@@hyness5417 A lot of people aren't good at Rivals yet, and they know they aren't good at it. Thus the ego of most players is in check at the moment, so dying/losing doesn't make them nearly as mad as it would in a old game like Overwatch. A game that they poured hundreds or even thousands of hours into. It's easy to say that while a game is only 3 weeks old and still in its honey moon phase. I promise you'll be complaining about everything wrong about Rivals in less than a year. Edit because there is dumb asses below: I don't care about Overwatch nor it's future, I am not a " coping " Overwatch player. I just know that a lot of the sentiment around rivals is feelings based and not logical at the moment, especially since it's the big " Anti-Overwatch game " the " based chinese spyware game vs the Overwoke 2 " and so many other factors contributing to it's current standing in the eyes of gamers. I say give it a year before people stop gassing it up so much. But as it currently stands, yes, it's a fun game.
@@muneebow if you create something valuable that the people want, they will flock to it. in this case its marvel rivals. OW just had a monopoly on hero shooters and it was basically the only option you had, not the case anymore.
@@Rayn-117 DL is still not released, not even open access. Knowing Valve it could be many years until we can play it without an invite. Maybe we'll have OW3 by then.
What pisses me off is that Overwatch 1 is gone, wiped off the map and Blizzard adding a 6v6 “mode” in Overwatch 2 is not the same and will not save them. Overwatch as a franchise is dead.
Can't wait for the official blog post about 6v6. Aaron Keller: "Well the 6v6 test wasn't as popular as we hoped, so we're going to stick to 5v5 for the foreseeable future and cancel any other upcoming 6v6 tests."
The 6v6 is actually extremely successful... And it's obvious y'all haven't even tried it... Because it's actually overwatch... If they don't come out and say it was more successful than expected even in light of marvel rivals...I'll be shocked
@@gamerbeast3616 If overwatch isn't dead as a franchise then tell me, where is the TV show? The comics? The youtube short animations? New games? Yeah, nowhere. Get ready to buy your next kirko and mercy skin, because that's all overwtch is now.
Concord wasn't even PS exclusive. It was just a shitty product that seemingly completely misunderstood their target audience. It's actually impressive how hard Concord failed.
Wasn't on Xbox which regardless of your thoughts on console war stuff cutting off one of your biggest players base for a AAA live service game which was specifically planned to tango with overwatch is just terrible
@@rommeldeluna2040Out of all platforms: PC, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, they are the smallest user base. The vast majority of Xbox owners are in NA and this isn't a debate or a random statistic, it's always been this way. Xbox just isn't popular outside of its country of origin compared to the others.
@Chris-dy1cb you know he and everyone is right when its brought up multiple times. It doesn't if this downfall started by Jeff or kellar, the game sinked and no one on the team can figure out how to save it
Thanks for sharing. I was equally appalled at Blizzard's betrayal and ashamed of people like the guy who replied to you, who enjoys lending his girlfriend out to anyone willing to degrade him for it.
every overwatch fan thinks that MARVEL COPIED OW STORY AND YES ITS SO DELUSIONAL IT HURTS BRUHHH MARVEL CAME OUT 1930's U THINK OW 2016 WAS ORIGINAL???
Instead of taking responsibility for lying to the community and robbing their playerbase, they desperately try to justify their place as pioneering a sinking ship. I am glad to see Overwatch crumbling.
People are talking about how hy straight up copied widowmakers entire kit from over being being a sniper with a grappling hook only hey added a sprint and melee weapons. The reaching for everyone in these comments is insane lmao.
.... There isn't even a SINGLE ability that is the same. The grapling hook is a hook to pull someone to you for a melee finish, it doesn't even move you. Are characters not allowed to have a sniper and grapling hook?! Those are literally the basics of a spy/assassin lmao. They don't work the same, the mechanics aren't even close, and gameplay loop too. Please.. do some research before commenting friend. A good debate is healthy, but misinformation isn't
The blizzard cycle: •Make a slightly more accessible game in an emerging market. •Get insane goodwill and following for launch product. •Fans gas up devs and attack anything remotely comparable to it. •Gain a god complex and devs start thinking they know best. •Devs start making terrible decisions, "everybody hated that". •Game starts decline. •Dev triples down, claims you don't know what you want, but they know. •Competitor comes out with product that was inspired by initial game. •Competitor does a lot of what Blizzard fans were begging for, so they leave to play that. •Blizzard starts copying the copy. All the while forgetting why people even liked their game to begin with, borderline resenting what it use to be. Repeat this cycle until the heat death of the universe, and congrats, you know how blizzard operates.
@@jorochimaru and don't forget, THE GOD ALMIGHTY MOBA Genre that BLIZZARD TECHNICALLY GAVE BIRTH to it through their W3MapEditor. And then riot/valve just took the golden egg, hatch it into their own golden goose and then starting printing real estate
Being a support main is actually fun. Being able to keep the whole team alive while putting out a lot of damage has been some of the most fun I've had in a while.
I can't enjoy support in ow, its to easy... same with majority of things like I'm a storm main in marvel rivals when I normally only enjoy flanky dive heros but it turns out I actually enjoy skillful, in depth heros... and overwatch watered down all that and only left the faster heros as skillful and than turned them all up to nightmare mode so now you can either go genji (nightmare mode) or almost anything else (kitty mode)... meanwhile storm feels more skillful than the dive heros in marvel rivals when shes anti dive.. overwatch anti dive is torb and brig.... most brain dead boring hero designs in all gaming and than we wonder why the games so miserable, either youre suffering at the hand of a torb or brig or you're playing these heros and deep inside your soul, you know you ain't putting in much effort which isn't a good feeling either, most people dont actually like being babied...
@@matthewbrears2129 they do, it's just not exicting impact, if you were there dumping heals into your unkillable tank, he would fall over, but your right it feels like you don't because your jobs all laid out before you, just keep that big unkillable dude alive in front of you, it feels like the game relies solely on that tank living or dying so inna way you are the most impactful just its not a fun job, and than the flanks suck so often times you got an easy time dealing with them, in marvek rivals you actually feel like you can be overwhelmed at times but when you make it through being overwhelmed and make plays and decisions that end with you winning, it feels so good in marvel rivals, it's just a more fulfilling gameplay loop in general.
@ no obviously not lol. But you can’t secure kills on your own so if your DPS are worse than their DPS, nothing you can do. Same with tank. Sure, you can do some impactful plays with a couple of heroes, but can’t carry every fight
Marvel Rivals is the best thing to happen for Overwatch players, and the worst thing to happen for Blizzard. Too little, too late. Same with their other IPs like WoW, every season they go back on what makes the endgame fun and then slowly re-tick those QOL fixes to maintain remaining players. Hope they pick up the pace, sucks to see Overwatch struggle.
1 step foward 2 steps backwards have been blizzard design philosophy across all their games for many years it feels like now lol. seems like they intentionally make changes no one asked for, then revert/fix them to later to garner praise and appear as if they give a f. imagine if they just made a good game tho off the rip and didn't do these shenanigans. blizzard games would b so fun
I’m just glad OW is being punished by Rivals. I’ve played for years and it was the best game, but they stripped it of so much that made it good when they did OW2. Glad they’re feeling the consequences
I'll die on the hill that Overwatch's most significant and damaging blunder was NOT establishing a cinematic/serialized universe. Rivals has that advantage that people are just more familiar. Overwatch had that potential but Blizzard completely fucked the IP beyond recognition for short-term gains.
I'm going through a very difficult stage in my life, both emotionally and financially and Marvel Rivals literally makes me so happy. If they made me, a player who heavily dislikes online and PvP, play this game then they did something right and it shows.
I always criticized Your Overwatch and Strylosa for pushing for that bullshit of a sequel and people called me a hater on their streams when I told such streamers that rooting for a sequel was a big mistake. Look at them now, cheering over Marvel Rivals =/
Overwatch is gonna kill itself due to blizzard’s incompetence and the fact that the devs are to egotistical I have never in my 27 years of life met a dev team so prideful to admit they made mistakes .
Unfortunately that is the staple of this company. Even before the lawsuit, 90% of them think their immune to criticism and even today, you have ex employees making dumb decisions to their reputation whole ironically calling out blizzard *hi grumz*
Well I mean from devs who criticized the community for not being hyped over Diablo Immortal (a mobile game), it hasn't been all that surprising watching Blizzard meltdown.
They could have just deleted Brig. Fundamentally broken character and trying to make her fit in destroyed whatever semblance of balance they'd achieved.
We can only hope. The game desperately needs optimization and bug fixes. Those are definitely the most glaring issues, even above the balancing. Still prefer it over OW tho lol
I feel the same way about Roadhog that you do Hanzo. On OW release he was originally a very menacing character. Then they turned him into a "awe so cute" buffoon over the years.
Personally i enjoy both portrayals of hog😂, scary when he needs to be or is pissed off but chilled out and sweet to those that are kind to him like ana
agree. honestly a TON of the ow2 reworks and updates made heroes feel really weird. junk went from a psycho anarchist to a goofyfunny guy who loves bombs, doom went from cool superior leader to weird cringe comic book villian. Flanderization is the word if you are familiar with the simpsons
@@WIZZATHEWIZZA That is personally what I don't like. I know people like my wife do like it, but it bothers me. OW literally can't have menacing characters, they have to undermine every single one of them, Muaga included. They even went out of their way to make Doomfist kind of silly.
@@Zenthe_its this thing where they wanna treat people as if they are kids and police everything we do and like, yet we have the responsibilities of a adult and live in the adult world. It doesnt work. Trying to treat people like they are stupid and babies. Just like how u cant say a single swear word on youtube now, stuff like this, its just disgusting.
Imagine paying money to play OW and Blizzard just goes: "Thanks for the money dipshit, here's a different version of the game that is completely free." Blizzard's marketing tactics were so inconsiderate towards the player that it encouraged them to find something that doesn't exploit then ditch what they love.
There is nothing wrong in going f2p, it was needed, many games like cs and tf2 have done it before. If you arenjust pissed about having to grind for cosmetics now you are braindead and shouldnt be listened to
I mean it was a 6 year gap. It doesnt feel great but overwatch is a multiplayer game your abillity to enjoy the game is directly impacted by the playerbases health.
I loaded into Overwatch 2 and saw that all my achievements in the first game awarded me one pitiful skin worth of gems... I uninstalled and never looked back. And I despised the community for cheering for that pitiful excuse for a sequel. Even went as far to call Your Overwatch out for constantly rooting for Overwatch 2 because they thought the Sequel would fix everything....
@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 Sure, a 6 year gap, but that doesn't justify a lack of care for the player. MR could have also chosen to give less things to the player (having to unlock characters, put all skins behind a pay wall, give 0 possibilities to earn currency to buy skins etc), but all of these things were considered beforehand. The biggest difference between MR and OW is that being a free 2 play in MR feels like it is more than enough to enjoy the game. I don't dislike OW because of what the playerbase feels, I dislike it because the decissions made for the sake of the game were leaning more towards profit and benefiting Blizzard rather than the player.
@@Dafreshcut i mean if you gotta problem with how skins or other things are handlesd thats its own seperate issue. Im not here to defend overwatch 2 I just dont think going ftp was a problem lol.
It's the best possible thing to have happened to Overwatch and the worst thing for Blizzard. They actually need to innovate and bring back some of the old quality to stay relevant.
When people were reviewing concord they were saying shit like “and who wanted another hero shooter?” ME tf that’s why rivals my main game now, hero shooters are not dead
As a hardcore reaper fan I agree with his voice line Overwatch… good riddance. Seriously after playing rivals, not even 6v6 hit the same as it used to. I only played for the avatar challenges but it was a snooze fest. Part of it being season 9 stats but also because I kept getting those terrible clash, push, and capture point maps. Blizzard needs to stop making those and make payload maps. But you know what, too little too late.
Thats what im saying man, i went back to try 6v6 woth my friend and we got 3 back to back trash ow2 maps so i just swapped back to rivals. Really really need a map vote but like u said too little too late
They stripped the game back and lost so much of what made it good in the first place. It’s now just an empty, boring shell of game where no one interacts with anyone else, and it’s just the same counterswap cycle every game. So boring
@@AtvrisLantern you don’t even know it for me. It was like 50 matches to get the 80 games avatar challenge. I kid you not, I got throne of Anubis ,new junk city or illiari’s push map like 20 times combined and the rest of the push/clash maps another 15 times. Only kings row one time and Hollywood never. This was one reason it made the 6v6 test boring.
@@matthewbrears2129 That empty shell is getting filled, the game has improved at lot over the past 2 and a half years. Doesn't mean it's in an ideal state, doesn't mean it's as good as OW1, doesn't mean it's enough, but they are doing more with this game than they ever did with OW1. They are actually improving this game, reworking maps and heroes, revamping the comp system and many QoL changes. Even if you didn't like the season 9 changes, it's still something huge that they never did with OW1. Maybe one day this game will surpass OW1 entirely. Aaron can do that, or he could let this game fall into obscurity and see Team 4 disbanded eventually.
@@aephos.overwatchif they add 6v6 and remove the season 9 stats and all the bad maps and gamemodes, the game can SURVIVE. Thats just survival. For the game to thrive and compete it needs ALOT more. And samito has already told them what they need to do, in 100's of videos. Its up to them.
@@EliteClips23422 not a joke, aesthetics matter. Say what you want about its gameplay but its aesthetics are terrible. Gray, washed out colors with minimal contrast.
My gf and I both have 1000 hours+ put into Overwatch/Overwatch 2. We both felt abused and abandoned by Blizzard, especially when they cancelled the campaign that was the justification for their years long content drought. Marvel Rivals just does everything better, more exciting, and it feels fun and rewarding to play without any P2W bs or FOMO. Never going back to OW.
Blizzard balancing around skin sales is what killed it for me. Mind blowing how they purposely allowed widow to gatekeep and ruin high elo games for the sake of selling a mythic skin and ruin her biggest counter, and then have the audacity not to address it the next season. And this is just 1 example. Kirkio, orisa and mauga are a few other examples too
The sad part is that i really Don't know what overwatch can do to get people back. They are bringing back 6v6, they are even bringing back past metas and abilities. I genuinely think it's too late for overwatch at this point. Rivals does nearly everything better than it and it just started
Samito is right. None of my friend group has ever been remotely interested in shooter games like Overwatch (which I adore). Rivals has brought all of them playing with me and we’re all having a blast! It’s awesome being able to switch up on the fly between roles and to just have classic fun again like the good old days of Overwatch.
Overwatch is no more political than any other game out there. Overwatch simply acknowledges the existence of marginalized groups. That isn’t political, that is a fact of the world that these people exist. “Woke” is used as a scapegoat to when these AAA companies make a bad product.
@@tyrenace6597so wrong, svp rewards someone carrying the team. I got 43 kills still more than the other team combined still lost felt good at least getting svp my team was stupid
Monetization is a issue bro. Some people need stuff to work towards instead of just rank. It can be 6v6 and the best game ever but if there's literally nothing to work towards the game will get old.
I've gotten 800 blue currency from the seasonal missions already, and there's another 800 in the seasonal achievements to get. That's enough to get the most expensive type of skin. If they keep doing this at least once per season. It's better than most f2p games I've played. But there definitely could be more because outside of that, there are just a couple of gold skins and titles for ranked.
@@mintparfait Skin prices are way too expensive to begin with though, 16 doIIars for the cheapest, 26 for the most expensive. You can only buy skins too, if you want other cosmetics you need to buy the more expensive bundles. The challenges + BP doesn't give you much, the rest that you get from achievements aren't easy to get either. They should just remove this currency and allow lattice to be earnable (even if at a lower rate)
52:13 - No, they haven't. Most people have no/neutral opinion on this, and this issue is way infIated. It is sad to see Sam go down this pipeIine, he probably can't even define the W word. I would not say that applies to Blizzard, and I wouldn't say it's their biggest problem even if it does.
Yeah extremely cringe take from Sam sadly. Imagine in the 1960s being like “having civil rights for black people in this story is just too divisive and doesn’t appeal to everyone”
Its sad because if Overwatch 2 provided everything they promised, things would be much different. Marvel Rivals hit it out of the park, and provided me and my friend Group a game to play where we actually have fun now. For the longest we had been going from game to game looking for something that we could all play because the landscape was pretty boring. Glad Marvel rivals got it right. Hopefully their future is bright. Great video Samito!
i'm not overwatch fan anymore, but the only one thing that can kill Marvel Rivals is optimization. Pretty sure there are a lot of people out there facing an FPS issue, . there is a possibility that it will end up like THE FINALS. the graphic and PC requirement asked doesn't make any sense. I haven't played Marvel Rivals for a week.
@@jaded-harper Sorry for the confusion. The graphics in The Finals are beautiful and make sense, but for Marvel Rivals, it doesn't seem as reasonable. What I’m trying to say is that both games are made in a competitive style, yet they require much higher specs than necessary
True! I had to set a limit to 60 FPS to prevent my laptop from shutting down, while playing this game. And there's also that glitch where characters perform worse on 60 FPS than 120 FPS.
I agree man, I have a pretty stout setup... And a 3080 GPU... I gotta run the game on the lowest settings at 1440p to achieve fps high enough to run at my monitors refresh rate (165). It doesn't make sense when the game looks like a comic.
Thank you. The games buggy and clunky too. But… that’s ok right? People are fanboying for this game just as much. Cant critique at all. I’ve never had a game have this much issue on my pc before.
The crazy thing is, is that Aaron Kellar said they're not going away with 5v5 either, if anything it'll be both 5v5 and 6v6. Mfs are dumb as hell man, I swear. Overwatch deserves it's failure
marvel rivals is more of a successor to ow1 than ow2 enough said. thats why people love it. they miss how the game was and netease has delivered it to us.
Marvel Rivals does what Blizzard actually did with Heroes of the Storm and that is what I love about it. HoTS is probably my favorite MOBA of all time. They had the characters from blizzard properties, the kits were fun and more interesting than other MOBAs, the different map pools and map abilities, It has overwatch 1 monetization. Its a shame that it never hit it off and now no longer gets anymore updates. I am happy for Marvel Rivals and I hope it continues to succeed .
My evil want is for the same thing to happen to Pokémon if the next one is no we’re near palworld level. I genuinely dislike how they will willingly slow down the development of games and creative thinking by suing people to the ground. From something they took
I’m very interested how your opinion of this game will change as tbr months and years go on. Because overwatch was the only competitive game you’ve been into it’s easy to understand why you’re so hyped. But as someone who’s played competetive smash for example. It happens all the time. New game comes out. Everyone is hyped. Early meta is extremely aggressive, everything is viable people are having fun. Then as the game progresses, new characters release that need to one up the previous characters to be “cool” and I wildly broken as a result, the game evolves to be so punish heavy that people are afraid to make a move the game ultimately becomes more campy as a result. People lose interest and the game starts to fall off until the next smash game is released restarting the cycle
I think the whole "Marvel Rivals isn't woke" thing is kind of dumb. Marvel is woke. X-men, Captain America, comics in general, all woke and its better for it. I don't think thats a legitimate concern or point of differentiation between Rivals and Overwatch.
None of the things you mentioned here are actually “woke” though, because “woke” just means socially conscious at the end of the day. The way that people like Sam seem to use it is more of a signifier for an overcompensating attitude towards liberalism, which just isn’t what “woke” meant until like 2020 when right-wing Twitter started using it. PS: I also just refuse to use a term started by black people without knowing that black people still use the fucking word. I know, weird, right?
The only thing I’ll give Sam is that in my opinion, Overwatch actively used outing their LGBT+ characters as fodder to make up for the lack of world-building in their lore and character bios overall. That being said, Sam also just needs to admit the lore was dogshit and Blizzard’s cynical attitude was just an extension of that (and capitalism tbh), not some left-wing conspiracy to neuter game devs.
Right? God forbid a man be gay, the whole game is woke political garbage, throw it away. Sam had be shaking my head here, he knows what kind of people he’s gonna rile up by saying that
He acts like non white/non straight characters existing is “political” and talks about “appealing to the most people” but trying to appeal to bigots so you can make more money shows a complete lack of moral backbone.
Rivals appears to have a team that truly understands competition, while blizzard had to be dragged kicking and screaming from their high school field day where everyone gets a participation ribbon. Technically, the OW game framework foundation has the clear edge....graphics engine, netcode, audio code...not miles ahead but clearly a step up from rivals. I don't have much faith that OW team can respond....I think they are too far gone down the DEI path to really have good ideas bubble to the top to even implement. While I certainly don't like that China is giving us Rivals...they also are not burdened with group think.
It's because China is giving us Rivals that it's going to be good. If you think about all the best players from OWL who actually understood the game, they were mostly Korean and Chinese (e.g. Shanghai Dragons, SF Shock had all Korean players except sinatraa and super). This means from a competitive standpoint, they can't really mess up too bad, like the brainless negative IQ blizzard devs who didn't understand their own game. Also, they can't mess up and include DEI into their game unless it's directly from the Marvel universe, not to mention that DEI is nonexistent in China to begin with, luckily.
The DEI shit is so annoying, all the last released heroes are boring and not unique. Just compare the last heroes with the original roster, where the cast was actually diverse (the irony) and unique, and they all looked cool and fun to play without being overcomplicated.
@@Pepe-pq3om exactly. And they all had actual lore that tied in with each other. Every hero in OW2 just has awful design and originality compared to OW1 except Sojourn who was teased in OW1 multiple times anyway imo. Another reason why game is worse is obviously no free skins, but even the paid ones we get there always has to be stuff for Kiriko, Juno, and Mercy (the gooner favorites) whereas even new heroes with barely any skins get new ones.
It isnt the DEI path that ruined the game, its more so just the devs simplely "Dont listen to us." And "Dont want help" And they have far to big egos to accept outside help, cus they know what is "Better" for overwatch. Tracer being gay didn't lead to kiriko suzo or them not nerfing/removing widows one shot.
Lets be fair here the delta issue, the mouse acceleration, the optimization and the game feel and engine is significantly worse. Significantly worse. If they fix those issues then yeah Ill admit its a better game.
yeah thats the only thing holding me back rlly, the ideas and concepts are really cool but the game just feels kinda off? ow just feels so clean and crisp in comparison
Dude talking about overwatch dying is ironically keeping a lot of new channels afloat, also holy hell I’ve never seen something dumber than all the Blackwidow down play. Just shows mfs can’t aim fr.
@@lovedeepsandhu8502 tbf with a damage boost she can and all she needs is some chip damage from someone else, do i think she is good, no, but shes not as bad as people claim, shes just alot worse than the alternatives.
"Woke crowd is attacking Marvel Rivals" this is what people say when they want to bring politics into gaming. Let's not turn Overwatch vs Marvel Rivals into a Woke vs Anti-Woke bs.
there's too much gay shit in overwatch who the fuck was venture and hazard made for I don't see fucking edits of them I don't see them being insanely popular and trending because they're fucking ugly
I have not seen I SINGLE "woke person" complaining about Rivals. But somehow, I've seen dozen of posts saying "the woke mob is angry at Rivals". They are straight up making stuff up.
Give it a couple of months and you'll start seeing players complain about Marvel Rivals and CC will start capitalize on the hate. Marvel Rivals will end up having the same fate as OW in the coming years because hate generates clicks and money. The Devs are not the only one responsible for killing a franchise, the toxic part of the gaming community bare the same responsibility as well.
It's possible that there will be a downward trend but I don't really agree about it having the same fate as ow, like everything that started killing overwatch was a result of role queue issues and blizzard intentionally abandoning the game
Haven’t touched Overwatch since rivals came out. Only thing I think Overwatch has on rivals is tank design. If Overwatch was still 6v6 personally I think tank would be a funner role on Overwatch.
38:31 Nothing but pure facts right here. I have the same exact view on Overwatch's lore. Another character, aside from Hanzo, that got done dirty was Junkrat. Junkrat went from being a complete psychopath to some weird wholesome dude that gets picked on by other characters.
I think of hero shooter fatigue as the same as superhero movie fatigue, we arent fatigued of the genre, just continually bad releases that exist in said genre.
I WANT to reignite my love for OW played it since there 1st beta in 2016. But Rivals is just a better game in every way possible. And gives me the feelings I once had for early OW. All I can do is hope that OW figures it out.
Something that really bugs me about the 6v6 gamemode is that while they nerfed tanks to accommodate for 2 tanks, they didn't nerf the supports (which were giga-buffed for 5v5) and instead they actually buffed some of them (Keep in mind that the DPS passive is only 15% in the 6v6 test, but the fact that they kept the role passives and the S9 health and projectile changes also bugs me). Maybe it's just me, but I don't think LW, a backline healbot should have 90 healing on primary fire AND 75 on Life Grip while also having 275 HP and a 45 hp self-heal. It's just too much. Not to mention, Lamp has more health, Pylon has a lower cooldown, and Suzu's healing and invuln was left completely untouched. OW Devs need to stop catering to the people who don't even like playing the game or just don't like or aren't good at FPS shooters in general.
Two main reasons that it is killing Overwatch: 1) Most importantly, Marvels Rivals used the legacy (real) versions of characters that everyone actually LIKES. Mostly. 2) Second most important, Overwatch sucks.
"Black Widow is a way better designed character than Widowmaker". That's probably why we don't see her in any game. She has absolutely no reason to exist, way too vulnerable and no one-shot ability to compensate with potential high value shots.
I didn't grow up around the Baptist pressure, but did have my time in a Catholic school that cared more about our grades than our faith, that half the boys did drugs, and that we were all way too stressed about stupid time wasting work. Can't make me care about something with skeletons in your closet is all Thank God that experience didn't make me lose my faith, really the best part of Catholic school was going to Church. Amen
"Being inclusive is alientating the casual [white and straight] dudes"- samito 2025 Come on dude, "woke" doesnt exist. Its just a perjorative term that right wingers say because they don't have any actual critique of why being inclusive is a bad thing. Being inclusive didn't ruin overwatch- it actually helped its mass appeal (the poster girl is a lesbian with a pixie cut ffs). It was putting the brakes on content and bringing out an inferior sequel that killed overwatch
Personally, i think it's fine to be inclusive. But that can and does alienate some people. I've dropped books for similar reasons. Some of us are here for a good time. The less political, the better. While others love all the political stuff. Either way, both impact the game and to pretend people aren't being pushed out by certain choices being made, seems just odd
@kamifuujin please could you explain how being gay or non-white is political? There is nothing political about people literally just being born with a particular skin colour or sexuality
Another example of why Rival > OW : Namor Vs Torb design : With Namor ur rewarded for skill shots (headshots) that make turrets go berserk. The design reward being active, not relying on turrets alone . While still being an entry point for more passive player like torb players. Its just better, more fun, more rewarding, higher skill ceiling, learning curve. Its just better
I also like how turrets are on shorter cooldowns and go away faster, so it encourages you to reposition them a lot during fights to keep people guessing and adds more depth to it
Yeah Sam becoming a right winger who thinks only having white/straight people in the game is “keeping politics out of it” is alienating me from his channel lol
So insane to hear him say that. Especially when Tracer and Soldier 76 were gay from the very beginning. I wonder what he says about Eskay when the cameras are off.
@@donovan4222 I think it’s best to see Sam as someone who’s been partially convinced by Blizzard’s actions into looking at this kind of stuff through a cynic’s lens. If I’m being frank, Overwatch’s focus on inclusion was the only time Blizzard ever really promoted their lore beyond the animated shorts with any passion, and I don’t want people to lose that even if it shouldn’t paint their perspective on inclusion generally.
@@vopcracker3193 It’s just sad to see how easy it is for people to go down the right wing talking point rabbit hole from goofy stuff like inclusivity in video games. Someone like Sam should be smarter than that.
@@donovan4222 I completely agree and it’s important to meet people where they’re at, especially in situations like this where the strawman is partially being validated by Blizzard’s greedy corporate intentions. Samito just needs to stop letting Twitter dictate the conversation for him in these situations. If “woke” is a “Twitter thing” like he said, leave it there and just state your damn viewpoint. We all know Blizzard doesn’t give a shit about this game anyway.
Overwatch 2 was honestly the one and only opportunity that IP had to reinvigorate interest, but I've never seen a company completely and utterly disrespect their playerbase and flop so hard consistently after release.
I just hate when people think that Hero Shooter is an oversaturated market. Oversaturated my ass. Gacha is oversaturated, looter shooter is oversaturated, open world RPG is oversaturated, survival genre is oversaturated. There are hundred of games that still actively developed and have a player base, but with hero shooter we have what, 5 games, and half of them on life support.
I'd like to have a bit of discussion around 43:44, I consider myself woke and hate this. It makes more people against our cause and doesn't make people want to look further into why we form these opinions. It also ruins this media by forcing them to spend time developing the characters as just "gay" and many times still pushes harmful stereotypes so that they don't entirely lose their cis and heterosexual audience. And what you said earlier about people not caring about the political messaging of anything is very true and is mostly a flaw in our culture. The best queer representation I've seen is The Boys Season 2(let's not talk about Season 4, they did the exact thing I'm criticizing. and I'm not spoiling anything, watch The Boys it's great), it has a character be outed as a lesbian and the main focus of her story is how corporate media forces her to appear progressive against her own desires. It is a great analysis of how LGBTQIA+ people feel and how they're represented in media to our own detriment. And if anyone is wondering, I don't use Twitter and I'm not a radlib
49:45 You have been lucky enough to not see what happened to Dragon Age: Veilguard, that game is a mess. But also something being woke doesn't ruin it, some of the greatest to come out in the last 5 years are woke and have a lot of woke messaging even if they aren't as obvious. The two that I can think of right now are Ghost of Tsushima and Baldur's Gate 3, but Overwatch, Valorant, and Veilguard do not know how to communicate woke ideas correctly.
@shesholdingcorn I'm with you. Marvel has two things going for it, it has marvel characters, and it has a good structure for a fun game. But with terrible character balancing and no role que, it will fail within a year.
Video was great until the last part. You seem like a cool guy Samito, you should really stop talking about politics with how clearly uninvolved/uninformed you are in it. It's a lot more complex than: "Game has a political message therefore it sucks." Overwatch was political from day 1 and you seemed to like it back then.
Hey I played overwatch up until the very end it wasn’t some kind of “deal breaker” for me, I’m more so referring to how other people might see it Also not to be rude but if you want to try and get people to better understand your viewpoint, ridiculing them and calling them uninformed isn’t gonna work
@@SamitoFPS My apologies, uninformed was definitely the wrong word. What I was trying to refer to was how you called overwatch "woke"(a word that tbh doesn't mean anything) in it's recent actions, despite it doing nothing of note it hasn't been doing for years, like directly confirming tracer and soldier to be gay years ago, and venture as nonbinary more recently.
I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is saying rivals is better than ow. Better run maybe, but ow is a way better game imo. I feel like this is just people hating blizzard and using rivals as a way to jab at the company even tho the game is very good. Its poorly balanced but it's still Overwatch. Rivals is fun but I don't think it's anywhere near being an overwatch killer as people call it. It's just another fun game in the same catagory.
For the hate they have for Overwatch they can’t stop themselves from bringing it up everytime they play rivals. I swear you can’t go through a stream of MR without hearing about how Overwatch is bad.
I agree with pretty much all of what Samito & Bellular are saying here, but I gotta say as a straight dude (also black, lol) - OW making characters that are part of the LGBT+ community is NOT a "political" thing. Someone's sexual orientation isn't a political thing, especially a fictional character's. It's frustrating to see people continue to act like it is. Do certain parties stand for certain "values"? Sure. But, that still doesn't make someone's identity "political". Now, is it necessary? I don't necessarily think so. But, it's creative license. However, I'm wondering if Blizzard did it to tick a box or if they did it to add additional interesting backgrounds to some of their characters. The later it's gotten, it feels like a box check and also something to help people feel "seen". You can have your own opinion on that. As a black person, I enjoy seeing games that have a black lead, but I want the games to be good. I'm sure people in the LGBT+ community feel the same about people that are like them. With that being said, that's not why OW fell off. The game fell off because they stopped doing the things that made the game, its heroes & its world interesting. They fucked up, man. We all know it. Has nothing to do with "woke" with or "woke" that. I know Sam didn't say anything about "woke" but he responded to someone that did & that guy was a clown, lol. Edit: Sam DID mention "woke" stuff being in OW or what is considered "woke" and I think it's clear that OW has gone that route. That personally doesn't bother me. I have people in my community that are gay, lesbian, trans, bi or whatever. But, I know plenty of people in my area who are very against that. I just wish people would accept one another. But, again, that isn't what killed OW. If it had any effect, it was marginal. Edit #2: Sam cooked on his COD take. I think that's something that we ALL agree with. Activision/COD are absolute idiots. As soon as someone REALLY wants to take on COD & delivers a great product, it's over for COD. May come from China, just like Rivals.
You keep saying you're done with OW (that you're having too much fun with Rivals to think about it), and yet you keep bringing it up Just an observation
Yeah, i just had a talk with someone in a Marvel lobby. He was, yeah, i couldn't really get into overwatch, but something about Marvel Rivals is really enjoying. I was like yeah man not getting into overwatch was the best thing. The game broke so many of us with blizzard decisions.
You don’t know how much I appreciate the fact that he shouted out the Ultimate Spider-Man comic series. I had comics given to me as gifts but it was that comic that made Spider-Man shoot up as my #1 hero before the 1st Sam Raimi came out and made me actively start collecting comics on my own.
Unlike with Overwatch, I still feel like living after playing a few matches of Rivals
😂 fr it's soul crushing
^^^thisssss
I don’t feel like I wanna kms after a losing streak on rivals, but on Overwatch 😭😭😭
playing 5v5 is soul crushing and boring asf idk how OW2 shills say its fun coz it aint
@@hyness5417 A lot of people aren't good at Rivals yet, and they know they aren't good at it. Thus the ego of most players is in check at the moment, so dying/losing doesn't make them nearly as mad as it would in a old game like Overwatch. A game that they poured hundreds or even thousands of hours into. It's easy to say that while a game is only 3 weeks old and still in its honey moon phase. I promise you'll be complaining about everything wrong about Rivals in less than a year.
Edit because there is dumb asses below: I don't care about Overwatch nor it's future, I am not a " coping " Overwatch player. I just know that a lot of the sentiment around rivals is feelings based and not logical at the moment, especially since it's the big " Anti-Overwatch game " the " based chinese spyware game vs the Overwoke 2 " and so many other factors contributing to it's current standing in the eyes of gamers. I say give it a year before people stop gassing it up so much. But as it currently stands, yes, it's a fun game.
😅😅😂.
There is no oversaturation. Overwatch literally had a monopoly until Rivals came out.
As they say. If you build it they will come.
What do you mean by your last statement? If you built it they will come? Explain 😅
@@muneebow if you create something valuable that the people want, they will flock to it. in this case its marvel rivals. OW just had a monopoly on hero shooters and it was basically the only option you had, not the case anymore.
ikr. until deadlock and MR came out five seconds ago Blizzard could have farmed as being the only ones to have a large hero shooter on the market
ah reminds me of field of dreams
@@Rayn-117 DL is still not released, not even open access. Knowing Valve it could be many years until we can play it without an invite. Maybe we'll have OW3 by then.
What pisses me off is that Overwatch 1 is gone, wiped off the map and Blizzard adding a 6v6 “mode” in Overwatch 2 is not the same and will not save them. Overwatch as a franchise is dead.
Can't wait for the official blog post about 6v6.
Aaron Keller: "Well the 6v6 test wasn't as popular as we hoped, so we're going to stick to 5v5 for the foreseeable future and cancel any other upcoming 6v6 tests."
overwatch is not dead as a franchise keep haiting
The 6v6 is actually extremely successful... And it's obvious y'all haven't even tried it... Because it's actually overwatch... If they don't come out and say it was more successful than expected even in light of marvel rivals...I'll be shocked
@@gamerbeast3616haiting 😂
@@gamerbeast3616 If overwatch isn't dead as a franchise then tell me, where is the TV show? The comics? The youtube short animations? New games? Yeah, nowhere. Get ready to buy your next kirko and mercy skin, because that's all overwtch is now.
pvz garden warfare 1 was the pinnacle of hero shooters
so fun
Tbh 2 is kinda just the same but better, unless you like the fucking cheeto collab for whatever reason
I feel like thats never really talked about, but it was fun
2 is literally just 1 but better and that's coming from someone who grew up on the first one.
Man, those games in general were great. It's a shame that they basically abandoned them.
Concord wasn't even PS exclusive. It was just a shitty product that seemingly completely misunderstood their target audience. It's actually impressive how hard Concord failed.
Wasn't on Xbox which regardless of your thoughts on console war stuff cutting off one of your biggest players base for a AAA live service game which was specifically planned to tango with overwatch is just terrible
@@justindemont6062 Xbox literally doesn't matter. They're a small fraction of the overall user base. It would have flopped no matter what they did.
@@sindri1447if you think the Xbox is a “small faction” you’re crazy 😂💀
@@rommeldeluna2040Out of all platforms: PC, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, they are the smallest user base. The vast majority of Xbox owners are in NA and this isn't a debate or a random statistic, it's always been this way. Xbox just isn't popular outside of its country of origin compared to the others.
@@rommeldeluna2040 I'm right though. You may not like it but statistically Xbox is the smallest market.
overwatch died 5 years ago when they halted updates for 2 years and released a half finished game
aight lil bro thanks for reiterating the same opinion the community has had for years.
@@Chris-dy1cbYou’d be surprised, this needs to be repeated for the morons I see on Twitter daily.
@@Chris-dy1cb dont say lil bro when you're 14 years old
@Chris-dy1cb you know he and everyone is right when its brought up multiple times. It doesn't if this downfall started by Jeff or kellar, the game sinked and no one on the team can figure out how to save it
Thanks for sharing. I was equally appalled at Blizzard's betrayal and ashamed of people like the guy who replied to you, who enjoys lending his girlfriend out to anyone willing to degrade him for it.
I have already hit gm2 on rivals and want to keep playing my desire to play overwatch is fully gone
Based wide Hammond pfp
Same gm3 dps on 2 acc and I csnt stop playing this game
Yeah I climbed to gm super fast in rivals too but while in ow im hardstuck plat
Nah fr
Its for children and third person helps that. Massive hitboxes.@hillwoop9101
Rivals isnt killing overwatch, overwatch killed overwatch.
If that were true, people wouldn't have taken this long to make a comparable quality game.
Final nail in the coffin
IT'S ME, BLIZZARD! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BLIZZARD!
does blizzard forget that black widow has been a character since like... the 60s.
every overwatch fan thinks that MARVEL COPIED OW STORY
AND YES ITS SO DELUSIONAL IT HURTS BRUHHH
MARVEL CAME OUT 1930's U THINK OW 2016 WAS ORIGINAL???
Instead of taking responsibility for lying to the community and robbing their playerbase, they desperately try to justify their place as pioneering a sinking ship. I am glad to see Overwatch crumbling.
People are talking about how hy straight up copied widowmakers entire kit from over being being a sniper with a grappling hook only hey added a sprint and melee weapons.
The reaching for everyone in these comments is insane lmao.
@@Angry-Skeleton
Oh dang every person with a sniper and Grappling hook is a widowmaker copy!!?!?!
That's such a unique set!
....
There isn't even a SINGLE ability that is the same.
The grapling hook is a hook to pull someone to you for a melee finish, it doesn't even move you.
Are characters not allowed to have a sniper and grapling hook?! Those are literally the basics of a spy/assassin lmao.
They don't work the same, the mechanics aren't even close, and gameplay loop too.
Please.. do some research before commenting friend.
A good debate is healthy, but misinformation isn't
The blizzard cycle:
•Make a slightly more accessible game in an emerging market.
•Get insane goodwill and following for launch product.
•Fans gas up devs and attack anything remotely comparable to it.
•Gain a god complex and devs start thinking they know best.
•Devs start making terrible decisions, "everybody hated that".
•Game starts decline.
•Dev triples down, claims you don't know what you want, but they know.
•Competitor comes out with product that was inspired by initial game.
•Competitor does a lot of what Blizzard fans were begging for, so they leave to play that.
•Blizzard starts copying the copy. All the while forgetting why people even liked their game to begin with, borderline resenting what it use to be.
Repeat this cycle until the heat death of the universe, and congrats, you know how blizzard operates.
So true, look at WoW then they let FFXIV come and dominate. Diablo and now PoE came and dominates. Now OW and Marvel Rivals is dominating
@@jorochimaru and don't forget, THE GOD ALMIGHTY MOBA Genre that BLIZZARD TECHNICALLY GAVE BIRTH to it through their W3MapEditor. And then riot/valve just took the golden egg, hatch it into their own golden goose and then starting printing real estate
Being a support main is actually fun. Being able to keep the whole team alive while putting out a lot of damage has been some of the most fun I've had in a while.
I can't enjoy support in ow, its to easy... same with majority of things like I'm a storm main in marvel rivals when I normally only enjoy flanky dive heros but it turns out I actually enjoy skillful, in depth heros... and overwatch watered down all that and only left the faster heros as skillful and than turned them all up to nightmare mode so now you can either go genji (nightmare mode) or almost anything else (kitty mode)... meanwhile storm feels more skillful than the dive heros in marvel rivals when shes anti dive.. overwatch anti dive is torb and brig.... most brain dead boring hero designs in all gaming and than we wonder why the games so miserable, either youre suffering at the hand of a torb or brig or you're playing these heros and deep inside your soul, you know you ain't putting in much effort which isn't a good feeling either, most people dont actually like being babied...
@@Voyeur-i6g support in OW is easy, but has absolutely no impact on the outcome of matches lol
@@matthewbrears2129 they do, it's just not exicting impact, if you were there dumping heals into your unkillable tank, he would fall over, but your right it feels like you don't because your jobs all laid out before you, just keep that big unkillable dude alive in front of you, it feels like the game relies solely on that tank living or dying so inna way you are the most impactful just its not a fun job, and than the flanks suck so often times you got an easy time dealing with them, in marvek rivals you actually feel like you can be overwhelmed at times but when you make it through being overwhelmed and make plays and decisions that end with you winning, it feels so good in marvel rivals, it's just a more fulfilling gameplay loop in general.
@@matthewbrears2129 are you a heal bot?
@ no obviously not lol. But you can’t secure kills on your own so if your DPS are worse than their DPS, nothing you can do. Same with tank. Sure, you can do some impactful plays with a couple of heroes, but can’t carry every fight
Marvel Rivals is the best thing to happen for Overwatch players, and the worst thing to happen for Blizzard. Too little, too late. Same with their other IPs like WoW, every season they go back on what makes the endgame fun and then slowly re-tick those QOL fixes to maintain remaining players. Hope they pick up the pace, sucks to see Overwatch struggle.
LOL nah you clearly don't know how big fuck ups blizzard is. The worst thing to happen to blizzard was to give the rights of Dota away 😂
1 step foward 2 steps backwards have been blizzard design philosophy across all their games for many years it feels like now lol. seems like they intentionally make changes no one asked for, then revert/fix them to later to garner praise and appear as if they give a f. imagine if they just made a good game tho off the rip and didn't do these shenanigans. blizzard games would b so fun
I’m just glad OW is being punished by Rivals. I’ve played for years and it was the best game, but they stripped it of so much that made it good when they did OW2. Glad they’re feeling the consequences
They get what they deserve... OW was gone the moment they gave us 5v5 then gas light us into thinking it was better
I'll die on the hill that Overwatch's most significant and damaging blunder was NOT establishing a cinematic/serialized universe.
Rivals has that advantage that people are just more familiar. Overwatch had that potential but Blizzard completely fucked the IP beyond recognition for short-term gains.
I'm going through a very difficult stage in my life, both emotionally and financially and Marvel Rivals literally makes me so happy. If they made me, a player who heavily dislikes online and PvP, play this game then they did something right and it shows.
Wishing you a great new year man 🙏
You got this bro. Peace and love
Wishing you the best!
how hell this game makes you happy when everyone is toxic and trash at the game
@@ArmedandDangerous918 haven't seen much toxicity sounds like you might be the common denominator 💀
"Overwatch is vulnerable"
Marvel rivals: can you bleed
"If you can make God bleed, people will cease to believe in him."
Blizzard was already killing overwatch themselves before rivals come along 😂
Rivals is the final nails in the coffin.
I always criticized Your Overwatch and Strylosa for pushing for that bullshit of a sequel and people called me a hater on their streams when I told such streamers that rooting for a sequel was a big mistake. Look at them now, cheering over Marvel Rivals =/
I quit right before lifeweaver dropped 5v5 is way to oppressive!!
Overwatch is gonna kill itself due to blizzard’s incompetence and the fact that the devs are to egotistical I have never in my 27 years of life met a dev team so prideful to admit they made mistakes .
Then check Warframe. Those devs are amazing and constantly making the game better.
Unfortunately that is the staple of this company. Even before the lawsuit, 90% of them think their immune to criticism and even today, you have ex employees making dumb decisions to their reputation whole ironically calling out blizzard *hi grumz*
Well I mean from devs who criticized the community for not being hyped over Diablo Immortal (a mobile game), it hasn't been all that surprising watching Blizzard meltdown.
It was a blessing and a curse. Nowadays more of a curse.
They could have just deleted Brig. Fundamentally broken character and trying to make her fit in destroyed whatever semblance of balance they'd achieved.
Saying Rivals killed OW is like saying you shot someone that was already in the grave.
It put nails in the coffin
Marvel Rivals is what Overwatch 2 should have been. Overwatch fell off over time, Marvel Rivals will get better over time
What pisses me off is that I can’t go back and play overwatch 1 the game that I paid money for no longer exists
overwatch 2 will aslo get better over time
@gamerbeast3616 sure because thats what's been happening the past 2 years. Dude didn't watch the video
@@gamerbeast3616 no it wont?
We can only hope. The game desperately needs optimization and bug fixes. Those are definitely the most glaring issues, even above the balancing.
Still prefer it over OW tho lol
I feel the same way about Roadhog that you do Hanzo.
On OW release he was originally a very menacing character.
Then they turned him into a "awe so cute" buffoon over the years.
Personally i enjoy both portrayals of hog😂, scary when he needs to be or is pissed off but chilled out and sweet to those that are kind to him like ana
thissss I fucking hate hate hate ee these politicssss they're shoving this shit in your face
agree. honestly a TON of the ow2 reworks and updates made heroes feel really weird. junk went from a psycho anarchist to a goofyfunny guy who loves bombs, doom went from cool superior leader to weird cringe comic book villian. Flanderization is the word if you are familiar with the simpsons
@@WIZZATHEWIZZA That is personally what I don't like. I know people like my wife do like it, but it bothers me. OW literally can't have menacing characters, they have to undermine every single one of them, Muaga included. They even went out of their way to make Doomfist kind of silly.
@@Zenthe_its this thing where they wanna treat people as if they are kids and police everything we do and like, yet we have the responsibilities of a adult and live in the adult world. It doesnt work. Trying to treat people like they are stupid and babies. Just like how u cant say a single swear word on youtube now, stuff like this, its just disgusting.
Imagine paying money to play OW and Blizzard just goes: "Thanks for the money dipshit, here's a different version of the game that is completely free." Blizzard's marketing tactics were so inconsiderate towards the player that it encouraged them to find something that doesn't exploit then ditch what they love.
There is nothing wrong in going f2p, it was needed, many games like cs and tf2 have done it before. If you arenjust pissed about having to grind for cosmetics now you are braindead and shouldnt be listened to
I mean it was a 6 year gap. It doesnt feel great but overwatch is a multiplayer game your abillity to enjoy the game is directly impacted by the playerbases health.
I loaded into Overwatch 2 and saw that all my achievements in the first game awarded me one pitiful skin worth of gems... I uninstalled and never looked back. And I despised the community for cheering for that pitiful excuse for a sequel. Even went as far to call Your Overwatch out for constantly rooting for Overwatch 2 because they thought the Sequel would fix everything....
@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 Sure, a 6 year gap, but that doesn't justify a lack of care for the player. MR could have also chosen to give less things to the player (having to unlock characters, put all skins behind a pay wall, give 0 possibilities to earn currency to buy skins etc), but all of these things were considered beforehand. The biggest difference between MR and OW is that being a free 2 play in MR feels like it is more than enough to enjoy the game. I don't dislike OW because of what the playerbase feels, I dislike it because the decissions made for the sake of the game were leaning more towards profit and benefiting Blizzard rather than the player.
@@Dafreshcut i mean if you gotta problem with how skins or other things are handlesd thats its own seperate issue. Im not here to defend overwatch 2 I just dont think going ftp was a problem lol.
5v5 was the way guys huurr durrr
Buh Buh Buh QUEUE TIMESZZ!!!11!!
Rose tinted glasses!! Nostalgia
!!!
Rose tinted glasses 🥴
It is...
Role q is the way guys huurrr durrr it took me 20 minutes to find a match but at least I got a Healer that didn't like being Healer
letting u guys know, its better to have both these games existing. competition is good for games.
It's the best possible thing to have happened to Overwatch and the worst thing for Blizzard. They actually need to innovate and bring back some of the old quality to stay relevant.
@@Alvarocious yeah they got some work to do for sure. i hope they do it so i can play both games and have fun doing it
Yeah marvel rivals is such good competition for overwatch i really hope it does kick blizzard enough to make them put alot more effort in overwatch
If Rivals truly kills Overwatch, then Rivals will be the new Overwatch. And that should be terrifying for Blizzard haters lol.
When people were reviewing concord they were saying shit like “and who wanted another hero shooter?” ME tf that’s why rivals my main game now, hero shooters are not dead
As a hardcore reaper fan I agree with his voice line
Overwatch… good riddance.
Seriously after playing rivals, not even 6v6 hit the same as it used to. I only played for the avatar challenges but it was a snooze fest. Part of it being season 9 stats but also because I kept getting those terrible clash, push, and capture point maps. Blizzard needs to stop making those and make payload maps. But you know what, too little too late.
Thats what im saying man, i went back to try 6v6 woth my friend and we got 3 back to back trash ow2 maps so i just swapped back to rivals. Really really need a map vote but like u said too little too late
They stripped the game back and lost so much of what made it good in the first place. It’s now just an empty, boring shell of game where no one interacts with anyone else, and it’s just the same counterswap cycle every game. So boring
@@AtvrisLantern you don’t even know it for me. It was like 50 matches to get the 80 games avatar challenge. I kid you not, I got throne of Anubis ,new junk city or illiari’s push map like 20 times combined and the rest of the push/clash maps another 15 times. Only kings row one time and Hollywood never.
This was one reason it made the 6v6 test boring.
@@matthewbrears2129 That empty shell is getting filled, the game has improved at lot over the past 2 and a half years. Doesn't mean it's in an ideal state, doesn't mean it's as good as OW1, doesn't mean it's enough, but they are doing more with this game than they ever did with OW1.
They are actually improving this game, reworking maps and heroes, revamping the comp system and many QoL changes. Even if you didn't like the season 9 changes, it's still something huge that they never did with OW1.
Maybe one day this game will surpass OW1 entirely. Aaron can do that, or he could let this game fall into obscurity and see Team 4 disbanded eventually.
@@aephos.overwatchif they add 6v6 and remove the season 9 stats and all the bad maps and gamemodes, the game can SURVIVE. Thats just survival. For the game to thrive and compete it needs ALOT more. And samito has already told them what they need to do, in 100's of videos. Its up to them.
I literally unistalled it yesterday. DONE with it...after I picked up rivals...i cant stop playing it. Overwatch is DONE.
Also having hero bans gives data to the devs on what heroes are overpowered or not enjoyable to play against directly from the players.
Exactly. Why not let the players do the dirty work for you? (I don't mean that negatively btw, every industry has dirty work).
Rivals is absolutely amazing.
Glad blizzard is finally realizing, that being lazy is not gonna make it better.
Marvel Rivals doesn't have spammable voice lines like Overwatch, it doesn't stand a chance
I just spam hello and thank you lol
Ohh yea cuz spammable voicelines make or break a game 😂, what r u ? 8years old ffs.
AND DEY SAY
AND DEY SAY
AND DEY SAY
I hope this is a joke lol
@@EliteClips23422 not a joke, aesthetics matter. Say what you want about its gameplay but its aesthetics are terrible. Gray, washed out colors with minimal contrast.
A big plus about Rivals is actual good looking character. Tell Venture to stay hidden under a rock
Bro can’t play game unless the character makes his dick tingle. Get help
You must hate rivals then since Groot is so ugly
Bro can’t play games unless the character makes his dick tingle. Get help
@@donovan4222I am groot?
@@kamifuujin typical woke game making characters trees 😡
Character assassination of Hanzo and many others definitely is another problem that will never be addressed.
Marvel rivals isn’t killing overwatch, overwatch did it to themselves a while ago, marvel rivals is just sealing the fate
My gf and I both have 1000 hours+ put into Overwatch/Overwatch 2. We both felt abused and abandoned by Blizzard, especially when they cancelled the campaign that was the justification for their years long content drought. Marvel Rivals just does everything better, more exciting, and it feels fun and rewarding to play without any P2W bs or FOMO. Never going back to OW.
Abused might be excessive 😂
Blizzard balancing around skin sales is what killed it for me. Mind blowing how they purposely allowed widow to gatekeep and ruin high elo games for the sake of selling a mythic skin and ruin her biggest counter, and then have the audacity not to address it the next season. And this is just 1 example. Kirkio, orisa and mauga are a few other examples too
The sad part is that i really Don't know what overwatch can do to get people back. They are bringing back 6v6, they are even bringing back past metas and abilities. I genuinely think it's too late for overwatch at this point. Rivals does nearly everything better than it and it just started
how marvel can continue to succeed: do not listen to overwatch players’ suggestions.
overwatch didn't listen to overwatch players suggestions
It's great to not have to care what's going on with ow anymore. They'll either fix it or it will die, and I honestly don't care which one happens.
I hope someone turns aaron keller into the next Brian Thompson
I was so hooked up on Marvel Rivals I honestly forgot Overwatch even existed
Samito is right. None of my friend group has ever been remotely interested in shooter games like Overwatch (which I adore). Rivals has brought all of them playing with me and we’re all having a blast! It’s awesome being able to switch up on the fly between roles and to just have classic fun again like the good old days of Overwatch.
Overwatch is no more political than any other game out there. Overwatch simply acknowledges the existence of marginalized groups. That isn’t political, that is a fact of the world that these people exist. “Woke” is used as a scapegoat to when these AAA companies make a bad product.
The best part about the game is the svp system. How is this not in overwatch? Not losing points if you perform well is a game changer.
YESSS!!!!
The reason why it’s not in overwatch is because overwatch is competitive and marvel rivals is not
@@tyrenace6597so wrong, svp rewards someone carrying the team. I got 43 kills still more than the other team combined still lost felt good at least getting svp my team was stupid
Monetization is a issue bro. Some people need stuff to work towards instead of just rank. It can be 6v6 and the best game ever but if there's literally nothing to work towards the game will get old.
I've gotten 800 blue currency from the seasonal missions already, and there's another 800 in the seasonal achievements to get. That's enough to get the most expensive type of skin. If they keep doing this at least once per season. It's better than most f2p games I've played.
But there definitely could be more because outside of that, there are just a couple of gold skins and titles for ranked.
@@mintparfait I'm definitely keeping my hopes low for that to avoid disappointment lol
@@mintparfait Skin prices are way too expensive to begin with though, 16 doIIars for the cheapest, 26 for the most expensive. You can only buy skins too, if you want other cosmetics you need to buy the more expensive bundles. The challenges + BP doesn't give you much, the rest that you get from achievements aren't easy to get either. They should just remove this currency and allow lattice to be earnable (even if at a lower rate)
52:13 - No, they haven't. Most people have no/neutral opinion on this, and this issue is way infIated. It is sad to see Sam go down this pipeIine, he probably can't even define the W word. I would not say that applies to Blizzard, and I wouldn't say it's their biggest problem even if it does.
Yeah extremely cringe take from Sam sadly. Imagine in the 1960s being like “having civil rights for black people in this story is just too divisive and doesn’t appeal to everyone”
Its sad because if Overwatch 2 provided everything they promised, things would be much different. Marvel Rivals hit it out of the park, and provided me and my friend Group a game to play where we actually have fun now. For the longest we had been going from game to game looking for something that we could all play because the landscape was pretty boring. Glad Marvel rivals got it right. Hopefully their future is bright. Great video Samito!
i'm not overwatch fan anymore, but the only one thing that can kill Marvel Rivals is optimization. Pretty sure there are a lot of people out there facing an FPS issue, . there is a possibility that it will end up like THE FINALS. the graphic and PC requirement asked doesn't make any sense. I haven't played Marvel Rivals for a week.
dont think the finals had quite as bad optimization in my experience tho. rivals runs like trash in comparison for me
@@jaded-harper Sorry for the confusion. The graphics in The Finals are beautiful and make sense, but for Marvel Rivals, it doesn't seem as reasonable. What I’m trying to say is that both games are made in a competitive style, yet they require much higher specs than necessary
True! I had to set a limit to 60 FPS to prevent my laptop from shutting down, while playing this game. And there's also that glitch where characters perform worse on 60 FPS than 120 FPS.
I agree man, I have a pretty stout setup... And a 3080 GPU... I gotta run the game on the lowest settings at 1440p to achieve fps high enough to run at my monitors refresh rate (165). It doesn't make sense when the game looks like a comic.
Thank you. The games buggy and clunky too. But… that’s ok right? People are fanboying for this game just as much. Cant critique at all. I’ve never had a game have this much issue on my pc before.
The crazy thing is, is that Aaron Kellar said they're not going away with 5v5 either, if anything it'll be both 5v5 and 6v6. Mfs are dumb as hell man, I swear. Overwatch deserves it's failure
to add to how rivals is better for content creators, it being 3rd person helps a LOTTT from a viewshiper perspective way less confusing
marvel rivals is more of a successor to ow1 than ow2 enough said. thats why people love it. they miss how the game was and netease has delivered it to us.
Marvel Rivals does what Blizzard actually did with Heroes of the Storm and that is what I love about it. HoTS is probably my favorite MOBA of all time. They had the characters from blizzard properties, the kits were fun and more interesting than other MOBAs, the different map pools and map abilities, It has overwatch 1 monetization. Its a shame that it never hit it off and now no longer gets anymore updates. I am happy for Marvel Rivals and I hope it continues to succeed .
Rivals is way more fun. And I like you can actually see the skins you buy. I am a man of culture and bought the Psylocke skin, of course. 👌
im not a gooner... BUT
overwatch is literally dying it was at 22k concurrent on steam charts oh my god
Hanzo: "YOU WERE A FOOL FOR BELIEVING IT SO!!🗣🔥"
“Overwatch 1 was the last game of golden era games.”
I’m 27, I feel this so fucking hard bro lol
My evil want is for the same thing to happen to Pokémon if the next one is no we’re near palworld level.
I genuinely dislike how they will willingly slow down the development of games and creative thinking by suing people to the ground. From something they took
6v6 OW is the best the game has to offer. The second it goes away is the true downfall of it.
if they dont stick with 6v6 permanently, I bet you OW2 wont live out the next 2 years.
I’m very interested how your opinion of this game will change as tbr months and years go on.
Because overwatch was the only competitive game you’ve been into it’s easy to understand why you’re so hyped. But as someone who’s played competetive smash for example. It happens all the time.
New game comes out. Everyone is hyped. Early meta is extremely aggressive, everything is viable people are having fun. Then as the game progresses, new characters release that need to one up the previous characters to be “cool” and I wildly broken as a result, the game evolves to be so punish heavy that people are afraid to make a move the game ultimately becomes more campy as a result. People lose interest and the game starts to fall off until the next smash game is released restarting the cycle
I think the whole "Marvel Rivals isn't woke" thing is kind of dumb. Marvel is woke. X-men, Captain America, comics in general, all woke and its better for it. I don't think thats a legitimate concern or point of differentiation between Rivals and Overwatch.
Yeah overwatch is just the worst version of everything.
None of the things you mentioned here are actually “woke” though, because “woke” just means socially conscious at the end of the day. The way that people like Sam seem to use it is more of a signifier for an overcompensating attitude towards liberalism, which just isn’t what “woke” meant until like 2020 when right-wing Twitter started using it.
PS: I also just refuse to use a term started by black people without knowing that black people still use the fucking word. I know, weird, right?
The only thing I’ll give Sam is that in my opinion, Overwatch actively used outing their LGBT+ characters as fodder to make up for the lack of world-building in their lore and character bios overall.
That being said, Sam also just needs to admit the lore was dogshit and Blizzard’s cynical attitude was just an extension of that (and capitalism tbh), not some left-wing conspiracy to neuter game devs.
@@vopcracker3193 facts bro. representation is great when it doesn't fucking suck.
Nobody wants that mental health shit
its so tiring hearing gender be referred to as political. like its not. just let people be
They MADE it so. I'll stop when they do, which looks like soon, hopefully, as dei dies. At long last
If you think gender isn’t politicized I’m sorry but the last 250 years of human civilazation would like to have a few words with you
Right? God forbid a man be gay, the whole game is woke political garbage, throw it away. Sam had be shaking my head here, he knows what kind of people he’s gonna rile up by saying that
He acts like non white/non straight characters existing is “political” and talks about “appealing to the most people” but trying to appeal to bigots so you can make more money shows a complete lack of moral backbone.
Identity politics is a delusion.
Rivals appears to have a team that truly understands competition, while blizzard had to be dragged kicking and screaming from their high school field day where everyone gets a participation ribbon.
Technically, the OW game framework foundation has the clear edge....graphics engine, netcode, audio code...not miles ahead but clearly a step up from rivals.
I don't have much faith that OW team can respond....I think they are too far gone down the DEI path to really have good ideas bubble to the top to even implement. While I certainly don't like that China is giving us Rivals...they also are not burdened with group think.
It's because China is giving us Rivals that it's going to be good. If you think about all the best players from OWL who actually understood the game, they were mostly Korean and Chinese (e.g. Shanghai Dragons, SF Shock had all Korean players except sinatraa and super). This means from a competitive standpoint, they can't really mess up too bad, like the brainless negative IQ blizzard devs who didn't understand their own game.
Also, they can't mess up and include DEI into their game unless it's directly from the Marvel universe, not to mention that DEI is nonexistent in China to begin with, luckily.
Wah wah DEI wah wah minorities wah wah feefees
The DEI shit is so annoying, all the last released heroes are boring and not unique. Just compare the last heroes with the original roster, where the cast was actually diverse (the irony) and unique, and they all looked cool and fun to play without being overcomplicated.
@@Pepe-pq3om exactly. And they all had actual lore that tied in with each other. Every hero in OW2 just has awful design and originality compared to OW1 except Sojourn who was teased in OW1 multiple times anyway imo. Another reason why game is worse is obviously no free skins, but even the paid ones we get there always has to be stuff for Kiriko, Juno, and Mercy (the gooner favorites) whereas even new heroes with barely any skins get new ones.
It isnt the DEI path that ruined the game, its more so just the devs simplely "Dont listen to us." And "Dont want help" And they have far to big egos to accept outside help, cus they know what is "Better" for overwatch.
Tracer being gay didn't lead to kiriko suzo or them not nerfing/removing widows one shot.
Lets be fair here the delta issue, the mouse acceleration, the optimization and the game feel and engine is significantly worse. Significantly worse. If they fix those issues then yeah Ill admit its a better game.
yeah thats the only thing holding me back rlly, the ideas and concepts are really cool but the game just feels kinda off? ow just feels so clean and crisp in comparison
Dude talking about overwatch dying is ironically keeping a lot of new channels afloat, also holy hell I’ve never seen something dumber than all the Blackwidow down play. Just shows mfs can’t aim fr.
Blackwidow can't oneshot. You verse a psylocke, spiderman or black panther and you will die before you get the second shot off
@@lovedeepsandhu8502 tbf with a damage boost she can and all she needs is some chip damage from someone else, do i think she is good, no, but shes not as bad as people claim, shes just alot worse than the alternatives.
@ kinda sounds like a skill issue, I’m having a blast on widow as a stock ps5 user going against pc users and console users
@@thatsnotgonewellatall5517 damage boost doesnt work on her. Only champ in the game who behaves like this
@ na fax, widow with mantis and it’s all over
Overwatch 1 under the new teams' development would've been the best. Unfortunate how awful it went.
Marvel Rivals is a godsend. Ow has been disrespecting its player base for so long.
"Woke crowd is attacking Marvel Rivals" this is what people say when they want to bring politics into gaming. Let's not turn Overwatch vs Marvel Rivals into a Woke vs Anti-Woke bs.
Exactly. There’s already a video saying “THE WOKE CROWD IS ANGRY WITH MARVEL RIVALS SUCCESS” like no one’s saying that ppl just like stirring up drama
People pretend that the X-Men is literally not about racism and segregation
there's too much gay shit in overwatch who the fuck was venture and hazard made for I don't see fucking edits of them I don't see them being insanely popular and trending because they're fucking ugly
I have not seen I SINGLE "woke person" complaining about Rivals. But somehow, I've seen dozen of posts saying "the woke mob is angry at Rivals". They are straight up making stuff up.
Yeah because Marvel has nothing "woke" in it lol. Injecting that subject is so stupid on multiple levels.
Give it a couple of months and you'll start seeing players complain about Marvel Rivals and CC will start capitalize on the hate. Marvel Rivals will end up having the same fate as OW in the coming years because hate generates clicks and money. The Devs are not the only one responsible for killing a franchise, the toxic part of the gaming community bare the same responsibility as well.
It's possible that there will be a downward trend but I don't really agree about it having the same fate as ow, like everything that started killing overwatch was a result of role queue issues and blizzard intentionally abandoning the game
Haven’t touched Overwatch since rivals came out. Only thing I think Overwatch has on rivals is tank design. If Overwatch was still 6v6 personally I think tank would be a funner role on Overwatch.
38:31 Nothing but pure facts right here. I have the same exact view on Overwatch's lore. Another character, aside from Hanzo, that got done dirty was Junkrat. Junkrat went from being a complete psychopath to some weird wholesome dude that gets picked on by other characters.
I think of hero shooter fatigue as the same as superhero movie fatigue, we arent fatigued of the genre, just continually bad releases that exist in said genre.
I WANT to reignite my love for OW played it since there 1st beta in 2016. But Rivals is just a better game in every way possible. And gives me the feelings I once had for early OW. All I can do is hope that OW figures it out.
Something that really bugs me about the 6v6 gamemode is that while they nerfed tanks to accommodate for 2 tanks, they didn't nerf the supports (which were giga-buffed for 5v5) and instead they actually buffed some of them (Keep in mind that the DPS passive is only 15% in the 6v6 test, but the fact that they kept the role passives and the S9 health and projectile changes also bugs me).
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think LW, a backline healbot should have 90 healing on primary fire AND 75 on Life Grip while also having 275 HP and a 45 hp self-heal. It's just too much.
Not to mention, Lamp has more health, Pylon has a lower cooldown, and Suzu's healing and invuln was left completely untouched.
OW Devs need to stop catering to the people who don't even like playing the game or just don't like or aren't good at FPS shooters in general.
Two main reasons that it is killing Overwatch:
1) Most importantly, Marvels Rivals used the legacy (real) versions of characters that everyone actually LIKES. Mostly.
2) Second most important, Overwatch sucks.
"Black Widow is a way better designed character than Widowmaker". That's probably why we don't see her in any game. She has absolutely no reason to exist, way too vulnerable and no one-shot ability to compensate with potential high value shots.
Cosmo the Dog as a playable character would sell massively for DLC
I hate that 'woke' has been made into a slur by yt people. We can't have anything bruh
Elaborate
I didn't grow up around the Baptist pressure, but did have my time in a Catholic school that cared more about our grades than our faith, that half the boys did drugs, and that we were all way too stressed about stupid time wasting work. Can't make me care about something with skeletons in your closet is all
Thank God that experience didn't make me lose my faith, really the best part of Catholic school was going to Church. Amen
"Being inclusive is alientating the casual [white and straight] dudes"- samito 2025
Come on dude, "woke" doesnt exist. Its just a perjorative term that right wingers say because they don't have any actual critique of why being inclusive is a bad thing.
Being inclusive didn't ruin overwatch- it actually helped its mass appeal (the poster girl is a lesbian with a pixie cut ffs). It was putting the brakes on content and bringing out an inferior sequel that killed overwatch
Personally, i think it's fine to be inclusive. But that can and does alienate some people. I've dropped books for similar reasons. Some of us are here for a good time. The less political, the better. While others love all the political stuff. Either way, both impact the game and to pretend people aren't being pushed out by certain choices being made, seems just odd
@kamifuujin please could you explain how being gay or non-white is political?
There is nothing political about people literally just being born with a particular skin colour or sexuality
Another example of why Rival > OW : Namor Vs Torb design : With Namor ur rewarded for skill shots (headshots) that make turrets go berserk. The design reward being active, not relying on turrets alone . While still being an entry point for more passive player like torb players. Its just better, more fun, more rewarding, higher skill ceiling, learning curve. Its just better
I also like how turrets are on shorter cooldowns and go away faster, so it encourages you to reposition them a lot during fights to keep people guessing and adds more depth to it
I guess we have to listen to former OW content creators say “woke” 500 times per video now.
Yeah Sam becoming a right winger who thinks only having white/straight people in the game is “keeping politics out of it” is alienating me from his channel lol
So insane to hear him say that. Especially when Tracer and Soldier 76 were gay from the very beginning.
I wonder what he says about Eskay when the cameras are off.
@@donovan4222 I think it’s best to see Sam as someone who’s been partially convinced by Blizzard’s actions into looking at this kind of stuff through a cynic’s lens.
If I’m being frank, Overwatch’s focus on inclusion was the only time Blizzard ever really promoted their lore beyond the animated shorts with any passion, and I don’t want people to lose that even if it shouldn’t paint their perspective on inclusion generally.
@@vopcracker3193 It’s just sad to see how easy it is for people to go down the right wing talking point rabbit hole from goofy stuff like inclusivity in video games. Someone like Sam should be smarter than that.
@@donovan4222 I completely agree and it’s important to meet people where they’re at, especially in situations like this where the strawman is partially being validated by Blizzard’s greedy corporate intentions.
Samito just needs to stop letting Twitter dictate the conversation for him in these situations. If “woke” is a “Twitter thing” like he said, leave it there and just state your damn viewpoint. We all know Blizzard doesn’t give a shit about this game anyway.
Overwatch 2 was honestly the one and only opportunity that IP had to reinvigorate interest, but I've never seen a company completely and utterly disrespect their playerbase and flop so hard consistently after release.
Subbed keep up with the Marvel Rivals content.
I just hate when people think that Hero Shooter is an oversaturated market. Oversaturated my ass. Gacha is oversaturated, looter shooter is oversaturated, open world RPG is oversaturated, survival genre is oversaturated. There are hundred of games that still actively developed and have a player base, but with hero shooter we have what, 5 games, and half of them on life support.
Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars are coming, so that's totally bringing more players to rivals, especially casuals.
I put 5k hours into OW. Haven’t had the urge to play it since Rivals came out
Same here. Didnt log in once since Rivals came out. There is 0 urge for OW.
Sam it might just be my airpods but your mix might be slightly panned to the right
I'd like to have a bit of discussion around 43:44, I consider myself woke and hate this. It makes more people against our cause and doesn't make people want to look further into why we form these opinions. It also ruins this media by forcing them to spend time developing the characters as just "gay" and many times still pushes harmful stereotypes so that they don't entirely lose their cis and heterosexual audience. And what you said earlier about people not caring about the political messaging of anything is very true and is mostly a flaw in our culture.
The best queer representation I've seen is The Boys Season 2(let's not talk about Season 4, they did the exact thing I'm criticizing. and I'm not spoiling anything, watch The Boys it's great), it has a character be outed as a lesbian and the main focus of her story is how corporate media forces her to appear progressive against her own desires. It is a great analysis of how LGBTQIA+ people feel and how they're represented in media to our own detriment.
And if anyone is wondering, I don't use Twitter and I'm not a radlib
49:45 You have been lucky enough to not see what happened to Dragon Age: Veilguard, that game is a mess. But also something being woke doesn't ruin it, some of the greatest to come out in the last 5 years are woke and have a lot of woke messaging even if they aren't as obvious. The two that I can think of right now are Ghost of Tsushima and Baldur's Gate 3, but Overwatch, Valorant, and Veilguard do not know how to communicate woke ideas correctly.
The game doesn't play like overwatch, it plays like Paladins fr
Yup. It feels like paladins, and has no role que. In other words, its not good.
@AlexKemling-g6f I think the game is fun for a few rounds then getting off. I don't know how people can play it for hours.
@shesholdingcorn I'm with you. Marvel has two things going for it, it has marvel characters, and it has a good structure for a fun game. But with terrible character balancing and no role que, it will fail within a year.
Alright lets not pretend everything everywhere isnt political. Sorry to tell you but politicia enconpasses nearly everything
Video was great until the last part. You seem like a cool guy Samito, you should really stop talking about politics with how clearly uninvolved/uninformed you are in it. It's a lot more complex than: "Game has a political message therefore it sucks." Overwatch was political from day 1 and you seemed to like it back then.
Nah, he is finally saying what he thinks. It's good, a ton of people feel the same as him.
Hey I played overwatch up until the very end it wasn’t some kind of “deal breaker” for me, I’m more so referring to how other people might see it
Also not to be rude but if you want to try and get people to better understand your viewpoint, ridiculing them and calling them uninformed isn’t gonna work
@@SamitoFPS My apologies, uninformed was definitely the wrong word. What I was trying to refer to was how you called overwatch "woke"(a word that tbh doesn't mean anything) in it's recent actions, despite it doing nothing of note it hasn't been doing for years, like directly confirming tracer and soldier to be gay years ago, and venture as nonbinary more recently.
It scratches the itch that only Overwatch could, but does it better
I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is saying rivals is better than ow. Better run maybe, but ow is a way better game imo. I feel like this is just people hating blizzard and using rivals as a way to jab at the company even tho the game is very good. Its poorly balanced but it's still Overwatch. Rivals is fun but I don't think it's anywhere near being an overwatch killer as people call it. It's just another fun game in the same catagory.
For the hate they have for Overwatch they can’t stop themselves from bringing it up everytime they play rivals.
I swear you can’t go through a stream of MR without hearing about how Overwatch is bad.
After playing Spider-Man for a few days I’m never going back to ow
I wish Spiderman was a bit more strong. Like why I gotta input 30 commands to kill a support and she can shoot three times.
Leave that beast where hes at lol.
spiderman is one of the best dps in the game
Spider-Man is really good but he’s not just a pick up and kill duelist like Punisher
I agree with pretty much all of what Samito & Bellular are saying here, but I gotta say as a straight dude (also black, lol) - OW making characters that are part of the LGBT+ community is NOT a "political" thing. Someone's sexual orientation isn't a political thing, especially a fictional character's. It's frustrating to see people continue to act like it is. Do certain parties stand for certain "values"? Sure. But, that still doesn't make someone's identity "political". Now, is it necessary? I don't necessarily think so. But, it's creative license. However, I'm wondering if Blizzard did it to tick a box or if they did it to add additional interesting backgrounds to some of their characters. The later it's gotten, it feels like a box check and also something to help people feel "seen". You can have your own opinion on that. As a black person, I enjoy seeing games that have a black lead, but I want the games to be good. I'm sure people in the LGBT+ community feel the same about people that are like them.
With that being said, that's not why OW fell off. The game fell off because they stopped doing the things that made the game, its heroes & its world interesting. They fucked up, man. We all know it. Has nothing to do with "woke" with or "woke" that. I know Sam didn't say anything about "woke" but he responded to someone that did & that guy was a clown, lol.
Edit: Sam DID mention "woke" stuff being in OW or what is considered "woke" and I think it's clear that OW has gone that route. That personally doesn't bother me. I have people in my community that are gay, lesbian, trans, bi or whatever. But, I know plenty of people in my area who are very against that. I just wish people would accept one another. But, again, that isn't what killed OW. If it had any effect, it was marginal.
Edit #2: Sam cooked on his COD take. I think that's something that we ALL agree with. Activision/COD are absolute idiots. As soon as someone REALLY wants to take on COD & delivers a great product, it's over for COD. May come from China, just like Rivals.
I just can’t get into marvel rivals, it just feels so cheap and shit to play, just doesn’t feel anywhere near as good as overwatch
You keep saying you're done with OW (that you're having too much fun with Rivals to think about it), and yet you keep bringing it up
Just an observation
Impossible to talk about what Rivals has done without Overwatch, game is clearly inspired from Overwatch's model
Yeah, i just had a talk with someone in a Marvel lobby. He was, yeah, i couldn't really get into overwatch, but something about Marvel Rivals is really enjoying. I was like yeah man not getting into overwatch was the best thing. The game broke so many of us with blizzard decisions.
Happy New Years Samito
ive never seen someone so positive with a worse comment section in my life
Me personally I still like Overwatch more than rivals, it’s just not my cup of tea
You don’t know how much I appreciate the fact that he shouted out the Ultimate Spider-Man comic series. I had comics given to me as gifts but it was that comic that made Spider-Man shoot up as my #1 hero before the 1st Sam Raimi came out and made me actively start collecting comics on my own.