Also like...I went from lamenting a Bret defeat (my favorite MP faction) to *cheering like a maniac* for that twenty second Lizardmen win (the first campaign I ever played). This felt fantastic, and I'd love to see more, Turin. I know you wouldn't be so dedicated to Domination if the scumminess of Land Battles hadn't made you feel like that tournament style was untenable, so thank you SO much for taking a risk and bringing back this play style for those of us who prefer Land.
Land Battle or not, faction wars is just such an entertaining tournament style. It lets us, as enthusiasts, cheer for factions we like even if we have no idea who the players are. And if we recognize the players, that's even better.
Yes Faction Wars!!! I know they are sometimes not quite as competetive as usually, but they are always by far the most entertaining. You can see some not meta gameply and very creative tactis. It is just a pleasure seeing high end players battelung unconventionall with your favourite factions
50:28 -- Match 1 1:10:16 -- Match 2 1:37:49 -- Match 3 2:01:57 -- Match 4 2:30:11 -- Match 5 2:42:17 -- Match 6 3:08:45 -- Match 7 3:33:12 -- Match 8 Enjoy your roast Warp Chicken. Its good for the brain.
That 14 HP Chad Taurox play was so amazing. Can't wait for Immortal Empire tournaments! I really hope we get both domination and land battle ones. Perhaps a tournament where it's a Bo3 but Round Two is always a land battle? For Bo5, rounds two and four are land battles?
I like domination fine but land battles is just cooler. I like the strategy behind the builds and the players trying to outthink each other. Seems like less of that in domination.
Its such a delight watchign Land Battles with the variety of full fat factions. Just don't get the tacitcal buy in from Dom at the moment. Fully agree I think removing the ability to re spawn dead units needs to disappear from DOM, it kills a lot of the fraught tactical implications and decision making
Faction wars are only surpassed my LL tourneys. Where we can see every lord trying their best. Its great. And you can usually see some rather interesting builds. Goddamn that first game. If it wasnt for the map edge terror routs Chaos would have gotten the epic comeback.
Psyched to see more WH2 land battles. I understand the appeal of Domination from a casting and perceived balance perspective but the army selection and waypoints make the battles all seem quite similar. Land battles are faster paced, more variable and show a wider array of tactics.
i love the artwork of the factions during the pick and ban. if you could clean the frame up of the pick and ban, making it more beautiful, this tournament would he perfect
I've been wondering if adding capture points would help. like, instead of 3 capture points lets do 5. keep the 3 in the middle but add one in each players deployment area. then that gives you something for ranged units to do, and encourages.more dynamic back field play with offensive cavalry and what not.
Very nice to get some good warhammer 2 content again!. Can’t wait for the immortal empires to finally come out so we can get that big faction wars . And 8 player COOP that can be amazing fun , I allready have a fun one we set out for me and my buddies were all going to play anything we want buuuuut it’s a race to take and hold the elf donut
Really looking forward to those faction ambush tournaments with dawi throngs against Slaanesh cohorts. The Book of Grudges would be filled to the brim that fateful day.
@Turin man i am sry to say that, but i am literally wiping peoples poopy butts clean in my job and wile i am doing that i have to dodge their fists since they are retired hells angels/veteran types of guys. If you do the tourney host thing for a living you can deal with winy little land battle players. I believe in you! Love your work. Landbattles are such a blast to watch. You are my hero!❤
Definitely will take a judo throw ten times out of ten rather than get kicked in the face. Will even go 11 out of ten times, you can take a bonus throw down.
Lizardmen: Kroxigor Greenskins: Trolls Skaven: Rat Ogres Vampire Counts: Crypt Horrors Vampire Coast: Mournghouls Tomb Kings: Sepulchral Stalkers Wood Elves: Treekin Beastmen: Yeah WoC: Chaos Trolls Norsca: Ayup There's no shortage of monstrous infantry type units; there's empire, high elves, dark elves and dwarves that does not have them in WH2, and of those, only the empire doesn't have either fast or sneaky infantry, either of which are good in domination. Perhaps give Empire something, but ... not sure they actually need it. Rotary cannon shot travels faster than even the fastest infantry.
They fare well against all faction except the ones who use melle rush and swarming as base tactic (for example : beastmens, greeenskins) high charge bonus and flanking can easily take away half hp and martial prowess/mastery from them and then collapse their defence lines. Their infantry is expensive even for other elves factions standards and it makes it easy to overwlwhelm them or break through with chariots, monsters and get to the vital archers line.
Because a good player is able to win one game with a rush against a build optimized to fight Kite. Play them in a competetive tournament then tell me again how "good" they are.
Ive been saying for soooooooooooooooooooooooooo long that you need to sort the dwarfs out and a simple way to do it for me would be to give great weapons anti large, and make the slayers hero characters like the thanes and engineers. You'd lose the "mobility" by removing slayers as a multi model unit, but you'd get more use out of rangers with their speed, again AL for GW units and i think that would make a huge difference to dwarf lines, the "holding" play-style they have and i feel more appropriate having slayer heros rather than rank and file units.
At those in the chat looking forward to starfield because sci fi rpg - look up Rogue Trader, the announced Warhammer 40k CRPG from Owlcat games. (Pathfinder: Kingmaker etc.). They're good at this sort of thing.
I see Malekith as more of a Dr. Doom. Terrifying fighter, master sorceror, supremely cunning... yet never seems to win over the heroes. Dr. Doom is so much cooler in the comics.
The words “Depth guard” and “dominate” put together isn’t something I’m used to hearing. Hope you’re right tho. They’re my favorite units which is probably why I didn’t win very much lol
A lot of VM players in general seem to play insanely sweaty, none of them ever really stray from playing the most meta stuff possible. Voidlolz is easily one of the top contenders for GOAT of Warhammer multiplayer (If I'm remembering right he swept ECL season 6 without losing a single match, that's pretty much the most impressive feat imaginable) but I still find him a lot less fun to watch than someone like Felkon, Enticity, or Xiphos whose personalities really shine through their gameplay. I think a lot of it is the clan's culture, but you can't really argue against it working. They're not always that fun to watch but they produce so many top-level players.
Ppl should be able to play what they like, i think its fine disliking someone’s style or the way they play but i dont agree with posting it as a comment in such a negative way that targets the player, a lot of the mentioned stuff is subjective.
@@N0ahface thats very subjective though, i dont find any benefit for posting such thing in a comment section, you could do with praising the players you like by saying you’d like to see them without need to shit on VM players.
@@lotusmoon8156 Evenstar is known for playing on (or over) the edge of rulebreaks. That's simply not good sportsmanship. And if VM doesn't want the "rulebreaker clan" reputation they should kick those guys out.
am I the 69th Comment? if so - I would like to use the Sacred Number to call on master Turin pls give us a Faction Wars 2v2 (only limited build variations between battles) 4v4 Faction Wars with subcommanders would be orgasmic
You have no idea how psyched I am to hear that you're thinking of another Warhammer 2 Faction War. Make it happen, oh cap'n my cap'n.
Also like...I went from lamenting a Bret defeat (my favorite MP faction) to *cheering like a maniac* for that twenty second Lizardmen win (the first campaign I ever played).
This felt fantastic, and I'd love to see more, Turin. I know you wouldn't be so dedicated to Domination if the scumminess of Land Battles hadn't made you feel like that tournament style was untenable, so thank you SO much for taking a risk and bringing back this play style for those of us who prefer Land.
I’ve missed Faction Wars so much. It’s my favorite tourney form
Land Battle or not, faction wars is just such an entertaining tournament style. It lets us, as enthusiasts, cheer for factions we like even if we have no idea who the players are. And if we recognize the players, that's even better.
Yes Faction Wars!!! I know they are sometimes not quite as competetive as usually, but they are always by far the most entertaining. You can see some not meta gameply and very creative tactis. It is just a pleasure seeing high end players battelung unconventionall with your favourite factions
50:28 -- Match 1
1:10:16 -- Match 2
1:37:49 -- Match 3
2:01:57 -- Match 4
2:30:11 -- Match 5
2:42:17 -- Match 6
3:08:45 -- Match 7
3:33:12 -- Match 8
Enjoy your roast Warp Chicken. Its good for the brain.
That 14 HP Chad Taurox play was so amazing. Can't wait for Immortal Empire tournaments! I really hope we get both domination and land battle ones. Perhaps a tournament where it's a Bo3 but Round Two is always a land battle? For Bo5, rounds two and four are land battles?
I really enjoyed the theory crafting at the beginning!!! You could do a whole video on this that would be awesome
Oh wow that brass bull with some brass balls, coming in with 14 hp, getting the kill and walking away with 1 hp!! That was so hype.
time stamp?
@@sonarbuge7958 @1:47:19
Battles start 50:28.
I like domination fine but land battles is just cooler. I like the strategy behind the builds and the players trying to outthink each other. Seems like less of that in domination.
It’s just because the strategies haven’t developed, give it time
Domination will become more complex than land battles imo
Its such a delight watchign Land Battles with the variety of full fat factions. Just don't get the tacitcal buy in from Dom at the moment. Fully agree I think removing the ability to re spawn dead units needs to disappear from DOM, it kills a lot of the fraught tactical implications and decision making
Faction wars are only surpassed my LL tourneys. Where we can see every lord trying their best. Its great. And you can usually see some rather interesting builds.
Goddamn that first game. If it wasnt for the map edge terror routs Chaos would have gotten the epic comeback.
Psyched to see more WH2 land battles. I understand the appeal of Domination from a casting and perceived balance perspective but the army selection and waypoints make the battles all seem quite similar. Land battles are faster paced, more variable and show a wider array of tactics.
That vampire counts vs beastmen game ending was insane. It’s nice to see the beastmen post DLC being incredibly competitive.
congrats man my algo fed me this on my autoplay while i was asleep!
i love the artwork of the factions during the pick and ban. if you could clean the frame up of the pick and ban, making it more beautiful, this tournament would he perfect
I sadly can seldom see the streams live from europe, but god damn I love watching these tournaments, even when they are not live.
I've been wondering if adding capture points would help. like, instead of 3 capture points lets do 5. keep the 3 in the middle but add one in each players deployment area.
then that gives you something for ranged units to do, and encourages.more dynamic back field play with offensive cavalry and what not.
I've never seen the leader of one of the armies annihililated so quickly. More that the entire army surrenders when it happens. XD
Game: "Peasants are the weakest unit in the game"
Peasant: *Takes off a chaos dwarf's head WITH A PITCHFORK*
fairly sure Zombies are weaker.
Very nice to get some good warhammer 2 content again!. Can’t wait for the immortal empires to finally come out so we can get that big faction wars .
And 8 player COOP that can be amazing fun , I allready have a fun one we set out for me and my buddies were all going to play anything we want buuuuut it’s a race to take and hold the elf donut
Turin thanks for bringing thetrolltrader to my attention, I straight up bought $2000 worth of models for $300.
Missed the epic matches and glad to have them back.
Really looking forward to those faction ambush tournaments with dawi throngs against Slaanesh cohorts. The Book of Grudges would be filled to the brim that fateful day.
Game... Blouses. LOL. Dude! One of my favorite Chappelle's Show episodes.
Same!
I would love to see a comeback of the time stamps :)
Still big fan - keep on commenting!
Dark elves will be a surprising good domination faction. just because of the ability to punish the blob. Good infantry
@Turin man i am sry to say that, but i am literally wiping peoples poopy butts clean in my job and wile i am doing that i have to dodge their fists since they are retired hells angels/veteran types of guys.
If you do the tourney host thing for a living you can deal with winy little land battle players.
I believe in you! Love your work.
Landbattles are such a blast to watch.
You are my hero!❤
Absolutely faction war !!!!!!!!!!
Definitely will take a judo throw ten times out of ten rather than get kicked in the face. Will even go 11 out of ten times, you can take a bonus throw down.
Lizardmen: Kroxigor
Greenskins: Trolls
Skaven: Rat Ogres
Vampire Counts: Crypt Horrors
Vampire Coast: Mournghouls
Tomb Kings: Sepulchral Stalkers
Wood Elves: Treekin
Beastmen: Yeah
WoC: Chaos Trolls
Norsca: Ayup
There's no shortage of monstrous infantry type units; there's empire, high elves, dark elves and dwarves that does not have them in WH2, and of those, only the empire doesn't have either fast or sneaky infantry, either of which are good in domination. Perhaps give Empire something, but ... not sure they actually need it. Rotary cannon shot travels faster than even the fastest infantry.
Well they do have stirlands revenge, but I see what you mean.
Thank you! More TTW2 for God of TTW2!
What's TTW2?
@@TwistedAlphonso1 total war warhammer 2 I get used to type ttw) nwm
My pile of shame is like 300 minis (2 sets of new horus heresy, nearly full 1.5k necron and ultramarines army and some random orcs) :D
literally just spamming all these videos waiting for IE in the third :') always great work Turin thank you for everything you do :)
I wish it would come sooner as well!
Taurox the chad bull 14 hp comes back in and just wacks a necromancer out of existence
I feel like high elves aren't quite the meme they're made out to be
they arent when you use cheesy builds I think
I always end up rushing with them with a goon squad and some white lions of chrace and I do pretty well
They fare well against all faction except the ones who use melle rush and swarming as base tactic (for example : beastmens, greeenskins) high charge bonus and flanking can easily take away half hp and martial prowess/mastery from them and then collapse their defence lines. Their infantry is expensive even for other elves factions standards and it makes it easy to overwlwhelm them or break through with chariots, monsters and get to the vital archers line.
Certainly not lol
Because a good player is able to win one game with a rush against a build optimized to fight Kite. Play them in a competetive tournament then tell me again how "good" they are.
WTW 2. yeah baby!
Ive been saying for soooooooooooooooooooooooooo long that you need to sort the dwarfs out and a simple way to do it for me would be to give great weapons anti large, and make the slayers hero characters like the thanes and engineers. You'd lose the "mobility" by removing slayers as a multi model unit, but you'd get more use out of rangers with their speed, again AL for GW units and i think that would make a huge difference to dwarf lines, the "holding" play-style they have and i feel more appropriate having slayer heros rather than rank and file units.
At those in the chat looking forward to starfield because sci fi rpg - look up Rogue Trader, the announced Warhammer 40k CRPG from Owlcat games. (Pathfinder: Kingmaker etc.). They're good at this sort of thing.
Pistachios with tons of pepper... do you shop at winco?
I see Malekith as more of a Dr. Doom. Terrifying fighter, master sorceror, supremely cunning... yet never seems to win over the heroes.
Dr. Doom is so much cooler in the comics.
The words “Depth guard” and “dominate” put together isn’t something I’m used to hearing. Hope you’re right tho. They’re my favorite units which is probably why I didn’t win very much lol
I’m so ready for matchups between game 3 and 1,2 factions. My empire needs some DLC love. Gimme a Middenheim cult of Ulric DLC.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
lol "The Clever Girls"
dwarves need a flak cannon
Classic Evenstar, I'll just pick between the two best factions in the game, such an unfun player to watch
A lot of VM players in general seem to play insanely sweaty, none of them ever really stray from playing the most meta stuff possible. Voidlolz is easily one of the top contenders for GOAT of Warhammer multiplayer (If I'm remembering right he swept ECL season 6 without losing a single match, that's pretty much the most impressive feat imaginable) but I still find him a lot less fun to watch than someone like Felkon, Enticity, or Xiphos whose personalities really shine through their gameplay.
I think a lot of it is the clan's culture, but you can't really argue against it working. They're not always that fun to watch but they produce so many top-level players.
Ppl should be able to play what they like, i think its fine disliking someone’s style or the way they play but i dont agree with posting it as a comment in such a negative way that targets the player, a lot of the mentioned stuff is subjective.
@@N0ahface thats very subjective though, i dont find any benefit for posting such thing in a comment section, you could do with praising the players you like by saying you’d like to see them without need to shit on VM players.
@@lotusmoon8156 Evenstar is known for playing on (or over) the edge of rulebreaks. That's simply not good sportsmanship. And if VM doesn't want the "rulebreaker clan" reputation they should kick those guys out.
@@N0ahface GOAT has to be Felkon right? He was so dominant over such a long period of time.
I hate WH3 UI watching this game is more fun. Please make more WH2 content.
I think sword masters could be a good sneaky unit no one would expect. They are the best infantry in tww 2
am I the 69th Comment? if so - I would like to use the Sacred Number to call on master Turin
pls give us a Faction Wars 2v2 (only limited build variations between battles)
4v4 Faction Wars with subcommanders would be orgasmic
Is it just me or no Live Chat replay?
It doesn't load right away when the VOD is first posted. It'll be back later.
#mouth breathers unite! should form a beard slobber bros?
we run you peasants.
im the only one tjat just woke up?
lol imagine.... warhammer 2 is just loads of different battles happening at once. This isnt total war
this game is almost impossible to play if youre trippin ballz
First comment to mock the "first" commenters
Why won't YT let me download this? Tut
First