Is The 5800X3D Really Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- In this video, the second in our "Is It Worth It?" series, we are going to look at upgrading an AMD Ryzen 9 5900x to the Ryzen 7 5800x3D, widely considered the prior generation king of gaming CPU’s. Our "Is It Worth It?" series is focused on showing you just how much you can expect to increase the performance of your system with a drop-in upgrade. One of the biggest challenges with upgrades is that they can rapidly spiral out of control if you are not careful ... you start with good intentions but rapidly find yourself rebuilding your entire machine ... that has happened to me way too many times to count. So for this series we are going to limit the upgrade to only one component ... no major generational upgrades that would require multiple components to be changed will be allowed.
The system being upgraded today is one of my own personal systems originally built by Falcon Northwest. The system was built with an AMD Ryzen 9 5900x in the system, which is a great prior gen CPU from AMD. One question I see a lot with AM4 based systems is whether you should upgrade to a 5800x3D chip. It's an easy answer coming from a lower end chip but what about a 5900x? In this video we are going to answer the question "Is The 5800X3D Really Worth It?"
As you will see in the video, it's really not rocket science, it's Lego … my goal is to help you make the right component choices and put them together the right way, every time.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:59 My Perfect Plan
03:02 Build Components
04:28 System Upgrade
07:42 Thank You Falcon Northwest
08:21 Benchmarks
09:55 Was It Worth It?
Thank you for watching this video in the "Is It Worth It?" upgrade series, if you enjoyed today's video please hit that like button and subscribe so that you don't miss out on future episodes as I delve into every aspect of PC building.
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PSU: Seasonic Prime TX-1000 = newegg.io/nc543b3b5f - Ігри
My Cinebench score for the 5800X3D displayed in the video is lower than expected so I investigated to find the cause. It turns out that my AIO cooler from Falcon Northwest decided to die during my benchmark testing (never had that happen before). After installing a new AIO and running all of the benchmarks again, the only numbers that changed were the synthetic CPU benchmarks and Microsoft Flight simulator at lower resolutions, that's it. So the good news is the recommendations in the video are all still valid. You can find a PDF of the new benchmarks on my website: blackbirdpc.tech/
Well....at the end which is better for you. I have both and i need to have only one... Which is the best if you can choose one for you? I hope you can help me with this
@@pacificostrikerit depends on what you are doing. If you predominantly game then keep the 5800x3d. If you want more of an all round chip then keep the 5900x. If you game at 4k then it really doesn’t matter.
5900X here, I will wait the 8800X3D.
you mean 9800x3d the 8000 series are reserved for laptops.
@@Balanced--yes, them👍👍👍😎 (or later models, still enough)
Dumb question but is there a game that the 5800x3d can't run over 144hz ? Kinda pointless to upgrade if the speed it will gain can't hit the screen. But then again the 8800 isn't even out yet
@@news2383 Depends on resolution and GPU, of course. There are certainly games that the 5800x3d can't hit 144hz at 4k. I have a 5800x3d and a 4090 and I pretty much peg 144fps at the highest possible settings for Horizon Forbidden West, but that wasn't the case with the 3090Ti.
Games all are different in terms of whether they're CPU intensive, GPU intensive, or balanced.
But overall I agree with you. The time to upgrade is when your PC doesn't do what you want it to do. For some people, that's hitting 99th percentile in TimeSpy Extreme. For others, it's maxing out their monitors refresh rate.
Also, keep in mind there are a LOT of 240hz monitors out there now, and LC has a 32" OLED 480Hz monitor.
Looks like 7600x3d for you
this video is a good start point for many Ryzen 1,2 and 3 owners who have the AM4 platform and can still get new upgrades like the new R7 5700X3D for just 250 by the end of January 2024,
I have been asking myself this for a long time. I have a setup almost identical to your test setup. 5900x with a EVGA 3080 TI and 32 gigs Corsair at 3600.. This really answered it for me. Thanks a lot!
Glad I could help!
Do you use ReBar with 5900x, ive heard it could perform even better with it having enabled!??? Can you tell us the difference ?
@@exeoggtx6051 yes I have ReBar enabled in all of my testing ... I will have to test without it enabled to see if there is a meaningful difference.
Phenomenal content, Finally UA-cam suggested something special
Thank you, glad you liked it
I upgraded from a 5600G to 5800X3D, the best move i could´ve done. Now i just need to upgrade my deadbeat 3060 since it´s holding my X3D back quite alot..
Hang in there … I plan to giveaway a 7900xtx at the start of January to a subscriber to celebrate my channel launch … details to come 😉
I have a 5600g should I get the 7 5700x3d (just came out today) or a 9 5900x I have 32 gigs of ram at 3200 and a rx 6700xt
@@eastkrats-hb8nlwhat is it that you primarily use your PC for?
@@blackbirdpctech Gaming in 1080p and streaming
@@eastkrats-hb8nlI would have said 5700X3D (I just got one so will be interesting to test) but since you are streaming as well then the extra cores of the 5900x will likely help you avoid issues in games while streaming.
I bought the 5800X3D a few months ago at $300. I had an X570 build with a 3700X processor and an RX 580 GPU. It gave my machine a new life and made upgrading the video card worthwhile. I am feeling pretty good about my machine again. I have an RX 6800 that is bottlenecking my CPU. For $658 I got a major upgrade. The 6800 was $358 and the 5800X3D was $300. It's not all brand new tech but for me it is a brand new machine. I even had to buy a case because the 6800 wouldn't fit my old front bay full tower. Add another $109.
Yep, the money does pile up. As long as I don't have a motherboard failure I am good with what I spent for the performance I got. It's always a gamble and a 4 year old board can go pop at any time.
Sounds like you were pretty smart about your purchases … don’t forget you can always re-paste the gpu … it’s really easy to do … I might actually do a video on how to reinvigorate your system.
I did this upgrade myself and the gaming performance gains were actually higher than shown in here. This was with a Radeon RX 7900XTX. I would dare to say around 15-30% faster performance, feels like another system lol
What cpu did you upgrade from?
@@blackbirdpctech 5900X
Would be good to see some data for your performance claims … this type of gain (15-30%) is unlikely except in games like Microsoft flight simulator that benefit significantly from the 3d v-cache.
@@blackbirdpctech Notice massive gains with Uncharted 4 and God of War 4. But of course the 7900XTX is going to be more CPU bound than a 3090Ti and that is at 2K resolution and my card is a Gigabyte Aorus custom one. It clocks neatly at 2.8-3.0GHz at 465W as it has three 8-Pin power connectors.
@@evolucion888 interesting, since I didn't test Uncharted 4 or God of War 4 it would be great if you could post your data here. I tend not to test games that don't have built-in benchmarks because it's difficult to maintain consistency between benchmark runs. I do agree that a higher-end card such as a 7900 XTX will place more strain on the CPU, so these type of gains with an X3D chip are indeed possible under those conditions. I appreciate your comment, thanks.
Totally depends on your use-case, if you play a lot of e-sport games then the switch to 5800X3D makes sense but if your use-case is mostly related to productivity or you just play some triple A games from time to time then probably not. Remember that you are losing 4 cores and 8 threads, I would only consider upgrading if I had a 4080 / 7900 XTX level perf GPU.
Agreed, thanks for watching!
Nice video!
Thanks for watching !!
Just did a bit of a family hardware shuffle, my son took my old i7 9700k and Gigabyte Z390 nice MB and I took his old MSI Bazooka B450 board and Ryzen 3600x, and it was a noticable diffrene (down for me and up for him). Im running a 3070 and he has my old 1070.
Then this weekend I installed a 5800X3D on the old B450 and WOW! What a diffrence, playing PUGB in 2560x1440 and the intel was yielding about 170fps, the 3600x about 140-150 (with bigger drops) but the 5800X3D shot right to 300.
For those running an AM4 board regardless of the chipset, and if the board supports it, then look no further, the 5800X3D is an amazing upgrade.
This is also my target upgrade, from 5700x. I also play PUBG @1440p with RTX 3080. I still get stutters and fps drop to 100+ depending on which part of the map. Hopefully 5800x3D will solve it. As for my 5700x, I will rebuild it for my son.
Good video. May I suggest leaving benchmarks up for twice as long, I had to set video playback to 50% to be able to read them.
Thanks and great suggestion … another thing I could do is add each of them separately to the chapters in the description … would make the chapters much longer but allow you to go to each benchmark already paused.
I put PDF’s of the benchmarks for each video on my website … thanks again for the suggestion.
I greatly enjoyed your 7800X-3D video, so I'm back for another in the series. My previous main gaming/production PC was a 3900X/2080Ti build, and I considered just dropping in a Zen3 chip. But which one? Extensive research told me the best bang-for-the-buck AM4 upgrade for my 3900X was -- none. The only truly significant AM4 upgrade from the 3900X is the 5950X, and I could not justify its cost now that AM5 is available. I decided to build a new rig and stick with the 3900X in that PC, relegating it to a secondary role (now with a 6750XT as the 2080Ti has developed what I think is a sensor issue that makes it think it's overheating). My main machine is now a 13700K/7900XTX build, and it is at least 50% faster than the old system in every application.
Killer build ... I am going to put the 4080 up against the 7900XTX in an upcoming video ... given the price point for the 4090 I think the real battle is between these two cards ... will be interesting to see who wins.
@@blackbirdpctech They will trade blows, I suspect, with no clear winner. I chose the 7900XTX for its 50% greater VRAM buffer, because I don't play any RT games, and because Nvidia has openly declared, albeit in a way that many people miss, that it does not care about gamers. I already had a 6800XT, more than adequate for my needs, but I promised myself a 7900XTX if I could get one for under $900. That happened, and it's in the machine. The 6800XT is now in a 5700X machine, where it's pretty well balanced.
Yeah building a new pc happened to me my son asked for a new graphic card for Christmas and I bought it went to the store to have it installed and it couldn’t fit in the case/tower so I had to buy a new one then the younger guy that worked there recommended I upgrade the cpu as well because I had a 4 year old basic cpu so I asked what he recommended he showed me the 5800x3d he said it would go well with the 4070 ti gaming oc with all the money I spent I could’ve just bought a new gaming pc
I almost did just that. I have a quality X570S , 64gb , 6900XT with 5900X. Curious about trying the 5800X3D so I found a cheaper open box for $239. The next day after installing it I was already jumping on board just selling my good hardware and buying new 7800X3D as the entire upgrade would be $250-300. I placed the order and planed to return this open box. But I cancelled my AM5 hardware and decided to just stick with my new openbox 5800X3D. A friend is going to buy my 5900X for the same price but I will do all the labor of bios update and install.
I just undervolted it using curve optimizer. Only wanted to lower it a bit as I can't believe extreme undervolting is good for electronics. It runs better with a ALL CORE NEGATIVE -15.
How is the gaming performance compared to you 5900x? is it smoother or really no diff at all?
@@mrswagtastic3276 Honestly it is really hard to tell. Today I thought about swapping back to the 5900x to see if it was noticeable worse.
The problem is I also just updated the bios and updated AMD 6900XT driver.
Their new driver I think was the cause for stuttering as I felt some weird micro stutter.
But as far as more FPS it isn't so obvious for me to notice night and day benefits.
Part of the issue is I am not playing high FPS games that I could easily see the change. My 6900XT at 5120x1440p shooting for 240fps is very much GPU bound. I still play old school BF4 and my FPS really seems about the same and I think it's due to a GPU bottle neck. It jumps around between 150fps - 200fps. The GPU does show full utilization though except for when it hits the 200fps cap of the game.
Really it is hard to say , I almost want to swap back and try my 5900X out again but really why though as the 5800X3D has the 8 core CCX and VCACHE so I can't see how the 5900XT would be better. Clock speeds are similar, the 5900X would boost to 4950mhz but in game the cores were more like 4300-4500mhz same with the 5800X3D which is around 4350-4450mhz.
I did undervolt it but put it back when I saw stuttering as I wanted to rule it out as the cause. I might try my 5900X again but I really think I am not able to see the improvement due to the game, resolution and ULTRA detail being used.
Hope these random thoughts help.
UPDATE 1/8/24 - Still running this 5800X3D. Prices on he 7800X3D went up $52, motherboards are spendy and ram is still the same in price. What I cancelled would have been the best deal. I likely will not return this 5800X3D as it's better than my 6900XT can perform at 5120x1440 @240hz. If I come across a smoking price on AM5, 7600, MB and RAM I might just sell off this current AM4 hardware but unlikely. 5800X3D should be good for most 200 - 240fps targets once I have a GPU with enough muscle to stay around there. Must resist the urge to upgrade for little reason at the moment.
Thanks for the info, helpful
Glad it was helpful!
I managed to get FCLK 1900/3800MhzCL15 with my 5800x3d and verry low latency. Think I will stick with that for a couple more years or more. When I start struggling to hit minimum 60fps at 4k in games due to a CPU bottleneck I will upgrade lol
At 4k you won't get CPU bottleneck. That is why I won't even bother upgrading my 5900x for the next few years.
I struggled with 3800X temperatures and swapped it with a 5900X B1 because the split CCX and PBO2. Turned out I used push fans with less, than 1mmh2o.
Always good to invest in capable fans, you don’t need RGB but you do need good quality fans.
@Falcon_Northwest this is the video I was talking about when we were chatting on Jay’s post a few weeks ago. Thank you for making amazing systems and helping me re-discover my passion. Hope you enjoy it!
if u play comp games like valo cs2 and so on then its no brainer, just upgrade :D
What about 1440p ultrawide? Fits somewhere between 4k and 2k so is it worth it?
Good question. A 1440p ultrawide display is approximately 34% more pixels than 1440p and around 67% less pixels than 4k. So if you linearly interpolate between these two resolutions you can estimate the result. For the 13 game average the 5800X3D would have a 2.7% average FPS advantage over the 5900X, definitely not a meaningful result. For the 1% low FPS it would be 6.9% which is beneficial.
@@blackbirdpctech perfect answer, thank you so much!
I'm currently deciding between upgrading my pc with a 5800x3d with my current 3070, or I've got the potential to get another pc with 10900k with a 3070ti. Trying to ascertain how much better the 5800x3d is is hard but it may be more negligible at this resolution 👍
Nice video with very useful data. I play in 4k, but the question here is enabling FSR / DLSS in games will drop the resolution to 2k, so the 5800x3D will take the lead. Also, with a little more faster GPU maybe the differences will be higher.
Thanks for your comment. A faster gpu shouldn’t make the differences higher because it will enhance both CPU’s equally in gpu bound games or at gpu bound resolutions. Your comment about FSR/DLSS however is very interesting … I should add that in some of my benchmarks moving forward when testing CPU’s.
If you like slow stick with 4k. Always think "How can I make this slower" Yea play at 8k on a tiny computer screen 1 foot from face. The grass is not greener at 8k just slower.
@@Physics072 Nonsense reply is nonsense. Why even comment?
did a really good job explaining where this chip fits in the market. for the excellent explanation I will like and comment on this video! cheers!
Thank you, glad you liked it!
I'm stuck on what to do... I have a 3700x currently with a 4070 Ti Super. I don't want to spend the money upgrading to AM5, so my options are 5700x3D, 5800x3D, 5900X, or 5950X... Very hard decision considering their prices right now are (in USD) $247, $287, $299, and $368, respectively... The 5950X price/performance is definitely the worst, but the other 3 are very competitive pricing. Thoughts?
It really depends on what you do, if you are predominantly gaming then I would get the 5800X3D … if you do a lot of applications as well then get the 5900X. You will be happy with either chip.
Hey man great video! I have a question. I am playing “the finals” now with a 4060ti (16 vram) and 5700x. I am getting bottle necked by the cpu apparently. Do you think the 5800x3d will be a better pair for my 4060ti? Or should I go with the 5900x? ( I am aiming completely at 1080p and want above 144 fps, also I’m running a 165
Hz monitor) Cheers and thanks again for this benchmark video!
I would definitely get the 5800x3d … if your objective is better game performance, especially at 1080p then you should see a nice performance increase with the x3d chip.
@@blackbirdpctech gotcha! But any idea on why my 5700x is underperforming? I don’t even know if I am bottlenecking at some point but when I game that specific game I get processor around 70% and gpu at 80% tops so I don’t know what is going on haha
@@samay_whoif your cpu is at 70% and gpu at 80% then you are pretty well balanced. If you increase your in-game settings the load on the gpu should go up. Your cpu is only limiting you if it’s close to 100% and your gpu is much lower.
@@blackbirdpctech and what happens when it’s the other way around? When a cpu is at 40% and gpu at 80-90%? Then does that means the gpu is causing the bottleneck?
@@samay_whoso just some context, you will always have a bottleneck … that’s the nature of pc’s. Yes, if the gpu is at a high load in a game and the cpu is at a low load then you are gpu bound. You can reduce in-game settings or resolution but it’s not an issue if your frame rates are good.
I had a 5900X for a year before switching to a 5800X3D for 1440p gaming. Games like Escape from Tarkov run way better with higher 1% lows. The 3D V-cache helps a ton with certain stuff. It's the best overall chip on AM4
What about single player games like Cyber punk, rdr2, re4, etc
i bought over a year ago, 5950x because is only €100 more expensive. not is a buy intelligent, but i hope that this cpu can be useful a lot of years, Best regards!
I have a 5950x in one of my systems too … great cpu, should last a while. Thanks for watching!
Modern warfare 2 and assassins creed Mirage have built in benchmarks aswell.
I have MW2 in my benchmarks but not assassins creed mirage, will add that moving forward, thanks!!
Did you use the benchmark for Red Dead 2 with those test results?
Yes, I used the built-in benchmark for RDR2 … unfortunately it takes forever to run.
I see, thank you.@@blackbirdpctech
5900x🎉🎉🎉🎉
can i use my B550 motherboard if i dont have X570 board for this CPU ?
You should be able to however you may need to update the bios.
5900x is a ryzen 9 gen 4 with 12 cores, how is this an upgrade? From a ryzen 7 gen 3
They are both AM4 ... same generation. If you are just gaming, which is what this PC is used for, the 5800X3D is a better option.
I'm playing at 1440p. Got a 4090 recently and am on the fence between the 7800x3d or the 5800x3d. They offer basically the same performance right now and am currently on the 5800x. If I go AM5 I'd have to get a new mobo, cpu, and ram (for very similar performance.) It might be wise to stick with the 5800x for now and upgrade to AM5 later down the line. What are your thoughts? Also subbed
If you are primarily gaming and you have a low latency ddr4 kit, such as 3600 CL16, then I would say stick with the 5800X3D. Latency is more important in gaming than memory speed. The 7800X3D is of course a great chip but at this point I would wait for 8000 series.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the reply. I’m more concerned about the 1% lows right now and after watching the video I’m gonna hold off until am5 becomes more polished.
Get the 5800 X3D not the 7800 X3D. I would wait for the next round of cpus at least 1 gen. Not enough difference to make it worth a total system upgrade. You have to be strong and resist the temptation and the excuses why you need to buy an entire new system.
You really do not have to do a thing depending on if any of your games are dropping under 60fps much or what games you play. If its just solitaire or hearts then keep the 5800 its only 9 percent difference with a 5800x3d. Not really enough to be worth the 300+ dollars.
If you got the money to burn then 7800x3D is worth it when you can go higher on the memory like in that 6000MHZ range 32gb would be the minimum and 64gb would be more better suited in future proof and also which you will gain more FPS you can research on Gamer Nexus and Hardware Unbox from there testing .
@@2roly2yea in the spring the 7800 was not a good value and ram issues were common and issues on some mbs. 5600 and 5800 x3d stable and better value plus not that much slower. I would not pay 200.00 more but if the prices are similar and issues ironed out then yes 7800x3d its not enough of a wow for people w 5800x3d to bother with. Imho.
My 5900X reaches 5Ghz on some cores, that is basically what AMD is advertising with for the 5800X3D. There is no way to get all 5Ghz cores on a die because it's a silecon lottery, so even a 5800X3D has cores that won't reach 5Ghz :) If you have to budget to buy a decent cpu I would definately go for the 5900X because of the performance in other tasks besides gaming.
I'm glad I could finish the am4 build before the am5 platform is all over game world. Atleast I have a decent PC for the upcoming years! I always wait a very long time before upgrading.. See you just have to be happy with what you bought. In the past I did more upgrades, but I know that hardware is old the next years and upgrades are incremental these days.
Great attitude !!
Wouldn't it be a more apples to apples comparison with the 5800x rather than the 12 core 5900x?
Great question. A comparison with a 5800x is not super interesting to me because it has been done many times and the only reason to do it would be to attempt to isolate the impact of the 3D v-cache. The problem is that if the 5800x is a golden sample and the 5800x3D is not, then the results would be very misleading. I had a gaming system with a 5900x in it and I wondered if it would be worth it to install a 5800x3d. I’m pretty sure there are others out there that have wondered the same thing and it’s not a comparison that I’ve really seen on UA-cam.
My 5900X does the job well for UW 1440P gaming (no MSFS), have to wait for the 5090 to need a CPU upgrade !
My next video compares fast DDR4 with fast DDR5 in gaming ... and DDR4 still holds it's own, even against fast DDR5 kits ... it's definitely worth waiting at this point for next gen products ... not really worth upgrading.
I think will be a upgrade for earlier AM4 cpus not from 5900x, or even for a new built, still cheaper than AM5 or intel alternative..Bought for 265 euro..
Agree on the 5900x but if you are building new I think it’s a great option to consider.
@@blackbirdpctech One or other.. AM4 still rock, 5800X3D UV, PBO, CO, 79-81 C, Nh14s/ 71-73W.,4450mhz all cores/4500 boost..Merry Christmas !!
I went from a 5900x to a 5800x3d and wow on twitch, the vids are way more detailed with that 3d cache all I can say . running a hellhound 7900xt
That’s interesting … will have to look into that more … likely because the cpu is hitting your ram less often, so you would get improved system latency. Thanks for watching!
@@blackbirdpctech some more confirmation on this....a coworker went from a overheating 3700x to a 5800x3d on a b450 board with a 3070ti and was the first to show me this , his twitch was way more detailed and clear , just upgrading the cpu. also the 5800x3d in my tests and upgrade like 3200 mhz ram not faster ,the 3600 mhz works great with the 5900x
Not a major issue, but why did you bother to take out the GPU? I just got a deal on a 5900X for $249, so I'm happy to see this comparison, but I do need to upgrade my CPU cooler.
I think the cable from the cpu AIO was routed under the gpu … it also gives you more space to work and helps avoids any scratches or damage. What are you considering for a cooler?
@@blackbirdpctech Probably just a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 twin tower fan setup. Moving up from a Ryzen 5 3600 (with the free AMD spire cooler). The motherboard is an Asus Tuf Gaming x570 plus WiFi, so it should be able to deal with 40 more watts for the CPU. And a Radeon RX 6800 for a GPU (never enough budget for more LOL).
That’s a great cooler … your motherboard is fine just make sure you update the bios before removing the old cpu. I’m currently working on upgrading a prebuilt with a 3600x and 3060 for my next video. Likely going to upgrade to a 5700x3d and 4060 Ti … the chassis won’t accommodate a large air cooler but the good smaller ones can still handle 130W so it should be fine.
8:44 Is it not a mistake? 5900x slower than 5800x3d with practically rendering?
Yes, someone else pointed that out … the data is correct however the label should say “higher is better” not “lower is better”. You can download a PDF of the updated benchmark charts from my website (see pinned comment). Thanks for catching it, I appreciate it.
@@blackbirdpctech "Failed to load PDF file."
Just this one :)
So, finally which one faster for rendering?
@@andrewswiderski8811the 5900X, the data/chart is the same but for blender I accidentally thought it was measuring render time but the behchmark was actually measuring samples per minute. I just went on the website to try the file and it loaded fine, so perhaps it was a glitch.
accurate
I have a 5800X3D and the frame rates are always high. But I am convinced that with a 5900X the system would feel smoother. Many times when I alt tab out of a game my windows doesn't feel as responsive as it does when a game is turned off. Which is strange because an 8 core chip like 5800X3D should cut through anything... but maybe its all in my head.. or maybe its just windows 11 being sluggish OS that it is
Interesting, I definitely experience that sometimes depending on the game and I'm pretty sure it's Windows ... when background tasks are still running and using resources after you shutdown the game the entire system can feel sluggish ... that's one of the issues with Windows ... it's really hard to tell sometimes what the system is doing in the background.
Do you have an Nvidia GPU by chance?
@@kimjongpoontv69 I have 7700 XT
your 5800x3d performance is kinda low, do u have the latest bios update?
Please look at the pinned comment … I updated the benchmarks … they are available to download at the link provided … appreciate your comment 👍
Awesome video i got a 5900x and play at 1440p 165hz with a 4070ti i did wonder if i should get the 5800x3d as i only game , but really doesnt seam worth it maybe if it was 30% or 40% boost to fps id consider it , guess i will be building a new pc in the next 4 years tho i told my missus 6 years hahahaha
Thanks and yes, the only way I was able to convince my wife to let me keep buying tech was to start a channel and business 😉
@blackbirdpctech hahaha i might have to try that myself when she tries to say no 🤣🤣🤣
I've had the 5900x since launch and the chip seriously doesn't get the credit it deserves. Especially now that the price has dropped it's toe to toe in price to performance.
Agreed … there is such crazy marketing hype around the X3D chips that people end up buying them when they don’t really need to … especially if you use your pc for tasks other than just gaming.
Word, people think that the non-X3D chips suddenly become garbage but Ryzen 5xxx series is still plenty fast.
@@evilleader1991agreed in fact in a lot of cases they are the better option. I’m working on a comparison between the 5800x3d and 7800x3d … I was surprised just how well the 5800x3d does.
i built my son a 3700x system several years back and recently decided to upgrade his cpu to "max out" his current setup. i was torn between the 5900x and 5800x3d. i wound up just getting the 5800x3d because all he does is watch videos, game and do homework on his pc. we havent touched his graphics card yet (a 2070 super), but i feel his system is ready to handle a much faster card when the time comes.
I am planning to do a giveaway of a 7900xtx to celebrate the launch of my channel … would be a great upgrade for this system 😉
@@blackbirdpctech well, ill have to look into that 😃
@8:44
The bars are flipped around, no way the 5800x3D is lower (Better performing) in this multicore benchmark.
Yes you are correct ... will look into it and update the benchmarks ... hopefully it's just a simple transcribe issue in Excel. Thanks.
So it turns out that the data is correct, it's the label on the chart that is incorrect. Blender provides a score that is measured in samples per minute, so higher is better, not lower as I have on the chart. I will update the benchmark file with this correction and post it on my website. What's strange is that when I look at other Blender benchmarks for these processors they appear to show a measurement in seconds such that lower would indeed be better. Does make you wonder how some people do benchmarks. Thank you again for pointing this out ... definitely made me worry for a minute 😉
@@blackbirdpctech oh, I see now, you meant to say, "higher is better" and not "lower is better", small mistake, and makes sense since it uses time as its metric.
I've never used it myself so can't say.
The R7-5800X3D was only worth it if you were already on AM4 with a Ryzen 5000 CPU or lower. To be honest, with the existence of the R7-5700X3D, the 5800X3D isn't worth it anymore. It's the same situation as when the R7-5700X displaced the R7-5800X.
I say this as an R7-5800X3D owner. If I were to buy today, I would totally choose the 5700X3D but its gaming advantage over an R9-5900X, while not insignificant, isn't worth the asking price of the 5800X3D.
I would still get a 5800X3D ... the 5700X3D is simply a 5800X3D with slightly slower clocks but for the relatively minor price difference I would go with the 5800X3D (even though it's only 3% better performance).
Im in this current situtaion now. I have a Ryzen 5900x, X570 PG Velocita, 32gb ddr4 3600mhz, 850 watt PSU. I just upgraded from a RTX 3080 10gb to the 7900xtx and theres a small bottleneck (between 3 to 5%). The only upgrade worth it is to just wait until I want to go to AM5 because a 5800x3d or 5950x isnt worth it in my opinion.
I agree, at this point you might as well wait until the new AM5 CPU’s are released.
@blackbirdpctech im a content creator and i game. In your opinion is a 5900x with a 7900xtx considered a high end pc in 2024? I mean its good but i just want another opinion. Would you consider that build high end or mid teir?
@@shadowghost815the 5900x would now be considered mid-tier while the 7900xtx is high-end.
Please don't present your benchmarks like @9:17.
It exacerbates the differences too much, start at 0 even if the difference looks small, since that is realistic.
Starting the scale at 6.2 will potentially mislead viewers.
Thanks for catching this ... was an auto setting in excel ... I didn't notice until you pointed it out ... much appreciated.
@@blackbirdpctech All good, glad to help. 🙂
I love your content by the way.
Well, it really depends on your current graphics card. If you have a 3080 or lower and as long as it doesn't dip below 60 fps, then it’s not a big deal
The 3080 needs a lot of cpu to push it. On the amd side you need at least zen 3 so a ryzen 5600 minimum.
not a big deal to you. Some people like and want over 60 at all times. Me for example will always aim for around 90+, 90 being the min. Some are fine with 40 as their min, some want 120+
60fps on a 170hz monitor? Nah
@@Fucklesticks Doing only 60 mph on empty 8 lane highway? Nah
I didn’t say always playing at 60fps. What I said was, if you don’t mind framerate dips as long as it doesn’t dip below 60fps most of the time, the 5900x is more than sufficient. When playing Cyberpunk 2077 on ultra ray tracing settings with a 3080, the 5900x can achieve around 80-95 fps at a 1440p resolution. It’s not a problem to stick with the 5900x, especially if you’re doing extensive tasks with it.
If you one more, just lower your game setting
I'd say absolutely not 1440p gaming as well. Same also applies if you have a 5800X vs 5800X3D and vs AM5.
I am thinking about doing a comparison between a 5800X3D/4070S and 7800X3D/4080S ... simply to see if the additional cost is really worth it ... my guess is that the additional cost will only buy you relatively small FPS gains, but it would be good to see the data.
I'm trying to figure out which to upgrade to from a 3700x/Asus B550. I game more, but I don't wanna limit my PC to just gaming either. Though CP2077 CPU requirements on a high end looks to want more cores. I think the 5900x may make sense for me. I think future games will like more cores. Still an upgrade from my 3700x. Gaming on UW if that matters.
I think the 5900X would make sense. That said, I had to update the 5800X3D synthetic benchmarks due to an AIO cooler issue ... the video recommendation didn't change and the only game that was impacted was MS Flight Sim at lower resolutions ... you may want to review them before making your final decision.
so exactly like a though 5800x3d push frame at 1080 and become pratically inexistent at 4k
Yes, the 5800X3D is a beast but it doesn’t matter at 4K … it’s all about the gpu at 4K.
Yes i was almost to do buy it, the In decide to ovverclock the 5900x with first 10 core at 4.8 and second line at 4.65, all at 1.38v stable 70 degree in gaming and a nice boost. I run some games at 4k I use a oled LG 48 inch and I got 98% of use of my 4090
@@DavideStiff I use an LG oled 48in tv for 4k gaming too ... the picture quality is amazing.
I don't recommend upgrading to a 5800x3D even if you're on AM4.
If you have the $280+ saved for a 5800x3D, just sell your current AM4 MoBo, RAM and CPU and get into AM5 instead. even the cheapest AM5 CPU, the Ryzen 7600 (or the 7500F if you don't mind buying from AliExpress) will perform mostly the same as a 5800x3D and you get the AM5 upgrade path.
That is definitely an option however at this point I would wait to see what the 9000 CPU’s offer and potentially get a new AM5 motherboard that will likely support higher speed ddr5.
Your results are not showing the same CPU scaling as other big name channels with these parts. I am not sure if its a GPU bottleneck or what but, Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed show the 5800X3D absolutely destroying the 5900X in most games. They are using a 4090 and not a 3080ti.
Please look at the pinned comment and updated benchmarks. At 1080p there is an average increase of 11% and 1% low increase of 14% across 13 games, which is a significant advantage for the 5800X3D. In games that really leverage the 3D cache, like Microsoft Flight Simulator, the advantage at 1080p is around 46%. I can't talk to the results from other channels because I am not familiar with how they test.
Your benchmarks are GPU limited and not representative for comparing CPUs
They are gpu limited at 4k but not at 1080p … that’s why we benchmark at lower resolutions.
If you overclock the 5900x, performance gap is small
What is your process for OC’ing the 5900x? Have you used Hydra?
i wonder is the 5800x3d worth it? the 5900x costs at german 40€-80€ less then the 5800x3d...
The 5900x is a great chip, if it’s that much lower cost then it’s a great buy.
I feel like this is more of a sidegrade, not really an upgrade, you exchanged productivity power for gaming power, both are great CPUs, but each is somewhat better in either productivity or gaming, looking at your own benchmarks, I don't you you got your value out of this upgrade, overall it's the same, so you paid money to buy an extra cpu, to basically just get the same, switched productivity prowess for gaming prowess so I agree with your conclussion.
To someone building a new PC it depends on what they plan to do with it, if they're gonna both game and work on the same machine, then the 5900x, but if the system is purely entertainment and they work at work on a laptop for example, then the 5800x3d all the way, the only downside of going AM4 is that it's a dead-end platform, while from a performance difference between the generations you'd get more value going for AM4, but if you realize that the AM5 platform will keep you going for 3 more generations after the current, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor in terms of support and future upgradability.
Agreed, thanks for your comment.
id always pick the 5900x
with 3080ti its not worth , but with 4070ti and higher its worth and if it is playing on 1080-1440p
Not sure I understand your comment, why would a more powerful gpu help at lower resolutions that are already cpu bound?
@@blackbirdpctech because you will see difference in CPUs then!!why bigger channels tests 5800x3d and others cpus with rtx 4090 on 1080&1440p and often on lower seettings!?there you see how cpus perform and not on 4k !!
@@Mr11ESSE111 if there is any load on the gpu at lower resolutions then upgrading the gpu will place an even higher load on the cpu, so yes you are correct with that statement. However the impact will be minimal if the cpu is already heavily loaded … perhaps I should actually show that in a video. I should also do a video on bottlenecks … I’m concerned that they are not well understood. Thanks for your comment.
The only reason to get the 3d is Cuz of the cache for gaming.... Other than that.. No.
It’s always a trade-off … unless you have no budget limit 😉
isn't worth upgrade for 10% difference plus most people will sell old cpu and buy a new one so there is a price difference your 5900x isn't worth 349$ on used market
5900X w/ PBO & CO will tighten those gaps up even more, making the 5800X3D not worth it.
Uh no. There is diminishing returns. 3d v-cache performance in games that benefit have a big margin
Agreed and you can also optimize the 3d v-cache chips as well … hydra is a great tool to help you do that.
@@blackbirdpctech I smell a 5900X w/ PBO & CO vs 5800X3D w/ optimization video.
@@scottstamm7022that’s a good idea … will add it to the list … the list is growing rapidly 😉
Good gaming upgrade but horrible workflow upgrade.
Agreed … I only use that system for gaming otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense.
@@blackbirdpctech I got addicted to building in 2018 and have 30 gaming rigs and parts on hand to build another 10 in my inventory. So I do have a 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X builds in my inventory. Along with many other AMD and intel builds.
@@JayzBeerzI share your addiction … the only way I could justify buying so many parts to my wife was to start a channel, so I feel your pain (or is it joy) 😉
@@blackbirdpctech my wife gave up asking me why I have so many pc parts. I have given away a few pc’s to close friends and family for free who are less fortunate.
@@JayzBeerzI do the same … you sound like a great guy … hope you subscribe … I have a cool video on high speed memory posting tomorrow.
Man that's a lot of thermal paste at 7:07 lol
The only issue with too much thermal paste is cleanup … if you don’t use enough you will get thermal issues.
I feel the 5800X3D from a 5900X is more or less a side grade.
Agreed … I knew that was likely going to be the case going in but I was still curious.
So your disappointment was immesurable and your day was ruined, is what I heard 🤔
Ha ha … yeah, I didn’t realize I was able to act out those emotions … there is so much hype around these products but when you see the actual data it can be a let down for sure.
NOPE!!!!
Relative to a 5900x I agree
Shame you put an Nvidia GPU in!
I use hardware from all companies … it’s not something I make an emotional attachment to.
Bro literally 1,5 minute in this video is about the topic! What a time waste.
Genuinely appreciate your feedback … there is always a balance of story telling versus getting straight to the point … I think I’ve gotten better at that with my more recent videos … there are chapters so you can skip to what you are most interested in. Hopefully you got some value from watching 👍