Not gonna lie.. seeing WH2 tournies again after watching soo much WH3 is refreshing, Domination maybe more balanced but Land Battles is soo much more exciting.
I think it's the fact that land battles always has a chance of going down to the wire. Just a few extremely beat up units scrapping it out to the end. A true last stand feel. Domination mode always ends before you get to the really crazy scrappy moments, because the points force a conclusion to the match.
TWW2 multiplayer is the king. The tactical variety is truly amazing. Can't wait for 20+ factions to exist in the game. Let's do a few more of these tourneys before the IE drop. 😎
I am someone who often watches others play something and that motivates me to play because it looks fun (played DOW 2 again because of Turin). I don't know why but the domination gameplay does not motivate me to boot up Warhammer 3. Watching this today made me want to play Warhammer again.
I guess the biggest problem of domination is you cannot see the full battle plan of each player, which is hidden under the reinforcement. Thus hides the strength and weakness of all factions and make them look and fight the same. Watching dominion battle for me is similar to a boring mirror match where players throwing the same unit one at a time without any WOW moment. The pacing of the fight is often too long, unlike traditional land battle, which is much more quick and intense.
@@DoomLord1395 domination looks haphazard with disconnected fights scattered across the map and units being ad hoc summoned and A-moved into the fights. Like you said the strategic layer, the build of reinforcement pool is concealed from the viewers and the maps are ugly and gamey. Adds up to an unexciting experience
@@Sleexb right on, and yeah the maps are structured like Warcraft or even LoL. that said, i was pleasantly surprised at the last domination tournament, where Puggington played so cleanly it looked like land battles, or even historical battles. maybe land battles w/ 1 or 2 objectives, to simplify rules, would be a good compromise.
Didn't king of the dead take a pretty big tourney years back off of Felkon once? I vaguely remember his pre-meta V.C bomber build pulling it off vs Felkons lizardmen, while you sweated HARD into the microphone casting. Some high-water-mark stuff that was in the glory days of Wh2 tournaments. But perhaps the best days of the RTS are yet to come. I have high hopes that total tavern will become what you envision it to be - the community needs a rallying place! Keep it up!
I’m psyched for the Volkmar sub-faction, hopefully he gets some new goodies. I feel like Luther Huss is a must and a way to get different flaggelants would be sick
Not only was HBYY memeing with ghoritch, he was also playing with gutter runners which aren't a unit he's comfortable / experienced using, he was playing a playstyle he wasn't used to on top of everything else. This is why HBYY is mah hero.
Such a great watch, war2 is so much more ascetically pleasing and easier to follow than war3, not to mention I find large unit size and lack of the unnecessary balance changes that came into game 3 very much refreshing and ideal. Though I am missing the dmg value during the game. Hope to see more of such events at a time I can partake in.
I wanted Chosen One to get to the finals, just to hear you say "chosen one" over and over. If only there were a top level player named "Betty" as well.
You laugh, but I’d love to see them just copy-paste the entire Shogun 2 roster into TWW3, give them a new banner and a paragraph of lore and call them Nippon.
Great to watch while waiting for IE. I also like the visualization of the pick and ban phase. The pictures makes it way more interesting. (Its the little things)
Out of curiosity I wonder why prefer domination over land battles, domination while fun to play is slog to watch (3 minute wait till capture starts, piecemeal minor skirmishes, units dying less impactful)
@@chasingrainbows5288 I prefer to watch what I'd play personally. I can always learn something. Honestly I'd watch a voiceover of someone breaking down and analysing their choices and why they made them. Honestly I just love more strategy.
Domination is fun. But idk i really like the feel of land battles. It brings back so much nostalga and feels about warhammer fantasy. Very table top like. Reminds of me of the days of 8th edition bat reps. I dont think its just the races and I hope they dont go away.
Dread Saurian is going to be much stronger in game 3 where healing spells and abilities are percentage based rather than a flat value. Paired with a rev crystal, life slann, or even a oracle will make it an absolute pain to remove
Great stream man! I love the added talk of miniature painting, and been wanting to paint my Demigryphs in the Royal Altdorf Gryphites scheme, but there are so few sources, been wondering what's your approach to it? any chance for a lead :D
For casual epic RTS -> get Supreme Commander FAF I don't know why people don't know this game more :S AoE is fun and all but it just doesn't compare to Supcom.
Miss these land battles , even though they require more rules it’s what makes it great. Domination is cool and all but really good competitive games needs a bunch of checks and balances like football vrs like watching rugby both are contact sports and fun to watch/ play but one is just wayyyyy more entertaining
I like the battles of TWW2 but it feels like you need at least 10 hours on each fraction to understand what units are capable of when using different magic sets or fighting certain armies. I guess the "learning curve" is pretty high compared to most TW games due to sheer varieties
Weren't there 13 bonerippers cause that's the great horned rats number. I swear I read that somewhere that Thanqual went through 13 different bonerippers through out his stories and if 13 was intentional then good stuff.
On the comeback mechanic, I don't think its inherently anti-competetive. Look at mobas, some of the most competitive games out there, those have lots of different comeback mechanics to ensure that games don't get locked out. Then you also have factions like say Cathay, which simply don't get onto objectives fast, or factions like slaanesh which want to value trade and slowly whittle down the enemy with good surrounds, they would be disadvantaged by the scenario.
So happy to see some true land battles... I'm sorry, but I hate domination mode. Until they remove comeback mechanics it's just flat out worse. Fuck come back mechanics.
Perhaps when IE comes out there could be some sort of separation between the pro players and joe public that work have families and don't have time to practice 24/7. Non pro's have very little chance of winning these tournaments or any prize that may be on offer. Nothing against the pro's they are great players and very entertaining but would be fun to see some less talented folk playing.
I hate to burst your bubble, but not only have CA been pretty adamant in interviews about not including End Times units, but if they did add Stormfiends, they'd need to create six separate units for them. Every Stormfiend must be one of six varieties, each having its own weapons and special rules, and not only is that a ton of work (it's more than what most DLC's add for a single faction, before we even get to Verminlords) it's going to be a pain to balance and would flood the already crowded Skaven roster. All on all, if they added all the Skaven units you wanted, they would be adding 13 new units (Thanquol, 6 Verminlords, 6 Stormfiends) which is about as many as most factions receive at launch. Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but there's no way they're adding them in.
@@hallo-mt5tx It doesn't, melee Stormfiends have much heavier armour (and likely different attacks/bonus vs). The Shock Gauntlets version will also likely give a small explosion on contact when they charge.
Im psyched for immortal empires. This tournament was awesome
Not gonna lie.. seeing WH2 tournies again after watching soo much WH3 is refreshing, Domination maybe more balanced but Land Battles is soo much more exciting.
I think it's the fact that land battles always has a chance of going down to the wire. Just a few extremely beat up units scrapping it out to the end. A true last stand feel. Domination mode always ends before you get to the really crazy scrappy moments, because the points force a conclusion to the match.
I agree
TWW2 multiplayer is the king. The tactical variety is truly amazing. Can't wait for 20+ factions to exist in the game. Let's do a few more of these tourneys before the IE drop. 😎
u gotta pay for the tww2 chat dlc tho
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy They mean that the in game MP chat was disabled by CA.
I am someone who often watches others play something and that motivates me to play because it looks fun (played DOW 2 again because of Turin). I don't know why but the domination gameplay does not motivate me to boot up Warhammer 3. Watching this today made me want to play Warhammer again.
I guess the biggest problem of domination is you cannot see the full battle plan of each player, which is hidden under the reinforcement. Thus hides the strength and weakness of all factions and make them look and fight the same. Watching dominion battle for me is similar to a boring mirror match where players throwing the same unit one at a time without any WOW moment. The pacing of the fight is often too long, unlike traditional land battle, which is much more quick and intense.
@@DoomLord1395 I agree Quang
@@DoomLord1395 domination looks haphazard with disconnected fights scattered across the map and units being ad hoc summoned and A-moved into the fights. Like you said the strategic layer, the build of reinforcement pool is concealed from the viewers and the maps are ugly and gamey. Adds up to an unexciting experience
@@Sleexb right on, and yeah the maps are structured like Warcraft or even LoL. that said, i was pleasantly surprised at the last domination tournament, where Puggington played so cleanly it looked like land battles, or even historical battles. maybe land battles w/ 1 or 2 objectives, to simplify rules, would be a good compromise.
Yea I agree, domination is ok and needs some different kind of micro which isn't easy at all to handle, but wh2 land battles are so much better
Didn't king of the dead take a pretty big tourney years back off of Felkon once? I vaguely remember his pre-meta V.C bomber build pulling it off vs Felkons lizardmen, while you sweated HARD into the microphone casting. Some high-water-mark stuff that was in the glory days of Wh2 tournaments.
But perhaps the best days of the RTS are yet to come. I have high hopes that total tavern will become what you envision it to be - the community needs a rallying place! Keep it up!
Incredibly cool battles! Lizardmen with a terrible saurus and Nakai were especially pleased. Thank you for this wonderful show)
Thank you Turin! So glad TWW2 is finally back, giving good entertainment in those hard times.
Turin realizing that the chat is gone from game 2 as well is just 🤣
I’m psyched for the Volkmar sub-faction, hopefully he gets some new goodies. I feel like Luther Huss is a must and a way to get different flaggelants would be sick
Your Empire campaign was amazing.
But I'm here to vote for the Belegar Comeback Campaign :P
Not only was HBYY memeing with ghoritch, he was also playing with gutter runners which aren't a unit he's comfortable / experienced using, he was playing a playstyle he wasn't used to on top of everything else. This is why HBYY is mah hero.
I missed the land battles!
The ferocity, the spectacle!
Such a great watch, war2 is so much more ascetically pleasing and easier to follow than war3, not to mention I find large unit size and lack of the unnecessary balance changes that came into game 3 very much refreshing and ideal.
Though I am missing the dmg value during the game.
Hope to see more of such events at a time I can partake in.
There are few things as enjoyable as seeing Evenstar's try-hard VC get torn to shreds by the monster gang.
bro i missed ur tww2 multi matches plz dont ever stop casting this
I loved the hadres skaven game, great to see stormvermin getting 100+ kills even after the burning heads, underrated unit imo.
I wanted Chosen One to get to the finals, just to hear you say "chosen one" over and over. If only there were a top level player named "Betty" as well.
Love the TWWH2 land battles. Been getting my main fix from Human Boy YesYes, and its nice to have the bigger community too.
That blood knights sandwich against the Skaven was perfection
Very good tournament, I never usually have time to watch the whole thing, but this one engrossed me.
Hadres really is the underdog, well done!
You laugh, but I’d love to see them just copy-paste the entire Shogun 2 roster into TWW3, give them a new banner and a paragraph of lore and call them Nippon.
I loved the Ghorst vs Halal match watching a 10-foot crocodile man punch a skinny nerd is always funny.
That main menu music is already so nostalgic.
Great to watch while waiting for IE.
I also like the visualization of the pick and ban phase. The pictures makes it way more interesting. (Its the little things)
I hope you make 1 of those tournament with all the pro players you used to have. But thank you for this TWH2 tournament
I much prefer domination to land battles, but seeing these factions again definitely has me sooo exited for IE.
Out of curiosity I wonder why prefer domination over land battles, domination while fun to play is slog to watch (3 minute wait till capture starts, piecemeal minor skirmishes, units dying less impactful)
@@chasingrainbows5288 I prefer to watch what I'd play personally. I can always learn something. Honestly I'd watch a voiceover of someone breaking down and analysing their choices and why they made them. Honestly I just love more strategy.
Take a drink every time you hear “for sure” and “shadow realm”. Enjoy
Domination is fun. But idk i really like the feel of land battles. It brings back so much nostalga and feels about warhammer fantasy. Very table top like. Reminds of me of the days of 8th edition bat reps. I dont think its just the races and I hope they dont go away.
Well done to all, that finale was awesome.
WH1 and WH2 being free would massively increase WH3's player base too, too bad it seems unlikely.
good to see the old factions once again. I will say I like the gameplay of domination more as a spectator
The fact that there are WH2 tournaments speaks volumes about the state of WH3.
Dread Saurian is going to be much stronger in game 3 where healing spells and abilities are percentage based rather than a flat value. Paired with a rev crystal, life slann, or even a oracle will make it an absolute pain to remove
so i got hifi bluetooth ear buds listening to this and dude takes a swig of the johnny walker black every 2nd sentence
This was a good show Turin, ty and keep it up!
Man this is good to see, looking forward to TWW3 becoming this interesting.
Dude, I cannot wait for a WH3 faction war!
Loved that final! Take those treeman as slaves!
Great stream man!
I love the added talk of miniature painting, and been wanting to paint my Demigryphs in the Royal Altdorf Gryphites scheme, but there are so few sources, been wondering what's your approach to it? any chance for a lead :D
just seeing the shredder of lustria just makes me need to play some lizardmen :)
For casual epic RTS -> get Supreme Commander FAF
I don't know why people don't know this game more :S
AoE is fun and all but it just doesn't compare to Supcom.
Miss these land battles , even though they require more rules it’s what makes it great. Domination is cool and all but really good competitive games needs a bunch of checks and balances like football vrs like watching rugby both are contact sports and fun to watch/ play but one is just wayyyyy more entertaining
Worst take ever
God I've missed these factions.
So happy to see another land battle tournament. Domination mode ruined the game.
The bugs and issues ruined the game. DOM just ruined ranked play.
@@jacksheldon8566 Definitely agree with you on ranked play. Not having a land battle option means basically no more PvP unless paying with friends.
I remember when beastmen were a meme faction, what changes made them more competitive?
Yay for land battles. Domination is ok but every game feels the same to me.
So much better to watch than TWW3 domination!!
Hadres really impresed me here.
You gotta destroy the hell cannon bro. dread nights almost never pay for themselves. Cold one knights way better value.
Very much missing the old intro.
Lol check out the Chieftan's RKO FROM OUT OF NOWHERE (Legit jumps 10m in the air) @1:07:20
I like the battles of TWW2 but it feels like you need at least 10 hours on each fraction to understand what units are capable of when using different magic sets or fighting certain armies.
I guess the "learning curve" is pretty high compared to most TW games due to sheer varieties
It says anti-large on the mounted chieftains (01:05:10) but they got no anti large bonus in weapon strength and melee attack… How does that work?
Have you done any recent trail runs you can recommend?
In which area?
No way this was a real WH2 tournament. There was only 1 GS pick and it didn't have Grom. Totally unrealistic.
Wheres felkon!!!! Is he draft dodging
@Turin What is the video where you played that tournament against the Chinese WH2 community? I’d like to see that Gyrocopter abuse! :D
Weren't there 13 bonerippers cause that's the great horned rats number. I swear I read that somewhere that Thanqual went through 13 different bonerippers through out his stories and if 13 was intentional then good stuff.
On the comeback mechanic, I don't think its inherently anti-competetive. Look at mobas, some of the most competitive games out there, those have lots of different comeback mechanics to ensure that games don't get locked out.
Then you also have factions like say Cathay, which simply don't get onto objectives fast, or factions like slaanesh which want to value trade and slowly whittle down the enemy with good surrounds, they would be disadvantaged by the scenario.
Crazy how I'm looking at the hud and I get the privilege of seeing other colors then red.
very fun match
So happy to see some true land battles... I'm sorry, but I hate domination mode. Until they remove comeback mechanics it's just flat out worse. Fuck come back mechanics.
Incidentally, Blightkings are just chunkier Chosen, so I doubt Nurgle will get them when they could get Nurgle Chosen instead.
Who has time stamps?
More WH2 please.
Domination isn't any fun to watch.
turn your mic down
Perhaps when IE comes out there could be some sort of separation between the pro players and joe public that work have families and don't have time to practice 24/7. Non pro's have very little chance of winning these tournaments or any prize that may be on offer. Nothing against the pro's they are great players and very entertaining but would be fun to see some less talented folk playing.
I hate to burst your bubble, but not only have CA been pretty adamant in interviews about not including End Times units, but if they did add Stormfiends, they'd need to create six separate units for them. Every Stormfiend must be one of six varieties, each having its own weapons and special rules, and not only is that a ton of work (it's more than what most DLC's add for a single faction, before we even get to Verminlords) it's going to be a pain to balance and would flood the already crowded Skaven roster.
All on all, if they added all the Skaven units you wanted, they would be adding 13 new units (Thanquol, 6 Verminlords, 6 Stormfiends) which is about as many as most factions receive at launch. Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but there's no way they're adding them in.
i think they made mutant rat ogres as a more fantasy version of stormfiends
but maybe they will change their minds in the future
@@hallo-mt5tx Mutant Rat Ogres existed as part of the Hell Pit army list from 6th edition. They are not a Stormfiend proxy.
@@lich109 their models and the way they are implemented makes at least melee stormfiends redundant, thats what i meant
@@hallo-mt5tx It doesn't, melee Stormfiends have much heavier armour (and likely different attacks/bonus vs). The Shock Gauntlets version will also likely give a small explosion on contact when they charge.
@@lich109 slightly better version with more armour is exactly what i would call redundant
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