DEAD POETS SOCIETY - NEAL WANTS TO BE AN ACTOR, HIS DAD "YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT THIS ACTING BUSINESS"
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2020
- From the Academy Award winning film, Dead Poets Society. Neal Perry and Todd Anderson are roommates at the Welton Preparatory School for boys. Neal's father is very strict and sets a rigid course for Neal to follow. Since he never had the opportunities that Neal has, he feels that he knows what is best for him - to be a doctor. Neal, however, wants to try acting, and he tries out for the neighboring high school's production of A Midsummer Night's Dream and lands a leading role as the mischievous Puck. Neal's father finds out and tells him that he has dishonored him and that he must withdraw from the play. Distraught, Neal tries pleads with his father to let him him perform because the performance is tomorrow night; his father refuses. Neal performs anyway and afterward Neal's father informs him that he is taking him out of Welton and enrolling him in a military school. Seeing that his dreams are being dashed by the stubbornness of his father, Neal is overtaken with emotion.
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Turns out Keating is the father Neil should’ve had.
It’s not just supporting the acting, it’s being supportive period.
Agreed. And allow him to have emotions, express them. Do what makes him happy.
But Mr Perry is stuck in patriarchy where men are not allowed to have emotions, where its is considered a weakness.
Actually, real life Kurtwood Smith is the father Neil should have had. He's a genuine good guy, has some good insight on how to succeed in acting, comes across as supportive.
@@lancelotfabre3530 Mr. Perry was like all men in the 50s.
I agree, As I saw this film yesterday, Mr. Keating is definitely a better father figure to Neil because he taught Neil to pursue his passion for acting.
@@JevRango Based on an interview I saw on of Kurtwood Smith, I could imagine his exchange with Neal looking like this:
"I want to be an actor."
"I see that. You got the talent, you just got to have patience and persistence. You're going to have the low periods, you're going to have moments where you'd be wishing you'd instead gone to school to be a doctor, but you stick with your passion with patience and persistence and the doors will open."
The underlying tragedy in Neal’s character is that so many of the individuals on that side of the camera probably had similar experiences, to varying degrees, with their own families, when they expressed their desire to be an actor. That’s what makes Kirkwood’s performance as Neal’s father so good - he makes us despise him, when deep down, this is his chosen vocation - his passion and fire in real life. He’s playing the antithesis of his own self. Amazing performances all around.
I've known men like Mr. Perry and there's no reasoning with them. To such people there are no alternatives and everything must be done exactly their way. They are never at fault and it's always the actions of others who are to blame and nothing is forgiven.
you are describing a narcissist
You described my father
For a sec i thought you're talking about Neil and i was like the poor boy didn't do any such things what are you talking about and then immediately realised you're talking about his dad. idiot me but you're right and this definitely describes my own father what a joke life has played.
sadly some fathers are just pricks & set in their ways. Not really the same but my former good friends father was very controlling of him. He forbid him from watching Sesame Street when he turned 3 & had to call his dad "Sir". When my friend tried to control my life I ended the friendship.
Yeah some parents just can't except their kids for being who they are and that's just messed up. And I know that in order to be a good parent you have to accept your kids for who they are.
I took a tour at a military school once. One of the instructors tells us if we enroll, make sure it’s cause WE want to, not our parents. Cause if we’re going because our parents forced us, the strong discipline of these schools will make our lives hell.
makes me glad I have a father who is kind, supportive, and loving.
You and me both. Count your blessings.
Amen dude!
Same here
same
That final cry of his name. That's the kinda cry only someone's soul can make for someone who was gone much much too soon
I’m glad Robocop took care of Neils father.
This movie was so deep for me. I have a mother like Neil's father and I relate so much to the scene when they confront and his father tells him that basically he's going to ruin his life if he doesn't conform to his wishes. Tha face of Neil and how he transmits his realization that he would never be able to really communicate with his father. His hopeless.. he felt so alone and unsupported.
I see that in social media the most important scene is when Robin William stands on his desk, or his students in the end, like the theme of the great teacher is the main point, but for me the most important and powerfull scene in this movie is this one, heartbreaking.
Carpe Diem - Neal was a great actor
Red Foreman would be proud. James Wilson became a great doctor, the Head of the Department of Oncology, even.
this kind of family dynamic still exists in my very own home, and i am reminded of its existance every single day. Everytime i feel like ending it all, i watch this scene to remind myself that i am not alone in feeling this way
You deserve happiness and a fruitful future. In twenty years or less you will look back in joy that you didn't fall victim to the family dynamic that you and many people struggle with.
Heaven bless you richly ❤
@@CyndiKangaroo Really nice of you, thank you.
I cannot believe that Neal's father was not astounded by Neal's performance. I was hoping that it would change his mind, but it didn't. I just don't understand a person like that to be controlling and would not hear what his son wants to be. That's just immoral and corrupted. I understand that this was before counter culture, but I still don't understand. It upsets me to think about it. So heartbreaking and foul.
It's a good movie. A classic. It's just the strict, conservative system that causes me to feel upset and at the same time angry. I hope you all could understand what I mean. If you do, please don't hesitate to share your thoughts.
RIP - Robin William
I feel like that was the point. His dad was controlling and seemingly cold to his son, even having Neal call him sir all the time. He was even willing to make his life miserable by shipping him of to military school for a decade, just so Neil can become the doctor HE wanted.
Could show how that conservative and traditionalist makes non-conforming kids (like Neal) either be forced to into place or left out to die.
I always felt his father had an inferiority complex also, hence his obsession with Neil getting the opportunities he never had - it's almost as if he sees it as himself getting a chance at it through Neil and not wanting to lose it. His self-inferiority is hinted upon early in the film when he visits Neil in his room - when his friends stand out of respect for him when he enters the room (as they would a member of staff) he quickly and good naturedly tells them to keep their seats, but in a way he is telling them he isn't worth standing for. If he had a high opinion of himself he would have been happy to have been stood up for, but instead does not want to see anyone stand up in his presence. Men of that generation who never had great opportunities typically worshipped unconditionally the achievements of those who did, and often obsessively tried to achieve such things through their children, not realising it may not actually be what they want.
@@MysteryManfrom79 Mr. Perry never had those opportunities because he grew up in the Great Depression and likely fought in WWII. But he was able to later afford Welton, suggesting he made good money without the education he would have coveted. Anyone who went through what he endured would be battle hardened and resistant to even an ounce of insubordination from their kids. Mr. Perry was extremely typical of men in the 50s.
Coming from a modern day conservative, both sides have a point. The repressive 50s led to rage explosive counterculture of the 60s, where tradition was tossed like a bad habit. But what happened next? The 70s, an era of criminal activity, economic collapse, losses to foreign enemies, an energy crisis, etc.
And it sucks that the dad had to force Neil in front of several supporters... Imaging celebrating with several people who are supporting you and your unsupportive mom or dad would suddenly tell the supporters to stop supporting him.
Keating's little facial expression when he realizes what happened is so powerful.
Words can’t even express how much I loathe, absolutely loathe Neil’s…
He doesn’t even deserve the title of “father“.
"Oh, my son! Oh, my poor son!"
Oh fuck off already; you aren't sad your SON is dead, you're sad your meal ticket through which you could live vicariously is dead!
Props to Curtwood Smith for playing this part so well.
Me too and I also hate how the mom didn't even stick up for Neil. She just sat there and said nothing. Unbelievable.
@@VArailfan89 Sign of the times unfortunately. She was scared to speak up without being shut down by Mr Perry.
Neal had his mother's tacit approval & support, as you can see the anguish & ambivalence that she struggled with internally (& which was oozing out in degrees). She rose in Neal's defense, yet was ultimately silenced by her domineering, authoritative, basically autocratic husband. A sign of the times, unfortunately.
Though her support, to a depth & degree undetermined, Neal had. Yet expressing it & making it the deciding factor was certainly out of the question. Mr Perry was clearly in charge, he called the shots, as he brought home the bacon, represented the reigning patriarchy, & was a product of his times & culture. Poor Neal was badly outgunned & overburdened by his father's strict, draconian demands. A crap deal indeed. Leading to a heartbreaking, senseless & altogether avoidable tragedy. Thank God the 50s are way in the past.
And I blame Mr Perry for the death/suicide of his son. He wanted to blame Mr Keating and the school was more than happy to follow suit, all Mr. Keating was doing was trying to inspire them to live their dreams.
The tragedy that his father only exhibited affection and treated him as a son in the very seconds AFTER it was too late to make a difference. After he had taken his life.
Such people should not have children
And yet Mr Perry is blaming the wrong people for his son's death. All he has to do is look in a mirror and blame that person.
Ahh this is one of my favorite films... The ending scene where the students stand on their desks in an act of defiance. Granted, how many parents would have told Neal the same thing, using the same lines and rhetoric that his father used?
Exactly! I have defied my parents and teachers many many times, and I'm not ashamed to do it. We are teenagers, bitches. We go out in the world wrecking havoc so we can find ourselves in our own way, and my generation is very misunderstood. We are told to behave, to look beautiful and do as we're told. But what if we don't agree with the orders we're given? What if we see or hear something that isn't right? Teenagers are supposed to be rebellious. They were made to shine, whether the older generation likes it or not. I swear, if I were ever forced to go to military school, I would give the officers a good snap and the taste of my middle finger. We're still trying to understand ourselves, so let us do it our fucking way. I don't care if I'm messing with authority, I mess with whoever I feel messing with. If we're criticized for doing things our way, it's their fucking problem. Raise your sweet middle finger to the sky, cause we don't give a fuck. And, before you say something, of course it's the hormones. So what? Hormones are natural. You can say our generation is doomed, which is very funny, cause it was your generation that suffered World War II, so your generation was also doomed once. Why the fuck are you also saying that about us?
Whatever you do, just know that your mind belongs to your fucking body which belongs to you. Be whoever you want to be, and don't bother the consequences. They exist everywhere so we can learn with them.
I know this comment is long, but I hope you understand what I wanted to tell
@@raquiolinha2507 everything you just wrote is misinformed and the reason why your generation is actually doomed. Good luck to your generation. Other generations have their popcorn out watching the shit show
Great movie. A lot of lessons here. Ironic Robin Williams committed suicide later in life.
Be kind to each other and don't be afraid to pull someone aside you love and trust and pour your heart out to them.
Robin suffered from mental illness..
Neal Perry's dad is played by the actor who played the evil Clarence Bodicker in the first robocop film. While he is not as bad in this, it is very fitting that he plays such parts. He is intent on living his own life again through his son. He treats his son like an inferior soldier in an army. His wife, Neals mother is a silent partipant who just agrees with Neals dad, obviously subjected to the same dominance and repression as Neal is. I don't know which film was out first. I remember watching this film as a child with my uncle and I am 41 now so it must be fairly old.
He also played the Klan leader, Stump, in “A Time To Kill.”
Neil's dad reminds me so much of my own and that's why Neil is my favorite character although I act more like Todd does in my own life. That scene where he wants to tell his dad what he feels but he can't even bring himself to is so real. Because you just know/realize deep inside they will never understand you and they won't even try. The fear and the anger and the bitter resentment, it just sucks because you want to love your parent(s) but it's hard when they treat you like nothing, or like you aren't a human being with feelings, just an extension of themselves. Or when he makes Neil get in the car just brings back so many memories of my dad picking me up from being out with friends and I was late to answer his phone call by like a couple of minutes and when he came and picked me up he was driving super crazy and being really passive aggressive with me and I was genuinely scared, and THEN he goes on to guilt trip and yell at me. It's just an awful sinking feeling, complete dread. I wish my dad was like Mr. Keating, I feel like I would be a lot better off had my dad not shattered my self-esteem whether he meant to or not.
Neil's father and his authoritarian attitude was the reason Neil Killed himself 😪
And they still have the guts to make the school take action and blame someone.
For real I really hate his parents
Typical narcissists.
@@Lilly-hh9esEverything is always everyone else’s fault but theirs.
It was angering that his dad was so naive in realizing he was the one to blame in his sons death.
1:20 the dad teaching his son not to keep his promises and commitment ? That is bad advice right there
Poor Neil. He deserved sm better.🥺 I hate his dad sm, and his mom seems nice, but she didn't stick up for him. I relate, bc I want to be an actor too and my parents are pretty stern about it in terms of how hard it is, but they just want me to be smart about it. They're not saying I can't do it like Neil's dad is doing here. If I were Neil, I would've run away from home and stayed with a friend or just gotten a job and moved out when I finally have enough money.
Kurtwood Smith is an amazing actor. I hated his guts as Mr. Perry and as Red Foreman, he makes me laugh. Any actor that can do that, has an amazing range.
Agreed!! But how can you hate Red Foreman he was the BESTTTT
Red Foreman was not hateful. Just a harmless buffoon.
Kurtwood Smith is a really great actor.
I saw this movie once in high school and it is great I definitely recommend the acting was spot on, in the film at the end it ticked me off that neil's (he don't deserve to be called a father.) was never punished not called out once. Kurkwood Smith did a great job at playing a lothsome controlling hack that makes the audience hate this character more, that's Grade A acting.
I just watched That 70s Show with Smith as Red Foreman. Foreman looked like a harmless buffoon next to Mr. Perry.
You just cant repress him and obligue him the to live the life he doesnt want. Yes, he could have been a great doctor, probably he would have gotten great joys, like a great job, and sons and daughters, and no economic problems, and friends, etc, etc, etc.
Its just the life he doesnt want. Its a lie. You cant handle that. A charge you dont want to deal with, for the rest of your life. And its not about teaching a lesson, and becoming a martyr or some moral stuff you could interpret from this movie.
I rather die with the truth, with dignity, with BALLS, than live that crappy life.
Imagine if social media was existing in 1989 when this movie was released and also within the movie itself... The dad would probably go viral on social media if he is seen on cameras berating Mr keating and the other people supporting Neil specially if there are several supporters who are holding their phones or cameras and recording the footage
This was 1959.
WOAH. GREAT INSIGHT.
I would like to hope that Todd Anderson wrote a letter to Mr. Perry maybe sometime after graduation stating all the facts and ending it with “You, and you alone, are the reason your only child is dead and I hope the knowledge of this fact gives you immense misery for the rest of your empty life.”
YES
Well he did become a doctor!
You know even if the fathers character had a rough upbringing himself I will still never forgive him. Even for the time, what he did was pathetic of any parent.
Both of my parents were jackasses too.
When I watched this for the first time and saw Neal’s monster of a father come to the school, I thought, no, I had hoped that it was because he was going to apologize to Neal for wanting him to quit, him realizing that he was going to be great, and realizing that he was wrong about what what he had said. How unfortunate it was that it ended the way it did. Rest in peace, Neal Perry.
heartbreaking
I wonder what Neil's mother wanted to say, when she started with "we've been so worried about-" 🤔 a pity that Mr. Perry shut her down
It was obvious she wasn't allowed any input into the matter.
Everyone in this cast was lucky enough to work with Robin Williams
That’s a rough scene to watch.
Powerful.
that old brought them on himself had he not been so strict and stubborn his kid would still be in the land of the living I kinda sensed this would be neal's fate
Neil’s father is evil
No. Not quite evil, per se.
I do think his father meant well and wanted the best for his son.
But he was a control-freak with his overbearing authority
and choked the life right out of him.
Not evil, just pragmatic.
I totally agree with you. He killed his son
@@Enigmatism415 More like psuedo-pragmatic.
He's not. Evil is about being driven by moral corruption and results in rebellion and destruction. He was not morally corrupt, he did not do this just to make his son miserable.
Such a fantastic movie
Why, Mr. Keating, of course. The Captain himself!
I still don't get it. I've never applied for an Ivy League School, but I would think having an extra curricular activity like Shakespeare actor on the Harvard application would get you bonus points.
Yes and that's the reason why some people interpret the acting thing as a metaphor for Neil's homosexuality. Cause it makes more sense when you imagine his father's fear of feminine behavior/activities (that he doesn't want Neil to act cause it could make him gay)
@@jub6973 Who the heck interpreted it like that?! I just saw it as he really liked acting. Just like he really likes being part of the newspaper.
@@TDI_CharlieBrown there are a few articles and videos about it
Instead of killing himself, Neil could've run away to Hollywood or Broadway to get acting jobs.
Strange how the father never blamed himself...
And that is of course because Neal's dad was a malignant narcissist akin to real-life U.S. President Donald Trump who never is willing to admit shame or guilt for wrong-doing.
I do consider that kind of cases as intelectual massacres. Imagine that you send your son one of the best schools and want him to be an ordinary, simplex person. Riducilious
As much as Kurtwood Smith makes you hate him, you still feel sorrow at his dismay over his son's death. The overbearing father loves his Son, too well.
Kurtwood Smith is such a fucking badass dude, I love him so much.
Hes the best.
Kurtwood Smith is a real-life Neil, completely different from all the characters he plays.
The father is a mean, heartless s.o.b. Ther are many like him.
Most parents in the 50s were like this. Mr. Perry looks like a villain, but he was very average for this era.
It's highly likely, like most men his age, he grew up in the Great Depression - hence why he could never dream of the opportunities Neil had. No matter how smart or hard working he was, the Depression slammed those doors shut.
It was highly likely he served in WWII, and veterans normally are battle-hardened and breed a culture of conformity. It's the way things were in the military. That's why he was very stern and overbearing, like most men coming home from the war.
Neil never knew the trials his parents endured. He grew up in relative comfort, and felt the need for self-expression.
Perry's hardened mindset also make him utterly failed to see that there are many ways a person can be success in life. I mean why the hell he sees that being a doctor is a one-way ticket to success. I mean in his life time, there are many great artists and actors and actresses make more money than most doctors and the public worship them like deities. Is he too fucking stupid to not be able to see the vision if his son excelled in his acting, he would be in the sea of fans and wealth and many doctors would be jealous of it
@@tomxaider2058 You just made me look up doctors' salary in the 50s, yeah it's just under $30K (adjusted for inflation, that's probably $300K). That was about triple your average Hollywood actor's salary, although there were a handful who made ten times that. So, you're right, even in the 50s, some actors could make more than doctors - if they are extremely lucky.
About Perry (and your average 50s parent), try walking in his shoes, and then you'll find out how hard it is to change. Parents in the 60s and 70s were a bit more open-minded, especially after Dr. Spock and the counter-culture backlash.
10% of the men who fought in ww2 were gay
Well he needed to get with the times.
@@Black.Sabbath Try walking in his shoes, then you'll see how hard it is to "get with the times." Especially when you not only lived through the rough times of the depression and war, but you also see history repeating itself.
Today I watched this movie for the third time and for the first time I recognized that one of the girls kisses Neil right after the play
Neal's dad is a living example of how a parent should NEVER be to their children.
Physical abuse is bad, but mental abuse is among the worst, it will never go away.
Well, in other life he became a doctor. Doctor Wilson on House MD❤
He could have done both. 😢
It's one thing if your parents want to direct your life if you are doping your life up almost to death, but to have parents telling you "You are going to to do this, you are going to Harvard and are going to become a doctor" like Mr Perry was doing in this movie, that is so wrong. Why would parents want to force their children into what career they think they should be in instead of what they want to be in and what makes them happy? Neil Perry's death I blame fully for his father, not John Keating.
His father was Satan
Neil's father is too narrow-minded in how to view a successful person and not to mention insanely ignorant. I mean he ignorantly failed to even gasp the whole idea that there are famous actors and actresses who are passionate and excel in this craft, making more money than any doctors in their lifetime not to mention fame and glory that no doctors can even dream to have. By discouraging his son from his passion, he never realize that his action made it clear that he sees that all the greatest actors and actresses not to mention the whole entertainment industry are worthless in his eyes even thought these people mark names in history and the entire industry worth billions of dollars. Because of his shortsightedness and ignorance, he never realizes that he not only destroys his son potential but also making him into someone he never wants to be, which destroying his future too as if Neil was alive and followed his guidance, he would end up as a lousy doctor not a good doctor.
I seriously think his father can only learn his mistakes when his son ends up being a bad doctor since at that time he will realize that his son is not meant to be a doctor
Based dad
Not gonna lie I don’t think it’s the parents fault that he killed himself. They were blinded by their own needs and wants, and although it must be very hard to be denied your vision, nor see proof of love, you have a whole life ahead of you. He also had a huge support system around him, could’ve just bullshitted some explanation to his dad honestly.
Nah bro it's the parents fault they could have supported him and if didn't work out at least they know Neil was able to try it himself
Well, Neil did have an option. He could have run away from home.
@@broadstreet21 yeah and be homeless for a long period of time
@@ninaparker3332 Well, better that then committing suicide.
@@ninaparker3332he could've stayed with one of his friends
Mr. Thomas Perry (Neal's dad) was an authoritarian jerk who wanted to be obeyed as if he were God almighty himself and that is what ultimately drove his son to commit suicide and if that suicide happened in real-life it would have been more tragic than even James Dean's death in an automobile accident as at least we got to see him make three movies altogether while we would never have gotten to see Neal Perry make it in the movie business period as his father's overly-stern and rigid use of parental authority would have driven him to suicide before that could happen.
To me at least, this makes Dead Poets Society an example of a Shakespearean tragedy
Harvard, wow!!! and a doctor!! a doctor from Harvard!!! how could he not give that a chance?!?!?!?
Because that's not what he wanted simple
@@nigelsimon8865 yep, you cant be happy being what you dont wanna be. What someone elses want for you. The vision of you they have is THEIRS, and that perception should not interfere in what you are, in what you do, in your every day life.
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A decent but formulaic film.
How?
Mr. Perry was right.
Explain
Explain why you think Mr. Perry was right in controlling and dominating the life of his son Neal?
The Dad is a Republican and an utter Conservative lol
内閣総理大臣に、何をしたか？
被害者とは?
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守るべき御小姓たち
メインパーク
中央になる核は、わかりますか？
心臓部は、わかりますか？
政治は、正式か?
ＭI6伊東智美CIA伊東智美
軍法会議は、何ですか?
会議は、ありましたか?
実際には。
イギリス連邦
イートン校
アメリカ合衆国は、真似たか?
日本政府は、もっと真似たか?
制服に、対して。
ビジネスか?
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plot twist, he faked his own death, actually went to school medicine and changed his name to James Wilson :P
And that is why having a gun at home is the first cause of suicide in the family.