i saw the documentary and having been born a catholic but not a practicing one but i still believed in jesus but when i saw the documentary it completely opened my eyes and showed me what a con game the church has been playing on us. the documentary is full of honest common sense
Jesus has a credibility problem Shaun, but don't give up on God. He may be a scientist who's giving everyone ears and a voice through channels like this one. A God of the Enlightenment. Cheers, PR.
I would urge you to read wide. There are many documentaries that would refute this. Try looking at documentaries that explore life in Judea in the first century. Can I also suggest a good book by J. Warner Wallace called Person Of Interest. The book looks at external evidence from history to make a case for Jesus' existence and the subsequent Christianity movement.
@@funkdoctorsportWould ya be inclined, to suggest, those Documentaries to me please? I'VE already tried (partly) Ceasar's mesiah, and I am eager to learn more on this matter -Mainly the fabrication of JC, by the flavians. But I am looking out more, on a general perspective from an atheistic pov, and less, on the histotrical aspect (if possible) I'll wait eagerly for any suggestion ya might have here
@@funkdoctorsport and don't forget that this guy you talk about is just a Christian, indoctrinated, brain washed from infancy. Why don't you give serious thoughts about the heroes of previous epics, Zeus, Appolo etc etc because you were not indoctrinated about them and there are no humans left to talk in favour of them. About the NT : " IT ISN'T TRUE, IT ISN'T HISTORY, IT IS ALL ASTOUNDING RUBBISH FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT " - Ken Humphryes.
I think it would also be of interest to people that the virgin birth, death and resurrection story has been told at least 15 times before the "Jesus story" supposedly happened. The term "son of God" has been used countless times before. The deluge story was originally found on a clay tablet from Sumerian times ...check out Enuma Elish.
While it is true that some ancient texts contain elements that may appear similar to certain aspects of the Christian narrative, it is important to approach these claims with caution. Placing undue emphasis on perceived parallels can be misleading and does not necessarily diminish the unique message and significance of the Christian faith. The virgin birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, as understood by Christians, hold distinctive theological and historical significance within the scope of salvation history. Moreover, the use of terms like "son of God" and the presence of flood narratives in other cultures does not invalidate the Christian claims, as their interpretation and theological context may differ significantly. It is crucial to explore these matters comprehensively, considering historical, cultural, and theological elements, rather than making hasty judgments based solely on surface-level similarities.
Vespasian was likely Paul in the New Testament since it says in Titus 1:4 that Titus was one of the younger men whom Paul discipled and described as his 'son in the faith that we share'. Paul's character was taken from Saul from the Old Testament.
With so much war, strife, and power struggles at that time it's not hard to understand the planned convenience of a "savior messiah" (jesus christ) that would suddenly appear to bring peace and order to the land while promising you salvation and eternal life. It is in fact one hell of a well-orchestrated power play that helps quell more violence and war. The Romans were not stupid and were well educated, calculated thinkers.
Wow That is deep. Unrelated. Not connected. Kind of random in the context. But none the less, deep. Yep. Some deep, brown, goo, stinky, floating in a septic tank stuff. So deep...... "we don't need your thought control! Hey teacher... Leave those kids alone...."
So essentially Christianity was a counter-revolutionary movement invented by the Romans to marginalize the more political Jewish Messianic movement. The idea of the Romans inventing it and using hired scribes to write the NT books makes a lot of sense especially when noting the mistakes of reference to the OT found in the NT books that Jewish scribes would never have made.
@@razonybecause this is all false information, there are literally historical writings mentioning jesus and christians decades before the flavians, the fact anyones buying this theory is proving to the world they dont do background research
The stories of Jesus was allegory for the movement of the sun and the 12 signs of the zodiac. Every religion is man made. There’s no way that the Intelligence that made the earth, the sun, moon, stars and nature created religions with all of its fairy tales.
Precisely why areas of study like astrology and zodiac alchemy have been mocked and set aside. Can't have people know the truth and how to heal, can we?
The reason for people to rebel against governments, religion or whatever is because they’re being treated unfairly and demand justice out of necessity! You want to rule forever and 3days? BRING TRUTH AND JUSTICE TO THE PEOPLE! Why is this so impossible to achieve? When you’re evil, secretive and corrupt there is no way to control anything? It breeds chaos. Show a little love, compassion and respect and people go out of their way for you.
gaminfuwl you are a fool. As Napoleon said “Vanity motivated the revolutionaries, liberty was just a pretext.” So, who is going to bring the truth and justice? To do that, they need power,and power always corrupts.
And the hero of all four stories was the most pacifist extremist in all of Roman Judea, with a message that was completely antithetical to Roman as well as Jewish assumptions -- yeah, that's the ticket!.
Incorrect. There is a reason there are only four canonized Gospels. Those are the ones created by the Flavians who masterminded the entire work of literature. The sequence in the already well known typology that Joseph Atwill discovered proves the typology was put together to mirror the story of Titus in the Wars of the Jews by Josephus. The literature is where the science is done in this case and the science of literary analysis shows that the typology being evident points to the fact Titus Flavian is the only person in history who can be the Son of Man that Iesous predicts will come and destroy the Temple.
Hmm Why didn't the christian culture in which I was raised, that arrogantly prided themselves as "having" the truth, ever explore this obvious artifice?
@@65FullMoon83 No he didn´t. He said (according to the bible) he didn´t want to change one letter (iota) of the Torah. In Mark, when a phoenician woman asks for his help, he compares her with a dog who doesn´t deserve help before "the children has eaten", which means his fellow jews. Paul, who never met JC irl, invented this whole believe-and-you-shall-be-saved idea and that it was applicable even to gentiles.
In the book, I am currently reading The Dream of Rome the author points out the similarities between Octavian Augustus and Jesus Christ. The Roman's invented Jesus Christ no matter what way you look at it and they deified him at Nicea in 324AD
Lol that the Roman Empire is Antichrist. And instead of reading books why don't you try and exercise your human spirit by calling on the name of Jesus, for Jesus is real. He is the Holy Spirit. That the Roman Empire is the work of Satan using people to make people believe that Jesus is not real. When Jesus is actually real. For God through His wisdom knew Satan before hand would decieve people into believing that His only begotten Son Jesus Christ who is God was not real. So in His wisdom God through incarnation came in the Son to live a human life, was crucified and resurrected to become the all-incluvise life-giving Spirit to enter into us His believers. That we have the testimony living and abiding in our human spirit who is the Holy Spirit. That Jesus is real and true and is living in us the believers. That Satan is the liar the father's of liars who is misleading people into believing that our Lord and Saviour is not real. When Jesus is real as we are seal with the Holy Spirit who is Jesus who is God. This is a fact.
@@mereannaranui1205 You do know that there is no letter J in the Hebrew alphabet. So no Jew called Jesus has ever existed. You have been deceived by the Roman Antichrist Church as have all of Christendom.
Lol you can say all you want. Because at the end of the day Jesus is real because we have the testimony of Jesus in us as the Holy Spirit who is God. That the Roman Empire a the Antichrist. They won't tell you that is where Satan will rise up is in the Roman Empire and he will decieve the nations into believing that He is God. That why we already have the One and Only Lord and aviour already in us who is Jesus who was crucified by the Jews and the Roman Empire over 2000 years. That the Holy Spirit is Jesus who is God.
I am not about to read through all comments, so perhaps this has been covered by others. The Mithras following of the officer group of the Roman military provided a model for a rising and dying God. The Flavia s, also coming from such sub-culture had a ready model upon which to build political religious legitimacy to stabilize and institutionalize their power. What better basis than a religious practice that would appeal to everyman. Then later, the story of the arrival of Saul as Paul, I self declared Roman citizen (he seems to relate less to Judaism) in Jerusalem and aparrent rejection by the decidedly Jewish followers of the messianic Jesus character. Paul spins the encounter and the rejection as being sent out with "his gospel" to the non-Jewish world. A perfect backstory to legitimize the power of Roman military. It is interesting to note that hidden places of worship for Mithras have been found buried deep in London, England. Thus gives support to its wide impact on the Roman military elite.
Their power was already stabilized and institutionalized, by force, wherever they went. They didn't need to "fabricate" a religious practice, as the Romans already had a complex set of dieties and mythologies regarding them and their roles. Why would you think the Romans would have a need to "legitimize the power of the Roman military", when they already believed the Gods were backing them? Your post is as addled as the crackpot theory by this (I'm sorry to say) troubled individual.....
There are a lot of similarities: 1 is that when Flavians became elevated citizen, they were given the title Homo Novo; or the New Man, oddly enough. Some of those Flavian letters read like and epistle, again oddly similar in context. .
The Romans had a talent for mixing and matching and conflating religious elements. Lots of religions did this. Judaism seems to use elements of old Canaanite religions, Zoroastrianism, and the Yazidi religion. I always found it suspicious that the religion of a radical foreign anti-Roman group(s) caught on as the next popular thing in a xenophobic society like Rome and in Greek of all languages, even though half the empire spoke that, it was still not Latin. That would be like Isis Islam becoming popular throughout half of America and spread in Spanish among non-Hispanics. Something fishy was happening.
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 We respectfully disagree with your point of view. We understand that you are very delusional because you have been brain washed in your early years. And by the way, Santa Claus is also a fictional character.
Please, by all means, explain to me how the romans invented the God prophesied about in Jewish literature hundreds of years before the romans existed. The God that has literally helped me through hundreds of situations.
Atwill claims that Christianity didn’t exist before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. But even the Roman historian Tacitus places Christian persecution under Emperor Nero in AD 64-well before the destruction of Jerusalem. Tacitus even calls the Christian movement an “immense multitude.” He writes, Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome… Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination when daylight had expired. [3] If Christianity was a Roman conspiracy, then why would Tacitus-a Roman historian-claim that Christianity existed in AD 64? And, more importantly, why would the Roman emperor Nero persecute Christians in this way, if Rome was actually trying to support Christianity? Tacitus isn’t the only Roman to mention Christianity. In AD 110, the Roman governor Pliny writes to the Roman Emperor Trajan about the Christian movement in Bithynia. Here Trajan tells Pliny that Christians should be killed, unless they abandon their faith. Trajan writes, If indeed [Christians] should be brought before you, and the crime is proved, they must be punished; with the restriction, however, that where the party denies he is a Christian, and shall make it evident that he is not, by invoking our gods, let him (notwithstanding any former suspicion) be pardoned upon his repentance.[4] From this excerpt, it is very clear that Trajan was trying to stop Christianity-not support it. Why would the Romans invent a religion that they would later persecute like this? Moreover, if Rome invented Christianity, then why execute Peter and Paul?[5] Instead of crucifying these two central leaders of the early Christian movement, they should have had them on their payroll. Finally, the Romans weren’t the only ones to mention Jesus (see Part Four of Evidence Unseen). Other Greek and Jewish sources also mention Jesus of Nazareth. Were these hostile sources also part of this “Roman conspiracy”? REASON #3: Worldview criticism The NT affirms that Jesus has “all authority on heaven and Earth” (Mt. 28:18), and he is called the “king of kings and lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16). This is why, in the book of Acts, the disciples twice disobey the government in order to obey Christ (Acts 4:19; 5:29). Why would the Romans invent a messiah that would take away their authority, rather than garner it?
@@joshcovington5604 Shortly, we don’t know where Tacitus got his info from. There’s a real chance that he got it from the Acta Senatus, which was restored (and possibly altered) by Vespasian. He was also employed by the Flavians, so he could be considered Flavian propaganda. To your point of why Romans would persecute Christians if they had invented it earlier: the same objection could be made the opposite way. Why did Rome adopt Christianity later if they didn’t invent it?
I like the idea that 1) Jesus spoke so often in paradoxes because he was speaking from a universal point of view, not the point of view of an individual; 2) and that when he spoke of dying to this life, he was talking about living in the moment, without worrying about the past and future. So, the kingdom of god is now, not later after our physical bodies die. Of course, he was also preaching the ethical ramifications of his philosophical teaching. An interpretation like this reminds me of the "cosmic Christ" idea that Father Rohr has written about. It might also make sense of such statements as "before Abraham, I was." In other words, time isn't relevant to someone living in the new way. Does this explain the miracles or the resurrection? Not as far as I can see.
John Stewart “before Abraham I was”, just refers to the fact the Jesus already existed in heaven. I don’t know how Christians manage to connect that to ‘I am God’... no where in the Bible does Jesus say clearly ‘I am God’. Jesus was just a prophet, and a great one indeed. He will be sent to return back to earth during the last days, as foretold.
@@ZiFrenZie You are right there. I just meant that heaven wasn't necessary if you read that line with the idea that Jesus was speaking in a particular way.
Hi John. Jesus spoke in parables and paradoxes because he didn't want to be understood by all his listeners. He said so! (Matt13:13); (Mk 4:10-12). Isaiah did the same thing. To go off into flights of imagination just confuses the issue. Cheers, P.R.
Guys, Jesus did not exist, none of what you're discussing happened. None of it.
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When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes. They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Who was known as… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology. Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology? Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic? Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction. “What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.” Pope Leo X 💙
Thanks for sharing. Hermes Trismegistus was also the god of the Alchemist and was the so called creator of the Emerald Tablet. He will sometimes manifest in the chaos. If you can turn that chaos to cosmos. Serapis is another good example of a Greek and Egyptian hybridization. Keep on keeping on.
We are familiar with empires taken over by military forces they called upon for help, and here it was a religious force that took over. Fascinating point!
@@chrisgriffiths2533 the literature is myth. the story is myth. the archaeology is real. In his new book Creating Christ How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity James Valiant shows the proof that the Flavians were the inventors of christianity.
@@chrisgriffiths2533 Do you know what propaganda is? Augustus has the Aeneid....Vespasian has War of the Jews......Titus has the Gospels....Domitian has the Book of Revelation....Mohammad has the Koran...... Joseph Smith has the book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price........Next. Those two illustrious men are most welcome for their contributions to battle credulity and promote the scientific method to reason.
@@cameradanblack Dan, Any Quality Scientific Reasoning would Never Stop Religous Reasoning. Dan, If You can't See, Read, Hear the Gaps in the Reasoning of Dawkins and Darwin then you have Not Thought Enough about Their Work. As For Propaganda, Propaganda can Not be Truely Understood unless You Also have a Sound Knowledge of INTENT, PLAGIARISM, SLAVERY, CAPABILITY etc. Capability Alone Explains the Dilemmas of Recorded History 1,2,3,5,10, 100 Thousand Years Ago. Thanks for the Advice on Augustus, Titus, Vespian, Mohamed etc. I am Humbled by the Plight of Humans of the Distant Past.
@paulcombs-bomuse6172 And that is what Trumpty Dumpty's bozos are trying to destroy, along with the middle class...Unfortunately, the "Sleeping Giant" doesn't realize what is REALLY happening...We are in the most dangerous time since the Civil War...
Very interesting analysis of the situation the Romans were facing. It puts Caesar's Messiah in context and further promotes the idea that the Flavians created Christianity.
I believe that what concerns our lives is evident in the environment in nature and in nurture through age old teachings and yes I agree that control of the minds and lands of people is a great motivation for religion
Each of the Gospels was based on another book. The Gospel of Matthew was modeled on the Torah. Gospel of Matthew is divided into 5 books just like the books of the Torah. It starts with an account like that of Genesis, moves on to an account like that of Exodus and another like Numbers , then the bulk of the Gospel is like the Book of Deuteronomy, and it concludes with a piece that is like Leviticus. So it is like the Torah except the order of the books is different. The entire central part of Gospel of Matthew is taken up by a parody of Deuteronomy, which is known as Sefer Devarim from its initial phrase ‘these are the Words’. This is similar to Matthew’s initial phrase in chapter 4 v.17 ‘from that time forth Jesus began to say these Words’. Like the five speeches by Moses in Deuteronomy, it is organized around a series of five great teachings given on a mountain, each of which concludes with a very formal rhetorical ending. In Leviticus the different chapters move in succession around the walls of the courtyard of the Tabernacle before approaching the Ark, and there are two episodes of blasphemy-one the sons of Aaron in front of the door, and the other the account of the blasphemer in front of the curtain in chapter 24. Well the last part of Matthew moves around the Temple in exactly the same way and Jesus is twice accused of blasphemy at the equivalent places in front of the entrance ways. This is absolute definite proof that the entire account in the gospel is a literary anti Semitic joke.
@@ata5855 Christianity has nothing to do with TORAH period. Christianity is a made up religion by the Council of Nice 325 AD. TORAH COMES FROM THE REAL AMERICAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND NOT FROM THE LINEAGE OF Asian and Siberian mongrels neither from the GENETIC LEPERS FROM 2ND KINGS CH 5 : 27, BUT READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER FOR CONTEXT. They lied to everybody, and now we know that Egypt is the grand canyon, the Mississippi river is the Euphrates river because in TORAH Isaiah 11:15 say the REAL Euphrates river has 7 heads/tributaries, and the MOCK EUPHRATES RIVER OVER THEIR ONLY HAS 4 plus NUMBERS 12 SAYS THAT, THAT COLOR SKIN WAS NEVER PERMITTED TO ENCAMP THE REAL CHILDREN OF YISRAEL NEVER, AND THAT LET'S US KNOW THE SO CALLED jews could never be chosen by THE GREAT SPIRIT because of the curses THE GREAT SPIRIT put on Gehazi, AND NAMAAN turning them LEPROUS WHITE THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS FOREVER, and don't forget WHAT Aaron said about MIRIAM when she was turned LEPROUS WHITE and Aaron said she looked like ONE OF THE DEAD WITH THAT WHITE COLOR SKIN. TORAH IS A TRUE STORY ABOUT A ONCE GREAT PEOPLE THAT FELL, AND NOT THE WORLD, AND THAT'S JUST THE PROBLEM WITH THE WORLD THINKING THAT THIS STORY IS ABOUT THEM WHEN ITS NOT , BUT A PEOPLE GREATER THAN ANY ON THIS PLANE OF EXISTENCE, AND UNLIKE THE OTHER BOOK OF LIES THE NEW MENTATEST AND THAT'S testament backwards in which it includes everybody, and that's just not the case with TORAH understand that. Read the book of Obadiah, and see why THE THE MOST HIGH IS HATED BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HIS REAL PEOPLE FROM DEUTERONOMY 28 WHOLE CHAPTER FOR CONTEXT , AND NOT THOSE GENETIC LEPROUS ASIAN AND SIBERIAN MONGRELS DJINNTILES CLAIMING TO BE INDIGENOUS TO TURTLE ISLAND. PS ALEXANDER THE GREAT CAME HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS CAME, AND CONQUERED Yerusalem AND STOLE THE TORAH FROM THE REAL HEBREWS THE SO CALLED NEGROS/NEGE/NIIGI, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY. DEFINITION OF HAM : HAM is the progenitor meaning the father of the Egyptians, Libyans and the Canaanites, but not the negros, so we are not African at all you've been lied to. African derives from Afrikaan which is a Language brought to that continent by the Dutch settlers, and not a land mass as we where told , nor a PEOPLE for that matter , and you've been lied to again.
Your thesis ties in well with the premise of “Operation Messiah: St Paul, Roman Intelligence and the Birth of Christianity” by Thijs Voskuilen and Rose Mary Sheldon
I assume that to be a book? The originator of the video post does not claim original thought. The best any historian can do is present historic evidence in such way as to support his or her conclusions.
Thank you, I just ordered this book. My own pet theory is that Josephus was the pen name for Tiberius Julius Alexander (Jr.), and it was he who wrote the first gospel stories.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Part of Joe Atwill's theory is that Josephus was part of a three person team revealed in Jospehus work as the authors of christianity. He says unlocking a word puzzle allows you to see it was Tiberius Alexander Josephus and Bernice. Some say the book of Luke sounds like it was written by a female so Bernice may have written it. Jospehus would have written Matthew - its like the Torah and his family name is Matthew....and Mark was written by Alexander as that was his famous brother's name plus He was a Roman Soldier and most scholars agree this Gospel was written for Romans. I doubt we will ever know for sure.
Anyone who gets their ancient history from the bible and only the bible has no argument. There is plenty of extra-biblical history but in all things ancient it's a detective story. You have to have some understanding of the geopolitical situation of the greater region and an understanding of the many cultures and their histories. You also need some linguistic skill not only to translate ancient text but to understand cultural meaning so you can spot what is original and what isn't. You also have to understand that stories were passed on through generations each one adding its own interpretation. Whether these stories had any factual base is irrelevant if people at the time generally accept them as so and add them to their culture, reinterpreting them and changing characters so as to me understood and accepted by later audiences. All this is a problem for modern victims of apologists who want to accept the bible verbatim and who not only have no interested in investigating its authenticity but who are also actively discouraged from doing so. That is why they can only resort to abuse over reason
And you get your ancient history from people who make up theories. You have no argument. The Jewish never denied the existence of Jesus, but rather affirms his existence and only claimed he was not the Messiah. . Typical conolizer, it is an insult to the Jewish history. If Jesus did not exist, the Jews would have been the first to say it not you.
Lol The New Testament is against Rome and calls it the whore of Babylon.. Get a clue. The poster of this comment is really CLUELESS. Easily brainwashed by this joke of a video as well.
frustratingly true. without exception every time i've had a debate with a christian, no matter how diplomatic i've been they quickly resort to an aggressive tone followed by unfounded insults, assumptions and shallow arguments
@@tnaijaboxing8334 Rabbinic Judaism was a also a Roman invention as well as the Jesus myth. As the man states in the film. As always Rome controls both narratives, both good and evil. Great trick. The whole plot to Increase Romes real estate holdings by promising the Jews their land back in the future if they helped Rome now. This is happening. Today they are called Zionists. bible believing, bible thumping murderous killers for Israel. Romes plan s working. after 2,000 years. After taking over all European countries, wiping out other religions, and all North and South America, they want Israel to give them access to the East and West and North and south trade routes. Controlling all trade on land and sea and air.
if Jesus and Christianity were created by the Roman emperor what about Pliny the Younger letter to the emperor during the 1st Century AD. asking the Roman emperor for instructions for dealing with Christians.
@Die Cast Racing with Von and yet your wrong christ = cristos, meaning annointed one. Same as the name mashiach also meaning anointed on, the word is allegory you dope, christ was 33 years old when ressurected there are 33 vertabrea, the word stauros for cross is actually upright pole the spine, the annointment it talks about is the same as the chemicals that come from the pineal gland, the same as what the egyptians were pointing towards. Jesus is 16th century format, yet the name yahowsha the actual name means yah is salvation, and how does he bring it through the light of the world, the pineal gland. Nathaniel was seen by christos under the fig tree or as indians call it the bohdi tree, seeking wisdom. If you seek actual knowledge you will find it, yes it is corrupted what else do you thing government is going to do but there was a real man who came and taught theway, to the haShamayin, what we call heavens is the place of light the higher realm. Sarai and abram come together and have 12 tribes the tribes of yudah = bring the name together the sarabram or cerebrum its a play on words 12 vagus nerves in the cerebrum. Cain kills his brother abel. Cain is the lower self, abel is the higher self, cain kills his higher self and in turn is wondering in the land of nod = he is fecking asleep. 7 is the holy number on the 7th day of the 7th month you come to know god. 7×7 = 49 the exact amount of days it takes before an enbryo develops a pineal gland. Jaakov arestles with god and sees his face, he calls the place piniel because he saw the face of god. God is the word, the universe is written code, your dna is written code, it has mathematical principles guess what so did the damn hebrew language with each constant representing a number called the gematria. The word is a pathway to know the maker of course man jas corrupted it for his own selfish needs and by corrupting it made it really hard to find truths. Because they dont want you to wake up, all the romans did was twist it and spread the corrupt twisted version for dominion over man
Very interesting. I am surprised, though, to see a glaring, prominent spelling error on the introductory shot of a video purporting to have academic authority ... !
People still lack critical thinking skills and don't read their bible. I was wondering where I should put it on my bookshelf. Matthew 27 made that a pretty easy decision. Jesus cries out, big earthquake, sky turns black, undead saints crawl out of their graves and hit the streets of Jerusalem and do the monster mash. I just stashed it between my Lovecraft and King collection.
Exactly. Research the sun's cycle and parallel it to the stories of the bible and they line up perfectly. The sun suffers(sets) and rises. Just wrap this phenomena in an onion of allegory and there you have it. Holy Light Book(Helios Biblos)
How's this: At 1213 King John made a concession to pope (inc). This involved John giving pope (inc) England and Ireland as well his heirs ... who just happen to be ALL U. S. Presidents! At 1213 the common law of the Heptarchy of England yielded to the code of Cana'an law of the Vatican.
@@MikeGreenwood51 Well, it was good enough for pope (inc) and the Hittites of Vatican to have John sign the 1213 Concession to pope (inc) as well the fraud of Magma Carta ... I don't suppose you are able to connect the dots ....
@@Psychiatrick You are 100% I can not connect your crazy dots. Did you factor in the fact that King John was not English or popular with the English or that The Normans moved on and left England? If you can not join other people's historical dots or factor in the real truth then how are earth are others to be able to connect your crazy dots. It's not a board game played on a cardboard cutout where outsiders can just start giving away other people's lands or properties which they have not the entitlements too. The title of King of England changed hands along with titular ownership of lands. You could call it abrogations. But post abrogation, land titles may be worth no more than the value of the old paper they were written on.
@@MikeGreenwood51 WTF you talking about! I DIDN"T say the 1213 "deal" was legit BUT YOU have yet to OPPOSE IT! Its a shell game LIKE the presidential elections!!! Pure Bull Shi'ite! Insofar as "connecting dots" is concerned have your mother look up: "King John's Concession to pope 1213) ... it is ONLY 1 page and she should have no problem explaining this to you. Next, you can aks her to read to you the passage from King John by Shakespeare wherein he speaks of the SAME as you call: "lies" as I do! LOL! A child knowing history!!!! Tell mama how bright you are child!!! Not a board game? YOU CRAZY? It most CERTAINLY is and "they" use real people to destroy each other with! You ARE brain dead! The King of England changed hands many times BUT POPE INC STILL OWNS IT YOU F'ING MORON!!! Why is it then ALL presidents are blood related to King John? Owe ... cuz we are all related to King John through Adam! LOLOLOL ... f'ing moron! You haven't the slightest clue what is going on ... 10 years ago your mother was TOLD VAtican has been appointing ALL presidents since Wurshington ... WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER DO??? She VOTED .... 2012 and 2016 NOW she struck out 2020 ... 3 strikes you're out! What does "voting" entail? Suffrage Franchise SOCIAL CONTRACT! Through the vote, We the People aka "Government" attorns worthless things like you into We the PERSONS ... guess who is liable for what YOUR "presidents" do? YOU ARE MORON! YOU are responsible for international murder aka war ... YOU are responsible for the debt ... We the People MERELY reflect the Will of the PERSONS saddling you with ALL the liablity attached with your ONLY recourse at the ballot box next RIGGED election! Tell us something Einstein ... after pert near 50 presidents how many GOOD things did We the People do for We the PERSONS!? NOTHING! NOT One thing has ANY president done for us but murder and debt! You are a 100% ass whole!
First Century Christian books that tell us about Jesus: (1) Didache or Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles which all date around 70 AD; (2) Letter of Clement to the Corinthians (third successor of Peter and writes in 96 AD); (3) The letters of Ignatius of Antioch who was bishop from 70 to 107 AD. Note: (a) the whole of the literary tradition of the age of the Roman Empire up to the times of Tacitus and Suetonius has been lost; (b) in the Annals of Tacitus, one of the few works that have come down to us, the books of the period 29-32 AD are missing and the story of book 16 stops in the year 66 AD; (c) - the mass destruction carried out by Vespasian and then by Hadrian swept away all the archives of Jerusalem, therefore all the public documents including the trial and condemnation of Jesus, just as the archives of the Empire in Rome were destroyed in the repeated fires that occurred on the Capitol between AD 69 and 83. Having made this premise, we would expect that 'nothing' had come to us from the pagans of that historical period; but it is not so: - Tacitus (54-119), in the Annals, fire of Rome 64 AD: "Therefore, in order to put an end to this rumor, Nero invented guilty people and subjected to very refined punishments those whom the mob, detesting them because of their atrocities, he called Christians. The origin of this name was Christ, who under the empire of Tiberius had been condemned to execution by the procurator Pontius Pilate; and, momentarily dormant, this lethal superstition spread again, not only through Judea, the hearth of that disease, but also Rome ...". Tacitus did not write by hearsay, he obtained this information either from documents of the Senate or from the Consul Cluvium in function under Caligula. - The "Jesus case" arrives in the Senate of Rome in the year 35 AD, a few months after the execution of Christ, Pilate, Caiaphas and all the characters are still alive. He arrives there since Tiberius asked the Senate to legitimize the new "Christian" religion and therefore to recognize that Jesus as "god", eventually, legitimizing this new Jewish heresy was part of the imperial approach that had already been practiced with the Samaritans to emancipate them from guardianship Judaica and retain them in Rome. How does Sardis reach us, through Justin of Nablus who writes around 150 AD that there was a report from Pilate to Tiberius on the story of Jesus for which he referred his contemporaries to the imperial archives. Pilate then testified about the slain Galilean on the evening of April 7, AD30. - Tertullian in 197 AD reports "under whose reign [Tiberius] the Christian name made its entry into the world ... transmitted to the Senate, giving his first favorable vote, all that had been communicated to him from Syria Palestine and that demonstrated the truth about the divinity of Jesus. The Senate, not having itself verified these facts, voted against." for unlawful superstition. Tiberius also mocks the context, finding absurd the pagan idea that a god without the favorable vote of man would not have been such. - After the rejection of the Senate "Tiberius sent his legate Lucius Vitellius to the East with full powers, who in 36-37 deposed Caiaphas, the High Priest who presided over the Sanhedrin when Jesus was condemned to death, and recalled Pilate to Rome, as attested by the Jewish historian of the time Flavius Josephus (ant. Giud. XVIII, 89-90, 122) and also by Eastern sources independent of Tertullian.... And the Successor of Pilate deposed by Vitellius by order of Tiberius, Marcellus, it has the same name as the senator who would have hosted St. Peter in Rome according to the Acts of Peter, fol. 8 ss, an apocrypha of the 2nd century which however is based on ancient legends." - Abgar, Middle Eastern king allied with Rome. Letter exchange between Tiberius and Abgar known as the Black, datable to the year 36, "Abgar exhorts Tiberius to intervene against the Jews, to punish those responsible for the crucifixion of Christ, and Tiberius replies that he has already deposed Pilate and promises to take further measures against the Jews once the problems with the sons of Spain had been settled..." deeds deposited in the Royal Archives of Edessa, capital of Osroene (Syria). - Edict of Nero, found in Nazareth in 1878, marble stele 61 cm high, 38 wide, 22 lines, called diàtagma Ka (62 AD): "Edict of Caesar. It is my will that the sepulchres and tombs, of any type, made out of religious respect for ancestors, or children or relatives - remain inviolate forever. placed, thus offending the deceased themselves, or have moved the slabs or tombstones, against such persons I order that a trial be held, as one does - for contempt of the gods - against anyone who worships a human being. there is greater respect for the deceased. That absolutely no one is allowed to move the bodies that are buried. But if anyone does so, I order that the offender be sentenced to capital punishment on the charge of trespassing on tombs." Outrage to the gods, peri theon, de diis principal charge against the Christian hominis cultores. - The darkening of the sky at the death of Christ, Thallus, Samaritan freedman according to Flavius speaks of it, but the text has disappeared, Sextus Julius Africanus (50 AD) mentions it but this text has also been lost but is quoted in a work later, Giulio Africanus demonstrated how the naturalistic interpretation was wrong since there were no eclipses in the periods of full moon (Passover when Jesus was crucified); it is therefore spoken of at the level of the imperial court - Mara Bar Separion, Syriac Stoic of the 1st century "What benefit did the Athenians derive from the death sentence of Socrates, a crime they had to pay with famine and plague? Or those of Samos from having burned Pythagoras, since then Was their country in a moment buried by the sands? Or the Jews by the execution of their wise King, for they were despoiled of their kingdom from that time? In Justice God took vengeance on those three wise men. The Athenians died of hunger; those of Samos were submerged by the sea; the Jews were killed and driven from their land they live scattered everywhere. Socrates is not dead, thanks to Plato; nor Pythagoras, because of his statue of Hera; nor the wise King, thanks to the new teaching that he had imparted" - Flavius Josephus, Jewish Antiquities (18, 63-64), 93 AD, "Jesus lived in this time, a wise man, even if he is to be called a man. In fact, he performed extraordinary works and was the teacher of men who joyfully welcome the truth, and so he drew many Jews and also many Greeks to himself. He was the Christ. Even when, in denunciation of those among us who are the leaders, Pilate had him crucified, those who had loved him before did not stop loving him He appeared to them on the third day alive again, according to what the prophets had foretold about him all this and a thousand other wonders. To this day there is still the genus of those who have taken the name Christians from him." Flavio was born in 37, of a priestly family on his father's side and royal on his mother's side, this means that his relatives had been present during the vicissitudes of Christ, the text however was contested by the genius of Voltaire, therefore . .. - 1971, prof. Shlomo Pines Hebrew University of Jerusalem, 10th century Arabic codex, the Universal History of Agapius, bishop of Hierapolis, Syria, different version of the passage from Flavius: "At this time there lived a wise man Jesus. His conduct was good and was esteemed for his virtue. Many were those, among the Jews and other nations, who became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not stop following his teaching. They reported that it had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive. Perhaps that is why he was the Messiah of whom the prophets have told marvels. You've been telling imbecility for 2000 years, please, stop the idiocracy.
Look at how elaborate the Greek mythology and origin story became. And then the Romans wrote their own in Latin, just as elaborate, and tied it into the Greek story. There were some very talented and ingenious writers in the Roman court.
Look up Ralph Ellis ... he says in his video, this Jesus he talks about is the false prophet of Egypt. Rome changed names and dates to confuse the mass and to wipe out a royal line of which this Jesus is related to Cleopatra VII if I recall, don't quote me but look him up. Ralph Ellis, on March 6, 2013 at 2:05 pm said: This analysis hardly scratches the surface. In reality: The biblical Jesus was called King Jesus Emmanuel. The historical Izas was called King Izas Manu(el) VI of Edessa. The biblical Jesus was a King of the Jews. The historical Izas was a defacto King of the Jews (because his mother, Queen Helena, was the defacto Queen of the Jews). The biblical Jesus was a Nazarene. The historical Izas was a Nazarene. The biblical Jesus was sent away to Egypt for his education. The historical Izas was sent away for his education, and appears to have visited Egypt and stayed in Jerusalem. … (his mother furnished the Temple of Jerusalem) The biblical Jesus’ disciples (Saul and Barnabas) took money from King Abgarus of Edessa, to provide famine relief for Jerusalem. The historical Izas-Manu’s father was the same King Abgarus of Edessa. The biblical Jesus was a revolutionary who fought the Jerusalem authorities and the Romans. The historical Izas was a revolutionary who fought the Jerusalem authorities and the Romans. The biblical Jesus was captured and crucified. The historical Izas was captured and crucified. The biblical Jesus survived the cross (by being taken down early). The historical Izas survived the cross (by being taken down early). The biblical Jesus was taken down by Joseph of Arimathaea. The historical Izas was taken down by Josephus Flavius. The biblical Jesus wore a Crown of Thorns. The historical Izas wore a Crown of Thorns. The biblical Jesus wore a purple cloak (the Imperial cloak). The historical Izas would have worn a purple cloak (the Imperial cloak), because he wanted to become Emperor. The biblical Jesus was born under the Eastern Star. The historical Izas was using the Star Prophesy of the Eastern Star to become Emperor. …. (you will note that it was Vespasian who took the Star Prophesy, and used it to become Emperor, as Tacitus and Suetonius confirm). I could go on, but you perhaps see my point. Jesus was a prince and king of Edessa, called King Izas Manu(el). And the reason why you have never heard of King Abgarus or King Manu (even though they were very famous historically), is because the Catholic Church has done everything in its power to delete them from history (even though Abgarus appears in Acts of the Apostles in Acts 11:27). This is the unspoken truth, that has remained hidden for nearly 2,000 years – the historical truth that the Catholic Church thought it had buried forever
None of this shows that the flavians created christianity from whole cloth. They wouldn't need to - they just had to assimilate and promote the already existing pacifistic strands of messianism.
The evidence the Flavians created the New Testament literature is excellent and completely convincing IMO. The fact that we have the Josephus literature shows the Flavians capable of creating complicated scriptures to match. Atwill's Theory of the Flavian origin of the Gospels is brilliant and will be studied henceforth by any scholar worth a dime. He has unveiled a mystery that explains away any doubt I might have had about Jesus being a real historical person. Christianity is a complete Flavian fabrication and knowing this is what can set you free.
cameradanblack 1) The Joesphus literature looks like traditional jewish writing, because that's what inspired it. 2) So does the writing of other jews who wrote the books of new testament, because that's what inspired them. 3) Therefore...Joesphus wrote the new testament. Do you see the flaw in this reasoning?
***** Non sequitur - Literary analysis of the two works of literature show over 40 parallels that occur in the exact same sequence and exact locations. There is no way that that could occur by chance. Therefore one can conclude that the stories are linked. One is dependent on the other or they were created in tandem. The hypothesis that it was the Flavians who created this link is completely sound and logical. Along with the other proofs of Flavian involvement in the early Church cements the fact that the Flavians were the creators of the Gospel literature and therefore the entire religion.
cameradanblack Strawman. No one is claiming the resemblance between Josephus and the New Testament is coincidental. Parts of the NT are copied/adapted from Josephus, and parts of both are copied/adapted from earlier jewish writings.
I have read it There's an online version at sidneyrigdon dot com The Flavian hypothesis is just the Piso hypothesis with a few names changed. Most of the evidence and arguments are identical.
Flavius Josephus' "Life" is published between 90-100CE. The Gospel of Mark is supposed to be written in the 70's CE. In Flavius Josephus' "Life" there is a on story about 3 priests on the cross and the rescue of one of them by Joseph Bar Matthatia (Flavius Josephus). An other "testimonium" in Life reveals that the youngster (+-14 years old) was already discussing Jewish Law's and Religion. Supposing (!) that this 2 (or at least one) testifyings are recorded in Mark's Gospel, Some possibilities: - Mark is written using Flavius Josephus' Vita, thus after 90-100CE. - Mark is written in the 70's CE and the two stories are added to the Gospel after the publication of F.J.'s Vita in 90-100CE - "Mark" knew(direct or indirect) the living Josephus . - Flavius Josephus was the (co)-author of Mark (Maybe a rewrite of an already existing "Yeshu-gospel" (Yeshu, the ex-disciple of Joshua Ben Perachia)???) Was it also possible that "Paul" and Josephus, at the age of 25, who was sent to Rome to negociate the release of Essene priest's, met each other at Rome? In this case there must be have been already a relationship between the Julio-Claudio Emperors and the Helene/Roman minded Jews? (Josephus Bar Matthatia knew Poppea the wife of Nero...)
Florimond Fleerackers - Very possible. If Paul is Saulus Thaddeus Alexander Herod, cousin of Herod Agrippa (therefore, a Roman citizen, released from prison seven times, persecuted the early church, etc.), and Joseph Bar Matthaias is also Joseph Barnabas ("Son of Prophecy"), Paul's mentor in the Acts of the Apostles. And collaborating with Titus Flavius Clemens (Pope Clement of Rome), who is described as a "quick study on the Septuagint," and killed by his cousin, Emperor Domitian, for being a Christian circa 92 CE. I think this theory has numerous merits.
Yes and if my grandmother had wheels she'll be a bicycle. Still all the Apostles ,except St. John died without recanting Jesus had risen from the dead...Still trying to explain Jesus away...Hogwash!
Scott Ó hÓgáin You are a very clever, critical thinking man. There is a verse that APPEARS in the LETTERS OF PAUL that reveals that theology he was advancing about THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST was not accepted by both The ROMANS , nor the JEWS of his TIME. That it was his IDEA that was challenged by both camps: ROMANS AND JEWS. I am going to give you the VERSE and the CHAPTER NEXT.
If this concept was introduced by the Flavian leaders who reigned after emperor Nero, how is that Nero was renown for persecuting Christians by burning them on the cross and feeding them to the lions for entertainment? Just a thought on how this all fits in..
It’s part of the Flavian propaganda, which Blackhirst mentions in the beginning. Our source on Nero persecuting Christians is from Tacitus, who was employed by the Flavian emperors, and he undoubtedly got his information from Flavian sources, if he is not just outright lying in a bid to smear Nero. If we had any contemporary non-Flavian sources on these persecutions, it could speak against this, but we don’t.
The thing that escapes us with all historical writings or texts/ inscriptions is context of the time it was dictated. The closer we come to the original context or way of thinking the better we will bww
When the Hellenistical spirit in the Hellenistic times reached the people of the Middle East in today's Israel and all the surrounding areas, then the same thing happened that happened in the Hellenistic times, that is, the Greeks Hellenized another culture, religion or deity, converting a culture or deity to a Greek version of it (so it is not exactly a "syncretism" as some people say) . Under Roman rule even the background is always the Greek world, the Hellenistical spirit, the Greek culture and the Hellenic world - system and philosophy etc upon which the Roman empire stands. But the Romans at some point take Greek polytheism and make it a kind of authoritarian centralized state religion and a religion (while Greek polytheism is not a religion) that serves an authoritarian Roman system, with Caesars etc and God's mercy, monarchy (a kind of polytheistic monotheism with the Sun - God /Sol Invictus) . Christ was Prometheus who resisted the violence of the Roman state who crucified people, in a very brutal way people (this is what the crucifixion of Christ signifies, beyond other things) This creates some texts in the type of ancient Greek tragedy or ancient Greek myths with their parallels as in the ancient Greek myths (these areas were filled with Greek settlements and ancient Greek theaters, which we can find even in today's Afghanistan) and Christ becomes the Crucified like Prometheus in the Caucasus who is also a philanthropist and frees people from Roman oppression - "Tyrant Zeus" who crucifies ppl, when Rome was in decline. The Jewish religion, the old testament is directly Hellenized just by its translation into Greek as it is not just a translation into another language but also carries the corresponding cultural Hellenic burden. Christ himself brings a New Testament, that is, a new religion which is humanistic and human-centered in contrast to the Jewish religion and the Jewish Law / Theocracy, and the doctrinal literalism, the Jewish "Sharia" and frees religion both in this Jewish world and the Roman world from the connection of religion with the law and tyrannical authoritarianism so the state power of that times, so from the Monotheistic "Sharia" (that is also present in Islam) and who that was "slaves"and poor and abandoned and oppressed before their revolt to their Roman tyrants throught the Hellenistical Christ as their Prometheus. There is the emphasis in the Gospels that "the letter dehumanises while the spirit gives life". The whole humanistic style of the Gospels, is away and "against" the spirit of the Priesthood jurification and their "authenticity of the word of the god in the holy texts" , against the religious authoritarianism , with it's humanistic messages and ideas, is the effect of Greek culture on these people of the Middle East. The spirit of ancient Greek tragedy that penetrates these texts is characteristic. The myth of Christ itself is nothing more than another ancient Greek tragedy in the style of the Prometheus myth and the Aeschylian tragedy, etc. These tragedies were performed and known by the people of those regions with the ancient Greek theaters that the ancient Greeks had created. This of course is only one element of the influence, there is influence from every side of the umanistic Greek culture From there Christianity is born. It has some Jewish core but then becomes Hellenized. That's all
And that's one of the reasons of what I present here, that Christianity has no Sharia - Religious Law and books and a theocratic hierarchical political system to come from and with it. While most religious have, especially at least and in contrast to the other big monotheistic religions. Because Christianity it is a creation of the Hellenic spirit / ancient Greek spirit and world, that there is neither Sharia, and furthermore neither "holy religious books" in the sense of Bible, Quran, or whatever like that or theology. So has a secular and umanistic "anthropocentric" character in it. In Greek polytheism the Gods don't say what political system the humans to have in their societies and their is no specific religious or ethical law , no moralism, in the sense of the after religions. In fact the structure of the stories of Greek mythology has the sperm of democratic ideas and rebellion spirit, freedom spirit in the political level or in general (we see in Greek mythology previous gods to be de - throned by other gods and a kind of meta - physical "dialectics", and we see in the stories of the Greek gods when there is to take a desicion on the things of human fate, to come all together in Olympus in a syneulesis - meeting and talk all together and decide all together about what they will decide to a matter, - well that is like we see a scene of what was happening in the ancient Greek democracies - to disagree and oppose the one with the other , to say their opinions and express their sympathise or dislikes, to make conspiracies the one with the other etc. even if Zeus has the "last word" (in that sense Zeus becomes the Demos, the people, the Polis, the "cosmic order" , the common and final decision of the people of the Polis, the society, that all must respect, even if some they do disagree or dislike, in order not the world to fall into chaos and total anarchy or tyranny. It is so, that in ancient Greek City - Polis these decisions is considered as the "will of the gods" ) But even yet Zeus, is not an "absolute god for ever" he is in danger to be de- throned by Prometheus, as he himself de - throned in the past Khronos from the power and threatens to change fundementally all the cosmic world order. The same happens with other stories with Dionysus and in ancient Greek tragedy etc. So I mean all the freedom spirit, of resistance, of questioning the authorities, of opposition or / and "turning around" , of re - newal, of such tendencies, of an umanism, that it is secular but not yet completely secular but has a sacred character, is already there. It is all this spirit we see in the teachings of Christ, and the Christian mythology, if we transfer them in that specific religious context and place and time, that had those people there. It is the Hellenic spirit that acts in the "underground" , as the substratum , in the Jewish context and in the Roman or Greco- Roman one of that times.
Really enjoyed this, thanks. Great to give some context of what was happening in the world at the birth of Christianity, and how a new (religious) mythology was needed to replace the one of the Romans. I see similarities to certain things which are happening right now (not the Islam thing as talked about here).
Paul conveniently leaves out details found in the Gospels (such as Jesus having 12 disciples and being betrayed, or even any of his famous sayings and teachings). Paul would've had reason to mention them, but he didn't because these details of Jesus' story hadn't been invented yet, which debunks the idea they were ever a part of history. Paul's only sources for knowing Jesus was scripture and visions and specifically says that none of what he knows derives from human origin.
To me Paul was a Herodian who was an agent for both the Herods and the Julio-Claudians. But he couldn't keep his lies straight. It's difficult to determine if he was preaching a celestial Christ, a Docetic Christ, or a genuinely historical Christ.
Well, there wasn't a single fact given by Blackhirst that supports the idea that the Flavians actually did produce the Gospels. It's all just clouds of unsupported theory. Sadly for him, it comes to grief on the fact that there were plenty of Christians already in Rome under Nero so the latter was able to scapegoat them for the Fire of Rome. And that was considerably before the Flavians were given power. Moreover the Gospels were written in koine Greek and clearly destined for the Greeks as potential converts. Not very sensible when you're dealing with Aramaic-speaking Jews who considered Hebrew a divine language and were deeply suspicious of Greco-Roman culture. And it was hardly sensible to try and sell a man as a God, rather than as a Messiah, as that would get up the nose of pious Jews. Anything coming from the Greco-Roman world would have been rejected with the greatest suspicion and disgust. The Germans as usual used brutal military force and executions to impose their power. The Zealots were so crushed they would not be able to raise their heads again for another two generations. The whole idea of Caesar's Messiah is ridiculous. One of its main critics, and with reason, is Dr Richard Carrier. He says what I've just said here.
The Original language of the gosple is very unlikely koine. Rather hebrew, latin, aramaic or koptic. None of the apostels would have „prepared“ his message in koine greec because of „potential hellenic converts“.
The gospels themselves are the proof; they contain the deification of Flavius Titus whose military campaign is mirrored blow by blow in the ' mission of Jesus ' which starts in the Galilee and then moves gradually south through the Jordan valley to Jericho and Jerusalem. Nazareth did not exist as a town then, but Tiberias was already an ancient city along the coast of the great northern lake in Israel created by the upper Jordan River. Apparently scholars must have this pointed out blow by blow before it becomes clear and obvious to them. Joseph Atwill has already done this and he was not the first person to think of this idea. It has been kicked around for at least a hundred years.
Porphory, And what evidence does anyone have about Jesus Christ? none, it's just another religious aspect of the whole religion idea! Just like Flavian, no proof either way you look at the comparison. He's probably just another made up character from hundreds of thousands of years ago, so there's no proof like you basically said, except on either side of the book!
I have seen an analysis which has Josephus working with Greeks under the Flavians to construct a myth. But I do not understand why no independent records of this type of activity seems to have turned up. Emperor Julianus (Julian the apostate) had Greek scholars pouring over the records in an attempt to promote Hellenism and discredit Christianity and to my knowledge, nothing showed up that he could use. It is true that his reign was centuries removed and was rather short, but aside from internal evidence which is cited from the works of Josephus, where are the other records of this having been done?
Actually he doesn't. His take flies in the face of ancient texts to the contrary. For example, here is a quote from Annals, Chapter 44 by Roman Senator, Tacitus writing about Christ and Christians under Emperor Nero's rule: But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
I would also urge you to read a book by J. Warner Wallace called Person Of Interest where he sifts through real evidence from history of Jesus, and how he changed the world.
The Greek words for love for a family member, _stergein;_ sexual love, _eros;_ and deep affection, _philia;_ are not used in this verse (Matthew 5:44). Rather the author of Matthew uses *_agapan,_* which Barclay translates as continued benevolence. [11] Barclay, William. _The Gospel of Matthew: Volume 1 Chapters 1-10._ Edinburgh: Saint Andrew Press, 1975.
What logic? He has his modern facts WRONG and that is extremely dangerous.If education in Australia is all like this, no wonder your country is not a world power.
I would also add that both the Jews and the Romans were thinking people who understood both insanity and cons. If I were to say to you this day "I am the way, the truth, and the life. And no man comes to the Father (God) but by me". You would believe me to be either a liar, or insane. Yet because of the signs and wonders, as well as the fulfilled prophecies in all that he did - not only did his followers who witnessed these things know who he was, but also the physician Luke who researched these truths. And these signs and wonders continued with his followers throughout history, but even to this day; as I too have had a pentecostal experience and seen the sick healed and the dead raised to life. "NOT ONLY IS IT ALL TRUE, BUT HE IS QUITE ALIVE, SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER AND CURRENTLY RUNNING THE UNIVERSE!"
The Maccabees were a group of Jewish rebel warriors who took control of Judea, which at the time was part of the Seleucid Empire. They founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 167 to 37 BCE, being a fully independent kingdom from 104 to 63 BCE.
Yes! They are named after Judah/ Judas of the Hasmonian family. Confusingly, “Maccabee” (the Hammer) was the nickname of just Judah but the whole dynasty is named after his nickname.
The conclusion that it is a moderate position or reasonable to be obsessed with materialism, conquest, and control is absurd, as that caused the rise of the Messianic movement, the revolt, and that is the core of Roman ideals. To hope that governments today are involved in "that sort of thing," shows that he does not fully understand the implications of said tactics. Is it moderate to force collectivization in order to subjugate and expand? How do you call brutal violent suppression accompanied with cultural manipulation through propaganda and control of media to achieve "consent," moderate or reasonable, or something you hope your government is doing? The Roman Empire is glorified throughout US history, and we have yet to learn the lesson. 9/11 was just one of the many instances of "pacifist propaganda" meted out by the "Empire." Unite to crush the extremists and have our revenge, and then we will be safe and have peace. And now it is a public health crisis, where our very bodies have become the gold mines of profit.
Its amazing how brilliant an analysis one can contrive when you ignore a good number of historical fact. This is exactly the same type of reasoning that advances every crackpot conspiracy theory.
And it is in the last days that the Roman Empire will do a false resurrection of a man who will have the spirit of one of the Caesar and they will fool the world that he is the Saviour of the world. But he not because Christ has already came over 2000 years ago through incarnation, human living, crucifixion and resurrection and He is now living in ascension in the heavens, and that He is the life-giving Spirit living within us as the resurrection and life! That the false Antichrist will come from Rome but he will come from below when the true One who is Jesus will descend down from heaven!
@Scott Mcmillan In pagan Roman Christianity it's Easter, in the Judeo Christian faith it's Passover. Pagan Roman Christianity came up with Dec 25th not the Judeo Christian faith.
What was amazing about it? What was serious about it? What was a documentary about it? It was pure fantasy and hallucination, with nothing real substantiating it, only his own crackpot theories. The only thing amazing about it is if you assert something (Lord Xenu, Body Thetens, etc), some people will believe it.
It doesn't take much for people to give up on Jesus, and their will be many false prophets. Jesus was not religious, Let's not get confused. The Romans invented a different Christianity and "church".. I love my Jesus , and have Faith til I die! I believe in Jesus more than some UA-cam guy that found a theory and ran with it.
Did Jesus leave this earth with any earthly riches? Did he leave a bloodline that would benefit from this craze? Were the disciples that travelled the world, lost their lives and are remembered in different places just a fantasy? Did you ever actually read the bible? No, but someone has an awful lot of funds to create a documentary to prove nothing. What a morbid purpose they must have. John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. God is in the word not in pagan Roman temples made by men. Jesus wasn't a fiction, Rome made him into a fiction just like all the bonds, fictional names with surnames that we are fooled into claiming today to be part of an enslaving legal system. The truth is there is an anti thesis of sheer evil that controls everything with a hidden hand. Secret societies, armies of fools tempted by pride and blackmailed to fight for the most evil entities on earth. When you create money and own peoples souls you can definitely run the media. Not for just a moment, a minute, an hour but days, months, years and centuries. Look at where the power money flows, who creates it, who benefits from it. Their lies, blasphemy and sins are utterly immense. Wake up! Jesus is Lord
So you believe a book that was written by man because they claimed to have dreams and visions inspired by god? Smh I have read the bible many times over go back to genesis where the heavens and the earth was created by god... Now check the Hebrew account of genesis where it state the heavens and the earth were created by the elohim which were in fact the fallen angels. So if you serve the bible you serve false gods whom fell from grace. Seek and ye shall find all your info isn't in a book created to make laws for man to abide by so they control the mass. I'm not here to put anyone down but open your eyes and put in work if your heart desires truth you will find what your looking for.
John was not a contemporary of Jesus. It is pure church dogma. And it looks like the Christians are the ones in the government now, Pence for example, who love money.
@@michaelmancil3356 well if you think you don't cause unease and major problems by breaking commandments for example killing others, hating your neighbour, lying, sleeping around, coveting things that never fulfill you, worshipping idols rulers who continually fool and enslave you, then that's your choice. I realised however archaic these laws were presented to me and others in my life they hold the true values of life.
@@Doriesep6622 Barefoot Prof Pence a Christian? If you say so. If he goes to a church full of pagan symbols and worships idols then that doesn't really tie up with the bible. Jesus said if you love him keep his commandments... don't think it says anywhere that he commanded people to build churches filled with icons and effigies and worship his image. He told people to keep the Word and stay away from the things that will corrupt you. If you hold up a politician of any preference you are an idolater and these idols will fool you. Only fools continue to buy lies from continual liars. Everyman is fallible.
@@michaelmancil3356 Well said, and I totally agree! I believe there's a Creator of the entire universe, but we don't know what that higher power is, or does. Except create everything the way it's supposed to be made. But worshipping that power, that's never been seen, or delt with by anyone! now I don't believe in that, we're here I believe to live our lives, nothing else. Proof of anything else? nope!
Indeed. Its easy to say someone, or some "source" said this or that, with out citing sources, any enducated person will find it difficult to take seriously.
Have mfz even googled Jesus name? Blind denial is just as stupid as blind acceptance. Our grandparents has an excuse no internet the information super highway, we donot
@SuperDukka If you could erase this religion many would not have died but every nation that have not embraced this religion killed many more. You still have people eating people in Africa I know because I stay here. Daughters are sold for cattle. Three out of 5 woman are raped. Body parts are used in potions. The amount of sadism in killings is worse than any movie you have ever seen. 6 big men crossing a 4 year-old girl to a kitchen table taking turns raping her infront of a dead mother whose vagina and breasts are cut off and a father who's eyelids are cut off so he has to witness the cruelty. I am not Christian but if you follow the ten commandments and remove those who break them from society so they cant procreate you are left with a much more tame species of human. Look at Sweden before the mass migration. They had to close prisons because of centuries of these values. The Indians of America were vicious canabals and killers before western values became the norm. Asia and India also before Krishna and Budda. Even after that millions were killed under communist rule. Also remember the God of Israel was meant to be the God of the tribe or race of Abraham not other nations and races. The cruelty of this God is justified in the fact that he is only meant to look out for them. Other peoples were seen as barbarians, filth, killers, rapers, animals and had to be destroyed. Also you mention oil. If you look at the last 5000 years and you notice that oil made an impact on only a hundred years oil is very insignificant then and the world is already moving away from it. The 10 commandments pathed the way to abolish worldwide slavery, to put a man on the moon and to enable us to communicate with anyone anywhere instantly. Evil needs to exist so we can choose otherwise without choice and thought we loose that thing which makes us special. We are the only animal with a significant consciousness. Otherwise we would be stupid animals.
Donald Ceronio the God of Jacob Isaac and Abraham who gave us the laws is perfect just like the laws themself if any wish to serve him who is the only God thre is all you have to do is keep his laws but as many just stated none wish too yet call him cruel tribal God who favors only his people but none wish to keep his commandments even his own people he scattered to the wind those people in Israel today are not the true Israelites thre are many credible sources that indicates this
Also God is not the author of confusion the gospel preached by Paul is a lie look into Marcion of Sinope even he said the God of the Israelites the one true God is different from the Jesus doctrine all are 1 in Christ forgive and be forgiven brothers it’s a beautiful concept but I prefer the truth all will be held accountable for thre SINS
An interesting and plausible theory, but is there any documentation or other evidence to back it up? If not, then it remains simply a plausible theory, not anything that can be stated as factual or even particularly probable.
There is none. As creative as people may try to be to deny the existence of Jesus, it becomes difficult to deny ancient history. Here is a quote from Tacitus from chapter 44 of his book Annals writing about Christ and Christians under Emperor Nero's rule: But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
and then ignorant white christian celts and germanics whether catholic or protestant went around the world doing the same thing !!! Sad , I'm proud of my ancestry also no the christian part though ,, time to turn another page i think
SS There’s no biblical designated day of worship, so it doesn’t matter if believers worship on a Sunday or Saturday or any other day. December 25th has no biblical ties to Jesus Christ so that date is irrelevant to true Christianity. The celebration of Jesus death and resurrection have nothing to do with an equinox. The very real death of Jesus is being remembered. The death under orders from Pontius Pilate as noted by Tacitus. Biblical Christianity has no pagan ties. Jesus Christ spells the end for all pagan/antichrist beliefs.
Interesting theory, but does that mean the content or the context of the Bible is not reliable, especially when the entire book is in opposition to the Romans.
Is the Bible reliable? It's not self consistent so not reliable in that sense. It does mention many things that have later been confirmed such as the Hittites other historical groups so it can be used to source of reliability. Is it reliable as in factual? Not often.
@@myothersoul1953 the Bible is consistent from beginning to end and the narrative doesn't change, IF you read it in Hebrew and in the context of the words as they are written without interpretation.
yes in fact that is exactly what it proves ......the base of Christianity was made in Rome for a reason .... the Romans could see a big profit and crowd control like secular Judaism had on all of its people
One must remember the mostly forgotten influence of Mani and Manichaeism . Mani was born around 200 AD in Turkey and he performed miracles, raised the dead and healed the sick. At one time his church spread geographically from Rome to China. When Marco Polo went to China, the temple to Manichaeism was the largest in the capitol. This vigorous miracle producing faith healer, Mani, was certainly an inspiration to early Christian fathers composing their doctrine.
A great Gnostic teacher. They took his knowledge to form some of their Christian doctrines, then persecuted the Gnostics. Gotta love those early church 'fathers'.
Very interesting to listen to the lecture of this educated man. Gives a historical background to the creation of the "myth" of Jesus Christ and the connection to the Flavian dynasty. I can recommend Reza Aslan's fascinating book: Jesus of Nazareth - a story of the true Yeshua.
yes - these peoplle rebell against logos are notorious gnostic - and ramm theis skulls so long against the walls of - we cannot know - search the father.. - we beg him vor superiour knowledge... till a hologramm appears - with the yashua... we know these rituals - in all their patterns of behaviour... their tird eye - on tip of the pyramide of crap and blood - the eye of modor... its planned to appear... send the running trees to them....
Yashua was never thought of as a three in one God. He was a human and you wouldn't last ten seconds for calling him a god. You would've been put to death instantly. The Romans created this centuries later
Christianity literally makes no sense when put into the context of Judaism. Google the Moshiach. According to the qualifications for the Jewish Messiah (Moshiach) Jesus could not be the messiah
@Die Cast Racing with Von He's meant to liberate Israel, rebuild the third temple, and then establish peace on Earth (or end of wickedness). To which Jesus did none of these, then died, and everybody said there would be a second coming. Even if we were to say that peace on Earth is an unrealistic aim, the other two weren't even fulfilled by Jesus, and he totally strayed from Judaism. The notion that Jesus is a deity and so is God-the-Father is antithetical to Judaism, which believes in one individual deity. www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
@@Kevin-zv6ds Walk by faith, not sight.There is peace and joy, and truth in faith. For the things seen were made by the unseen. Jesus absolutely fulfilled the prophets. The suffering servant. 2 Corinthians 13:5. Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the test? 6 And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test.
How do you explain Paul's letters then? They were written 20 years before the Flavians came to power and talk of Jesus the Messiah, his divinity, his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. Also, why would the Emperor of Rome support a new religion which asserted one God and the divinity of Jesus rather than the divinity of the emperor. It seems to me like the Roman government would have shot itself in the foot if it had done that.
@@kimrice6978 Ironic is it not? They all claim to be independent and free thinkers yet they are making a cult out of Atwill and attack anyone who deviates from his conspiracy theory and anyone who questions it in any way!
You brainwashed religious nut jobs are the special kind of stupid, you have stupid, and then there are the special kind of stupid people like yourself. Delusions are not reality, no matter how hard you want them to be. Grow up and grow a brain. They really mind fucked you with this mythological religious nonsense. God almighty, which God exactly are you speaking of, since the human species has INVENTED thousands of them throughout human history.
@@jfphotography69 calm down mate, you'll give urself a hernia. Why are you so angry about faith? I don't fly off the handle about your love of filming kingfishers...lol
Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich - Napoleon
And it keeps them Stupid
Wrong, and what keeps the rich from the robbing the poor?
The rich do n't rob the poor. They give them jobs
People love religion and atheism alike, and forget the Holy Spirit concept and experience, a more reliable source of psychic health.
@@DancingBearwest-yr5js nope. That is it an actual quote.
i saw the documentary and having been born a catholic but not a practicing one but i still believed in jesus but when i saw the documentary it completely opened my eyes and showed me what a con game the church has been playing on us. the documentary is full of honest common sense
Jesus has a credibility problem Shaun, but don't give up on God. He may be a scientist who's giving everyone ears and a voice through channels like this one. A God of the Enlightenment. Cheers, PR.
I would urge you to read wide. There are many documentaries that would refute this. Try looking at documentaries that explore life in Judea in the first century. Can I also suggest a good book by J. Warner Wallace called Person Of Interest. The book looks at external evidence from history to make a case for Jesus' existence and the subsequent Christianity movement.
@@funkdoctorsportWould ya be inclined, to suggest, those Documentaries to me please? I'VE already tried (partly) Ceasar's mesiah, and I am eager to learn more on this matter -Mainly the fabrication of JC, by the flavians. But I am looking out more, on a general perspective from an atheistic pov, and less, on the histotrical aspect (if possible) I'll wait eagerly for any suggestion ya might have here
@@funkdoctorsport and don't forget that this guy you talk about is just a Christian, indoctrinated, brain washed from infancy. Why don't you give serious thoughts about the heroes of previous epics, Zeus, Appolo etc etc because you were not indoctrinated about them and there are no humans left to talk in favour of them. About the NT :
" IT ISN'T TRUE, IT ISN'T HISTORY, IT IS ALL ASTOUNDING RUBBISH FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT " - Ken Humphryes.
What documentary?
I think it would also be of interest to people that the virgin birth, death and resurrection story has been told at least 15 times before the "Jesus story" supposedly happened. The term "son of God" has been used countless times before. The deluge story was originally found on a clay tablet from Sumerian times ...check out Enuma Elish.
that is very common misinformation
many history books say what other history books say
Imagine humanities gullible ignorance.
While it is true that some ancient texts contain elements that may appear similar to certain aspects of the Christian narrative, it is important to approach these claims with caution. Placing undue emphasis on perceived parallels can be misleading and does not necessarily diminish the unique message and significance of the Christian faith. The virgin birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, as understood by Christians, hold distinctive theological and historical significance within the scope of salvation history. Moreover, the use of terms like "son of God" and the presence of flood narratives in other cultures does not invalidate the Christian claims, as their interpretation and theological context may differ significantly. It is crucial to explore these matters comprehensively, considering historical, cultural, and theological elements, rather than making hasty judgments based solely on surface-level similarities.
Vespasian was likely Paul in the New Testament since it says in Titus 1:4 that Titus was one of the younger men whom Paul discipled and described as his 'son in the faith that we share'. Paul's character was taken from Saul from the Old Testament.
That is an interesting theory.
With so much war, strife, and power struggles at that time it's not hard to understand the planned convenience of a "savior messiah" (jesus christ) that would suddenly appear to bring peace and order to the land while promising you salvation and eternal life. It is in fact one hell of a well-orchestrated power play that helps quell more violence and war. The Romans were not stupid and were well educated, calculated thinkers.
Men are lost in the thoughts of those who came before them. Independent thought is the process of reclaiming your mind.
well put mister
Wow
That is deep.
Unrelated. Not connected. Kind of random in the context.
But none the less, deep. Yep. Some deep, brown, goo, stinky, floating in a septic tank stuff. So deep......
"we don't need your thought control! Hey teacher... Leave those kids alone...."
Perfect
Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
@@ronmccarty7537
Hmmm...what if the baby is already drowned?
So essentially Christianity was a counter-revolutionary movement invented by the Romans to marginalize the more political Jewish Messianic movement. The idea of the Romans inventing it and using hired scribes to write the NT books makes a lot of sense especially when noting the mistakes of reference to the OT found in the NT books that Jewish scribes would never have made.
what!? What do the scribes have to do with the NT!?
What a brain washed idiot. Muslim extremists flying airplanes into buildings! La Trobe Uni, propaganda for NWO.
If this is true, it was pure genius.
It is, imagine only having maintain rule by flaunting eternal damnation for doing bad
@@alexdamangames498or reincarnation as a "lesser being." it's all bs for control.
For that time it was easy. But why don't people wake up in present times?
@@razonybecause this is all false information, there are literally historical writings mentioning jesus and christians decades before the flavians, the fact anyones buying this theory is proving to the world they dont do background research
@brandonjade2146 source? Name one contemporary historian who mention jesus
The stories of Jesus was allegory for the movement of the sun and the 12 signs of the zodiac. Every religion is man made. There’s no way that the Intelligence that made the earth, the sun, moon, stars and nature created religions with all of its fairy tales.
Precisely why areas of study like astrology and zodiac alchemy have been mocked and set aside. Can't have people know the truth and how to heal, can we?
And what a garbled mess of lies and deceit these phoney manipulations left for future humanity...😢
The reason for people to rebel against governments, religion or whatever is because they’re being treated unfairly and demand justice out of necessity! You want to rule forever and 3days? BRING TRUTH AND JUSTICE TO THE PEOPLE! Why is this so impossible to achieve? When you’re evil, secretive and corrupt there is no way to control anything? It breeds chaos. Show a little love, compassion and respect and people go out of their way for you.
gaminfuwl people who understand this aren’t psychotic and big enough sociopaths to achieve power.
gaminfuwl
whats the point of power if you can't have fun abusing people with it ?
@@jowlorenz9555 abuse yourself.
gaminfuwl you are a fool. As Napoleon said “Vanity motivated the revolutionaries, liberty was just a pretext.”
So, who is going to bring the truth and justice? To do that, they need power,and power always corrupts.
Great nrother. Bangladesh
Yeah, the Romans set a writing competition, on the subject of a messiah, and the top four winners were published in a book.
And the hero of all four stories was the most pacifist extremist in all of Roman Judea, with a message that was completely antithetical to Roman as well as Jewish assumptions -- yeah, that's the ticket!.
@@Charlie-xc6mb ... the original message lost in translation(s)!
Incorrect. There is a reason there are only four canonized Gospels. Those are the ones created by the Flavians who masterminded the entire work of literature. The sequence in the already well known typology that Joseph Atwill discovered proves the typology was put together to mirror the story of Titus in the Wars of the Jews by Josephus. The literature is where the science is done in this case and the science of literary analysis shows that the typology being evident points to the fact Titus Flavian is the only person in history who can be the Son of Man that Iesous predicts will come and destroy the Temple.
@@cameradanblack We all knew that!
@Mark Matthew Pace You poor, delusional person. My lord Satan runs this world.
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"
Hmm Why didn't the christian culture in which I was raised, that arrogantly prided themselves as "having" the truth, ever explore this obvious artifice?
@ Man!! that's kinda creepy in a way, something totally fake.
Probably because it’s a bunch of nonsense.
Because the christian culture is one big lie lolhahahaha time to grow up
Why would they want to prove their book wrong?
This is very helpful in understanding Caesar’s Messiah
Religion is money, power, politics! Thank you so much for the information, well done sir!
Hey how about NFL
Pure undefiled religion is taking care of widows & orphans. Jesus said that.
@@65FullMoon83 No he didn´t. He said (according to the bible) he didn´t want to change one letter (iota) of the Torah. In Mark, when a phoenician woman asks for his help, he compares her with a dog who doesn´t deserve help before "the children has eaten", which means his fellow jews.
Paul, who never met JC irl, invented this whole believe-and-you-shall-be-saved idea and that it was applicable even to gentiles.
Religion Ruins EVERYTHING!
Actually it’s the only real human possibility
Religion ruins rationale.
@@zenncatt touche
Especially Judaism, the Talmud, Kabbala and Torah, torah, torah. What a big brown foul of fecality that is.
What the fuck are you talking about Danny?
In the book, I am currently reading The Dream of Rome the author points out the similarities between Octavian Augustus and Jesus Christ. The Roman's invented Jesus Christ no matter what way you look at it and they deified him at Nicea in 324AD
Lol that the Roman Empire is Antichrist. And instead of reading books why don't you try and exercise your human spirit by calling on the name of Jesus, for Jesus is real. He is the Holy Spirit. That the Roman Empire is the work of Satan using people to make people believe that Jesus is not real. When Jesus is actually real. For God through His wisdom knew Satan before hand would decieve people into believing that His only begotten Son Jesus Christ who is God was not real. So in His wisdom God through incarnation came in the Son to live a human life, was crucified and resurrected to become the all-incluvise life-giving Spirit to enter into us His believers. That we have the testimony living and abiding in our human spirit who is the Holy Spirit. That Jesus is real and true and is living in us the believers. That Satan is the liar the father's of liars who is misleading people into believing that our Lord and Saviour is not real. When Jesus is real as we are seal with the Holy Spirit who is Jesus who is God. This is a fact.
@@mereannaranui1205 You do know that there is no letter J in the Hebrew alphabet. So no Jew called Jesus has ever existed. You have been deceived by the Roman Antichrist Church as have all of Christendom.
Lol you can say all you want. Because at the end of the day Jesus is real because we have the testimony of Jesus in us as the Holy Spirit who is God. That the Roman Empire a the Antichrist. They won't tell you that is where Satan will rise up is in the Roman Empire and he will decieve the nations into believing that He is God. That why we already have the One and Only Lord and aviour already in us who is Jesus who was crucified by the Jews and the Roman Empire over 2000 years. That the Holy Spirit is Jesus who is God.
@@samrowbotham8914 Lol that Jesus is the English form of Yeshua meaning the root or stump of Jessie. Lol
@@samrowbotham8914 And the Holy Spirit is the testimony of Jesus as we also know Him as Yeshua our Lord and Saviour! Lol
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Why I'm no longer a Christian.
Call it Christianism, and recognize that Constantine made the canonized faith into the world's first political party.
Aside from roads, medicine, clean water, the aqueducts, sanitation, keeping the peace, and the wine, what has Rome ever done for US???
And dont forget concrete. Stupid sidewalks...
Dr Blackhirst, thank you very much for this interview. I wish that you had been one of my history professors back in the day.
I am not about to read through all comments, so perhaps this has been covered by others. The Mithras following of the officer group of the Roman military provided a model for a rising and dying God. The Flavia s, also coming from such sub-culture had a ready model upon which to build political religious legitimacy to stabilize and institutionalize their power. What better basis than a religious practice that would appeal to everyman.
Then later, the story of the arrival of Saul as Paul, I self declared Roman citizen (he seems to relate less to Judaism) in Jerusalem and aparrent rejection by the decidedly Jewish followers of the messianic Jesus character. Paul spins the encounter and the rejection as being sent out with "his gospel" to the non-Jewish world. A perfect backstory to legitimize the power of Roman military.
It is interesting to note that hidden places of worship for Mithras have been found buried deep in London, England. Thus gives support to its wide impact on the Roman military elite.
Don't forget Serapis Christos
@@tnbn55 please expand on this for my education. Keep in mind, I am not that smart. Thank you
Their power was already stabilized and institutionalized, by force, wherever they went. They didn't need to "fabricate" a religious practice, as the Romans already had a complex set of dieties and mythologies regarding them and their roles.
Why would you think the Romans would have a need to "legitimize the power of the Roman military", when they already believed the Gods were backing them?
Your post is as addled as the crackpot theory by this (I'm sorry to say) troubled individual.....
There are a lot of similarities: 1 is that when Flavians became elevated citizen, they were given the title Homo Novo; or the New Man, oddly enough. Some of those Flavian letters read like and epistle, again oddly similar in context. .
The Romans had a talent for mixing and matching and conflating religious elements. Lots of religions did this. Judaism seems to use elements of old Canaanite religions, Zoroastrianism, and the Yazidi religion. I always found it suspicious that the religion of a radical foreign anti-Roman group(s) caught on as the next popular thing in a xenophobic society like Rome and in Greek of all languages, even though half the empire spoke that, it was still not Latin. That would be like Isis Islam becoming popular throughout half of America and spread in Spanish among non-Hispanics. Something fishy was happening.
We are convinced that Jesus is a mythical character derived from previous persona.
I am convinced that you are an idiot derived from a brainless chicken through the fast track of the evolution myth.
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 We respectfully disagree with your point of view. We understand that you are very delusional because you have been brain washed in your early years. And by the way, Santa Claus is also a fictional character.
@@tommyvasec5216 Brainwashed is only one like you believing in the supernatural nature, stupid shit.
@@糸攴鬼㐯衣豸麻 What a lovely example of Christianity you set. "Jesus loves you" would have sufficed.
@@stephengibson4823 Cristianity is for hypocrites. Jesus does not love him.
Please, by all means, explain to me how the romans invented the God prophesied about in Jewish literature hundreds of years before the romans existed.
The God that has literally helped me through hundreds of situations.
I think he and Joseph Atwill have. Go study better and more open-mindedly.
Atwill claims that Christianity didn’t exist before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. But even the Roman historian Tacitus places Christian persecution under Emperor Nero in AD 64-well before the destruction of Jerusalem. Tacitus even calls the Christian movement an “immense multitude.” He writes,
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome… Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination when daylight had expired. [3]
If Christianity was a Roman conspiracy, then why would Tacitus-a Roman historian-claim that Christianity existed in AD 64? And, more importantly, why would the Roman emperor Nero persecute Christians in this way, if Rome was actually trying to support Christianity?
Tacitus isn’t the only Roman to mention Christianity. In AD 110, the Roman governor Pliny writes to the Roman Emperor Trajan about the Christian movement in Bithynia. Here Trajan tells Pliny that Christians should be killed, unless they abandon their faith. Trajan writes,
If indeed [Christians] should be brought before you, and the crime is proved, they must be punished; with the restriction, however, that where the party denies he is a Christian, and shall make it evident that he is not, by invoking our gods, let him (notwithstanding any former suspicion) be pardoned upon his repentance.[4]
From this excerpt, it is very clear that Trajan was trying to stop Christianity-not support it. Why would the Romans invent a religion that they would later persecute like this? Moreover, if Rome invented Christianity, then why execute Peter and Paul?[5] Instead of crucifying these two central leaders of the early Christian movement, they should have had them on their payroll.
Finally, the Romans weren’t the only ones to mention Jesus (see Part Four of Evidence Unseen). Other Greek and Jewish sources also mention Jesus of Nazareth. Were these hostile sources also part of this “Roman conspiracy”?
REASON #3: Worldview criticism
The NT affirms that Jesus has “all authority on heaven and Earth” (Mt. 28:18), and he is called the “king of kings and lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16). This is why, in the book of Acts, the disciples twice disobey the government in order to obey Christ (Acts 4:19; 5:29). Why would the Romans invent a messiah that would take away their authority, rather than garner it?
@@joshcovington5604 Shortly, we don’t know where Tacitus got his info from. There’s a real chance that he got it from the Acta Senatus, which was restored (and possibly altered) by Vespasian. He was also employed by the Flavians, so he could be considered Flavian propaganda. To your point of why Romans would persecute Christians if they had invented it earlier: the same objection could be made the opposite way. Why did Rome adopt Christianity later if they didn’t invent it?
I like the idea that 1) Jesus spoke so often in paradoxes because he was speaking from a universal point of view, not the point of view of an individual; 2) and that when he spoke of dying to this life, he was talking about living in the moment, without worrying about the past and future. So, the kingdom of god is now, not later after our physical bodies die. Of course, he was also preaching the ethical ramifications of his philosophical teaching. An interpretation like this reminds me of the "cosmic Christ" idea that Father Rohr has written about. It might also make sense of such statements as "before Abraham, I was." In other words, time isn't relevant to someone living in the new way. Does this explain the miracles or the resurrection? Not as far as I can see.
John Stewart “before Abraham I was”, just refers to the fact the Jesus already existed in heaven. I don’t know how Christians manage to connect that to ‘I am God’... no where in the Bible does Jesus say clearly ‘I am God’. Jesus was just a prophet, and a great one indeed. He will be sent to return back to earth during the last days, as foretold.
@@ZiFrenZie You are right there. I just meant that heaven wasn't necessary if you read that line with the idea that Jesus was speaking in a particular way.
It's certainly a nice belief
Hi John. Jesus spoke in parables and paradoxes because he didn't want to be understood by all his listeners. He said so! (Matt13:13); (Mk 4:10-12). Isaiah did the same thing. To go off into flights of imagination just confuses the issue. Cheers, P.R.
Guys, Jesus did not exist, none of what you're discussing happened. None of it.
When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes.
They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Who was known as… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology.
Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology?
Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic?
Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty?
Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess?
Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels?
Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod?
There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology.
Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction.
“What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.”
Pope Leo X 💙
Thanks for sharing.
Hermes Trismegistus was also the god of the Alchemist and was the so called creator of the Emerald Tablet. He will sometimes manifest in the chaos. If you can turn that chaos to cosmos.
Serapis is another good example of a Greek and Egyptian hybridization.
Keep on keeping on.
Bene dictum!
We are familiar with empires taken over by military forces they called upon for help, and here it was a religious force that took over. Fascinating point!
" Myth Maker" Paul and the invention of Christianity
So Was the Whole Period, the Communities and Their Religions a Myth?.
@@chrisgriffiths2533 the literature is myth. the story is myth. the archaeology is real. In his new book Creating Christ How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity James Valiant shows the proof that the Flavians were the inventors of christianity.
@@cameradanblack So Darwin and Dawkins are Speaking Myths as Well?.
@@chrisgriffiths2533 Do you know what propaganda is? Augustus has the Aeneid....Vespasian has War of the Jews......Titus has the Gospels....Domitian has the Book of Revelation....Mohammad has the Koran...... Joseph Smith has the book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price........Next. Those two illustrious men are most welcome for their contributions to battle credulity and promote the scientific method to reason.
@@cameradanblack Dan, Any Quality Scientific Reasoning would Never Stop Religous Reasoning.
Dan, If You can't See, Read, Hear the Gaps in the Reasoning of Dawkins and Darwin then you have Not Thought Enough about Their Work.
As For Propaganda, Propaganda can Not be Truely Understood unless You Also have a Sound Knowledge of INTENT, PLAGIARISM, SLAVERY, CAPABILITY etc.
Capability Alone Explains the Dilemmas of Recorded History 1,2,3,5,10, 100 Thousand Years Ago.
Thanks for the Advice on Augustus, Titus, Vespian, Mohamed etc. I am Humbled by the Plight of Humans of the Distant Past.
A good argument for the separation of church and state.
@paulcombs-bomuse6172 And that is what Trumpty Dumpty's bozos are trying to destroy, along with the middle class...Unfortunately, the "Sleeping Giant" doesn't realize what is REALLY happening...We are in the most dangerous time since the Civil War...
What about the Brits and Visigoth and Vikings? Did they tried the humane side of conquests on them as well?
That Greek Serapis and the morphed Roman Serapis Christus statue idol
The followers were named Christanus
Very interesting analysis of the situation the Romans were facing. It puts Caesar's Messiah in context and further promotes the idea that the Flavians created Christianity.
I believe that what concerns our lives is evident in the environment in nature and in nurture through age old teachings and yes I agree that control of the minds and lands of people is a great motivation for religion
I heard the Gospel of Mathew was written mainly to convert Egyptians, it contains a lot of existing Egyptian mythology such as the Nativity.
Alice Wilde No. Matthew was writing for a Jewish/Christian audience. The genealogy/nativity stuff has to do with Jewish lineage/prophecy.
Each of the Gospels was based on another book. The Gospel of Matthew was modeled on the Torah. Gospel of Matthew is divided into 5 books just like the books of the Torah. It starts with an account like that of Genesis, moves on to an account like that of Exodus and another like Numbers , then the bulk of the Gospel is like the Book of Deuteronomy, and it concludes with a piece that is like Leviticus. So it is like the Torah except the order of the books is different. The entire central part of Gospel of Matthew is taken up by a parody of Deuteronomy, which is known as Sefer Devarim from its initial phrase ‘these are the Words’. This is similar to Matthew’s initial phrase in chapter 4 v.17 ‘from that time forth Jesus began to say these Words’. Like the five speeches by Moses in Deuteronomy, it is organized around a series of five great teachings given on a mountain, each of which concludes with a very formal rhetorical ending. In Leviticus the different chapters move in succession around the walls of the courtyard of the Tabernacle before approaching the Ark, and there are two episodes of blasphemy-one the sons of Aaron in front of the door, and the other the account of the blasphemer in front of the curtain in chapter 24. Well the last part of Matthew moves around the Temple in exactly the same way and Jesus is twice accused of blasphemy at the equivalent places in front of the entrance ways. This is absolute definite proof that the entire account in the gospel is a literary anti Semitic joke.
Black Madonna??
@@ata5855 Christianity has nothing to do with TORAH period. Christianity is a made up religion by the Council of Nice 325 AD. TORAH COMES FROM THE REAL AMERICAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND NOT FROM THE LINEAGE OF Asian and Siberian mongrels neither from the GENETIC LEPERS FROM 2ND KINGS CH 5 : 27, BUT READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER FOR CONTEXT. They lied to everybody, and now we know that Egypt is the grand canyon, the Mississippi river is the Euphrates river because in TORAH Isaiah 11:15 say the REAL Euphrates river has 7 heads/tributaries, and the MOCK EUPHRATES RIVER OVER THEIR ONLY HAS 4 plus NUMBERS 12 SAYS THAT, THAT COLOR SKIN WAS NEVER PERMITTED TO ENCAMP THE REAL CHILDREN OF YISRAEL NEVER, AND THAT LET'S US KNOW THE SO CALLED jews could never be chosen by THE GREAT SPIRIT because of the curses THE GREAT SPIRIT put on Gehazi, AND NAMAAN turning them LEPROUS WHITE THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS FOREVER, and don't forget WHAT Aaron said about MIRIAM when she was turned LEPROUS WHITE and Aaron said she looked like ONE OF THE DEAD WITH THAT WHITE COLOR SKIN. TORAH IS A TRUE STORY ABOUT A ONCE GREAT PEOPLE THAT FELL, AND NOT THE WORLD, AND THAT'S JUST THE PROBLEM WITH THE WORLD THINKING THAT THIS STORY IS ABOUT THEM WHEN ITS NOT , BUT A PEOPLE GREATER THAN ANY ON THIS PLANE OF EXISTENCE, AND UNLIKE THE OTHER BOOK OF LIES THE NEW MENTATEST AND THAT'S testament backwards in which it includes everybody, and that's just not the case with TORAH understand that. Read the book of Obadiah, and see why THE THE MOST HIGH IS HATED BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HIS REAL PEOPLE FROM DEUTERONOMY 28 WHOLE CHAPTER FOR CONTEXT , AND NOT THOSE GENETIC LEPROUS ASIAN AND SIBERIAN MONGRELS DJINNTILES CLAIMING TO BE INDIGENOUS TO TURTLE ISLAND. PS ALEXANDER THE GREAT CAME HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS CAME, AND CONQUERED Yerusalem
AND STOLE THE TORAH FROM THE REAL HEBREWS THE SO CALLED NEGROS/NEGE/NIIGI, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY. DEFINITION OF HAM : HAM is the progenitor meaning the father of the Egyptians, Libyans and the Canaanites, but not the negros, so we are not African at all you've been lied to. African derives from Afrikaan which is a Language brought to that continent by the Dutch settlers, and not a land mass as we where told , nor a PEOPLE for that matter , and you've been lied to again.
@@jacques2242 what does that have to do with the intended audience of the Gospel of Matthew? Nothing.
Not a great start, misspelling "Legitimation ".
Very impressive piece of journalism skills
Your thesis ties in well with the premise of “Operation Messiah: St Paul, Roman Intelligence and the Birth of Christianity”
by Thijs Voskuilen and Rose Mary Sheldon
I assume that to be a book?
The originator of the video post does not claim original thought. The best any historian can do is present historic evidence in such way as to support his or her conclusions.
Thank you, I just ordered this book. My own pet theory is that Josephus was the pen name for Tiberius Julius Alexander (Jr.), and it was he who wrote the first gospel stories.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Part of Joe Atwill's theory is that Josephus was part of a three person team revealed in Jospehus work as the authors of christianity. He says unlocking a word puzzle allows you to see it was Tiberius Alexander Josephus and Bernice. Some say the book of Luke sounds like it was written by a female so Bernice may have written it. Jospehus would have written Matthew - its like the Torah and his family name is Matthew....and Mark was written by Alexander as that was his famous brother's name plus He was a Roman Soldier and most scholars agree this Gospel was written for Romans. I doubt we will ever know for sure.
Anyone who gets their ancient history from the bible and only the bible has no argument. There is plenty of extra-biblical history but in all things ancient it's a detective story. You have to have some understanding of the geopolitical situation of the greater region and an understanding of the many cultures and their histories. You also need some linguistic skill not only to translate ancient text but to understand cultural meaning so you can spot what is original and what isn't. You also have to understand that stories were passed on through generations each one adding its own interpretation. Whether these stories had any factual base is irrelevant if people at the time generally accept them as so and add them to their culture, reinterpreting them and changing characters so as to me understood and accepted by later audiences. All this is a problem for modern victims of apologists who want to accept the bible verbatim and who not only have no interested in investigating its authenticity but who are also actively discouraged from doing so. That is why they can only resort to abuse over reason
And you get your ancient history from people who make up theories. You have no argument. The Jewish never denied the existence of Jesus, but rather affirms his existence and only claimed he was not the Messiah.
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Typical conolizer, it is an insult to the Jewish history. If Jesus did not exist, the Jews would have been the first to say it not you.
Lol The New Testament is against Rome and calls it the whore of Babylon.. Get a clue. The poster of this comment is really CLUELESS. Easily brainwashed by this joke of a video as well.
frustratingly true. without exception every time i've had a debate with a christian, no matter how diplomatic i've been they quickly resort to an aggressive tone followed by unfounded insults, assumptions and shallow arguments
@@davidcunningham9282 I don't think the Bible was ever meant to be proved to those who don't believe. A lot of it comes down to faith.
@@tnaijaboxing8334 Rabbinic Judaism was a also a Roman invention as well as the Jesus myth. As the man states in the film. As always Rome controls both narratives, both good and evil. Great trick. The whole plot to Increase Romes real estate holdings by promising the Jews their land back in the future if they helped Rome now. This is happening. Today they are called Zionists. bible believing, bible thumping murderous killers for Israel. Romes plan s working. after 2,000 years. After taking over all European countries, wiping out other religions, and all North and South America, they want Israel to give them access to the East and West and North and south trade routes. Controlling all trade on land and sea and air.
I'm loving all this education. Putting most of my questions of 55 years to rest. Very freeing.
This dude was dead wrong
Isn't it wonderful?
SuperNewf1
Education or deception
Education???
Education or doctrine of the devil
if Jesus and Christianity were created by the Roman emperor what about Pliny the Younger letter to the emperor during the 1st Century AD. asking the Roman emperor for instructions for dealing with Christians.
Like any other movement, Christianity would take on a life of it's own, regardless of it's origin.
SuperDukka
Why do you keep repeating the same BS.
There is a God of the Bible whether you like him or not
Everest Smith Prove your god is real.
@Die Cast Racing with Von and yet your wrong christ = cristos, meaning annointed one. Same as the name mashiach also meaning anointed on, the word is allegory you dope, christ was 33 years old when ressurected there are 33 vertabrea, the word stauros for cross is actually upright pole the spine, the annointment it talks about is the same as the chemicals that come from the pineal gland, the same as what the egyptians were pointing towards.
Jesus is 16th century format, yet the name yahowsha the actual name means yah is salvation, and how does he bring it through the light of the world, the pineal gland.
Nathaniel was seen by christos under the fig tree or as indians call it the bohdi tree, seeking wisdom.
If you seek actual knowledge you will find it, yes it is corrupted what else do you thing government is going to do but there was a real man who came and taught theway, to the haShamayin, what we call heavens is the place of light the higher realm.
Sarai and abram come together and have 12 tribes the tribes of yudah = bring the name together the sarabram or cerebrum its a play on words 12 vagus nerves in the cerebrum.
Cain kills his brother abel.
Cain is the lower self, abel is the higher self, cain kills his higher self and in turn is wondering in the land of nod = he is fecking asleep.
7 is the holy number on the 7th day of the 7th month you come to know god.
7×7 = 49 the exact amount of days it takes before an enbryo develops a pineal gland.
Jaakov arestles with god and sees his face, he calls the place piniel because he saw the face of god.
God is the word, the universe is written code, your dna is written code, it has mathematical principles guess what so did the damn hebrew language with each constant representing a number called the gematria.
The word is a pathway to know the maker of course man jas corrupted it for his own selfish needs and by corrupting it made it really hard to find truths.
Because they dont want you to wake up, all the romans did was twist it and spread the corrupt twisted version for dominion over man
@@JesusSaves194 You mean "GODS" (Plural), so which one do you worship?
Very interesting. I am surprised, though, to see a glaring, prominent spelling error on the introductory shot of a video purporting to have academic authority ... !
People still lack critical thinking skills and don't read their bible. I was wondering where I should put it on my bookshelf. Matthew 27 made that a pretty easy decision. Jesus cries out, big earthquake, sky turns black, undead saints crawl out of their graves and hit the streets of Jerusalem and do the monster mash. I just stashed it between my Lovecraft and King collection.
Exactly. Research the sun's cycle and parallel it to the stories of the bible and they line up perfectly. The sun suffers(sets) and rises. Just wrap this phenomena in an onion of allegory and there you have it. Holy Light Book(Helios Biblos)
@@09authentic09 he was making light of some of the claims of the Bible.
In other words: Give as much credence to the stories as you would Gulliver's Travels.
Very interesting and enlightening! Makes lots of sense. Makes me want to study more on the history.
How's this: At 1213 King John made a concession to pope (inc). This involved John giving pope (inc) England and Ireland as well his heirs ... who just happen to be ALL U. S. Presidents! At 1213 the common law of the Heptarchy of England yielded to the code of Cana'an law of the Vatican.
@@Psychiatrick King John was not English. Nor was he a popular King exercising laws which favoured the English people. He was a Norman.
@@MikeGreenwood51 Well, it was good enough for pope (inc) and the Hittites of Vatican to have John sign the 1213 Concession to pope (inc) as well the fraud of Magma Carta ... I don't suppose you are able to connect the dots ....
@@Psychiatrick You are 100% I can not connect your crazy dots. Did you factor in the fact that King John was not English or popular with the English or that The Normans moved on and left England? If you can not join other people's historical dots or factor in the real truth then how are earth are others to be able to connect your crazy dots. It's not a board game played on a cardboard cutout where outsiders can just start giving away other people's lands or properties which they have not the entitlements too. The title of King of England changed hands along with titular ownership of lands. You could call it abrogations. But post abrogation, land titles may be worth no more than the value of the old paper they were written on.
@@MikeGreenwood51 WTF you talking about! I DIDN"T say the 1213 "deal" was legit BUT YOU have yet to OPPOSE IT! Its a shell game LIKE the presidential elections!!! Pure Bull Shi'ite! Insofar as "connecting dots" is concerned have your mother look up: "King John's Concession to pope 1213) ... it is ONLY 1 page and she should have no problem explaining this to you. Next, you can aks her to read to you the passage from King John by Shakespeare wherein he speaks of the SAME as you call: "lies" as I do! LOL! A child knowing history!!!! Tell mama how bright you are child!!! Not a board game? YOU CRAZY? It most CERTAINLY is and "they" use real people to destroy each other with! You ARE brain dead! The King of England changed hands many times BUT POPE INC STILL OWNS IT YOU F'ING MORON!!! Why is it then ALL presidents are blood related to King John? Owe ... cuz we are all related to King John through Adam! LOLOLOL ... f'ing moron! You haven't the slightest clue what is going on ... 10 years ago your mother was TOLD VAtican has been appointing ALL presidents since Wurshington ... WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER DO??? She VOTED .... 2012 and 2016 NOW she struck out 2020 ... 3 strikes you're out! What does "voting" entail?
Suffrage
Franchise
SOCIAL CONTRACT!
Through the vote, We the People aka "Government" attorns worthless things like you into We the PERSONS ... guess who is liable for what YOUR "presidents" do? YOU ARE MORON! YOU are responsible for international murder aka war ... YOU are responsible for the debt ... We the People MERELY reflect the Will of the PERSONS saddling you with ALL the liablity attached with your ONLY recourse at the ballot box next RIGGED election! Tell us something Einstein ... after pert near 50 presidents how many GOOD things did We the People do for We the PERSONS!? NOTHING! NOT One thing has ANY president done for us but murder and debt! You are a 100% ass whole!
First Century Christian books that tell us about Jesus: (1) Didache or Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles which all date around 70 AD; (2) Letter of Clement to the Corinthians (third successor of Peter and writes in 96 AD); (3) The letters of Ignatius of Antioch who was bishop from 70 to 107 AD.
Note: (a) the whole of the literary tradition of the age of the Roman Empire up to the times of Tacitus and Suetonius has been lost; (b) in the Annals of Tacitus, one of the few works that have come down to us, the books of the period 29-32 AD are missing and the story of book 16 stops in the year 66 AD; (c) - the mass destruction carried out by Vespasian and then by Hadrian swept away all the archives of Jerusalem, therefore all the public documents including the trial and condemnation of Jesus, just as the archives of the Empire in Rome were destroyed in the repeated fires that occurred on the Capitol between AD 69 and 83.
Having made this premise, we would expect that 'nothing' had come to us from the pagans of that historical period; but it is not so:
- Tacitus (54-119), in the Annals, fire of Rome 64 AD: "Therefore, in order to put an end to this rumor, Nero invented guilty people and subjected to very refined punishments those whom the mob, detesting them because of their atrocities, he called Christians. The origin of this name was Christ, who under the empire of Tiberius had been condemned to execution by the procurator Pontius Pilate; and, momentarily dormant, this lethal superstition spread again, not only through Judea, the hearth of that disease, but also Rome ...". Tacitus did not write by hearsay, he obtained this information either from documents of the Senate or from the Consul Cluvium in function under Caligula.
- The "Jesus case" arrives in the Senate of Rome in the year 35 AD, a few months after the execution of Christ, Pilate, Caiaphas and all the characters are still alive. He arrives there since Tiberius asked the Senate to legitimize the new "Christian" religion and therefore to recognize that Jesus as "god", eventually, legitimizing this new Jewish heresy was part of the imperial approach that had already been practiced with the Samaritans to emancipate them from guardianship Judaica and retain them in Rome. How does Sardis reach us, through Justin of Nablus who writes around 150 AD that there was a report from Pilate to Tiberius on the story of Jesus for which he referred his contemporaries to the imperial archives. Pilate then testified about the slain Galilean on the evening of April 7, AD30.
- Tertullian in 197 AD reports "under whose reign [Tiberius] the Christian name made its entry into the world ... transmitted to the Senate, giving his first favorable vote, all that had been communicated to him from Syria Palestine and that demonstrated the truth about the divinity of Jesus. The Senate, not having itself verified these facts, voted against." for unlawful superstition. Tiberius also mocks the context, finding absurd the pagan idea that a god without the favorable vote of man would not have been such.
- After the rejection of the Senate "Tiberius sent his legate Lucius Vitellius to the East with full powers, who in 36-37 deposed Caiaphas, the High Priest who presided over the Sanhedrin when Jesus was condemned to death, and recalled Pilate to Rome, as attested by the Jewish historian of the time Flavius Josephus (ant. Giud. XVIII, 89-90, 122) and also by Eastern sources independent of Tertullian.... And the Successor of Pilate deposed by Vitellius by order of Tiberius, Marcellus, it has the same name as the senator who would have hosted St. Peter in Rome according to the Acts of Peter, fol. 8 ss, an apocrypha of the 2nd century which however is based on ancient legends."
- Abgar, Middle Eastern king allied with Rome. Letter exchange between Tiberius and Abgar known as the Black, datable to the year 36, "Abgar exhorts Tiberius to intervene against the Jews, to punish those responsible for the crucifixion of Christ, and Tiberius replies that he has already deposed Pilate and promises to take further measures against the Jews once the problems with the sons of Spain had been settled..." deeds deposited in the Royal Archives of Edessa, capital of Osroene (Syria).
- Edict of Nero, found in Nazareth in 1878, marble stele 61 cm high, 38 wide, 22 lines, called diàtagma Ka (62 AD): "Edict of Caesar. It is my will that the sepulchres and tombs, of any type, made out of religious respect for ancestors, or children or relatives - remain inviolate forever. placed, thus offending the deceased themselves, or have moved the slabs or tombstones, against such persons I order that a trial be held, as one does - for contempt of the gods - against anyone who worships a human being. there is greater respect for the deceased. That absolutely no one is allowed to move the bodies that are buried. But if anyone does so, I order that the offender be sentenced to capital punishment on the charge of trespassing on tombs." Outrage to the gods, peri theon, de diis principal charge against the Christian hominis cultores.
- The darkening of the sky at the death of Christ, Thallus, Samaritan freedman according to Flavius speaks of it, but the text has disappeared, Sextus Julius Africanus (50 AD) mentions it but this text has also been lost but is quoted in a work later, Giulio Africanus demonstrated how the naturalistic interpretation was wrong since there were no eclipses in the periods of full moon (Passover when Jesus was crucified); it is therefore spoken of at the level of the imperial court
- Mara Bar Separion, Syriac Stoic of the 1st century "What benefit did the Athenians derive from the death sentence of Socrates, a crime they had to pay with famine and plague? Or those of Samos from having burned Pythagoras, since then Was their country in a moment buried by the sands? Or the Jews by the execution of their wise King, for they were despoiled of their kingdom from that time? In Justice God took vengeance on those three wise men. The Athenians died of hunger; those of Samos were submerged by the sea; the Jews were killed and driven from their land they live scattered everywhere. Socrates is not dead, thanks to Plato; nor Pythagoras, because of his statue of Hera; nor the wise King, thanks to the new teaching that he had imparted"
- Flavius Josephus, Jewish Antiquities (18, 63-64), 93 AD, "Jesus lived in this time, a wise man, even if he is to be called a man. In fact, he performed extraordinary works and was the teacher of men who joyfully welcome the truth, and so he drew many Jews and also many Greeks to himself. He was the Christ. Even when, in denunciation of those among us who are the leaders, Pilate had him crucified, those who had loved him before did not stop loving him He appeared to them on the third day alive again, according to what the prophets had foretold about him all this and a thousand other wonders. To this day there is still the genus of those who have taken the name Christians from him." Flavio was born in 37, of a priestly family on his father's side and royal on his mother's side, this means that his relatives had been present during the vicissitudes of Christ, the text however was contested by the genius of Voltaire, therefore . ..
- 1971, prof. Shlomo Pines Hebrew University of Jerusalem, 10th century Arabic codex, the Universal History of Agapius, bishop of Hierapolis, Syria, different version of the passage from Flavius: "At this time there lived a wise man Jesus. His conduct was good and was esteemed for his virtue. Many were those, among the Jews and other nations, who became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not stop following his teaching. They reported that it had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive. Perhaps that is why he was the Messiah of whom the prophets have told marvels.
You've been telling imbecility for 2000 years, please, stop the idiocracy.
Yes it is amazing how the Romans invented this complicated and elaborate Story of Christianity!!!
Look at how elaborate the Greek mythology and origin story became. And then the Romans wrote their own in Latin, just as elaborate, and tied it into the Greek story. There were some very talented and ingenious writers in the Roman court.
This is the only sensible explanation of Jesus I have EVER found.
Look up Ralph Ellis ... he says in his video, this Jesus he talks about is the false prophet of Egypt. Rome changed names and dates to confuse the mass and to wipe out a royal line of which this Jesus is related to Cleopatra VII if I recall, don't quote me but look him up.
Ralph Ellis, on March 6, 2013 at 2:05 pm said:
This analysis hardly scratches the surface. In reality:
The biblical Jesus was called King Jesus Emmanuel.
The historical Izas was called King Izas Manu(el) VI of Edessa.
The biblical Jesus was a King of the Jews.
The historical Izas was a defacto King of the Jews (because his mother, Queen Helena, was the defacto Queen of the Jews).
The biblical Jesus was a Nazarene.
The historical Izas was a Nazarene.
The biblical Jesus was sent away to Egypt for his education.
The historical Izas was sent away for his education, and appears to have visited Egypt and stayed in Jerusalem.
… (his mother furnished the Temple of Jerusalem)
The biblical Jesus’ disciples (Saul and Barnabas) took money from King Abgarus of Edessa, to provide famine relief for Jerusalem.
The historical Izas-Manu’s father was the same King Abgarus of Edessa.
The biblical Jesus was a revolutionary who fought the Jerusalem authorities and the Romans.
The historical Izas was a revolutionary who fought the Jerusalem authorities and the Romans.
The biblical Jesus was captured and crucified.
The historical Izas was captured and crucified.
The biblical Jesus survived the cross (by being taken down early).
The historical Izas survived the cross (by being taken down early).
The biblical Jesus was taken down by Joseph of Arimathaea.
The historical Izas was taken down by Josephus Flavius.
The biblical Jesus wore a Crown of Thorns.
The historical Izas wore a Crown of Thorns.
The biblical Jesus wore a purple cloak (the Imperial cloak).
The historical Izas would have worn a purple cloak (the Imperial cloak), because he wanted to become Emperor.
The biblical Jesus was born under the Eastern Star.
The historical Izas was using the Star Prophesy of the Eastern Star to become Emperor.
…. (you will note that it was Vespasian who took the Star
Prophesy, and used it to become Emperor, as Tacitus and Suetonius confirm).
I could go on, but you perhaps see my point. Jesus was a prince and king of Edessa, called King Izas Manu(el).
And the reason why you have never heard of King Abgarus or King Manu (even though they were very famous historically), is because the Catholic Church has done everything in its power to delete them from history (even though Abgarus appears in Acts of the Apostles in Acts 11:27). This is the unspoken truth, that has remained hidden for nearly 2,000 years – the historical truth that the Catholic Church thought it had buried forever
None of this shows that the flavians created christianity from whole cloth. They wouldn't need to - they just had to assimilate and promote the already existing pacifistic strands of messianism.
The evidence the Flavians created the New Testament literature is excellent and completely convincing IMO. The fact that we have the Josephus literature shows the Flavians capable of creating complicated scriptures to match. Atwill's Theory of the Flavian origin of the Gospels is brilliant and will be studied henceforth by any scholar worth a dime. He has unveiled a mystery that explains away any doubt I might have had about Jesus being a real historical person. Christianity is a complete Flavian fabrication and knowing this is what can set you free.
cameradanblack 1) The Joesphus literature looks like traditional jewish writing, because that's what inspired it.
2) So does the writing of other jews who wrote the books of new testament, because that's what inspired them.
3) Therefore...Joesphus wrote the new testament.
Do you see the flaw in this reasoning?
***** Non sequitur - Literary analysis of the two works of literature show over 40 parallels that occur in the exact same sequence and exact locations. There is no way that that could occur by chance. Therefore one can conclude that the stories are linked. One is dependent on the other or they were created in tandem. The hypothesis that it was the Flavians who created this link is completely sound and logical. Along with the other proofs of Flavian involvement in the early Church cements the fact that the Flavians were the creators of the Gospel literature and therefore the entire religion.
cameradanblack Strawman. No one is claiming the resemblance between Josephus and the New Testament is coincidental.
Parts of the NT are copied/adapted from Josephus, and parts of both are copied/adapted from earlier jewish writings.
I have read it There's an online version at sidneyrigdon dot com
The Flavian hypothesis is just the Piso hypothesis with a few names changed. Most of the evidence and arguments are identical.
Flavius Josephus' "Life" is published between 90-100CE. The Gospel of Mark is supposed to be written in the 70's CE.
In Flavius Josephus' "Life" there is a on story about 3 priests on the cross and the rescue of one of them by Joseph Bar Matthatia (Flavius Josephus).
An other "testimonium" in Life reveals that the youngster (+-14 years old) was already discussing Jewish Law's and Religion.
Supposing (!) that this 2 (or at least one) testifyings are recorded in Mark's
Gospel,
Some possibilities:
- Mark is written using Flavius Josephus' Vita, thus after 90-100CE.
- Mark is written in the 70's CE and the two stories are added to the Gospel
after the publication of F.J.'s Vita in 90-100CE
- "Mark" knew(direct or indirect) the living Josephus .
- Flavius Josephus was the (co)-author of Mark (Maybe a rewrite of an already existing
"Yeshu-gospel" (Yeshu, the ex-disciple of Joshua Ben Perachia)???)
Was it also possible that "Paul" and Josephus, at the age of 25, who was sent to Rome to negociate the release of Essene priest's, met each other at Rome?
In this case there must be have been already a relationship between the Julio-Claudio Emperors and the Helene/Roman minded Jews? (Josephus Bar Matthatia knew Poppea the wife of Nero...)
Florimond Fleerackers - Very possible. If Paul is Saulus Thaddeus Alexander Herod, cousin of Herod Agrippa (therefore, a Roman citizen, released from prison seven times, persecuted the early church, etc.), and Joseph Bar Matthaias is also Joseph Barnabas ("Son of Prophecy"), Paul's mentor in the Acts of the Apostles. And collaborating with Titus Flavius Clemens (Pope Clement of Rome), who is described as a "quick study on the Septuagint," and killed by his cousin, Emperor Domitian, for being a Christian circa 92 CE. I think this theory has numerous merits.
why would clement die for a story they made up
Yes and if my grandmother had wheels she'll be a bicycle. Still all the Apostles ,except St. John died without recanting Jesus had risen from the dead...Still trying to explain Jesus away...Hogwash!
Alex Stewart ... very likely that josephus‘ writings are rewritten and/or „augmented“ by christian forgery.
Scott Ó hÓgáin
You are a very clever, critical thinking man.
There is a verse that APPEARS in the LETTERS OF PAUL that reveals that theology he was advancing about THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST was not accepted by both The ROMANS , nor the JEWS of his TIME. That it was his IDEA that was challenged by both camps: ROMANS AND JEWS. I am going to give you the VERSE and the CHAPTER NEXT.
If this concept was introduced by the Flavian leaders who reigned after emperor Nero, how is that Nero was renown for persecuting Christians by burning them on the cross and feeding them to the lions for entertainment? Just a thought on how this all fits in..
It’s part of the Flavian propaganda, which Blackhirst mentions in the beginning. Our source on Nero persecuting Christians is from Tacitus, who was employed by the Flavian emperors, and he undoubtedly got his information from Flavian sources, if he is not just outright lying in a bid to smear Nero.
If we had any contemporary non-Flavian sources on these persecutions, it could speak against this, but we don’t.
This is great. Nice to hear Rod again. I wish this history would become accepted by the current American Christians. Unlikely!
The thing that escapes us with all historical writings or texts/ inscriptions is context of the time it was dictated. The closer we come to the original context or way of thinking the better we will bww
When the Hellenistical spirit in the Hellenistic times reached the people of the Middle East in today's Israel and all the surrounding areas, then the same thing happened that happened in the Hellenistic times, that is, the Greeks Hellenized another culture, religion or deity, converting a culture or deity to a Greek version of it (so it is not exactly a "syncretism" as some people say) . Under Roman rule even the background is always the Greek world, the Hellenistical spirit, the Greek culture and the Hellenic world - system and philosophy etc upon which the Roman empire stands. But the Romans at some point take Greek polytheism and make it a kind of authoritarian centralized state religion and a religion (while Greek polytheism is not a religion) that serves an authoritarian Roman system, with Caesars etc and God's mercy, monarchy (a kind of polytheistic monotheism with the Sun - God /Sol Invictus) . Christ was Prometheus who resisted the violence of the Roman state who crucified people, in a very brutal way people (this is what the crucifixion of Christ signifies, beyond other things) This creates some texts in the type of ancient Greek tragedy or ancient Greek myths with their parallels as in the ancient Greek myths (these areas were filled with Greek settlements and ancient Greek theaters, which we can find even in today's Afghanistan) and Christ becomes the Crucified like Prometheus in the Caucasus who is also a philanthropist and frees people from Roman oppression - "Tyrant Zeus" who crucifies ppl, when Rome was in decline. The Jewish religion, the old testament is directly Hellenized just by its translation into Greek as it is not just a translation into another language but also carries the corresponding cultural Hellenic burden. Christ himself brings a New Testament, that is, a new religion which is humanistic and human-centered in contrast to the Jewish religion and the Jewish Law / Theocracy, and the doctrinal literalism, the Jewish "Sharia" and frees religion both in this Jewish world and the Roman world from the connection of religion with the law and tyrannical authoritarianism so the state power of that times, so from the Monotheistic "Sharia" (that is also present in Islam) and who that was "slaves"and poor and abandoned and oppressed before their revolt to their Roman tyrants throught the Hellenistical Christ as their Prometheus. There is the emphasis in the Gospels that "the letter dehumanises while the spirit gives life". The whole humanistic style of the Gospels, is away and "against" the spirit of the Priesthood jurification and their "authenticity of the word of the god in the holy texts" , against the religious authoritarianism , with it's humanistic messages and ideas, is the effect of Greek culture on these people of the Middle East. The spirit of ancient Greek tragedy that penetrates these texts is characteristic. The myth of Christ itself is nothing more than another ancient Greek tragedy in the style of the Prometheus myth and the Aeschylian tragedy, etc. These tragedies were performed and known by the people of those regions with the ancient Greek theaters that the ancient Greeks had created. This of course is only one element of the influence, there is influence from every side of the umanistic Greek culture
From there Christianity is born. It has some Jewish core but then becomes Hellenized. That's all
And that's one of the reasons of what I present here, that Christianity has no Sharia - Religious Law and books and a theocratic hierarchical political system to come from and with it. While most religious have, especially at least and in contrast to the other big monotheistic religions. Because Christianity it is a creation of the Hellenic spirit / ancient Greek spirit and world, that there is neither Sharia, and furthermore neither "holy religious books" in the sense of Bible, Quran, or whatever like that or theology. So has a secular and umanistic "anthropocentric" character in it. In Greek polytheism the Gods don't say what political system the humans to have in their societies and their is no specific religious or ethical law , no moralism, in the sense of the after religions. In fact the structure of the stories of Greek mythology has the sperm of democratic ideas and rebellion spirit, freedom spirit in the political level or in general (we see in Greek mythology previous gods to be de - throned by other gods and a kind of meta - physical "dialectics", and we see in the stories of the Greek gods when there is to take a desicion on the things of human fate, to come all together in Olympus in a syneulesis - meeting and talk all together and decide all together about what they will decide to a matter, - well that is like we see a scene of what was happening in the ancient Greek democracies - to disagree and oppose the one with the other , to say their opinions and express their sympathise or dislikes, to make conspiracies the one with the other etc. even if Zeus has the "last word" (in that sense Zeus becomes the Demos, the people, the Polis, the "cosmic order" , the common and final decision of the people of the Polis, the society, that all must respect, even if some they do disagree or dislike, in order not the world to fall into chaos and total anarchy or tyranny. It is so, that in ancient Greek City - Polis these decisions is considered as the "will of the gods" ) But even yet Zeus, is not an "absolute god for ever" he is in danger to be de- throned by Prometheus, as he himself de - throned in the past Khronos from the power and threatens to change fundementally all the cosmic world order. The same happens with other stories with Dionysus and in ancient Greek tragedy etc. So I mean all the freedom spirit, of resistance, of questioning the authorities, of opposition or / and "turning around" , of re - newal, of such tendencies, of an umanism, that it is secular but not yet completely secular but has a sacred character, is already there. It is all this spirit we see in the teachings of Christ, and the Christian mythology, if we transfer them in that specific religious context and place and time, that had those people there. It is the Hellenic spirit that acts in the "underground" , as the substratum , in the Jewish context and in the Roman or Greco- Roman one of that times.
Really enjoyed this, thanks. Great to give some context of what was happening in the world at the birth of Christianity, and how a new (religious) mythology was needed to replace the one of the Romans. I see similarities to certain things which are happening right now (not the Islam thing as talked about here).
Still confused on how greek co existed with the romans . Am i the only one?
Seems way too far fetched. How would you deal with the Pauline epistles?
Paul conveniently leaves out details found in the Gospels (such as Jesus having 12 disciples and being betrayed, or even any of his famous sayings and teachings). Paul would've had reason to mention them, but he didn't because these details of Jesus' story hadn't been invented yet, which debunks the idea they were ever a part of history. Paul's only sources for knowing Jesus was scripture and visions and specifically says that none of what he knows derives from human origin.
In judaism one of the first things you learn is how Paul invented roman christianity.
To me Paul was a Herodian who was an agent for both the Herods and the Julio-Claudians. But he couldn't keep his lies straight. It's difficult to determine if he was preaching a celestial Christ, a Docetic Christ, or a genuinely historical Christ.
and the DNA samples, the DNA samples say Jesus was the son of himself, saw it on on Paternity Court.
Professing themselves wise they become fools
Well, there wasn't a single fact given by Blackhirst that supports the idea that the Flavians actually did produce the Gospels. It's all just clouds of unsupported theory. Sadly for him, it comes to grief on the fact that there were plenty of Christians already in Rome under Nero so the latter was able to scapegoat them for the Fire of Rome. And that was considerably before the Flavians were given power.
Moreover the Gospels were written in koine Greek and clearly destined for the Greeks as potential converts. Not very sensible when you're dealing with Aramaic-speaking Jews who considered Hebrew a divine language and were deeply suspicious of Greco-Roman culture. And it was hardly sensible to try and sell a man as a God, rather than as a Messiah, as that would get up the nose of pious Jews. Anything coming from the Greco-Roman world would have been rejected with the greatest suspicion and disgust.
The Germans as usual used brutal military force and executions to impose their power. The Zealots were so crushed they would not be able to raise their heads again for another two generations. The whole idea of Caesar's Messiah is ridiculous. One of its main critics, and with reason, is Dr Richard Carrier. He says what I've just said here.
typo: Germans = Romans. Sorry. A revealing amalgamation!
And also the New Testament is against Rome and calls it the whore of Babylon.
The Original language of the gosple is very unlikely koine. Rather hebrew, latin, aramaic or koptic.
None of the apostels would have „prepared“ his message in koine greec because of „potential hellenic converts“.
The gospels themselves are the proof; they contain the deification of Flavius Titus whose military campaign is mirrored blow by blow in the ' mission of Jesus ' which starts in the Galilee and then moves gradually south through the Jordan valley to Jericho and Jerusalem. Nazareth did not exist as a town then, but Tiberias was already an ancient city along the coast of the great northern lake in Israel created by the upper Jordan River. Apparently scholars must have this pointed out blow by blow before it becomes clear and obvious to them. Joseph Atwill has already done this and he was not the first person to think of this idea. It has been kicked around for at least a hundred years.
Porphory, And what evidence does anyone have about Jesus Christ? none, it's just another religious aspect of the whole religion idea! Just like Flavian, no proof either way you look at the comparison. He's probably just another made up character from hundreds of thousands of years ago, so there's no proof like you basically said, except on either side of the book!
I have seen an analysis which has Josephus working with Greeks under the Flavians to construct a myth. But I do not understand why no independent records of this type of activity seems to have turned up. Emperor Julianus (Julian the apostate) had Greek scholars pouring over the records in an attempt to promote Hellenism and discredit Christianity and to my knowledge, nothing showed up that he could use. It is true that his reign was centuries removed and was rather short, but aside from internal evidence which is cited from the works of Josephus, where are the other records of this having been done?
Isn't the evidence Josephus works?
Dr. Blackhirst nails it. Roman politics and propoganda formed and shaped Christianity.
Actually he doesn't. His take flies in the face of ancient texts to the contrary. For example, here is a quote from Annals, Chapter 44 by Roman Senator, Tacitus writing about Christ and Christians under Emperor Nero's rule:
But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
I would also urge you to read a book by J. Warner Wallace called Person Of Interest where he sifts through real evidence from history of Jesus, and how he changed the world.
The Greek words for love for a family member, _stergein;_ sexual love, _eros;_ and deep affection, _philia;_ are not used in this verse (Matthew 5:44). Rather the author of Matthew uses *_agapan,_* which Barclay translates as continued benevolence.
[11] Barclay, William. _The Gospel of Matthew: Volume 1 Chapters 1-10._ Edinburgh: Saint Andrew Press, 1975.
Thank you Dr. B. I think I would have liked to have heard a few more dates mentioned and from a few more contemporary authorities.
The only "authorities" are in his head. This is pure bizarre fabrication. And I'm an atheist saying that.
@All hindu converts, listen to this from a western researchers,no convert can or will try to know this!
The 182 thumbs down just got slapped in the face with reason and logic!!
So was I...in coherent account
What logic? He has his modern facts WRONG and that is extremely dangerous.If education in Australia is all like this, no wonder your country is not a world power.
@@CECICEO-cz9ho which facts has he got wrong if you don't mind me asking?
@@cammyjames9917 You got no reply from CECI CEO I note lol
Where I didn't hear any. All made up lies. History proves he is wrong.
I would also add that both the Jews and the Romans were thinking people who understood both insanity and cons.
If I were to say to you this day "I am the way, the truth, and the life. And no man comes to the Father (God) but by me". You would believe me to be either a liar, or insane. Yet because of the signs and wonders, as well as the fulfilled prophecies in all that he did - not only did his followers who witnessed these things know who he was, but also the physician Luke who researched these truths. And these signs and wonders continued with his followers throughout history, but even to this day; as I too have had a pentecostal experience and seen the sick healed and the dead raised to life. "NOT ONLY IS IT ALL TRUE, BUT HE IS QUITE ALIVE, SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER AND CURRENTLY RUNNING THE UNIVERSE!"
The name Maccabee, is that the same name as the book of Maccabees? Is this where the name come from?
The Maccabees were a group of Jewish rebel warriors who took control of Judea, which at the time was part of the Seleucid Empire. They founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 167 to 37 BCE, being a fully independent kingdom from 104 to 63 BCE.
Yes! They are named after Judah/ Judas of the Hasmonian family. Confusingly, “Maccabee” (the Hammer) was the nickname of just Judah but the whole dynasty is named after his nickname.
For me, the Catholic Church ended up in Rome, and the New Testament was written by Romans in perfect Greek. Case closed.
exactly well said🙂
The conclusion that it is a moderate position or reasonable to be obsessed with materialism, conquest, and control is absurd, as that caused the rise of the Messianic movement, the revolt, and that is the core of Roman ideals. To hope that governments today are involved in "that sort of thing," shows that he does not fully understand the implications of said tactics. Is it moderate to force collectivization in order to subjugate and expand? How do you call brutal violent suppression accompanied with cultural manipulation through propaganda and control of media to achieve "consent," moderate or reasonable, or something you hope your government is doing?
The Roman Empire is glorified throughout US history, and we have yet to learn the lesson. 9/11 was just one of the many instances of "pacifist propaganda" meted out by the "Empire." Unite to crush the extremists and have our revenge, and then we will be safe and have peace. And now it is a public health crisis, where our very bodies have become the gold mines of profit.
Got a comb?
No but we have lots of Kool aid
07:39 I seem to recall that the Second Jewish War was the Kitos War in Cyprus and the Bar Kochba revolt was the Third Jewish War.
Very informative! Thank you for uploading!
Didnt teach me nothing
@@BrianH7 cause you brainwashed you don't even know what your worshiping do research on what you worship it's serious!
@@tazamar7668 Sounds to me like you are the fool.
@@BrianH7 No offense...properly stated " it didn't teach me anything" or "it taught me nothing"
Very nice and meaningfull lecture. Thanks from Bangkadesh. I am a muslim and i have roots with this history. May god bless u brother.
Don't the Muslim come from Esau-Edom and daughter of Ishmael (Genesis 36:3)?
@@Psychiatrick That's as pointless as what edition of Marvel Comics Bruce Banner comes from.
just come out and say it already....
What's up with your hair? Is it reverse bed head?
Has everybody forgotten that Rome wasn't the main congregation? How do you explain Asia Minor and all the other places Christianity spread?
They were all part of the Roman Empire.
No they weren't
@@christopherscamper Your level of clueless dumbfuckery is quite astounding. Yes they were moron.
@Djomo Khanasante Another religious half wit heard from.
@Djomo Khanasante Poor deluded rube.
Thanks mate, for the shortist lecture on the scene at the time.
Its amazing how brilliant an analysis one can contrive when you ignore a good number of historical fact. This is exactly the same type of reasoning that advances every crackpot conspiracy theory.
Why would the Romans create a god named Jesus? The Romans already had a god they worshiped named Caesar.
True, they already had many.
@Full Tilt Boogie Amen Jesus is Lord to the praise and glory of God the Father!
And it is in the last days that the Roman Empire will do a false resurrection of a man who will have the spirit of one of the Caesar and they will fool the world that he is the Saviour of the world. But he not because Christ has already came over 2000 years ago through incarnation, human living, crucifixion and resurrection and He is now living in ascension in the heavens, and that He is the life-giving Spirit living within us as the resurrection and life! That the false Antichrist will come from Rome but he will come from below when the true One who is Jesus will descend down from heaven!
@Scott Mcmillan In pagan Roman Christianity it's Easter, in the Judeo Christian faith it's Passover. Pagan Roman Christianity came up with Dec 25th not the Judeo Christian faith.
@Scott Mcmillan The Passover occurred in the spring, not the winter.
Excellent documentary! Thank you very much for this amazing, serious investigation.
What was amazing about it? What was serious about it?
What was a documentary about it?
It was pure fantasy and hallucination, with nothing real substantiating it, only his own crackpot theories.
The only thing amazing about it is if you assert something (Lord Xenu, Body Thetens, etc), some people will believe it.
It doesn't take much for people to give up on Jesus, and their will be many false prophets. Jesus was not religious, Let's not get confused. The Romans invented a different Christianity and "church".. I love my Jesus , and have Faith til I die! I believe in Jesus more than some UA-cam guy that found a theory and ran with it.
Sorry but I have some trouble taking this seriously when there is a glaring misspelling on the title page.
Yes n no Pepsi,not even Kool aid
Did Jesus leave this earth with any earthly riches? Did he leave a bloodline that would benefit from this craze? Were the disciples that travelled the world, lost their lives and are remembered in different places just a fantasy? Did you ever actually read the bible? No, but someone has an awful lot of funds to create a documentary to prove nothing. What a morbid purpose they must have.
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
God is in the word not in pagan Roman temples made by men. Jesus wasn't a fiction, Rome made him into a fiction just like all the bonds, fictional names with surnames that we are fooled into claiming today to be part of an enslaving legal system.
The truth is there is an anti thesis of sheer evil that controls everything with a hidden hand. Secret societies, armies of fools tempted by pride and blackmailed to fight for the most evil entities on earth.
When you create money and own peoples souls you can definitely run the media. Not for just a moment, a minute, an hour but days, months, years and centuries. Look at where the power money flows, who creates it, who benefits from it. Their lies, blasphemy and sins are utterly immense.
Wake up!
Jesus is Lord
So you believe a book that was written by man because they claimed to have dreams and visions inspired by god? Smh I have read the bible many times over go back to genesis where the heavens and the earth was created by god... Now check the Hebrew account of genesis where it state the heavens and the earth were created by the elohim which were in fact the fallen angels. So if you serve the bible you serve false gods whom fell from grace. Seek and ye shall find all your info isn't in a book created to make laws for man to abide by so they control the mass. I'm not here to put anyone down but open your eyes and put in work if your heart desires truth you will find what your looking for.
John was not a contemporary of Jesus. It is pure church dogma. And it looks like the Christians are the ones in the government now, Pence for example, who love money.
@@michaelmancil3356 well if you think you don't cause unease and major problems by breaking commandments for example killing others, hating your neighbour, lying, sleeping around, coveting things that never fulfill you, worshipping idols rulers who continually fool and enslave you, then that's your choice. I realised however archaic these laws were presented to me and others in my life they hold the true values of life.
@@Doriesep6622 Barefoot Prof Pence a Christian? If you say so. If he goes to a church full of pagan symbols and worships idols then that doesn't really tie up with the bible. Jesus said if you love him keep his commandments... don't think it says anywhere that he commanded people to build churches filled with icons and effigies and worship his image. He told people to keep the Word and stay away from the things that will corrupt you.
If you hold up a politician of any preference you are an idolater and these idols will fool you. Only fools continue to buy lies from continual liars. Everyman is fallible.
@@michaelmancil3356 Well said, and I totally agree! I believe there's a Creator of the entire universe, but we don't know what that higher power is, or does. Except create everything the way it's supposed to be made. But worshipping that power, that's never been seen, or delt with by anyone! now I don't believe in that, we're here I believe to live our lives, nothing else. Proof of anything else? nope!
Brilliant assessment and analysis. Naturally you are going to have resistance from the ' zealots'.
Having read many of the comments below, it is hard for me to believe that so many people fall for this.
Indeed. Its easy to say someone, or some "source" said this or that, with out citing sources, any enducated person will find it difficult to take seriously.
Have mfz even googled Jesus name? Blind denial is just as stupid as blind acceptance. Our grandparents has an excuse no internet the information super highway, we donot
@SuperDukka If you could erase this religion many would not have died but every nation that have not embraced this religion killed many more. You still have people eating people in Africa I know because I stay here. Daughters are sold for cattle. Three out of 5 woman are raped. Body parts are used in potions. The amount of sadism in killings is worse than any movie you have ever seen. 6 big men crossing a 4 year-old girl to a kitchen table taking turns raping her infront of a dead mother whose vagina and breasts are cut off and a father who's eyelids are cut off so he has to witness the cruelty. I am not Christian but if you follow the ten commandments and remove those who break them from society so they cant procreate you are left with a much more tame species of human. Look at Sweden before the mass migration. They had to close prisons because of centuries of these values. The Indians of America were vicious canabals and killers before western values became the norm. Asia and India also before Krishna and Budda. Even after that millions were killed under communist rule. Also remember the God of Israel was meant to be the God of the tribe or race of Abraham not other nations and races. The cruelty of this God is justified in the fact that he is only meant to look out for them. Other peoples were seen as barbarians, filth, killers, rapers, animals and had to be destroyed. Also you mention oil. If you look at the last 5000 years and you notice that oil made an impact on only a hundred years oil is very insignificant then and the world is already moving away from it. The 10 commandments pathed the way to abolish worldwide slavery, to put a man on the moon and to enable us to communicate with anyone anywhere instantly. Evil needs to exist so we can choose otherwise without choice and thought we loose that thing which makes us special. We are the only animal with a significant consciousness. Otherwise we would be stupid animals.
Donald Ceronio the God of Jacob Isaac and Abraham who gave us the laws is perfect just like the laws themself if any wish to serve him who is the only God thre is all you have to do is keep his laws but as many just stated none wish too yet call him cruel tribal God who favors only his people but none wish to keep his commandments even his own people he scattered to the wind those people in Israel today are not the true Israelites thre are many credible sources that indicates this
Also God is not the author of confusion the gospel preached by Paul is a lie look into Marcion of Sinope even he said the God of the Israelites the one true God is different from the Jesus doctrine all are 1 in Christ forgive and be forgiven brothers it’s a beautiful concept but I prefer the truth all will be held accountable for thre SINS
Is Julius caesar the same as Titus Falvia?
no
2 different emperors
An interesting and plausible theory, but is there any documentation or other evidence to back it up? If not, then it remains simply a plausible theory, not anything that can be stated as factual or even particularly probable.
Bit like the bible then lol
stephen Gibson - Quite so. I would say that there is a lot in the Bible that is significantly less plausible.
There is none. As creative as people may try to be to deny the existence of Jesus, it becomes difficult to deny ancient history. Here is a quote from Tacitus from chapter 44 of his book Annals writing about Christ and Christians under Emperor Nero's rule:
But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
“They’re a long-lived dynasty”. Flavian Period 69-96 A.D.
It seems a short time. But if you look at the many short reigns in Imperial Rome, 27 years IS a long time.
@@debd353 too true bravo
Thank you for posting this informative video and Namaste
Rome did the same to the Jews and Muslims as they did to my Ancestors, the Celtic and Teutonic peoples....
and then ignorant white christian celts and germanics whether catholic or protestant went around the world doing the same thing !!! Sad , I'm proud of my ancestry also no the christian part though ,, time to turn another page i think
@@alexstewart8097
Southerner correct
SS There’s no biblical designated day of worship, so it doesn’t matter if believers worship on a Sunday or Saturday or any other day.
December 25th has no biblical ties to Jesus Christ so that date is irrelevant to true Christianity.
The celebration of Jesus death and resurrection have nothing to do with an equinox. The very real death of Jesus is being remembered. The death under orders from Pontius Pilate as noted by Tacitus. Biblical Christianity has no pagan ties. Jesus Christ spells the end for all pagan/antichrist beliefs.
Hebrews 6:1 kjv
@@alexstewart8097 they tortured burned and starved your people to get them under Roman Catholic power read some history of your once proud people
Dr. Blackhirst... So what do you believe is going to happen to you after you pass away?
he will be dead bro. don't get fooled
He will go to heaven. When you speak the truth, you need not fear any god, real or imagined.
Hell is not real stop letting Rome fool u 😊
Death is the End that's why people cry like a baby
Interesting theory, but does that mean the content or the context of the Bible is not reliable, especially when the entire book is in opposition to the Romans.
Is the Bible reliable? It's not self consistent so not reliable in that sense. It does mention many things that have later been confirmed such as the Hittites other historical groups so it can be used to source of reliability. Is it reliable as in factual? Not often.
@@myothersoul1953 the Bible is consistent from beginning to end and the narrative doesn't change, IF you read it in Hebrew and in the context of the words as they are written without interpretation.
yes in fact that is exactly what it proves ......the base of Christianity was made in Rome for a reason .... the Romans could see a big profit and crowd control like secular Judaism had on all of its people
One must remember the mostly forgotten influence of Mani and Manichaeism . Mani was born around 200 AD in Turkey and he performed miracles, raised the dead and healed the sick. At one time his church spread geographically from Rome to China. When Marco Polo went to China, the temple to Manichaeism was the largest in the capitol. This vigorous miracle producing faith healer, Mani, was certainly an inspiration to early Christian fathers composing their doctrine.
A great Gnostic teacher. They took his knowledge to form some of their Christian doctrines, then persecuted the Gnostics. Gotta love those early church 'fathers'.
Ahh, playing the 'semi-mythical figures whose miracles cannot be demonstrated to have happened,' shell game I see.
@@funstuff2006 no. just sharing historical facts.
where did you find this at
@@atwaterpub To Atwaterpub
Very interesting to listen to the lecture of this educated man. Gives a historical background to the creation of the "myth" of Jesus Christ and the connection to the Flavian dynasty. I can recommend Reza Aslan's fascinating book: Jesus of Nazareth - a story of the true Yeshua.
"a story of the true Yeshua"?? there's nobody alive that's 2000years old , so how can it be "true"?
lol yeah they created " Jesus" not Yashua. 😉
yes - these peoplle rebell against logos are notorious gnostic - and ramm theis skulls so long against the walls of - we cannot know - search the father.. - we beg him vor superiour knowledge...
till a hologramm appears - with the yashua...
we know these rituals - in all their patterns of behaviour...
their tird eye - on tip of the pyramide of crap and blood - the eye of modor...
its planned to appear...
send the running trees to them....
Yashua was never thought of as a three in one God. He was a human and you wouldn't last ten seconds for calling him a god. You would've been put to death instantly. The Romans created this centuries later
Christianity literally makes no sense when put into the context of Judaism. Google the Moshiach. According to the qualifications for the Jewish Messiah (Moshiach) Jesus could not be the messiah
@Die Cast Racing with Von He's meant to liberate Israel, rebuild the third temple, and then establish peace on Earth (or end of wickedness). To which Jesus did none of these, then died, and everybody said there would be a second coming. Even if we were to say that peace on Earth is an unrealistic aim, the other two weren't even fulfilled by Jesus, and he totally strayed from Judaism. The notion that Jesus is a deity and so is God-the-Father is antithetical to Judaism, which believes in one individual deity.
www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
@@Kevin-zv6ds Walk by faith, not sight.There is peace and joy, and truth in faith. For the things seen were made by the unseen. Jesus absolutely fulfilled the prophets. The suffering servant. 2 Corinthians 13:5. Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the test? 6 And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test.
The best part is how he tries to justify it. "Not much has changed" because the same sort of people are in power.
How do you explain Paul's letters then? They were written 20 years before the Flavians came to power and talk of Jesus the Messiah, his divinity, his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection.
Also, why would the Emperor of Rome support a new religion which asserted one God and the divinity of Jesus rather than the divinity of the emperor. It seems to me like the Roman government would have shot itself in the foot if it had done that.
God almighty, I had to give up after 11 minutes. This tabloid sensationalist theory was going nowhere.
Sam Samuels
AND just WHERE did you plagiarize from??? 🤨
From the comment from Mark Jones 11 months ago!!
@@kimrice6978 Ironic is it not? They all claim to be independent and free thinkers yet they are making a cult out of Atwill and attack anyone who deviates from his conspiracy theory and anyone who questions it in any way!
@Third Eye Jedi what, we should all be third eye jedi's, like you? lol
You brainwashed religious nut jobs are the special kind of stupid, you have stupid, and then there are the special kind of stupid people like yourself.
Delusions are not reality, no matter how hard you want them to be. Grow up and grow a brain.
They really mind fucked you with this mythological religious nonsense.
God almighty, which God exactly are you speaking of, since the human species has INVENTED thousands of them throughout human history.
@@jfphotography69 calm down mate, you'll give urself a hernia. Why are you so angry about faith? I don't fly off the handle about your love of filming kingfishers...lol