Absolutely. Always laugh when I see content creators or people on Reddit say this can't be done with pubs. I've done the Elite version with pubs every week so far with no problems (outside of the first couple hours after it came out, when people were still gauging how it all worked: mostly too many newbies that didn't realize the immortal liminus would kill them so fast)
It's all luck based. There's a lot of people in public who just expect to get carried. Reminds me of the one time I went into an eidolon hunt in public. Somebody was frost, for some fucked up reason. So I'd rather do it solo, or with friends I know can do well on their own, than have to babysit.
Another tip: There are no restrictions for companions, so you are free to bring your favorite/best companion. For me, I usually run a sentinel with Duplex Bond and Verglas with Shivering Contagion. The extra crowd control really helps me with survivability and Mirror Defense. EDIT: I also run Sacrifice on the sentinel just in case. It actually saved my runs a few times.
A little tip for Mirror Defense: If you spawn the Necramech eximus within the last 5-10 seconds of the round, its spawn animation will eat up all the time left in the round, and it'll die during the transition to the next wave without you having to do anything. The next wave will then start with 1:45 on the timer, and you can repeat this at the end of rounds 2 and 3. Then you can challenge the one on the last round normally Likely a bug, will probably get patched, but a really useful tip to shave that time off even if your squad isn't necessarily capable of defeating the mechs normally
I think it's good to encourage players to experiment and learn how to to use various weapons in the game instead of the same 4 ones your most comfortable with. It also means the more weapons/Warframes you master (as in learn how to properly mod and use them) the better your chances are of getting a 'good' Loadout in Archimedea or Duviri.
When I was a wee baby Tenno, the year's anniversary alerts were running, one with a Melee Only modifier. This immediately introduced me to the variety of ways people would bypass such modifiers, if they didn't feel like not having guns: Wuclone, Xaku, gunblades, archguns, even a two-man Vauban blender. That's when I understood that Warframe at its best isn't a shooter, it's a very convoluted problem solving simulator The challenges set by Deep Archimedea take that problem solving to the next level Very informative video as always
@@undisabled1552 Not a great solution, now if you wanted to try more challenges you can't. You unlocked elite DA? Well, play it next week. Everyone will be pressed to try it with all the challenges, or not do it at all. It will be frustrating because you don't want to underevaluate your own capacity or you won't get another shot. If they did that the unhappiness from the community wouldn't be worth it.
7:50 Elite crew members have a trait where killing an enemy heals all nearby allies by 500 over 10 seconds, which includes the defense objective. Not a lot, but it's something. Also, these on call crew members seems to bypass some damage restriction on the enemies, I give them Kuva Zarr, and it hits those Necramechs pretty hard. If the mission didn't restrict your item wheel, they'll make your run easier.
Back when we had the event in which we could fight the wolf of saturn six over and over again for free, I gave my crewmate a kuva zarr, flew to his spawn as fast as possible with wukong and just watched as my buddy 2 shot him. When I tried using the same zarr build myself, it just sucked. I farmed a bunch of sets of his hammer.
I failed my first elite archimidea this week because of it. Our khora went down because of them. Then i tried tanking them for long enough to get the revive off, but i failed
Fortunately they are vulnerable to some CC. Limbo Stasis trivialised it last week; and this week I found out that Creeping Terrify's 80% slow applies to them, which is great because it's Nekros' Helminth subsumed so you can put it on any frame, and get a pretty good Armour strip to boot
They should at least get a hard-core nerf to their immunities. I hate how last week when I got Khora as a choice that even when I passed on the "-75% ability duration" debuff that I used Khora's Ensnare (one of very few crowd control abilities that works on the Liminus enemies) with about 231% ability duration, which should give Ensnare a 30-second duration, but because of how broken overpowered those things are Ensnare with a 231% ability duration only lasts 1-2 seconds on them. I get this is supposed to be end-game content, but this is just plain ridiculous and unreasonable.
One thing Ken neglected to mention: Your equipped Heavy Weapon (aka Archgun with gravmag) IS deployable in Deep Archimedea and AFAIK there's no variable restricting their use. very useful info to have if you got stuck with a crappy loadout
One thing you kind of glossed over is that archguns are not considered for the gear selection either, so if the transference restriction is in play you still have access to a fairly strong heavy hitter in case your other weapons are weak and not built out. As long as the double whammy of no operator or gear wheel items are not on there's no reason to not have a competent weapon available for at least a significant amount of each mission.
Another damage source worth discussing--your sentinel. Verglas is a reasonable heat-stacker, and adding Fired Up to your sentinel config gives it an extra heat mod. It's enough to whittle down enemies passively, even if your guns are poor, and can make up for bad weapon choices.
I think the best tip i can offer for public matchmakers is always assume you have to do everything yourself. This means if you see revenant in your selection but theres a mirror defense in the missions, pick the CC warframe instead. If your the only CC player then you picked well, if someone else also picked a CC then you just win more. Every warframe these days can survive and deal big damage, selecting warframes that do only these things in public matchmaking is almost always being a detriment to the squad
Now that Chroma has had an augment mod added that really helps keep his Vex Armor up, I would love to see a breakdown of how his Vex Armor stacks up to other damage abilities, including the reworked Eclipse
this would be a lot more fun if there were more weapons viable at high levels, right now it just feels like a lottery of if you're allowed to be helpful or if you'll need to be carried
All weapons are "viable" at high levels. Even the Cronus can kill a Rogue Necramech if you invest in it. What you meant to say is "as good as the Torid Incarnon"
@@CrashSableStop this nonsense. No, not everyone has the time or plat or time to earn plat. In order to buy rivens and forma an item several times every week. You act like this game isn't broken in this element. This week I'm here with no weapons I have invested in before, I'm down 300 platinum on buying rivens and forma to make this work. I've got 3 frames that all focus on CC and somehow I've gotta help on the effervo boss with no ability duration to CC the adds. Short story: I will need to be carried.
@@monkaeyes thinking you even need a riven to do anything in high level is stupid, everyone's been asking for endgame and when its not accesible by newer players you're mad? Thats the whole point of an endgame lmao
@@sansy279 you have an unrealistic expectation for what an "endgame" player is. Someone with a full inventory of invested in weapons is not an endgame player. That is a no-life player.
@@monkaeyeslmao, this is endgame, if you don't have the necessary stuff that means THIS ISNT FOR YOU Why do you believe you're entitled to being able to breeze through any content in the game? So many games have endgames that players have to work towards, this is Warframe's endgame. You are so salty it's really funny, in another reply you said someone with a fully upgraded arsenal is a no loser, no, some of us have been playing for close to 10 years and FINALLY we have our endgame, just like wow does, just like FFXIV does, just like GW2 does. New players shouldn't be able to easily finish any content in the game, that's the point of progression. Also, you have normal netracell runs, which are a lot easier for newbies and also have great rewards Stop complaining about this game having an endgame, it's pathetic, you want everything served on a silver platter, why? Didn't you play any other games in your entire life or something? Literally every mmo has content dedicated for the high level, highly geared players. Jesus Christ, people like you are dragging this community down, you literally lack any sense.
the issue i take with the dealing with modifier section of the video where you say to use certain frames or weapons to get around them is that the mode limits what you can bring and you really only have one flex spot. this can be a problem when you have multiple bad modifiers like low duration, no operator and limited ammo.
There's actually a lot that can be done with just that one flex slot. Carrier or scavenger mods are a great tool for the ammo issues. Loss of operator can hurt if you rely on it for your energy econ, but still utilizing the passive energy cost reduction of Zenurik alongside arcane energize, arcane steadfast, energy nexus, archon stretch where applicable, or even the energy regen aura if needed can buy you just enough leeway to make it through. As for duration, that may just be what you burn the flex slot for it you rolled only frames that very much need that stat. And if you're rebuttal is "Well what if I dont have energize or steadfast? What if my build needs X or Y that the modifiers are blocking." Well then... You might not be ready for Deep Archimedia. This is a weird time as it's been commonplace that whatever new version of endgame added with every patch has been doable with a relatively non-optimized, run of the mill build that a lot of long term players just have the items for sitting around. Deep Archimedia is not that. It is supposed to be a challenge. You're suppose to have to work for it. For instance, I rolled Wisp, miter, Dual Furis, and Ruvox the week. My wisp prime is a bit under where it should be, so I couldve absolutely taken the time to put some form in to get her fully prepped. My ruvox isnt even fully evolved and I couldve finished that out. However, I specifically made the point of finally getting the miter incarnation genesis (which was an hour in duviri farming Tasoma), then put a potato and 2 forma into this gun that I hadn't touched since I got it to level 30 and promised myself I'd get around to the incarnon eventually. Even then, it still took 2 or 3 runs to complete. Yes, DA is hard and requires you to work for your build. That's the point.
@@stefanlewis7773 Or it's actual endgame content finally and you're just bad. Warframe has one of the least predatory F2P models on the market, yet you're saying they just randomly abandoned it? Cope.
@@themonkeys96 simps gonna simp I guess. l've had no problem finishing elite archimedia. If you think that making enemies immune or invulnerable and removing your abilities are good game mechanics then you're more stupid than I thought.
@@themonkeys96 "you're just bad at the game" as if warframe requires any skill.🤣 I guess killing braindead AI make you feel good about your "skill." DE is somewhat reasonable with mtx 's because it's necessary, if they choose to be greedy the game will die. They've tried unreasonable monetization like the recent heirloom skin and quickly apologized and stated they would change any others going forward.
Since you can skip one parameter and still get all the rewards, I think Kullervo is extremly good in these missions. Got a shit weapon/warframe choices ? Just take Kullervo with rest of parameters, take any melee weapon from the selection and mod it for heavy attack. Big damage and good survivability in one. It kinda sucks againts some enemies (murmur boss, some flying enemies), but I had a lot of succes with this in pubs. This is my go to strategy if RNG decides to give me bad options.
Baruuk is also a great "I hate all of this, just let me have one degree of freedom" pick. Requires no weapons and doesn't mind most of the debuffs. Building Dante for his book is also a pretty solid move. It'll be weaker than Kullervo or Baruuk in terms of damage output, but the support options he has can make up for that if you're in a public group.
I'm just waiting for the randomized enforced loadouts to highlight how 2/3rds of the weapons are nigh unusable in high level content while the other 1/3rd completely trivializes it.
@@lookalike4805 Circuit you can force rotate the loadouts it gives you or wait it out, you can't for this. I am not a huge fan given it costs paid resource to be able to own more items at once.
@@lookalike4805 Circuit has decrees that will more than make up for weapon deficits and make it easy to go lvl 2000+ without even feeling it because your weapons deal an extra 500% damage. Deep Archimedia has -75% Duration to go "lol screw your duration based frames that you have to pick, have fun playing Hydroid."
@@adummy9664 That's not 500%, It's more like 200% x 300% x 150% and times other multipliers you can acquire. That's way -- like, _WAY_ more than 500. Meaning you can complete the Circuit with literally any weapon, if you get a decent build for it fast enough not to be wiped.
As someone who doesn't want to deal with "friends", I'm just approaching Deep Archimedea as a maybe each week. If it looks like I can have a good run, I'll do it, otherwise I'll just do 5 Netracells. The only advantages of doing Deep Archimedea are that it will be faster to get a full ranked Crescendo and Duplicate and extra Archon Shards. For the first, I don't really care, I'll get them eventually. For the second, now that we can FINALLY combine shards into Tauforged (should have been in the game from the start, despite Ken's other video), I'm at the point where I don't even need the shards anymore and I'm just building up stockpiles for frames that I might eventually get to investing in.
I got octavia this week as a choice so... Basically just carried She even obliterated the assassination boss lmao Thank god no one uses her so she'll never be nerfed Edit: yes I didn't take the duration modifier 50 vosfor is actually useless when you can get hundreds from just farming void cascade and dissolving arcanes
Did you just not take the negative duration modifier? I had crap primary/melee, but Baruuk as a frame choices, so I dropped the No Operator modifier, allowing me to gets LOTS of safe revives on teammates that don't know how to build into survivability lol
@@drkillbrew6387different person. I also skipped the duration modifier as i was playing hydroid. I had a good selection of weapons to choose from(soma, Grimoire, magistar) all with forma thrown at them
I had Rhino, Braton, Brakk and Praedos this week, so opted to skip the abbreviated abilities modifier. He worked really rather well against the boss, despite my somewhat halfbaked build for him.
After the first week, I've been able to start off with Elite Archimedia the last few weeks. I got a lot of really bad options this week, so I dont know if I really want to do it this week.
You can: -Ignore one equipment requirement because you don't need the 50 vosfors reward at 37 points -Mod for viral, corrosive, cold and puncture (increasing critical damage and survivability) , radiation and blast (cc for non-overguarded enemies) and status duration to support your team or atypical elements for priming murmurs (like gas blast magnetic void and nukor's microwave). -Make your frame a tank with auras that supports your team and use guardian derision (yes I forgot it exists too) and draw fire away from your team -Subsume banshee's silence, which is a must have in defense and assassination. It can block all eximus' abilities, like the draining auras and 3 shields that make them immortal, the homing sparks and ice globes that are annoying af as well as necramechs' abilities -Be shameless and use voidrigs more than your setup -Be even more shameless than me spamming kullervo and build revenant with mesmer shield to make your squad inmortal
i unlocked that last week and it was super easy. last week i had inaros and furis and jsut ran through it, this week i had only boar as usable weapon, built it up, used a revenant with tharros strike in the flex slot doe to duration decrease and it was super easy again
@@КирилКирилов-в1оin other words, maybe this is endgame that's only made for endgame players? Just like wow? Just like FFXIV? Just like GW2? Just like destiny 2? Just like any mmo that has a dedicated piece of content for people that have reached endgame? You literally have the easier version, netracells so you don't cry about missing rewards. Crybabies, crybabies everywhere
@@Kuran1986mf i am an end game player but half the weapons in the game is unplayable garbage and like half of the normally ''playable'' ones are not playable in deep archimedea you are not an end game player, you are just a no life loser that has everything useless in the game maxed out if you have no problems with the game mode
Being given a good frame, but no ability duration for the things that make that frame good is fantastic. Being given a single useful gun but 75% less ammo returns from drops is fantastic. Being given a good melee, but losing energy every second you're close to an enemy is fantastic. Being presented with all of these options simultaneously is fantastic. This game mode is fantastic.
You forgot to mention it but you also have your deployable archgun as part of your Loadout too! It's saved me on a couple occasions. Can't be used if the no gear modifier is on though.
Strait up lazy artificial difficulty, pre determined loadouts is more frustrating than challenging, that being said it's definitely worth doing and it's alot of fun, hope they add more content with reeards like this
I liked the idea, but DE put the worst thing possible to turn this mission into hell, it doesnt matter if you spend 50 forma, a plat for rivens, reactors in some weapons "game:pick this weapon or no reward😐 " bro wtf, am I gonna spend time on my stuff to endgame, when the game can radomize me to use gorgon or viper
There's actually 4/5 different loadouts that aren't limited by randomization: Companions and possibly companion weapons, and archguns. Some pets get a decent amount of kills, and others can help with survivability or damage. Archguns aren't amazing, but if you have a riven for them and/or a frame who can buff them, they can possibly be better than the randomized gear.
I still don't understand how the rewarding system works... So how many and which rewards do you actually get per Elite Deep Archimedea with max research points? Apart from the fixed Entrati Lanthorns and the 70 Vosfor, do you get one reward per mission or only one per fully compleded Deep Archimedea? It doesn't seem like you get a reward for each research point milestone, since that would make it 8 rewards in total and I can't remember getting this many rewards. The amount of rewards I got so far confused me... Last week I only got one Tauforged Archon Shard and one Melee Duplicate (+the fixed rewards).
Excellent video! Now I have a detailed, well-considered rationale for not touching this game mode with a 10 meter Bo, lol. No shade to Tenno who enjoy the challenge (or maybe suffering?), there's just no amount of loot that could make me want to do this.
A week feels too short to invest in a limited selection build, every week. Wish this was almost biweekly. Like this gets me using less used options & makes me want to invest to prepare but it's rough.
I was that Loki and all you need is Safeguard Switch and duration. 15 seconds of invulnerability on your teammates at the cost of slight disorientation.
@@senecahs74 The recent change to not have switch stick Loki in place came in clutch, otherwise i would've died to liminus several times over (still did).
@@711_skiddlz >endgame mission >crappy weapons I've never bothered to hold on to because they are, well, crappy Ah yes, extremely engaging gameplay design by DE. Hopefully in the next update, the missions themselves are gonna be random as well, you're only gonna know what you have to do once you've loaded in the map.
Deep Archimedea sounds fun ... but I doubt I will ever be able to do it. I simply don't put enough time into Warframe to have a large arsenal and endgame builds ready to go. I don't even have Primed Surefooted yet.
Thanks for the vid! I have far better grasp in terms of their challenge and reward pools. Unfortunately, all my friends quit warframe and I just got back from rather long rest. I guess it's a time to call back mates from discord and rank up the sanctum first.
I have a very limited amount of weapons and warframes, so no matter what, I can always use something good. The only difficulty are the debuffs you can get.
Your greeting was so quick that I heard "At the far end of Warframe progression lies a weekly high level mission to really put your asshole to the test..." and I laughed and laughed at the accuracy of that version of the intro.
Something you didnt mention at the start: The selection of Warframes and Weapons you're given will *always* contain one you own for every category, and always in the first column of choices. (Tested on an Mr0 account on release.)
You tested an MR0 account's selection in Deep Archimedea, content that requires you to have maxed out the Cavia's rank which is content after New War? You're going to have to walk me through that one.
@@TheKengineer I'll add my voice to those who can confirm that there absolutely isn't any kind of protection(s) in place. I have no idea where that rumor started, but it's absolutely false. You can absolutely get a choice between three things you don't own, which makes it impossible to get full research that week unless you go out and grind one of the equipment you're missing from those three options.
@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake I don't think that's Possible.... I'm almost Certain Defeating Vay Hek is either a Junction Requirement or a Main Quest Requirement.... And that node is MR Locked. The only way around it is for Accounts that Cleared it before The Locks were put in place (your Account would need to be atleast 6 Years Old)
Every time I've tried to played this mode I've asked myself why am I even doing this I should just go play dead cells or any roguelike that actually properly does randomization. This and duviri just feels so out of place and poorly implemented for me. I'm glad they are trying something new but I hope they don't continue down this path going forward. They already had good challenging endgame mode in the past they just refused to fix the bugs or add to it.
for the power of friendship part, i was told my clanmates that they patched it and all people have to have the same amount of modifyers equiped, so that you cant get carried anymore
@@wtfman2049 Until you get Overguard modifier and then Gloom becomes useless. Decoy has the highest target priority in the game, even higher than defense targets, that's why its useful for this stuff.
Me and two randos did the elite DA this week (week this came out) fine. Didn’t even have a full group. As long as everyone pulls their weight it’s not that hard. I did all but one of the load put challenges, missing out on that vosfer wasn’t a deal breaker for me.
Well, about challenge. Problem is, if you don't get any good frames and weapons and there is one of 3 debuffs present (75% less duration/2 Manadrain per second per enemy/75% less efficiency). The only playable warframe option is inaros. And you have no way to deal damage, since your weapons are all trash. So you are stuck unless somebody can carry. Yes i know specters are pretty good. But if those are locked, operator won't be enough to carry you.
The only downside I have to the alchemy archimedea is the invincible variable. It's tedious to do but even more so solo because the spawns and drops are built around rng, so you'll have what I did when I first tried it solo, where I spent 45 minutes running around trying to bait the game into spawning something I could actually KILL because the enemies remaining were all covered in an aura that I didn't have an amphor for. I shouldn't be watching my watch waiting for the invincible minion to spawn the big huge threat of the map just to have something to kill to MAYBE have a chance at progressing the mission, because otherwise it's a game of chicken where I can't kill them and they can't kill me. Increase the spawns/drops, and I'll have zero issues that I feel need addressing. This is a great game mode otherwise.
I'm about half done maxing the melee arcanes about 8 weeks in to running EDA and Netracells (I pretty much started both at the same time because of when I came back to the game). Tbh I'm kinda mad because it just means I've been getting really unlucky on shards, which are much more important to me.
Found this gamemode on accident, went in normal archimedea 1 point short of elite. What a surprise. I havent sweated so much in warframe since arbitrations were first added.
Honestly idek why i watched the whole vid cause i've already did 3 max reward runs, guud vid Also: If the mission didn't disable equipment ABUSE on-call crew from railjack, they can bring any unrestricted gun
Okay, now I’m interested in that Tank Loki build. I’ve been putting off doing Cavia ranking, but I’ll get to it as soon as I’m done with Necraloid ranks. Only a few hundred Void traces left to go… Thanks for the info!
Loki is great for tanking, because he has augment for transposition and invisibility. With not maxed duration (only 3 not tau shards for duration) invulnerability is about 12 sec for you and around 24 sec for allies, base cost 25 (IIRC if you will max duration it will cost about 30-35 energy), no cooldown nor limitation on simultaneously being on several characters. Plus you can use augment for 4th to mimic Nyx's chaos. You also can try to cheesy place a decay with augment for back up death save. Plus, because you only need duration and a little bit of efficiency to compensate debuff from mods - you have spare mod slot(s) to put whatever you want else. And Loki's invisibility is not channeled - so say hello to zenurik.
I don't have any friends and still manage to do every week of elite deep with random PUGs. A couple failed attempts are still less work than socializing with someone for weeks and convincing them to start playing WF! I'm sure Ken would agree after he runs the numbers...
You can also cheese this with a single friend. One person takes a damage buff frame with optimal weapons and modifiers off while the other guy has all modifiers on and uses revenant with the mesmer skin augment for squad survivability. You only miss out on 50 phosphor that way.
I just unlocked this mode and I have a question. - It cost 2 pulses to play and you can do it as much as you like, right? That's why you said you can do 2:2 team at 9:20
Yes and yes. 2 pulses unlocks unlimited tries for the week, even after getting all rewards. Each reward tier can only be earned once per week regardless of the number of attempts made.
I don't feel much incentive to do Deep Archimedea. Sure, you can get more rewards at once than you can in Netracells, but they're all the same types of rewards, and I'm in no hurry to farm them.
Great video, really well explained. Unfortunately after watching this I have zero incentive to actually play Deep Archimedia - it seems like a misstep by DE that excludes the everyday player who is there for some fun, as opposed to those that have active clans, time to grind up equipment and actually grind this mode. It just sounds terrible for the game as alienates the general playerbase. Duviri at least seems more inclined to include all players.
Don't take it the wrong way, but there already is gazillion things to do just for fun, while i understand your POV, it is crucial to also understand those players who want more difficulty/challenge and rewards.
@MagikarpMan but your everyday player is most likely an endgame player if they have deep archimedea available to them, they just do not live for the sole purpose of playing warframe.
@@beegyoshi1685you don't need to live for the sole purpose of playing Warframe to do deep arch media, if Ur an endgame player you have many weapons and many frames so eda should be no problem even for casual players. I'm a casual player and i do it just fine
I enjoy the challenge, it's the first new mission type that's actually challenged me since breaking into Steel Path (without weapon arcanes). I don't like the load out restrictions, but I get it, we would trivialize it without. Hopefully DE can figure something out because I feel there are more old, outdated, low damage, weapons with ammo and other usability issues than there are good lvl 500 viable weapons (especially without rivens) so I can see getting stuck with nothing happening more often than not. I think DE saw this issue and built-in two workarounds; 1- forgo trash Vosfor reward, and 2- the tried and true Warframe leaching method. I don't like encouraging the second, it feels like, why even bother having the individual challenges if the meta is going to be run the mission twice while getting carried through one, and ignoring the modifiers completely on the other. Still, it's way better than doing Archon Hunts, just waiting for a health bar to go down (especially after they hampered the fun "game" of trying to get the one-shot). De will probably nerf the difficulty in some way (maybe increase rewards?) within a few months if history is anything to go by, but I'll still hold onto hope for a big rework.
Here's the thing about that one thing you can bring and sacraficing the vosfor reward. You can always mod your warframe to be able to handle this. So you can pick a primary or secondary to always be able to kill stuff. And since you always have 1 piece of gear that you own in each category, you can create an interesting synergy. My first deep archimidea i wanted to solo to get elite. My best options were excal and nidus, and i had laetum. I normally resorted to my operator to regen health, but i didnt have that option, so i used to mod that no one thought of, Life Strike
... So basically you're allowed to have 1 gear pick to get the highest chest reward, so... I bring torrid and pick the tankiest frame and slap on arcane guardian and acceleration, which helps defense and fire rate on torrid and if I get decent mates it's a cake walk
I absolutely love this. It's challenging enough that you can't just max it out and take all the items it says without even thinking about it, you actually have to consider all the options and at least make sure one frame or weapon is adequate for the mission, or sacrifice the vosfor to bring a frame/weapon you prefer or shut off a modifier you REALLY hate, like abbreviated abilities for me last week. I REALLY hope DE continues in the same vein of difficulty and gear restrictions to force people to actually git gud and not just use whatever the meta weapon is. My only change for this would be making the mission non-repeatable unless you're running it at an equal or higher level to any previous runs of the week, to prevent carry swaps between players trivializing the content by just bringing top tier meta gear then having a friend do the same.
@@redlord4321 Right, people act like anyone can just create an account and have a Torid Incarnon with 8 Forma, a Potato and Arcane in 2 months, EVERYONE that has meta weapons worked hard for them, they may not have created the builds, but they still had to built the normal Torid, still had to grind SP Circuit for the Adapter, grind the currencies, unlock the challenges, forma the weapon 8 times, not to mention all the steps that are not directly tied to meta but still take a long time (unlocking Steel Path, farming Arcanes and Adapters, farming and maxing lvl 10 mods that are expensive as fuck, etc), it takes a long time to get there, and these people deserve the "power" they have. Like, i'm not against what they are doing with Archimedea, i don't have it unlocked yet, but the concept is super cool, reminds me a bit of GW2 Fractals, but if the entire end game turn into "restriction fest" it will become old and boring very fast.
@@redlord4321 Friend, I was stuck with an ammo limitation and my secondary options were the stug, aegrit, or twin kohmak. With primary choices that were also pretty atrocious, and my only good melee option being the Keratinos. It made me think of a creative way to do the missions and use the gear presented, which is awesome! If you aren't fond of the gear limitations, you can always ignore them for lesser rewards, or simply run netracells instead with the 2 charges you would use for deep archimedea. That's the beauty of this game, and especially this system, we can all choose to play it however we enjoy.
@@redlord4321skill issue This is endgame, dedicated for endgame players, just like wow, FFXIV, gw2, D2 and any other mmo have. You literally have the easier version, netracells, if you arsenal isn't good enough for this. Let us have our fucking endgame and stop crying
I was lucky on my first archimedea last week to have my Excal umbra with wrathful advance. Melting everything even though i had scuffed weapons otherwise.
we did this run yesterday in our clan. so we head 4 player. ech was fine with leaving behind the last reward (50x arce dust). so we ended with: revenant with burston p. inc., frost with bursten p. inc., a dante and a volt. well.... was a bit easy xD
i barely farmed archon shards before taking a break from warframe. i come back and see all of T H I S. reminder to never take a break right before mass story progression and updates
Elite DA is a hell of an ass kick but also really does kick ass. I found some work-arounds to some restrictions though. Running straight to extraction quickly can outrun the duviri health suckers permanently in exterminate. (Haven’t tried survival.) Activating the Necramech right before switching defense targets in mirror defense will count the kill even though it’s the mission clear that does the work.
Everyone has already said it. Just load in with a Revenant Prime or Dante and then follow them around like a puppy while they wipe the missions for you.
I personally tend to only do enough to get the last legendary reward. Mostly when im using nova because 75% loss in duration is absolutely unacceptable for survival.
I tried to get a proper squad together but yeah struggled finding people with both my clan and with Discord, so I just run in public squads. Quite a bit of gamble whether I get really good or really bad squads. Last time I ended up in a squad with a French, Russian and Turkish person... None of them could speak English and none of them could understand eachother and they kept talking ik chat in their own fucking language
DE really went all in tailoring to hardcore endgame players with this. I can tell because I feel alone in enjoying the random arsenal and the damage puzzles it presents and always go solo. Week 1 took 8 attempts and I loved every second of the challenge.
Meanwhile the "endgame" part of the game is stupidly easy, it should have been level 800-1000 enemies for elite, make it proper endgame, I put together a really bad build this week and beat EA with no struggles
@@mightymushroom4980There’s really not much of a difference between lvl 300-400 and lvl 800-1,000 enemies aside from almost requiring armor strip methods for the latter. That doesn’t make it more difficult, it just makes it so you have to put two emerald shards on every frame you choose for it.
@@SmoothTurtle840 More like their survivability barely changes but you're forced to shieldgating on nearly all frames (not very fun). I think the levels are fine rn.
@@mightymushroom4980 And people are still finding a way to bitch. Like... you can forgo one of the limitations, just bring Revenant subsumed with something useful and half the problem is already removed, if you're REALLY unlucky and have no usable weapon too, just bring Octavia subsumed with something useful. I swear half of the playerbase wants to run 1 frame, and 3 weapons for the entire game, in A LOOTER shooter inspired game.
Did max challenges with a good random group last night finished every mission and got the worst rewards and only one shard. Last week did only half the challenges and got three shards. The last reward tier isn't even worth it imo.
Man, the duration is though... And even it gave me to use Voruna and Baruuk, still, these enemies seems to ignore the shieldgate and hit me with everything
Easy ealite guide TLDR: do it 4 times, with 3 players carrying, ignoring loadout restriction, and one of them decked in full worthless gear. Bonus points if one of the carries runs a frame to make everyone else immortal and the other 2 going damage-buff. It really doesnt get easier than that.
I have friends but unfortunately they don't play often and even if they do, a sortie is high enough difficulty for them so no way could they handle this.
its been almost 2 months since i started playing warframe i can do netracells if someone carry my ass because both of my frames are glass cannon i cant pick all keys if i change my builds i cant kill shiet i am half way to getting deep archimedea i dont know if will be able to play it even XD
Highest tier requirement: Have a friend.
Bonus if you can play dante+styanax with them
one time someone called me for help. So I re-did DA with whatever setup I wanted. My friend got rewards for basically calling me in and not leaving.
I just spam pubs and win in 2-3. idk
Me vs my noob randons
I always just join squads in recruit. Almost always 2-3 legendary 4 players.
lost me at "curated squad" we dont do that round these parts, public matchmaking or solo forever
Absolutely. Always laugh when I see content creators or people on Reddit say this can't be done with pubs. I've done the Elite version with pubs every week so far with no problems (outside of the first couple hours after it came out, when people were still gauging how it all worked: mostly too many newbies that didn't realize the immortal liminus would kill them so fast)
It's all luck based. There's a lot of people in public who just expect to get carried. Reminds me of the one time I went into an eidolon hunt in public. Somebody was frost, for some fucked up reason. So I'd rather do it solo, or with friends I know can do well on their own, than have to babysit.
Random ain't so bad been doing them in public squads not soo bad !
@@jamesogeto3061 I am also surprised it hasn't been so bad pugging this. Normal netracell pugs are worse.
@@andieg8615 yeah just have a good 1 good weapon so that you can kill enemies
Another tip: There are no restrictions for companions, so you are free to bring your favorite/best companion.
For me, I usually run a sentinel with Duplex Bond and Verglas with Shivering Contagion. The extra crowd control really helps me with survivability and Mirror Defense.
EDIT: I also run Sacrifice on the sentinel just in case. It actually saved my runs a few times.
Oh hey bluprint
A little tip for Mirror Defense: If you spawn the Necramech eximus within the last 5-10 seconds of the round, its spawn animation will eat up all the time left in the round, and it'll die during the transition to the next wave without you having to do anything. The next wave will then start with 1:45 on the timer, and you can repeat this at the end of rounds 2 and 3. Then you can challenge the one on the last round normally
Likely a bug, will probably get patched, but a really useful tip to shave that time off even if your squad isn't necessarily capable of defeating the mechs normally
This carried me hard last week
Hopefully it stays for some time
Also, use ancient Eximus healer specters!
@@winnerdiego4562no consumables
I have no idea what you mean :D just heard him mention it in the video but I guess I'll eventually just experience it...
Between Deep Archimedea and Circuit, it seems necessary now to build every warframe and have the best variant of every weapon.
I believe that's the true end game. Have every single frame and weapon in the game fully forma'd.
Think it's easier to have a build on all warframes and then gamble on the weapons
I think it's good to encourage players to experiment and learn how to to use various weapons in the game instead of the same 4 ones your most comfortable with.
It also means the more weapons/Warframes you master (as in learn how to properly mod and use them) the better your chances are of getting a 'good' Loadout in Archimedea or Duviri.
I love using new weapons in the circuit but if I ever see the Stug once I unlock Deep Archimedia I'm going to be offended.
When I was a wee baby Tenno, the year's anniversary alerts were running, one with a Melee Only modifier. This immediately introduced me to the variety of ways people would bypass such modifiers, if they didn't feel like not having guns: Wuclone, Xaku, gunblades, archguns, even a two-man Vauban blender. That's when I understood that Warframe at its best isn't a shooter, it's a very convoluted problem solving simulator
The challenges set by Deep Archimedea take that problem solving to the next level
Very informative video as always
Technically one of the solutions is brute force (catalysting and forma-ing the weapons)
Having a friend you can rotate bringing meta gear with to take turns carrying each other is how i beat the mirror defense last week
I think they will patch this. its bypassing the mechanics in a way i think its undermining the achievement.
@@icesharkk6399 how would they patch this, though?
@@ric6611quite easily? Limit it to one completion per week
@@undisabled1552what if you only did a lower tier and wanted to go again for better rewards?
@@undisabled1552 Not a great solution, now if you wanted to try more challenges you can't. You unlocked elite DA? Well, play it next week. Everyone will be pressed to try it with all the challenges, or not do it at all. It will be frustrating because you don't want to underevaluate your own capacity or you won't get another shot.
If they did that the unhappiness from the community wouldn't be worth it.
My favorite part is how more than half of the equipment in Warframe isn't worth using.
That's why we usually have variations.
My 2nd favorite part is how I don't have enough weapon slots for that same half of the equipment
@@kaiserium8551 that just comes with time. Invest in trades with players, buy more slots or ask friends if they can gift it to you.
My favourite part is having an account I've invested a lot of time into and being rewarded for my diverse array of equipment.
my 2nd favorite part is the limit to the # of riven slots we have so it's not even worth maxing any non-meta weapons
7:50 Elite crew members have a trait where killing an enemy heals all nearby allies by 500 over 10 seconds, which includes the defense objective. Not a lot, but it's something.
Also, these on call crew members seems to bypass some damage restriction on the enemies, I give them Kuva Zarr, and it hits those Necramechs pretty hard. If the mission didn't restrict your item wheel, they'll make your run easier.
I don't think there's any Bypassing ... They just Deal more Damage than We Do.... And they Never Reload. 😳
Back when we had the event in which we could fight the wolf of saturn six over and over again for free, I gave my crewmate a kuva zarr, flew to his spawn as fast as possible with wukong and just watched as my buddy 2 shot him. When I tried using the same zarr build myself, it just sucked. I farmed a bunch of sets of his hammer.
you don't understand how much I appreciate these videos and the math behind them. Thank you
the vampyric enemys alone are the biggest hurddle for pug groups from what ive noticed, seen them drop like flys trying to chain revive
I failed my first elite archimidea this week because of it. Our khora went down because of them. Then i tried tanking them for long enough to get the revive off, but i failed
It's literally like having 10 toxic procs on you per second. It bypasses shield gating, which is how most frames do endgame content.
Fortunately they are vulnerable to some CC. Limbo Stasis trivialised it last week; and this week I found out that Creeping Terrify's 80% slow applies to them, which is great because it's Nekros' Helminth subsumed so you can put it on any frame, and get a pretty good Armour strip to boot
You mean those invincible guys with the death aura?
They should at least get a hard-core nerf to their immunities. I hate how last week when I got Khora as a choice that even when I passed on the "-75% ability duration" debuff that I used Khora's Ensnare (one of very few crowd control abilities that works on the Liminus enemies) with about 231% ability duration, which should give Ensnare a 30-second duration, but because of how broken overpowered those things are Ensnare with a 231% ability duration only lasts 1-2 seconds on them. I get this is supposed to be end-game content, but this is just plain ridiculous and unreasonable.
One thing Ken neglected to mention:
Your equipped Heavy Weapon (aka Archgun with gravmag) IS deployable in Deep Archimedea and AFAIK there's no variable restricting their use.
very useful info to have if you got stuck with a crappy loadout
There is a modifier that disables EVERY gear if i remember correctly
@@Artikz_ Correct. I've had that modifier, it completely blocks all equipment usage.
@@hexerin fair enough, had not run into that one myself, hence "AFAIK"
And the things about ammo drop and ammo drain. It would be even harder time without a Lavos
@@SecretData001 Don't need to take a lavos, having a pocket Protea specter helps
One thing you kind of glossed over is that archguns are not considered for the gear selection either, so if the transference restriction is in play you still have access to a fairly strong heavy hitter in case your other weapons are weak and not built out. As long as the double whammy of no operator or gear wheel items are not on there's no reason to not have a competent weapon available for at least a significant amount of each mission.
Another damage source worth discussing--your sentinel.
Verglas is a reasonable heat-stacker, and adding Fired Up to your sentinel config gives it an extra heat mod. It's enough to whittle down enemies passively, even if your guns are poor, and can make up for bad weapon choices.
I think the best tip i can offer for public matchmakers is always assume you have to do everything yourself. This means if you see revenant in your selection but theres a mirror defense in the missions, pick the CC warframe instead. If your the only CC player then you picked well, if someone else also picked a CC then you just win more.
Every warframe these days can survive and deal big damage, selecting warframes that do only these things in public matchmaking is almost always being a detriment to the squad
Now that Chroma has had an augment mod added that really helps keep his Vex Armor up, I would love to see a breakdown of how his Vex Armor stacks up to other damage abilities, including the reworked Eclipse
this would be a lot more fun if there were more weapons viable at high levels, right now it just feels like a lottery of if you're allowed to be helpful or if you'll need to be carried
All weapons are "viable" at high levels. Even the Cronus can kill a Rogue Necramech if you invest in it. What you meant to say is "as good as the Torid Incarnon"
@@CrashSableStop this nonsense. No, not everyone has the time or plat or time to earn plat. In order to buy rivens and forma an item several times every week.
You act like this game isn't broken in this element. This week I'm here with no weapons I have invested in before, I'm down 300 platinum on buying rivens and forma to make this work. I've got 3 frames that all focus on CC and somehow I've gotta help on the effervo boss with no ability duration to CC the adds.
Short story: I will need to be carried.
@@monkaeyes thinking you even need a riven to do anything in high level is stupid, everyone's been asking for endgame and when its not accesible by newer players you're mad? Thats the whole point of an endgame lmao
@@sansy279 you have an unrealistic expectation for what an "endgame" player is. Someone with a full inventory of invested in weapons is not an endgame player. That is a no-life player.
@@monkaeyeslmao, this is endgame, if you don't have the necessary stuff that means THIS ISNT FOR YOU
Why do you believe you're entitled to being able to breeze through any content in the game? So many games have endgames that players have to work towards, this is Warframe's endgame.
You are so salty it's really funny, in another reply you said someone with a fully upgraded arsenal is a no loser, no, some of us have been playing for close to 10 years and FINALLY we have our endgame, just like wow does, just like FFXIV does, just like GW2 does.
New players shouldn't be able to easily finish any content in the game, that's the point of progression.
Also, you have normal netracell runs, which are a lot easier for newbies and also have great rewards
Stop complaining about this game having an endgame, it's pathetic, you want everything served on a silver platter, why? Didn't you play any other games in your entire life or something? Literally every mmo has content dedicated for the high level, highly geared players.
Jesus Christ, people like you are dragging this community down, you literally lack any sense.
I do on Public, because if you got a good loadout, you can help everyone, and if you get a Bad Loadout, the others will help aswell
the issue i take with the dealing with modifier section of the video where you say to use certain frames or weapons to get around them is that the mode limits what you can bring and you really only have one flex spot. this can be a problem when you have multiple bad modifiers like low duration, no operator and limited ammo.
There's actually a lot that can be done with just that one flex slot. Carrier or scavenger mods are a great tool for the ammo issues. Loss of operator can hurt if you rely on it for your energy econ, but still utilizing the passive energy cost reduction of Zenurik alongside arcane energize, arcane steadfast, energy nexus, archon stretch where applicable, or even the energy regen aura if needed can buy you just enough leeway to make it through. As for duration, that may just be what you burn the flex slot for it you rolled only frames that very much need that stat.
And if you're rebuttal is "Well what if I dont have energize or steadfast? What if my build needs X or Y that the modifiers are blocking." Well then...
You might not be ready for Deep Archimedia.
This is a weird time as it's been commonplace that whatever new version of endgame added with every patch has been doable with a relatively non-optimized, run of the mill build that a lot of long term players just have the items for sitting around. Deep Archimedia is not that. It is supposed to be a challenge. You're suppose to have to work for it.
For instance, I rolled Wisp, miter, Dual Furis, and Ruvox the week. My wisp prime is a bit under where it should be, so I couldve absolutely taken the time to put some form in to get her fully prepped. My ruvox isnt even fully evolved and I couldve finished that out. However, I specifically made the point of finally getting the miter incarnation genesis (which was an hour in duviri farming Tasoma), then put a potato and 2 forma into this gun that I hadn't touched since I got it to level 30 and promised myself I'd get around to the incarnon eventually. Even then, it still took 2 or 3 runs to complete.
Yes, DA is hard and requires you to work for your build.
That's the point.
@@themonkeys96this is an attempt at hoping you buy plat to get mostly everything you need from DE. Nothing else.
@@stefanlewis7773 Or it's actual endgame content finally and you're just bad. Warframe has one of the least predatory F2P models on the market, yet you're saying they just randomly abandoned it? Cope.
@@themonkeys96 simps gonna simp I guess. l've had no problem finishing elite archimedia.
If you think that making enemies immune or invulnerable and removing your abilities are good game mechanics then you're more stupid than I thought.
@@themonkeys96 "you're just bad at the game" as if warframe requires any skill.🤣 I guess killing braindead AI make you feel good about your "skill."
DE is somewhat reasonable with mtx 's because it's necessary, if they choose to be greedy the game will die.
They've tried unreasonable monetization like the recent heirloom skin and quickly apologized and stated they would change any others going forward.
0:04 my what now?🤨
Arsenal😂
Since you can skip one parameter and still get all the rewards, I think Kullervo is extremly good in these missions. Got a shit weapon/warframe choices ? Just take Kullervo with rest of parameters, take any melee weapon from the selection and mod it for heavy attack. Big damage and good survivability in one. It kinda sucks againts some enemies (murmur boss, some flying enemies), but I had a lot of succes with this in pubs. This is my go to strategy if RNG decides to give me bad options.
Baruuk is also a great "I hate all of this, just let me have one degree of freedom" pick. Requires no weapons and doesn't mind most of the debuffs. Building Dante for his book is also a pretty solid move. It'll be weaker than Kullervo or Baruuk in terms of damage output, but the support options he has can make up for that if you're in a public group.
I'm just waiting for the randomized enforced loadouts to highlight how 2/3rds of the weapons are nigh unusable in high level content while the other 1/3rd completely trivializes it.
It didn't happen for The Circuit... And it Damn Sure ain't Happening Here....
Gotta Improve those Builds, Tenno.
@@lookalike4805 Circuit you can force rotate the loadouts it gives you or wait it out, you can't for this. I am not a huge fan given it costs paid resource to be able to own more items at once.
@@lookalike4805 Circuit has decrees that will more than make up for weapon deficits and make it easy to go lvl 2000+ without even feeling it because your weapons deal an extra 500% damage.
Deep Archimedia has -75% Duration to go "lol screw your duration based frames that you have to pick, have fun playing Hydroid."
@@adummy9664 That's not 500%, It's more like 200% x 300% x 150% and times other multipliers you can acquire. That's way -- like, _WAY_ more than 500. Meaning you can complete the Circuit with literally any weapon, if you get a decent build for it fast enough not to be wiped.
@@ShadeAKAhayate I was making a generic example but yes that's exactly what I was talking about.
As someone who doesn't want to deal with "friends", I'm just approaching Deep Archimedea as a maybe each week. If it looks like I can have a good run, I'll do it, otherwise I'll just do 5 Netracells. The only advantages of doing Deep Archimedea are that it will be faster to get a full ranked Crescendo and Duplicate and extra Archon Shards. For the first, I don't really care, I'll get them eventually. For the second, now that we can FINALLY combine shards into Tauforged (should have been in the game from the start, despite Ken's other video), I'm at the point where I don't even need the shards anymore and I'm just building up stockpiles for frames that I might eventually get to investing in.
The amount of loot you get from Elite DA is crazy, but completely justified seeing as it's a weekly and the gear check is massive.
8:40 Ultimately the endgame of warframe is friend frame.
I got octavia this week as a choice so... Basically just carried
She even obliterated the assassination boss lmao
Thank god no one uses her so she'll never be nerfed
Edit: yes I didn't take the duration modifier
50 vosfor is actually useless when you can get hundreds from just farming void cascade and dissolving arcanes
So the -75% total duration modifier wasn’t an issue for her kit? I figured it would’ve been.
@@SmoothTurtle840 just not turning on that modifier more than solves that issue
Did you just not take the negative duration modifier? I had crap primary/melee, but Baruuk as a frame choices, so I dropped the No Operator modifier, allowing me to gets LOTS of safe revives on teammates that don't know how to build into survivability lol
@@motaluxb-but muh 50 vosfor💀
@@drkillbrew6387different person. I also skipped the duration modifier as i was playing hydroid. I had a good selection of weapons to choose from(soma, Grimoire, magistar) all with forma thrown at them
I had Rhino, Braton, Brakk and Praedos this week, so opted to skip the abbreviated abilities modifier. He worked really rather well against the boss, despite my somewhat halfbaked build for him.
After the first week, I've been able to start off with Elite Archimedia the last few weeks. I got a lot of really bad options this week, so I dont know if I really want to do it this week.
And before anyone asks, yes I've gotten all the rewards just by doing EA
Just have a friend carry you lol
I just make deals and run my preferred loadout to carry a group of 3 in exchange for one of them carrying me with full directives back.
You can:
-Ignore one equipment requirement because you don't need the 50 vosfors reward at 37 points
-Mod for viral, corrosive, cold and puncture (increasing critical damage and survivability) , radiation and blast (cc for non-overguarded enemies) and status duration to support your team or atypical elements for priming murmurs (like gas blast magnetic void and nukor's microwave).
-Make your frame a tank with auras that supports your team and use guardian derision (yes I forgot it exists too) and draw fire away from your team
-Subsume banshee's silence, which is a must have in defense and assassination. It can block all eximus' abilities, like the draining auras and 3 shields that make them immortal, the homing sparks and ice globes that are annoying af as well as necramechs' abilities
-Be shameless and use voidrigs more than your setup
-Be even more shameless than me spamming kullervo and build revenant with mesmer shield to make your squad inmortal
What options do you have?
Your guides are too good. thank you very much for all your work and efficiency and details. Keep it up king. God bless you
i unlocked that last week and it was super easy. last week i had inaros and furis and jsut ran through it, this week i had only boar as usable weapon, built it up, used a revenant with tharros strike in the flex slot doe to duration decrease and it was super easy again
Babe wake up new Kengineer video dropped
Cant call gear lottery a challenge.
Well it is more on mastering your stuff to be honest
You can if you have all the Gear Fully Potatoed and Formad.
@@lookalike4805In other words being allergic to touching grass
@@КирилКирилов-в1оin other words, maybe this is endgame that's only made for endgame players?
Just like wow? Just like FFXIV? Just like GW2? Just like destiny 2? Just like any mmo that has a dedicated piece of content for people that have reached endgame?
You literally have the easier version, netracells so you don't cry about missing rewards.
Crybabies, crybabies everywhere
@@Kuran1986mf i am an end game player but half the weapons in the game is unplayable garbage and like half of the normally ''playable'' ones are not playable in deep archimedea you are not an end game player, you are just a no life loser that has everything useless in the game maxed out if you have no problems with the game mode
Being given a good frame, but no ability duration for the things that make that frame good is fantastic. Being given a single useful gun but 75% less ammo returns from drops is fantastic. Being given a good melee, but losing energy every second you're close to an enemy is fantastic. Being presented with all of these options simultaneously is fantastic.
This game mode is fantastic.
You forgot to mention it but you also have your deployable archgun as part of your Loadout too! It's saved me on a couple occasions. Can't be used if the no gear modifier is on though.
Strait up lazy artificial difficulty, pre determined loadouts is more frustrating than challenging, that being said it's definitely worth doing and it's alot of fun, hope they add more content with reeards like this
I liked the idea, but DE put the worst thing possible to turn this mission into hell, it doesnt matter if you spend 50 forma, a plat for rivens, reactors in some weapons
"game:pick this weapon or no reward😐 "
bro wtf, am I gonna spend time on my stuff to endgame, when the game can radomize me to use gorgon or viper
There's actually 4/5 different loadouts that aren't limited by randomization: Companions and possibly companion weapons, and archguns. Some pets get a decent amount of kills, and others can help with survivability or damage. Archguns aren't amazing, but if you have a riven for them and/or a frame who can buff them, they can possibly be better than the randomized gear.
0:04 Put your WHAT TO THE TEST?
Arsenal
Arse and all
I still don't understand how the rewarding system works...
So how many and which rewards do you actually get per Elite Deep Archimedea with max research points?
Apart from the fixed Entrati Lanthorns and the 70 Vosfor, do you get one reward per mission or only one per fully compleded Deep Archimedea?
It doesn't seem like you get a reward for each research point milestone, since that would make it 8 rewards in total and I can't remember getting this many rewards.
The amount of rewards I got so far confused me... Last week I only got one Tauforged Archon Shard and one Melee Duplicate (+the fixed rewards).
As difficult as DA is, the rewards are well worth it. Some of the modifiers can be quite punishing if you do not have the resistance.
Excellent video! Now I have a detailed, well-considered rationale for not touching this game mode with a 10 meter Bo, lol. No shade to Tenno who enjoy the challenge (or maybe suffering?), there's just no amount of loot that could make me want to do this.
A week feels too short to invest in a limited selection build, every week. Wish this was almost biweekly. Like this gets me using less used options & makes me want to invest to prepare but it's rough.
9:02 Loki as a tank?? Never thought I’d hear those two words used together like that. Wish I could see that build
I was that Loki and all you need is Safeguard Switch and duration. 15 seconds of invulnerability on your teammates at the cost of slight disorientation.
@@SolymribnWaliBarad nice! I wish they’d rework his switch ability to not give me motion sickness lol
@@senecahs74 The recent change to not have switch stick Loki in place came in clutch, otherwise i would've died to liminus several times over (still did).
My dumb ass didn't know about the little toggle switch about elite archimedea. Thank you for showing that
I love having to choose between an un-forma'd Nukor, the Shitotron, and a Stug. This is fantastic game design.
Nukor doesn't even need a forma. Thing is cranked
Warframe players when the content specifically catered to end game players caters to end game players
@@711_skiddlz my bad I should have invested in MR Fodder weapon #43
@@711_skiddlz
>endgame mission
>crappy weapons I've never bothered to hold on to because they are, well, crappy
Ah yes, extremely engaging gameplay design by DE.
Hopefully in the next update, the missions themselves are gonna be random as well, you're only gonna know what you have to do once you've loaded in the map.
@@grev3471 skill issue get better at the game
Ngl, I've been doing netracells for a while now, and I've been rank 5 cavia for most of that time, and I had no idea this existed.
Was a good week. Got 2 tau forged + 4 normal shards + 2 crescendos from this weeks deep archimedia + netracells
Deep Archimedea sounds fun ... but I doubt I will ever be able to do it. I simply don't put enough time into Warframe to have a large arsenal and endgame builds ready to go. I don't even have Primed Surefooted yet.
damn I feel ya… I guess this is the true endgame players have been crying for years
i did all my deep archimedea without any prime mods
@@flowerofash4439 missed the point 🤦🏽♂️
Thanks for the vid! I have far better grasp in terms of their challenge and reward pools. Unfortunately, all my friends quit warframe and I just got back from rather long rest. I guess it's a time to call back mates from discord and rank up the sanctum first.
i didnt even know this existed. now i have to grind through max ranking ANOTHER syndicate. yay
If kitgun is there than it's all secondary kitguns or just 3 showed?
All of them, any configuration
Awesome! Thank You for info!
I have a very limited amount of weapons and warframes, so no matter what, I can always use something good. The only difficulty are the debuffs you can get.
Your greeting was so quick that I heard "At the far end of Warframe progression lies a weekly high level mission to really put your asshole to the test..." and I laughed and laughed at the accuracy of that version of the intro.
Something you didnt mention at the start: The selection of Warframes and Weapons you're given will *always* contain one you own for every category, and always in the first column of choices. (Tested on an Mr0 account on release.)
I didn't mention it because I've had reports to the contrary.
You tested an MR0 account's selection in Deep Archimedea, content that requires you to have maxed out the Cavia's rank which is content after New War?
You're going to have to walk me through that one.
@@Joe90hjust don't rank up I suppose. Doesn't feel very practical for any reason though, so I can't see that being done.
@@TheKengineer I'll add my voice to those who can confirm that there absolutely isn't any kind of protection(s) in place. I have no idea where that rumor started, but it's absolutely false. You can absolutely get a choice between three things you don't own, which makes it impossible to get full research that week unless you go out and grind one of the equipment you're missing from those three options.
@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake
I don't think that's Possible.... I'm almost Certain Defeating Vay Hek is either a Junction Requirement or a Main Quest Requirement.... And that node is MR Locked.
The only way around it is for Accounts that Cleared it before The Locks were put in place (your Account would need to be atleast 6 Years Old)
Abbreviated Abilities is just such a brutal modifier, I hope that I get at least one somewhat decent weapon, so that I can turn it off...
Every time I've tried to played this mode I've asked myself why am I even doing this I should just go play dead cells or any roguelike that actually properly does randomization. This and duviri just feels so out of place and poorly implemented for me. I'm glad they are trying something new but I hope they don't continue down this path going forward. They already had good challenging endgame mode in the past they just refused to fix the bugs or add to it.
for the power of friendship part, i was told my clanmates that they patched it and all people have to have the same amount of modifyers equiped, so that you cant get carried anymore
the mode where you subsume decoy on a new frame every week
Don't even need Decoy, EA is super easy
cool
for me it is gloom for the defense
@@wtfman2049 Until you get Overguard modifier and then Gloom becomes useless. Decoy has the highest target priority in the game, even higher than defense targets, that's why its useful for this stuff.
Why decoy?
My squad crashed while doin the assassination, there was just too much goin on 😭
Doing assassination was hell, thought my xbox was going to explode at some point XD
@@Marin117.Yh that fight is a nightmare on last gen consoles
Hidden Difficulty Unlocked 👀
It almost killed my eyes with effects and screen shake
Me and two randos did the elite DA this week (week this came out) fine. Didn’t even have a full group. As long as everyone pulls their weight it’s not that hard. I did all but one of the load put challenges, missing out on that vosfer wasn’t a deal breaker for me.
Got home just in time for this. Heck yeah
Well, about challenge. Problem is, if you don't get any good frames and weapons and there is one of 3 debuffs present (75% less duration/2 Manadrain per second per enemy/75% less efficiency). The only playable warframe option is inaros. And you have no way to deal damage, since your weapons are all trash. So you are stuck unless somebody can carry.
Yes i know specters are pretty good. But if those are locked, operator won't be enough to carry you.
Build Issue 🤔
Skill issue
The only downside I have to the alchemy archimedea is the invincible variable. It's tedious to do but even more so solo because the spawns and drops are built around rng, so you'll have what I did when I first tried it solo, where I spent 45 minutes running around trying to bait the game into spawning something I could actually KILL because the enemies remaining were all covered in an aura that I didn't have an amphor for. I shouldn't be watching my watch waiting for the invincible minion to spawn the big huge threat of the map just to have something to kill to MAYBE have a chance at progressing the mission, because otherwise it's a game of chicken where I can't kill them and they can't kill me. Increase the spawns/drops, and I'll have zero issues that I feel need addressing. This is a great game mode otherwise.
I'm about half done maxing the melee arcanes about 8 weeks in to running EDA and Netracells (I pretty much started both at the same time because of when I came back to the game). Tbh I'm kinda mad because it just means I've been getting really unlucky on shards, which are much more important to me.
“I can’t plat my way to a social life!!!” - TheKengineer 2024 😂
Found this gamemode on accident, went in normal archimedea 1 point short of elite. What a surprise. I havent sweated so much in warframe since arbitrations were first added.
Honestly idek why i watched the whole vid cause i've already did 3 max reward runs, guud vid
Also: If the mission didn't disable equipment ABUSE on-call crew from railjack, they can bring any unrestricted gun
I LOVE THE KENGINEER!!!
Okay, now I’m interested in that Tank Loki build. I’ve been putting off doing Cavia ranking, but I’ll get to it as soon as I’m done with Necraloid ranks. Only a few hundred Void traces left to go… Thanks for the info!
Loki is great for tanking, because he has augment for transposition and invisibility. With not maxed duration (only 3 not tau shards for duration) invulnerability is about 12 sec for you and around 24 sec for allies, base cost 25 (IIRC if you will max duration it will cost about 30-35 energy), no cooldown nor limitation on simultaneously being on several characters. Plus you can use augment for 4th to mimic Nyx's chaos. You also can try to cheesy place a decay with augment for back up death save.
Plus, because you only need duration and a little bit of efficiency to compensate debuff from mods - you have spare mod slot(s) to put whatever you want else. And Loki's invisibility is not channeled - so say hello to zenurik.
I don't have any friends and still manage to do every week of elite deep with random PUGs. A couple failed attempts are still less work than socializing with someone for weeks and convincing them to start playing WF! I'm sure Ken would agree after he runs the numbers...
You can also cheese this with a single friend. One person takes a damage buff frame with optimal weapons and modifiers off while the other guy has all modifiers on and uses revenant with the mesmer skin augment for squad survivability. You only miss out on 50 phosphor that way.
I just unlocked this mode and I have a question.
- It cost 2 pulses to play and you can do it as much as you like, right? That's why you said you can do 2:2 team at 9:20
Yes and yes. 2 pulses unlocks unlimited tries for the week, even after getting all rewards. Each reward tier can only be earned once per week regardless of the number of attempts made.
Can you make a hound guide? And which mods are best for them?
This late but, congratulations for 100k subs
Just returning after a couple years away, this is so cool xD great explanation
why would you skip on free 50 vosfore, that like half an arcane!
I don't feel much incentive to do Deep Archimedea. Sure, you can get more rewards at once than you can in Netracells, but they're all the same types of rewards, and I'm in no hurry to farm them.
I never did kahl missions so I need a lot of shards for my arsenal so gotta do them but they're not so hard do then normal archimedia it's not so hard
I know my gear is not up to the challenge of Deep Archimedea, I play Warframe not min-max everything I do but to find ways of making myself giggle.
Great video, really well explained. Unfortunately after watching this I have zero incentive to actually play Deep Archimedia - it seems like a misstep by DE that excludes the everyday player who is there for some fun, as opposed to those that have active clans, time to grind up equipment and actually grind this mode. It just sounds terrible for the game as alienates the general playerbase. Duviri at least seems more inclined to include all players.
Don't take it the wrong way, but there already is gazillion things to do just for fun, while i understand your POV, it is crucial to also understand those players who want more difficulty/challenge and rewards.
No way your complaining that an endgame game mode is for endgame players
@MagikarpMan but your everyday player is most likely an endgame player if they have deep archimedea available to them, they just do not live for the sole purpose of playing warframe.
@@beegyoshi1685you don't need to live for the sole purpose of playing Warframe to do deep arch media, if Ur an endgame player you have many weapons and many frames so eda should be no problem even for casual players. I'm a casual player and i do it just fine
Just play the other 99% of the game ffs. You don't NEED to be able to face roll every piece of content in the game.
I enjoy the challenge, it's the first new mission type that's actually challenged me since breaking into Steel Path (without weapon arcanes). I don't like the load out restrictions, but I get it, we would trivialize it without.
Hopefully DE can figure something out because I feel there are more old, outdated, low damage, weapons with ammo and other usability issues than there are good lvl 500 viable weapons (especially without rivens) so I can see getting stuck with nothing happening more often than not. I think DE saw this issue and built-in two workarounds; 1- forgo trash Vosfor reward, and 2- the tried and true Warframe leaching method.
I don't like encouraging the second, it feels like, why even bother having the individual challenges if the meta is going to be run the mission twice while getting carried through one, and ignoring the modifiers completely on the other.
Still, it's way better than doing Archon Hunts, just waiting for a health bar to go down (especially after they hampered the fun "game" of trying to get the one-shot).
De will probably nerf the difficulty in some way (maybe increase rewards?) within a few months if history is anything to go by, but I'll still hold onto hope for a big rework.
Here's the thing about that one thing you can bring and sacraficing the vosfor reward. You can always mod your warframe to be able to handle this. So you can pick a primary or secondary to always be able to kill stuff. And since you always have 1 piece of gear that you own in each category, you can create an interesting synergy.
My first deep archimidea i wanted to solo to get elite. My best options were excal and nidus, and i had laetum. I normally resorted to my operator to regen health, but i didnt have that option, so i used to mod that no one thought of, Life Strike
... So basically you're allowed to have 1 gear pick to get the highest chest reward, so... I bring torrid and pick the tankiest frame and slap on arcane guardian and acceleration, which helps defense and fire rate on torrid and if I get decent mates it's a cake walk
I absolutely love this. It's challenging enough that you can't just max it out and take all the items it says without even thinking about it, you actually have to consider all the options and at least make sure one frame or weapon is adequate for the mission, or sacrifice the vosfor to bring a frame/weapon you prefer or shut off a modifier you REALLY hate, like abbreviated abilities for me last week.
I REALLY hope DE continues in the same vein of difficulty and gear restrictions to force people to actually git gud and not just use whatever the meta weapon is. My only change for this would be making the mission non-repeatable unless you're running it at an equal or higher level to any previous runs of the week, to prevent carry swaps between players trivializing the content by just bringing top tier meta gear then having a friend do the same.
gear restriction is not fun if you want to limit yourself go ahead but dont forth others so when so many weapons are trash
@@redlord4321 Right, people act like anyone can just create an account and have a Torid Incarnon with 8 Forma, a Potato and Arcane in 2 months, EVERYONE that has meta weapons worked hard for them, they may not have created the builds, but they still had to built the normal Torid, still had to grind SP Circuit for the Adapter, grind the currencies, unlock the challenges, forma the weapon 8 times, not to mention all the steps that are not directly tied to meta but still take a long time (unlocking Steel Path, farming Arcanes and Adapters, farming and maxing lvl 10 mods that are expensive as fuck, etc), it takes a long time to get there, and these people deserve the "power" they have.
Like, i'm not against what they are doing with Archimedea, i don't have it unlocked yet, but the concept is super cool, reminds me a bit of GW2 Fractals, but if the entire end game turn into "restriction fest" it will become old and boring very fast.
That final 50 vosfur ani't worth it chief
@@redlord4321 Friend, I was stuck with an ammo limitation and my secondary options were the stug, aegrit, or twin kohmak. With primary choices that were also pretty atrocious, and my only good melee option being the Keratinos. It made me think of a creative way to do the missions and use the gear presented, which is awesome!
If you aren't fond of the gear limitations, you can always ignore them for lesser rewards, or simply run netracells instead with the 2 charges you would use for deep archimedea. That's the beauty of this game, and especially this system, we can all choose to play it however we enjoy.
@@redlord4321skill issue
This is endgame, dedicated for endgame players, just like wow, FFXIV, gw2, D2 and any other mmo have.
You literally have the easier version, netracells, if you arsenal isn't good enough for this.
Let us have our fucking endgame and stop crying
It's soo good to play ONLY as one Warframe, i don't need to farm that many Archon Shards
I was lucky on my first archimedea last week to have my Excal umbra with wrathful advance. Melting everything even though i had scuffed weapons otherwise.
we did this run yesterday in our clan. so we head 4 player. ech was fine with leaving behind the last reward (50x arce dust). so we ended with: revenant with burston p. inc., frost with bursten p. inc., a dante and a volt. well.... was a bit easy xD
i barely farmed archon shards before taking a break from warframe. i come back and see all of T H I S. reminder to never take a break right before mass story progression and updates
Elite DA is a hell of an ass kick but also really does kick ass. I found some work-arounds to some restrictions though.
Running straight to extraction quickly can outrun the duviri health suckers permanently in exterminate. (Haven’t tried survival.)
Activating the Necramech right before switching defense targets in mirror defense will count the kill even though it’s the mission clear that does the work.
Everyone has already said it. Just load in with a Revenant Prime or Dante and then follow them around like a puppy while they wipe the missions for you.
I personally tend to only do enough to get the last legendary reward. Mostly when im using nova because 75% loss in duration is absolutely unacceptable for survival.
I tried to get a proper squad together but yeah struggled finding people with both my clan and with Discord, so I just run in public squads. Quite a bit of gamble whether I get really good or really bad squads. Last time I ended up in a squad with a French, Russian and Turkish person... None of them could speak English and none of them could understand eachother and they kept talking ik chat in their own fucking language
amazing
DE really went all in tailoring to hardcore endgame players with this. I can tell because I feel alone in enjoying the random arsenal and the damage puzzles it presents and always go solo. Week 1 took 8 attempts and I loved every second of the challenge.
Meanwhile the "endgame" part of the game is stupidly easy, it should have been level 800-1000 enemies for elite, make it proper endgame, I put together a really bad build this week and beat EA with no struggles
@@mightymushroom4980There’s really not much of a difference between lvl 300-400 and lvl 800-1,000 enemies aside from almost requiring armor strip methods for the latter.
That doesn’t make it more difficult, it just makes it so you have to put two emerald shards on every frame you choose for it.
@@SmoothTurtle840 More like their survivability barely changes but you're forced to shieldgating on nearly all frames (not very fun). I think the levels are fine rn.
@@mightymushroom4980 And people are still finding a way to bitch. Like... you can forgo one of the limitations, just bring Revenant subsumed with something useful and half the problem is already removed, if you're REALLY unlucky and have no usable weapon too, just bring Octavia subsumed with something useful.
I swear half of the playerbase wants to run 1 frame, and 3 weapons for the entire game, in A LOOTER shooter inspired game.
If i finish 1 run and then i wana do one again will i get the chance to get shards again ?
Did max challenges with a good random group last night finished every mission and got the worst rewards and only one shard. Last week did only half the challenges and got three shards. The last reward tier isn't even worth it imo.
Man, the duration is though... And even it gave me to use Voruna and Baruuk, still, these enemies seems to ignore the shieldgate and hit me with everything
I think it's a little overtuned. I tweaked a build around it and quickly found out the 75% is multiplicative...
Easy ealite guide TLDR: do it 4 times, with 3 players carrying, ignoring loadout restriction, and one of them decked in full worthless gear. Bonus points if one of the carries runs a frame to make everyone else immortal and the other 2 going damage-buff. It really doesnt get easier than that.
I have friends but unfortunately they don't play often and even if they do, a sortie is high enough difficulty for them so no way could they handle this.
its been almost 2 months since i started playing warframe i can do netracells if someone carry my ass because both of my frames are glass cannon i cant pick all keys if i change my builds i cant kill shiet i am half way to getting deep archimedea i dont know if will be able to play it even XD
Basically u need every weapon and frame fully min/maxed.
NEVER SKIP BUILDING 1 FORMA A DAY! Forma is the real endgame.
best explanation since deep archemedia dropped
Tough challenge, aka bring the Laetum modded for radiation and solo it.