Beta 200 vs 300, which dirt bike?
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2020
- This review is more focused about riding characteristics, not specs or technical details. There's a ton of other reviews out there for that.
Overall the bike was a great choice for hard enduro. There are some advantages to the 200, and some for the 300. I would say the 300 is a bit more versatile as you can pretty much do everything you can on a 200, but with enough excess power for things like desert or dual sporting. I would say the 200 is a bit more of a precision instrument and the 300 is more of a multi-tool.
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Man! Your skill is amazing! I love the way you easily go over those big logs. I love how you slam the rear wheel into the log! I wish I can do that consistently. I envy you.
A great review, and some really good riding skills there as well. I'm almost locked in on a 250 for my next bike, but the 200RR is always sitting in the back of my mind as an option.
Awesome review, and very nice enduro course you’ve got there.
Good video. I agree completely with your assessment based on my far more limited seat time with these Betas plus what I've owned in the past.
I'm sticking with my middle ground '18 Husky TE250 for the long haul but I would definately be looking at purchasing the 200. There were rumors of that bike coming when I was shopping but I was just a bit too early.
Good deal came up and couldn't pass up the TE. 200 was so fun and natural feeling (5'7" 165 lbs) at the demo which was mostly tighter single track. Could definately see it's potential though as you've demonstrated in your videos.
Like you said the 250 seems like an awesome middle ground and is probably the perfect choice for just about any type of riding where the 300 is probably a bit better for dual sporting. Thanks for the feedback :)
Great vid.
I have a 2017 Xtrainer with the Boano forks and Fox rear shock, it is a great trail machine, still twitchy at high speeds though but I don't ride there anymore. I am 5'11 200 lbs and 50 years old and I love the low seat height and smaller frame, very confidence inspiring and a super linear power delivery, a little flat on the top end due to the pipe and a few other little things but otherwise great IMO. I also ride a 19' 390 RR race and 13' 350 RR race, quite familiar with the Beta,s love em.
Sounds like you have a great setup. I definitely like the xtrainer and would love to try one in a hard enduro someday. I've never had the chance to try a 4 stroke Beta but would like to as well.
I'm a washed up 52 y/o intermediate trail rider. I'd been struggling on a 2015 FE350 for a few years hoping I'd get the feel for it. I did the Beta demo day in Marysville, CA and just loved the 200. I bought one a few weeks later and it really transformed my riding for the better. When I was younger I had a couple of KDX200's and loved those bikes. Now I want a trials bike too!
I’m 15 years younger and don’t enjoy the FE350 either 😂. Being 210 lbs before gear I am debating the 300 but don’t want to make the same mistake of a big heavy bike with too much power.
Nice video, I been eyeing either the beta 200RR or Yamaha YZ250X. I think that bike is interesting, and a plus having a Yamaha dealer down the street vs 100 miles to a Beta dealer.
Lol !! Great dead muppet riding at min 6:00 ! And thanks for the insight. I was debating between 200RR and Xtrainer 300 for my next bike. Now my choice is clear.
I own 200rr 2022,taller seat,lower pegs,ohlins suspension,for mx and enduro,handles amazing,and fast if ridden right,perfect bike for me,6ft 200lbs 🤩😍
How does it handle with extra weight of gear + maybe a backpack ? How long can you go without refueling?
Well done review on this bike! I have been riding off and on for the past 50 years. I’ve raced Motocross,desert and the big 6 gps. I’m 5’3 and 155lbs. I had a 390 RRS for a couple years but I’m 65 and don’t have the strength anymore. I ordered the 200 RR and should receive it May 2021. I’m looking forward to a much lighter bike.
Did you get the 200 mate???
@@ozziejim8472 yes it finally arrived. I set the SAG and I went out for my break and ride. This bike feels so late compared to my 390. The power of the 200 two-stroke is very good. It has good bottom and power and is very controllable. I pretty much just rode tight singletrack hard pack. When I finally got on a fire road and opened it up I was very happy with the power. The rain mode works great for tight slow writing. I am definitely very happy that I got this 200. My last two stroke was a 2001 RM Suzuki. I will get used to riding a two-stroke real fast.
@@chuckdiego719 hows the 200 treating you? I agree about the rain mode. It seemed to make very little difference on the 300 but I found it quite useful on the 200 for the really slick nasty stuff.
@@DirtJunkie loving the bike! I lowered it 2inches and it gives me more confidence now that I can put a foot down. It still rides the woops well. I love this engines power delivery.
@@chuckdiego719 awesome! Glad to hear. Yeah the 200 feels quite tall, taller than my old 300 with the new frame design even though the specs say its the same.
Nice review thanks 👍🏻
Hi wow you riding has improved ten folds good on you 👍
Thanks man! I'm actually pretty satisfied with where I'm at in my riding now especially with obstacles. Would be nice to work on getting faster all around.
Great review! I'm looking at the 2022 200 RR or RE at the moment. I have a 2016 XC-W which I really like but I'm considering an upgrade. I'm skeptical of the suspension on these bikes which is why I'm leaning towards the RE as it has KYB forks which are a little more know/reputable. I do hear that they're pretty stiff though and I'm only 5.3" 142lbs. Decisions decisions. 🤔
Great review. I am trying to pick between Xtrainer and 200 RR Race. Riding a Husky TX 300
Fantastic review. Best comparison between a 200/300 I've seen. I went from a KTM 200 to a GasGas 300 last year, and while I love the torque and smoothness of the 300 (agreed on your traction comment), I do notice that the bulk is making it less confidence inspiring in the gnarly stuff.
Quick question - do you notice the difference in chassis size / seat height between the 300 and the 200? I know the 200 is supposed to be a bit smaller, but I've ridden both at a demo and they both felt about the same to me.
Compared to my 2018 300rr, I actually thought it was quite noticeably taller. After breaking it in and setting sag, I'd say it's about the same. The seat and body is a bit wider through the middle compared to 2019 and previous, which I think makes it seem taller even if the heights are the same on paper.
Great riding skills.
Do you have access to the Reiju bikes?
I have a 200 Ranger on order....its been forever. I'm hopeful that its a step up from the Xtrainer in terms of suspension. Currently own a 2018 GasGas Enduro GP thats been lowered and detuned for woods riding. Great bike.
i had the xtrainer 300,but now i have the rr 300 2022 with the new engine,and its a dream,ride like a xtrainer at low revs,lots of torq,but it also ride high revs,for me,thats the best choice
I watched something the other day that showed the power differences in the KTM range.
It showed little different between 250 & the 300 (300 more power in the same arch)but a big difference compared to the 200.
I think a 200 may serve my mild enduro needs better.
Cheers mate
Im looking at a rr125 and im 14 and about 5 ft 1 in bc im currently riding enduro on ttr 125 and ive topped it out
Is it a good choice in a year or so
Great review, I have been thinking about making the jump to the 200rr, I currently have a 02 KTM 300 and just think the gained agility of the 200 would be great. I weigh 230 geared up do you think it would be a good fit or lacking due to weight?
Not sure honestly. I'd try to get a test ride on one to see how it feels. I'd think itd be fine for average trails and hare scrambles but probably feel underpowered in some situations
glad i found your channel ... ill never buy a 2 stroke but I agree with you , I'm just to old for climbing rocks :D ill just go around on my 4t
Funny...I’m a fairly old guy 59, and have a 200rr on the way, but have a 480rr as well. But I think the 200 will be quite easier at Nelson and such. I live in Boulder City...you in vegas? Where do you ride?
nice video
i just bought a rr 300 2020 and i'm a bit skeptical about the oil injection system, i really don't want to blow a new bike.. did you keep it? how is it working for you?
thanks
I did not keep it on my 300 or my 200. On my 300 a line popped off twice in the airbox (second time it was zip tied tight, none of the lines come secured from the factory). The lines are routed and secured better on 2020 models. But I still don't think it's worth it when mixing gas is so easy, I never stop at a pump for gas and if I expected to I could just carry a small bottle of oil. Some people never have problems but issues do seem common at 100+ hours, whether electrical or pump failure.
Great review! I have the 2023 Xtrainer and was looking into picking up either a 200 RR or 300 RR. I'm still not sure which one but leaning towards the 300RR. I don't have your skills but like to climb sandy long hills and ride some faster two-track. The Xtrainer suspension is a little harsh on the fast rocky two-track I ride. Plus it's a little twitchy at faster speeds. I feel like the 300 RR will have some extra top-end power my Xtrainer doesn't and it might be a little more fun on those. What do you think?
I agree the Xtrainer suspension can be unstable for fast riding. I find it more on the soft than the harsh side, so the 200 or 300 would both probably feel even harsher. Hard to beat a 250 or 300 for long sandy hills though!
Hey first off, nice riding! I can’t tell you how jealous I am. I just got into riding bikes from quads. It’s been a few months and I’ve been gaining confidence and learning the basics. I have a Honda 250f 4T but have been longing for a light 2T. I’m still a beginner but want to grow into a bike. 5 10’’ 180lbs. Would you suggest the beta 200rr, or the ktm 150 xc-w? I’d like enough power to bring the front up as I’ve been practicing for rough terrain trail rides, but not enough power to whisky throttle myself into oblivion. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
I haven't tried the 150 so I'm going to be biased. It sounds like a great bike and I'd love to try it, but from what I hear it seems to prefer living in the higher revs similar to a 125, so you'd probably find the 200 to be easier to lug and get the front end up with more control. Control being the key word since you can lift the front on anything, but the 150 will probably feel more jerky and unpredictable than the 200. The 200 definitely won't be too much power if you're used to the 250f, the 250f will probably pull harder at higher revs vs the 200.
@@DirtJunkie I appreciate the feedback brother man! There’s a shop here in town that has a 2022 so I might just pull the trigger. Keep riding and posting, it’s inspiring and I’m enjoying your videos. Thanks again for the quick reply!
Thank you for the great video. With 200, wouldn't it be more difficult to hop the front wheel? I'm on KTM 150 and having hard time to lift the front without clutch. I wonder if clutch is almost always needed with small displacement, which could be one of the advantages of 300....
Personally I find it much easier to lift the front at low speeds than the 300. While at speed the 300 can power wheelie easier.
@@DirtJunkie Even without clutch?
@@susumumori2553 yes with preload and body position. I usually dont clutch as far as a rev and dump, but I'm pretty much always working and feathering the clutch in some way at low speed, never changed technique between the 300 and 200. Keep in mind the beta was completely redesigned for 2020 and I think that's half the reason the 200 feels easier to wheelie at low speeds compared to the 300, the front end just feels lighter.
@@DirtJunkie Thanks! Then it must be my technique, not my bike. I'll keep on working on it.
Great vid. I'm definitely a bigger guy. 6'3" 230 I'm looking for the lightest most flickable bike but something that still has some low end grunt. Just a fun woods/single track bike. For reference I currently ride an xr650r which is about as flickable as a battleship. Do you think I could get away with this bike as far as both power and seat height?
At 6'3" I think you're good as far as seat height on any bike. Also at 230 I suspect most modern enduro bikes would feel very light and flickable compared to the xr. Have you tried any of the current Betas/KTMs/Shercos? Itd be nice if you had an opportunity to try a 200, but I suspect you'll find it very weak on low end compared to the xr, may still be fine but without trying one first a 250 or 300 would probably be the safer choice.
@@DirtJunkie Few things tractor like the XR but I really want light and nimble. I've read and seen a lot of things saying the KTM 250 xc & xc-w dont feel any heavier than the 150 xc-w. I don't car about the "power" nearly as much as the lower end torque. I think I'm leaning towards the KTM 250 xc or xc-w. I have the XR and a monster 1200 but havent ridden tight trail in a long time. I don't want more power than I need.. If that makes sense. I'd rather be slow and in control/confident. If I can get away with a 150 I will. Thoughts? Thanks for your help!
@@DirtJunkie just an update. Picked up a 150 xc w TPI. Absolutely love it. Got a set of pro taper windham mid rise bars for a little height.
I’m 185 and ride not quite as good as you…. I ride the same terrain and style….But I also do some MX track riding jumping small gaps and tables. Which way would you lean for coming out of a corner and hitting a 20-30 gap as far as 200rr and 300rr is concerned ? thx and great vid
Hmm. Depends on how much speed into corner. If a 125 mx bike can do it the 200 should be able to. It's not a super fast accelerating bike though. Seems like a 250 would be a great inbetween
Nice review ... i had an xtrainer and sold it because of the stock suspension. (Bouggt a 300 gasgas) In a way I regret it because I swear I was faster on the beta. Now I'm thinking the beta 200 race might be the go. Mostly tight singles and log hops.. I'm 72kgs.. thoughts??
Do they make the 200 with race trim now? I haven't kept up this year. I got to ride my 300rr again recently when I was in Utah (sold it to my buddy out there), and I loved it. The 300 lets me be the lazy rider I am. But when I got back into extreme terrain on my 200, the bike just felt like an extension of my body compared to the 300, and I had so much control and precision on it. Again though, I would say the chassis redesign on the 2020 models has a lot to do with it. Anyway, I don't think there is a wrong choice. I've already decided if I change bikes again I'll probably go 250 next, just because I haven't owned a 250 as my primary enduro bike yet.
I am in middle of choosing a new bike. I have been riding a KTM Freeride 350 for a long time and my riding is now killing the bike - suspension and breaks are not built for faster and aggressive riding. And I ended up looking at Beta 200 RR - but most ppl I talk to recommend getting the "racing" model due to KYB front forks. But are the Sachs forks still so behind? I see there are tons of customization options available and even possible to get Öhlins cartridge kit.
For me, honestly the suspension on my 200 is the best suspension I've experienced for my weight and usual riding, hands down. A bit too hard and harsh at first but broke in nicely. I did not like the stock suspension on my 2018 300rr, even after sending it off for a revalve it never seemed dialed. I think the new chassis of the 2020 models has a lot to do with the improved feel though and maybe could be even better with KYB? Not sure, I've only experienced KYB suspension for one ride on a yz250x but it wasnt adjusted for me so it left a lot to be desired. A freeride for me feels like almost trials bike suspension so if that's what you're used to it will be quite a shock whether you go Sachs or KYB
I'm currently riding on the 2020 BETA 200 RR and considering trying trials, based on your experience which is light years ahead of this old man would you start on a Trials 125 or 200? Im in my 50's 6'0" 210 lbs...
That's tricky because there are some riders that can perform miracles on a smaller trials bike like a 125, but even the 200 gasgas I rode for a weekend felt a bit underpowered. It was probably more so me being used to my 250 and the 200 would have done that job just fine if I didn't ride it like the 250. That being said, a smaller but modern capable bike could help you progress more quickly (for example i think i ride better on my 200 enduro than the 300 but the 300 is just excessive for most riders in my opinion). Depending on your current riding background, the 125 might be great but might leave you wanting more. I don't think the 200 would be too much or overwhelming in any way.
Wow Beta makes amazing bikes
can you compare to a xTrainer now ?
what state has these trails?
Hey man how tall are you? I’m 5’6 and 130 pounds and I want to see if I’m big enough for the 200rr
I’m on a kx100 right now and I have good time on it
@@tastypotato2732 depends on your inseam. My inseam is around 29-30 inches which is slightly short for my height of 5'10". If you have long legs for your height you might be pretty comfortable, but I suspect most 5'6 riders would find it a stretch to touch the ground
any chance this is North Carolina ? great video. thanks
Yeah you guessed it! Near Charlotte. Are you in NC?
@@DirtJunkie I was down there for battle of the goats and this looks like the place... fun time...
@@smickelsen very nice! Battle of the goats is an interesting race to say the least lol
250 perfect compromise?? not much said about them now days Love to see a test between yz250x v 250 beta
Aside from maybe getting a supermoto KTM or Beta, my next offroad dedicated bike will be a Beta 250rr. I do like the yz and would consider if it had hydraulic clutch and estart
Was
Some of this filmed at brown mtn??
Yes, a lot of the clips are from either brushy or brown mountain
Is any of this footage in Brown Mountain NC per chance? Thanks
Good eye! Yes some of this is from Brown mountain
Awesome review!!
@@DirtJunkie Haha i was about to ask the same thing i knew i recognized that rock section.
Do you still have a 200? What tires do you like to run?
My favorite rear tire was always the Kenda Ibex, although it's quite soft and probably won't hold up well if you're in desert like terrain.
guys are complaining about gas mileage... have any issues?
So riding in Colorado 6k-ft+ I think ill check out the 250RR
Just got back from a Utah and Idaho riding trip. At 8k+ ft even the 250's have noticeably less power so I'm willing to bet I wouldn't be quite satisfied with the 200 up there. Either way, my next trail bike will be a 250 since I haven't owned a modern 250 yet. Cheers.
@@DirtJunkie appreciate the feedback, would hate to buy and regret, ...
jaimerai faire le dakar avec un 200cc 2 temps
xtrainer is a good choice as you mentioned….300cc, light, low, and tractor'y
What jetting did you eventually settle on ? Nice video.
So far I've gone 1 notch leaner on the needle from stock, and I probably need to go one step leaner on the main still, maybe pilot too. Betas just seem rich all around out of the box. Going a notch leaner has improved performance quite noticeably.
@@DirtJunkie nice riding man. i enjoy your stuff. im a short fella an found a bunch of confidence with the devol lowering link on my 450. but cant find anything exept shorter springs for my new beta 200 i dont really wanna loose travel if you got the time im curious if they have a linkage set up to lower betas or if you know of any good website to get beta parts from ? cant seem to find much on rocky Mountain , motosport or even beta usa ? also what would you say the first main things to trick the 200rr would be besides pipe + gaurd, skid plate an rooster gaurds,?
You need a 300 at the start of a race and a 200 at the end , I think Kawasaki had it right years ago with the kdx200
Exactly! I'm not racing much but in the hare scrambles I've been in, I think the 200 would be where it's at, I'll have to give it a go in a hare scramble some time I've only raced it once in a hard enduro.
The old KDX bikes were great back in the day, but these new bikes are so much improved. That magic button comes in handy!!!
I see your in brown have you ever rode doe mountain in mountain city Tn
I rode doe mountain once. Pretty cool spot! Its about 2.5hrs from me.
@@DirtJunkie love your videos keep it up
all i’m hearing is the 200 will make u a more nimble and less lazy rider, both great bikes tho
Why does everyone never look at the 250s??!! Its all I have owned for the past 5-6 years and wouldn't look at a 200 or 300
Since I've now owned a 300 and a 200 and never a modern 250, that will be my next bike. I think itll be great to have tried all 3.
@@DirtJunkie I’ve owned a yz250, 2019 beta 250rr and I’m picking up my 2021 250 racing tomorrow! My friends with ktm and beta 200s love them but always say they want a bigger bike. Then all 300s have downsized or want to lol. I do think the 250 is the perfect race bike and that’s what I do
is that a seer sticker on your number plate?
Yeah, I did like the first race in the series this year (in TN I think, sasquatch?) and planned to do the whole series but then covid hit. Pretty much retired from racing now except the odd special occasion, like a desert enduro I did in Utah with a friend. Did you hit up the races this year?
@@DirtJunkie I was there as well on my 2020 200
@@SHORTENDURO Oh yes, pretty sure I saw you a few times during that race! I always notice other 200s. Do you live in TN?
@@DirtJunkie yes in nashville. Where you located?
@@SHORTENDURO I'm in Kings Mountain NC, just outside Charlotte.
300 duh!