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7:20, not completely agreed with. Perhaps analogy of god with alien is incorrect. Like living things in earth, in this vast universe there can be possibility of existing other such things in other planet which is many light years away from us or it is possible that they were existing earlier and they couldn't survive later. But god's concept is very different than alien. You ask to any religious people, what is god and what it does. You will get 100 different answers, if you ask to 100 people separately. For a rational, is it easy to accept that god may exist? BTW, if someone says he doesn't believe in existence of god and someone says he believes in god- how can we conclude that both are equal without knowing the justification from both? In addition, proving existence should get more importance than proving non-existence.
PETITION FOR A VIDEO ON ASTROTALK APP!!! it boils my blood when I see their Ad Campaign being run on such a large scale with so many different social media influencers endorsing the astrology app.
worshipping is the sugar coated version of slavery.......religion is man made Nature and humanity is supreme .........There maybe higher species but even then no need to worship......respect is the way Note : Everyone is born normal later they are taught to follow a crowd If some one knows there is something different then its his responsibility to give some proof rather than arguing and asking others if the have seen their great grandparents 😬
@@ananyavaibhav6355 who's telling you to follow caste? You can believe in religion without believing in birth based caste Also the definition of chattel slavery and caste system is entirely different you have botched up 2 unrelated things
@@anchitbose4151 anything that takes ur commonsense and right to question from u is slavery.....I dont think we need a huge research but still many great minds have said that Religion is a political tool to control masses but that control can take the form of slavery as well.......but i defenitely think hinduism is some areas at some times were a bit more welcoming to new ideas but within a limit, modern time christianity is ok too but it was not always like that.....idea of democracy has opened the doors The deisgnn of religion itself stops people to go beyond a certain point irrespective of intentions...
Interviewer - why don't you trim your beard? Sadguru - why dont you trim your fingers/Nose etc etc? Interviewer - so then why do you trim your nails? why do you take bath? why do you wear clothes? why wear watch? etc etc.. aren't all of these conveniences that any logical human would do. if you want to live like animals then why not completely discard every convenience discovered by humans?
This doesn't correspond to the use of those terms in philosophy of religion. This is how they are usually applied: A theist believes the proposition "there is a god". An atheist believes in the negation of the proposition "there is a god". An agnostic believes neither.
I sent this video to one of my friends who is a Jaggi bhai fan. He is now your subscriber because he thinks you were talking in favour of Jaggi bhai. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Bro you very skillful at creating a narrative. You have chosen just the right career path. It's just that I never thought UA-cam will degrade to the level of paid TV News Channels.
Believing and Truth are just opposites. We unfortunately name and convert everything to words/images and act from it. Perception is also creation of mind. Jaggi Vasudev is copying J.Krishnamurti, but he understood him only superficially and talking of some other dimension which is not factual.
Okay so pranav clearly did not understand the relativity of sense perception argument by Sadhguru. This argument is classical argument in philosophy. He is saying that all the measurements we experience by our senses are relative in nature. This argument postulates an existence of absolute by seeing the relatives. Scientifically we can expand the argument to temperature measurement example, these relative scales of temperature being hotter or cooler can be put to correction by taking absolute scale(Kelvin) where entropy reaches zero. This argument was refuted by the Buddhist philosopher Nagasena and Dharmakirti. Nagsena argues that a chariot is nothing but the aggregate of seat yoke wheel horses umbrella and charioteer. The same argument has been used by Javed sir using the metaphor of onion. Now to expand it to our entropy example Nagasena would say that absolute zero entropy occurs in perfectly crystline substance which is never found in nature. And this ideal state is like an imaginary most beautiful woman. Tbh, this debate could have been used to discuss some deep philosophical counters to Sadhgurus argument and in general vendantic absolutism vs Buddhist relativism. But these days I find videos on this channel are getting dumber. It's less about science and philosophy. More about mockery. But anyway both sides keep doing the same instead of dwelving deep into the ideas. Listening to Javed akhtar over the years I think he is quite influenced by Buddhist atheist philosopher Dharmakirti. He uses many of his arguments with some other metaphors.
Well said. The channel nowadays has become another roast channel. Sure, they are mocking the idiotic beliefs but there is nothing like "Science" and "philosophy" in the recent content. And don't even get me started about their subreddit. It's one of the most toxic subreddits I've ever seen. Ninety percent posts in the sub are anti hindu; nothing philosophical or scientific in nature. Sad to see the current state of this community, that I was once a fan of.
So glad that Pranav didn't discuss "Philosophy". It would be a complete waste of time. Now at least there is entertainment. It makes perfect sense why Stephen hawking said - "Philosophy is dead" 😅
20:32 This goddess is so biased, there are million of people worship her doing everything for her. But she was giving formula to ramanujan? What about others who worship her daily
Petition to bring a video on brahmakumaris cult. Need a video on the brahmakumaris cult, i am sick of it. My parents are deep into this shit and i need valid arguments to counter them.
I love how you manage to please the duality of your audience , mad respect for the work you're doing , people dont often realise how thought through the script and content is , can't wait for more . L
It is clear that this time you were just having fun, rather then making arguments. You labelled Javed as leftist without making any argument. Keep having fun by making videos from both perspectives. This will show that you do not have an agenda.😂
Keep up the good work! These sacm videos have helped me debunk all my stupid leftist atheist friends. But seriously, watching this video is refreshing because if someone doesn't understand the satire, they might actually start listening to you and may even start thinking rationally.
I've noticed that a lot of people consume modern medicine at a really weak dosage strength the reason is that some medicines need to be prescribed by a physician, so they don't list a prescription on the label, and indians, most of them usually buy them from a medical shop instead of talking with a physician and getting the right dosage strength it's difficult to expect that you'd be given a right dosage strength from someone who did not extensively learn about the medicine they're selling weaker dosage strength means less chances of it actually working the way it should've worked and in such a case, a strong placebo may work better than those medicines which aren't a placebo, i think you should bring this argument up in a video on indian healthcare, alternative medicines
Brother few years back I hated javed akhtar alot without even hearing anything may be i had heard some of spoofs made on him but few days back suddenly i also watched this video I just became a fan... he is just amazing... he changed my perspective towards everything....such an amazing guy
in 1st 2 minutes of the video I disliked it, next 2 minutes I disliked your Support Me comment as well & after 5th minute I figured out the sarcastic tone & changed the dislike to liked the content & subscribed to the channel. Good one buddy
That's not what he said he said you mind is a result of accumulation and this is not at all same as inherent genetic markups or your response to stimuli based on your experience
ayooo I see upgraded editing han loved this video , also waiting for you to cover about some actual science in India videos , im really interested in understanding what Sir SN Bose actually did and what exactly is boson and what is boson statistics , again loved the video
Javed is a clever guy, he never expose that BOOK, he may face fatwa. BTW, anyone searched "University of California" research on "Shambhavi" Mudra? (did they publish any paper on it in their website?) Also search "krish Asok's" video on critical analysis of Sadguru's food advice. (If he says scientific then be ready for peer review).
sorry brother they both are understandable i watched your 5 -6 videos and i try understand you but i got you in just 2-3 videos. you does not come to the point instead you try to give other examples which does not align or match many times and cut the flow of your thoughts... please make easy to understandable videos i want to watch your videos i think you have some different point of view which worth to listen..🙏
Let's say our 5 senses are not reliable but it doesn't require any sixth sense to know which object is hotter. Whatever we know about the world is because of our that 5 senses
My only concern in this video is the sanghis cutting the sarcastic parts of the video and forward in their whatsapp university with the thumbnail "even the staunchest science believer has told Sadhguru roasted Javed Akhtar"😂😂😂
12:32 Sadhguru is absolutely right here. Pranav ? Is that you?😂 But I am happy that this video is the most unbiased one in his channel. Even I have seen this debate. I am not fully in with Sadhguru..but neither with Javed Akhtar.
Yes, exposed he should be for his selectivism. One is not a true or useful atheist till they criticise their own religious background. Not worth being celebrated. Simply a mouthpiece. It's the easiest thing in the world to show the flaws other religions. Everybody does it, including religious people. Pranav > Javed. Simply for the fact that one is dealing with the issues of their own community first.
I dont know how long has it been since you made a video on ramdev baba. It definetly needs a revisit. He is nowadays openly shouting that modern medicine of allopathy causes more harm than good. He never states any context and clings on to medical malpractices to strawman science. He recently held a yoga camp in which he was asking children with childhood diabetes of both type one and two, and openly said these children had high blood sugar because their parents were treating thier benign illness like colds and fevers by doctor prescribed medicines and not ayurvedic way.
Do something other than Atheism I think we should diverse our topic isn't with atheism side by side because we are repeating same stuff again and again no much productivity
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7:20, not completely agreed with. Perhaps analogy of god with alien is incorrect. Like living things in earth, in this vast universe there can be possibility of existing other such things in other planet which is many light years away from us or it is possible that they were existing earlier and they couldn't survive later. But god's concept is very different than alien. You ask to any religious people, what is god and what it does. You will get 100 different answers, if you ask to 100 people separately.
For a rational, is it easy to accept that god may exist?
BTW, if someone says he doesn't believe in existence of god and someone says he believes in god- how can we conclude that both are equal without knowing the justification from both? In addition, proving existence should get more importance than proving non-existence.
for a second I thought party badal liya
😂🙏
Zakir is not really a rational. He is biased towards his people.
I thought same as you
Not all atheists are the same. Some deserve to be called out for shitting All over the names of atheist
Same 😂
I’m worried if I show this to my parents, they’ll completely miss the sarcastic tone 😭😭
What you mean sarcastic tone are you illuminati?
@c4chottu10 You ok there buddy?
@@martinwairokpam7184 I think you are not okay 👌
@@c4chottu10 sarcasm... illuminati... what? what are you talking about?
😂😂
great click bait for sanghis 😅
Nin ammun asi sule magne
Haha.. good one !!
I think that u r pro Congress
W comment,
@@shubhamsaini4770There are so many pro Congress now-a-days.
PETITION FOR A VIDEO ON ASTROTALK APP!!!
it boils my blood when I see their Ad Campaign being run on such a large scale with so many different social media influencers endorsing the astrology app.
Some tech channel exposed them i don't exactly remember who
fuck me too man I just wanna slap them on these fucking scams fr
@@Raizelen gyan therapy
I know I have added them not to show still it shows....
@@inaina6357 fr
javed akhtar legit manhandled jaggi in this debate
I Can bet many Religious people has liked this video,
Because they are not able to understand the sarcasm of this level. 😂🤣😂🤣
Did you?
@uttam2274 Bcoz I am Atheist, It doesn't fit on.
Absolutely enjoying the fresh 'Pranav bhai josh & enthusiasm' in the new videos!
Areyy sir aap yaha 🛐
recent video was awasome of yours
Yo whats up man? Eagerly waiting for next video!
worshipping is the sugar coated version of slavery.......religion is man made Nature and humanity is supreme .........There maybe higher species but even then no need to worship......respect is the way
Note : Everyone is born normal later they are taught to follow a crowd
If some one knows there is something different then its his responsibility to give some proof rather than arguing and asking others if the have seen their great grandparents
😬
Ok which peer reviewed Research says religion is slavery?
Since you're barking about proves give me a proof?
@@anchitbose4151The caste system 😮
@@ananyavaibhav6355 who's telling you to follow caste? You can believe in religion without believing in birth based caste
Also the definition of chattel slavery and caste system is entirely different you have botched up 2 unrelated things
@@anchitbose4151 anything that takes ur commonsense and right to question from u is slavery.....I dont think we need a huge research but still many great minds have said that Religion is a political tool to control masses but that control can take the form of slavery as well.......but i defenitely think hinduism is some areas at some times were a bit more welcoming to new ideas but within a limit, modern time christianity is ok too but it was not always like that.....idea of democracy has opened the doors
The deisgnn of religion itself stops people to go beyond a certain point irrespective of intentions...
exactly well said my friend
Jaggi in fake american accent ‘dimensions dimensions dimensions dimensions dimensions dimension dimensions dimensions dimension dimensions dimension dimensions dimensions’
If Calling Jaggi by his name is disrespectful then I wouldn't accept anything less than "Batman" for myself.
Wtf bro I'm Batman
@jatinchauhan2961 LOL 🤣
@@jatinchauhan2961
And "I Am IRON MAN"
🤣
It’s Shri Shri Lord Batman everyone
Interviewer - why don't you trim your beard?
Sadguru - why dont you trim your fingers/Nose etc etc?
Interviewer - so then why do you trim your nails? why do you take bath? why do you wear clothes? why wear watch? etc etc.. aren't all of these conveniences that any logical human would do. if you want to live like animals then why not completely discard every convenience discovered by humans?
Took me like a minute to understand that it's satire. Great video 🔥
no atheist can beat our Pranav and sadhguru combo
Jaaved Saab OWNED Thuggi in that debate. Legend.
At first, I thought I was on the wrong channel, then half way through, I started to sense the sarcasm in the video.
(I'm new to this channel btw)
💯 points for sarcasm. Good video
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in god, not someone who believes that there is no god.
-A wise man
This doesn't correspond to the use of those terms in philosophy of religion. This is how they are usually applied:
A theist believes the proposition "there is a god".
An atheist believes in the negation of the proposition "there is a god".
An agnostic believes neither.
This Was Never Expected Pranav 😂
Most people don't know this video is sarcasm🤦♂🤦♀
I dont think so - Pranav cleaned Akhtars clock.
जब मैं था तब हरी नहीं, अब हरी है मैं नाही।
प्रेम गली अति सांकरी , तामे दोऊ न समायी।।
Javed ji is very good with words and argumentation. I hope I had such skills.
I used to wonder why Vasudev stopped participating in debates so openly. Now I know.
I sent this video to one of my friends who is a Jaggi bhai fan. He is now your subscriber because he thinks you were talking in favour of Jaggi bhai. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The thumbnail, the intro, the video 😂🔥
I like how Pranav’s attitude has evolved It’s hilarious ❤.
Let’s see how many ppl either missed the sarcasm or just read the title and jumped to comment
Dang dude, the level of creativity in this video is off the charts. 🔥
This is one of my favourite debates! Also loved watching your take on it! 😂
Pranav is in super good mood
The editing is sick. I wish the logo at the top looked a lot less 2010 like, but keep up the good work!
Bro you very skillful at creating a narrative. You have chosen just the right career path. It's just that I never thought UA-cam will degrade to the level of paid TV News Channels.
SACM is my favorite word lately
Believing and Truth are just opposites. We unfortunately name and convert everything to words/images and act from it. Perception is also creation of mind. Jaggi Vasudev is copying J.Krishnamurti, but he understood him only superficially and talking of some other dimension which is not factual.
Okay so pranav clearly did not understand the relativity of sense perception argument by Sadhguru. This argument is classical argument in philosophy.
He is saying that all the measurements we experience by our senses are relative in nature. This argument postulates an existence of absolute by seeing the relatives. Scientifically we can expand the argument to temperature measurement example, these relative scales of temperature being hotter or cooler can be put to correction by taking absolute scale(Kelvin) where entropy reaches zero.
This argument was refuted by the Buddhist philosopher Nagasena and Dharmakirti.
Nagsena argues that a chariot is nothing but the aggregate of seat yoke wheel horses umbrella and charioteer. The same argument has been used by Javed sir using the metaphor of onion. Now to expand it to our entropy example Nagasena would say that absolute zero entropy occurs in perfectly crystline substance which is never found in nature. And this ideal state is like an imaginary most beautiful woman.
Tbh, this debate could have been used to discuss some deep philosophical counters to Sadhgurus argument and in general vendantic absolutism vs Buddhist relativism. But these days I find videos on this channel are getting dumber. It's less about science and philosophy. More about mockery. But anyway both sides keep doing the same instead of dwelving deep into the ideas.
Listening to Javed akhtar over the years I think he is quite influenced by Buddhist atheist philosopher Dharmakirti. He uses many of his arguments with some other metaphors.
Beautifully said!
Well said. The channel nowadays has become another roast channel. Sure, they are mocking the idiotic beliefs but there is nothing like "Science" and "philosophy" in the recent content. And don't even get me started about their subreddit. It's one of the most toxic subreddits I've ever seen. Ninety percent posts in the sub are anti hindu; nothing philosophical or scientific in nature. Sad to see the current state of this community, that I was once a fan of.
If anyone wants to learn how to make top quality word salad, learn from this guy here.
Prepared a salad so long, and yet it didn't mean anything.
So glad that Pranav didn't discuss "Philosophy". It would be a complete waste of time. Now at least there is entertainment. It makes perfect sense why Stephen hawking said - "Philosophy is dead" 😅
20:32 This goddess is so biased, there are million of people worship her doing everything for her. But she was giving formula to ramanujan? What about others who worship her daily
Petition to bring a video on brahmakumaris cult.
Need a video on the brahmakumaris cult, i am sick of it. My parents are deep into this shit and i need valid arguments to counter them.
Your posts never disappoint ! Thank you from an unapologetic Atheist, in a world filled with believers on blended knees😂
I was so confused after seeing the thumbnail that I had to click the video🤨...And I am not disappointed🤗
GOD is the only ‘Power’ which needs its followers to protect him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Such a lame God?
Man you really fooled me into thinking you changed the party 😂😂😂
This'll get amazing engagement. Your regular audience will love it, and Sanghis will love it too because they'll think it's in their support. 🤣
I love how you manage to please the duality of your audience , mad respect for the work you're doing , people dont often realise how thought through the script and content is , can't wait for more . L
Now Indian atheist faces changed
Vimoh is new generation of Indian atheism believe me brother you cannot beat him
Javed ji ki bhasha kabhi kabhi dharmiko ko khush krne wali bhi ho jati h kyunki unko bhi apne pariwar ki suraksha ka dhyan rakhna hota h 🤔🤔
It is clear that this time you were just having fun, rather then making arguments. You labelled Javed as leftist without making any argument. Keep having fun by making videos from both perspectives. This will show that you do not have an agenda.😂
Haha...well done Pranav. If I show this to my Sadguru bhakt friends and relatives, they are just going to buy it :)
We want more sarcastic videos, Thses type of videos never gonna upset religious peoples 😂
I like his videos more than Dhruv Rathee and Mohak Mangal...
His editing with the context is soo smooth...
Keep up the good work! These sacm videos have helped me debunk all my stupid leftist atheist friends.
But seriously, watching this video is refreshing because if someone doesn't understand the satire, they might actually start listening to you and may even start thinking rationally.
I thought this guy became bhakt then i realised its sarcasm. I need to take break from internet
bro's thumbnail game improves every passing day🤣🤣
Great style! Really enjoyed while you explain the scam mindset.
This debate is absolute UA-cam cinema
I've noticed that a lot of people consume modern medicine at a really weak dosage strength
the reason is that some medicines need to be prescribed by a physician, so they don't list a prescription on the label,
and indians, most of them usually buy them from a medical shop instead of talking with a physician and getting the right dosage strength
it's difficult to expect that you'd be given a right dosage strength from someone who did not extensively learn about the medicine they're selling
weaker dosage strength means less chances of it actually working the way it should've worked
and in such a case, a strong placebo may work better than those medicines which aren't a placebo,
i think you should bring this argument up in a video on indian healthcare, alternative medicines
Brother few years back I hated javed akhtar alot without even hearing anything may be i had heard some of spoofs made on him but few days back suddenly i also watched this video I just became a fan... he is just amazing... he changed my perspective towards everything....such an amazing guy
Someone: Explain Sarcasm.
ME: Watch this video 😂
I loved Javed Akhtar debate against Sadhguru, I was surprised to know that you were exposing him. Glad to know it's sarcasm 😂😂😂
now we have to debunk three people jaggi,javed and this guy.....all just blah,blah...
"Calling yourself atheist is First step of defending your religion"
That way you can criticize any other religion and they can't argue an atheist
in 1st 2 minutes of the video I disliked it, next 2 minutes I disliked your Support Me comment as well & after 5th minute I figured out the sarcastic tone & changed the dislike to liked the content & subscribed to the channel. Good one buddy
2:26 he is not wrong tho.... Our mind is a result of our genetics and experiences.
Psychology
That's not what he said he said you mind is a result of accumulation and this is not at all same as inherent genetic markups or your response to stimuli based on your experience
@@Nyebyo2332 your genetic markup is an accumulation in itself. Use your common sense for a second
@@Nyebyo2332 but it is accumulation..the environmental conditions are equally an important like genetic markups
Those who ask questions remains fool for a second
And those who don't ask questions remains fool for the entire life!
After a long hectic day, my man here has given us a treat.. lesssgoo
I am observing that through recent videos Pranav's videos quality had increased and I am setting this as my ringtone 0:06
ayooo I see upgraded editing han loved this video , also waiting for you to cover about some actual science in India videos , im really interested in understanding what Sir SN Bose actually did and what exactly is boson and what is boson statistics , again loved the video
Javed is a clever guy, he never expose that BOOK, he may face fatwa.
BTW, anyone searched "University of California" research on "Shambhavi" Mudra? (did they publish any paper on it in their website?)
Also search "krish Asok's" video on critical analysis of Sadguru's food advice. (If he says scientific then be ready for peer review).
He already have fatwas against him
Ohhhhoooo new style of telling truth.
Loved it ❤
sorry brother they both are understandable i watched your 5 -6 videos and i try understand you but i got you in just 2-3 videos. you does not come to the point instead you try to give other examples which does not align or match many times and cut the flow of your thoughts...
please make easy to understandable videos i want to watch your videos i think you have some different point of view which worth to listen..🙏
That's the whole point bro don't listen to what his opinion is , he's just laying the facts for you to make your opinion, does that make sense?
Sir I seriously thought that you just changed parties 🤣
Succesfully Avoided copyright strike from jaggi as well as clickbaiting sanghis to increase view count
Perfect example of "Ek teer se do nishane"
Let's say our 5 senses are not reliable but it doesn't require any sixth sense to know which object is hotter. Whatever we know about the world is because of our that 5 senses
Sadhgurus fake American accent though 😂
Because he is trying to become a lighter version of Osho
The reverse psychology is masterful, only if they had enough neurons to connect the dots
like if you would love to see a Sadhguru vs Pranav debate irl
My only concern in this video is the sanghis cutting the sarcastic parts of the video and forward in their whatsapp university with the thumbnail "even the staunchest science believer has told Sadhguru roasted Javed Akhtar"😂😂😂
17:05 this was the best argument on point because this their escape point
12:32 Sadhguru is absolutely right here.
Pranav ? Is that you?😂
But I am happy that this video is the most unbiased one in his channel.
Even I have seen this debate. I am not fully in with Sadhguru..but neither with Javed Akhtar.
Acharya Prashant nd Jaggi baba ...
Can anyone bring them together for discussion on spiritualism nd process
the complete box of entertainment 😂😂
Loving these new style videos....
As usual, I'm here for reading comments only
We got Pranav exposing atheist before GTA VI
Bring ex-muslim Sahil. Ask him all sorts of questions. Engage.
8:54 what’s the name of the track
For 2000 years no one has seen god in real life
Just wanted to ask . Did something happen . Because you were not making this type of videos earlier or maybe new way of applying logic reasoning
Yes, exposed he should be for his selectivism.
One is not a true or useful atheist till they criticise their own religious background.
Not worth being celebrated. Simply a mouthpiece.
It's the easiest thing in the world to show the flaws other religions. Everybody does it, including religious people.
Pranav > Javed. Simply for the fact that one is dealing with the issues of their own community first.
Sadghuru bro ke chamche sab love react karne aayenge, angry react de kar jayenge.
Why did you SACM me with that thumbnail? 😢
Oi Pranav!!! always wanted to ask you... why such a delightful 'guru' would call himself "SADguru"???
I dont know how long has it been since you made a video on ramdev baba. It definetly needs a revisit. He is nowadays openly shouting that modern medicine of allopathy causes more harm than good. He never states any context and clings on to medical malpractices to strawman science. He recently held a yoga camp in which he was asking children with childhood diabetes of both type one and two, and openly said these children had high blood sugar because their parents were treating thier benign illness like colds and fevers by doctor prescribed medicines and not ayurvedic way.
Can u mail me some links? To the videos?
Send them to pranav @ scienceisdope dot com
Thumbnail dekh ke aay tha kucch gadbad h but comment dekh liya idhar to majak hua h
So mai fir se vapis ja rha hu 😅😅
5:50 i don't think any of them know english
Probably
Javed akhtar og 🙏🙏🙏
Jaggu bhai thought debate is so easy as he always do with sakkir naik 😂
I am a believer.I believe in
truth.Sometimes I believe in the false as well since I am a believer 😂😂.
We got pranav defending sadguru before gta 6
This video is a slap on the face of atheists 🔥
Do something other than Atheism I think we should diverse our topic isn't with atheism side by side because we are repeating same stuff again and again no much productivity
Yeah thats coz you dont watch any of the other videos I make
@@scienceisdope yes because I don't like repeating stuff again and again and if you are saying that I make others too indirectly I don't think so