A Eurorack Mix & Output Problem Solver // The NEW! Output Bus from DivKid & Befaco
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Introducing the new OUTPUT BUS module from me (DivKid) and Befaco. It's an 8HP summing mixer, output stage, soft clip limiter, line level integrator, LED meter visualiser, headphone monitor and more ... it has many features that aimed to solve typical mix and output problems you'll find yourself working with in a Eurorack modular system.
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*TIMING INDEX // CHAPTERS*
INTRO
00:00 Hello & patch previews
00:53 What is the Output Bus and what does it do?
02:10 Features // inputs & summing
02:41 Features // line level input boosting
03:05 Features // LED meter
03:19 Features // master level & why that’s useful!
03:40 Features // soft clip limiter
04:01 Features // headphone monitoring
04:23 Features // outputs - both line & modular
04:42 A note about gain staging
PATCHES
05:17 Have you ever ran out of mixer channels? Output Bus to the rescue!!!
06:46 Summing a side-chained stereo mix back with the kick drum
08:44 Integrating line level gear
10:11 Mix colour & character - an extreme example of the amp like distortion
11:32 Build your own dream modular mixer!
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THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!!! Finally, we don't need a rack space pig to do the jobs we need in a mixed synth type studio.
Got my DIY Output Bus on it's way from Thonk as we speak. This is like 3 modules I had my eye on in one. At last those 4 x PRE BX and 4 x PRE CRs have their home, I was kinda hoping someone would make this when I bought them 18 months back. Nice work DivKid & Befaco, and great vid as always.
Thanks Don, it's a pleasure to provide a nice solution for you.
Already upgraded to this, it's spectacular! 😍
thank you! Glad you're getting good things from it right away.
Another essential module ! I can’t think of another module designer that has nailed the size and function better over the line of products than you. Bravo. This is so useful and sounds superb. The set up with the stereo strips is just killer. The mutes and large volume knobs is tasty. You never disappoint and that last Jam was just chefs kiss
Wow kind words, thanks Jamie much appreciated.
I'm trying to keep designing things that make everything else better and more exciting. Not to say I won't do something different at some point but that's always on my mind.
Hard sync! I mean hard agree!
I really hope Perfect Circuit gets units soon. It's gonna be a game changer for a current collaboration. I pushed the pre-purchase button, now anxiously awaiting an email telling me they have it and it has shipped.
I think they've had stock (maybe sold out? and then re ordered?) Befaco have stock so it's likely in transit. Give them (PC) a message if you'd like an update on when things are expected.
@@DivKid Good to hear. I called PC and was told that they expect a Befaco shipment in the coming weeks (this was about a week ago). The wait shouldn't be long now. Again, thanks for doing the good work. I hope to see more collaborations in the future, you are full of great ideas. Keep it up! Cheers!
thank you for the update, I imagine a restock of the Output Bus alongside the new modules from Befaco is on its way to them.
Thanks RE my ideas and collaborations too. There's something exciting coming in the not too distant future is all I'll say for now.
6 Stereo Strips… nice mixer indeed. Perhaps, when I have a bigger case eventually
Excessive maybe, but really good fun and nice results making that mixer.
How are we just now getting this in 2024?! All the things I wanted in an output module are here. Every other one is lacking one thing or another. My search is finally over. Thank you! Much love DivKid and Befaco.
thank you for the kind words.
@@DivKidI have one pre-ordered, just waiting for Perfect Circuit to get them in. I think what you are doing with Befaco is just fantastic, you guys seem to have a great collaborative relationship going on.
Just moved to a giant 18U 168HP setup with distributed mixing and I do believe this is almost exactly what that system was missing. Class act!
Thanks, that's lovely to hear. Someone else mentioned recently this near the exact thing they were needing, really nice to know the ideas resonate.
bro promoted his own module. GOAT!
I shilled myself. A self-shilly-willy or something like that. I'll invoice myself for the time.
Thank you, it's a pleasure to work with them again.
this was the one I expected. Awesome 👏👏👏
Nice! Thanks.
Always doing the important work. This looks like an excellent utility.
Thank you, definitely trying to keep making modules that make everything better.
Hard sync! Loved the jam at the end
I had that one playing for ages, delaying getting the video done while I messed around with it. Thanks!
Awesome! Congrats on the module, looks great :)
Thank you, appreciate that.
This is a bit of kit I’ve needed for some time, what a great module!
Thanks Ross, it's been really helpful.
Love this combo of stereo strips + output bus as a modular mixer.
I feel like it’s missing some way to get a master bus fx loop though. The 6th channel is already perfect as the return, it would be cool if the top jacks on output bus could be configured via jumper or something to be the sum of the first 5 channels instead of a duplicated main output.
Yeah there's no insert system for the mix and no send system for the channels. Neither were designed for that. But for saturation, EQ, voltage controlled level and pan all brought together it's really nice.
I think a pair of stereo strips and a smaller performance mixer of some kind into Output Bus has been one of the most used for me so far.
Great job as always, I'll definitely have to give this one a go!
thanks! :)
*Great* timing with this one, seems like it's going to solve some of my problems quite nicely...
happy to solving problems
yup, this is a problem solver. awesome.
Perfect, that's the goal. Thank you.
Hard Sync! Love all the uses for this. I commonly end up using a Nearness into the Befaco output V3 to sort of make this happen, but that line level boost built right in is so nice, as I usually end up using the Twin Drive to make that happen. And the Stereo Strip mixer with it all looks ace!
Nearness is a lovely tool. I haven't tried that into this but that would be a nice way to get a load of tracks into a stereo space onto this with other things.
I couldn't help myself with all the Stereo Strips, too fun.
Bless your sweet sweet heart for the dual headphone output. Not just that - this module solves so many goofy workarounds in my system. Many thanks!
Yeah it's been a real problem solver for all sorts of odd daisy chaining weird mix situations.
So Great!! Thanks for the video 🎉I just got your stereo strip, this is next on cue
Hope it gives you some great results in your patches.
HARD SYNC!! love this , will have to get one and a few more stereo strips. thanks as always for your excellent instruction and module collabs.
Thank you, really appreciate that.
@@DivKid it arrived today can't wait to get it in and patched up.
Hard sync! Absolute winner man, I can see one of these ending up in my case at some point V soon… Loved the side chain trick and that jam at the end was killer 🤘 Cheers man!
Thanks a lot, appreciate it.
With 6 stereo In, sum out and phone output features, this is really helpful device.
I think so, thanks!
Great design. Well done Ben. Hard Sync.
Thanks, appreciate that.
Can't wait to add this one to the Schlappy Patching case!
Thank you :)
Ben about to make some serious bucks on this one. Well done!
Thank you, appreciate it.
loving the jame at the end with the reverb.
there's no reverb there actually, it's a feedback loop. I talk about it in the video. I'm taking the modular level outs from the Output Bus back into a Stereo Strip module (for EQ and level control) then sending that into a delay (the Erica Synths Black Delay 2) that goes back into the Output Bus. That then comes back out of the Output Bus ... and so the feedback loop exists. Playing with the mutes on the Stereo Strip and EQ leads to all sorts of different results, definitely gets more reverb and drone like as it builds.
Thanks! :)
Nice work!
Thank you
Nice one Ben. Take it easy.
cheers!
Buffer that mod out for stereo sends add a few stereo strips throw in a St-mix and that’s one impressive mixing system! Who needs cue take a risk! Haha
Also utilizing that second headphone out with a splitter cable for a pedal you got lying around that’s potentially another send
I like the creative thinking and often end up working that way to get signals routed with other gear. However taking headphone outs or euro outs into other things and then back into the Output Bus will lead to some heavy feedback loop action ... which can be a fun time ... or a bad time.
I've been looking at mixers but my setup is still really small and I don't want to use too much HP or get something small that kinda sucks that I'll just replace later. This seems like a great option at the right time for me... pre-ordered. Thanks!
Hope it works out nicely for you.
Great, Thanks for this presentation
Not a review, but my own module. So a demo/presentation of it.
@@DivKid Ouppps, Sorry for my BAD english
my English isn't great either, no worries at all.
Really cool that Divkid takes care of our mixing and output needs!
Output Bus is so brand new the Befaco link is still pw protected^^
ah ha today was set as the launch day, so it should be in stores as assembled and DIY from today. So everything will come together as the day goes on and various parts of the world get into working hours.
Most of what is on the Befaco page is on my website, but if you need any info immediately let me know.
@@DivKid No worries, I'm sure everything will work out fine. ;)
Pretty neat mixing environment you and Befaco created there. I'm mixing outside the case, well submixing inside the modular, but then everything goes into a mixer with four aux sends which makes integrating my Elektrons and outboard fx much easier.
The mute switches on your modules are awesome, though and they also seem to be a reasonable size, nice and playable, really well thought out.
Not sure if I wanted to mix entirely in the modular, although playing with feedback, sidechaining different voices and creative filtering is much easier and you can do much more on the fly, so I'll probably get a Stereo Strip next.
Kinda long text not saying much, lol....just wanted to say your modules are great and I always watch the videos even if I'm not considering buying anything. It must be a ton of work to get those ready for shipping...
Btw, did you also work on the Hexmix and Hexpander?
Appreciate the long text, it's nice to hear from people interested and supporting what I'm doing. Thank you so much.
I didn't work on the Hexmix with Befaco that was entirely them. At that point I'd had really simple Mutes prototypes made elsewhere, basically a socket wired to a switch to a socket. Totally passive and while alright nothing sophisticated. When the Hexmix came, I just asked Befaco to take the mutes on that module and copy that circuit across for what I wanted. They were into the idea and brought Mutes to life.
@@DivKid Ah, interesting to hear how that all came about. People like you really keep modular alive! Now that you mention it, I think you've told the story in the Mutes video...anyways, I just ordered a Mutes kit. A friend of mine has Mutes, a Stereo Strip, Hexmix and a few other Befaco modules. They are really great, I always end up jamming for hours, because they really invite you to just grab the knobs and switches and play. I wanted to get them for my rack, but you know...there's an endless stream of interesting modules....
Brilliant
Thank you!
Great, simple idea. I was thinking of just getting two unity mixers to have a stereo sum, but this has nice extras like the 1/4" outputs and master volume.
Might end up not that different in price to a pair of separate unity mixers.
I’ve recently gotten into modular (no thanks to You and The Unperson 😉) and have looking all over for a mixing output module just like this! I’ve been using a million 1/8 to 1/4 cables out of my sources to a Zed10fx mixer but I fill the all the channels and end up leaving other instruments out. This is great!!!
I do still like externally mixers, the ZED series too, I have a ZED14 here I kept that I always enjoy.
If this simplifies things and brings the modular case that's great! I'm always running out of mixing so more options is always good.
The Unperson is great too, nice company to be in throughout not just the modular community but video makers too.
Yup insta order. exactly what i was needing and didnt want a huge mixer setup
It's exciting to see people connect with it and I'm looking forward to seeing the set ups it ties together.
Verrry cool. That drum performance at the end was amazing!
Cheers mate I had good fun with that.
yea this is sick
appreciate it, ta!
Output boss!
haha someone else heard that too. I'm happy for people to call it that.
good id Div
Cheers Kaiser.
Just finished the DIY kit. Works well, just wished for an image of the PCB sandwich that explains the stacking better.
I will pass that feedback on, thank you.
ordered myne the day after seen this video lol. many thanks
I hope it works out great for you. Thanks.
@@DivKid itll def do what i expect. seeing you use the stereo split and building the playable mixer. got me thinking.
prob be a getting a few of those in the future for all my drum stuff
Nice thing is to try one, as a soft classy compression-ish like bit of saturation and EQ, try slamming it into distortion, clean and EQ, extra VCA velocity type stuff or pan mod etc and then see if you want more or pair them with other things. I definitely enjoy having multiple around for various voices and sub mixes.
i like this idea. will def try out. module will be here tomorrow. so im thinking i send the summing bus, modular out, into my erica synth black output. i put into that stereo out put so i can expand on my stereo channesl. should be any issue with that use right? also, do you have a discord channel set up?
@@DivKid
Modular level out into another stereo output module that you use will work, or into any modular mixer.
I do have a Discord set up, it's exclusively for Patreon supporters ($1 a month and up), great community, daily topics and discussions, plenty of places to chat and share things. I'm in there daily.
Need to watch later, but the design is fantastic and the details incl. soft clip limiting seem like the perfect solution for the "Live output" problem. Amazing stuff Ben!
I've spent months figuring out what combination of mixers/outputs I've needed for a live case. It's a complicated beast with 8 "voices" some stereo and with 2 fx send chains...
Kind of settled on HN 4xStMix, SSF Vortices & Toppobrillo Minimix. Need to play it, but this may well end up as the final-final output!
Thank you, appreciate that. As a "build your own modular mixer" I think it really shines. So you can take any combo of channel strips, utility mixers, performance mixers and not run out of channels.
What a great problem solver for hybrid systems! When will the mute buttons expander be available? 🤞
Thank you! We've no current plans for expanders.
That's great, bravo. I have a Cosmix and was wondering whether to invest in something to solve the lack of ins/outs, and then you post this, definitely synchronicity. And, what makes it even more of a coincidence, is that I was just thinking of something like this last night, a sort of mixture between this and the Vostok (which I see you have).
Difficult decisions, this or the STMix (also from Befaco). 🤔
I do like the Vostok modules, the Ceres is nice as it's 6 VCAs. Things like the Cosmix and Vostok into the Output Bus have been working really well.
@@DivKidYes, I can imagine. Especially as the Cosmix has the aux sends/out, which is it's (main) advantage over the mighty Vortices.
🙌
thanks!
Uh, that looks handy. ❤
Very much so, tried to think of lots of things I've needed to be able to do over the years and how to bring that all together.
@@DivKidyou should have it called Output Boss. At least I hear this sometimes in the video.
@@DivKidnow I’m at hard sync.
I was particularly bunged up full of cold for this record so bus, boss ... all the same :D haha
@@DivKidyes, sounds like you had a cold. But I like output boss better.
Hard Sync for sure!
Love the longer kick note with a purr at the end, what kick module/modulation or from scratch combo are you using there?
That was the SSF Entity Ultra Kick (video demo - ua-cam.com/video/MPmajedWlcs/v-deo.html )
The second stereo strip had the Entity Ultra Perc for the noise snare/perc stuff (video demo - ua-cam.com/video/dqm79xIiFRA/v-deo.html )
The third was the Metalloid Percussion (video demo - ua-cam.com/video/y5MjEZJeJ7s/v-deo.html )
Fourth was a blend of sounds from the SoundForce Samples sounds
Fifth was the Vostok Sena VCO (video demo - ua-cam.com/video/RHMJ-hzlsRk/v-deo.html ) into the SSF Steady State Gate (video demo - ua-cam.com/video/arwFwe6UoMw/v-deo.html )
Feedback and delay at the end was the Erica Synths Black Delay 2.
Sequencing from the Winter Modular Eloquencer, using the CV outs to modulate the voices. For the kick it was CV to the resonate (resonance/length on the kick).
Super nice one! What would you add to the modular mixer setup in the end of the video to be able to use 2x sends/returns controlling levels? Vostok Ceres perhaps acting as an automatable per channel send line
I use the Stereo Strips as a send FX router, though if that's across multiple channels of audio you'd need a mixer and it's gets to be a lot of modules fast. (this recent video shows some nice FX things with the Stereo Strip - ua-cam.com/video/7VP54nAf_ro/v-deo.htmlsi=IlDHUszGYH8YSQdc)
I'd say a mixer with sends on it is the best place to start. Then add channels, extra mixes, or just extra things into the Output Bus as needed that go beyond the mixer itself.
@@DivKid Great, thanks!
new output bussy dropped
a busy bussy bus
Love the idea of building a custom mixer all inside Eurorack but it would be nicer if there were a whole series of modules that could be normalled without front patch cables to build a complete vertical channel. I would think stereo strips, eq's, panners, ability to send each channel would be minimum. How would you go about building that ?
'stereo strips' ... see my module the Stereo Strip! :)
Though this isn't built for expander style rear connections, we kept it open and patchable so you could use anything. That was important in the design, to let people use anything they have from any brand and to bring those together.
What do you mean by "how would go about building that?" do you mean with existing modules? Or as a circuit design?
Dope module mate. Question. Can we use the modular output to send it somewhere in the case and then return it on its own inputs and take that processed mix from the unbalanced outs?
Hello, thanks. No you can't, you'll create a feedback loop.
Well you can if you want the feedback loop. The last patch in this video does that, modular out back through a stereo strip and delay then back to an input and recording out of the 1/4" outs.
But it's not a separate unity mixer to the output stage.
Handy module! Bit of a missed opportunity that it and the stereo strip dont seem to support chaining with a ribbon cable on the back. That would allow building a dream mixer without cables in the way... something for v2 maybe ? ;-)
It was considered but the back of the Stereo Strip is so component dense there was no room for expander pins on it.
Tidying some cables out of the way would be nice of course. Though I'm happy to patch into it and glad it's not just an expander and is open to use with anything else you want to mix together.
Appreciate it.
nice one,hope befaco fixed issues with scratchy pots like in out v3 and stmix
Thank you :)
We've definitely had no scratchy pots on the Output Bus or Stereo Strip with all the units I've tried.
I did have an stmix with a scratchy pot, never tried an out v3.
It's well worth mentioning things that have issues but it's a shame if people tarnish one company with one issue they had that hasn't been an issue for a long time (in lots of cases). Just speaking generally I saw this years ago with one company that were always talked down about as having loose pots, despite those pots been what several other companies used at the time that felt exactly the same and more recently with people talking about loose sockets that were a one small batch issue that has been addressed since.
I hope I didn't word that rudely, certainly not responding badly but just sharing those general thoughts.
@@DivKid thank you for the response, I absolutely didn't mean to blame the company being absolutely happy with other products
Not at all, I didn't take it that way I was outlining. Just passing general comment as it was something on my mind. Thanks for taking it well and glad to hear you've enjoyed other stuff from them.
This module can replace the Befaco output V3?
You would loose the cue input option for the headphones but gain 6 stereo inputs that sum together.
First. Ace.
Cheers love!
@@DivKid Thanks petal x
Mixing in a side chain kick was also the first thing I thought of 😂
an awkward thing to do a lot of the time.
Could this work as a 1U version?
it's twice the width of what you'd fit in 1U (on it's side) so it would be around 52 HP to just spread it all out. Which is huge. Bits of it could, but to do all that this does ended up so long as I tried to lay out rough mock ups it hasn't gone anywhere as a 1U idea yet.
hard sync! the use of line-in drum machine plus the soft clipping of a drum machine with hot outputs seems like it could add for some really nice distortion for bass drums or a synth like the 303.
for pushing more distortion there's the Rings bit of the video, but check out the Stereo Strip video as it's the same input and soft clip limit circuit.
This should play at 7:11 - ua-cam.com/video/4ChJ8M9P_IM/v-deo.htmlsi=Ydv4A8lUh2_NoCRL&t=431 that's more bass synth 303 style riff with the distortion.
Nice, like a Hexmix scaled down to just the important bits. Shame you can't normalize Stereo Strips to the inputs on the back.
that would be sick
The back of the Stereo strip is so packed we can't fit headers on there. But the idea was always for this to be an open system for any modules, not just Stereo Strips. So I don't mind using a few cables.
Well the way I look at it is that everything is reduced to line level eventually so why not just use a line level mixer that already has all that built in and would cost a fraction of what those 7 modules would?
Hello, I take it you're referring the final patch which is the 6 Stereo Strips and Output Bus. Absolutely an external mixer is way cheaper than any modular mixing solution.
I wasn't trying to push 6 Stereo Strips as essential, I think I said you can "build a dream modular mixer" out of anything in the video. The Stereo Strips were just something I wanted to try. So where I think this is really exciting is having, a channel strip or two, FX returns, a performance mixer etc and summing all that together to build a mix out of things some people will already have.
If you don't want to stay in the box, going external is a more economical option with larger control surfaces etc. What they don't offer is CV control. With the Stereo Strip you have a stereo VCA and panning circuit under CV, both of which can be really handy and creative.
So yeah, I agree an external mixer is a great thing to use with modular if you don't want any CV control and have space to use both together.
@@DivKid Yeah the CV control is a big plus I guess
not for everyone or everything though, so if you're willing to cart external gear around an external mixer works well.
It might be a situation where something like a couple Stereo Strips do the CV stuff but they output to an external mixer.
HARD SYNC
thank you, always appreciate the support.
are you trying to get me to add more inputs and get rid of my Rosie :(
I am simply presenting an design that solves problems for me and allows me to do nice things. Nothing against your Rosie.
@@DivKid I was just kidding it looks like a brilliant solution! I will pick one up eventually and just move Rosie to another case
All good, nice to know Rosie won't get kicked out haha!
Oh man,,,just what I been looking for,,GAS anyone...?
happy to be a solve some problems, it's tied a lot together for me.
So I could sell my Befaco Out and stop daisy-chaining my other mixers freeing up mixer channels.
Exactly that. Get a nice output stage and be able to output multiple other mixers into it.
Use the LED meters and your ears for the gain staging, big red knob to adjust, other mixer master outs adjusted if needs be. Winner winner chicken (or alternative) dinner.
@@DivKid This means I now need a stereo strip too so I can put the main mix through that and Duck the beats that are fed into Output Bus! I was previously thinking of getting the Shackmat Gemini's Path for Ducking and the KonstantLab Baxandall EQ.
I haven't tried either of the mentioned modules. Should be good though. Any stereo VCA can be your side chain thing, it's just needing to mix everything prior to it and mixing it back after with the kick.