Adam you provide a wealth of information in your videos. I've installed Sumos on two of my rigs. Rear Solo Blues on my 2024 Canyon to alleviate squat while towing my boat. They keep the truck level even with 600 lbs of tongue weight and reduce rear end bounce at hwy speeds. Installing the Rebel 2 piece Blues up front and Maxim Yellows on the rear of my 2023 Tiffin Open Road F53 chassis motor home has really improved the ride and handling, they work hand in hand with the anti sway bars reducing body roll as well as soften harsh road inputs to the leaf spring suspension. The coach stays noticeably flatter through the corners which makes it a heckuva lot more enjoyable to drive.
I've installed the blue variant on both my Tacoma and Tundra pickups. In both cases I added Sumo springs for a task-specific purposes, which they've worked great for. The unloaded ride is unaffected, at least as far as I can tell. I highly recommend them!
I have installed the black sumos on a 8900lb 36 foot travel trailer and it has made an incredible difference, the sway, bumps and swings have improved tremendously . I have the timbrens on my 1500 Silverado , timbrens are way more ridgid when not loaded.. ..
How did the front Sumos improve the ride, control etc. I have the blues on the rear of my Nissan Titan, but have been thinking of adding the fronts too. Thx!
Adam, outstanding video and outstanding product. Thanks for your professional customer service and now producing camper summos which will definitely lessen the earthquake tremor to the structure of the camper while in tow.
Just purchased the blue set for my 2012 Tacoma. Just looking for a little support when I tow our 3000 lbs camper. I can’t believe I never heard of you guys until today!
My 2019 4runner sags 3 inches with a 320lb tongue weight from my 3200lb single axle 18 foot camper. I think black is the way to go for my upcoming 4 months on the road. Thoughts appreciated. Looks like a great product...just hoping to choose the best option...."daily ride comfort" is not a concern for me. Thanks.
Hi there. We would have to agree with you that the Black SumoSprings would be the best bet especially considering your upcoming 4 months on the road towing that camper! Thanks for stopping by and enjoy your trip! #JourneyBetter 😎
You should do a similar video for the three designs: - attached at only one end, so it hangs free when the suspension droops enough (Solo?) - attached at both ends, so it is always active (Maxim?) - separate top and bottom pieces which come together when the suspension compresses enough (Rebel?)
@@SuperSpringsInternational I will. I wanted to ask is there any issues with temperature extremes on the sumo springs. Such as hardening, cracking or becoming too soft? sometimes I’m working in -15, sometimes I’m working In 110.
@@mcciaccio That's a good question. We've burned our SumoSprings at over 3000 degrees then installed them on the truck and they performed just as well. SumoSprings perform normally all the way down to -22 degrees Fahrenheit. After that, they may rebound slightly slower.
Adam, thanks for the video, I have been considering your springs for my Alfa Gold fifth wheel. Weighs about 11,500. Fairly heavy. In doing my research I came across a video on youtube from “downsizing makes cents”. The title is “are they taking our home away, totaled”. They have a bent frame on a solitude fifth wheel, and while getting it looked at at texas trailers they point to the sumo spring as the reason. They don’t say if the trailer is massively overloaded or anything like that so we don’t know but it does give me pause. If you have a minute and can look at their video for feedback. The video is about 3 weeks old as of my comment. And they are implicating sumo so might be worth you looking at. Thanks for your time. the assessment starts about 8 minutes in. Guy
I have both timbren and sumo springs.. timbrens on my 1500 are definitely stiffer and handle more overload applications, 4 sumos on my 36' camper to help with the sway and bumpy ride. The stiffer they are they more they handle the load, sumo compresses a lot compared to timbren so it can be a softer ride. Both of these have made it possible to tow such a large camper with a 1500 but your truck will take a beating even with all this tech. 1500 just not made for the application i was putting it through , upgraded to a 2500..
Thanks for your comment! I appreciate that you took the time to test different options and different applications. Are you considering getting SumoSprings on your 2500?
@@joealves5070 Thank you for considering SuperSprings for your towing needs! We understand that the cost can be a concern. However, our suspension solutions are designed to provide superior support, stability, and safety, which can make a significant difference when you're towing. Investing in a high-quality product can save you from potential issues down the road, ensuring a smoother and safer experience. If you have any questions or need further assistance, please let us know. We're here to help you make the best choice for your needs.
Durometer readings and density are completely different concepts. A durometer reads hardness (which, for an elastomer, suggests elastic modulus), and density is just the mass per unit volume.
SumoSprings utilize density as a key metric because it directly affects the performance characteristics of the material. The density of the microcellular urethane used in SumoSprings influences their ability to compress and rebound effectively, providing the right balance of support and cushioning for various loads and driving conditions. Unlike airbags or steel springs, SumoSprings' density is carefully engineered to deliver consistent performance over time, maintaining their shape and effectiveness even under heavy loads. This ensures that vehicles equipped with SumoSprings enjoy improved stability, reduced sway, and a smoother ride, making them a reliable and durable suspension enhancement option.
Wish I would have waited and tried these. I have a Tacoma with icon rxt leafs(1.5” lift) and timberline bumps… I put a 50lb sand bag to help reduce chatter over bumps… the timberlines seem to bottom out hard over big dips on the streets…
Wish you made a blue rear kit for ram 2500. The black ones are too stiff for everyday. They’re great with the crawler hauler hooked up but man they are stiff when I’m not towing. I called and tried to get some shorter springs or something to swap in and they won’t sell parts just full kits. Thinking about cutting them down but they’re so expensive. I would like to get some blue ones to swap in and try them.
Thanks Wish I had found this information before I bought the 40s "yellow " Super happy with my slide in camper loaded on my 1500. Not so much with the unloaded 2500 like ride. I think I would have been happier with the blue.
@@jorad4887 HI just makes my 1/2 ton ride like a 3/4 when empty. I have gone back to the oem for that and will reinstall the yellow when I load the camper.
I have a 2021 Newmar Baystar Motorhome 3609 and, last year, I had Suma Springs installed on the front and back. S 17340-2 SF - 17340-2 on the front and SSR - 18754-1 on the rear. The ride is WAY worse! We’ve had door problems , cabinet hardware torn off and other issues. They were installed at National Indoor RV centers in Louisville. I’ve been working with them and they say there’s nothing they can do. We have owned multiple RVs for more than 30 years and we’ve never had such a bad ride. This is the newest and most expensive coach we’ve ever owned and we now worry about other issues that might be going on that we can’t see. What can we do?
Wish I would have saw this video before I purchased the black -47's for my f150. Sounds like the blue 40's would have been better for my application. Installing the black ones in a few days for a camping trip later this week. Hope it isn't too rigid.
Hey there! Great question, and thanks for your patience. We're actually in the process of engineering a new part specifically for the 2024 Toyota Tacoma right now. It’s still in development, but we’re working hard to get it just right! We’ll be sure to announce the availability as soon as it's ready. In the meantime, send us an email at marketing@superspringsint.com so we can connect more on this! #JourneyBetter
I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong I have a 2023 Tacoma. I purchased the front sumo springs, I raised the front wheels where totally hanging after removing the OEM, I didn’t have enough space to install the new ones.
Hi there! As noted in the instructions, if there is insufficient clearance to install the SumoSpring it may be necessary to unbolt the lower shock/strut mount and swaybar link and apply downward force on the tire. Once installed, reattach strut and swaybar and torque to manufacturers specification.
Hey team! I drive an 2005 2WD Tundra. I mainly use it to tow a 1300lb aluminum trailer with a 2100lb car on there, but also like to drive the truck at least 6 times a month as a daily driver. I'd like to reduce the rear end squat when towing only for safety reasons. Blue or Black?
Yah I would go with the blue to maintain a good unloaded ride. If that doesn't work for you, we can switch out to the blacks. We have a 30 day money back guarantee! -Tom
Have the blue but it's the only one you can get on a 07 suburban I wanted Yellow they just don't make the good stuff for my truck had to add airbags Because no yellow
I have a 2018 Tacoma crew cab long bed. I have a fiberglass canopy and a C4 rear high clearance bumper with swing out with my spare tire mounted to it year round. Daily driver few times a year I tow a trailer with a couple quads in it loaded with camping / hunting gear between the truck and trailer. Should I go with blue ? Or black ? 1:10 Thank you 👍
I have a 1994 Ford F-150 XLT two-wheel drive extra cab it sounds like the blue or the black would be perfect for my truck I plan on getting an 8-foot slide-in truck camper and it sounds like either one of these would be a good choice did keep a safe normal ride height
I’ve got a Tacoma that gets worked hard. Constant load with racks tools drawers and a shell. Rarely ever empty. 3.5” x 2.75” lift stage III deavers and I can get them to sag a little lol. We wheel a lot and travel is also important. Would the blacks still be too dense?
We strongly discourage combining airbags with SumoSprings, as they tend to conflict. For optimal performance, it's recommended to use SumoSprings independently. Great question! -Matt
Hey guys we travel full time with a 10k travel trailer. My ram 3500 has no issues towing but wanted to get some more support. I was thinking about running the black. Would you recommend the blue? Also when we hit the road we do quite a few miles.
What would happen if i put sumosprings on a normal sedan car under 2 tons, which is not used for heavy load? Would it harden the ride? I'm looking for something to smoothen my average car ride (': Thanks in advance
Hello again! Just replied to your other comment but SumoSprings would work great! Of course provided we have an application for your specific vehicle. You can find that out on our website after you put some vehicle information. You can always call us or use our website chat feature for more assistance if needed. Thanks! www.superspringsinternational.com
Great looking product! My Hino dutro 4x4 3ton tare has very bouncy suspension front and back. Will SumoSpings x 4 stiffen up the bounce and add more stability and less recoil?
Which, if any, Sumo Spring might you suggest for a skoolie? I would think they’d work great on the shorter buses or a step van. But what about the longer buses, like 40’ long? Especially, gas operated buses as opposed to diesel? Or engine type factor into this?
We currrently don't have anything listed for buses. If you wanted to custom fit our SumoSprings onto your bus & had questions about it, it'd be best to ask our engineerings team directly at tech@supersprings.com. Thanks - Josh
Just found this product and they look amazing. I have a 14 tundra thats towing a 6000lb trailer daily for work and also a daily driver after work. Would you suggest blue or black? Thank you
Hello. Thankyou for such a great product. I have a 2016 Thor ACE 30.1 motorhome. GVWR is 18,000 lbs. Is the blue Sumo Spring for the front, going to give me the smoother ride/less vibration and help with body roll. I have Safe T Steer and the Roadmaster Anti Sway bar installed which has helped tremendously on wind days. Thankyou
Hi Derrick, I'd go with our SuperSpringsint.com/SSF-170-40-2/ kit for the front of your motorhome and the SuperSpringsint.com/SSR-187-40-1/ for the rear. - Josh
Hey I really like this idea. I have a 2012 Tundra regular cab short box but it’s constantly loaded with at least 1000-1200lbs of overlanding kit. Ride height is fine at a stop, but it’s way to soft over dips at speed or when towing a trailer. Blue or black? Thanks in advance.
If for the trailer we have two options of springs - the BLUE one for 3000-5000 axles (TSS-107-40 spring over, TSS-106-47 spring under) - and the BLACK for 5000-8000 axles (TSS-107-47 spring over, TSS-106-47 spring under). You’d need the black. 👍🏼 -Adam
About to purchase. 2014 tacoma double cave short bed 1.5 add a leaf and have a leer 100xr on all the time and usually a bike rack on the hitch ... should I go w the black density? Also I occasionally tow a 6x12 enclosed cargo trailer. In leaning towards the -47 thanks !
@@SuperSpringsInternational its level unloaded. Sags bad with the trailer. I also have the front lifted 1.75" with bilstien 5100. Trying to be less sagged out when loaded
I’d suggest the blue density for you since you’re mostly unloaded. They’ll kick in and give you back an inch or more when towing, plus a lot better control and ride comfort. -Adam
I have a Blue bird tc2000 Built out to an RV that i'm looking into improving the body roll, vibrations, and bounce of the factory springs. My rig weighed in at 23000k when we last went on a trip fully loaded. can the yellow springs support that kind of weight, or should I go with Timbrens for my application?
What would you recommend for a 5th gen Toyota 4Runer with an unloaded weight (ie, daily driving) of 6000 lbs (Front = 3140What would you recommend for a 5th gen Toyota 4Runer with an unloaded (ie, daily driving) weight of 6000 lbs (Front = 3140 lbs; Rear 2860 lbs)? What about when adding another 300-400 lbs in the rear when camping? More considerations: * I also have KDSS. * Suspension: Fox 2.5 shocks with DSC adjusters and reservoirs (FOX-883-06-130, FOX-883-26-004), and 2" Heavy duty Icon springs in the rear (ICON-52700) * Most of the extra weight is Front: Front full aluminum bumper and steel plate protectors for the front bumper, engine, and transmission * Steel side step on rails * GFC Rooftop tent
@@SuperSpringsInternational not quite factory. 275 tires, full suspension, CBI full skid plates (steel), CBI front bumper (aluminum), winch, sound dampening and audio equipment.
I own a 2020 Jayco Motorhome F53 chassis. In November I purchased the rear yellow springs because of etrailers recommendation. My coach weighs 18,000 lbs. These are too stiff after 1 trip I don’t think this is wise to keep them on. I can’t afford new so is it possible to soften these with adding holes? Is this a good idea? Could you please help?
Hi there! If your F53 GVWR is 18k and you have a yellow rear kit, then it seems to me you have the incorrect part number for your setup. With an 18k GVWR you will need the blue kit for the rear which is softer for the lighter F53's. It is recommended to return the kit and order the correct part number. If you need assistance ordering the correct item, please contact our Customer Service team.
I have a 2017 f250 powerstroke. Has a leveling kit and I drive from Louisiana to North Dakota for work. I pull trailers that weight up to 12-15k pounds normally and was wonder which colder would be best.
Less than 50% of the time. But when I do they are over 10k majority of the time. I just don’t wanna hurt ride quality while drivin 22 hours from Louisiana to North Dakota for days off, ect.
Would a change to Sump springs also need an adjustment in the camber setting? If we use the same setting on camber with the new springs could it possibly have an effect on early tire wear on the outside edge? We’ve installed Sumo springs about 3-4 years ago and love the changes it’s made in wobbly stability (we have a Sprinter Chassis Winnebago View 2017). However we’ve never been able to get over 25000 miles on a set of new front tires. No matter what we try we can’t find a shop to set the various things to make them work. It’s frustrating to keep changing tires and also not fun to get the choppy ride that comes with the tire wear on the outside.
Thank you for reaching out and sharing your experience with SumoSprings. We appreciate your loyalty to our product and are glad to hear about the positive changes it has brought to your vehicle's stability. Regarding your question about adjustments to the camber setting, while SumoSprings typically do not require adjustments to the camber setting, maintaining proper alignment is crucial for tire longevity and optimal performance. Using the same camber setting with the new springs may indeed have an effect on early tire wear on the outside edge, especially if your vehicle has experienced excessive tire wear in the past. We recommend consulting with a professional alignment specialist who can assess your specific situation and make any necessary adjustments to ensure proper alignment and tire wear. We understand the frustration of frequent tire changes and the discomfort of a choppy ride due to tire wear. We encourage you to seek out a reputable shop that specializes in alignment and suspension work to address these concerns comprehensively. If you need any further assistance or guidance, please don't hesitate to reach out to our customer support team. We're here to help ensure you get the most out of your SumoSprings experience. -Matt
I have a 2020 ford ranger with about 200 pounds of gear, a bed platform made out of plywood 200 pounds, a camper shell 150 pounds, and a roof rack 65 pounds. So I have a grand total of 615 pounds static on the rear of my truck. More weight when going on trips, but day to day this is what I carry. Should I go with a blue or a black sumo spring? I do lots of off-roading and have after market medium duty old man emu leafsprings. As well as eibach shocks front and rear.
@@SuperSpringsInternational it’s a 2020 fx4 XLT made in USA, I actually ordered the blue springs given the better articulation off-road compared to the black ones
Just asking which Sumo Spring I would need,. 22 f250 short box, 85% of the year it’s a daily driver, no load.15% of time it tows a 5W. About 5-7k a year. When loaded with the 5W. The front measures from the ground to bottom of fender above the tire measures 41” and when loaded 40 1/2”. The rear unloaded measures 42 1/2” and loaded 40”. Lights don’t shine in the trees and it rides good. No sway. Thank you
My truck has a lot of body roll as I’m driving on uneven roads, do you think think the blue springs would help reduce the body roll? I don’t plan on towing with that truck I just want a better ride quality.
I am very interested in your product. My question is which color to buy. I have a 2002 E450 24 foot, 15 passenger shuttle bus. It is a RV conversion so there is a bed, shower, kitchen table, and storage cabinets. I dont believe the weight is any where near 15 passengers. Which color would you recommend for front and back to soften the harsh ride? A bump in the road is jarring and shakes everything around. It's awful.
Hey Josh hope you get this message soon, I want to buy a set of these for my Nissan Titan 2005. I currently use it to pull a 18ft Food Trailer, but the back of my truck seems to lower everytime. Food trailer should weight about 5,000 lbs. what color would best suit my truck? And thanks for your time!
Do sumosprings freeze in the winter. I drive my 2010 GMC Savana DIY Camper year round, we do alot of winter camping. 🇨🇦 And word on the street is these springs retain water and freeze up. Is there any truth to this ??
Bought a 4 wheel pop up camper that lives full time on my 19 Ram 2500. With the weight of the camper just shy of 2,000lbs, would you recommend the black or yellow spring. Thanks!
I'd actually go with our Rebel SumoSprings instead. You'd get the most support from those. It would either be the SSR-316-40-2 if your vehicle is s 4x2 or the SSR-315-40-2 if your vehicle is a 4x4. - Josh
Which sumo spring should I get 2001 chevy 2500HD 2wd. Looking for better ride quality and I haul a 11,000lb 5th wheel camper every now and then and sometimes just regular ol trailers.
I have a 2017 Chevy Silverado with a 3” leveling kit on it in the front. I tow a 7500 lb trailer every couple of months. Would the blue sumos be good or should I bump it up?
Hi there 👋🏼 To keep your factory ride as nice as possible, I would suggest going with the blues (-40's). This will give you an enjoyable ride everyday and then for when you tow you've got the support. Your tongue weight is only around 800lbs so you'll be gold 😎 -Tom
I’m got a 2019 4runner SR5 and I tow our small single axle camper with my family quite a bit in the spring and summer. Based on what I’m hearing you say, the blue would make the most sense. Right now as it sit my weight distribution hitch is nicely dialed in. My question is, would adding the blues change how I’d have to set my wdh? Of course is still want the hitch transferring weight to the front end of the suv and not just sitting on the sumos in the back. What are your thoughts? Thanks!
You might need to make a light adjustment on your WDH - but on mine for instance, it just smoothed out the ride and helped it ride more level in addition to the WDH. Blue is definitely the way to go on your setup. -Adam
Great information. I am looking to get sumos on my fifth wheel but not sure 🤔 what color to get being that my axels are 5200 pounds each and I know that blue is 3000 to 5000 pounds witch I'm slightly above. I'm leaning towards the blue but would love your opinion on it. Thanks 👍
how much of a gap should there be to be able to maintain somewhat factory unloaded ride but able enough for support when loaded. 2021 Chevy Trail Boss, blue sumo springs and currently installed with spacer giving me 1/4 inch gap when unloaded. 7500 gvwr TT. thanks
Thinking about sumo springs on my 2018 Jayco Redhawk 29xk with a ford E450. What springs would you recommend? Does that go according to max weight of motorhome?
Hi Jose - we might even recommend you go with our SuperCoils for that. They're a heavy duty replacement coil in the rear that will take away the sag and help with body roll and sway (SSC-50). We also have SumoSprings for the trailer - www.superspringsinternational.com/trailer-sumosprings/
I go to your website to order for my wrangler JK 2010, and for the front it automatically recommenda the yellow springs for front and black for the rear. Im doing zero towing, moderate offroad, my main issue is to have the comfort on bumps. Isnt yellow too hard for my needs?
Hi Alisan - really great question. Maybe we should do some specific vehicle videos on this because Jeeps are a little different. We only make certain colors for the Jeep because of the size of the springs we're fitting and the performance. The front yellow and the rear blacks are perfect for the Jeep. Check out this video to see what it looks like... ua-cam.com/video/gn15IKwrxWk/v-deo.html -Tom
I own a 2014 awd chevy express 1500 and I'm really having a difficult time finding out if I can use the black ones on the rear... Dead end wherever I go...
So my bump stops and brackets have been cut off due to having air bag suspension, now I’m back to shocks . Is there anything for me in a 2003 Chevy tahoe for bump stop but no brackets ?
@@SuperSpringsInternational hi there...I have a Tacoma 2019 offroad trim and I have a canopy camper and cabinets inside,I got maybe 500 pounds.I added an extra leaf on each sides...in your opinion Wich is the best sumo spring color to order???
I have a 2018 Stock suspension Tacoma with a camper shell rack and drawer system. Around 400 lbs of load on at all times. The rear is sagging one inch, should I get blue or black? I do not tow at all
Hi there! Sounds like you're talking about your Gas F53 chassis, correct? We have a kits that are designed for the front of rear for the F53 that will eliminate the body roll and front end dip and make the whole thing drive more like an oversized SUV! We've listed the parts by make and model right here: superspringsinternational.com/ford-f53/ -Tom
Installed the blue springs on my 2021 Titan. They did not come with spacers. I have about a half inch gap. Should they be riding on the frame or should there be a gap
As a general rule of thumb, we pretty much always recommend the blue. This is going to give you the best support while not affecting your unloaded ride. Moving to a black (-47) or even yellow (-54) isn't the right application unless your pretty much constantly loaded. - Tom
Hi there! Not necessarily - we have a lot of folks that install both together. The SuperSprings will give you all the ride height back and really control sway and body roll. The SumoSprings have all the vibration reduction features so that's going to give you the beautiful ride! -Tom
👋🏼 Hi John! No these are not designed to lift the vehicle or change the factory ride height. With that said, for vehicles that are already sagging due to weight, they are designed to help you get back to ride height. But to your point, that's not affecting "unloaded" ride height. - Tom
Hi Ponce, yeah we have spacers! The thing about a block, however, is that you've most likely raised the whole suspension by 2 inches so the gap is between the leaf and the frame is the same. Give us a call so we can make sure we're getting you the right information and recommendation for your truck - 800 898 0705. -Tom
I have a 2011 tundra crewmax, I added a rear axle flip kit. So rear axle clearance is 3.5" inches less than stock. Can I order a shortened length that will fit my application?
Hi Richard - we don't sell different size SumoSprings outside of the ones that are part of the kits. This particular one is a 4" spring. Apologies! - Tom
Hopefully someone can reply and provide assistance. I have a 2006 tundra, and hauling a camper, roughly at 5000lbs. The vehicle is also a daily driver. I'm assuming I should go with the blue? Also, these replace or act just like an airbag or helper spring, correct?
Hey guys, I have a 97 ram 2500. I really need the yellow option for my 1988 truck bed camper. It's very heavy. Also, I noticed you only have front end options available. Is there anything I can buy that will fit in place of the old bump stops? Otherwise I'll be buying Timbrens, since they have my make and model
@@SuperSpringsInternational thank you for the response. I was thinking, since the receiver side of the bump stop is just a flat surface, maybe I could drill a hole and bolt-on one of the available models. Seems like it would work
Thanks for the great explanation! I have an RV based on a 2021 extended Ford Transit Van. Weight is 8500 lbs before we load it up a little. What color would you recommend for the rear? Is there also a product for the front of the 2021 Transit van? PS: Just to confirm, it looks like on the Transit van I just replace the current bumpers.
Hi Jon - there's a couple options here. Of course, having SumoSprings is an option you want on there because that's what's going to give you the vibration reduction and damping. The kit for front and rear is the K-10-008. That includes the rear SumoSprings and the Coil SumoSprings for the front. In the front it's the CSS-1195 - a simple insert that is the same material as our rear solution. This is will solve the nosedive and side to side movement. If you think it's a real heavy build, we have a steel helper spring for the rear also. We're standard equipment on the Coachmen class B line and they use the steel on their transit since it's so heavy. That's the SSA43. You can also pair that with the SSR-121-40 in the rear to get the SumoSprings benefits and the support of the steel. Hope that helps. -Tom
@@SuperSpringsInternational Thanks for the reply. The Coachmen is actually what we have! It's really stable, but it would be nice to dampen the rear a little. I think I will add the SumoSprings you mention. Just one question--when installing, do you recommend leaving a little space or go for constant contact? (PS: after I posted this question, I found your video where you mention both together. Sorry if I posted the same question in two places.)
@@jon8625 Constant contact for an RV like the one you have. Pairing the blue will a nice compliment to what our friends at Coachmen already set it up with. -Adam
@@nooneidaho333 Super! Need to wait for warmer weather to install. By the way, about the only problem I see installing is that, when load is off the tires, I only have about 2.5 inches of working space. Any tips on getting the socket in and out? I was thinking of stacking several short spacers to that I can take them off one at a time after installation.
@@jon8625 best I've seen is get as much load off as you can, and hand start it with a socket extender, then you can shimmy it out as the sumo will give quite a bit. Will take some pull but you wont hurt the SumoSprings.
I've been itching to hit the purchase button, but I need advice. I have a 2020 ram promaster 1500. Purpose of use is cargo deliveries of up to 1000 pounds daily. Which sumo spring do you prefer with a comfortable ride quality eliminating as much bounce as possible?
Hi, iam buying a 2023 thor rize 18m 1500.I will be getting a 1and 1/2 inch lift and the only thing I will be hauling are a couple of fat tire ebikes no more than 150lbs.Would installing SUMO SPRINGS FRONT AND BACK ONTOP OF LIFT BE A GOOD IDEA?And if so what color Sumos would you recommend? Great video and thanks for your support!
hey guys and gals thanks for the informative video. If you have time to respond it would be greatly appreciated. I have a 2017 Ford Transit 250 highroof extended, that at the moment it is a cargo van... Soon to be converted into an adventure tin can!! Im hoping to keep the interior build out under 2500 lbs loaded and may push 3k depending on the trip as well as 400lbs of motorcycle and rack hanging off the rear bumper. what colour would you recommend ? Also if a mild lift (2 inches) is added down the road would that basically eliminate their usability or would I still retain some benefit. cheers
Hi Billy, I'd go with our SuperSprings and SumoSprings for the rear and our Coil SumoSprings for the front of your van. This combo will help keep your van level with all the motorcycle weight hanging off the back and still ride smoothly and controlled. A 2-inch lift should be fine. In the future if you need some spacers for the SumoSprings you can always message us. Rear: SuperSprings: www.superspringsinternational.com/shop/ssa42/ SumoSprings: www.superspringsinternational.com/shop/ssr-121-40/ Front: Follow the directions on our page to get the right fit for your vehicle here: SuperSpringsint.com/Coil-SumoSprings/
@@SuperSpringsInternational really appreciate the response. If I could ask one more question or maybe you could point me in the direction of a "how to" video for this answer. When making the initial fitment specifically in the rear how do you set up initial ride contact loaded vs unloaded ? Will fitment with the recommended 1/2 inch bump stop clearance unloaded suffice once the van is built out with no future adjustments? or if i'm setting up on an already loaded van how is initial squish determined. ?? hope that makes sense thanks again
I want to get rid of the sag on my Tacoma 2021 when I fully load the bed of the truck with mulch or gravel. Blue or black will do? I'm thinking 0.5 to 1 ton of weight at that point.
@@SuperSpringsInternational I'd say every three months. Sometimes I haul a trailer with drywall and the sag is awful and that's with just about fifteen sheets of drywall. I've seen people carry way more than that.
Have a 2019 f350 “welding rig”. Custom bed and welding equipment weigh roughly 5k lbs and pulling a 14k dry weight 5th wheel camper. what color would you recommend?
I’m running a 21 gmc 1500 3.0 diesel. I have a rsi canopy deck system and two dog kennels. I also do sled river boat. I’m thinking black due to the gear in the bed. Would that make sense?
If you're loaded heavily most of the time then I'd go with the black. If you plan on driving it unloaded as well and the load isn't as heavy then I'd go with the blue. - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational yes my canopy and deck system will always be in with the kennels. Im thinking that that is 4-600 lbs so the 1500 of the black should be the right move. Thanks
I have a 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 and is a daily driver but what size should I get for a 6000to 8000 pound bumper pull camper the SSR 211-40 or the SSR 201-40-2?
Adam you provide a wealth of information in your videos. I've installed Sumos on two of my rigs. Rear Solo Blues on my 2024 Canyon to alleviate squat while towing my boat. They keep the truck level even with 600 lbs of tongue weight and reduce rear end bounce at hwy speeds. Installing the Rebel 2 piece Blues up front and Maxim Yellows on the rear of my 2023 Tiffin Open Road F53 chassis motor home has really improved the ride and handling, they work hand in hand with the anti sway bars reducing body roll as well as soften harsh road inputs to the leaf spring suspension. The coach stays noticeably flatter through the corners which makes it a heckuva lot more enjoyable to drive.
I've installed the blue variant on both my Tacoma and Tundra pickups. In both cases I added Sumo springs for a task-specific purposes, which they've worked great for. The unloaded ride is unaffected, at least as far as I can tell. I highly recommend them!
We love hearing this! Thanks for sharing - Josh
I have installed the black sumos on a 8900lb 36 foot travel trailer and it has made an incredible difference, the sway, bumps and swings have improved tremendously . I have the timbrens on my 1500 Silverado , timbrens are way more ridgid when not loaded.. ..
Amazing! I'm happy to hear that you're enjoying a better journey! - Josh
Great Video SumoSprings Team!!!
Thanks guys! -Adam
Great product! I have Blues on the rear and your new Blue Sumos for the front of my 2017 Tacoma. These should come standard on Tacos!
Totally agree 😎 -Adam
How did the front Sumos improve the ride, control etc. I have the blues on the rear of my Nissan Titan, but have been thinking of adding the fronts too. Thx!
Adam, outstanding video and outstanding product. Thanks for your professional customer service and now producing camper summos which will definitely lessen the earthquake tremor to the structure of the camper while in tow.
Thank you for the support! - Josh
Hey Steve - we appreciate your business and taking the time to comment here! -Adam
Great job Adam
Thanks Charles it’s thanks to awesome partners like you, Jim, and United RV! -Adam
Just purchased the blue set for my 2012 Tacoma. Just looking for a little support when I tow our 3000 lbs camper. I can’t believe I never heard of you guys until today!
This is awesome! Can't wait to have you try us out! - Josh
Any updates on ride quality? Thx! 🍻
My 2019 4runner sags 3 inches with a 320lb tongue weight from my 3200lb single axle 18 foot camper. I think black is the way to go for my upcoming 4 months on the road.
Thoughts appreciated. Looks like a great product...just hoping to choose the best option...."daily ride comfort" is not a concern for me. Thanks.
Hi there. We would have to agree with you that the Black SumoSprings would be the best bet especially considering your upcoming 4 months on the road towing that camper! Thanks for stopping by and enjoy your trip! #JourneyBetter 😎
You should do a similar video for the three designs:
- attached at only one end, so it hangs free when the suspension droops enough (Solo?)
- attached at both ends, so it is always active (Maxim?)
- separate top and bottom pieces which come together when the suspension compresses enough (Rebel?)
We love this idea! We'll keep it in our notes for now :) - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational Would also like to a video explaining how many spacers to use.
Thanks , Im going to order the blue for my F150s and yellow for the duramax trucks.
Awesome, we're excited for you ! Feel free to tag us in any pictures or videos you post! - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational I will. I wanted to ask is there any issues with temperature extremes on the sumo springs. Such as hardening, cracking or becoming too soft? sometimes I’m working in -15, sometimes I’m working In 110.
@@mcciaccio That's a good question. We've burned our SumoSprings at over 3000 degrees then installed them on the truck and they performed just as well. SumoSprings perform normally all the way down to -22 degrees Fahrenheit. After that, they may rebound slightly slower.
Adam, thanks for the video, I have been considering your springs for my Alfa Gold fifth wheel. Weighs about 11,500. Fairly heavy. In doing my research I came across a video on youtube from “downsizing makes cents”. The title is “are they taking our home away, totaled”. They have a bent frame on a solitude fifth wheel, and while getting it looked at at texas trailers they point to the sumo spring as the reason. They don’t say if the trailer is massively overloaded or anything like that so we don’t know but it does give me pause. If you have a minute and can look at their video for feedback. The video is about 3 weeks old as of my comment. And they are implicating sumo so might be worth you looking at. Thanks for your time. the assessment starts about 8 minutes in. Guy
Hi, thanks for bringing that video to our attention. Feel free to check out the reply :) - Josh
I have both timbren and sumo springs.. timbrens on my 1500 are definitely stiffer and handle more overload applications, 4 sumos on my 36' camper to help with the sway and bumpy ride. The stiffer they are they more they handle the load, sumo compresses a lot compared to timbren so it can be a softer ride. Both of these have made it possible to tow such a large camper with a 1500 but your truck will take a beating even with all this tech. 1500 just not made for the application i was putting it through , upgraded to a 2500..
Thanks for your comment! I appreciate that you took the time to test different options and different applications. Are you considering getting SumoSprings on your 2500?
@@SuperSpringsInternational yes i am for the front, gotta tow in a couple weeks but the price is slowing me down..
@@joealves5070 Thank you for considering SuperSprings for your towing needs! We understand that the cost can be a concern. However, our suspension solutions are designed to provide superior support, stability, and safety, which can make a significant difference when you're towing. Investing in a high-quality product can save you from potential issues down the road, ensuring a smoother and safer experience. If you have any questions or need further assistance, please let us know. We're here to help you make the best choice for your needs.
Durometer readings and density are completely different concepts. A durometer reads hardness (which, for an elastomer, suggests elastic modulus), and density is just the mass per unit volume.
SumoSprings utilize density as a key metric because it directly affects the performance characteristics of the material. The density of the microcellular urethane used in SumoSprings influences their ability to compress and rebound effectively, providing the right balance of support and cushioning for various loads and driving conditions. Unlike airbags or steel springs, SumoSprings' density is carefully engineered to deliver consistent performance over time, maintaining their shape and effectiveness even under heavy loads. This ensures that vehicles equipped with SumoSprings enjoy improved stability, reduced sway, and a smoother ride, making them a reliable and durable suspension enhancement option.
Wish I would have waited and tried these. I have a Tacoma with icon rxt leafs(1.5” lift) and timberline bumps… I put a 50lb sand bag to help reduce chatter over bumps… the timberlines seem to bottom out hard over big dips on the streets…
It's never too late! How can we help you move over to using SumoSprings as your solution instead? -Tom
@@SuperSpringsInternational send me over a set to swap out with these Timbren bump stops 😁I’d be happy to compare them
Wish you made a blue rear kit for ram 2500. The black ones are too stiff for everyday. They’re great with the crawler hauler hooked up but man they are stiff when I’m not towing. I called and tried to get some shorter springs or something to swap in and they won’t sell parts just full kits. Thinking about cutting them down but they’re so expensive. I would like to get some blue ones to swap in and try them.
Sorry to hear that. I'd love to help. Could you send me an email with this message? Thanks, Joshua@superspringsint.com - Josh
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Wish I had found this information before I bought the 40s "yellow "
Super happy with my slide in camper loaded on my 1500. Not so much with the unloaded 2500 like ride.
I think I would have been happier with the blue.
Sorry to hear about that. If it's been less than 30 days you can contact our sales team about possibly exchanging the ones you purchased. - Josh
Why not yellow?
@@jorad4887 HI just makes my 1/2 ton ride like a 3/4 when empty.
I have gone back to the oem for that and will reinstall the yellow when I load the camper.
I have a 2021 Newmar Baystar Motorhome 3609 and, last year, I had Suma Springs installed on the front and back. S 17340-2 SF - 17340-2 on the front and SSR - 18754-1 on the rear. The ride is WAY worse! We’ve had door problems , cabinet hardware torn off and other issues. They were installed at National Indoor RV centers in Louisville. I’ve been working with them and they say there’s nothing they can do. We have owned multiple RVs for more than 30 years and we’ve never had such a bad ride. This is the newest and most expensive coach we’ve ever owned and we now worry about other issues that might be going on that we can’t see. What can we do?
Wish I would have saw this video before I purchased the black -47's for my f150.
Sounds like the blue 40's would have been better for my application. Installing the black ones in a few days for a camping trip later this week. Hope it isn't too rigid.
Let me know how you like them. If you're within the 30-day time frame you can always exchange them for the blue ones. - Josh
Hello read your comment. Wanted to know how your camping trip went with the black sumos. I bought some 47s also and i hope theyre not too rigid
You all need to make these for motorcycles.
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So, any word on when or if they will be available for my new 2024 Toyota Tacoma, or do I need to go get it from Timbren, my honest question
Hey there! Great question, and thanks for your patience. We're actually in the process of engineering a new part specifically for the 2024 Toyota Tacoma right now. It’s still in development, but we’re working hard to get it just right! We’ll be sure to announce the availability as soon as it's ready. In the meantime, send us an email at marketing@superspringsint.com so we can connect more on this! #JourneyBetter
I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong I have a 2023 Tacoma. I purchased the front sumo springs, I raised the front wheels where totally hanging after removing the OEM, I didn’t have enough space to install the new ones.
Hi there! As noted in the instructions, if there is insufficient clearance to install the SumoSpring it may be necessary to unbolt the lower shock/strut mount and swaybar link and apply downward force on the tire. Once installed, reattach strut and swaybar and torque to manufacturers specification.
Hey team! I drive an 2005 2WD Tundra. I mainly use it to tow a 1300lb aluminum trailer with a 2100lb car on there, but also like to drive the truck at least 6 times a month as a daily driver. I'd like to reduce the rear end squat when towing only for safety reasons. Blue or Black?
Sounds like blue would be best for me after watching some of your other videos.
Yah I would go with the blue to maintain a good unloaded ride. If that doesn't work for you, we can switch out to the blacks. We have a 30 day money back guarantee! -Tom
I carry a canopy all the time n many tools… trailers now n then.. which one should a get? Canopy is probably 200 pounds n 100 pounds tool everyday
Have the blue but it's the only one you can get on a 07 suburban I wanted Yellow they just don't make the good stuff for my truck had to add airbags Because no yellow
I have a 2018 Tacoma crew cab long bed. I have a fiberglass canopy and a C4 rear high clearance bumper with swing out with my spare tire mounted to it year round. Daily driver few times a year I tow a trailer with a couple quads in it loaded with camping / hunting gear between the truck and trailer. Should I go with blue ? Or black ? 1:10
Thank you 👍
I have a 1994 Ford F-150 XLT two-wheel drive extra cab it sounds like the blue or the black would be perfect for my truck I plan on getting an 8-foot slide-in truck camper and it sounds like either one of these would be a good choice did keep a safe normal ride height
I'd go with blue! I suggest you check out our Builder kit page on our website, SuperSpringsint.com/Builder-kits/
If I have a sport bar and a bed cover, should I go with the blue, yellow or the black sumo springs?
I’ve got a Tacoma that gets worked hard. Constant load with racks tools drawers and a shell. Rarely ever empty. 3.5” x 2.75” lift stage III deavers and I can get them to sag a little lol. We wheel a lot and travel is also important. Would the blacks still be too dense?
Since the truck is consistently loaded with weight, black SumoSprings would be the right choice.
Can you use these in conjunction with airbags?
We strongly discourage combining airbags with SumoSprings, as they tend to conflict. For optimal performance, it's recommended to use SumoSprings independently. Great question! -Matt
I have a 2020 14,000lb Winnebago Vista. What color would you recommend?
Hi there! What chassis is this sitting on? -Andrew
@@SuperSpringsInternationalsame question I’m running on a F53 ford chassis , 28 ft is blue ok ? We sway a lot . Thx
Hey guys we travel full time with a 10k travel trailer. My ram 3500 has no issues towing but wanted to get some more support. I was thinking about running the black. Would you recommend the blue? Also when we hit the road we do quite a few miles.
Yes , I'd recommend our SSR-302-47 SumoSprings and our trailer sumosprings for your trailer - Josh
What would happen if i put sumosprings on a normal sedan car under 2 tons, which is not used for heavy load? Would it harden the ride?
I'm looking for something to smoothen my average car ride (':
Thanks in advance
Hello again! Just replied to your other comment but SumoSprings would work great! Of course provided we have an application for your specific vehicle. You can find that out on our website after you put some vehicle information. You can always call us or use our website chat feature for more assistance if needed. Thanks! www.superspringsinternational.com
Great looking product! My Hino dutro 4x4 3ton tare has very bouncy suspension front and back. Will SumoSpings x 4 stiffen up the bounce and add more stability and less recoil?
Yes it will! I'd check out our builder kits. SuperSpringsint.com/builder-kits/ - Josh
Which, if any, Sumo Spring might you suggest for a skoolie? I would think they’d work great on the shorter buses or a step van. But what about the longer buses, like 40’ long? Especially, gas operated buses as opposed to diesel? Or engine type factor into this?
We currrently don't have anything listed for buses. If you wanted to custom fit our SumoSprings onto your bus & had questions about it, it'd be best to ask our engineerings team directly at tech@supersprings.com. Thanks - Josh
need yall to make rear bu,bstops for 97 4 runner
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Just found this product and they look amazing. I have a 14 tundra thats towing a 6000lb trailer daily for work and also a daily driver after work. Would you suggest blue or black? Thank you
Do you carry anything on the bed? - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational nope.
Hello. Thankyou for such a great product. I have a 2016 Thor ACE 30.1 motorhome. GVWR is 18,000 lbs. Is the blue Sumo Spring for the front, going to give me the smoother ride/less vibration and help with body roll. I have Safe T Steer and the Roadmaster Anti Sway bar installed which has helped tremendously on wind days.
Thankyou
Hi Derrick, I'd go with our SuperSpringsint.com/SSF-170-40-2/ kit for the front of your motorhome and the SuperSpringsint.com/SSR-187-40-1/ for the rear. - Josh
This product is cool af. Why doesnt ford gm and dodge make this oem. They should buy this from you..
We agree!
Hey I really like this idea. I have a 2012 Tundra regular cab short box but it’s constantly loaded with at least 1000-1200lbs of overlanding kit. Ride height is fine at a stop, but it’s way to soft over dips at speed or when towing a trailer. Blue or black? Thanks in advance.
I'd go with our -47 blacks. - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational thanks for the quick reply! Much appreciated. We’d love to see Sumo Springs at a future OverlandNTH event!
How do you determine which support spring to use on a fifth wheel RV? Mine has two 7000# axles and GVW of 16,000#.
If for the trailer we have two options of springs - the BLUE one for 3000-5000 axles (TSS-107-40 spring over, TSS-106-47 spring under) - and the BLACK for 5000-8000 axles (TSS-107-47 spring over, TSS-106-47 spring under). You’d need the black. 👍🏼 -Adam
I have a Titan diesel that tows a 14000 gvwr dump trailer....which color should I get.
Hi Patrick. What year is your Titan?
About to purchase. 2014 tacoma double cave short bed 1.5 add a leaf and have a leer 100xr on all the time and usually a bike rack on the hitch ... should I go w the black density? Also I occasionally tow a 6x12 enclosed cargo trailer. In leaning towards the -47 thanks !
Are you sagging bad now? -Adam
@@SuperSpringsInternational its level unloaded. Sags bad with the trailer. I also have the front lifted 1.75" with bilstien 5100. Trying to be less sagged out when loaded
I’d suggest the blue density for you since you’re mostly unloaded. They’ll kick in and give you back an inch or more when towing, plus a lot better control and ride comfort. -Adam
I have a Blue bird tc2000 Built out to an RV that i'm looking into improving the body roll, vibrations, and bounce of the factory springs. My rig weighed in at 23000k when we last went on a trip fully loaded. can the yellow springs support that kind of weight, or should I go with Timbrens for my application?
Unfortunately, we don't have products that would fit your vehicle. - Josh
What would you recommend for a 5th gen Toyota 4Runer with an unloaded weight (ie, daily driving) of 6000 lbs (Front = 3140What would you recommend for a 5th gen Toyota 4Runer with an unloaded (ie, daily driving) weight of 6000 lbs (Front = 3140 lbs; Rear 2860 lbs)?
What about when adding another 300-400 lbs in the rear when camping?
More considerations:
* I also have KDSS.
* Suspension: Fox 2.5 shocks with DSC adjusters and reservoirs (FOX-883-06-130, FOX-883-26-004), and 2" Heavy duty Icon springs in the rear (ICON-52700)
* Most of the extra weight is Front: Front full aluminum bumper and steel plate protectors for the front bumper, engine, and transmission
* Steel side step on rails
* GFC Rooftop tent
So your vehicle is mainly unloaded besides the rooftop tent? - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational not quite factory.
275 tires, full suspension, CBI full skid plates (steel), CBI front bumper (aluminum), winch, sound dampening and audio equipment.
I own a 2020 Jayco Motorhome F53 chassis. In November I purchased the rear yellow springs because of etrailers recommendation. My coach weighs 18,000 lbs. These are too stiff after 1 trip I don’t think this is wise to keep them on. I can’t afford new so is it possible to soften these with adding holes? Is this a good idea? Could you please help?
Hi there! If your F53 GVWR is 18k and you have a yellow rear kit, then it seems to me you have the incorrect part number for your setup. With an 18k GVWR you will need the blue kit for the rear which is softer for the lighter F53's. It is recommended to return the kit and order the correct part number. If you need assistance ordering the correct item, please contact our Customer Service team.
I have a 2017 f250 powerstroke. Has a leveling kit and I drive from Louisiana to North Dakota for work. I pull trailers that weight up to 12-15k pounds normally and was wonder which colder would be best.
Hi Hunter, how often do you tow? More than 50% or less than 50% of the time? - Josh
Less than 50% of the time. But when I do they are over 10k majority of the time. I just don’t wanna hurt ride quality while drivin 22 hours from Louisiana to North Dakota for days off, ect.
So do these work when you pull a gooseneck with a load? Hotshoting.
Would a change to Sump springs also need an adjustment in the camber setting? If we use the same setting on camber with the new springs could it possibly have an effect on early tire wear on the outside edge? We’ve installed Sumo springs about 3-4 years ago and love the changes it’s made in wobbly stability (we have a Sprinter Chassis Winnebago View 2017). However we’ve never been able to get over 25000 miles on a set of new front tires. No matter what we try we can’t find a shop to set the various things to make them work. It’s frustrating to keep changing tires and also not fun to get the choppy ride that comes with the tire wear on the outside.
Thank you for reaching out and sharing your experience with SumoSprings. We appreciate your loyalty to our product and are glad to hear about the positive changes it has brought to your vehicle's stability. Regarding your question about adjustments to the camber setting, while SumoSprings typically do not require adjustments to the camber setting, maintaining proper alignment is crucial for tire longevity and optimal performance.
Using the same camber setting with the new springs may indeed have an effect on early tire wear on the outside edge, especially if your vehicle has experienced excessive tire wear in the past. We recommend consulting with a professional alignment specialist who can assess your specific situation and make any necessary adjustments to ensure proper alignment and tire wear.
We understand the frustration of frequent tire changes and the discomfort of a choppy ride due to tire wear. We encourage you to seek out a reputable shop that specializes in alignment and suspension work to address these concerns comprehensively. If you need any further assistance or guidance, please don't hesitate to reach out to our customer support team. We're here to help ensure you get the most out of your SumoSprings experience. -Matt
I have a 2020 ford ranger with about 200 pounds of gear, a bed platform made out of plywood 200 pounds, a camper shell 150 pounds, and a roof rack 65 pounds. So I have a grand total of 615 pounds static on the rear of my truck. More weight when going on trips, but day to day this is what I carry. Should I go with a blue or a black sumo spring? I do lots of off-roading and have after market medium duty old man emu leafsprings. As well as eibach shocks front and rear.
Hi Nico, thanks for reaching out. Is your Ford Ranger a domestic US model or an International model? - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational it’s a 2020 fx4 XLT made in USA, I actually ordered the blue springs given the better articulation off-road compared to the black ones
Just asking which Sumo Spring I would need,. 22 f250 short box, 85% of the year it’s a daily driver, no load.15% of time it tows a 5W. About 5-7k a year. When loaded with the 5W. The front measures from the ground to bottom of fender above the tire measures 41” and when loaded 40 1/2”. The rear unloaded measures 42 1/2” and loaded 40”. Lights don’t shine in the trees and it rides good. No sway.
Thank you
Is your truck a 4x4 or 4x2? For the front, I'd recommend the SSF-111-40. - Josh
My truck has a lot of body roll as I’m driving on uneven roads, do you think think the blue springs would help reduce the body roll? I don’t plan on towing with that truck I just want a better ride quality.
Yes these would definitely help!
I am very interested in your product.
My question is which color to buy.
I have a 2002 E450 24 foot, 15 passenger shuttle bus.
It is a RV conversion so there is a bed, shower, kitchen table, and storage cabinets.
I dont believe the weight is any where near 15 passengers.
Which color would you recommend for front and back to soften the harsh ride?
A bump in the road is jarring and shakes everything around. It's awful.
I'd go with our SSR-107-47 kit for the rear of your vehicle and the SSF-106-40 for the front. - Josh
I have an 84 Chevrolet k20 flatbed. I went on your website. Didn't see any options for my truck
Sorry, we currently don't have any options for your truck at the moment. - Josh
Hey Josh hope you get this message soon, I want to buy a set of these for my Nissan Titan 2005. I currently use it to pull a 18ft Food Trailer, but the back of my truck seems to lower everytime. Food trailer should weight about 5,000 lbs. what color would best suit my truck? And thanks for your time!
Hi there! How often is your vehicle fully loaded and/or towing? Is your truck strictly for towing or do you also use it as a daily driver? -Andrew
Do sumosprings freeze in the winter. I drive my 2010 GMC Savana DIY Camper year round, we do alot of winter camping. 🇨🇦 And word on the street is these springs retain water and freeze up. Is there any truth to this ??
Past -20 Fahrenheit our SumoSprings rebound time is much slower. - Josh
Bought a 4 wheel pop up camper that lives full time on my 19 Ram 2500.
With the weight of the camper just shy of 2,000lbs, would you recommend the black or yellow spring. Thanks!
I'd actually go with our Rebel SumoSprings instead. You'd get the most support from those. It would either be the SSR-316-40-2 if your vehicle is s 4x2 or the SSR-315-40-2 if your vehicle is a 4x4. - Josh
Which sumo spring should I get 2001 chevy 2500HD 2wd. Looking for better ride quality and I haul a 11,000lb 5th wheel camper every now and then and sometimes just regular ol trailers.
Do you mainly drive your truck unloaded? - Josh
I have a 2017 Chevy Silverado with a 3” leveling kit on it in the front. I tow a 7500 lb trailer every couple of months. Would the blue sumos be good or should I bump it up?
Hi there 👋🏼 To keep your factory ride as nice as possible, I would suggest going with the blues (-40's). This will give you an enjoyable ride everyday and then for when you tow you've got the support. Your tongue weight is only around 800lbs so you'll be gold 😎 -Tom
I’m got a 2019 4runner SR5 and I tow our small single axle camper with my family quite a bit in the spring and summer. Based on what I’m hearing you say, the blue would make the most sense. Right now as it sit my weight distribution hitch is nicely dialed in. My question is, would adding the blues change how I’d have to set my wdh? Of course is still want the hitch transferring weight to the front end of the suv and not just sitting on the sumos in the back. What are your thoughts? Thanks!
You might need to make a light adjustment on your WDH - but on mine for instance, it just smoothed out the ride and helped it ride more level in addition to the WDH. Blue is definitely the way to go on your setup. -Adam
22 4Runner pro here, weekend warrior here, I see a lot of blue on these posts but at what point would need to go black on a mid size SUV?
Great information. I am looking to get sumos on my fifth wheel but not sure 🤔 what color to get being that my axels are 5200 pounds each and I know that blue is 3000 to 5000 pounds witch I'm slightly above. I'm leaning towards the blue but would love your opinion on it. Thanks 👍
Hi, is your fifth wheel spring-under or spring-over axle? What's the GAWR of it? - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational spring over and GVWR IS 1150
how much of a gap should there be to be able to maintain somewhat factory unloaded ride but able enough for support when loaded. 2021 Chevy Trail Boss, blue sumo springs and currently installed with spacer giving me 1/4 inch gap when unloaded. 7500 gvwr TT. thanks
About 1 inch or less is fine. What you sent is normal. If you want the SumoSpring to not make contact as soon, I'd remove the spacer. - Josh
Thinking about sumo springs on my 2018 Jayco Redhawk 29xk with a ford E450. What springs would you recommend? Does that go according to max weight of motorhome?
Hi there! For your vehicle we recommend the SSR-106-47-1 for the rear and SSF-106-40 for the front 👍 -Andrew
By any chance, can you buy 2 spacers for each size, like 4 in total for the rear? To maybe get 1” or 1/2” more ride height in the back? Thank you
You can always buy additional spacers from our site via the chat feature on our website, SuperSpringsint.com
I have a 2019 ram 1500. I would mostly he pulling a full size landscape trailer with 2 mowers. Which ones would you recommend?
Hi Jose - we might even recommend you go with our SuperCoils for that. They're a heavy duty replacement coil in the rear that will take away the sag and help with body roll and sway (SSC-50). We also have SumoSprings for the trailer - www.superspringsinternational.com/trailer-sumosprings/
I go to your website to order for my wrangler JK 2010, and for the front it automatically recommenda the yellow springs for front and black for the rear. Im doing zero towing, moderate offroad, my main issue is to have the comfort on bumps. Isnt yellow too hard for my needs?
Hi Alisan - really great question. Maybe we should do some specific vehicle videos on this because Jeeps are a little different. We only make certain colors for the Jeep because of the size of the springs we're fitting and the performance. The front yellow and the rear blacks are perfect for the Jeep. Check out this video to see what it looks like... ua-cam.com/video/gn15IKwrxWk/v-deo.html -Tom
I own a 2014 awd chevy express 1500 and I'm really having a difficult time finding out if I can use the black ones on the rear... Dead end wherever I go...
What do you use your van for? Is it loaded heavy all the time? - Josh
So for a 4wd suv with a 200lbs rtt 250lbs front metal bumper and winch combo what load spring would be recommended up front blue or black?
I'd go with our lightest density, blue. - Josh
I have a 2018 4runner 4wd....with a 3 inch lift. Are your bump stop made for lifted vehicles?
Hi, we have spacers to accommodate vehicles that are lifted. - Josh
So my bump stops and brackets have been cut off due to having air bag suspension, now I’m back to shocks . Is there anything for me in a 2003 Chevy tahoe for bump stop but no brackets ?
Give us a call or chat with us / send photos and we can look to help out Jose. -Adam
@@SuperSpringsInternational hi there...I have a Tacoma 2019 offroad trim and I have a canopy camper and cabinets inside,I got maybe 500 pounds.I added an extra leaf on each sides...in your opinion Wich is the best sumo spring color to order???
@@229Reaper I'd go with our blue sumosprings - Josh
@@229Reaper I'd go with our blue!- Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational do you know by chance how much is the tork for the bolts when reinstalling on the Tacoma??
I have a 2018 Stock suspension Tacoma with a camper shell rack and drawer system. Around 400 lbs of load on at all times. The rear is sagging one inch, should I get blue or black? I do not tow at all
If you don't tow or haul at all, I recommend the blue. - Josh
Hello there I have a 3.5 tonne Peugeot boxer campervan. Should I go for black or yellow on the rear thanks.
Hi, what year is your vehicle and is it loaded to the max? - Josh
Want to upgrade my Class A RV suspension. 26k lb GVWR what would you recommend
Hi there! Sounds like you're talking about your Gas F53 chassis, correct? We have a kits that are designed for the front of rear for the F53 that will eliminate the body roll and front end dip and make the whole thing drive more like an oversized SUV! We've listed the parts by make and model right here: superspringsinternational.com/ford-f53/ -Tom
Can I use this springs on 3" lowered rear end of a '00 Silverado 1500 Ext. Cab ? Thank you in advance for your response.
Unfortunately, our products are not compatible with lowered kits. -Matt
Installed the blue springs on my 2021 Titan. They did not come with spacers. I have about a half inch gap. Should they be riding on the frame or should there be a gap
They should have about 1in to 1/2 gap. So the ones you installed are perfect. - Josh
Are these a replacement for shocks? Or just a add on for better ride quality?
Add on for load leveling, ride comfort and control. They designed and engineered to work in concert with your factory suspension. -Adam
These foam blocks do not replace shock absorbers.
I have a 2010 tundra 4x4 and what color sumo spring should i use. My truck is not lift.
As a general rule of thumb, we pretty much always recommend the blue. This is going to give you the best support while not affecting your unloaded ride. Moving to a black (-47) or even yellow (-54) isn't the right application unless your pretty much constantly loaded.
- Tom
What if I take out my rear blocks and I have a slight rearward tilt would it constantly ride on the spring and if so what would you recommend?
Is your vehicle currently lifted? Could you send us pictures of your suspension? With the question above? marketing@superspringsint.com - Josh
Hi, will you recommend having both rear and front sumos or the rear are more than enough?
For a full vehicle transformation, we'd recommend getting both the front and rear set. But if you could only get one the rear will do ! - Josh
I installed rear sumo springs and supersprings on my 4x4 sprinter recently. Should I have only installed one and not both?
The ride is much better btw. SSR-327-47-2 and SSA55 for a 2019 Mercedes Sprinter 2500 4x4.
Hi there! Not necessarily - we have a lot of folks that install both together. The SuperSprings will give you all the ride height back and really control sway and body roll. The SumoSprings have all the vibration reduction features so that's going to give you the beautiful ride! -Tom
Do these change the unloaded ride height?
👋🏼 Hi John! No these are not designed to lift the vehicle or change the factory ride height. With that said, for vehicles that are already sagging due to weight, they are designed to help you get back to ride height. But to your point, that's not affecting "unloaded" ride height.
- Tom
Great question!! Glad I got that answered!
I have a 2” lift block in the rear of my f150 is there an application for trucks with lift blocks ?
Hi Ponce, yeah we have spacers! The thing about a block, however, is that you've most likely raised the whole suspension by 2 inches so the gap is between the leaf and the frame is the same. Give us a call so we can make sure we're getting you the right information and recommendation for your truck - 800 898 0705. -Tom
I have a 2011 tundra crewmax, I added a rear axle flip kit. So rear axle clearance is 3.5" inches less than stock. Can I order a shortened length that will fit my application?
Hi Richard - we don't sell different size SumoSprings outside of the ones that are part of the kits. This particular one is a 4" spring. Apologies! - Tom
Hopefully someone can reply and provide assistance. I have a 2006 tundra, and hauling a camper, roughly at 5000lbs. The vehicle is also a daily driver. I'm assuming I should go with the blue? Also, these replace or act just like an airbag or helper spring, correct?
I'd go with our blue, and these replace your stock bump stop and act like an alternative airbag. Is your vehicle 4x4 or 4x2? -Josh
Do you it for a VW LT35 2006?
Check our page, SuperSpringsint.com/Coil-SumoSprings/
Hey guys, I have a 97 ram 2500. I really need the yellow option for my 1988 truck bed camper. It's very heavy. Also, I noticed you only have front end options available. Is there anything I can buy that will fit in place of the old bump stops? Otherwise I'll be buying Timbrens, since they have my make and model
Looks like we don't have anything listed currently for the rear. Sorry about that. - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational thank you for the response. I was thinking, since the receiver side of the bump stop is just a flat surface, maybe I could drill a hole and bolt-on one of the available models. Seems like it would work
Would these help me reduce bumps when off-roading in a 2018 f-150 ? Or is it just for the swaying when towing big loads
Yes! You'd definitely get some benefit from using SumoSprings when Off-roading. - Josh
Thanks for the great explanation! I have an RV based on a 2021 extended Ford Transit Van. Weight is 8500 lbs before we load it up a little. What color would you recommend for the rear? Is there also a product for the front of the 2021 Transit van? PS: Just to confirm, it looks like on the Transit van I just replace the current bumpers.
Hi Jon - there's a couple options here. Of course, having SumoSprings is an option you want on there because that's what's going to give you the vibration reduction and damping. The kit for front and rear is the K-10-008. That includes the rear SumoSprings and the Coil SumoSprings for the front. In the front it's the CSS-1195 - a simple insert that is the same material as our rear solution. This is will solve the nosedive and side to side movement. If you think it's a real heavy build, we have a steel helper spring for the rear also. We're standard equipment on the Coachmen class B line and they use the steel on their transit since it's so heavy. That's the SSA43. You can also pair that with the SSR-121-40 in the rear to get the SumoSprings benefits and the support of the steel. Hope that helps. -Tom
@@SuperSpringsInternational Thanks for the reply. The Coachmen is actually what we have! It's really stable, but it would be nice to dampen the rear a little. I think I will add the SumoSprings you mention. Just one question--when installing, do you recommend leaving a little space or go for constant contact? (PS: after I posted this question, I found your video where you mention both together. Sorry if I posted the same question in two places.)
@@jon8625 Constant contact for an RV like the one you have. Pairing the blue will a nice compliment to what our friends at Coachmen already set it up with. -Adam
@@nooneidaho333 Super! Need to wait for warmer weather to install. By the way, about the only problem I see installing is that, when load is off the tires, I only have about 2.5 inches of working space. Any tips on getting the socket in and out? I was thinking of stacking several short spacers to that I can take them off one at a time after installation.
@@jon8625 best I've seen is get as much load off as you can, and hand start it with a socket extender, then you can shimmy it out as the sumo will give quite a bit. Will take some pull but you wont hurt the SumoSprings.
I've been itching to hit the purchase button, but I need advice. I have a 2020 ram promaster 1500. Purpose of use is cargo deliveries of up to 1000 pounds daily. Which sumo spring do you prefer with a comfortable ride quality eliminating as much bounce as possible?
For your rig van, I'd recommend our SSR-313-40. SuperSpringsint.com/SSR-313-40/
Let me know if you have any more questions. - Josh
Hi, iam buying a 2023 thor rize 18m 1500.I will be getting a 1and 1/2 inch lift and the only thing I will be hauling are a couple of fat tire ebikes no more than 150lbs.Would installing SUMO SPRINGS FRONT AND BACK ONTOP OF LIFT BE A GOOD IDEA?And if so what color Sumos would you recommend? Great video and thanks for your support!
hey guys and gals thanks for the informative video. If you have time to respond it would be greatly appreciated. I have a 2017 Ford Transit 250 highroof extended, that at the moment it is a cargo van... Soon to be converted into an adventure tin can!! Im hoping to keep the interior build out under 2500 lbs loaded and may push 3k depending on the trip as well as 400lbs of motorcycle and rack hanging off the rear bumper. what colour would you recommend ? Also if a mild lift (2 inches) is added down the road would that basically eliminate their usability or would I still retain some benefit. cheers
Hi Billy, I'd go with our SuperSprings and SumoSprings for the rear and our Coil SumoSprings for the front of your van. This combo will help keep your van level with all the motorcycle weight hanging off the back and still ride smoothly and controlled. A 2-inch lift should be fine. In the future if you need some spacers for the SumoSprings you can always message us.
Rear:
SuperSprings: www.superspringsinternational.com/shop/ssa42/
SumoSprings: www.superspringsinternational.com/shop/ssr-121-40/
Front: Follow the directions on our page to get the right fit for your vehicle here: SuperSpringsint.com/Coil-SumoSprings/
@@SuperSpringsInternational really appreciate the response. If I could ask one more question or maybe you could point me in the direction of a "how to" video for this answer. When making the initial fitment specifically in the rear how do you set up initial ride contact loaded vs unloaded ? Will fitment with the recommended 1/2 inch bump stop clearance unloaded suffice once the van is built out with no future adjustments? or if i'm setting up on an already loaded van how is initial squish determined. ?? hope that makes sense thanks again
I do light trails and rock crawling, would the blues effect my suspension travel / axle flex while crawling?
The blue SumoSprings compress up to 70% of their size. You won't lose any travel. - Josh
The blues compress up to 70% of their size so you shouldn't lose any travel! - Josh
what about for off road applications?
Our kits will work on off road applications! :)
@@SuperSpringsInternational should I get the blue ones if I'm driving my tacoma in rocky terrain?
Yes, as the blue density offers the most amount of give and allows for better suspension articulation :)@@patrickyoung2151
@@SuperSpringsInternational thank you for the information
Cheers! Glad we can help.@@patrickyoung2151
I want to get rid of the sag on my Tacoma 2021 when I fully load the bed of the truck with mulch or gravel. Blue or black will do? I'm thinking 0.5 to 1 ton of weight at that point.
Hi, that's a good question. How often do you load or tow? -Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational I'd say every three months. Sometimes I haul a trailer with drywall and the sag is awful and that's with just about fifteen sheets of drywall. I've seen people carry way more than that.
Have a 2019 f350 “welding rig”. Custom bed and welding equipment weigh roughly 5k lbs and pulling a 14k dry weight 5th wheel camper. what color would you recommend?
How much weight is on the bed on your daily drive?
@@SuperSpringsInternational around 4500-5000 lbs
I’m running a 21 gmc 1500 3.0 diesel. I have a rsi canopy deck system and two dog kennels. I also do sled river boat. I’m thinking black due to the gear in the bed. Would that make sense?
If you're loaded heavily most of the time then I'd go with the black. If you plan on driving it unloaded as well and the load isn't as heavy then I'd go with the blue. - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational yes my canopy and deck system will always be in with the kennels. Im thinking that that is 4-600 lbs so the 1500 of the black should be the right move.
Thanks
I have a single axle camper with a gvwr of 5000. It's always loaded to max. Is it better to use the blue or black?
What's the gawr? - Josh
I believe it's a 5,100 axle
I’m in the same boat. 5100 GAWR. Not sure if I should go blue or black for my single axle wolf pup camper.
I’ve tried calling your company twice today with no response or call back.
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I have a 2004 ford f-350 with a steel flat bed and the rear end runs 4,360 lbs constant, which color should I run?
If you're fully loaded with heavyweight constantly I'd say go with our Yellow SumoSpring. - Josh
@@SuperSpringsInternational I just don't know what's considered heavy for these sumos. Like I said the rear of my truck is 4,360 lbs.
I have a 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 and is a daily driver but what size should I get for a 6000to 8000 pound bumper pull camper the SSR 211-40 or the SSR 201-40-2?
How often do you tow or haul? - Josh
I would only tow the camper a couple of times a year and I would pull a box trailer for work it varies but I don’t tow on a daily.
So which one do you think?
@@SuperSpringsInternational did you get the replies
What sumo springs would you recommend for a Mercedes sprinter that is constantly fully loaded at its max weight
Yes! We do a lot of work on Sprinters. - Josh
I have a sprinter class c motor home, I installed the yellow ones in the rear and blue up front. Huge difference, just buy them.