There are actually cemeteries in Europe designated as a conservation area because endangered creatures call it home, including lichen on graves. I'd imagine this monument is similar to a grave where you have to be very careful what you put on it. Even the compressed air of the canister could cause damage to those ancient rocks.
@@preciousmourning8310let's be honest nobody cares about lichen like that at least not the average person. Not necessarily saying your wrong but this "concern" was after the fact. NONE of those ppl cared about Stonehenge nor the lichen let alone remembered what they even were. There's gonna be less of those habitats or creatures the way we're going.
It's the principal. Throwing blood on somebody isn't just ok because you tested the blood and you got a portable shower and a change of clothes on hand 😂
Still, you'd think the climate change activists would avoid taking any action that could potentially damage things that are already at risk from climate change. Makes the whole act of vandalism feel more like a cry for attention for themselves rather than an attempt to gain positive attention for a certain cause.
@@aaronjohnston2751some lichen is worth dying if it means a message can be spread. If activist had to make sure every little thing was okay they wouldn’t be doing anything. But regardless the idea that them doing this and potentially effecting the lichen means they are just doing it for themselves is silly when yeah the lichen ain’t gonna be around because of climate change. And it’s not always about spreading a positive message, for these types of things it’s just to spread awareness and getting attention about what their activism is about.
@@katyungodly Give the lady a break. How is she supposed to know that it's not straight up spray paint? Would you know if you were in her shoes at that time? For all she knew in that moment, she sees people spray painting with Stonehenge....of-fucking-course she's gonna be trying to stop them. Given those circumstances, labeling her a Karen makes very little sense.
I just looked it up because you made me curious. Cornstarch is likely to cause lung irritation and in larger quantities inflammation of the throat. It doesn't seem to be toxic to inhale and the effects are fairly minor so they should be good as long as they aren't assblasting stonehenge with corn starch on a daily basis. Probably still wise to put on a mask tho
The best guy is the one that was " the hypocrates are against nuclear Energy" on twitter. I asked " are they ? I dont see anything they put out about nuclear energy." And he was like " i organised a protest once and i get the vibes they do " like cool. I not what i asked.
@@loremipsum2237 thats the weirdest thing somebody told me today. And i just have a discussion about if being a local farmer makes you a lichen specialist.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LYCHEN (OR WHATEVER THAT STUFF IS THEY SAID WOULD BE HARMED)? DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THAT?! I DO! A LOT! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THAT STUFF??!!!!
As Vaush says in the video, this is a protest move not gain sympathy, but to point out that people care more about some rocks than they do about the impending climate apocalypse.
Doing shit like this and blocking traffic doesn't really help the cause IMO. If anything it makes JSO look like obnoxious dickheads and make people more likely to sympathize with the oil companies.
I mean, ok? if that's the goal just stop oils definitely succeeding, but how are they going to actually get those people, who they've now pissed off, and convince them to actually do anything to delay or lessen the effects of climate change? I get the British government is whack right now and I get the public are kinda crazy about certain things, but if you don't at least try to convince people into actually doing the things you want them too then how are you going to get things done?
Its impossible to care about archeology and climate change. Please ignore all the archeologists who care about what climate change will do to destroy historical sites.
It's surreal seeing myself in one of Vaush's videos after watching him for several years. I said this already live at the time but the sentiment still stands- much love to Vaush and co for your continued support of Just Stop Oil.
alright i'll admit, you've changed my mind on this one. we're talking about climate now aren't we? also i think the fact that they have the foresight to avoid causing significant damage to these landmarks certainly helps
@@andrewbecker1013 i don't think converting non-believers or educating ignorant people is the main goal so much as it is to - like i said - get people talking about the issue, and try to bring it back to the forefront. because what good does it do if people simply believe in the concept of climate change if its not talked about enough to the point where something is actually done to prevent/mitigate it.
If I were a young activist looking for a cause, JSO would be a readily apparent choice because they are VISIBLE. Unlike many activist organizations, they actually get attention.
Do you really want to join the activist group that is almost universally seen as bunch of larping jackasses who claim to be fighting for climate change but are actually just trying to make themselves look good in their social groups? Hell, just by donating a dollar to a real organization pushing for better laws regarding climate change you will be doing more good than your average Just Stop Oil member.
They did the same to some private jets and people were saying the same shit. It literally doesn’t matter how people protest. If they don’t annoy you then no one will pay attention! Obviously…. Would they rather protestors bomb an oil refinery? Make some anti-aircraft missiles and wait for industrial tycoons to fly by on private jet?
no one on the left said attacking the private jets was stupid. You're making that up, AKA lying. People on the right are going to say it's all stupid but there are those on the left that are saying the Stonehenge thing is not helping
@@genxunclekey Obivously no one on the left said attacking the private jets was stupid. No one on the left said attacking Stonehenge was stupid either.
It's so very frustrating that a lot of the people criticizing this from the left don't seem to have any idea what their goals are with these stunts, so all you get is bunch of completely uninformed opinions. They don't do these stunts because they think people will like them. They do these stunts for attention to drive recruitment and to fundraise so they have the funds and the people to do other operations, operations like occupying oil terminals. In this particular case they are raising funds, as they intend to escalate their protests this summer to target airports in particular. I would suggest people check out the video Vaush did interviewing a Just Stop Oil activist.
Great for them, however, if people who aren't convinced see them doing this then they just become further radicalized with opinions such as: "Goddamn climate activists are so annoying, all they're doing is destroying priceless history." or "This is obviously immature actions caused by crybabies who aren't getting their way." Vaush even said it himself that at the moment, nothing works, but this sure as hell isn't helping and will only worsen the problem, if we lose the 2025 election it will be partially due to "activism" like this.
I don't necessarily agree with how they do their methods but I hella get it. They actually do a lot of protests at major pollutant producers but they just get arrested and the news dont cover them. They've also outlined every time to make sure art and artifacts are not destroyed when they do their protests
They say “you’re attacking the wrong target!” Then you say “ok, who is the right target that you’d be ok with us protesting against?” And then they shut the fuck up because they don’t have an actual answer to that question.
It's almost like you're not going to solve the problem by throwing flour or soup at *anything* and it's just a generally stupid way to conduct a protest movement.
Gee, it’s almost as if the people responsible for this have names and addresses and could be targeted instead of random museums and monuments. But you know, that would only work if the protestors are brave enough to actually make the one’s responsible feel uncomfortable and not the innocent people trying to run a museum. If you’re not willing to inconvenience those in power because it might be risky/threatening, why the hell are you inconveniencing regular people instead like a coward?
I think Just Stop Oil vastly overestimates the effectiveness of disruption/attention grabbing over persuasion, but I can still evaluate smarter and dumber tactics within their worldview. When they spraypainted a luxury car showroom, that was thoughtful in a couple ways that is not true of spraypainting Stonehenge or throwing soup at paintings or blocking traffic. Firstly, the connection between car and oil use is identifiable even to fairly apathetic or uneducated members of the public. Secondly, their move inconvenienced an actual CEO whose business relies on oil, as opposed to making Joe Citizen's life harder for seemingly no good reason. Thus making the public less likely to support climate change reform, not more.
I love this shit about "the planet is dying anyway". The planet is not dying. 500 million years from now we will be curious fossils to sentient beings that descended from mice. We are a pimple on the arsehole of existence on this planet. George Carlin said it best. "We don't need to save the planet, we need to save ourselves".
Yeah, this is what has always kinda baffled me. Mother nature will adapt and life on this planet will move on. We're only screwing ourselves (and every other being who has evolved to survive in the current world)
You are absolutely right that the planet will survive what we are throwing at it. However, it is worth pointing out that the rapid change humans are causing to the planet in such a small time is probably fairly unique. We are causing quite the stir.
Harrison Ford did a speech on this once actually, and it really opened my eyes to the true danger of Climate Change. It's not about the Earth dying, its about US dying. The Earth and Nature will heal and adapt to the new environment, humanity can not. We're destroying ourselves, not the Earth.
I doubt the Earth has enough time left to evolve sapience from scratch. So if humans go extinct, the fossils we leave behind will likely go unexamined until the Sun engulfs the Earth. The rest of life on Earth? It will persist here after we perish for about another billion years like it always has.
To be honest, I'm very passionate about history, also intriqued by those Stone Age structures (as some just have basis of a building, that creates a ring/outline of stones), and as to how archeologists took the other 'Seahenge' to the museum, despite the pagan and local community objecting to it staunchly, was bad. And whilst I'm glad it was just orange starch, it somewhat kind of instinctively irks me how people treat those artifacts, especially as they remain in the same place they were found in. I think preventing climate change (or slowing it down) is a good cause though, especially as it endangers other artifacts (or just shows them to the elements, like finds from ice bjergs) and am glad it wasn't really damaged.
@@melissawickersham9912 They are literally in the middle of trying to scan the surface and sus out the original markings the stones were built with. They are under so much graffiti and surface damage, the average thickness of the original carvings is just seven atoms thick. Seven atoms. They are less than 3% finished with the scans, and because one of the small sections they had scanned was hit it has been gone over and checked, and the original markings are already no longer visible. A sizable fraction of the window we had into the oldest erect monument in our history, has been closed to us. Worse the social taboo against risking ancient structures has been weakened just that little bit more.
@@rokka7188 That's the thing, they have to attack things you're not okay with being attacked for you to care for even one minute about climate change. See you next time something you like gets attacked and you say: "Oh yeah, humanity is going extinct if we don't start taking climate change seriously. But this is just too radical and uncivil!" You think you are being so incredibly generous and kind to these protestors by giving them permission to target oil companies, so you can sleep and never think you share responsibility for the planet's fate
I’m so tired of having to explain and defend this shit with normal people. It just strikes the average person as either badly misguided or outright cynical outrage bait (which I suppose in a way it is.) and trying to explain it to them is an exercise Yet it’s hard to see what other option they really have, the incredibly based stuff with the private jets earlier today will get one tenth of the coverage. Not hard to see why the attention from this is preferable to JSO.
Because so much of the populace has no ability to think critically. Just like "thing more expensive now - individual politician to blame!" - instead of thinking any deeper about root causes.
Man, I sure do love how the immediate reaction to people trying to remind us the planet is dying is to wag our fingers and tell them to do it properly. Nothing to worry about, folks.
@@genxunclekeyanyone who decided they don’t care about climate change because of this was never on our side in the first place. be real. this didn’t change anyone’s opinions one way or the other. and that was never the point in the first place. they can’t control what people think, but they can control what people think about.
@@genxunclekey You people are dense as wood. Vaush tells you their strategy a million times, and you just ignore it and continue to be on the same side of this discourse as the far-right and the capitalist pigs that are responsible for our impending apocalypse.
@@genxunclekey "Be more civil, guys! It's only the ultimate fate of the planet at balance here, guys! Can you please be nicer, guys! It's not that serious, guys!"
What take was based? When he said its okay to do stuff that wont actually change minds as long as it get you attention? Its a toddler level take. Let me smear my dirty diaper on the wall because i cant have my cookies now.
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is some shit Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago. It’s pathetic.
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is something Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago. It’s pathetic.
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is something Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago.
imagine if they would put this effort into studying ways to actually help the planet like how scientifics who actually give a shit about climate change do
Scientists figured out the problem and solutions decades ago. Their wanings have fallen on deaf ears. It's a problem of implementation. Also, there is a climate scientist protests group that do similar protests.
Not to be a semantics Andy, but climate change won't destroy all life. Just devastate most ecosystems and heavily disrupt or destroy civilization as we know it. Life will still be here. Even humans
I believe in climate change, and if I was there I'd be throwing elbows. If their goal is to outrage people, mission accomplished. They're not changing the minds of the entrenched, and they're alienating the few allies they have. Great work, top marks.
Pearl clutchers who probably don’t even realize the monument has been moved, taken apart, restored, and reassembled several times in modern history. Entire stones have been removed and added in the 1900’s. And the whole thing was effectively rebuilt in the 1950’s and now sits on concrete because rocks would sink in to the ground or fall over. Hell, architects who do this frequently leave coins embedded in the stones as a signature of their work. It’s not some sacred untouched object that’s survived thousands of years. It’s broken down and has been fixed several times, as recently as 2021.
My question though is if their goal isn't to gain sympathy and just to get attention, how does getting attentions (especially negative attention) progress any real action against oil companies? I just don't see how these kind of actions could possibly be effective.
They use the attention to drive recruitment so they have the people to do other actions like occupying oil terminals. In this specific case, they also did fundraising, as they intend to escalate their operations this summer.
Then read up on the civil rights movement. They didn't win by getting sympathy either but by getting on peoples nerves, which made people take the issue serious and motivated them to do something to fix it. MLK was the most hated man in America for a reason. These kinds of actions are demonstrations of desperation. They motivated people that are not already blackpilled (like you I assume?) to take action themselves. If you want others to take action, you have to take action yourself. If you want to convince people that the problem is serious, you have to show them that you believe so yourself. And you have to keep reminding them of it.
This can be ignored by the majority of people too, though. They will go "hey, these guys are lunatics" and write them off. Time to eat my McHeart attack.
Any protest where you can gather together barely a dozen protestors is not real protest either. That is what is pissing me off about Stop-oil morons and similiar others most. They are unable to explain their cause and convince people to agree with them so they go "hostage situaion" route instead. It does not matter how much they anger people. In the end, no one is taking their cause seriously when they show up with such pitifull numbers.
Worried about the lichen????? Can people not see where all the lichen is already worn off from people touching the stone? I'm British and I'm down with this.
Even if this was real paint, who cares? It’s ancient and part of history? Ok, are we not allowed to make new history ourselves? This is an important topic and it needs attention. It’s also not their fault they had to vandalize such an important monument.
I think it's just a very non pointed way of doing activism, imo it would be much more poingnant to terrorize things related to bad policies and other acts that harm the environment, like bring light to closed door deals and large scale decitions or baring of environmental efforts with eco terrorism, there are lots of them and there's zero reprocautions, since not a lot of people get to see them.
For you, yes. But Stonehenge is an important international tourist destination - it's going to get attention internationally, and get the attention of regional business groups that sponsor MPs for hundreds of miles around
But then you wouldn't leave angry comments like this, so ultimately it led to you having more awareness of the issue. Maybe next time you're voting, you'll be so scared of the climate activists destroying the things you love that you'll vote in favor of more climate-conscious politicians :D
@@displayer6023 I'm not really mad, i was just wondering if the acitivism could be done more effectively, but as another commentor pointed out, the media would likely never cover it and it would likely never get viral
As much as i don't care about the landmark itself i have to agree with the chatter at the beginning, this is kinda difficult to defend even though i agree with the message. at least its easily washable (possibly) but it still makes us look bad because its a beautiful landmark (which is also a part of the environment btw) being defaced, there are better ways to get people's attention (and on the actual cause too) then doing stupid shit like this. idk maybe I'm wrong, im open to discussion on this, but i feel like sometimes bad publicity is just bad publicity, it can direct attention and people away from the cause.
"there are better ways to get people's attention" like what? Genuinely, like what, give an example. This is the biggest news story I've seen regarding climate change since the soup thing so... seems to get people's attention more than anything anyone else is doing. Like the media wasn't paying any attention at all before, now they're talking about it. You can't draw people's attention away from something they weren't paying attention to anyway. It seems to have worked perfectly.
Honestly listening to those neolib brit news anchors talk has made me go from understanding JSO’s point but thinking that they’re kinda meh to 100% supporting them. Like god damn, “just write the government a strongly worded letter”? That’s their idea of peak activism? That was so sad that it hurt to hear. They’re literally just the stereotypes of the ineffective moderates who love being civil and quiet more than they hate the actual problems that need to be addressed. This is what end-stage civility politics looks like.
what we're seeing in response to this is the opposite of apathy, like apathy seems to be the default that everyone is working off rn in regards to climate change
Edit: Holy shit, the people criticizing JSO's form of protest are kinda reminding me of people trying to refocus BLM conversations to be about rioting and looting, without understanding the valid resentment behind it. 2:06 Vaush I'm actually disappointed. Where's the "I'm not really lichen that train of thought" type pun?!
This is counterproductive. People who don’t care about climate change or are on the fence will jump to the opposite side of the debate because of this type of protest. It’s like didn’t care about this issue now I’m going to be for whatever that idiot is against out of anger and spite.
This happens every time these morons pull their performative 90's era "activism". They target things unrelated to climate change, alienate the public, and give up their chance to shape the narrative and hand it off to the very people they want to oppose. It's a prolifically foolish strategy.
I thought like you before, but i realized that if ecovandalism remains constant, the general public starts to think "hmmm, those people are consistently being arrested, but they still continue to protest, maybe climate change is real"
The difference is that PETA protests for animal rights, something that is very easy for people to not care about no matter what forms of protest for it exist. Just Stop Oil is protesting our future inability to grow food for ourselves. Much easier to convince people to care about that.
But who is this supposed to convince actually. And I know the action itself isn't meant to do that, but don't these actions just shed a negative light on the climate change fighters side as a whole, like, it's so easy to film a scary mockumentary out of this
I feel like the point is to make sure you can't forget that climate change is happening and the government can't insist that they are doing enough (if you did, why would there be protests).
As an anthropology student, i really disliked this one, i think it sets a bad presedent to vandalize already fragile sites, the original targeting stuff that was behind protective glass was better imo
As anth grad, you might want to be more concerned about the very real degradation of sites in England and not some corn starch. Cutting down the tree in the Sycamore Gap is 10x as upsetting as this.
@@amellirizarry9503 there are tons of UNESCO world heritage sites on coasts that are directly threatened by climate change. Be mad about that, not about this.
It's just a bad optics move, and is not going to convince anyone. It paints environmental activists as people who deface art and historical artifacts, and this type of bad PR is the last thing we need. FFS there are like a million other targets that you could've done this to that wouldn't cause this negative PR, would still generate attention, and would've been far more beneficial overall, but no, we're going to deface a historical monument known worldwide that's completely unrelated to climate change. Fucking genius. Climate change is an issue almost everyone is aware of these days, whether or not they truly understand the threat, and raising awareness in this manner hurts the cause, possibly more than it helps. We don't need to appease a bunch of lefties and fulfill their own need to do _something_ , we need to be convincing _liberals_ and _conservatives_ that this is a problem with effective strategies, and approaches that meet them where they're at. I don't give a fuck if any leftist thinks Just Stop Oil's actions are effective, I care if _the people we need to sway_ think they're effective, and clearly they don't, given by the reaction from liberals and conservatives. Yes, civility politics is dumb as hell in the face of such a dire issue, but if you want to actually move the people who need convincing, you have literally no other choice but to play along. No one who is against climate change right now will be swayed without a certain degree of it, and giving up on convincing people is not an option unless you want to go lead an armed revolution and put yourself in the crosshairs of big oil. What's more important to you? Changing minds enough to fix climate change, or ideological purity? If you think that you're too good for civility politics and working to meet people where they're at, then your sense of ideological purity clearly means more to you than actually fixing climate change. Convincing people and actually changing minds is far more important than what whatever online leftists think is sufficiently "revolutionary".
This exactly. They need actual support. Not just attention. It's one of the things I hate most about certain leftists. They have the passion, but passion has to be tempered with pragmatism to actually accomplish anything. Otherwise, it's just a group of people yelling at clouds.
Idk, i get their point is to rile anger, but in my experience, the only material change they've created is now, every time I'm doing anything climate-awareness related, people have an easier time dismissing it on the grounds of "being like those annoying pricks that ruin art" Its cool they shwacked T Swifts jet supposedly tho thats based
The orange cornflour paint makes this a non-issue for me. Can we admit this is impotent performance art though? Frankly I think people in power who benefit from climate change apathy are probably loving this.
If you get mad at the temporary paint and not at the fact that we're in the middle of a serious environmental crisis and barely anything's being done about it, your morals are ridiculous.
Throwing stuff on Stonehenge might draw public attention, but isn't it the legislators you're supposed to be persuading if you want to bring about real change? All the general public can do in most countries is vote for the right legislators. I don't think stunts like this are going to win a lot of public support, especially since most people already know about anthropogenic climate change already (and the ones who deny it won't have their minds changed by vandalizing ancient monuments).
Watching the Labor Party unite under the banner of literally giving these protesters life in prison (which is what the law says, btw, so it is very much on the table) kind of answers the question. The stop climate change party is literally been shoved into a law-and-order direction.
While we're all thinking about Stonehenge, maybe this is a good time to bring up the plan to build a road tunnel through the ground near the site. The project would fuck up any artifacts that remain in the area they're digging through and the shaking of the ground for the months or years of construction is expected to cause damage to the monument. They've been trying to do this for decades now and activists continue to desperately fight against it but they aren't giving up. If you care about Stonehenge, this is something that we should all be much more mad about
I think talking about actual climate change is more important than talking about the crazy shit protesters do. I really takes away from the real problem.
When was the last time chuds and Chud News were talking about climate change? Part of the reason that the hydrocarbon-backed right-wing channels run a constant culture war is to distract from global warming, and a lot of chuds _only_ watch Chud News.
you say it takes away from it as if people were seriously discussing and thinking about climate change with any sort of urgency. like the apathy towards the whole thing broadly in the face of all other tactics is why we're here in the first place
Lol, this makes it sound as if the world is seriously discussing to solve climate change and then these crazy protestors storm into the room and make a mess. In reality everyone was partying and doing nothing when the protesters came in and reminded them that there is an urgent issue that they are supposed to take care of.
@@pioneershark2230you’re right, they solved climate change today. Oh, what’s that? Nothing will change except they’ll get a few more members that already agreed with them to begin with? It’s pointless. They aren’t pulling any new voters over to the Green Parties with this. So what if people are “more aware” of climate change for a day? It doesn’t do anything to actually fix the problem. People are right when they say it’s just clout chasing. It’s nihilistic but it’s the truth.
Say what you want, I don't think this strategy is at all effective. Even if the discourse is disingenuous, it is encouraging disingenuous discourse. About the backlash being from people who already don't care: then what's the point? If people who are concerned with climate change are already concerned and people who aren't can't be swayed (if not having new ammo to attack climate change advocates) -- what is the point. It's not to make people talk about climate or oil that's for sure: no one is talking about oil usage, everyone is talking about historic monuments. This is not as bad as some people make it out to be, but it's also fucking dumb.
Unfortunately the people who need to hear it the most, will not understand the point of these protests. It points out how people all across the world always get really worked up over "damage" to well known works of art or natural wonders, even if the damage is temporary/symbolic, and we should be at _least_ as outraged to the (permanent) damage we're doing to the world through our various industries.
This doesn't promote good dialogue. This video is quite a clear example of how it promotes poor discourse that distracts from the subject. Because all that's being discussed is the quality of the activism, not it's subject. Not all publicity is good publicity. I am exactly the liberal who cheered the attack on the car dealerships. But attacking Stonehenge (a religions and cultural heritage site) is moronic.
I don’t care if they spray colored corn starch on religious buildings. Religious people don’t get special consideration because they are religious. Next question.
As a Brit and in agreement with the message I genuinely believe Vaush is wrong on this one. He said they say no don't do X do Y instead but if they did Y instead it would make no difference but I can say with like 99.9% certainty that actually most of the voices I've heard on the ground would be absolutely fine with them doing Y instead of X. Vaush is objectively just simply wrong on this one. Vast majority I've interacted with on the matter are not against the message just the specific method and genuinely would not be opposed if they just targeted the message differently. Most would at least not stand in the way, and many would tacitly support and quietly semi cheer on from the sidelines. Edit: not really relevant but as a side note I actually grew up just a few miles from Stonehenge and hundreds of times admired it through the window of my dad's car or later upon getting such, my own car window or motorcycle helmet visor whilst driving or riding past, usually westbound on the A303. Good times, fond memories. Please leave a historical site I have fond memories of the F* alone. People would be rightfully p*ed off if I borrowed one of those planes that drop water on forest fires and used it to drop orange paint on the pyramids in Egypt or the great wall of China or the Taj Mahal. Edit 2: no need for comments pointing out that I would get blasted out of the sky trying to drop paint on historical sites from a large slow aircraft or questioning my ability to theoretically do so (I have 8 hours so far in a Cessna towards maybe one day completing a PPL and have many thousands of hours in various simulators so almost certainly could if not intercepted by SAM), lol.
yo ignored the part where he talked about them doing Y and it not receiving any coverage because the media will not cover stuff that is effective or makes them look good
@@raz1572then keep doing Y until the media does cover it, heck I'll even join in, so long as they keep to Y and not X. Like with pro-Palestine protests against the ongoing genocide by Israel, it is important to keep doing Y (non-violent targeted protests) which have lead to CNN and MSNBC and BBC and suchlike to be forced to pretend to be impartial and cover it rather than resort to doing X (in equivalent case being violent untargeted or poorly targeted protests that would give credence to disingenuous claims of anti-Semitism and lose credibility for the cause). Just stick to doing Y and don't give up until they notice but don't resort to X and lose credibility and make enemies of potential allies or those not willing to be active allies but not also enemies so long as they are not driven to be so by X.
@@raz1572******* **** YT just immediately deleted my comment which was long and I can't be bothered to type again. Short summary: keep doing Y until media is forced to cover to maintain some pretend impartiality. Drew similarities to pro-Palestine protests. Keep doing Y (peaceful targeted protests), and don't resort to equivalent X (violent protests that could be called anti-semitic legitimately and lose the moral high-ground) and unnecessarily make enemies of those in the middle sitting on the fence.
@@raz1572@raz1572 ******* **** YT just immediately deleted my comment which was long and I can't be bothered to type again. Short summary: keep doing Y until media is forced to cover to maintain some pretend impartiality. Drew similarities to pro-Palestine protests. Keep doing Y (peaceful targeted protests), and don't resort to equivalent X (violent protests that could be called anti-semitic legitimately and lose the moral high-ground) and unnecessarily make enemies of those in the middle sitting on the fence.
@@OskarGibson That implies there are enough people to care. pro-Palestine protests where triggered by an event and a movement that reacted to the situation at the time, with massive support from student organizations globally. Climate activism can't work like that. There's very little motive for basic protests, and there's no event to trigger broader public discussion. On top of that, climate is far more readily dismissed, and that's why its activism will be rejected by people with anything resembling a busy life. A climate protest will literally never be as big as a protest to genocide, unless we're literally on fire. Harsher methods are just more effective here. Activism needs to have some catalyst, and for climate change, there's nothing.
Gee, it’s almost as if the people responsible for this have names and addresses and could be targeted instead of random museums and monuments. But you know, that would only work if the protestors are brave enough to actually make the ones responsible feel uncomfortable and not the innocent people trying to run a museum. If you’re not willing to inconvenience those in power because it might be risky/threatening, why the hell are you inconveniencing regular people instead like a coward?
The problem is dealing with global warming needs intelligent strategy, research, and education, not blind energy. These people should devote their time to educating the public rather than this stonehenge stuff. A good example of the problem blind energy can cause is Germany replacing nuclear power with solar and wind, which requires coal to be reliable, and so actually increasing their carbon footprint. Another example could be nations using their limited income to lower their C02 footprint, rather than spending more on research to lower the C02 footprint of the world.
8:41 as someone who is in favor of that sort of thing, I don't really like the stone henge thing, I'm not going to stop it or say they are wrong but it does upset me, not as much as climate change of course
Also I want to add that I just don't like the stone henge thing because it is a megalithic site, that's about it, I wasn't bothered by the egg at the oil paintings
Sometimes I ask myself how many people actually watch the video. So many comments about "why not protest big oil companies? why doing harm to cultural stuff? they are not helping their cause", when the video explicitly answers those very questions. For those that ask these forementioned questions: Watch the fuckn' video.
the people defending this are missing the point. you aren't saving the climate by defacing historic structures or generating outrage. protest in ways that are actually beneficial.
I support JSO and their fight fully, but I'm kind of wondering - all I see is people talking about is "soup on art" or "paint on stones" instead of climate change. Is it actually effective? They get the media coverage, and then what? It seems to spark more conversation about meaningful protests or vandalism rather than the fact that are planet is dying
Or volunteering your time to a group not acting like a bunch of hooligans and are actually trying to fight climate change in an organization that isn't just a circle jerk of performance activists with hardly any effect outside of their own social circles.
@@aaronjohnston2751 I work in wilderness habitat restoration because as an individual with no power influence that’s the small way I can make a positive impact on the world. I also volunteer with Search and Rescue and a animal sanctuary. This is me feeding my ego for the one person that will read it.
So they hit an actually good target, but then thought doing this to a target like that isn't just going to get people offside? You can be disruptive and get people to agree with you. This is just pretty shit to do, won't do much but get people offside, and likely cause even those who agree with the views of this activist group to write them off. People already agree with this for the most part, but they won't exactly make anything happen by pissing off normal folk. They attacked a pretty fine target, probably would have gotten just as much press with minimal negative attention from the masses, unlike this.
@@chewchewtrain because acts like this can cause real damage. That causes people to get pissed. It is also a waste of time. It has no real effect. In fact the oil industry has secretly supported acts like this to undermine real efforts.
@@davidr9883 How does it undermine real efforts? Who exactly is going be like “Well I used to think we should save the planet but now because they defaced Stonehenge I don’t believe in fighting climate change anymore”
The amount of people not understanding the point of this demonstration seriously alarms me. It's like a total lack of ability to apply concepts from one idea onto another. Point: If you get big mad at light defacing of old human monument, then you should get much much bigger mad at the fucking earth itself being destroyed irreparably. No earth = no monuments. No humans alive on hostile planet = no humans observing crumbling monuments. If you care so much about the monument, then the EARTH should be the focus. Because the trend shows we WILL die from this. And no more monuments will ever be made, nor will there be observers to appreciate the few that survive the storms and disasters.
Garbage response. The left has no concept of reality. This does absolutely nothing. Attempting to destroy ancient artifacts is insane. This behavior looks like terrorism to the general public. It in no way helps any cause. It's also LAZY. Real change takes years of dedication and hard work. You think this will spark some revolution??
When 99% of people don't agree with your intended framing of something then you don't get to scream at them it's their fault for just not getting it. Most people see zero connection between caring about the climate and caring about Stone Hedge, they just see a bunch of loons desecrating a public monument so they can scream into a microphone for a minute. Immediately ignored
What’s not getting talked about is that that they also did this to Taylor Swift’s private jet which is an objectively much better target.
that one is based
Considering the lack of coverage, definitely justifies a more extreme defacement like this.
It wasnt Taylor Swift's jet sadly, but it was a private jet.
They painted the wrong jet.
there not suicidal
The only Lychen I care about is Lychensubscribe
brava/bravi/bravo depending on your preference.
AYYYY!
😂
Hate that guy.
HEYOOOOOOOO
10,000 new lichen experts were born on that day.
There are actually cemeteries in Europe designated as a conservation area because endangered creatures call it home, including lichen on graves. I'd imagine this monument is similar to a grave where you have to be very careful what you put on it. Even the compressed air of the canister could cause damage to those ancient rocks.
@@preciousmourning8310let's be honest nobody cares about lichen like that at least not the average person. Not necessarily saying your wrong but this "concern" was after the fact. NONE of those ppl cared about Stonehenge nor the lichen let alone remembered what they even were.
There's gonna be less of those habitats or creatures the way we're going.
@@preciousmourning8310 wonder what climate chane will do to them...
TRUUUUUUUUUUU
@@preciousmourning8310 humanity > silly rocks
Came early to point out that the "orange paint" is literally just orange cornflour that will be washed off by rain
Its not like ancient cave art that’d be damaged.
It's the principal. Throwing blood on somebody isn't just ok because you tested the blood and you got a portable shower and a change of clothes on hand 😂
Then one day they f*** up and we end up with irreversible damage to a monument/landmark
@@merrbinoI didn’t know that Stonehenge was sentient.
@@merrbino these are rocks sir
Your highness, there was a second colour bomb
YOUR MAJESTY, THERE IS A SECOND BUS COMING!
lichen is becoming more and more extinct due to lack of care for climate change, im pretty sure they wont die out bc of cornstarch lmao
As a certified lichen lover I completely agree
Great point lol
Nothing can be done about climate change. It would still happen even if we never existed.
Still, you'd think the climate change activists would avoid taking any action that could potentially damage things that are already at risk from climate change. Makes the whole act of vandalism feel more like a cry for attention for themselves rather than an attempt to gain positive attention for a certain cause.
@@aaronjohnston2751some lichen is worth dying if it means a message can be spread. If activist had to make sure every little thing was okay they wouldn’t be doing anything. But regardless the idea that them doing this and potentially effecting the lichen means they are just doing it for themselves is silly when yeah the lichen ain’t gonna be around because of climate change. And it’s not always about spreading a positive message, for these types of things it’s just to spread awareness and getting attention about what their activism is about.
Mostly I'm surprised Stonehenge doesn't get a lot more graffiti. If it's this easy?
It was done in the past (when it was even easier) by Fathers For Justice.
There used to be a thing called Human Decency. Zoomers have never heard of it, just like everything else. It had a good 100k year run, now it's gone.
@@paulblichmann2791 Yeah man crazy no one ever did anything bad in the past ever until zoomers were born. Amazing analysis by you.
This isn’t even the worst thing to happen to Stonehenge lol
@@paulblichmann2791Right? It’s wild that Gen-Z invented vandalism.
37,000,000,000,000kg of CO2eqv. put into the atmosphere every year: sleep
3kg of cornflower put on some old rocks: REAL SHIT
They didn't even get that much on it, that Karen was throwing off his aim 😂
@@katyungodlyhow is it fair to call that person a Karen
@@katyungodly Give the lady a break. How is she supposed to know that it's not straight up spray paint? Would you know if you were in her shoes at that time? For all she knew in that moment, she sees people spray painting with Stonehenge....of-fucking-course she's gonna be trying to stop them. Given those circumstances, labeling her a Karen makes very little sense.
thank god it was just corn starch, I was genuinely worried that they were blasting orange paint without face covering
i mean idk how much better inhaling corn starch is
@@Alex-wi1mx probably the same or better than the cloud of Dorito dust I get when I tip the bag too far.
@@WallebyDamned You gotta block off the throat hole with your tongue, then you can just tip it all into your mouth
I just looked it up because you made me curious. Cornstarch is likely to cause lung irritation and in larger quantities inflammation of the throat. It doesn't seem to be toxic to inhale and the effects are fairly minor so they should be good as long as they aren't assblasting stonehenge with corn starch on a daily basis. Probably still wise to put on a mask tho
orange is the new stone
That's pretty funny
These stones are rather old
Nice lol, orange is a vibrant color
Orange Man *Bad* 😡 ...Orange Paint *Good* 😁
The best guy is the one that was " the hypocrates are against nuclear Energy" on twitter. I asked " are they ? I dont see anything they put out about nuclear energy." And he was like " i organised a protest once and i get the vibes they do " like cool. I not what i asked.
Wow, I hate how you use spaces
@@loremipsum2237 thats the weirdest thing somebody told me today. And i just have a discussion about if being a local farmer makes you a lichen specialist.
@@danielkorrmann5467He’s right though. It’s very annoying. Pls fix
@@vassinarain never
Dude really said "I'm going to use broken punctuation in new and terrible ways"
WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DRUIDS?!?
The druids: pushing over cops into the mud
@@lihchong2267 The joke is the monument is one of the last great Druidic holy sites.
It's the Mystery of the Droods
I mean, protesting the destruction of the ecosystem is literally the most druid thing you could possibly do.
@@lorddamienblackthorn880 They all have an attitude!
It's not even paint, though? It's basically Cheeto dust. Sticky as it is, it should wash off in the rain...
it doesn't matter, most of the media said paint. normies think they painted it. those are the normie votes we need
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LYCHEN (OR WHATEVER THAT STUFF IS THEY SAID WOULD BE HARMED)? DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THAT?! I DO! A LOT!
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THAT STUFF??!!!!
@@dzhang4459Lichen rights! We must defend our voiceless algae, fungal complexes!
@@genxunclekey "But, seeee, it has COLOR, obviously it's PAINT, duhhhh!"
@@HarryDirtay eww, is that what that stuff is? Well I guess it's VERY important to me now and I'm OUTRAGED.
As Vaush says in the video, this is a protest move not gain sympathy, but to point out that people care more about some rocks than they do about the impending climate apocalypse.
Doing shit like this and blocking traffic doesn't really help the cause IMO. If anything it makes JSO look like obnoxious dickheads and make people more likely to sympathize with the oil companies.
I mean, ok? if that's the goal just stop oils definitely succeeding, but how are they going to actually get those people, who they've now pissed off, and convince them to actually do anything to delay or lessen the effects of climate change?
I get the British government is whack right now and I get the public are kinda crazy about certain things, but if you don't at least try to convince people into actually doing the things you want them too then how are you going to get things done?
Its impossible to care about archeology and climate change. Please ignore all the archeologists who care about what climate change will do to destroy historical sites.
can't you care both. like isn't it a realm of least possibility that oe care about the earth but think this a dick move
To be fair those rocks are of great historical importance to us Brits.
It kinda looks like someone spilled the mac and cheese packet all over the heads on Easter Island.
🧀🗿
I find the "rules of protesting" hilarious.
Which basically amounts to "shout to the void and hope someone listens".
Please protest alone, quietly, inside your own homes for maximum ignorability.
It's surreal seeing myself in one of Vaush's videos after watching him for several years. I said this already live at the time but the sentiment still stands- much love to Vaush and co for your continued support of Just Stop Oil.
You are heroes. History, if we will have any, will give you justice. Keep fighting! 💚
NOOOOO NOT THE LICHEN
YEAH THAT STUFF! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THAT STUFF??!!!
All lichen will die if global warming keeps going so we know they don’t give a fuck
@@dzhang4459 wonder what climate change will do to em
@@dzhang4459 won't someone think of the towers!?!?!? -> Your smartass comment probably after 9/11
Lichtenstein
Can’t wait to see how the subreddit is gonna look after this one
It is already filled with libs
alright i'll admit, you've changed my mind on this one. we're talking about climate now aren't we? also i think the fact that they have the foresight to avoid causing significant damage to these landmarks certainly helps
Name one person in the entire world who either didn't know about climate change before or changed their mind about it because of this. I'll wait.
@@andrewbecker1013 i don't think converting non-believers or educating ignorant people is the main goal so much as it is to - like i said - get people talking about the issue, and try to bring it back to the forefront. because what good does it do if people simply believe in the concept of climate change if its not talked about enough to the point where something is actually done to prevent/mitigate it.
I'll be real. I kinda dismissed Just stop oil, initially. But, my respect has grown for them.
Why? All they do is sabotage a good cause.
@@NeverKetamine People like you are part of the problem...
They sabotage it in no way.@@NeverKetamine
@@NeverKetamine Did you even watch the video?
@@NeverKetamineThe rocks will be fine
If I were a young activist looking for a cause, JSO would be a readily apparent choice because they are VISIBLE. Unlike many activist organizations, they actually get attention.
Not all attention is good. 😂
@@s0515033All attention is better than no attention
Do you really want to join the activist group that is almost universally seen as bunch of larping jackasses who claim to be fighting for climate change but are actually just trying to make themselves look good in their social groups? Hell, just by donating a dollar to a real organization pushing for better laws regarding climate change you will be doing more good than your average Just Stop Oil member.
A second cornstarch just flew into Henge 2.
starch cant melt stone beams!
woaw (based based based based based based)
They did the same to some private jets and people were saying the same shit.
It literally doesn’t matter how people protest. If they don’t annoy you then no one will pay attention! Obviously….
Would they rather protestors bomb an oil refinery? Make some anti-aircraft missiles and wait for industrial tycoons to fly by on private jet?
genuinely asking because I don't know, but was the backlash from them orenging some private jets as big as them doing the same to Stonehenge?
no one on the left said attacking the private jets was stupid. You're making that up, AKA lying. People on the right are going to say it's all stupid but there are those on the left that are saying the Stonehenge thing is not helping
Wait, really? I'd massively prefer wrecking private aircraft over painting some old rocks.
@@genxunclekey Obivously no one on the left said attacking the private jets was stupid. No one on the left said attacking Stonehenge was stupid either.
@@Fusseliko I see a lot of lefties pearl clutch about Stonehenge.
It's so very frustrating that a lot of the people criticizing this from the left don't seem to have any idea what their goals are with these stunts, so all you get is bunch of completely uninformed opinions.
They don't do these stunts because they think people will like them. They do these stunts for attention to drive recruitment and to fundraise so they have the funds and the people to do other operations, operations like occupying oil terminals. In this particular case they are raising funds, as they intend to escalate their protests this summer to target airports in particular.
I would suggest people check out the video Vaush did interviewing a Just Stop Oil activist.
Their goals are dumb, even when you understand them.
Great for them, however, if people who aren't convinced see them doing this then they just become further radicalized with opinions such as: "Goddamn climate activists are so annoying, all they're doing is destroying priceless history." or "This is obviously immature actions caused by crybabies who aren't getting their way."
Vaush even said it himself that at the moment, nothing works, but this sure as hell isn't helping and will only worsen the problem, if we lose the 2025 election it will be partially due to "activism" like this.
I don't necessarily agree with how they do their methods but I hella get it. They actually do a lot of protests at major pollutant producers but they just get arrested and the news dont cover them. They've also outlined every time to make sure art and artifacts are not destroyed when they do their protests
They say “you’re attacking the wrong target!” Then you say “ok, who is the right target that you’d be ok with us protesting against?” And then they shut the fuck up because they don’t have an actual answer to that question.
But when Just Stop Oil DOES go after the right targets like Car Dealerships and Taylor Swifts Jet, no one gives a fuck/or still get mad.
It's almost like you're not going to solve the problem by throwing flour or soup at *anything* and it's just a generally stupid way to conduct a protest movement.
@@ashfox7498it got people talking about it, which was the goal. It worked perfectly.
Gee, it’s almost as if the people responsible for this have names and addresses and could be targeted instead of random museums and monuments. But you know, that would only work if the protestors are brave enough to actually make the one’s responsible feel uncomfortable and not the innocent people trying to run a museum. If you’re not willing to inconvenience those in power because it might be risky/threatening, why the hell are you inconveniencing regular people instead like a coward?
I think Just Stop Oil vastly overestimates the effectiveness of disruption/attention grabbing over persuasion, but I can still evaluate smarter and dumber tactics within their worldview. When they spraypainted a luxury car showroom, that was thoughtful in a couple ways that is not true of spraypainting Stonehenge or throwing soup at paintings or blocking traffic. Firstly, the connection between car and oil use is identifiable even to fairly apathetic or uneducated members of the public. Secondly, their move inconvenienced an actual CEO whose business relies on oil, as opposed to making Joe Citizen's life harder for seemingly no good reason. Thus making the public less likely to support climate change reform, not more.
I love this shit about "the planet is dying anyway". The planet is not dying. 500 million years from now we will be curious fossils to sentient beings that descended from mice. We are a pimple on the arsehole of existence on this planet. George Carlin said it best. "We don't need to save the planet, we need to save ourselves".
Yeah, this is what has always kinda baffled me. Mother nature will adapt and life on this planet will move on. We're only screwing ourselves (and every other being who has evolved to survive in the current world)
You are absolutely right that the planet will survive what we are throwing at it. However, it is worth pointing out that the rapid change humans are causing to the planet in such a small time is probably fairly unique. We are causing quite the stir.
Harrison Ford did a speech on this once actually, and it really opened my eyes to the true danger of Climate Change. It's not about the Earth dying, its about US dying. The Earth and Nature will heal and adapt to the new environment, humanity can not. We're destroying ourselves, not the Earth.
I doubt the Earth has enough time left to evolve sapience from scratch. So if humans go extinct, the fossils we leave behind will likely go unexamined until the Sun engulfs the Earth. The rest of life on Earth? It will persist here after we perish for about another billion years like it always has.
Doesn't make it good.
To be honest, I'm very passionate about history, also intriqued by those Stone Age structures (as some just have basis of a building, that creates a ring/outline of stones), and as to how archeologists took the other 'Seahenge' to the museum, despite the pagan and local community objecting to it staunchly, was bad. And whilst I'm glad it was just orange starch, it somewhat kind of instinctively irks me how people treat those artifacts, especially as they remain in the same place they were found in. I think preventing climate change (or slowing it down) is a good cause though, especially as it endangers other artifacts (or just shows them to the elements, like finds from ice bjergs) and am glad it wasn't really damaged.
Also personally, I'd be okay Just Stop Oil terrorizing any company or their adjecants, or plants. Even commerce and so forth.
Come on, corn starch spray paint washes off. It doesn’t damage the monument.
@@melissawickersham9912 They are literally in the middle of trying to scan the surface and sus out the original markings the stones were built with. They are under so much graffiti and surface damage, the average thickness of the original carvings is just seven atoms thick. Seven atoms. They are less than 3% finished with the scans, and because one of the small sections they had scanned was hit it has been gone over and checked, and the original markings are already no longer visible. A sizable fraction of the window we had into the oldest erect monument in our history, has been closed to us.
Worse the social taboo against risking ancient structures has been weakened just that little bit more.
@@rokka7188 That's the thing, they have to attack things you're not okay with being attacked for you to care for even one minute about climate change. See you next time something you like gets attacked and you say:
"Oh yeah, humanity is going extinct if we don't start taking climate change seriously. But this is just too radical and uncivil!"
You think you are being so incredibly generous and kind to these protestors by giving them permission to target oil companies, so you can sleep and never think you share responsibility for the planet's fate
You say you are passionate about history, yet ignorant to history in the making.
History doesn't stop with us.
Looks cool orange tbh
I’m so tired of having to explain and defend this shit with normal people. It just strikes the average person as either badly misguided or outright cynical outrage bait (which I suppose in a way it is.) and trying to explain it to them is an exercise
Yet it’s hard to see what other option they really have, the incredibly based stuff with the private jets earlier today will get one tenth of the coverage. Not hard to see why the attention from this is preferable to JSO.
Because so much of the populace has no ability to think critically. Just like "thing more expensive now - individual politician to blame!" - instead of thinking any deeper about root causes.
Maybe if you have to keep explaining it it's not and effective form of protest?
@DissonusWren this is the real "based" take.
Man, I sure do love how the immediate reaction to people trying to remind us the planet is dying is to wag our fingers and tell them to do it properly.
Nothing to worry about, folks.
do you want the action to get people on our side, because that didn't happen
@@genxunclekey Ahh, yes, you're literally saying what people said about MLK and the civil rights movement. Good job!
@@genxunclekeyanyone who decided they don’t care about climate change because of this was never on our side in the first place. be real. this didn’t change anyone’s opinions one way or the other. and that was never the point in the first place. they can’t control what people think, but they can control what people think about.
@@genxunclekey
You people are dense as wood.
Vaush tells you their strategy a million times, and you just ignore it and continue to be on the same side of this discourse as the far-right and the capitalist pigs that are responsible for our impending apocalypse.
@@genxunclekey "Be more civil, guys! It's only the ultimate fate of the planet at balance here, guys! Can you please be nicer, guys! It's not that serious, guys!"
I knew Vaush would have a based take on this.
What take was based? When he said its okay to do stuff that wont actually change minds as long as it get you attention? Its a toddler level take. Let me smear my dirty diaper on the wall because i cant have my cookies now.
Anyone who defends this literally has never seen grass
the pundit on the right was so close to getting it...
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is some shit Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago. It’s pathetic.
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is something Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago. It’s pathetic.
They both got the point. Making regular people hate you isn’t going to cause any real change. They’re just clout chasers and they discredit real protestors who ACTUALLY want to stop climate change and who ACTUALLY have a plan. This is something Logan Paul or Supreme Patty would’ve done 7 years ago.
imagine if they would put this effort into studying ways to actually help the planet like how scientifics who actually give a shit about climate change do
Scientists figured out the problem and solutions decades ago. Their wanings have fallen on deaf ears. It's a problem of implementation. Also, there is a climate scientist protests group that do similar protests.
Damn, watch carl sagan giving a speech to the American government 50 years ago and see the wonderful ripple effect that caused (its on youtube)
Pearl clutchers caring more about a few stones than all life is pure cringe.
Not to be a semantics Andy, but climate change won't destroy all life. Just devastate most ecosystems and heavily disrupt or destroy civilization as we know it. Life will still be here. Even humans
Stones that are completely unaffected.
I believe in climate change, and if I was there I'd be throwing elbows. If their goal is to outrage people, mission accomplished. They're not changing the minds of the entrenched, and they're alienating the few allies they have.
Great work, top marks.
I care for life... Just life in western (White) countries./s
Pearl clutchers who probably don’t even realize the monument has been moved, taken apart, restored, and reassembled several times in modern history. Entire stones have been removed and added in the 1900’s. And the whole thing was effectively rebuilt in the 1950’s and now sits on concrete because rocks would sink in to the ground or fall over. Hell, architects who do this frequently leave coins embedded in the stones as a signature of their work. It’s not some sacred untouched object that’s survived thousands of years. It’s broken down and has been fixed several times, as recently as 2021.
Stonehenge has been there for thousands of years, they'll survive some paint.
My question though is if their goal isn't to gain sympathy and just to get attention, how does getting attentions (especially negative attention) progress any real action against oil companies? I just don't see how these kind of actions could possibly be effective.
Vaush had an interview with JSO activist, go listen to it
They use the attention to drive recruitment so they have the people to do other actions like occupying oil terminals. In this specific case, they also did fundraising, as they intend to escalate their operations this summer.
Its bringing people to the conversation and people who care more about walls rocks and protected paintings look dumb
Then read up on the civil rights movement. They didn't win by getting sympathy either but by getting on peoples nerves, which made people take the issue serious and motivated them to do something to fix it. MLK was the most hated man in America for a reason.
These kinds of actions are demonstrations of desperation. They motivated people that are not already blackpilled (like you I assume?) to take action themselves. If you want others to take action, you have to take action yourself. If you want to convince people that the problem is serious, you have to show them that you believe so yourself. And you have to keep reminding them of it.
Just getting the topic itself into the public eye
well, the stones probably won't mind and the druids surely would love that shit. :-)
i mean the protest shit, not the climate shit.
Druids would burn you alive for disrespecting their holy sights. WTF you talking about?
@@markmilne765It’s just a pile of dumb rocks
Remember, a protest that can be ignored is not a real protest.
This can be ignored by the majority of people too, though. They will go "hey, these guys are lunatics" and write them off. Time to eat my McHeart attack.
@@s0515033but they dont they Talk about them for hours.
They do ignore how ever the protests they do they told them would make more sense.
Any protest where you can gather together barely a dozen protestors is not real protest either.
That is what is pissing me off about Stop-oil morons and similiar others most. They are unable to explain their cause and convince people to agree with them so they go "hostage situaion" route instead. It does not matter how much they anger people. In the end, no one is taking their cause seriously when they show up with such pitifull numbers.
@@s0515033 They are lunatics who like to block traffic and vandalize to feel like they're accomplishing something.
@@s0515033 News of this one crossed the pond to me, so they're doing a pretty good job at getting attention
Worried about the lichen????? Can people not see where all the lichen is already worn off from people touching the stone?
I'm British and I'm down with this.
Lichen concern-trollers showing their whole ass, meanwhile global warming is causing major damage to lichen populations in Polar regions.
Even if this was real paint, who cares? It’s ancient and part of history? Ok, are we not allowed to make new history ourselves? This is an important topic and it needs attention. It’s also not their fault they had to vandalize such an important monument.
They must have also protested over Cheeto Benito's face.
I think it's just a very non pointed way of doing activism, imo it would be much more poingnant to terrorize things related to bad policies and other acts that harm the environment, like bring light to closed door deals and large scale decitions or baring of environmental efforts with eco terrorism, there are lots of them and there's zero reprocautions, since not a lot of people get to see them.
Or go after monuments that have been funded by oil or other corporate sponsored art projects.
For you, yes. But Stonehenge is an important international tourist destination - it's going to get attention internationally, and get the attention of regional business groups that sponsor MPs for hundreds of miles around
But then you wouldn't leave angry comments like this, so ultimately it led to you having more awareness of the issue. Maybe next time you're voting, you'll be so scared of the climate activists destroying the things you love that you'll vote in favor of more climate-conscious politicians :D
They do do things like that all the damn time, this is just the tactics that get headlines
@@displayer6023 I'm not really mad, i was just wondering if the acitivism could be done more effectively, but as another commentor pointed out, the media would likely never cover it and it would likely never get viral
"Why do people target famous stuff to get attention?!
As much as i don't care about the landmark itself i have to agree with the chatter at the beginning, this is kinda difficult to defend even though i agree with the message.
at least its easily washable (possibly) but it still makes us look bad because its a beautiful landmark (which is also a part of the environment btw) being defaced, there are better ways to get people's attention (and on the actual cause too) then doing stupid shit like this.
idk maybe I'm wrong, im open to discussion on this, but i feel like sometimes bad publicity is just bad publicity, it can direct attention and people away from the cause.
"there are better ways to get people's attention" like what? Genuinely, like what, give an example. This is the biggest news story I've seen regarding climate change since the soup thing so... seems to get people's attention more than anything anyone else is doing.
Like the media wasn't paying any attention at all before, now they're talking about it. You can't draw people's attention away from something they weren't paying attention to anyway. It seems to have worked perfectly.
shit lib take 😮💨 they don't actually damage any of these artworks, it's just to get on TV. They do actually based stuff but no one will report on it
Honestly listening to those neolib brit news anchors talk has made me go from understanding JSO’s point but thinking that they’re kinda meh to 100% supporting them. Like god damn, “just write the government a strongly worded letter”? That’s their idea of peak activism? That was so sad that it hurt to hear. They’re literally just the stereotypes of the ineffective moderates who love being civil and quiet more than they hate the actual problems that need to be addressed. This is what end-stage civility politics looks like.
I don’t see how it helps the climate cause, from what I’ve seen it makes people less sympathetic and more apathetic
People could be more apathetic?
Vaush explained it several times in this and other videos he did on them.
You didn't listen to vaush at all, did you?
what we're seeing in response to this is the opposite of apathy, like apathy seems to be the default that everyone is working off rn in regards to climate change
@@LordOfTime23 old habits are hard to break
If you don't like the oil industry, destroy an oil rig, not an ancient structure.
Edit: Holy shit, the people criticizing JSO's form of protest are kinda reminding me of people trying to refocus BLM conversations to be about rioting and looting, without understanding the valid resentment behind it.
2:06 Vaush I'm actually disappointed. Where's the "I'm not really lichen that train of thought" type pun?!
This is counterproductive. People who don’t care about climate change or are on the fence will jump to the opposite side of the debate because of this type of protest. It’s like didn’t care about this issue now I’m going to be for whatever that idiot is against out of anger and spite.
Nobody is talking about climate change. They are talking about these idiots.
This happens every time these morons pull their performative 90's era "activism". They target things unrelated to climate change, alienate the public, and give up their chance to shape the narrative and hand it off to the very people they want to oppose. It's a prolifically foolish strategy.
Just stop oil received its largest surge in new members after the soup thing. It works.
you yourself just talked about it
I thought like you before, but i realized that if ecovandalism remains constant, the general public starts to think "hmmm, those people are consistently being arrested, but they still continue to protest, maybe climate change is real"
@@jaybee27DMhhmm how much was the news coverage about climate change? Oh
How’d this kind of stuff work out for PETA? More people roll their eyes at their protests and they haven’t been relevant for 20 years.
The difference is that PETA protests for animal rights, something that is very easy for people to not care about no matter what forms of protest for it exist. Just Stop Oil is protesting our future inability to grow food for ourselves. Much easier to convince people to care about that.
Top of the Most Wanted list for orange spray is Taylor Swift's private jet windshield.
But who is this supposed to convince actually. And I know the action itself isn't meant to do that, but don't these actions just shed a negative light on the climate change fighters side as a whole, like, it's so easy to film a scary mockumentary out of this
I feel like the point is to make sure you can't forget that climate change is happening and the government can't insist that they are doing enough (if you did, why would there be protests).
Art and Stonehenge isn't gonna matter at all if we're all dead
Suddenly they care about historical landmarks like climate change isn't also threatening them? Hows the lychen gonna do in 40-50C weather?
As an anthropology student, i really disliked this one, i think it sets a bad presedent to vandalize already fragile sites, the original targeting stuff that was behind protective glass was better imo
Nah
@@phantom_dronetf you mean nah
It’s corn starch. Site maintainers admitted the most concerning consequence is the lichen *MAY* be negatively affected.
As anth grad, you might want to be more concerned about the very real degradation of sites in England and not some corn starch. Cutting down the tree in the Sycamore Gap is 10x as upsetting as this.
@@amellirizarry9503 there are tons of UNESCO world heritage sites on coasts that are directly threatened by climate change. Be mad about that, not about this.
Some people care more about history than the future. 🙄
Orangehenge > Greyhenge
Good on Just Stop Oil for doing that! Effective activism is what we need more of in the world right now!
It's just a bad optics move, and is not going to convince anyone. It paints environmental activists as people who deface art and historical artifacts, and this type of bad PR is the last thing we need. FFS there are like a million other targets that you could've done this to that wouldn't cause this negative PR, would still generate attention, and would've been far more beneficial overall, but no, we're going to deface a historical monument known worldwide that's completely unrelated to climate change. Fucking genius.
Climate change is an issue almost everyone is aware of these days, whether or not they truly understand the threat, and raising awareness in this manner hurts the cause, possibly more than it helps. We don't need to appease a bunch of lefties and fulfill their own need to do _something_ , we need to be convincing _liberals_ and _conservatives_ that this is a problem with effective strategies, and approaches that meet them where they're at. I don't give a fuck if any leftist thinks Just Stop Oil's actions are effective, I care if _the people we need to sway_ think they're effective, and clearly they don't, given by the reaction from liberals and conservatives.
Yes, civility politics is dumb as hell in the face of such a dire issue, but if you want to actually move the people who need convincing, you have literally no other choice but to play along. No one who is against climate change right now will be swayed without a certain degree of it, and giving up on convincing people is not an option unless you want to go lead an armed revolution and put yourself in the crosshairs of big oil. What's more important to you? Changing minds enough to fix climate change, or ideological purity? If you think that you're too good for civility politics and working to meet people where they're at, then your sense of ideological purity clearly means more to you than actually fixing climate change. Convincing people and actually changing minds is far more important than what whatever online leftists think is sufficiently "revolutionary".
This exactly. They need actual support. Not just attention.
It's one of the things I hate most about certain leftists. They have the passion, but passion has to be tempered with pragmatism to actually accomplish anything. Otherwise, it's just a group of people yelling at clouds.
Idk, i get their point is to rile anger, but in my experience, the only material change they've created is now, every time I'm doing anything climate-awareness related, people have an easier time dismissing it on the grounds of "being like those annoying pricks that ruin art"
Its cool they shwacked T Swifts jet supposedly tho thats based
The orange cornflour paint makes this a non-issue for me. Can we admit this is impotent performance art though? Frankly I think people in power who benefit from climate change apathy are probably loving this.
Give us some examples of some potent actions then, that have at least an equal or greater effect than what JSO does.
An inconvenient truth: Al gore would have been a good president.
_"Why aren't the activist just Thanos snapping all the oil if it's such a problem?!"_
If you get mad at the temporary paint and not at the fact that we're in the middle of a serious environmental crisis and barely anything's being done about it, your morals are ridiculous.
Climate change can't be stopped, no matter how much money we throw at it. No matter how much we give up, nothing will change it.
Throwing stuff on Stonehenge might draw public attention, but isn't it the legislators you're supposed to be persuading if you want to bring about real change? All the general public can do in most countries is vote for the right legislators. I don't think stunts like this are going to win a lot of public support, especially since most people already know about anthropogenic climate change already (and the ones who deny it won't have their minds changed by vandalizing ancient monuments).
Watching the Labor Party unite under the banner of literally giving these protesters life in prison (which is what the law says, btw, so it is very much on the table) kind of answers the question. The stop climate change party is literally been shoved into a law-and-order direction.
got here early enough that most of the top comments are completely mindless
Based Just Stop Oil, keep it up. Literally the only good thing that's coming out of UK lol
While we're all thinking about Stonehenge, maybe this is a good time to bring up the plan to build a road tunnel through the ground near the site. The project would fuck up any artifacts that remain in the area they're digging through and the shaking of the ground for the months or years of construction is expected to cause damage to the monument. They've been trying to do this for decades now and activists continue to desperately fight against it but they aren't giving up. If you care about Stonehenge, this is something that we should all be much more mad about
the end justifies the memes
Well, at least we'll have some pretty rocks when the web of life completely unravels and we watch millions of people die within our lifetime!
lol ok doomer. 😂
I think talking about actual climate change is more important than talking about the crazy shit protesters do. I really takes away from the real problem.
People don’t talk about actual climate change very much though, and they talk about it more with these stunts, that’s the whole point
When was the last time chuds and Chud News were talking about climate change? Part of the reason that the hydrocarbon-backed right-wing channels run a constant culture war is to distract from global warming, and a lot of chuds _only_ watch Chud News.
you say it takes away from it as if people were seriously discussing and thinking about climate change with any sort of urgency. like the apathy towards the whole thing broadly in the face of all other tactics is why we're here in the first place
Lol, this makes it sound as if the world is seriously discussing to solve climate change and then these crazy protestors storm into the room and make a mess. In reality everyone was partying and doing nothing when the protesters came in and reminded them that there is an urgent issue that they are supposed to take care of.
@@pioneershark2230you’re right, they solved climate change today. Oh, what’s that? Nothing will change except they’ll get a few more members that already agreed with them to begin with? It’s pointless. They aren’t pulling any new voters over to the Green Parties with this. So what if people are “more aware” of climate change for a day? It doesn’t do anything to actually fix the problem. People are right when they say it’s just clout chasing. It’s nihilistic but it’s the truth.
Say what you want, I don't think this strategy is at all effective. Even if the discourse is disingenuous, it is encouraging disingenuous discourse. About the backlash being from people who already don't care: then what's the point? If people who are concerned with climate change are already concerned and people who aren't can't be swayed (if not having new ammo to attack climate change advocates) -- what is the point. It's not to make people talk about climate or oil that's for sure: no one is talking about oil usage, everyone is talking about historic monuments. This is not as bad as some people make it out to be, but it's also fucking dumb.
* _The druids did not like that._ * lol
Unfortunately the people who need to hear it the most, will not understand the point of these protests. It points out how people all across the world always get really worked up over "damage" to well known works of art or natural wonders, even if the damage is temporary/symbolic, and we should be at _least_ as outraged to the (permanent) damage we're doing to the world through our various industries.
If there not listening why keep doing it
This doesn't promote good dialogue. This video is quite a clear example of how it promotes poor discourse that distracts from the subject. Because all that's being discussed is the quality of the activism, not it's subject. Not all publicity is good publicity. I am exactly the liberal who cheered the attack on the car dealerships. But attacking Stonehenge (a religions and cultural heritage site) is moronic.
What would you say if they targeted a mosque?
Mecca and much of the Islamic world is heavily tied to oil politics...
Would depend on who was doing it. Just Stop Oil? Fine.
I don’t care if they spray colored corn starch on religious buildings. Religious people don’t get special consideration because they are religious. Next question.
As a Brit and in agreement with the message I genuinely believe Vaush is wrong on this one. He said they say no don't do X do Y instead but if they did Y instead it would make no difference but I can say with like 99.9% certainty that actually most of the voices I've heard on the ground would be absolutely fine with them doing Y instead of X. Vaush is objectively just simply wrong on this one. Vast majority I've interacted with on the matter are not against the message just the specific method and genuinely would not be opposed if they just targeted the message differently. Most would at least not stand in the way, and many would tacitly support and quietly semi cheer on from the sidelines.
Edit: not really relevant but as a side note I actually grew up just a few miles from Stonehenge and hundreds of times admired it through the window of my dad's car or later upon getting such, my own car window or motorcycle helmet visor whilst driving or riding past, usually westbound on the A303. Good times, fond memories. Please leave a historical site I have fond memories of the F* alone. People would be rightfully p*ed off if I borrowed one of those planes that drop water on forest fires and used it to drop orange paint on the pyramids in Egypt or the great wall of China or the Taj Mahal.
Edit 2: no need for comments pointing out that I would get blasted out of the sky trying to drop paint on historical sites from a large slow aircraft or questioning my ability to theoretically do so (I have 8 hours so far in a Cessna towards maybe one day completing a PPL and have many thousands of hours in various simulators so almost certainly could if not intercepted by SAM), lol.
yo ignored the part where he talked about them doing Y and it not receiving any coverage because the media will not cover stuff that is effective or makes them look good
@@raz1572then keep doing Y until the media does cover it, heck I'll even join in, so long as they keep to Y and not X. Like with pro-Palestine protests against the ongoing genocide by Israel, it is important to keep doing Y (non-violent targeted protests) which have lead to CNN and MSNBC and BBC and suchlike to be forced to pretend to be impartial and cover it rather than resort to doing X (in equivalent case being violent untargeted or poorly targeted protests that would give credence to disingenuous claims of anti-Semitism and lose credibility for the cause). Just stick to doing Y and don't give up until they notice but don't resort to X and lose credibility and make enemies of potential allies or those not willing to be active allies but not also enemies so long as they are not driven to be so by X.
@@raz1572******* **** YT just immediately deleted my comment which was long and I can't be bothered to type again. Short summary: keep doing Y until media is forced to cover to maintain some pretend impartiality. Drew similarities to pro-Palestine protests. Keep doing Y (peaceful targeted protests), and don't resort to equivalent X (violent protests that could be called anti-semitic legitimately and lose the moral high-ground) and unnecessarily make enemies of those in the middle sitting on the fence.
@@raz1572@raz1572 ******* **** YT just immediately deleted my comment which was long and I can't be bothered to type again. Short summary: keep doing Y until media is forced to cover to maintain some pretend impartiality. Drew similarities to pro-Palestine protests. Keep doing Y (peaceful targeted protests), and don't resort to equivalent X (violent protests that could be called anti-semitic legitimately and lose the moral high-ground) and unnecessarily make enemies of those in the middle sitting on the fence.
@@OskarGibson That implies there are enough people to care. pro-Palestine protests where triggered by an event and a movement that reacted to the situation at the time, with massive support from student organizations globally. Climate activism can't work like that. There's very little motive for basic protests, and there's no event to trigger broader public discussion. On top of that, climate is far more readily dismissed, and that's why its activism will be rejected by people with anything resembling a busy life. A climate protest will literally never be as big as a protest to genocide, unless we're literally on fire. Harsher methods are just more effective here. Activism needs to have some catalyst, and for climate change, there's nothing.
Making people mad is not going to sway them to your opinion.
popularity isn't the goal.
Making ignoring the issue unsustainable is the goal
it opens the question: what are the right targets?
Roads, government buildings, any company involved with fossil fuels or heavy emitter companies. So many options that aren’t ancient monuments
Gee, it’s almost as if the people responsible for this have names and addresses and could be targeted instead of random museums and monuments. But you know, that would only work if the protestors are brave enough to actually make the ones responsible feel uncomfortable and not the innocent people trying to run a museum. If you’re not willing to inconvenience those in power because it might be risky/threatening, why the hell are you inconveniencing regular people instead like a coward?
The oil companies. The fact this even had to be said only makes the protestors look dense.
Crazy idea, but how about going after the oil companies and their HQs/CEOs, instead of unconnected museums and monuments?
or how about none of that. go plant some trees. create a positive impact instead of coloring random crap.
The problem is dealing with global warming needs intelligent strategy, research, and education, not blind energy. These people should devote their time to educating the public rather than this stonehenge stuff. A good example of the problem blind energy can cause is Germany replacing nuclear power with solar and wind, which requires coal to be reliable, and so actually increasing their carbon footprint. Another example could be nations using their limited income to lower their C02 footprint, rather than spending more on research to lower the C02 footprint of the world.
awful take
orange rock good
8:41 as someone who is in favor of that sort of thing, I don't really like the stone henge thing, I'm not going to stop it or say they are wrong but it does upset me, not as much as climate change of course
Also I want to add that I just don't like the stone henge thing because it is a megalithic site, that's about it, I wasn't bothered by the egg at the oil paintings
Most stupid Action ever. Instead of gaining something for your goals you turned an entire Nation against you. Well done😂😂😂😂
Sometimes I ask myself how many people actually watch the video. So many comments about "why not protest big oil companies? why doing harm to cultural stuff? they are not helping their cause", when the video explicitly answers those very questions. For those that ask these forementioned questions: Watch the fuckn' video.
I second this. What the fuck is wrong with people, can't they just listen to others' arguments before arguing?
the people defending this are missing the point. you aren't saving the climate by defacing historic structures or generating outrage. protest in ways that are actually beneficial.
But than people stop caring and just see them as jackasses
I support JSO and their fight fully, but I'm kind of wondering - all I see is people talking about is "soup on art" or "paint on stones" instead of climate change. Is it actually effective? They get the media coverage, and then what? It seems to spark more conversation about meaningful protests or vandalism rather than the fact that are planet is dying
Every time someone says they should go after the "real" targets it gets a slight push in the common consciousness.
There’s always a “right” way to protest, watching from the sidelines
As that reporter said, write a letter to your representative and get ignored by them. That's how you protest properly.
Or volunteering your time to a group not acting like a bunch of hooligans and are actually trying to fight climate change in an organization that isn't just a circle jerk of performance activists with hardly any effect outside of their own social circles.
@@aaronjohnston2751 I work in wilderness habitat restoration because as an individual with no power influence that’s the small way I can make a positive impact on the world. I also volunteer with Search and Rescue and a animal sanctuary. This is me feeding my ego for the one person that will read it.
based!
So they hit an actually good target, but then thought doing this to a target like that isn't just going to get people offside?
You can be disruptive and get people to agree with you. This is just pretty shit to do, won't do much but get people offside, and likely cause even those who agree with the views of this activist group to write them off. People already agree with this for the most part, but they won't exactly make anything happen by pissing off normal folk. They attacked a pretty fine target, probably would have gotten just as much press with minimal negative attention from the masses, unlike this.
Id wager that the ancient britons painted all their special sites and stone circles for religious reasons
No this is a stupid idea that tends to have the opposite effect.
What is the opposite effect? The point is to get attention and it got attention.
@@chewchewtrain Right, don't let the conversation die down.
@@chewchewtrain because acts like this can cause real damage. That causes people to get pissed. It is also a waste of time. It has no real effect. In fact the oil industry has secretly supported acts like this to undermine real efforts.
@@davidr9883 How does it undermine real efforts? Who exactly is going be like “Well I used to think we should save the planet but now because they defaced Stonehenge I don’t believe in fighting climate change anymore”
@@chewchewtrain it got attention on how to crack down on these protesters not about their message
Very cringe very disgusting
The amount of people not understanding the point of this demonstration seriously alarms me. It's like a total lack of ability to apply concepts from one idea onto another.
Point: If you get big mad at light defacing of old human monument, then you should get much much bigger mad at the fucking earth itself being destroyed irreparably. No earth = no monuments. No humans alive on hostile planet = no humans observing crumbling monuments. If you care so much about the monument, then the EARTH should be the focus. Because the trend shows we WILL die from this. And no more monuments will ever be made, nor will there be observers to appreciate the few that survive the storms and disasters.
Garbage response. The left has no concept of reality. This does absolutely nothing. Attempting to destroy ancient artifacts is insane. This behavior looks like terrorism to the general public. It in no way helps any cause. It's also LAZY. Real change takes years of dedication and hard work. You think this will spark some revolution??
Earth is fine, it went through much worse shit. We didn't, and we won't be fine
@@kingsteel2972semantics
When 99% of people don't agree with your intended framing of something then you don't get to scream at them it's their fault for just not getting it. Most people see zero connection between caring about the climate and caring about Stone Hedge, they just see a bunch of loons desecrating a public monument so they can scream into a microphone for a minute. Immediately ignored
@@ashfox7498 hey btw ur using a fake number to try and justify ur own belief that this should be ignored