Meat or Pet? | Is There Another Way?
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2022
- After six years living on a homestead in rural Ireland with pigs, ducks, chickens, rabbits and other livestock, I tackle the question which I'm asked more than any other... do I eat them? The answer isn't as black and white as some would like it to be.
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“He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.”
~ Emmanuel Kant
Agreed. Look at the way animals are butchered to be 'halal'. It tells one a lot about islam.
Yes!!!
If you kill an animal to eat it, you're not cruel. What do you eat to compensate the meat? I want to make some research before becaming vegetarian. I don't eat a lot of meat tho.
Hi Daniel, your videos have helped me overcome a very dark period in my life. I used to just play your videos in the background during the day or when I went to bed. Thank you!
Hopefully you are feeling better. Nothing lasts forever, keep moving forward, best wishes
If everyone lived your lifestyle 90% of the world's apparent problems would vanish in an instant. Inspirational, keep up the good work!
this is how pretty much everyone lived before the industrial revolution. the greatest achievement of mankind is to destroy itself
If......!
So, so much contained in those two letters.......
I agree but unfortunately perhaps there's too many people on this earth to all be able to live like this.
Perhaps, but once you include all the pasture land that would be freed up and is currently being used so inefficiently, then maybe not. World arable land right now works out at about 1/3 of an acre per person which would be enough according to the video
@@gothakane major understatement ......!!
What a fantastic explanation and consideration for using your animals on your homestead thanks for explaining how I feel and think about how things should be done right God Bless 🙏
Like everything else I've seen here, you've given this a lot of thought and explain your philosophy very well. I agree with you 100% and wish more people felt the same way about the treatment of all creatures and the planet. All the work you have put into Mossy Bottom shines through in the peacefulness and beauty of the place and its inhabitants. Well done!
"A good man looks after the welfare of his animals" Proverbs 12:10. I feel less weird now, for treating our ducks like pals, and refusing to eat them! A sensible opinion that is practical and adds JOY! Lately, God seems to be drawing our family to a more simpler life-a life I imagine is as close as we can get to how God had things set up in the first place before we came in and messed it all up. I came across your videos looking for advice to help me restore our garden/pond after 11 years of neglect. Your info is so easy to understand, but you also remind us so much of our adult son, whom we miss terribly. His name just happens to be...Noah :) God bless you and keep on keeping on. You are on to the secret to sanity I think brother!
I 100% agree. I’ve never heard this message so clearly and beautifully stated.I love the way your animals work for you and you work for them; how lucky you all are, companions and always giving and creating life. I just love this. I’m always looking for your videos. So life-giving. Thank you again, Daniel.
Thank you Daniel, you have my upmost respect. I set up a homestead in West Cork after living abroad in San Francisco for 14 years and Berlin for 3 years. Myself and my husbands apartment was flooded in 2018, hailstones the size of golf balls fell in mid August. Our hand-painted murals, art, photos and possessions were all destroyed in the flood. We left Berlin heartbroken. We started again in West Cork and had chickens, the chickens showed us their personalities and would come into our home and sit on our laps, they were our friends and helped us overcome loneliness in a new setup and cheered us up on difficult days. We stopped eating animals as a result. We are environmentalists like yourself and we are now vegans. We saved two orphan lambs, their farmer didn't vaccinate their mothers and their mothers died painful deaths. We brought the lambs home and bottle fed them, they were both on their last legs and almost died. We've have had the two lambs for a year and 3 months now and they are best friends, they roam free and are far smarter than framers claim. The lambs zoom around our modest set up and they are protective of us, themsleves and "their" property. They are territorial. We call them our "guard dogs". They show us so much personality, they come to their names, they understand many many words, they cheer us up when we are sad about how humans mistreat nature, animals and the environment. They are very bright and compassionate and they make our lives happier. We don't believe in eating or hurting animals but I have great respect for you because of what you've said in this video. You are not vegan but you live by similar beliefs to us. Happy animals, given happy lives, treated with respect and freedom and if at the end the owner eats them after they've had good lives, then I understand that although I don't believe in ending a life myself. We eat plants and have lots of energy and look much younger than we are. We are in our late 30's- early 40's but people think we are in our early 20's.
Any way, thank you for respecting animals and for being a compassionate and wise person. If only the world had more Daniels, it wouldn't look as cruel as it does.
Your chickens look absolutely amazing. You can see they are living their best life with glossy plumage, wonderful red cockscombs etc
Really admire your way of life and your commitment to animal welfare on your homestead.
I do hope it is not lost on everyone in the comments section just how privileged every last one of us are. Not only do we have the luxury of a computer but we are so well fed that we can debate what is 'ethical' to eat or not to eat. Having food security is only a dream for a lot of the world.
I agree. But if much of that world were educated in permaculture techniques and not prevented from having access to land they would be able to have food security. If you take away from a person that means of producing their own food you can effectively enslave them. Food insecurity is a method of slavery and there is no need for it anywhere on this planet. There is huge abundance from the Arctic poles to the Hottest of desertsand everywhere in between. ;-)
This is why I love following you Daniel and your beautiful farm. 💚 The world will never be completely vegan BUT we need to review (and end) the whole factory farming process. It is torturous and horrible for the animals and for the humans working in those industries. It is all based on greed and profits. It is a grey area but I wish humans would at least stop and look at where their meat comes from before they make a purchase. 🐑🐖🐄
I agree and while I don't agree with veganisim, because I eat eggs and use wool from my sheep, I think we should try to live more ethically and with consideration.
I agree Marg.Its all about supply and demand with intensive farming.If we don’t demand the supply chain will breakdown and the money will drop out of the market.The animals will be better off and we will rekindle the respect that has been gone for too long now.
Yes. And no. Yes it's based on greed and profit, but factory animal farming is just part of monocrop agriculture which is 100% based on growing crops(plants). There is no separate animal factory farming and crop farming. They are part of the same system. Organic farming is very much part of the same.. scheme. Modern agriculture is totally dictated, not by farmers but the rest, the supermarkets, the fertilizer producers etc. They just want you to eat mostly seeds, some day, nothing but seeds, because that's how they make money and that is the greed of food production system we live in. Long way we have strayed away from hunter-gathering to this technology enriched greedy reality where we are the only species on earth that doesn't even know what to eat.
As always, very well thought out Daniel. When you were rubbing the pigs belly it made me laugh. Your animals are blessed to have such a kind person to over see their needs and happiness 🌻🌻
I’ve been a subscriber for quite a while and my admiration and respect has grown and grown. This particular video is frankly inspiring ….notice one key point: his views on life are LEARNED from life…a bit at a time evolving. And another thought I’d like to share: his cottage and land were effectively abandoned as being “uneconomical”. All over Europe there are versions of Mossy Bottom…places that have given So much in the past….and have much to give again. It isn’t about “going back”;it’s about going forward with the riches we have inherited from the past.
Amazing explanation of how animals should be treated, and sharing your profound thoughts, i really enjoy your presentation skills, and knowledge and agree 110% on your thoughts. I have chickens also and they live their lives out until they die of natural causes even if they "don't lay any longer" i find that they have earned their keep with all the eggs they gave over the years.
That is beautiful, you seem like a lovely and compassionate person, I wish we had more people like you and Daniel. Regards from Ireland x
@@drabireland thanks for your comments much appreciated 👍 stay safe Alan
You are a rare gentleman sir.
Absolutely agree!
Your philosophy about animals is so inspiring, and it is how I feel as well whenever anyone asks me why I don't eat meat. It's also wonderful to see someone living a life that is not based on exploitation and greed. Thank you!
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Was a pleasure as always. Seeing happy animals such as yours always makes me smile for hours. So, I'll smile for a bit tonight. Thanks.
I watch a lot of UA-cam these days. AndIn my opinion this channel is one of the best . Educational entertaining and authentic. If Daniel keeps this up over the next few years this will become a global sensation. More people are waking up and this is exactly the Type of video channel I will seek out
Another insightful, thoughtful and thoroughly inspiring video. Thank you for sharing your lovely life with all those of us who can’t do the same but wish we could.❤
I mostly agree with you, however the ability to unemotionally kill an animal even humanely and for a good reason is completely alien to me. I have had animals euthanised and would kill an animal for food if my life depended on it but with a great deal of sorrow.
I agree. The thought of respecting an animal and then killing it for food when there are other options does not compute in my brain.
@@Silvia-0 Yes I have to admit I have been a vegetarian for 40yrs so I am very biased. For 26 years before that I could only eat meat that was heavily disguised, I was never able to eat flesh obviously carved off the carcass of an animal even as a child. The thought of killing another being has always horrified me. I can't really explain why it took until I was 26 to decide to be a vegetarian.
@@ziggarillo well, it’s not something our society encourages us to focus on, so I can understand it, especially 40 years ago. I can appreciate the quality of life an animal had before being killed does count for something and if a person is going to eat meat, they should be concerned about how the animals were treated. Unfortunately, being a humane meat eater in a public setting is probably more difficult than being vegetarian or vegan these days. So for convenience sake, it is simply easier to abstain from eating animals.
Daniel, you've given so much food for thought here. Thank you for such a salient, clear point of view on this topic. I've been vegan for many years and have been on a homestead for about 6 years. Vegan/vegetarian homesteaders constantly find ourselves in a state of dissonance when it comes to raising animals that are not meant for consumption. There is this delicate balance between animal use/value and ethical treatment of those animals. You've put some things into perspective for me in this video, and I am most grateful. Keep up the amazing work.
Thank you for addressing this so well. It does the heart good to see happy animals that get to be animals full-time, and there's a lot of residual good you're spreading beyond your topics.
I think this is so right. A great explanation of the interconnectedness that there can be between nature and humans - an interconnectedness that is sadly missing in so much of modern society and the way it works. A truly holistic way of life that respects nature and all living beings. Thanks for putting into words what you do and why you do it, a truly special video.
Background doggo staring at that bunny is the cutest thing I have seen in a while 😍
You have thought carefully about your actions and you face the implications of those personal choices. That's all anyone can do. Once someone does that, they deserve respect and the freedom to live they way they have deemed ethical and true to themselves.
As a vegan myself, I'm not sure if I agree with all of your decisions. But there's nothing wrong with that. As you prefaced at the start of the video, everyone deserves the right to follow the path that is right for us as individuals.
Love the channel!
Well said Daniel. We live on a realm where everything eats each other, otherwise known as nature!
@@bdmenne I think it’s an abomination, but it is what it is. Nature is real. Where are we, how did we get here and what are we here for are also the questions a healthy mind should have…
@@_selenelion_ You can answer those questions: When life began aka the origin, YOU can trace your life form all the way back to. It is some billions of years old. This strain of life on Earth is in an unremarkable part of the galaxy we call the Milky way and an unremarkable part of the visible/known universe. We are a product of evolution in our organic forms and obey those principles, humans are also incipient sentient beings and able to transform beyond those limitations of evolutionary behaviour from time to time what might be called a sane HUMAN MIND.
To reflect and react emotionally to that ie "abomination" is a basic reaction and not as above from the full HUMAN MIND.
You could have answers those questions yourself but created your own limitation preventing you from doing so.
@@commentarytalk1446 So, broken down, your claim is that life on this realm “does not eat each other?”
@@_selenelion_ No, I'm saying as much as life can appear to be an abomination, it can equally appear to be miraculous. Neither take precedence.
As to what we eat, the video shows Daniel eating very ethically: He rears and cares well for the animals and as such the environment he creates, it is ethical for him to eat animals as his diet.
That is very different from both industrial farming and vegan ideology.
So youre fine with me killing and eating you, since ”everything eats each other”?
Really enjoyed your thoughtful and candid video. Thank you!
So glad you did this video, one of your best. Totally agree with you wholeheartedly. It all comes down to respect for all animals and living ethically and with compassion. Wish everybody could see it like you and me. Thank you so much Daniel, I love you even more now xx
You’re a welcome voice of common sense in a world of extemes. Thank you
I love the way you present your philosophy. Very clear and concise. Here in South Africa sadly we gave to cull animals on game reserves because otherwise they would starve to death. Yes there are always comprises . Thank you for your wonderful uplifting videos
Always enjoy your philosophical chats. I have a third of an acre in a older suburban neighborhood; a few people in the area have chickens. I have a long way to go, but each year try to make a few improvements and try to grow an additional crop. Patience is key. :)
how Deliciously thoughtful, deep and wise are this takeouts from your videos dear... what a tons of value and change this can be to understand this and be able to articulate and share, so genuine and so touchy. appreciate your good fate and good will.
Take a look at Farmer Phil county Longford he’s a very caring person and all there cow’s are well cared for and welfare is a hundred percent loved 🥰 the video and with you all the way.Take care love mossy as well .Peace to Ireland 🇮🇪
You are always so thoughtful, Daniel. The insight is always welcomed. Cheers 🦆🐔🐇🐖🌱
As always, a deep, thoughtful piece on your approach and values. Well done.
Thank you for explaining that all so well. Totally agree with you! The idea of seeing animals as working companions was very helpful...
You explained your view very clearly. I and all my family eat meat. But we have cut back a lot in recent years and now eat more vegetarian meals. You have created a lovely Eden for yourself there and it would be nice if we could all do as you have done but all we have is a suburban garden where I grow veggies, I hope to increase my veg growing every year as I get rid of more of my less than pristine lawn. I agree that everyone should have choice, and more than that choice is freedom, if we don't have choice we have dictatorship. I'm going all gooey over your cute little baby chicks, they're adorable. Enjoy.
I’m in total agreement about individual choice. Many homesteaders have this same philosophy. And the great lives their animals lead.
Only one “bad” day.
I learn so much with each video you post! Thank you so much!!!
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This is a wonderful information and video! We have in Finland a little farm and struggled with this issue: eat the meat or not to eat. For now, we've been eating the eggs, like you, and we've had milking goats and now a cow, they produse to us milk, yoghurt, butter, cream etc. And we value those a lot. But we also love our animals very very much, so even tough we think also that it would be ethical to eat our roosters and so on, it's not easy to us. And so many homesteaders talk about that you MUST eat your own meat. You gave so good information and evaluation why you don't NEED to do it, there are nother ways to see things! Thank you! And welcome to Finland! I saw the video where you showed the house where you have moved with your family. Interesting to see how it is for you living here 😃
Whenever I watch one of your videos you always talk directly from my heart...
Excellent video yet again Daniel!
Daniel your point of view is always refreshing!
It's nice to see you doing so well there on your land. I remember watching you as you began there. Nice to see your dog.
Thank you Daniel, you have put it so well. What a compassionate and intelligent human being you are!
A great and uplifting video Daniel .
Thank you
Greetings from Mexico to all the mossy bottom residents and followers. You handle these complex issues quite well. I admire well thought out arguments having studied philosophy and mathematics. In the comment section there is a lot of response, which I expected, but what I didn't expect is the how rational and kind everyone is. For me this is the height of civilization. I find it curious that one of the commentators doesn't think that birds are responsive. Any naturally social animal will have interactive capabilities, I watched a documentary about crows who would mutually help each other remove tracking devices (smile).
As for the overriding question as to whether everybody could live a mossy bottom life style, I think the best we can do is to reduce our carbon footprint as much as we can and learn as much as we can.
Best of luck to all of you out there in comment-land. Jim Oaxaca, Mexico
your videos are the best!! love them. thanks Daniel.
Absolutely brilliant. You articulate this subject perfectly. X
Such an enjoyable video. Many thanks for your very mature and balanced reflections upon animals life and service in a homestead.
Well thought out and presented. Well done! The earth and all its critters thank you.
Thank you for your balanced, well considered viewpoint as always. This is yet another great example of how we can participate in a small ecosystem that benefits the whole while sustaining us 🙌
I did a retake when you scratch the pigs belly so cute I'm a NZ girl and those pigs come from here thanks for your wonderful videos x
That is a very honest, taughtful and observational rich look at the world around you
Beautifully done. Very well thought through. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing! Loved the Vlog!❤️
LOL... I have the same setup and with all the rain I am soaked by the time I have gotten past all the wet branches and leaves! Thank you for putting my views into such a concise and meticulously well thought out format... I have said all of these things over the years, but never collated like this... fabulous. This is one for the Animal Playlist for my clients and students!
Love the depth of your thinking! ❤️
A wonderful explanation! Love the little diddy at the end of the video, too.
VERY WELL SAID, and much impressive!!!
You're setting a grand example for others to follow!!!
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I really like the sincerity with which you treated this delicate subject! congratulations!👍👍👍
I love the kind of person that you’re and your mindset.
Loved this video, really interesting. Thank you 😊
Greetings Daniel, from Windermere, Florida zone 9b USA 🇺🇸
Wow! You truly have done your homework on carbon, cost and care.
Well done 🌿💚🌿
You are living a wonderful life 💓
Thank you, Daniel, for sharing your thoughts re your animals❤️👏👏
Very strong message. I love your attitude to animals.
You have such a wonderful and clear way of saying what I have felt for years ,thank you so very much for giving me words
everything you do Daniel from start to finish is very inspiring...
We really enjoyed this one. Your animals are very well cared for and loved. The pig patch is ready for planting, they've done an amazing job in clearing the ground havnt they. Well don piggies. All the best.
Thank you for this lovely video! I am keeping some animals in an urban backyard as well for egg and company. Your perspective is so well rounded and shed new light for me for the practice :)
Just when I thought couldn’t love your channel any more!
Thank you for sharing! Big hugs for Moss!
what a lovely life view, practical and kind. Thanks for the video's!
Pefect explanation Dan, I would not be able to add something.
Keep your spirit, you are on the right way.
As always, I love your videos. Good lessons to be learned from this video. Thank you and be safe.
Thanks, very enjoyable and well put.
Nice video Daniel! we would love to listen to a folk story told by you! can´t wait to see a video about that series! they are amazing ☺
There's another one coming soon! :)
What a lovely way to live. :)
Have you thought of making silage for winter feed?
A good protein supplement for chickens and ducks is black soldier fly larva. I've seen several videos on UA-cam about them and I'm sure you could make your own compost bin and collection system for them.
I'm lucky to live surrounded by farmers who love all their animals. Some people even have chickens in their back gardens, and I've seen two huge turkeys, just down my street, free ranging.
Jon in rural BC, Canada
So interesting Daniel - your open views are so carefully put forward, so you are not saying there is just one way. As long as we respect, and care for our world, then we are doing out best, in our own way. xxx
Glad to see moss wasn't too worried by this video!!!
Mossyman isn't Korean! 😉
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This is my Favourite UA-cam Channel. It is strengthen it's position by upload after upload.
Thank you for your Content!
As close to my ethics that has ever been expressed in a single video. Plus I've just moved up the road to a place in Donegal, so thank you for the inspiration!
Now I know what the beautiful rabbits are for! I’m fascinated with your homestead life. Thanks for all great videos. I always learn something! I only have some raised beds in Toronto, but long for space & animals.
I read Moomintroll books to my kids & loved the drawings & aspect of simple pleasures of life, too. 🙂
Keep up the good work.
Such a wonderful video ~ I totally agree with everything you have said here. It’s a privilege to have animals as working companions ⭐️🧡
So well and thoughtfully explained.
I completely agree with this! I always feel thankful to the animals that provide me sustenance and respect them.
Always enjoy your insights. All your animals have great lives.
"Working companions" Beautifully described showing mutual respect for another living creature's value. Thank you for your insight and best wishes to you and Moss.
I total agree with the ethical way in which you live 👌
I've been meaning to mention, it sounds like you singing n playing the guitar at the end with credits, which I thoroughly enjoy 👌😃 you have a wonderful life and make so much sense, Well Done n Thankyou! 👌🍀😃🌱Jen from Oz
I love the symbiotic relationship you have with your animals and I agree with what you said about farming practices and meat. 👍💙
You have an awesome life, thank you for sharing your point of view. Helps a lot. Keep safe and be an inspiration always 😘
Your animals live better lives than most people. A natural life is a blessing. Perhaps one day I will have a similar homestead. Cheers!
AGREE 100% THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SHARE. YOU ARE MY INSPIRATION!
pure inspiration, thanks so much!
Brilliant content. Thank you.
Beautiful...simply Beautiful. I couldn't express it better. I have a tiny place in the nature, where I have the pleasure of growing food, raising chickens and ducks and plant trees...love every minute of it.
Great video. We are smallholders and do raise our own meat ethically. I enjoyed hearing your views. Take care! Tracy and Steven, North East England
Thank you Daniel for sharing your thoughts regarding animals as meat or pets based on your observations, experiences & personal values!!
The older I get the less meat I eat!
I truly love eggs (2 a day in some form 😋), I only purchase wild-caught fish for consumption and most days prefer to eat mostly vegetarian meals! I lived on a lake for almost 30 years & took pride & enjoyment eating what I caught!
I admire you for sooo many reasons & this video was a great example!!
I just discovered your channel and I am binge watching your videos. The information and insight you provide are awesome. Although I’ll never live the dream (too old, too poor, and live in the U.S.), I do enjoy your videos very much! I love Ireland, too, having visited a couple of times over the years. I spent time in Tipperary this past spring.
This video is especially near and dear to my heart because I agree with your philosophy 100%. On that note, have you considered a series on how you utilize the produce from your garden to feed yourself all year? Do you can or somehow preserve your food? Do you cook a lot? I may be in the minority but I think that would be interesting too see. Best wishes.
I really loved this video, thank you.
Yes! So well explained. Thank you.