Mirror Defense made me realize that I didn’t waste dozens of hours of my life grinding Void Flood, since it trained me to be good at collecting random stuff floating in the air.
I went in 3 times, did 2 c rotations and got only the main bp for her, the gun and melee. Better to get just the main bp and just buy the parts from the little robot dude.
The fragment shop is doing a LOT of work for this farm. If we had the same drop rates but no shop for buying blueprints... well suffice to say only 3% of players would be happy about it. Why 3%? This is why: ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxNQztqoCeFQqQxRPCupzhxTunxzVJPfkZ
The infamous "Gemussy" its not just an artefact of the red-text being highly cursed btw. It is ingrained into the game at a deeper level. If you search "Gemussy" in the foundary (and presumably other places too but I have not checked) Citrine and citrine related things appear. The curse has taken root...
A ton of the fragments spawn inside the tunnel during the 30 secconds you get to move to the other crystal, with a team that straight up doesn't bother getting these you can easily lose around 14 crystals each here in a C rotation run. My best run so far was 158/151, and we were so close to getting the final fragments to make it 158/151 too! Edit: Got 158/158! We weren't completely perfect, so maybe some people could push it to 165/158, not sure if you could get any better than that though.
I want to add that I would consider a second frame for the category of "buy everything". You still want to throw one into the helminth, so I think it should be part of the farm for her.
I like that I don't have to worry about killing enemies too much. On Steel Path, even if I don't get a squad, I can just focus on proofing the crystal and collecting the shards. Zephyr is very good at keeping the balance between the requirements: High mobility, decent protection, tornado is excellent at locking the area down an distributes damage in an area, even to overguarded enemies, keeping the kills coming and the orbs dropping in one spot.
I think I farmed for roughly 18 hours or so, on SP, and during that I only got Citrine Systems and the weapon BPs. That's it. We were pretty efficient, collecting crystals and such. I finally gave up and bought her with crystals.
A lot of people are complaining and leaving early on because "efficiency" or something. This mode is actually something I've wanted for a while. A mode that doesn't advance solely from killing. It's slow but it's actually fun for some reason. Shame peeps refuse to actually play for any amount of time to make it interesting.
It's just because you get people that don't even pick up the gems cause they have no clue or is lazy. I started bringing Titania with Razor wing and Thermal on my runs because people were pissing me off. I'd just do it myself. I just need warm bodies to baby sit the crystal even though the game mode is easy enough not to baby sit it due to the mechanics.
It is legit one of the worst gamemode currently with the mix of mobile defense and void flood. It is the gamemode of you get someone cc the whole field while some others scout the map brainlessly. How do you think this is fun
@@loggh552 You shouldn’t be CC’ing, killing is mostly what you’re supposed to do. DE themselves said that the traditional CC-focused way of defending is not the best for this mode, and that killing is much more important. Also Void Flood is pretty fun, aside from the twerp who steals your void jelly.
Fun fact: you can use Titania to quickly reinforced the crystal. This also grant you 30-45 Belric and Arabia’s crystals per side. The key is to use Razorwing Blitz and just keep kill the enemies quickly and gather energy orbs to maintain the ability
I've done some testing myself with my bro, and we are pretty certain gems respawn every 8 seconds if you are indeed getting kills. One competent Titania player with a good ear for gem respawn sound (but without Razorwing Blitz, unless you are a Titania God that can deal with ludicrous speed in small spaces) with occasional help from damage dealer ('gems spawn close to me, might as well pick them up' kind of deal) can probably get all crystals that spawn during defense, and a with both players focusing on pick ups during tunnel sections you can get them all, comfortably approaching 150 crystals each every rotation C on Steel Path. And, like with most missions because god damn she just cannot be useless even once, Protea is a very solid pick for damage frame. Besides providing energy for Titania with Dispensary, her shield nades affect Ranias and Berlics crystals, which makes protecting them that much less stressful. What i am wondering, Ken, is are you planning on doing a video like you did with Lua arcanes? These ones look neat on the surface, but i don't see myself replacing any of my usual arcanes with them.
I honestly REALLY enjoy this new farming method. Between Citrine and Voruna, I hope that it becomes a pseudo-regular thing. For frames that *are* in harder missions, giving you the ability to purchase the parts you just can't get to drop is soooo nice. I helped my girlfriend grind for Voruna even though I had already bought her, and I was more than happy to dump all my rewards into buying Yonta's arcanes while my girlfriend got Voruna. Makes it a lot easier to play these sorts of things with friends!
That my be so, however the drop rates are truely atrocous, not only that but it takes way too much currency to get anything. currently at rotation number c 23... not a sigle frame part... no weapons... not even an arcane... I fucking dispise this....
I can only imagine the pain farming this a year later when most people have stopped playing this one mission where you get her from. The rewards needs to be gotten from somewhere else.
You are guaranteed 10 crystals from each round, that's 40 minimum in a C rotation. Honestly, just use a gara specter, or thermal sunder on your titania. That thermal titania is super easy solo
As a veteran casual tenno wallowing in upper middle game for 7 years, I can say that it's not that hard to solo this mission. By the sound of it maxing the arcanes are the only unreasonable thing to attempt solo.
You can do Gloom Saryn on solo steel path (C rotation) for an average of 120-130 fragments. High effort, but not hard as nothing is hard in WF. If you want to be lazy then Thermal sunder titania is a breeze, and a guaranteed 100 fragments on normal for a C rotation.
@@UltravioletNomad I know you can deal with all of the enemies easily. It's all of the extra crystals that you need to gather to speed up the farm that won't be happening. Doing it solo would just drag out that farm time a lot more.
@@Zefar77 ... No?... Just bring aoe abilities and weapons, and pick up crystals indtead of sitting on the objective... Git gud?... A dude already told you 2 solid builds...
After watching this video and the one about Voruna, it makes me realize that those farms don't take as long as I first thought. That's cool, time to go for the last frames I'm missing out.
It was annoying playing this mode in public because people would leave after only 2-3 waves. For how easy it is, how fast it goes, and how fast you can gather the gems while a person defends, it blew my mind why people dropped so early. When I finally got some friends online for a team of 3, we ended up breezing through it. Typically hitting between wave 6 and 8 on normal star chart, we were getting between 150-200 fragments a run and at least one part or blueprint, though we did get a lot of duplicates. After about 5 hours, we all have enough parts/bps and fragments to get everything. I love the way they're handling these new frames. I mean, obviously grinding out an early frame from a boss fight is like a 20 minute job, but I enjoy the spin on these missions and the purchasing system.
@@marcosdheleno I said 20 minutes to get a frame from a boss fight, like farming Rhino or something, not talking about the Citrine mission in that point.
Small correction: You can do Tyana Pass at any point after having reached it, but in order to spend the fragments you must have Otak available, which of course requires heart of deimos Edit: This was either changed or I was just flat out wrong, my apologies
A note. Unless it was changed after the first day and I am not seeing it posted, or I am misunderstanding your correction. You cannot enter or do Tyana without doing the Heart of Deimos. We tried with my brother and it kicked him from the party mid-load saying he didn't have the prerequisites and had to do Heart of Deimos.
I’ve been buying the arcanes first, up to rank 4. Leaving some space for arcane drops. Hopefully I’ll have managed to find all the various parts by the time I’m done with arcanes.
My friends and I have a working system, I'm the Titania who collects all the crystals and they defend. We do 4 round rotations for 158/158 which is the maximum you can get on Steel Path since even collecting crystals at max speed it only spawns so many. Or doing up to 12 rounds. At 4 rounds it takes 24 minutes and gives 158/158 if you get no parts and must pity buy, it takes like 1260 of each to max each arcane, 1k of each for the captura scene and I think 3k of each for all weapons and citrine herself. It's easily 20+ hours if you have no luck in getting parts and shaves off between 50 minutes per citrine/weapon part and 1.25 hours if you get citrine main blueprint. Arcanes shave off 12 minutes each.
With Titania for gathering Wisp and Slova take us around 3 hours for all parts. We had to buy 2 peaces with the crystals. If u need all Arcanes will take you more time . I do agree with you
Ngl I'm surprised to see someone mention Gara, people tend to forget she exists. But I adore using her with the new augment for her 1 Speaking of Gara augments, I'm hoping the augment for her 4 adds damage to her 2 based on health of enemies encased... 100% would obviously be too much, but maybe 5-10% of the enemy's max HP is added to the 2's damage when broken
Wanting to try her new augment out. It might actually let her ramp up damage support in harder content without relying on the stacking which I dislike doing even though they made that easier too!
Now she can stack her 2 by breaking her 4 with her 1 regardless of whether she's outside or inside of it (Man, what a nonsensical sentence I'm typing), I suspect she might see a lot more play. I haven't messed with her augment yet, but I suspect it will help nuke the tougher opponents. Muscle memory still has me roll outside of the 4 sometimes, though.
@@ynshakespeare Thats what i thought initially, I tested the augment right after the update, Gara can increase damage vulnerability to enemies by using her 2 on them. The only thing the augment does is spread this effect to every enemy affected by the explosion, which is useless. Disappointing
My guess is that a lot of them are trying for the weapon parts, and don't understand the AABC rotation. If someone does that, I assume that they believe the rotation to be ABC
Problem that i am having are that it's very monotone grind. While you grind for Voruna, you at least get to play on bigger rng Lua map.. Citrine are same small map over and over. Plus as someone said before this are more or less same as Defense mission on Neptune but yet again Neptune variant are slightly better because there you got more possible defense locations. So all in all for me mirror defense are reused and gimped copy of what we already have in game.
doing the non steel path, i go with a range/power/roar equinox with mod/arcanes to increase damage of 4, aside eximus and nullifiers i can keep the area clear of enemies so the squad can focus on getting the shards. WHile playing solo when people leave on rotation A/B, it seems eximus triggers the spawn of more shards, that is why killing faster dont matter much. so far, i find it more enjoyable than voruna farm.
Weve done this with a team of 3, 4 rounds then leave. Got chassis, all weapons, and systems. Used remaining crystals to buy her main bp and neuroptics. Its taken a long time tho. Like 10-15 runs and several days lol. Now im farming the mats on deimos for the individual bps. Its fun tho, repetitive but fun. Weve got a ton of endo doing this. I started with 1k endo and now have 10k endo so thats a plus. Hoping to have her crafting this weekend. I love rocks and minerals so its a must have warframe for me. Although the geode spread looks a little weird lol im hoping to color her to look like an amethyst geode. Will see lol ❤ good luck yall
I'm gonna be perfectly honest. Without the hype of a new warframe being released, the crystal grind for otak's shop sucks eggs. It is obscenely high for no reason almost a year later. One time can be suffered through but the fact you need at least 2 Citrines its just too much to be bothered with. This exact sentiment could be applied to Voruna as well. Its awesome they added in a pity system but what shouldve happened was these frames/weapons needed to be put into the relevant vendor syndicates. Citrine goes to the Necralisk and Voruna to the Zariman as a level 2 or 3 purchaseable blueprint. DE did this in the past with Baruuk and Hildryn, they also did it with Qorvex as a level 2 Cavia shop item. There was no reason why both of these needed to require their own shops. Especially considering that once you're done farming the warframes and weapons the modes are completely dead.
I forgot about the shop on Deimos so i just kept farming but i only got 20 duplicates of 2 or 3 blueprints... i'll go and spend some of the thousands of crystals i amassed over the time...
@Jordan McMinn If you refuse to spend the crystals, sure. Cuz in 3 hours of farming, you'll probably have enough to buy the whole thing right there. I got lucky enough to get 3 parts in 3 C rotations and just bought the last part with the crystals I had.
It was just a little over 1 hr farming. Not bad. Though i do really want the arcanes and haven't gotten any so far... so this is where my luck is gonna end. I'm gonna get nothing but Citrine drops now lol
At least 10 hours in and only have 2 citrine parts. Got the melee but missing one steflos part. Have enough crystals to buy all the parts but wanted to save those for the arcanes. Only doing this grind for daily focus cap.
I haven't gotten all of the arcanes and far from maxing any of them yet, but for the frame and weapons, this is the shortest grind I've ever had. This is also the most enjoyable defense mission. I did the entire thing solo (normal, I don't have SP unlocked yet) with Vauban, using his nail grenades to defend the crystals and kill enemies while I ran around grabbing crystals and cycling back to the crystal occasionally to refresh the grenades. I probably did the mission around 10~15 times total. :3
I hecking love this new gamemode, it made me think of the good old steel path interception where you stall the game indefinitely. This gamemode seems to be a mix of mobile defense and void flood but in reality it is just a defense mission with a squad of 2 players. Because dividing the team can let your friends rest for a little bit from this terribly boring gamemode. Also stalling frames are way too good in this mission and the enemy’s level are low enough that CC abilities can even kill. The fun part of this mission is that you can watch youtube videos while playing or even playing other video games while playing. Comparing to other time based gamemode. Since someone said killing is important, survival mode rewards you killing the enemy with the life support which is required to not lose. However in this mode, minimal killing is required to increase the spawn of the crystals. Which means one player stalling, one player grabbing the crystals seems to be the best choice. Also normal mobile defense gets cheesed by the funny limbo I dont see what makes this gamemode actually fun. It doesnt reward you being skillful like disruption and void cascase. Pls DE, for the sake of our sanity, make this gamemode somehow enjoyable.
I'm generally tilted to see 3000 credits as a round reward, ffs its 2023 and some how they still think its a good idea to put it in a new mission that players are gonna spend so much time in.
I've done about 12 runs and I have the main citrine bp, three arcanes, two weapon parts and six stelfos bps... I'm not too happy about the rng honestly. I've gotten between 94 and 100 frags with two or three bad 84 frag runs.
Stupid question, and probably a decent video idea: everybody says Steflos is worse than the Arca Plasmor, let alone the Tenet variant and I agree but it was launched with Citrine, Citrinie who can grant 300% crit chance to any weapon she or her allies use. Now, to be honest, putting a Tenet arca plasmor in her hands would still be the better options, but here's my question: How does the Steflos compare when she[Citrine] is using it to the Tenet in the hands of any other frame? Just to make it fair, lets say how does it compare to the Tenet Arca Plasmor as held by Mirage Prime, Rhino Prime, Xaku or Harrow Prime? Again, I understand that putting the Tenet in her hand would still be preferable, but I just want to know if DE actually gimped the Steflos because it was coming out with a 300% crit warframe or if it's jsut a bad weapon?
It's more mindless grind, that was proceeded by mindless grind, and that mindless grind was also proceeded with more mindless grind. I don't mind grinding, BUT MAKE IT FUN. There's nothing fun about this mission other than the 30 seconds in the admittedly cool looking void tunnel. The sad part is that there's good ideas here. I love the idea of going against multiple enemy types and through the different planets in one mission, it's just that as always, good ideas in WF are shipped with awful execution. There's nothing fun about this mission, it's just a defense mission with extra busy work. After how absolutely garbage the last like four updates have been, I have zero hope for Divuri and even less hope for the future of Warframe as a whole.
everything you said is right except one thing, this is not a real defense where nuking or in general being quick rewards me here the only thing that is being tested is my patience
I'm way behind, given that I was definitely playing Warframe when Citrine was released. I'm grinding this mission trying to get her, though, and I'm glad to know more about the remnants. I knew they were supposed to be collected, but didn't understand why. Does the whole team benefit from one or two players scooping remnants? You made it sound like they do, just verifying. Thanks!
After analysing the mission for a while now I noticed that it all around mimics Vorunas Conjunction survival at Yuvarium in the loot-table distribution, but lacks the "harder" mission with the trimmed rewardtable to get more themed rewards from. I wonder why they decided to not make a 80-100 level version like before. Did it devide the playerbase too much? Is Mars too crowded with mission to make it look fitting? One side note, why do the corpus have no general barking at you, the Grineer got Tyl Regor on the job, but the Corpus ran out of Budget? or Named NPCs?
Upside: Finally a "stationary" type mode where one can use Nova again, after many, many years. Downside: People will still flame and complain about Novas slow reducing their effectivity -.- (My result for farming both with Nuke-the-world Mirage and 75% Slow nova was 144 in both cases... with the most noticeable deviations being the missions where people complained instead of playing).
I've found sometimes the 30 second buffer between crystals doesn't happen and the void tunnel doesn't get replenished with Citrine fragments. Is this a result of somebody jumping the gun and getting to the next crystal early, or is it just a bug? I feel like sometimes I don't see an ally having gone on ahead.
I imagine the weapon ones will, as all others do, struggle to compete with the Steel Path ones, so it's going to take more complex math than me skimming them to answer for those. Arcane Steadfast I basically wouldn't bother with, with how abundant energy is by now. I'm basically interested in Double Back, because I'm a scrub who takes damage but doesn't like Rolling Guard for some reason, but none of them really blow me away.
@@heroicskeleton1566 I haven't crunched the numbers admittedly, but I'm not impressed by the 24% chance to proc another status on paper. Our primers already can kick out a bunch of different statuses all at once, and our high status guns want the damage from the arcane to ramp up their slash or heat proc damage. I wish the primary one that gives more damage for 10 seconds after reload according to 'magazine size' was a bit more transparent too. I'm imagining a goofy Soma Prime build with the primed magazine mod if it's worth ever using.
@Joe Homer the whole point is for CO procing. it's a random status effect. On status weapons that's gonna trigger enough to give a bunch of extra procs that you weren't getting otherwise
@@Joe90h sure dude. Are you nuts? The arcane procs ANY random status effect, even those that are NOT on the weapon... It's like a pocket voruna. It's op af lmao
This farm is pure pain Especially since for some reason sometimes the enemies spawn early before the round starts and before my team gets to the other crystal and it gets destroyed and we lose all the damn progress Edit: just to make things clear I'm talking about steelpath And when a mob of enemies of that level spawn on the crystal the moment the void 30 seconds end they delete the crystal basically instantly
I can only recommend trying the mode with frames like Equinox or Protea, as they should be able to grant overshields to the crystal (it works with Protea atleast, havent testet with Equinox/Hildryn/Harrow, they could all work in theory as they can give overshields)
Why don't you have nukers that can nuke the moment they get close to the center? The crystals have a ton of hp. Bring a Saryn or something. I bring Titania with Thermal so I can go asap to where I'm needed and nuke.
@@helinovvv5133 i dont knwo if it still works but you could try subsuming well of life onto youe Saryn and see if you cna put Spores onto an enemy and then well of life to make them keep the spores from decaying while not dying to them
That's bs. The crystals afaik have full health and overshields at the start of a round. They have A LOT. Impossible to lose it all even in 1 minute of enemy fire. Also, between rounds there is a 30 seconds time in which you are supposed to be on the void place, picking up more crystals. Are you doing that? Lmao.
Just put Citrine and weapons in forge. Can't say it took too much time, even though I've bought from Otak 1 part of Citrine and in total 4 parts of weapons. About 1 out of 4 runs was on Steel Path. Never less then 100 for normal (or maybe just one run like 90-95), and in range of 130-160 on SP (per rotation C per color). Result, i guess, is not more than 6 hours without arcanes. But still i think it is a bit long IMO, i really wish this warframe was more friendly for neophytes who are not used to farm in this game yet) Especially with this pity system, which I personally like
i mean, its far easier to farm. even someone like trinity will take far less than citrine, as you are forced to run a 24 minutes mission for either a 4.5% chance to get something or 1/10th-1/15th of the currency needed to buy her.
On one hand, Citrine functions as a Valentine's day event and motherly allegory. On the other hand, missed opportunity to make more jokes about lesbian rock women.
im gonna be honest, they REALLY made the farm atrocious. yeah you can buy parts, but my god, the time it takes... you are forced to go for 24 minutes for a 4.5% try? that's the kind of shit that really makes me not want to come back.
Mirror Defense made me realize that I didn’t waste dozens of hours of my life grinding Void Flood, since it trained me to be good at collecting random stuff floating in the air.
Can you be my titania? 😳
I'm 13 C rotations in and haven't gotten a single Citrine piece, and honestly I can't be mad.
I'm finally getting my 1 in a thousand moment
We got 1 on our 11th C rotation, we were furious the whole time. We only got two Steflos barrels as well, no other arcanes or weapon parts/BPs.
I got at least 3 dupes.... man....
I went in 3 times, did 2 c rotations and got only the main bp for her, the gun and melee. Better to get just the main bp and just buy the parts from the little robot dude.
@@Purplemen101 outta 6 runs 2 arcanes 2 cit parts, 2 wep BP.. no jokes.. after that it fell off
ops all relics
The fragment shop is doing a LOT of work for this farm. If we had the same drop rates but no shop for buying blueprints... well suffice to say only 3% of players would be happy about it.
Why 3%? This is why: ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxNQztqoCeFQqQxRPCupzhxTunxzVJPfkZ
The infamous "Gemussy" its not just an artefact of the red-text being highly cursed btw. It is ingrained into the game at a deeper level. If you search "Gemussy" in the foundary (and presumably other places too but I have not checked) Citrine and citrine related things appear. The curse has taken root...
This is not the case, I have already tried and it doesnt give any results. Foundry, Arsenal, Otak, Market, etc.
It’s not Gemussy, it’s Geodussy you cretin
@@XochiCh it’s a joke
@@XochiCh wisp nice popo
@@teknyon we don't joke here, this is serious business
Ah, so the crystals are fuelled by murder.
A ton of the fragments spawn inside the tunnel during the 30 secconds you get to move to the other crystal, with a team that straight up doesn't bother getting these you can easily lose around 14 crystals each here in a C rotation run.
My best run so far was 158/151, and we were so close to getting the final fragments to make it 158/151 too!
Edit: Got 158/158! We weren't completely perfect, so maybe some people could push it to 165/158, not sure if you could get any better than that though.
Yup that’s why I just went titania and got em all
That’s very smart! Thanks for the idea, never thought of that myself lol.
This farm took me 700 plat
But the bundle is 740 lol
🤓
@@celestialkitsune his de plug got him 40 plat off.
Same
what about arcanes? they are like the worst part of thi farm
I want to add that I would consider a second frame for the category of "buy everything". You still want to throw one into the helminth, so I think it should be part of the farm for her.
Ima just wait til she gets a prime and then subsume the regular version of her
These rates make me feel good about getting 80-85 fragments per rotation C solo (on normal mode) xD
C rotation is 4 rounds sorry to burst your bubble
Wait solo? Why in gods name would you do it solo
@@Someonedid911 there are people with potato pcs or internet... And... Crazy enough... That enjoy playing solo! Crazy right?
@@jordanmcminn998 yupyupyup! I know, thank you!
@@Someonedid911 Friends that I play with aren't on 100% of the time that I was back then/they didn't always want to play that with me
Honestly im just happy to see the return of the old tileset
I'd like to see some sort of duplicate protection and reward buyback added access both token venders
I like that I don't have to worry about killing enemies too much. On Steel Path, even if I don't get a squad, I can just focus on proofing the crystal and collecting the shards.
Zephyr is very good at keeping the balance between the requirements: High mobility, decent protection, tornado is excellent at locking the area down an distributes damage in an area, even to overguarded enemies, keeping the kills coming and the orbs dropping in one spot.
I think I farmed for roughly 18 hours or so, on SP, and during that I only got Citrine Systems and the weapon BPs. That's it. We were pretty efficient, collecting crystals and such. I finally gave up and bought her with crystals.
A lot of people are complaining and leaving early on because "efficiency" or something. This mode is actually something I've wanted for a while. A mode that doesn't advance solely from killing. It's slow but it's actually fun for some reason. Shame peeps refuse to actually play for any amount of time to make it interesting.
It's just because you get people that don't even pick up the gems cause they have no clue or is lazy. I started bringing Titania with Razor wing and Thermal on my runs because people were pissing me off. I'd just do it myself. I just need warm bodies to baby sit the crystal even though the game mode is easy enough not to baby sit it due to the mechanics.
@@lanoche that’s what I ended up doing too lmao
It is legit one of the worst gamemode currently with the mix of mobile defense and void flood. It is the gamemode of you get someone cc the whole field while some others scout the map brainlessly. How do you think this is fun
I put da limbo bubble, i run over da crystals. I'm bored to fuck within 5 minutes
@@loggh552 You shouldn’t be CC’ing, killing is mostly what you’re supposed to do. DE themselves said that the traditional CC-focused way of defending is not the best for this mode, and that killing is much more important.
Also Void Flood is pretty fun, aside from the twerp who steals your void jelly.
Was a good/chill experience for me, ran volt nuke got the expensive BP from rotation & bought the rest👍
Fun fact: you can use Titania to quickly reinforced the crystal. This also grant you 30-45 Belric and Arabia’s crystals per side. The key is to use Razorwing Blitz and just keep kill the enemies quickly and gather energy orbs to maintain the ability
I have been waiting for your math on this grind🙌🏽
I've done some testing myself with my bro, and we are pretty certain gems respawn every 8 seconds if you are indeed getting kills. One competent Titania player with a good ear for gem respawn sound (but without Razorwing Blitz, unless you are a Titania God that can deal with ludicrous speed in small spaces) with occasional help from damage dealer ('gems spawn close to me, might as well pick them up' kind of deal) can probably get all crystals that spawn during defense, and a with both players focusing on pick ups during tunnel sections you can get them all, comfortably approaching 150 crystals each every rotation C on Steel Path.
And, like with most missions because god damn she just cannot be useless even once, Protea is a very solid pick for damage frame. Besides providing energy for Titania with Dispensary, her shield nades affect Ranias and Berlics crystals, which makes protecting them that much less stressful.
What i am wondering, Ken, is are you planning on doing a video like you did with Lua arcanes? These ones look neat on the surface, but i don't see myself replacing any of my usual arcanes with them.
I honestly REALLY enjoy this new farming method. Between Citrine and Voruna, I hope that it becomes a pseudo-regular thing. For frames that *are* in harder missions, giving you the ability to purchase the parts you just can't get to drop is soooo nice. I helped my girlfriend grind for Voruna even though I had already bought her, and I was more than happy to dump all my rewards into buying Yonta's arcanes while my girlfriend got Voruna. Makes it a lot easier to play these sorts of things with friends!
That my be so, however the drop rates are truely atrocous, not only that but it takes way too much currency to get anything. currently at rotation number c 23... not a sigle frame part... no weapons... not even an arcane... I fucking dispise this....
@@fandom_jumper I... did not have that much trouble. Unlucky, man. :(
I can only imagine the pain farming this a year later when most people have stopped playing this one mission where you get her from.
The rewards needs to be gotten from somewhere else.
You are guaranteed 10 crystals from each round, that's 40 minimum in a C rotation.
Honestly, just use a gara specter, or thermal sunder on your titania. That thermal titania is super easy solo
As a veteran casual tenno wallowing in upper middle game for 7 years, I can say that it's not that hard to solo this mission. By the sound of it maxing the arcanes are the only unreasonable thing to attempt solo.
You can do Gloom Saryn on solo steel path (C rotation) for an average of 120-130 fragments. High effort, but not hard as nothing is hard in WF.
If you want to be lazy then Thermal sunder titania is a breeze, and a guaranteed 100 fragments on normal for a C rotation.
@@UltravioletNomad I know you can deal with all of the enemies easily. It's all of the extra crystals that you need to gather to speed up the farm that won't be happening.
Doing it solo would just drag out that farm time a lot more.
@@Zefar77 ... No?...
Just bring aoe abilities and weapons, and pick up crystals indtead of sitting on the objective... Git gud?... A dude already told you 2 solid builds...
After watching this video and the one about Voruna, it makes me realize that those farms don't take as long as I first thought. That's cool, time to go for the last frames I'm missing out.
It was annoying playing this mode in public because people would leave after only 2-3 waves. For how easy it is, how fast it goes, and how fast you can gather the gems while a person defends, it blew my mind why people dropped so early. When I finally got some friends online for a team of 3, we ended up breezing through it. Typically hitting between wave 6 and 8 on normal star chart, we were getting between 150-200 fragments a run and at least one part or blueprint, though we did get a lot of duplicates. After about 5 hours, we all have enough parts/bps and fragments to get everything. I love the way they're handling these new frames. I mean, obviously grinding out an early frame from a boss fight is like a 20 minute job, but I enjoy the spin on these missions and the purchasing system.
not 20, 24. dont forget the time in between. its around 30 seconds "wait" between mirrors.
@@marcosdheleno I said 20 minutes to get a frame from a boss fight, like farming Rhino or something, not talking about the Citrine mission in that point.
Small correction: You can do Tyana Pass at any point after having reached it, but in order to spend the fragments you must have Otak available, which of course requires heart of deimos
Edit: This was either changed or I was just flat out wrong, my apologies
A note. Unless it was changed after the first day and I am not seeing it posted, or I am misunderstanding your correction. You cannot enter or do Tyana without doing the Heart of Deimos. We tried with my brother and it kicked him from the party mid-load saying he didn't have the prerequisites and had to do Heart of Deimos.
finaly the video i was waiting for!
I’ve been buying the arcanes first, up to rank 4. Leaving some space for arcane drops. Hopefully I’ll have managed to find all the various parts by the time I’m done with arcanes.
This guy just doesn't mess about when it comes to crunching numbers. Bit like me when it comes to preaching the MIGHTY SEER. Love your work
My friends and I have a working system, I'm the Titania who collects all the crystals and they defend. We do 4 round rotations for 158/158 which is the maximum you can get on Steel Path since even collecting crystals at max speed it only spawns so many. Or doing up to 12 rounds. At 4 rounds it takes 24 minutes and gives 158/158 if you get no parts and must pity buy, it takes like 1260 of each to max each arcane, 1k of each for the captura scene and I think 3k of each for all weapons and citrine herself. It's easily 20+ hours if you have no luck in getting parts and shaves off between 50 minutes per citrine/weapon part and 1.25 hours if you get citrine main blueprint. Arcanes shave off 12 minutes each.
With Titania for gathering Wisp and Slova take us around 3 hours for all parts. We had to buy 2 peaces with the crystals. If u need all Arcanes will take you more time .
I do agree with you
Ngl I'm surprised to see someone mention Gara, people tend to forget she exists. But I adore using her with the new augment for her 1
Speaking of Gara augments, I'm hoping the augment for her 4 adds damage to her 2 based on health of enemies encased... 100% would obviously be too much, but maybe 5-10% of the enemy's max HP is added to the 2's damage when broken
Wanting to try her new augment out. It might actually let her ramp up damage support in harder content without relying on the stacking which I dislike doing even though they made that easier too!
@@stuh42l I find it very helpful in the later parts of endurance runs to eek out that extra damage for the beefier units
Now she can stack her 2 by breaking her 4 with her 1 regardless of whether she's outside or inside of it (Man, what a nonsensical sentence I'm typing), I suspect she might see a lot more play. I haven't messed with her augment yet, but I suspect it will help nuke the tougher opponents.
Muscle memory still has me roll outside of the 4 sometimes, though.
@@Joe90h it does, since it'll make her 1 breaking her 4 do all the damage her 2 has stacked up.
@@ynshakespeare Thats what i thought initially, I tested the augment right after the update, Gara can increase damage vulnerability to enemies by using her 2 on them. The only thing the augment does is spread this effect to every enemy affected by the explosion, which is useless. Disappointing
Dawg 1 year later im still dreading this grind 😭 i want to get citrine, her weapons and two of the arcanes but its gonna take so loooonnng
Why are people spamming the A rotations and then leaving?
My guess is that a lot of them are trying for the weapon parts, and don't understand the AABC rotation. If someone does that, I assume that they believe the rotation to be ABC
I got Host migrated and was suddenly in a Team with a citrine neuroptics as drop xD
Problem that i am having are that it's very monotone grind. While you grind for Voruna, you at least get to play on bigger rng Lua map.. Citrine are same small map over and over.
Plus as someone said before this are more or less same as Defense mission on Neptune but yet again Neptune variant are slightly better because there you got more possible defense locations.
So all in all for me mirror defense are reused and gimped copy of what we already have in game.
doing the non steel path, i go with a range/power/roar equinox with mod/arcanes to increase damage of 4, aside eximus and nullifiers i can keep the area clear of enemies so the squad can focus on getting the shards.
WHile playing solo when people leave on rotation A/B, it seems eximus triggers the spawn of more shards, that is why killing faster dont matter much.
so far, i find it more enjoyable than voruna farm.
I got her BP halfway through my farm so it didn't take me too long, shes so good for a tanky support
I've done 7 rotations C and I haven't got a single Citrine piece, at this point I think I'll have to go the long way
Weve done this with a team of 3, 4 rounds then leave. Got chassis, all weapons, and systems. Used remaining crystals to buy her main bp and neuroptics. Its taken a long time tho. Like 10-15 runs and several days lol. Now im farming the mats on deimos for the individual bps. Its fun tho, repetitive but fun. Weve got a ton of endo doing this. I started with 1k endo and now have 10k endo so thats a plus. Hoping to have her crafting this weekend. I love rocks and minerals so its a must have warframe for me. Although the geode spread looks a little weird lol im hoping to color her to look like an amethyst geode. Will see lol ❤ good luck yall
I'm gonna be perfectly honest. Without the hype of a new warframe being released, the crystal grind for otak's shop sucks eggs. It is obscenely high for no reason almost a year later. One time can be suffered through but the fact you need at least 2 Citrines its just too much to be bothered with. This exact sentiment could be applied to Voruna as well. Its awesome they added in a pity system but what shouldve happened was these frames/weapons needed to be put into the relevant vendor syndicates. Citrine goes to the Necralisk and Voruna to the Zariman as a level 2 or 3 purchaseable blueprint.
DE did this in the past with Baruuk and Hildryn, they also did it with Qorvex as a level 2 Cavia shop item. There was no reason why both of these needed to require their own shops. Especially considering that once you're done farming the warframes and weapons the modes are completely dead.
Took me 2 hours for the bps, 7 for the deimos mats
I forgot about the shop on Deimos so i just kept farming but i only got 20 duplicates of 2 or 3 blueprints... i'll go and spend some of the thousands of crystals i amassed over the time...
It only took me 3 runs to get the frame. Now i just need to do another 50 runs to get everything else lol
took me 20 runs
You are extremely lucky to do it in 3 hours
@Jordan McMinn If you refuse to spend the crystals, sure. Cuz in 3 hours of farming, you'll probably have enough to buy the whole thing right there. I got lucky enough to get 3 parts in 3 C rotations and just bought the last part with the crystals I had.
It was just a little over 1 hr farming. Not bad. Though i do really want the arcanes and haven't gotten any so far... so this is where my luck is gonna end. I'm gonna get nothing but Citrine drops now lol
At least 10 hours in and only have 2 citrine parts. Got the melee but missing one steflos part. Have enough crystals to buy all the parts but wanted to save those for the arcanes. Only doing this grind for daily focus cap.
If you guys are in need of play, grind for the arcanes and sell them. They're still selling for 250+ plat
I remember the good old days when they just threw parts into bounties and called it a day
I haven't gotten all of the arcanes and far from maxing any of them yet, but for the frame and weapons, this is the shortest grind I've ever had. This is also the most enjoyable defense mission. I did the entire thing solo (normal, I don't have SP unlocked yet) with Vauban, using his nail grenades to defend the crystals and kill enemies while I ran around grabbing crystals and cycling back to the crystal occasionally to refresh the grenades. I probably did the mission around 10~15 times total. :3
A slower, unchallenging defense mission used to pad out an extra slow grind. Well done DE
Skill issue
I hecking love this new gamemode, it made me think of the good old steel path interception where you stall the game indefinitely. This gamemode seems to be a mix of mobile defense and void flood but in reality it is just a defense mission with a squad of 2 players. Because dividing the team can let your friends rest for a little bit from this terribly boring gamemode. Also stalling frames are way too good in this mission and the enemy’s level are low enough that CC abilities can even kill. The fun part of this mission is that you can watch youtube videos while playing or even playing other video games while playing.
Comparing to other time based gamemode. Since someone said killing is important, survival mode rewards you killing the enemy with the life support which is required to not lose. However in this mode, minimal killing is required to increase the spawn of the crystals. Which means one player stalling, one player grabbing the crystals seems to be the best choice. Also normal mobile defense gets cheesed by the funny limbo
I dont see what makes this gamemode actually fun. It doesnt reward you being skillful like disruption and void cascase. Pls DE, for the sake of our sanity, make this gamemode somehow enjoyable.
It took me 12 C reward rounds to get everything, there's been far worse grinds, luckily.
Zephyr doesnt need to gaurd crystal for first 4 rounds just keep tornados on once in awhile
I'm generally tilted to see 3000 credits as a round reward, ffs its 2023 and some how they still think its a good idea to put it in a new mission that players are gonna spend so much time in.
Im checking at least 4 hrs on steel path to get 1 maxed arcane
I've done about 12 runs and I have the main citrine bp, three arcanes, two weapon parts and six stelfos bps... I'm not too happy about the rng honestly. I've gotten between 94 and 100 frags with two or three bad 84 frag runs.
Stupid question, and probably a decent video idea: everybody says Steflos is worse than the Arca Plasmor, let alone the Tenet variant and I agree but it was launched with Citrine, Citrinie who can grant 300% crit chance to any weapon she or her allies use. Now, to be honest, putting a Tenet arca plasmor in her hands would still be the better options, but here's my question: How does the Steflos compare when she[Citrine] is using it to the Tenet in the hands of any other frame? Just to make it fair, lets say how does it compare to the Tenet Arca Plasmor as held by Mirage Prime, Rhino Prime, Xaku or Harrow Prime? Again, I understand that putting the Tenet in her hand would still be preferable, but I just want to know if DE actually gimped the Steflos because it was coming out with a 300% crit warframe or if it's jsut a bad weapon?
Titania Mains Rise Up, Our Time is now. We must Rise to POWER.
Might as well wait for a prime variant and farm it, will be faster.
Yep 6 rotations 0 parts lol at least I get lots of gems
I like this farm, its nice to have crystal fragments to protect bad luck
It's more mindless grind, that was proceeded by mindless grind, and that mindless grind was also proceeded with more mindless grind. I don't mind grinding, BUT MAKE IT FUN. There's nothing fun about this mission other than the 30 seconds in the admittedly cool looking void tunnel. The sad part is that there's good ideas here. I love the idea of going against multiple enemy types and through the different planets in one mission, it's just that as always, good ideas in WF are shipped with awful execution.
There's nothing fun about this mission, it's just a defense mission with extra busy work. After how absolutely garbage the last like four updates have been, I have zero hope for Divuri and even less hope for the future of Warframe as a whole.
everything you said is right except one thing, this is not a real defense where nuking or in general being quick rewards me here the only thing that is being tested is my patience
@@fortesque9506 I agree with you there.
Someone is pretty burnt out... Leave the game for some months. The game mode is cool dude.
@@DavidUtau no, it isn't, it's a worse version of void flood, how the hell can anyone find this shite fun?
For people who want get everything for free without spend energy, time, patience and fighter soul...... yes its never will be fun.
I'm way behind, given that I was definitely playing Warframe when Citrine was released. I'm grinding this mission trying to get her, though, and I'm glad to know more about the remnants. I knew they were supposed to be collected, but didn't understand why.
Does the whole team benefit from one or two players scooping remnants? You made it sound like they do, just verifying. Thanks!
After analysing the mission for a while now I noticed that it all around mimics Vorunas Conjunction survival at Yuvarium in the loot-table distribution, but lacks the "harder" mission with the trimmed rewardtable to get more themed rewards from. I wonder why they decided to not make a 80-100 level version like before.
Did it devide the playerbase too much?
Is Mars too crowded with mission to make it look fitting?
One side note, why do the corpus have no general barking at you, the Grineer got Tyl Regor on the job, but the Corpus ran out of Budget? or Named NPCs?
The Lotus needs to lore dump you on the corpus side i think that is why idk
I was doing a squad of 2 looters 2 killers, And on sp we managed to get as high as 158/158 but never anything past that
Got 4x chassis -.-
Thanks for this.
The max amount you can get seems to be 330 each for 8 rounds. No matter what we did we could get more shards
Could you do a video about the wolf of Saturn six and why to do them?
Very nice video ty
Upside: Finally a "stationary" type mode where one can use Nova again, after many, many years.
Downside: People will still flame and complain about Novas slow reducing their effectivity -.-
(My result for farming both with Nuke-the-world Mirage and 75% Slow nova was 144 in both cases... with the most noticeable deviations being the missions where people complained instead of playing).
With my experience playing with a nova teammate on fissures... just insta leave when I see a nova. Playing with them is time wasted
I've found sometimes the 30 second buffer between crystals doesn't happen and the void tunnel doesn't get replenished with Citrine fragments. Is this a result of somebody jumping the gun and getting to the next crystal early, or is it just a bug? I feel like sometimes I don't see an ally having gone on ahead.
Never happened to me
@@AC-rx6fr same
Can you make a video about acolytes damage reduction? It would be plenty useful!
It took me 15 rotation C runs to get to get everything except 2 arcanes
that's incredibly lucky, i farmed voruna, 30 C rotations, got 2 bps and 2 neuroptics.
@@marcosdheleno voruna took me about the same as you 😂 wasnt as bad as guass that took me 3 days to get his neuroptics
Do the remnants get boosted by a resource drop chance booster, and do the crystals from remnants get doubled from a smeeta bless/resource booster???
They're not affected by boosters at all
i got her blueprint first match we did 4 rounds
so i think i was lucky
Is Lavos your favourite frame?
It took me longer to find 20 Thaumica.
how about 2 full sets of citrine, then full sets of everything? Because the helminth snack ain't gonna farm itself
Add the hours he said that take to farm the frame, another time. Duh.
@@DavidUtau that's not how it works
How good are the arcanes though? I'd like to know if they're worth it before sinking like 25 hours into it lol
They all seem interesting, the secondary one that multiplies status effects is definitely gonna be good for high status guns and primers
I imagine the weapon ones will, as all others do, struggle to compete with the Steel Path ones, so it's going to take more complex math than me skimming them to answer for those. Arcane Steadfast I basically wouldn't bother with, with how abundant energy is by now. I'm basically interested in Double Back, because I'm a scrub who takes damage but doesn't like Rolling Guard for some reason, but none of them really blow me away.
@@heroicskeleton1566 I haven't crunched the numbers admittedly, but I'm not impressed by the 24% chance to proc another status on paper. Our primers already can kick out a bunch of different statuses all at once, and our high status guns want the damage from the arcane to ramp up their slash or heat proc damage.
I wish the primary one that gives more damage for 10 seconds after reload according to 'magazine size' was a bit more transparent too. I'm imagining a goofy Soma Prime build with the primed magazine mod if it's worth ever using.
@Joe Homer the whole point is for CO procing. it's a random status effect. On status weapons that's gonna trigger enough to give a bunch of extra procs that you weren't getting otherwise
@@Joe90h sure dude. Are you nuts? The arcane procs ANY random status effect, even those that are NOT on the weapon... It's like a pocket voruna. It's op af lmao
This farm is pure pain
Especially since for some reason sometimes the enemies spawn early before the round starts and before my team gets to the other crystal and it gets destroyed and we lose all the damn progress
Edit: just to make things clear I'm talking about steelpath
And when a mob of enemies of that level spawn on the crystal the moment the void 30 seconds end they delete the crystal basically instantly
I can only recommend trying the mode with frames like Equinox or Protea, as they should be able to grant overshields to the crystal (it works with Protea atleast, havent testet with Equinox/Hildryn/Harrow, they could all work in theory as they can give overshields)
I usually got the opposite problem where the enemies don’t spawn fast enough in between rounds and my spore stacks diminish lol
Why don't you have nukers that can nuke the moment they get close to the center? The crystals have a ton of hp. Bring a Saryn or something. I bring Titania with Thermal so I can go asap to where I'm needed and nuke.
@@helinovvv5133 i dont knwo if it still works but you could try subsuming well of life onto youe Saryn and see if you cna put Spores onto an enemy and then well of life to make them keep the spores from decaying while not dying to them
That's bs. The crystals afaik have full health and overshields at the start of a round. They have A LOT. Impossible to lose it all even in 1 minute of enemy fire. Also, between rounds there is a 30 seconds time in which you are supposed to be on the void place, picking up more crystals. Are you doing that? Lmao.
Voruna was easier to farm because boosters helped, Citrine feels like a slog in comparison...
Took me 4 hours to get everything but if I got the warframe blueprint as a drop then I would’ve been done in 2 1/2
Steel path mode should double the rewards
This game mode actually feels Ballanced and easy to farm in
I got the weapons and citrine, did not get a single arcane......
I did all steel path
If 2 players are collecting crystal does it count towards the whole team? Haven't played the mission yet
Yeah, it's a mission objective...
wait...what? only 144 fragments per C rot? im always getting 150-158(mostly 158, 90-95% of the time) each C rot. (SP)
I calculated 300 of each crystal every hour, so around 5 or 6 hours
(Im saying this before watching the video)
Damn that was fast
good to know im Mr average sofar xD.
I was the first in my clan to build her and I am still proud of that.
man, I hate defense mission. I overslept while farming this stage. Wake up because my friend yell at me on discord vc lol
Took one eternity for me ;-;
I played that mod for 4 hours and didnt get any part of this frame
Just put Citrine and weapons in forge. Can't say it took too much time, even though I've bought from Otak 1 part of Citrine and in total 4 parts of weapons. About 1 out of 4 runs was on Steel Path. Never less then 100 for normal (or maybe just one run like 90-95), and in range of 130-160 on SP (per rotation C per color).
Result, i guess, is not more than 6 hours without arcanes. But still i think it is a bit long IMO, i really wish this warframe was more friendly for neophytes who are not used to farm in this game yet) Especially with this pity system, which I personally like
I wonder if the new gunblade will be Eidolon material.
i prefer old school, killing a boss till you get all parts.
i mean, its far easier to farm. even someone like trinity will take far less than citrine, as you are forced to run a 24 minutes mission for either a 4.5% chance to get something or 1/10th-1/15th of the currency needed to buy her.
On one hand, Citrine functions as a Valentine's day event and motherly allegory. On the other hand, missed opportunity to make more jokes about lesbian rock women.
I cant take it anymore
i just know will need atlest 30 runs
Every 4 waves... between 90-100 shard fragments.. plus your drops.. at worse you'll run it 16 times to wave 4...
TL Dr
too damn long
im gonna be honest, they REALLY made the farm atrocious. yeah you can buy parts, but my god, the time it takes... you are forced to go for 24 minutes for a 4.5% try? that's the kind of shit that really makes me not want to come back.
Thx dod