cutting the angle is good, yes, but i'd say the problem here was you didn't let go when put in a dangerous position. the second you feel yourself getting twisted in a dangerous way--especially involving you neck--just let go, give up position, it's not worth getting terribly injured over. that looked pretty bad, glad you're ok. stay safe.
@@JackSimpsonBJJ Thanks for sharing. This is interesting to me and it does highlight a feature of current jiu jitsu I’ve noticed. I started training in 2005 (got my black belt in 2017). When I first started competing things were still pretty freestyle at most comps and could be pretty unsafe. As a consequence we all had to be careful to make sure we were never allowing ourselves to be put in dangerous positions. A big part of this was to let go of submissions when you start getting lifted or otherwise put in a bad position. Anyway I’m glad you are OK and are willing to share this.
@@TheloniusJ the sport has changed so much but, it’s still a combat sport. There’s more rules and regulations in competition now but if either athlete makes a mistake, he could still seriously injure himself or his opponent, which is never nice. Thanks for the interesting take.
@JackSimpsonBJJ This is a really good point. If you feel yourself getting stacked, even by an opponent you are much better than, just give up the position. You know you've got a good triangle, but just give it up in that moment.
He also didn’t set up the triangle properly. Wrong leg around the back of the neck and trying to lock up on the side without the shoulder. If he had set up his triangle properly, and cut the angle to the correct side (opposite the shoulder), none of this would have happened
Brother I wish you all the best in life. I partially tore my ACL because of a shitty aggressive Osoto Gari.. the guy was full of Ego and just kick in my knee, after rehab and many hours of Leg strengthening I’m fine now. I will look up to go to class tomorrow, but you’re Video just showed me (once more) how dangerous it can be. From now on my philosophy in Bjj is, -Master technique, be healthy and able to self defense but never ever compete -Tap early and often -Never roll with the wrong guys, no ego at that point -communicate that you don’t want to get injured, I like to go 60-70% with a guy you know, maybe 80% -100% -Training partners that now each other will probably never injure each other (big injuries) Greetings from Germany, OSSSS👍🏼
That’s a great philosophy to train by bro! I may adopt that if you don’t mind, just experimenting with different things to try and minimise the risk of injury!
I used to train with a 6'3" accountant that was a black belt, and would wreck all the pro fighters in the gym. You'd assume he would be a traditional full guard triangle guy, but he slipped a disc being stacked in the past. He has an amazing butterfly guard, and kimura trap game now. I stacked him once. He immediately gave up the position, I could see his anger, then he wrecked me. Work around your injuries.
Very scary and awkward twist on your back. I suggest you do a follow up video showing what you mean about cutting the angle - I think that would be engaging for your followers and something we can all learn from. Good luck on the recovery. Take your time, too!
Good luck with your recovery. In terms of lessons learned for your future I’d say, as soon as your opponent postures, unless you’ve already got the triangle locked (which you didn’t), move on and bail on it. If you hold the legs up there you’re just going to get passed. And this isn’t the adcc where it’s worth the injury risk to cling on and even attempt to lock it up when they stand up and so on. I’ve competed many times across all my belts (white, blue, purple, brown). Unless you’re trying to go pro or make a living from bjj, it is absolutely not worth getting into dangerous positions or hanging onto subs for a $2 plastic trophy at a local tournament.
Couldn't agree more bro. I know now not to be super committed to positions, especially if it could lead to injury. For a cheap medal, it's just super not worth it.
Glad you're okay man. It's crazy, something like that can happen and you're back on the mat in August. I thought I pulled a muscle back in June this year and I'm still off. Doctors investigating a possible hernia, still no answers. Doubt I'll be back on the mat this year I'm in pain every day. I hope I can get back on the mat one day and continue. I had to stop just after getting my blue belt.
At exactly 9:55, you should have let go or transitioned to omoplata. The entire position is lost there and it’s time to bail. But your opponent was also extremely reckless for sitting on the back of your neck to escape the triangle. That’s his entire body weight on the back of your neck. He did not need to do that and could have just shrugged and pulled your arm out.
Listen man, at the end of the day, it's all my fault. I didn't abandon the position early enough, and I trusted my life in the hands of a complete stranger! The biggest takeaway for me is that health and preserving of it comes above all in jiu jitsu! All combat sports are dangerous, but training and fighting with strategy and care can help minimise the risk of those injuries. Thanks for the comment bro!
No one seems to have mentioned this, but that was a wrong side triangle. Those are mainly used for control and setting up kimura/armbar/regular triangle. It seems you opponent was trying the leg over escape, I believe Levi used it against Kade at CJI recently. If I'm wrong, it'll also be in most triangle escape videos. It seems like the wrong side triangle attempt combined with the normal triangle escape is what led to the pseudo Boston crab / spine lock position IMO. Worth taking note when using wrong side triangles for the rest of the community.
Wow you heal quick i got the same injury like yours it took me 8 month to just be normal again . I agree its not worth it go for a gold medal worth 4 dollars 😮
As I said in the video, the main point of competing and Jiu Jitsu as a whole is to test yourself, and measure your improvement only against yourself, not others. I'm incredibly grateful that I've healed well, and I definitely won't be risking it all for a cheap medal again!
Hey man, bjj black belt here who also has had a few spine injuries. Not to be a Debbie downer, but spine injuries often change you permanently. I don't play close guard as much and avoid getting stacked like the plague. Also really recommend you read the book back mechanic by Dr mcgil.
I mean, it's definitely changed my perspective and approach to the sport for sure. Not sure about and physical, long term damage, but honestly, after that; i have been so much more appreciative of life and even the small things. Understanding that an inch difference either side, i could have been permanently damaged is a serious wake up call to how I was fighting! I'll look into that book sir, thank you. I appreciate you taking the time for your comment!
Dude... tha was a WWF crab move that he did. Nasty stuff. IM pleased that there was not any perminant spinal damage as it could well have been. I am wanting to start competing, but honestly, I dont know if its worth it as a white belt, might wait untill im at least blue belt to compete. note.. I am 56yo, but all competitions around where I live virutally have no one my age unless black belts LOL... so I would have be competing in the adult, masters 1 or masters 2 divisions. Keep up the good work man. oh.. and damn good work on that first arm bar from closed guard... nice
Thank you bro, all recovered now. It's fully on you to decide whether to compete, and it's definitely worth taking your age into account, especially if you're going to be fighting younger and higher level guys. As long as you remember to tap early, and don't make any stupid mistakes (like me, lol), then you will be fine with it! It's definitely a great test of character and mindset however, and would reccomend it. All on you though bro, let me know how it goes if you do decide to give it a shot!
Don't do it bro. There is nobody around in my age/weight division either and going down in age is just begging to get injured by some roided glory hunter 25 years younger than you. It only gets rarer/harder to be matched at blue belt but at least some of the ones most likely to leave you with lifelong injuries have been filtered out. For me, I'm not competing until Masters 5 now and absolutely not going below that since I want to keep training/walking/living relatively pain free. I love the challenge of rolling with the young competing guys at the gym BUT I don't kid myself that I do much beyond escape/survive vs them, after 40 age is honestly the biggest (dis)advantage much more so than weight/size. Actually didn't mean to be this negative and I'm in great health for my age, better than most half my age who don't train. Just that against people half my age who DO train and especially people half my who compete then I have to be realistic, ha ha
On that first match, when you got swept due to your momentum. When you start coming up over top on a sweep like that, as soon as you've started turning over to face towards the mat, drop your weight straight downwards to pin the hip and look to drive your head into the collarbone/start of the shoulder opposite to the leg you have entangled. Even if you can't get a solid head plant in the moment, the hip pin followed by the motion towards the opposite site will kill a lot of counter sweep attempts.
Hey I suffered a similar injury as well that caused me a lot of pain in my left tricep/chest/lat muscles. I actually ended up losing a lot of muscle mass (atrophy) due to what the doctor said was nerve compression. Did anything similar happen to you? If so how did you recover?
Hey bro, thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it. Cutting the angle means adjusting your position to attack from a better angle, typically moving off-center to create leverage and reduce your opponent’s defense, making submissions like armbars or triangles more effective. Unfortunately as you saw, I didn’t cut the angle at all (instead I did the opposite!) and it can be dangerous when you don’t!
As long as you train smart, there is minimal risk of injury. Train only with people you trust, train at a pace you're comfortable with and voice that pace to your opponent, and take care of your body OFF the mats as well, and you should be fine!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ I won my class and Absolute. trying to have a safe game. Next year i will go blue belt and dream of doing a brazil nationals, lets go :)
I think that could have easily happened to me. I wouldn't have felt in any danger. The only reason I would have opened the legs as he stood up is if I thought "ok he's already postured up too much, I don't have anything, he's going to stand up and stack me and push me to the side and pass my guard, I better let go and switch to open guard or scramble" I never would have thought, ok I need to let go incase he sits on my neck. And I can see the temptation to hold on because it looks like he's leaning forward a lot it seems like you might be able to off balance him. I'm going to be even more cautious before I compete now. Any position I feel even a little unfamiliar or weird about I'm either gooing to tap or bail even if it means giving up a worse position. Are you really going to compete again? nerve injuries are no joke, nerve injuries to the neck even more so.
Just a quick suggestion. I think your guard game is pretty solid. Maybe try to drill some sweeps from there as well. I think on that match you were trying to many submissions off the close guard making it a bit predictable, pernas some basic sweeps could suprise yiur opponent. Im no expert is just a sugestion. Wish you a speed recovery. Great video congrats
There’s a very thin line between not accepting a position and just scrambling wildly with no real direction. That final match was a mess from both sides
Cutting the angle means moving your body to the side instead of staying directly in front of your opponent, to either make the submission/sweep more effective!
I dabble in bjj because I want some grappling ability at least a blue belt, but im always thinking about how frequent injuries are and wonder if I should just stick with muay thai. People have permanent injuries that dont go away and there’s always that risk when rolling even if not competing
The risk of injury in any combat sport is always going to be high. What I like about jiu jitsu is if you train and fight smart, you minimise the risk of injury to yourself and training partner. Unfortunately for me, I didn't follow that advice in this competition! But grappling is definitely important to learn, and if you train intelligently the risk of injuries is minimal!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ idk, I said it in another comment. There's countless of bjj channels stating their injuries. Seems like using body mechanics and leverage could cause way more damage compared to something like kyokushin which on the surface looks way more brutal...
Omg that was so scary! If you were a bit older it would have been even worse as you become stiffer/less flexible. Glad you’re ok mate, see you at the mats.
I know bro! So thankful that I'm how I am when this happened. I've trained gymnastics since a young age so am also naturally flexible, but scary to think what the result would've been without that! See you on the mats brother!
Hi jack, very sorry this happened to you. Back to training in two months is incredible for this degree of injury. Just a thought around 9:54 how could you have switched to omoplata? Glad you're doing well. Respect to getting out there.
Let that shit go brother. 🐢 And attack from there. Protect your neck. I stack people, but I don't get stacked. I have a Professor that is a little bit of a prick and he will proposely catch the neck side leg when you try to triangle him and stack you till you tap....or end up like you.
For sure, now I know this bro! But I've never been exposed to that position really, and that's why I held on, even though there was nothing there! From now on, always will abandon positions when it is getting into dangerous territory!
It's not jiu-jitsu, it's competing in the gi. In Judo even when you throw, if your opponent grabs and falls on you, the amount of times I have twisted my ankle is insane.
7:55 that's you stalling more so than him. You can always open guard and play some other guard. Well maybe it's easier for him to open closed guard when a gi is involved, but yeah... just use another guard
I understand it looks like that, but I was trying to submit him via either of his arms as he was not making himself available any other way and hunched over me! In future, yeah I will try a different approach rather than to keep trying and failing! Thanks bro!
Not crapping on the gi, but I think the sleeve grip made has something to do with this too. If someone gets that angle in no gi their arms is slipping out.
For sure. What I've recently realised is that they're very similar, but also completely different. So many techniques that work in one, don't work in the other, and vice versa. But been experimenting in no-gi recently, and that's the route I'm gonna go down I think!
BJJ guys go ahead and hate, but this is why I stopped BJJ and moved to thai clinch / wrestling / judo and stopped training BJJ. I have no interest in playing guard or passing guard, and all the strain on your spine that comes with it. Unfortunately it's hard to find as BJJ over-saturates the grappling market.
What the hell are you guys doing in those BJJ dojos? I'm not even joking, this is like the 20th video, ranging from youtuber with million subs to smaller ones like your channel, all of them with videos how badly they injured themselves doing BJJ!?
I'd like to know what's going on with the 2 guys in back who look like a confrontation. I'm guessing he was angry he was filming the kids, and probably not with the other parents permission, which is a complete no no for sure.
Hate to say it, but there was a window there where you should have let go knowing the danger of your position and lack of control you had over the opponent. Was it your fault? No. Did you have a chance to avoid injury? Yes. Definitely sucks. Meanwhile, I don't even know what the hell your opponent was doing, literally twisted you and sat on your head. But that's half the game, don't assume your opponent knows what they are doing, assume they are trying to hurt you in any way and protect yourself, even if that means giving up a position.
Yeah I know man, that’s what sucks. I should’ve let go! But I’ve never had something like that happen before and if you don’t know you don’t know. Will not be making that same mistake again!
What I love about jiu jitsu is it caters to everyone! Some people just want to train, for the health and social aspects, whilst others want to compete and fight in it! Good training brother!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ yeah, but for your sake, and the sake of your family, you need to make sure that doesn’t happen again. Otherwise you need to pick a different sport. BJJ is not worth your life or your loved ones grief. Stay healthy.
That wasn't actually necessarily bad technique. Yes, it is a thing to know when to bail on a technique and if that's the case, then so be it. But if you are going to compete in any form of combat you need to get your neck STRONG and FLEXIBLE, like ASAP. I am a long time wrestling coach and that didn't look something that should have necessarily collapsed you. Do your neck bridges, kiddos! There's no reason why you should be combat wrestling if your neck can't even roll to the side..... But I'm very sorry to hear that you're going to be going through that recovery anyhow. Best wishes for your speedy recovery.
That was VERY scary, I tend to go for closed guard, but what I've realized is that after they get up you are exposed to a very serious injury, as at any moment they can slam you on the floor, even tho it is against the rules you are trusting your life in someone else, so I've decided to not trust them anymore, be careful!
Yeah... deep down I knew that, to abandon the position when they stand up, but for some reason I was incredibly hopeful for the submission, even when there was nothing there! Nevertheless, it's all important information I can take going forward in my competitive situations!
Career doesn't have to do anything with being high lvl. People can start their career off with laying bricks and ending with having your own company that lays bricks. Career is the journey highest lvl is the end
@@MalseMan comparing brick laying and entry level sports is big brain. I’ve been fighting amateur Thai boxing for 7 years and racked 15 fights and about to wrap it up . I wouldn’t consider it a career nor a “retirement” what? Now you can argue he can eventually make it a career but a white belt , or any entry level competitor is extremely far from calling it a career. Sports have levels my friends . And anyone triggered in these comments clearly have not experienced any level of competition training . I’m not bashing anyone and I hope the OP one day makes it a career if that’s the path he takes . Peace
A moment after 9:55 your opponent sits on you and very quickly disengages as if he noticed you were in trouble. The video has no sound and I'm wondering how did the know. Did you tap verbally or made a sound that made it clear you're in danger? Or did he simply lose balance and fall off?
You just held on too long and let him put you in a quasi-Boston crab. I do this to people all the time when I’m in their guard, but I stay on my knees so we’re both low and controlled. They usually let go but if they do not, I turn it into a hip joint lock, rather than a spine attack. Whenever your opponent stands up in your guard, unlock your legs and go to x guard or de la Riva or some other open guard.
Must add this escape to my game.
Would not recommend! 😂
There’s a reason they say white belts are the most dangerous belts on the mat.
For sure. I understand it now😂
FR, had a 300 lb one see red when he was in my closed guard and he folded my spine in half. Never saw him again afterward.
If that's the case, I'll stay at white belt.
cutting the angle is good, yes, but i'd say the problem here was you didn't let go when put in a dangerous position. the second you feel yourself getting twisted in a dangerous way--especially involving you neck--just let go, give up position, it's not worth getting terribly injured over. that looked pretty bad, glad you're ok. stay safe.
Thanks Chris, will bear this in mind from now on. Safety over submission 👌🏽
@@JackSimpsonBJJ Thanks for sharing. This is interesting to me and it does highlight a feature of current jiu jitsu I’ve noticed. I started training in 2005 (got my black belt in 2017). When I first started competing things were still pretty freestyle at most comps and could be pretty unsafe. As a consequence we all had to be careful to make sure we were never allowing ourselves to be put in dangerous positions. A big part of this was to let go of submissions when you start getting lifted or otherwise put in a bad position.
Anyway I’m glad you are OK and are willing to share this.
@@TheloniusJ the sport has changed so much but, it’s still a combat sport. There’s more rules and regulations in competition now but if either athlete makes a mistake, he could still seriously injure himself or his opponent, which is never nice.
Thanks for the interesting take.
@JackSimpsonBJJ This is a really good point. If you feel yourself getting stacked, even by an opponent you are much better than, just give up the position. You know you've got a good triangle, but just give it up in that moment.
He also didn’t set up the triangle properly. Wrong leg around the back of the neck and trying to lock up on the side without the shoulder. If he had set up his triangle properly, and cut the angle to the correct side (opposite the shoulder), none of this would have happened
All the best for your recovery, glad to hear you're getting back on the mats.
Thanks Niall!
Brother I wish you all the best in life. I partially tore my ACL because of a shitty aggressive Osoto Gari.. the guy was full of Ego and just kick in my knee, after rehab and many hours of Leg strengthening I’m fine now. I will look up to go to class tomorrow, but you’re Video just showed me (once more) how dangerous it can be. From now on my philosophy in Bjj is,
-Master technique, be healthy and able to self defense but never ever compete
-Tap early and often
-Never roll with the wrong guys, no ego at that point
-communicate that you don’t want to get injured, I like to go 60-70% with a guy you know, maybe 80% -100%
-Training partners that now each other will probably never injure each other (big injuries)
Greetings from Germany, OSSSS👍🏼
That’s a great philosophy to train by bro! I may adopt that if you don’t mind, just experimenting with different things to try and minimise the risk of injury!
I used to train with a 6'3" accountant that was a black belt, and would wreck all the pro fighters in the gym. You'd assume he would be a traditional full guard triangle guy, but he slipped a disc being stacked in the past. He has an amazing butterfly guard, and kimura trap game now. I stacked him once. He immediately gave up the position, I could see his anger, then he wrecked me. Work around your injuries.
Absolutely bro, work around the injuries. I’m reevaluating my approach now, so will see how it goes!
I wish you a speedy recovery
Thanks, Crackhead! 😆
Falling weight is the biggest danger in BJJ
Thank you for your insight snd courage to keep trucking
It's messages like this that make me do it, so thank you!
Very unfortunate. Wish you a speedy recovery.
Thanks bro!
Goodness gracious, I seen this happen in brazil, same sngle, same injury. Glad youre doing better
Wish you all the best and a fast recovery
Thank you brother!
Very scary and awkward twist on your back. I suggest you do a follow up video showing what you mean about cutting the angle - I think that would be engaging for your followers and something we can all learn from.
Good luck on the recovery. Take your time, too!
Good luck with your recovery. In terms of lessons learned for your future I’d say, as soon as your opponent postures, unless you’ve already got the triangle locked (which you didn’t), move on and bail on it. If you hold the legs up there you’re just going to get passed. And this isn’t the adcc where it’s worth the injury risk to cling on and even attempt to lock it up when they stand up and so on. I’ve competed many times across all my belts (white, blue, purple, brown). Unless you’re trying to go pro or make a living from bjj, it is absolutely not worth getting into dangerous positions or hanging onto subs for a $2 plastic trophy at a local tournament.
Couldn't agree more bro. I know now not to be super committed to positions, especially if it could lead to injury. For a cheap medal, it's just super not worth it.
@@JackSimpsonBJJ yeah I have bludged discs in my neck from comp and broken bones in my feet too. It’s rough. All the best mate.
That guy acted recklessly, dangerously...... glad you're ok....congrats on your Blue Belt
Absolutely no need to fall your weight onto someone's head like that in any scenario
Glad you're okay man. It's crazy, something like that can happen and you're back on the mat in August. I thought I pulled a muscle back in June this year and I'm still off. Doctors investigating a possible hernia, still no answers. Doubt I'll be back on the mat this year I'm in pain every day. I hope I can get back on the mat one day and continue. I had to stop just after getting my blue belt.
At exactly 9:55, you should have let go or transitioned to omoplata. The entire position is lost there and it’s time to bail.
But your opponent was also extremely reckless for sitting on the back of your neck to escape the triangle. That’s his entire body weight on the back of your neck. He did not need to do that and could have just shrugged and pulled your arm out.
Listen man, at the end of the day, it's all my fault. I didn't abandon the position early enough, and I trusted my life in the hands of a complete stranger! The biggest takeaway for me is that health and preserving of it comes above all in jiu jitsu! All combat sports are dangerous, but training and fighting with strategy and care can help minimise the risk of those injuries. Thanks for the comment bro!
No one seems to have mentioned this, but that was a wrong side triangle. Those are mainly used for control and setting up kimura/armbar/regular triangle. It seems you opponent was trying the leg over escape, I believe Levi used it against Kade at CJI recently. If I'm wrong, it'll also be in most triangle escape videos. It seems like the wrong side triangle attempt combined with the normal triangle escape is what led to the pseudo Boston crab / spine lock position IMO. Worth taking note when using wrong side triangles for the rest of the community.
Thank you for that! Among watching it back I realize you’re right. Completely my bad. Thanks for pointing this out and will be mindful in the future!
Wow you heal quick i got the same injury like yours it took me 8 month to just be normal again .
I agree its not worth it go for a gold medal worth 4 dollars 😮
As I said in the video, the main point of competing and Jiu Jitsu as a whole is to test yourself, and measure your improvement only against yourself, not others.
I'm incredibly grateful that I've healed well, and I definitely won't be risking it all for a cheap medal again!
Good to see you're doing well, that was frightening. 👊🏻
Thanks bro! All good now!
yeah, that's why I''m playing safe and doing mma :)
Stay tuned brother, Jackavelli breaking into MMA 2025 🤫
Hey man, bjj black belt here who also has had a few spine injuries. Not to be a Debbie downer, but spine injuries often change you permanently. I don't play close guard as much and avoid getting stacked like the plague. Also really recommend you read the book back mechanic by Dr mcgil.
I mean, it's definitely changed my perspective and approach to the sport for sure. Not sure about and physical, long term damage, but honestly, after that; i have been so much more appreciative of life and even the small things. Understanding that an inch difference either side, i could have been permanently damaged is a serious wake up call to how I was fighting! I'll look into that book sir, thank you. I appreciate you taking the time for your comment!
Dude... tha was a WWF crab move that he did. Nasty stuff. IM pleased that there was not any perminant spinal damage as it could well have been. I am wanting to start competing, but honestly, I dont know if its worth it as a white belt, might wait untill im at least blue belt to compete. note.. I am 56yo, but all competitions around where I live virutally have no one my age unless black belts LOL... so I would have be competing in the adult, masters 1 or masters 2 divisions.
Keep up the good work man. oh.. and damn good work on that first arm bar from closed guard... nice
Thank you bro, all recovered now. It's fully on you to decide whether to compete, and it's definitely worth taking your age into account, especially if you're going to be fighting younger and higher level guys. As long as you remember to tap early, and don't make any stupid mistakes (like me, lol), then you will be fine with it! It's definitely a great test of character and mindset however, and would reccomend it. All on you though bro, let me know how it goes if you do decide to give it a shot!
Don't do it bro. There is nobody around in my age/weight division either and going down in age is just begging to get injured by some roided glory hunter 25 years younger than you. It only gets rarer/harder to be matched at blue belt but at least some of the ones most likely to leave you with lifelong injuries have been filtered out. For me, I'm not competing until Masters 5 now and absolutely not going below that since I want to keep training/walking/living relatively pain free. I love the challenge of rolling with the young competing guys at the gym BUT I don't kid myself that I do much beyond escape/survive vs them, after 40 age is honestly the biggest (dis)advantage much more so than weight/size.
Actually didn't mean to be this negative and I'm in great health for my age, better than most half my age who don't train. Just that against people half my age who DO train and especially people half my who compete then I have to be realistic, ha ha
On that first match, when you got swept due to your momentum. When you start coming up over top on a sweep like that, as soon as you've started turning over to face towards the mat, drop your weight straight downwards to pin the hip and look to drive your head into the collarbone/start of the shoulder opposite to the leg you have entangled. Even if you can't get a solid head plant in the moment, the hip pin followed by the motion towards the opposite site will kill a lot of counter sweep attempts.
Wow, thanks for taking the time for that tip bro! Will definitely give it a try in the training room!
What an awesome vid! Good stuff bro 👊👊👊👊👊👊❤️
Thanks bro! 👊
what was the actual injury medicly?
praise god please stay young man whole life ahead of you
Absolutely. Thanks to God I'm still here, alive, able to train and live normally.
Will not be risking it again.
Thanks for the comment, sir.
Dang that was scary. Glad you made a recovery, congrats on the blue belt!
Thanks Stephen!
Respect, glad your ok!
Hey I suffered a similar injury as well that caused me a lot of pain in my left tricep/chest/lat muscles. I actually ended up losing a lot of muscle mass (atrophy) due to what the doctor said was nerve compression. Did anything similar happen to you? If so how did you recover?
Nice work, i gotta work on basing on the hip to get the armbar.
Just got to get the reps in bro. Practice makes improvement!
that last scene is rock lee vs gaara moment
Wish you a speedy recovery Jack.I’m also a white belt in Taiwan so I’m wondering what”cut the angle”mean ? God bless you mate.
Hey bro, thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it. Cutting the angle means adjusting your position to attack from a better angle, typically moving off-center to create leverage and reduce your opponent’s defense, making submissions like armbars or triangles more effective. Unfortunately as you saw, I didn’t cut the angle at all (instead I did the opposite!) and it can be dangerous when you don’t!
White belt matches are seriously WILLLD😂😂😂😂😂
It's like the WWE 😂
BJJ feels more dangerous as I get older, well everything gets more scary!
As long as you train smart, there is minimal risk of injury. Train only with people you trust, train at a pace you're comfortable with and voice that pace to your opponent, and take care of your body OFF the mats as well, and you should be fine!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ yeah you're absolutely right Jack I got to be more choosy about the people that I picked the train with,
sorry to see tha happening to you mate. I did got to a bjj tournament white belt this weekend luckly no injuries :)
Glad to hear that bro, how did your competition go?
@@JackSimpsonBJJ I won my class and Absolute. trying to have a safe game. Next year i will go blue belt and dream of doing a brazil nationals, lets go :)
Glad you good bro
I think that could have easily happened to me. I wouldn't have felt in any danger. The only reason I would have opened the legs as he stood up is if I thought "ok he's already postured up too much, I don't have anything, he's going to stand up and stack me and push me to the side and pass my guard, I better let go and switch to open guard or scramble" I never would have thought, ok I need to let go incase he sits on my neck.
And I can see the temptation to hold on because it looks like he's leaning forward a lot it seems like you might be able to off balance him.
I'm going to be even more cautious before I compete now. Any position I feel even a little unfamiliar or weird about I'm either gooing to tap or bail even if it means giving up a worse position.
Are you really going to compete again? nerve injuries are no joke, nerve injuries to the neck even more so.
Almost every injury I've taken in jj has been from a white belt improvising.
Just a quick suggestion. I think your guard game is pretty solid. Maybe try to drill some sweeps from there as well. I think on that match you were trying to many submissions off the close guard making it a bit predictable, pernas some basic sweeps could suprise yiur opponent. Im no expert is just a sugestion. Wish you a speed recovery. Great video congrats
For sure bro. Need to diversify my game a little to make my attacks unpredictable!
Glad you're okay man
All good now brother!
There’s a very thin line between not accepting a position and just scrambling wildly with no real direction. That final match was a mess from both sides
Yeah... I know. Only white belts though, gotta understand! As we both learn and grow in the sport I'm sure less of these kinda matches will occur!
What do you mean by cut the angle? I'm new to bjj and I got a lil bit worried
Cutting the angle means moving your body to the side instead of staying directly in front of your opponent, to either make the submission/sweep more effective!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ Thank you very much!
I dabble in bjj because I want some grappling ability at least a blue belt, but im always thinking about how frequent injuries are and wonder if I should just stick with muay thai. People have permanent injuries that dont go away and there’s always that risk when rolling even if not competing
The risk of injury in any combat sport is always going to be high. What I like about jiu jitsu is if you train and fight smart, you minimise the risk of injury to yourself and training partner. Unfortunately for me, I didn't follow that advice in this competition! But grappling is definitely important to learn, and if you train intelligently the risk of injuries is minimal!
@@JackSimpsonBJJI’ve gotten more injuries in the 4 months I’ve been doing bjj than 3 years of muaythai
@@JackSimpsonBJJ idk, I said it in another comment. There's countless of bjj channels stating their injuries. Seems like using body mechanics and leverage could cause way more damage compared to something like kyokushin which on the surface looks way more brutal...
The Styles Clash or High Angle Modified Crab lock are two potential counters you were vulnerable too
Great to know for the future my friend, thanks a lot!
Was this at the Brighton open
It was, yes!
I’m sort of confused why he circled that direction, would have been so much easier to escape from the left…then he just sat straight down
Omg that was so scary! If you were a bit older it would have been even worse as you become stiffer/less flexible.
Glad you’re ok mate, see you at the mats.
I know bro! So thankful that I'm how I am when this happened. I've trained gymnastics since a young age so am also naturally flexible, but scary to think what the result would've been without that! See you on the mats brother!
Hi jack, very sorry this happened to you. Back to training in two months is incredible for this degree of injury.
Just a thought around 9:54 how could you have switched to omoplata?
Glad you're doing well. Respect to getting out there.
For sure, there's things I need to work on in my game. for example, not being super committed to positions (especially when there is nothing there!)
+ thanks for your support bro!
Let that shit go brother. 🐢 And attack from there. Protect your neck. I stack people, but I don't get stacked.
I have a Professor that is a little bit of a prick and he will proposely catch the neck side leg when you try to triangle him and stack you till you tap....or end up like you.
For sure, now I know this bro! But I've never been exposed to that position really, and that's why I held on, even though there was nothing there! From now on, always will abandon positions when it is getting into dangerous territory!
Ur guard game is good, but if opponnent is stalling and ur down on points sometimes it best to reset and go back to standing
It's not jiu-jitsu, it's competing in the gi. In Judo even when you throw, if your opponent grabs and falls on you, the amount of times I have twisted my ankle is insane.
I got scared watching this
Sorry bro, lol! All recovered now though, so nothing to be worried about :)
You got a nice home.
Thanks Keith!😂
7:55 that's you stalling more so than him. You can always open guard and play some other guard. Well maybe it's easier for him to open closed guard when a gi is involved, but yeah... just use another guard
I understand it looks like that, but I was trying to submit him via either of his arms as he was not making himself available any other way and hunched over me! In future, yeah I will try a different approach rather than to keep trying and failing! Thanks bro!
Not crapping on the gi, but I think the sleeve grip made has something to do with this too. If someone gets that angle in no gi their arms is slipping out.
For sure. What I've recently realised is that they're very similar, but also completely different. So many techniques that work in one, don't work in the other, and vice versa. But been experimenting in no-gi recently, and that's the route I'm gonna go down I think!
BJJ guys go ahead and hate, but this is why I stopped BJJ and moved to thai clinch / wrestling / judo and stopped training BJJ. I have no interest in playing guard or passing guard, and all the strain on your spine that comes with it. Unfortunately it's hard to find as BJJ over-saturates the grappling market.
just type in bjj injury in the youtube search, the results are crazy.
Hope you recover. Work on some core exercises to get those muscles around that spine to help support.
That's the plan Evan! Just got to make myself as injury proof as possible now!
What the hell are you guys doing in those BJJ dojos?
I'm not even joking, this is like the 20th video, ranging from youtuber with million subs to smaller ones like your channel, all of them with videos how badly they injured themselves doing BJJ!?
I'd like to know what's going on with the 2 guys in back who look like a confrontation. I'm guessing he was angry he was filming the kids, and probably not with the other parents permission, which is a complete no no for sure.
Guard players should not be flaccid. Tighten your muscles, engage your core, stay erect.
Ayoo…😂
Nah you’re absolutely right bro.
Hate to say it, but there was a window there where you should have let go knowing the danger of your position and lack of control you had over the opponent. Was it your fault? No. Did you have a chance to avoid injury? Yes. Definitely sucks. Meanwhile, I don't even know what the hell your opponent was doing, literally twisted you and sat on your head. But that's half the game, don't assume your opponent knows what they are doing, assume they are trying to hurt you in any way and protect yourself, even if that means giving up a position.
Yeah I know man, that’s what sucks. I should’ve let go! But I’ve never had something like that happen before and if you don’t know you don’t know. Will not be making that same mistake again!
Oh wow 😢
All recovered now, sir, don't be sad! 😂
How long you been training?
Just over 2 years at this point!
Terrifying. That's why as an older guy i don't bother competing
What I love about jiu jitsu is it caters to everyone! Some people just want to train, for the health and social aspects, whilst others want to compete and fight in it! Good training brother!
Bro, people have been left quadriplegic like this. I hope your coach took the time to correct you.
I know, I’m very grateful I came out of it relatively quickly!
@@JackSimpsonBJJ yeah, but for your sake, and the sake of your family, you need to make sure that doesn’t happen again. Otherwise you need to pick a different sport. BJJ is not worth your life or your loved ones grief. Stay healthy.
@@WolframtheBlessed3499 Of course brother, I know this now. I will not be doing any stupid stuff like this again, trust me!
Not to be rude but can you walk?
Did you not watch the video?
Yes, Mark! I was not able to walk for a few minutes, but got feeling and function back after that!
God bedring
Thank you, sir!
That wasn't actually necessarily bad technique. Yes, it is a thing to know when to bail on a technique and if that's the case, then so be it. But if you are going to compete in any form of combat you need to get your neck STRONG and FLEXIBLE, like ASAP. I am a long time wrestling coach and that didn't look something that should have necessarily collapsed you. Do your neck bridges, kiddos! There's no reason why you should be combat wrestling if your neck can't even roll to the side..... But I'm very sorry to hear that you're going to be going through that recovery anyhow. Best wishes for your speedy recovery.
What’s up with the misleading title?
That was VERY scary, I tend to go for closed guard, but what I've realized is that after they get up you are exposed to a very serious injury, as at any moment they can slam you on the floor, even tho it is against the rules you are trusting your life in someone else, so I've decided to not trust them anymore, be careful!
Yeah... deep down I knew that, to abandon the position when they stand up, but for some reason I was incredibly hopeful for the submission, even when there was nothing there! Nevertheless, it's all important information I can take going forward in my competitive situations!
Gi is gay
Sorry that you don’t approve 🤷🏽♂️
Career?... Career= Professional. Professional means high level competition.
Soon 🙏
you're fun at parties I bet
@@JacobsWay 🤣🤣🤣
Career doesn't have to do anything with being high lvl. People can start their career off with laying bricks and ending with having your own company that lays bricks. Career is the journey highest lvl is the end
@@MalseMan comparing brick laying and entry level sports is big brain. I’ve been fighting amateur Thai boxing for 7 years and racked 15 fights and about to wrap it up . I wouldn’t consider it a career nor a “retirement” what? Now you can argue he can eventually make it a career but a white belt , or any entry level competitor is extremely far from calling it a career. Sports have levels my friends . And anyone triggered in these comments clearly have not experienced any level of competition training . I’m not bashing anyone and I hope the OP one day makes it a career if that’s the path he takes . Peace
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woah wtf, i hope you fully recovered
Yes, all recovered now sir! Thanks for the message 👊🏼
A moment after 9:55 your opponent sits on you and very quickly disengages as if he noticed you were in trouble. The video has no sound and I'm wondering how did the know. Did you tap verbally or made a sound that made it clear you're in danger? Or did he simply lose balance and fall off?
He probably felt it
So I felt and heard my back and neck crack, and can only assume he heard/felt it too. Probably yelped out in pain as well 😆
That dude trying to get out was a complete idiot!!! Who gets out of a triangle like that? Who taught him?
If you don't know, you don't know. Can't blame the guy it was just a natural reaction bro.
You just held on too long and let him put you in a quasi-Boston crab. I do this to people all the time when I’m in their guard, but I stay on my knees so we’re both low and controlled. They usually let go but if they do not, I turn it into a hip joint lock, rather than a spine attack. Whenever your opponent stands up in your guard, unlock your legs and go to x guard or de la Riva or some other open guard.
Great tip my man, thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it👊🏼
Or dummy sweep at whit belt.