African American & South African Pros vs. Cons of Living in Johannesburg, South Africa

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  • Опубліковано 29 лис 2023
  • Explore the vibrant contrasts of life in Johannesburg, South Africa, as an African American and a South African share their experiences, perspectives, and cultural insights.
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  • @lifestylepretoria9181
    @lifestylepretoria9181 8 місяців тому +13

    Why am I crying 4 minutes into the interview 😭😭😭? I love this discussion already 🥰🥰🥰

    • @MsUbhejane
      @MsUbhejane 8 місяців тому +2

      I felt it too 😢

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +2

      Oh wow, thank you for the love hopefully it will be as impactful to others as it was to you!

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 7 місяців тому +1

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNELCan Africans learn to ONLY speak in their own language instead of a black American accent? It's weird. Tyla still retains her accent while in USA so please stop

    • @charlesabinaar3336
      @charlesabinaar3336 7 місяців тому +2

      I’m South African and from far think or see Black Americans more into entertainment careers than economic operations careers… I think they are not pushing education a lot…. my view could be wrong or right.

    • @KhayaDarko
      @KhayaDarko 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@suzygirl1843South Africans Have a Variety of English Accents Based On Their Background, TYLA is Coloured South African and Her Accent Stems From Her Dutch Plus Whatever Else She is, Zulu People Will Have an Accent That Will Have Some of That Coming Out, Trust Me Honey Eventually We All Sound Somewhat Alike and We Certainly DO NOT SOUND BLACK AMERICAN OR AMERICAN, BUT WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT WELL VERSED IN THIS AREA, I'M A PROUD SOUTH AFRICAN WHO RESIDES IN SALT LAKE CITY UTAH, IN AMERICA BUT TRUST ME HONEY I CAN NEVER PASS MYSELF OFF AS AN AMERICAN CAUSE AMERICANS CAN TELL I HAVE A DIFFERENT ACCENT AND MOST OF THEM ALSO KNOW IT'S SOUTH AFRICAN AND I'M SOOO PROUD OF IT, SO EDUCATE YOURSELF DARLIN' BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON THINGS YOU'RE CLEARLY UNAWARE OF .. BEST OF LUCK, DECEMBER 26, 2023😁🤷🏾

  • @Freeingtime
    @Freeingtime 8 місяців тому +9

    Wonderful interview! Mr. Joseph reminds me of Mekhi Phifer😊

  • @tash4312
    @tash4312 8 місяців тому +6

    It’s so great to see men having a discussion about life and sharing their experiences.

  • @lozi4163
    @lozi4163 8 місяців тому +25

    The brother is a true South African. Big up to him, I only disagree with him on issue of migrants but there is no one you can agree with 100%. I will love to come to your show brother

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      Ok ok ok. Are you on instagram?

    • @lozi4163
      @lozi4163 8 місяців тому

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL no

    • @beautylolowya1059
      @beautylolowya1059 8 місяців тому

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL I hope u don’t invite these African foreigners cos they have nothing positive to say about SA..Infact they are the ones who don’t want Americans in SA cos theiy are jealous than we love Americans more than them…They forget that Americans come here legally and don’t commit crimes..There Africans should learn from Americans living in South Africa and stop fighting us in our own country.

    • @mbusosiera1648
      @mbusosiera1648 8 місяців тому +5

      His view was very balanced and apolitical without any ideologies!
      Immigration is a very sensitive issues in America, Europe and South Africa, he did well!

    • @zusibone
      @zusibone 7 місяців тому +5

      His views on Immigration are informed by the Malema and EFF ideology of open borders. He is a Wits Humanities graduate. He has little appreciation of how the economy works. The variables that make up the economic, social and financial system as well political system dictates that you can't just have influx of foreigners with no vision, strategy and plan for them. Organized economies protects the national interests and interests of its citizens. EFF and ANC are into a failed state ideology pushing.
      South Africans travel but don't emigrate or confuse travel with migrating.

  • @bladeuniversecollab1104
    @bladeuniversecollab1104 8 місяців тому +10

    Nkateko smartly explains complex topics and is informative, I love his gentle energy. I enjoyed this interview A LOT! 👏🏾👏🏾

    • @nkatekomabasa5310
      @nkatekomabasa5310 8 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, Rickey is a great interviewer - he made me look smart!

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      He definitely has a way with words and knowing my limited knowledge was able to explain it that even I could comprehend!

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +1

      Hey bro, that's all you! Your words were heard and understood!

    • @nkatekomabasa5310
      @nkatekomabasa5310 7 місяців тому

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL I appreciate it man! You have a great platform, so I had no choice but to bring my A-game.

  • @jamelajamelafarms2025
    @jamelajamelafarms2025 8 місяців тому +12

    This is actually one of the best interviews you have done in my view, as some one who came of age in Johannesburg and then moved to the United States 30 years ago I am impressed by this conversation ❤

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      OH wow, thank you so much! I truly honor and appreciate your feedback! Which state did you move to?

  • @BolamasTheLevite
    @BolamasTheLevite 7 місяців тому +5

    What Americans should know about South Africans they love to greet each other, especially elders, whether you know the person or not, greeting is a sign of peace and expression of showing interests free to have dialogue, like getting to know each other for the first time ..

  • @mattiehunley4366
    @mattiehunley4366 8 місяців тому +17

    Hello Ricky I really just loved your topics and your guest was on point! I am an expiate from the USA 🇺🇸 I really enjoy my retirement visa and I feel really grateful that I am able to retire in South Africa 🇿🇦 it is a beautiful continent!!!1

    • @lozi4163
      @lozi4163 8 місяців тому +3

      This is a good feed back, the country itself is not perfect, USA is way more developed than SA which I believe you know very well but we are trying to get there

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      Thank you kindly and wow, that's nice! Are you living in SA now?

    • @mattiehunley4366
      @mattiehunley4366 8 місяців тому +1

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL you are welcome. Yes I live in SA now!!!1

    • @sandrasgotvoice
      @sandrasgotvoice 8 місяців тому

      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL Would love to see an interview with Mattie; I remember her from the Blantons! As a semi-retiree, I would love to hear a perspective from my generation! @@mattiehunley4366

  • @nkatekomabasa5310
    @nkatekomabasa5310 8 місяців тому +11

    It's a great feeling to meet like-minded people. Rickey is doing awesome work with The Jones Family Channel podcast. Thanks for the invite to the channel brother. Can't wait to watch more episodes with other guests.

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +4

      Thanks bro! Much appreciated. Not only was I informed, challenged and interviewed at some parts but I throughly enjoyed myself and looks like others did too!

    • @MsUbhejane
      @MsUbhejane 7 місяців тому +5

      Nkateko you are level minded, highly informed and you represented well.

    • @nkatekomabasa5310
      @nkatekomabasa5310 7 місяців тому +3

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL I'm surprised and feel honoured by the comments. Really glad I came on to the podcast. Let's do another one.

    • @nkatekomabasa5310
      @nkatekomabasa5310 7 місяців тому +3

      @@MsUbhejane Thank you, it's been years of reading and research 😅 The interviewer also made me feel comfortable 👌

  • @iamlight5593
    @iamlight5593 8 місяців тому +6

    Eating with the hand is good because it connects with our food and tells the brain what your eating and prepares the stomach to digest it efficiently.

  • @user-kp4su9co7l
    @user-kp4su9co7l 8 місяців тому +3

    The guest explain the relationship of South Africans with other African so beautiful and articulated.

  • @ZamaDlams
    @ZamaDlams 8 місяців тому +7

    I agree with you Ricky as far as "people " are concerned. I was in Philadelphia in September and took trains to go from point A to B. On this particular day, I took a 8:30 am train, so there were lot of people waiting for the train. Most looked like they were going to work. As South Africans, at least most, we greet people / each other. We don't have to know them personally. It was so strange in Philly where tons of people would just come and stand next to each other without even a "hello" or "good morning". I almost shouted "hello, good morning everyone"😂😂😂

    • @eastafricanist9156
      @eastafricanist9156 8 місяців тому +2

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @Seeta_sa_gauta
      @Seeta_sa_gauta 8 місяців тому +2

      Do it

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +1

      hahahahaha right do it like @tebza_ngwana said! It's interesting how that can exist and how different that is here. I love that as a people person we should talk to other people!

  • @R1M1r1m1
    @R1M1r1m1 8 місяців тому +10

    Here in the US it's two fold. Yes, you have the lazies, but we also have the system in which we don't have a say in what's going on. Just look at Chicago. Hopefully, they keep up the good fight! Anyway, I love SA! I've been to a few different countries and to me SA is the most beautiful. I like this talk between the two men. I as a woman have learned something from this convo as well.

  • @sandrasgotvoice
    @sandrasgotvoice 8 місяців тому +8

    Best 90+ minutes of my day so far. Love hearing about SA from an intelligent South African! Great topics, great questions, Rickey. I am so grateful for an always present father that raised 7 girls and 2 boys in 3 different generations while working 2 jobs. An interview SO well done .👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      oh wow.... Thank you so much! Yes Joseph was amazing and should be followed as well! Yes shouts out to your father, that's amazing and a blessing all at the same time!

  • @SbuAfrica
    @SbuAfrica 7 місяців тому +2

    I think Brother Ricky should start life couching sessions/ events..he always have something to take home with..wisdom on another level

  • @kaialeitham8202
    @kaialeitham8202 7 місяців тому +2

    Hearing this Brother say he had never experienced racism and could not recognize when a woman was treating him differently, stopped me dead in my tracks. I could not even fathom not knowing racism when I see or experience it.Another great interview❤

    • @kodwat2134
      @kodwat2134 7 місяців тому +1

      I understand what he says. Growing up in the villages, you don't get to interact with other races. You get to interact with racism later in life once you leave the village and live in the cities, because of university and work. At least that has been my experience.

  • @nthabisengmametja7031
    @nthabisengmametja7031 8 місяців тому +5

    Nice interview guys, very informative.

  • @lifestylepretoria9181
    @lifestylepretoria9181 8 місяців тому +7

    Africa for Africans has to be understood in context, at a matured level of consciousness.
    "We aim, politically, at a government of the Africans by the Africans, for the Africans, with everybody who owes his loyalty to Africa and who is prepared to accept the democratic rule of an African majority being regarded as an African."
    Mangaliso Sobukwe

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +1

      Thank you!

    • @suzygirl1843
      @suzygirl1843 7 місяців тому

      @@THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL We need to teach Americans to speak African languages

  • @burtisaac1000
    @burtisaac1000 4 місяці тому +1

    This is beautiful ❤ conversation 🎉!

  • @user-fh3oc5ij3s
    @user-fh3oc5ij3s 8 місяців тому +6

    Malcom X among other films like Roots truely exposed the brutality what Black people in america went through since the times of slavery and still going through today just like here for many Black South Africans,we are one people with different forms challenges and hopes.

  • @mbusosiera1648
    @mbusosiera1648 8 місяців тому +3

    Great interview as always!
    Indeed outside Johannesburg and Cape Town there are more untapped opportunities,development and new cities being built in other provinces!

  • @mapstance9218
    @mapstance9218 8 місяців тому +5

    I enjoyed watching.And very true how economic growth is created within ourselves its really upto people to create something out of nothing, job creation and most successful businesses started small and alot of successful stories.The Government cant save anyone and cant be spoonfed by government it wont help.God helps those who help themselves...

  • @user-uw2dz3ot4g
    @user-uw2dz3ot4g 7 місяців тому +1

    I love this guys analysis. Very on point!

  • @user-mb8ur7sr5z
    @user-mb8ur7sr5z 4 місяці тому +1

    Languages smoothly spoken in limpopo sepedi, xitsonga n venda

  • @aaronlattimore9409
    @aaronlattimore9409 7 місяців тому

    Great interview!!! You covered a variety of topics. Very informative.

  • @user-mb8ur7sr5z
    @user-mb8ur7sr5z 4 місяці тому +1

    Or go to place called magoebakloef in tzaneen

  • @za9940
    @za9940 8 місяців тому +4

    The Jones should not be worried by negative comments , you should understand that even if you were blessing people with $100 everyday , still you will receive negative comments, you should know that you are welcomed in S.A. some of us S.Africans feels entitled to everything and that includes unnecessary comments.

  • @jerrelncbg6240
    @jerrelncbg6240 6 місяців тому +2

    I love the conversation about the laid culture of SA vs the busy culture of America. Although I want to leave America I do think a little sense of urgency is important, but not as important as American culture. It really has to do with America wanting to be the best. America has anxiety and it causes us to be impatient and abusive to one another.

  • @BolamasTheLevite
    @BolamasTheLevite 7 місяців тому +4

    After having interviews about South Africa and it's beauty,
    Please do continue talking about being THE AVAILABLE FATHER Topic. It will help lot of men in South Africa coming from broken homes and families...
    Don't worry once you start will do the promotion..😊😊

  • @aphiwemkaza4822
    @aphiwemkaza4822 8 місяців тому +7

    Mr Joseph kinda look like Will Smith

  • @PurplePillRiches
    @PurplePillRiches 7 місяців тому +3

    The South African brother looks like Actor Mekhi phifer

  • @monacannon6644
    @monacannon6644 7 місяців тому +1

    Great interview!

  • @julianjaybrown713
    @julianjaybrown713 8 місяців тому +2

    This is the best interview I've seen so far...good job, with all the details

  • @Demru_1
    @Demru_1 4 місяці тому +1

    I love the context the SA brother is giving, he is right. I love it when and if all Africans all over the world are one.
    But but but but can I expand on some views as honestly as I can, if my remarks may sound a bit uncomfortable or offensive to others please forgive me in advance, i just pray for a good South Africa which is a true rainbow nation of all nationalities and ethnic groups.
    I do wish all people coming to Mzansi particularly from the continent, the North, West, and Central Africa must not create their own separate communities like they are a cult and their own locations, own industries and it creates prejudice, suspicions and doubts about them becoming difficult for South Africans to understand what they are really in the country for and what they are about and becoming difficult to trust them.
    The neighbouring countrymen who we share a lot of similarities with (Zim, Zam,Moz, Nab, Bots, Les, Esw, Ang) have assimilated very well in Mzansi, thanks to the integration through mining labourers. South Africans only have issues with their legal status, since they feel entitled, no need to document them, they have the right to be here, which has contributed to some of the crimes in the country.
    East Africans also have more similarities with us than with other parts of Africa (food, language, mannerisms).
    On Europeans coming from outside we hope they educate our own Afrikaner community in the country and not join in their songs 🎉, teach them that the world has evolved, what was in the past during apartheid did not work well and what is taking place now the ANC is attempting to correct the injustices, it may not be done perfectly "cause and effect" Vs "trial and error"
    On Americans, if it was ONLY the "rappers" who sing about prostituting women, shooting and drugs coming in to settle in the country, there was going to be a problem of acceptance. But you have the honest people coming in, who do things right, their documentation is right, they want to create meaningful friendships and to share their experience with the knowledge they have with us, they come to our churches, our homes and are willing to learn. South Africans appreciate that a lot from people coming to them and it removes any negative perceptions.
    The Americans well advanced don't say we've been an independent country and they belittle South Africans , be opportunists, instead of sharing their skills.
    From the continent, the concept of pan-Africanism is a false narrative they want South Africa to embrace but no one else believes or exercises it (How the drug trade, human trafficking is taking place in the dark world), it is about what benefits them more than the country they have newly adopted and these are Africans from ''N,W& C'' because they came to compete!

  • @Christine_M_Jones
    @Christine_M_Jones 7 місяців тому +2

    Great interview and vlog ❤

  • @ronaldabuezubane7397
    @ronaldabuezubane7397 8 місяців тому +4

    Good inteview! Would recommend that next time you interview someone, who was born and bred in Johannesburg. That will give you a better perspective of Johannesburg from a black's point of you. Joburgers have been exposed to a variety of urban life, as compared to people who came from the villages to Johannesburg later in life. The villagers will give you a good understanding of village life.

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому +3

      There will be time for all. I value and love the perspectives of many. However your feedback is understood!

  • @BolamasTheLevite
    @BolamasTheLevite 7 місяців тому +1

    Favourite foods: Well learn to cook PHUTHU.
    Serve it in the bowl and mix With Sour Milk (e.g Inkomazi).
    And enjoy

  • @eastafricanist9156
    @eastafricanist9156 8 місяців тому +2

    Great interview, watched it all.

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      Thank you so much, I hope you liked and subscribed as well. More to come!

  • @Marcus_MMM
    @Marcus_MMM 8 місяців тому +1

    Enjoyed the conversation. 👌👏👏👏

  • @LadyWisdom2U
    @LadyWisdom2U 7 місяців тому +2

    In the States we Americans do say “white” all the time just like white people generally refer to us as “black” among other things…deep down South some still call us colored. Perhaps since you are from the South you were trained by the white folk to call them Caucasion, other then seeing this on an application form most people will say “white male, etc.

  • @hhholmes714
    @hhholmes714 7 місяців тому

    How sweet and humble the gentleman seemed❤ When y'all were talking about diversity it made me think about what Charleston White recently said about having your 'kind'...I hope he doesn't change his perceptions on racism vs. mannerisms, but DOES consider marriage!!! A great point about being too close to a situation causing you to only see problems!
    C'mon Bro. Rickey with the time management gems and unmoved position on fatherhood!!!👏🏾👏🏾
    #LetsCheerUpandGetToWork

  • @verlisahooks
    @verlisahooks 8 місяців тому +2

    Interesting my ex and I lived in Augusta for a few years. 😊

  • @chanteyelliott
    @chanteyelliott 8 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic interview

  • @velisithole6917
    @velisithole6917 8 місяців тому +1

    Great interview, learned a lot from it

  • @kgosiking4228
    @kgosiking4228 7 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful episode, have you guys considered having the view in front of you(or is it on the side) actually be behind you in the podcast episodes? That'd beautiful podcastesque scenery

  • @Thabo_Pyro
    @Thabo_Pyro 8 місяців тому +2

    Great video, next time you wana tour Soweto, hala at me lol. I was born and bred in Soweto.

  • @williamwebbs1952
    @williamwebbs1952 8 місяців тому +3

    Another great discussion today 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿 I think the term to use when asking what are they is what ethnic group are you I could be wrong but I think it's sounds better than tribe

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  8 місяців тому

      Thank you kindly and thanks for the word choice, I was always wondering the right way of asking as I'm intrigued

  • @Ntando_ecxo
    @Ntando_ecxo 7 місяців тому +2

    He looks like Will Smith😅💯

  • @shun9862
    @shun9862 8 місяців тому +2

    Salute JFC
    💎👀

  • @user-mb8ur7sr5z
    @user-mb8ur7sr5z 4 місяці тому +1

    U must go to place called bela-bela

  • @valeriechetty8840
    @valeriechetty8840 8 місяців тому +1

    Come to siloam edenvale

  • @jerrelncbg6240
    @jerrelncbg6240 6 місяців тому +2

    I think our meat quality in US has to do with American culture (greed). We value money/business more than people. If big profit can be generated then America will find a way even if that means cutting corners or neglecting side effects.

    • @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL
      @THEJONESFAMILYCHANNEL  6 місяців тому +1

      Very true any way to make money faster, cheaper and to more people will cause things to be done without quality

  • @jerrelncbg6240
    @jerrelncbg6240 6 місяців тому +2

    Eating with your hands is such a wildly contradicting topic from a US perspective. We have "finger foods" (pizza, burgers, tacos, chicken) in the US but find it weird to eat other cultures food with our hands. I know I'm simplifying but there is still a contradiction due to "norms". Who deems what is normal and what isn't? Once you touch any food with your hands there's a contamination/cleanliness risk. But I completely understand when food seems more fluid like that an American would want to use utensils. Please don't be mad at us African Family 😂🤣🤎

  • @mattiehunley4366
    @mattiehunley4366 8 місяців тому +3

    Yes he is handsome Will Smith like qualities 😜!!!1

  • @user-mb8ur7sr5z
    @user-mb8ur7sr5z 4 місяці тому +1

    Xhebelani is female dress for xitsonga

  • @blade_347
    @blade_347 8 місяців тому +2

    ✌🏽✌🏽

  • @Kirsten567
    @Kirsten567 8 місяців тому +9

    That guy kinda looks like Will Smith😂

  • @thiboznjabu64
    @thiboznjabu64 7 місяців тому +1

    The south african dude , has some similarity to Will Smith ? 😆😆😆

  • @TheHuny85
    @TheHuny85 8 місяців тому +2

    South African cuisine is tripe {MOGODU } and pap ,you dont really have to use your hands .It is optional you are not forced to use hands .Bobotie is nice too .Pooitjiekos .Inyama yenhloko {cow head } is popular here too .U will find it in Maboneng for safety .

    • @lifestylepretoria9181
      @lifestylepretoria9181 8 місяців тому +5

      Those are delicacies though… created by poverty 😂🤣 Mogodu, inhloko, maotwana etc. Miss me on that.
      Morogo (multiple varieties), meat (lamb, beef, chicken etc), sorghum, millets, maize, samp , beans, amadumbe, ujeqe (idombolo), isjingi (sweet pumpkin porridge), dinawa etc : That’s South African food.

    • @bladeuniversecollab1104
      @bladeuniversecollab1104 8 місяців тому +4

      Noo! 😢 we should stop selling mogodu and those offals as our food. What happens to the other parts of the butchered animal? Hayi 😌

    • @TheHuny85
      @TheHuny85 8 місяців тому +1

      @@lifestylepretoria9181 not really i stay in Sandton and me and my friends enjoy mogodu mondays in Alex and on Sundays we go to Kwa MaiMAI TO ENJOY INHLOKO ,maybe its a background thing because i have middle class to wealthy friends who enjoy these

    • @TheHuny85
      @TheHuny85 8 місяців тому +2

      @@bladeuniversecollab1104 lol no we cant

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      @bladeuniversecollab1104 8 місяців тому +4

      In certain areas of black SA, offals are fed to dogs. They don’t consume it.