By several country miles, this is the absolute business/ shizznit, although always loved 'Bring it on Home to Me' too and Sentimental Movie too The Garden (from this same bootleg) is so much better than the official release
This is not Guns N’ Roses. This is a song West Arkeen wrote and plays guitar on. Axl just sang on it as a placeholder to help out his friend with the demo.
It was first released by asphalt ballet in 1993. Then later it was covered by Wild side but not until 2004. I wish they would have given it to skid rowe around 89 or 90. It would have been a good fit. If not skid rowe then maybe even l.a. guns. Axl wasn't so much a placeholder but helped them by recording the demo for the song. But he did technically co-write it with Wes and the others - got a writing credit.
You can hear they probably used an old tape to record this. One that has been recorded and recorded over again from the wobbliness - or the old music bleeding through into the new track. Could have even been just a simple boombox on a maxell cassette and when they were old they got a little wobbly too. Although I would love a better recording of it it does give it an interesting quality. I know people say the other bands did a good job on this song but I mean if GNR had done this song it would have been one of the best of the 80's - the vocals are amazing and fit the song so perfectly, the guitar is classic 80's but not over the top - it totally first the song - shredding often isn't needed but added and doesn't always sound good but here it sounds great. I think that maybe Axl felt it was too anti-alcohol, etc. and might be perceived as hypocritical at the time and maybe he felt they wanted a different sound that didn't resemble at all other bands at the time. Not sure, but no one Could have done this song the justice that Axl could have. The outro is amazing and it all comes across so naturally - it doesn't sound strained or difficult for him. It's like the best of the 80s wrapped into one song.
I know Sebastian Bach sang with Axl before - My Michelle and Hair of the Dog - but did Axl ever sing one of Skid Rowe's songs with Sebastian or any other songs with him? I am asking because listening to this it just made me think of Sebastian Bach for some reason. Well, it just made me think about how the only singer that might ever be able to hit the same notes as Sebastian would be Axl. So I wondered if anyone knew. Thanks! And by the way - this is my first time hearing this. It is amazing. Love it!!!!! Thank you for posting!
@@diggz691 thanks. i was actually looking through set lists online today. it's that website that isn't always accurate but it's got setlists from bands over different years, etc. i saw where gnr evidently covered one skid rowe song at a show. i didn't have time to check it out though and don't remember the name. i will have to go back and look. you never know though - it could be that axl sang with skid rowe on that song when they were opening for them but they put down gnr covered it. who knows. i'll check it out. i will also look up what you just told me - thanks!
“ Love Is A Bitchslap” which is a pretty good song and a great cover of “Back In The Saddle” Whoops just saw Im two months late to this discussion, sorry 😂
bitchslap and back in the saddle - those are the songs that Axl and Sebastian sang together? (other than the two i mentioned of course?) if so, thanks. 2 months, 2 years - doesn't matter! ; ) ha! i once wrote a comment on one from 12 years before. @@Mr_Brownstone3386
West Arkeen en guitarra, un talento increible, lo apodaban Pigmeo por su baja estatura, lo conocian como el Sexto Gunner por su presencia y su influencia en la banda. Muy amigo de Axl y Slash, nunca formo oficialmente parte de la banda, West nunca quiso
OK. I knew West pretty damn good. I'll try to leave out the druggy bits to respect his family, friends, and Wendy whom he lived with at the time. West and me were way cool. He was a great songwriter. Axl or not, he was just smart as a whip and knew his shit. Open Tunings. Could flick a thumb and went from G to open D to his favorite Johnny Winter 6 string tuning inside 20 seconds. I was at UCLA and he had a Virgin Publishing Deal from when he wrote Its So Easy. But this song was a leftover. It was on his Cassette Tape the Publishing Company pushed around because, well, it's a damn good rock song. But West Played everything on this from what he told me. Axl sang. There were ads for G&R saying "Fresh From Detox", so I am imagining he wrote that line. So, West liked me as a singer. So did Saul/Slash, but that's a 2nd long story. My Rock Band broke up and I wound up using my UCLA Ties to get inroads to Capitol A&R. After I rose up I was walking down a hallway and the Manager I was working for was talking to the Senior VP and they were both trying to find West Arkeen. I butted in. Yeah, I can get you West, but he won't want to work with that Baby Band you just signed. They looked at me befuddled. I said some uppity thing like, 'West has 4 songs on Use Your Illusions and doesn't need your baby band' crap, but then followed with. "West wants to write for Joe Cocker." "Joe Cocker", the Senior VP looked at me agog. "Yep, If West can get to write for Joe Cocker, I can sell him on whatever bullshit LA Band you're trying to recoup on. I'll deliver him tonight. He lives in a back house in Siver Lake." I went to West's house. Which I won't write about here. But yeah, I think West got 3 or 4 songs places from that. Including Crash Diet. Which my other friend engineered. And is another story. West Arkeen had demons galore. But was super, duper fun. And got us all kicked out of Malibu Grand Prix, stone cold sober. Slash is one thing. I know Saul. West, Woof!!!
I may be remembering wrong, but I think I have a studio version of this. I got it back in the day before CD was released and everyboyd way crying out for any unreleased GnR stuff. I think it may be older than 1991. It may even be an old LA Guns song which just never got released. I'd have to take some time to find the version I have, but I'd be surprised if I had something you guys don't. If anybody wants in I'll find it.
It is 100% from the 1980's. In high school a friend of mine had a GNR bootleg on vinyl, and this song was on it. So was an early version of November Rain that only had Axl and acoustic guitars. I hung out with that dude in 1988 -1989. I know it was then also because we got Metallica's AJFA record together, which came out in 1988.
This is one of the "Hell house" demos. The band used a drum machine. Nobody really knows who played the guitars - take your pick from Slash, Izzy, West Arkeen (from whose tape this song came from), Del James etc.
@@dowdallerno1 West, definitely. He was a friend of mine. I had this tape once but gave it away after he passed away. West was the best. But complicated to talk about. I think he played bass on this too
I feel like maybe they were trying to say ... If this was done or recorded that far back - pre-AFD, then why the hell would they leave it off of UYI's? And the answer is that Axl didn't want it for GNR. Unfortunately, cause it's unbelievable.
@@AmandaLea-bd9pk It was most certainly recorded pre AFD, it was pre GnR, around the time Hollywood Rose was getting together. It is a really good song, though I don't think it would have fit well on AFD or UYI. Probably a better fit on The Spaghetti Incident, throw an original in the mix. This song is about the Vince Neil crash that killed Hanoi Rocks drummer Razzle, so it's safe to assume it is from that timeframe, around 84.
@@jacobduran1558 it’s a drum machine lmfao , it’s not a guns n roses song. Was never intended to be. It was recorded for west Arkeens demo in the 80’s axl and west wrote it, axl sings on it but it’s not a guns song. It’s west !
can't believe they didn't give it a proper release, this song hits harder than my drunk uncle
It's such a crime
@Dan Auburn. Perfect crime.
it actually is released just with a different singer under the artist The Wildside. It's at least on Spotify, idk about other streaming services
Sweet home Alabama
@@danauburn1119Ya know it’s true 😉
2022 and this song is still mind blowing
even now in 2023 omfg
2023
@@RockeroCinefiloYou beat me to it!
Lol maybe I can get here first in 24
2023
And 2023 and forever!!!!
By far the best unreleased gnr demo
By several country miles, this is the absolute business/ shizznit, although always loved 'Bring it on Home to Me' too and Sentimental Movie too The Garden (from this same bootleg) is so much better than the official release
Even though this jam is not with slash this is definitely on of gnr most killer guitar solos!
Buckethead?
@@sinnerboy6009 West Arkeen RIP
Maybe my fave unreleased GNR song
This is not Guns N’ Roses. This is a song West Arkeen wrote and plays guitar on. Axl just sang on it as a placeholder to help out his friend with the demo.
I believe Axl helped write the lyrics as well and was credited.
It's Still Gee N Are 2 Mee😊
That makes sense, as the guitar doesn't remotely sound like slash.
Where is studio version? Can we listen at Spotify, Deezer?
this is the studio version
I still wish we got the studio version. I know some 80s band recorded it
It's from the Wild Side band, Axl was only used as a placeholder
You can find it in Asphalt Ballet's Pigs album
@@maskedblackcat yeah but that's not Axl, the singer really tries to sound like him though.
@@kimutone2970 yea i listed to their version and axl's vocals are just so much better
It was first released by asphalt ballet in 1993. Then later it was covered by Wild side but not until 2004. I wish they would have given it to skid rowe around 89 or 90. It would have been a good fit. If not skid rowe then maybe even l.a. guns. Axl wasn't so much a placeholder but helped them by recording the demo for the song. But he did technically co-write it with Wes and the others - got a writing credit.
love this song so much
this song is so much better then My World
That was one of his greatest vocal performances. Also very good lyrics, guitar, bass, and songrwiting, can't believe I never heard this in high school
You can hear they probably used an old tape to record this. One that has been recorded and recorded over again from the wobbliness - or the old music bleeding through into the new track. Could have even been just a simple boombox on a maxell cassette and when they were old they got a little wobbly too. Although I would love a better recording of it it does give it an interesting quality. I know people say the other bands did a good job on this song but I mean if GNR had done this song it would have been one of the best of the 80's - the vocals are amazing and fit the song so perfectly, the guitar is classic 80's but not over the top - it totally first the song - shredding often isn't needed but added and doesn't always sound good but here it sounds great. I think that maybe Axl felt it was too anti-alcohol, etc. and might be perceived as hypocritical at the time and maybe he felt they wanted a different sound that didn't resemble at all other bands at the time. Not sure, but no one Could have done this song the justice that Axl could have. The outro is amazing and it all comes across so naturally - it doesn't sound strained or difficult for him. It's like the best of the 80s wrapped into one song.
Axl para sempre ele é um ícone do rock
I know Sebastian Bach sang with Axl before - My Michelle and Hair of the Dog - but did Axl ever sing one of Skid Rowe's songs with Sebastian or any other songs with him? I am asking because listening to this it just made me think of Sebastian Bach for some reason. Well, it just made me think about how the only singer that might ever be able to hit the same notes as Sebastian would be Axl. So I wondered if anyone knew. Thanks! And by the way - this is my first time hearing this. It is amazing. Love it!!!!! Thank you for posting!
They actually did. Sebastian Bach album Angel Down. Dont remember the song name but they also did ‘Back in the Saddle’ Aerosmith cover on it
@@diggz691 thanks. i was actually looking through set lists online today. it's that website that isn't always accurate but it's got setlists from bands over different years, etc. i saw where gnr evidently covered one skid rowe song at a show. i didn't have time to check it out though and don't remember the name. i will have to go back and look. you never know though - it could be that axl sang with skid rowe on that song when they were opening for them but they put down gnr covered it. who knows. i'll check it out. i will also look up what you just told me - thanks!
@@eastcoastmonkey no problem! If you find out or find the video you’ll have to post the link!
“ Love Is A Bitchslap” which is a pretty good song and a great cover of “Back In The Saddle” Whoops just saw Im two months late to this discussion, sorry 😂
bitchslap and back in the saddle - those are the songs that Axl and Sebastian sang together? (other than the two i mentioned of course?) if so, thanks. 2 months, 2 years - doesn't matter! ; ) ha! i once wrote a comment on one from 12 years before. @@Mr_Brownstone3386
3:14 such an awesome riff.
G'N'R should look to finish this track..
I think they sold it to Wildside!
This is totally LA Guns vibe... Anyone?
YESSS
he write this together with Allen West in '84 or '85
@@dickiemolitsanti2213 yes 🤣 sorry
@@julianssj12 LOL, close, in a way, yet so far in others. LOL It was with West Arkeen. Allen West is a very different person. LOL
Yes, but better.
Amazing...la guns were great
Como quisiera que hagan un remaster de esta cancion hay unas canciones que les falta remasterizar.
Search Asphalt Ballet - Crash Diet
That riff at 3:00 is fucking sick!!!
Obrigada por isso!
It’s about the crash thst killed Razzle. Wildside did a version of this.
Rock on
West Arkeen en guitarra, un talento increible, lo apodaban Pigmeo por su baja estatura, lo conocian como el Sexto Gunner por su presencia y su influencia en la banda. Muy amigo de Axl y Slash, nunca formo oficialmente parte de la banda, West nunca quiso
asi es, Arkeen fue un pilar en los GNR y se manda tremendo temón que mereciò mas justicia
The best song they didn't realeased
OK. I knew West pretty damn good. I'll try to leave out the druggy bits to respect his family, friends, and Wendy whom he lived with at the time.
West and me were way cool. He was a great songwriter. Axl or not, he was just smart as a whip and knew his shit. Open Tunings. Could flick a thumb and went from G to open D to his favorite Johnny Winter 6 string tuning inside 20 seconds.
I was at UCLA and he had a Virgin Publishing Deal from when he wrote Its So Easy. But this song was a leftover. It was on his Cassette Tape the Publishing Company pushed around because, well, it's a damn good rock song. But West Played everything on this from what he told me. Axl sang. There were ads for G&R saying "Fresh From Detox", so I am imagining he wrote that line.
So, West liked me as a singer. So did Saul/Slash, but that's a 2nd long story. My Rock Band broke up and I wound up using my UCLA Ties to get inroads to Capitol A&R. After I rose up I was walking down a hallway and the Manager I was working for was talking to the Senior VP and they were both trying to find West Arkeen. I butted in.
Yeah, I can get you West, but he won't want to work with that Baby Band you just signed.
They looked at me befuddled. I said some uppity thing like, 'West has 4 songs on Use Your Illusions and doesn't need your baby band' crap, but then followed with.
"West wants to write for Joe Cocker."
"Joe Cocker", the Senior VP looked at me agog.
"Yep, If West can get to write for Joe Cocker, I can sell him on whatever bullshit LA Band you're trying to recoup on. I'll deliver him tonight. He lives in a back house in Siver Lake."
I went to West's house. Which I won't write about here. But yeah, I think West got 3 or 4 songs places from that. Including Crash Diet. Which my other friend engineered. And is another story.
West Arkeen had demons galore. But was super, duper fun. And got us all kicked out of Malibu Grand Prix, stone cold sober.
Slash is one thing. I know Saul. West, Woof!!!
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❤❤❤
Gnr classic 😊
Better than a lot of illusion 1 and 2
W.AXEL ROSES VOCALS BAND NIVARNA FOREVER EVER.......
Wow that solo at 4:37
i know. i don't love a lot of guitar solos, but that is freaking awesome. just great.
West Arkeen on guitars
Rare gnr❤
I may be remembering wrong, but I think I have a studio version of this. I got it back in the day before CD was released and everyboyd way crying out for any unreleased GnR stuff. I think it may be older than 1991. It may even be an old LA Guns song which just never got released. I'd have to take some time to find the version I have, but I'd be surprised if I had something you guys don't. If anybody wants in I'll find it.
I really really want it.
It is 100% from the 1980's. In high school a friend of mine had a GNR bootleg on vinyl, and this song was on it. So was an early version of November Rain that only had Axl and acoustic guitars. I hung out with that dude in 1988 -1989. I know it was then also because we got Metallica's AJFA record together, which came out in 1988.
definetely worth looking into, even if its not a different recording it might still be in better quality
2023
Song just popped in my head from 30 something years ago...and I found it!!
Should have been lead-off track to Use your Illusion I
So not GnR but Axl sings on it, who's the guitarists then?
West Arkeen
This is one of the "Hell house" demos. The band used a drum machine. Nobody really knows who played the guitars - take your pick from Slash, Izzy, West Arkeen (from whose tape this song came from), Del James etc.
@@fyfe79 I bet West
Sounds like Tracy
@@Hollywoodrocker311 you know I think that's very possible.
Download?
No way that's Slash..who is it?
West Arkeen apparently. 🤔
@@dowdallerno1 West, definitely. He was a friend of mine. I had this tape once but gave it away after he passed away. West was the best. But complicated to talk about. I think he played bass on this too
I swear last time I listened to this it had the vocals
One of hundred unreleased gn'r songs
I bet its the leftover from Chinese democracy...
Gn'r recorded it for 14 years
This isnt a chinese democracy song, its actually way older (1984-1985) and isnt a GNR song either, Axl just sang it
Nope, it was pre AFD GNR.
If this asobsolid Then how on earth How this an wanted illusion?
What?? LOL
@@stephenhood2948 I don't know what the heck ii was talking about laugh my ass off
@@jacobduran1558 LOL It happens
I feel like maybe they were trying to say ... If this was done or recorded that far back - pre-AFD, then why the hell would they leave it off of UYI's? And the answer is that Axl didn't want it for GNR. Unfortunately, cause it's unbelievable.
@@AmandaLea-bd9pk It was most certainly recorded pre AFD, it was pre GnR, around the time Hollywood Rose was getting together. It is a really good song, though I don't think it would have fit well on AFD or UYI. Probably a better fit on The Spaghetti Incident, throw an original in the mix. This song is about the Vince Neil crash that killed Hanoi Rocks drummer Razzle, so it's safe to assume it is from that timeframe, around 84.
Who's the drummer here
is from another band feat Axl
This was recorded with a drum machine.
@@crremedelacrreme2994 Rob Gardner?
Noidea but most definitely better than Matt sorum butnot better than Steven asler
@@jacobduran1558 it’s a drum machine lmfao , it’s not a guns n roses song. Was never intended to be. It was recorded for west Arkeens demo in the 80’s axl and west wrote it, axl sings on it but it’s not a guns song. It’s west !
This is not Guns.
god these songs are horrible, no wonder they abandoned them
Axl always knew exactly which songs were cool for GNR
This song is awesome bro idk what you’re talking about
This would have been a great addition to Appetite after Slash did guitar on it. This is defs not Slash playing
@@jamesmoore5588 The solo part the song is very thrashy, old school Metallica comes to mind, that riff right after the solo is sick!!