like that).
Love your video about INTJ and the example that puts the characters to life. Good sense of humor is always appreciated. Hope you do more about the INTJ
I got your coming, I promise!
I had a friend who I think is INTJ, and I accidentally did something that could have been misconstrued as disloyal, although I didn't mean it, and I apologized and everything, but now they don't talk to me; my point is that you mentioned that they are paranoid about loyalty and we (INTP) are focused on how good we were to them and then we get pissed because they didn't recognize that. I don't think we are going to make amends to the friendship because we both are detached, regardless of how long we were friends. Interesting video and seems pretty accurate.
@@arturkvieira Where did that come from? I think that the problem with us might be in your end.
I mean, I get being ticked off by an INTJ. (Ti critic anyone?) But we're not all the same. I've known a few INTJs who were so frustrating that I wanted to kick them across the room. But I've also known a few who stopped to buy meals for homeless people. I've been in both groups. 🙂
But here's the thing. Attributing the characteristics of a few people to an entire group will never be valid. It's called bigotry.
Yeah same story. That friend was really good for me but.
As an INTJ married for 26 years to an ESFP, I can testify to the challenges. omg. Most of the time it's fine, but that's because he generally trusts me with the finances, and he deals with most of the personal contacts outside the house. The inevitable clashes, though, can be huge, especially when he suddenly decides to spend $30,000 without discussing it. This just happened.
ummm wtf is that last part
My dad is an ESFP with a pretty developed Te child, so the thing with my Si child rut goes like this- my dad is like "ok maybe you've been pushed around a lot this year, you didn't have time to go into your lala land so you can stagnate for now, no worries, but you know, sooner or later you have to get it together" and it only seems logical that I don't waste my whole life doing nothing because I had been uncomfortable for some time. I personally don't know an INTJ but my dad's subconscious is pretty much my guide.
Also, vanilla, right on point. I don't dress hideously but all my clothes are pretty much plain black/blue t-shirts. The Se users around sure pointed it out that I am vanilla.
The lecture was amazing. Gotta love you and your burning the lies away attitude man.
Perfect speed. Usually I listen to everything on 1.25, and this channel - normal 👌🏻
INTP researcher here, I was listening to you in the background while at work. You get to talking about INTPs being good at research, and I'm thinking "oh, interesting yeah research makes sense for us -" then you proceed to describe EXACTLY what I was working on. My boss is on vacation and (INTP left alone) I am currently redesigning the master excel sheet all of our project data is warehoused in to automate 90% of the data entry work and calculations for literally hundreds of thousands of data points.
It would be interesting to see how different types feel about Excel. I sort of think Excel was designed for INTPs, I can usually find some way to use it no matter what project I'm working on.
You are damn right about socionics and their theory of compatibility, it is trash. Duality is not where it's at. Thank you for your service, sir.
you are most welcome
Ok this may have convinced me I've been wrong about my mbti type all this time.
As an intp, we... don’t really change. Unless our situation changes. We don’t usually change unless the world changes. It may or may not be healthy, but it’s also really not something you need to worry about.
I’m an intj, my sister is an intp and my brother is an entp. Still can’t convince them to help me control the work yet, still working on that.
yay!!! I'm rooting for you
I am an INTJ and I understand social norms, I just don't care to much. I also think that peoples understanding and conclusion of social behaviour is wrong or poorly thought through. By that I mean, I understand their thought process, but disagree and therefore chooses a different path.
You clearly care about people a lot, and want to help them grow. Also, that is so true about NJ parents. My late father was an INFJ, and he would always jump to conclusions - and he would ALWAYS believe my ENTJ brother over me (INTP). My brother would lie about something I did (to get me in trouble) and my dad would automatically believe him - and then I would get 30 swats. The unfairness was very upsetting to me - at age 32 I still get worked up thinking about it.
I’m counting watching this video as my 30 minutes of productivity today. Thank you
Haha yes
Sent this to my ENTJ best friend immediately after watching :) your explanations are interesting and concise, love your channel, keep up the good work
Just found your channel and it’s amazing! I’m an INTP female with an INTJ mother who is my best friend. This video hit so many nails on the head. All I can say is thank you for all your hard work this video was awesome and I have already shared this channel with my mother. (She made me take the Briggs-Myers test in the first place)
you are most welcome
I'm an INTP and my best friend is an INTJ and this fits so perfectly.
INTP here. INTJs are the BEST conversationalists. I swear, it's better than sex. Two hours discussing Schrodinger's Cat. HEAVEN ON EARTH.
I agree. NTJs are really good at talking because they listen and they have great input
I am an INTPish INTJ and everything from my behavior to testing equally high in Ni, Ne, Ti and Te on cognitive tests verifies what seems more than obvious to me. From the first time I took the test and got INTJ and read the description, it seemed very fitting, until I read the INTP description. I read all type descriptions and there was no doubt what so ever, except a little doubt about whether I was in fact an INTP. After watching other types, I soon realized that personality typing is ultimately a continuum and not everyone will fit neatly into a certain "arbitrarily determined number of distinctions" (some systems use 9 types, 16 types, 5 types.....). For instance many type 5 Enneagram are INTP or INTJ (there is obvious overlap). 50% of INTJs are type 5 and 30% are type 1 (big difference). A type 1 INTJ will be more ENTJish and a type 5 will be more INTPish.
All man made systems are arbitrary to make better sense of complex nature and personality typing is no different. Ultimately there are 7 billion personality types, but that level of distinction is far to great for any human mind to process and it is unnecessary to glean a basis understanding of general differences in common traits between people. I think 16 types (levels of distinction) is enough without getting too complicated), but for further distinction within types, we must notice the nuances and (intuitively) categorize the sub-types for better understanding. The most difficult thing for me is to put my big picture understandings into coherent words that accurately describe the depth in which I see things. In my mind I need no words, because I see everything in entire concepts and understand the complex whole without needing to break it down into details. It is a fruitless effort, because even if I try to properly explain anything in my long posts, I never run out of tangents which are relevant and connected to the big picture of what I am attempting to describe.
I think INTPs and ENTPs are brilliant. I am a "jack of all trades", but I am amazed by the brilliance of Leonardo da Vinci (clearly an ENTP). That man was too smart for his own good (his ideas were so advanced that his era of technology and contemporaries couldn't allow them to come to fruition. I will debate anyone on a topic I am familiar with (I have great faith in my sound logic), but if I had to pick a formidable foe, it would be an ENTP like Lawrence Krauss.
As an INTPish INTJ I would say that my greatest strength is finding holes in logic. Or more aptly, people using inconsistent logic. The bells and whistles go off. I am always interested in different perspectives and particularly the ENTP perspective, because they are as raw as people come (even more so than INTJs). If people try to hard to not offend people, then they must suppress the truth. ENTPs lack that sensor (or at least it seems to me) that tells them what not to say to spare feelings of others, albeit they can still come across less insulting than INTJs due to their delivery style.
Well, then, maybe I'll just look for an ENTP! In all seriousness, I'm an INTJ/ISTJ and I've recently just gotten to the point that I don't care anymore about who I offend. I think it's all very stupid and people just need to get over themselves. If someone doesn't like it, it's generally not my problem, because I really don't think you should be emotionally invested in other people's arguments. I'll be very blunt with people at this point, because I believe that most of people's opinions on someone else's statements are deeply rooted in personal bias with very little to no logic behind them. So, that makes me kind of wonder if ENTJs have a similar perspective on the issue or if they would be more tactful.
I too keep getting the result INTJ/INTP from the humanmetrics sight.
Should i try a different test?
Can i be two types or something in between? How is this possible?
You’re an intp. An intj wouldn’t bother writing something that long.
@@chinaboytag1 maybe you should care, not everyone actually argues and at times your type leaves so little evidence on your conclusion or decision that it can get outright confusing, I don't say you should sugarcoat shit but at least fucking explain, I already figured a friend doing this pissed me off just because they think they can do no wrong. Get over yourself.
@@zlatanibrahimovic8329 probably your intuition told you to do so, and you're ok with that it seems
The passive-aggressiveness, the delivery, the mimics, the little sketch-like dialogues, the "haha" with the smirk, the "anyways" i. I don't know what to say you really just laid down my birth certificate and made it funny as hell, I genuinely looked at the 5-minute mark and forced myself to not subscrbe right then and there. Your petty attitude towards the other typers are always welcome, you are indeed an icon, thank you.
So I’m an INTJ, I took a professional test from work that said I was but when I took 16 personalities and other tests online the results were inconsistent. This made me very paranoid about which personality I actually am so I did extensive research of how to tell if you’re not an INTJ and the cognitive functions of an INTJ. Only once did I actually watch your videos and learned to type myself through cognitive functions did I finally accept the fact that I actually am an INTJ. I really wanted to make sure I didn’t mistype myself cuz I’ve researched that most people who are typed as INTJ from tests aren’t actually INTJ and I did not want to fall into that category.
Same
I am an INTP and I've come to really enjoy the way you illustrated many of the sessions you've shared. At full disclosure I was not for whatever reason following them, but now I am very happy to follow your style overall
I have a lot of INTJs and ENTJs in my life - which I love as an INTP. I tend to enjoy INTJs more and agree with you that we are a "complete mind" when together. All basis are covered intellectually and otherwise. My best friend, significant other and Mom are all INTJ and it's wonderful.
ENTJ is my second favorite counterpart. My older brother is ENTJ and we have always been extremely close. It would be amazing to hear you compare ENTJ and INTP. If you already done this I will search your videos for it and you can disregard my request, obviously.
Your assessment of the INTJ/INTP pairing is perfectly in line with how I have theorized it to be myself and am very please to hear someone else saying it. I rarely hear it from any "experts" on the subject.
Vanessa Tremblay yeah the experts believe the world is still flat
"Drawning your self worth from the level of acceptance that you have in your life"... What sorcery is this? You have seen into my soul and I feel exposed.
I hope to meet that INTJ friend soon.
bentooh I met an INTP recently and we run a Robotics Club in college now. Super fucking dope we’re so much alike 😭
Same. . . I'm being too stagnant and self-destructive recently.
Dude, that was a great way to address the inferior functions at the beginning. Also, why do people say INTJ and ENFP make a good couple?
highest sexual compatibility
@@CSJoseph 👀 ehem... Do you have a video about this?
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INTPs = have ethical/social behaviour, and ask "what does everyone else want?" whilst critical to their own wants.
focused on the "what if"
Remembers things others do.
Potentially stagnant. Get into routines.
Unaware of the physical environment.
INTJs = morally-upright, but not socially aware, and ask "what do I want?"
focussed on the reality of what is, but bad with memories. Don't like complacency.
Verify all information.
Paranoid/untrusting.
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Relationship between the two:
INTPs and super loyal/comfortable and remind INTJs of INTP good deeds, helping the INTJ paranoia be calmed.
INTPs can be taught to better-interact with their environment, dress well, and not be stagnant by the INTJ.
Needs:
INTPs need to be thanked for being caring.
INTJs need to be thanked for the experience, helping you think, and stay honest. Forgetting an INTJ makes them feel that you are disloyal.
You're just so soaked in this stuff! I loved hanging out with you for the 1/2 hour and learning more about this. I'm an INTP and I can see how I got along and had conflicts with a friend of mine in college about 30 years ago, based on your video, because I strongly suspect that he was an INTJ. Neat!
As an INTJ I'm not afraid of people around me being stupid, and I don't think I'm the smartest person in the room. But I'm constantly afraid that people haven't done proper research, which they usually haven't! I'm really hard on my self when it comes to not forming opinions on things I haven't done a lot of research on too. BUT I know that I can be really hypocritical and sometimes jump to conclusions without having done the research when I think it's "just makes sense", in other words it "feeeeeels right".. This is usually when I don't have time to do the reseaech or when it's things that you can't research, for examle what goes on in other peoples heads.
My INTP-partner hates that I always ask him to present the research he's done to come up with his conclusion.. I understand it has to be annoying, but many times he hasn't. The thing is, I think of him as smarter than me and know that he probably is right most of the times, but I have to be able to follow his logic to decide if he's right or not.
So, pro tip to all logic people talking to us rationals: help us follow your logic by either presenting research or giving us a step-by-step of "this is how I came up with this".
"As an INTJ I'm not afraid of people around me being stupid"
"But I'm constantly afraid that people haven't done proper research, which they usually haven't!"
Uhhh.... :P
Yea, we're not great (merely 'good', at best) at researching, but it's really easy for us to decipher true from false so often only 'some' research is required, the problems arise when an extra bit of information would completely reshape the framework and therefore the conclusions, which is why we really need you to go that extra mile with the research to be sure we've not missed stuff. Sure, it therefore helps to know what we've researched, which is tricky for us, just as it's tricky for you to appreciate that when we're saying things that go against what you believe to be true / common sense / accepted fact.
All of this would be sooo much easier, if only we weren't both such "know-it-alls", jumping from deeply complex subject to the next, but then we wouldn't deeply love eachother as much.
Glad to hear of another INTP that's got a deep relationship with an INTJ, gives me "hope" that I might sometime too.
This was really good, as an INTP who is currently engaged to an INTJ, I can vouch for the vast majority of this. We've both flown ahead in our careers and general life development since getting together, an INTP/INTJ pairing is ridiculously powerful.
i think this video showed me i may have been in my shadow quite a bit recently, which isn't surprising since my life took a bit of a downward turn the past 2/3 yrs, it's kinda stabilising atm but i'm still mostly on edge and in a negative head-space majority of the time due to where i am in my life. i haven't questioned my type in a while till this video then i realised the reason i was is that my shadow has been showing itself more, making my recent experiences coincide with more intj traits. that being said, i'm still gonna haul my ass to the who are intjs video and compare it with the intp one to make sure lol and look into your four sides of the mind video which i realistically should have started with :p
edit: also great videos! i'm glad to have stumbled upon your channel, it's getting me back into the whole mbti thing which i kinda gave a rest to for a while. so much stuff here that i wasn't aware of.
My new dentist is an INTJ and I'm an INTP. I went in for a routine teeth-cleaning that was supposed to take an hour but ended up taking 3 hours - we finally had to agree to stop conversing so that he would stop losing money on me even though I was the last appointment for the evening lol.
Intp paired with an intj. Our relationship is quite comfortable. And we are super open with one another. About absolutely anything. Amazing how accurate some of the interactions you mentioned are.
I'm into, my wife is intj and we mesh really well. We make each other better. We compensate for our faults and build up our strengths. This video made me laugh because of the accuracy
Request: INTP-ENTJ compatibility
Just discovered your channel, my partner and I are of those types. Great help and understanding, You deserve way more followers. Thank you.
much appreciated
This video is a lot more accurate about INTP than the others I've seen so far, probably because it describes a stable and comfortable situation and doesn't rely on the usual stereotypes. Also far more succinct. That anecdote about the broken window really speaks volumes. I had a similar incident when I was young.
Love, love your videos. I'm an INTP and yes, I force myself into routines b/c I: drop shit, break shit, lose shit. All The Time. My keys go in the same place every day b/c otherwise I'm late for work, searching every coat pocket and tabletop in the house (and chances are, I'm already late for work lol)...and my keys are in the garbage can or the fricking refrigerator. Super annoying. Yeah, my secret (public? lol) fear is that other people are stupid but you're correct, with INTJs it's never an issue b/c INTJs are Wicked Smart and they know what they're talking about and it's logical and they can prove it. I always find them to be very, very good at explaining and teaching things to me. I find it to be very true that INTJs want to give people a good experience and make them comfortable, and as an INTP I just soak that stuff right up. My boyfriend is an INTJ and yes, I can categorically, systematically recall every single good thing he's ever done for me.
Awesome!
INTJ with an ESFP mom...I see why she frustrates me so...
that sucks
I'm intp with esfp mother
Same here
I literally got in trouble at work for jumping an extra step without thinking
- INTJ
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INTP V ISTP
I'd love to see an INTP vs. ISTP video.
YES
Lin Yen Chin. What else would I be talking about?
Yes
He made one !
I must be the most impatient Intp on the planet. I have zero tolerance for manipulation ,control,stupidity. If my food isn't ready when I am, I become very aggressive and agitated.
When waiting on just about anything, I sometimes just give up or take care of it myself. I really have almost zero patience of any kind, except when I'm interested in something ,then I have all the patience and time in the world.
I loved your video so much that I didn’t realize it was for 30+minutes . Normally I become bored by the first 3 minutes.
C.S. Joseph, finding your videos about INTP's has provided me with more solid insight than any other source. Consistently on MBTI tests I come up ENFP. It certainly rings true, mostly. On my first ever socionics test I came up INFp. What I really hope to understanding is my interactions and compatibility with INTP.
Thanks so much for all your great explanations. Great stuff!!!
Awesome, I am glad to have helped.
Im an INTP with an INTJ brother. Its very hard finding things that we are both interested in that we could work on together but at the same time we get along and understand each others interests
I love that you give examples of the interaction between two personalities.
A problem in the dynamic I (INTP) have with my INTJ ex-bf/friend is that we both generally are pretty misanthropic, and I more so than him have a tendency toward nihilism, and that can spiral pretty quickly and be self re-enforcing. Neither one of us will lift the other up. So, we kind of have to keep each other at arm's length to an extent so we don't go into unhealthy thinking patterns.
As far as a friendship goes, it's fine most of the time, but it was really terrible when we dated. Personally, I think we would both be better in a romantic relationship with NFs, and probably extraverts, who will make us appreciate people more and get us out of our shells.
‼️PLEASE ‼️Could you make a video on the INTP-T & ESTJ-A as a Couple. Thank You So much for your Terrific skill of explaining So Well.
Chase doesn't believe in asseritive and turbulant
His other channel "CS Joseph responds" has really good content but I dunno if there is a vid about INTP with ESTJ
but short answer; good emotional compatibility, bad sexual compatibility, tho ESTJ can at one point be really good in bed (Se critic) but they'll get tired and want to "recieve", they'll sometimes see you as too lazy for them so they'll constantly tell you to do this and do that "it's what you should do and you would want to do if you want a better future", take their advice if you consider yourself turbulant
Please do ISTP vs INTP
And INTJ vs ISTJ!!
Angry mbti typing - unironically what I needed, havent had this much fun in a while, thank you : D
I want that 'How do INTPs compare to INFPs'
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Here's the link
This was the best video I've ever seen comparing the two and making it easily understandable. Thank you so much!