Currently in my 2018 tacoma, I run it in sport mode only, I noticed in drive it would jump gears way to much and kill my gas mileage. I played with sport mode for a while and got about 3-4 mpg, not much but I do have less shifting unless I’m really gunning it, keeps it from jumping back and forth in the gears as it does in drive. I recommend if you do drive a Tacoma to utilize the sport function and have more control over your gears
Thank you for making this video I've owned by truck for a month now and have been ranting and raving and also calling Toyota asking why there are no gear packages available for this truck I'm sorely upset about the gearing on his truck and I completely agree with you on this thank you again for posting
my 2018 gets 19 to 22 mpg. stock new truck, but it did not get that until my dealer flashed the ecm with a new update they told me about. it no longer does this crazy hunting for gears and down shifting. it made the truck a WAY better and more fun to drive. yes some may need gears and i can see it would be a fix, but they fixed mine with a simple flash of the ecm.
We haven't seen much about this yet, is that something dealer warranty covers then? I'd venture to assume that while it likely helps having an updated tune, it can't replace the mechanical advantage for most truck owners. Speaking especially to the ones who modify them, but I am curious as to if your dealer covered this under warranty & if it would make things even better yet.
@@NitroGear No sir it cant replace gears for sure, and yes it was covered under warranty. I was very sick and sorry that i bought the truck (my first new vehicle) and when they did this, just as soon as i turned out on the street and took off!! i seen a huge difference. I now love the Tacoma and love driving it. Some people have told me there dealer has told them there truck was not eligible for this update because the vin number didn't qualify. No idea what thats all about, but they did mine for free.
Alright, while I plan to make the 4.88 jump, the scenario is different for everyone. I have a ‘16 on a 2” lift with 285s in load c, lighter wheels... I drive in Colorado daily, mostly freeway (75+ for 62 miles total) with speedo corrected I’m good for 19.5mpg (17.5 with mid height RTT on bed), if I’m in stop and go it gets worse, if I’m holding at 60 it’ll do trip averages at 21. I know I don’t use 6th all that much, but it’s there when necessary. My biggest thought is changing to 4.88s may alleviate some of the times it gets hung right between 2nd and 3rd (that is 3rd could then pull just a little lower vs. the jerky downshift to 2nd). It’s ultimately anecdotal as it’s one persons experience. When I began my build though, I tried to keep rolling/unsprung mass as low as possible if not lighter than stock.
I have a 2018 TRD OFF ROAD, bone stock, long bed, 6 speed auto. I get 21mpg on trips. 16mpg if I'm pulling my trailer with two dirtbikes in it. I use the ECT mode when towing or climbing hills. It feels much better in the ECT mode. When not in ECT mode it always feels like it's in one gear too high. Idk about messing with the gearing as it is still under warranty.
My 2018 with SR5 package and smaller factory tires gets...26.5 average on highway with cruise set at 68. That’s average mpg, not current fuel economy. I think the TRD size tires and lack of chin spoiler hurts mileage on TRD off road and pro.
Yeah, the mpg fluctuates like crazy depending on how you drive. City is typically from 15-18 for me, but highway is 19-25 depending on how I'm driving and if the roads are completely clear.
Great info! Sitting on 35’s still on the OEM 4.30 gears for my MT Taco. Definitely need that Nitro touch! Looking forward to the follow-up for the re-gearing on the Taco, curious on what the 4.88’s will do for that bone stock Taco.
I have a jeep wrangler Rubicon jk 4door with lift 40 tires Dana 60 axels floating axels front and rear lockers 513 gears and a hemi engine with the 8 speed automatic transmission I am getting 13 to 14 mpg.
I have a 2014 Tacoma with 6 speed manual and 4 liter motor. At 60mph I am turning right at 2k. It is lifted with 18” rims and 33” tires and I get 21 mpg on the highway with stock gears. Just as a comparison
I bought a brand new 2019 tacoma off-road from a Toyota dealership. They had the truck modded with a 3 inch lift and 285 tires to make it sell quicker. After driving it around for several hundred miles I could tell that the transmission was not right with all of the gear searching. I brought it back several times complaining that something was wrong but they insisted the truck was perfectly fine and the 3rd gen trucks just have that “shifty” characteristic. Now 2 years later I’m seeing these videos about the gearing being off from the factory. I feel like the dealership should pay for me to have my truck regeared to 4.88 since they sold it from the dealership with oversized tires, which are making an already known problem even worse. Thoughts?
not trying to be rude but youre the one who bought a car with bigger wheels and didnt ask if they re-geared for the said wheels and im assuming you test drove it before buying it? stock car the trans does gear hunt by default and when you keep adding weight the trans will work harder and will hunt for the right gear a little more. the trans isnt broken, its just working a little harder. if anything, its not your fault or the dealerships fault that youre not happy, it is toyota who put in terrible gearing. its unbelievable they put in such horrible gears knowing people will larger tires on it plus other accessories like bumpers. i consider this move by toyota using is called the "pass the cost down to the customer" technique.
@@skateinspace you’re right. I simply didn’t know any better at the time of purchase. Yes I did test drive the vehicle briefly, but I was so excited about getting a brand new truck I didn’t notice any real driving issues. It was only after a few months of driving that I settled into the truck really well and started feeling all of the shifty transmission issues. No one to blame but myself and the corporate shits at Toyota R&D who obviously didn’t test the truck enough or just didn’t care. Lesson learned on my part. I’ll never buy another tacoma again.
I just drove up to the Sierra Mountains with 3 guys and camping gear and averaged 23.4 going up and 27 going down. Not sure how any stock truck is only getting 14-15 MPG.
Something else I didn't hear you mention is that you are at altitude. That gearing might *barely* work at sea level, but at 4000-6000 ft you are missing the hp needed to make the gearing work.
We actually aren't at altitude, we are at 7-900 feet elevation. This truck is regularly driven at 4000 ft as well. While altitude and mountains / hills do increase a need for gearing, the video and data will be mostly flat highway and/or in town. Also we do spend a significant amount of time in all types of elevations and gearing is an improvement across the board. Every summer in Ouray/Silverton CO area all the non-regeared trucks are really struggling!
@@NitroGear I totally forgot that you are in California. Regearing makes sense with the Tacoma and I would definitely do it if I had one. It also gives a great excuse to put lockers in if you want to be able to take it into some extra fun off road situations. I will be seeing you at HIH9 again this year. I have your previous white 99 Land Cruiser. It has the 4.88s so I know what a difference gearing will make!
I just drove my 2020 Taco V6 4x4 on the highway up to 70mph and I was in 6th gear. I am not sure what he is talking about. I ride mostly highway to work I average 23.6mpg. I do admit it does hunt for gears, but for me it's mostly in stop and go traffic. (I have stock tires)
I have 265/70r17 tires with stock gear. Everyone cruises at 75mph here in Los Angeles so when its in 6th, the RPMs are around 1.7k so its able to stay in 6th. I get 19mpg but at stop and go traffic, i get 15.
Thank you so much for all the info you put out there on the chanel! I want to regear my Tacoma TRD 2016. But I don't have anyone in my area that can do the job professionally. My friend was telling me that I can purchase complete units ,Diffs, front and rear with the ratios I want . I could do the removal and installation , then I could send back my Diffs for credit? Any direction on this could greatly help, and again that you for your channel.
Also for folks who want to know how the math work and which gears to get take a look below: Desire tire size ( I have 35's) 35x stock gear ratio ( manual Taco 4.30) thus 35x4.30/stock tire size (29**) = optimal gear ratio for normal driving thus (again) 35x4.30/29= 5.19gear ratio needed. Not a number set in stone however more of a guide. Cheers
It's crazy because I just hit 3I on my 19 sport and I'm having trans hesitation issues and the dealership told me it's a common problem, might wanna look into gearing it. Well, if you know theres a problem, that the gears aren't matching the powertrain, then why not fix it?? If I keep this truck I definitely am going to look into gears to see if the notorious hesitation issue goes away.
One thing to consider is that outside temperature will greatly effect fuel economy. The colder and denser the the air coming into the engine is the more fuel the ECM is going add to compensate for best possible combustion.
i get better fuel milage with a full size truck with a v8 and on 34s lol. i get little over 16mpg with majority highway. thats during the work week though
My 2017 TRD Sport gets me 27-29 miles per gallon on freeway. Off course I chipped it and that’s why I’m getting a great gas mileage. And it gave me between 15-20 more power. These trucks have the power but they just program them wrong and that’s why it forgive you the full power. So You can get better gas mileage, trust me…
Don’t know if they’re still responding to comments but just recently put on some 285/70/17 wheels and tires and a 3” lift, don’t plan on putting bedracks or tents, none of that fancy stuff. Just planned on puttin new front and rear bumpers on the truck a little down the line. I drive an sr5 with the 2017 3.5 v6 4x4 and most of my driving is on the highway and i do tow a side by side, some farm equipment and my fishing boat, it is hunting gears in the highway even with out the trailer and I want to regear it to see the difference it would make. What would be the recommendation for my truck?
Good info. This re-gearing business is totally new to me, so I appreciate you sharing this info. I recently bought a '98 4Runner 4WD SR5. It's a 5-speed, and I feel like I'm having to go up to higher RPMs than normal (2.5-3.0, sometimes stressing it some). If I shift before that, I have very little power in the next gear. So could that be a re-gearing issue? The tires are a little bigger than stock (265/75/16), and I actually just picked up some heavier M/T's today (same size), so I'm wondering what my gearing will be like (shifting speeds, RPMs, etc.). How do I even know what my current gear ratios are? Ignorant to this but very interested in learning more and maybe doing something about it. Awesome Tacoma, BTW! And those are some great views you have out there!
I would like to see the truck Drivin on a course I’m about 100 miles in the stock form and compare the mileage difference after being re-geared on the same course.
Thx for the info and I must say how much I enjoy your tutorials! Must be your area grade or elevation...? I live in the Piedmont region of NC with an elevation of 750’ and just this week experienced 425 from 21 gallons. This also included 4x4 trail driving on some 15+degree forest trails. I have also witnessed that my sixth gear overdrive is sustainable.
Ordered the 4.56s a few weeks ago. But now Im curious about going 4.88. I'm not trying to run more than a 32 or a 33. If the 4.56 don't do it, I will be heading back to the drawing board. She just went in the shop yesterday.
Go with 4.88 you won't regret it. I went 4.56 out the shop turned around before i even got on the interstate and had then put the 4.88 in. Im running 33x12.50
@@Longster4U I will definitely update you, unfortunately the truck is in the shop right now. I'm not doing bumpers or a. Winch. I have a rooftop tent an a few other pieces of gear. I'm hoping by not having 2k pounds of extra weight the 4.56 will be enough to keep me happy.
@@NitroGear I sure will!! I wanted the 4.88 and one of the sales guys from toytec really advised against it, everything that I'm seeing in tacoma world and UA-cam sounds like people are more than happy with their 4.88s.
So keeping it factory height & tires, what is the different effects of 4.88 or 5.29? How much is top end effected? One post put 80 mph using 5.29. I don't know the specifics of their set-up.
I would suggest going 4.88 - and also adding the OV (Orange Virus) tune if the top speed is a concern. We have found that the 3rd gens have a "governor" of sorts that get tripped out by the gear change. The truck thinks it's going faster than it really is, and in turn your governor kicks in far earlier than it's supposed to. That's where the tuner comes in handy.
Yes, but 4Runners don't suffer quite to the same extent. We do recomment regearing though, especially the moment you run larger tires than it came with, stock.
I have a 2019 trd offroad 4x4 on 33s with a 3in lift, what gears do you recommend? I live in houston and was wondering if yall also had info on someone to install them.
I'm running 265/70-17 tires, 3 inch lift and a constant 550 Lbs. on the rear(auto trans). they don't offer a 4:11 gear (front and rear) for these trucks do they? How much increase could i see if i changed to a 4:88?
Nitro Gear Package for 16+ Toyota Tacoma is one of Nitro’s biggest sellers. Why? Because these trucks need regeared. The Tacoma has a very tall overdrive in 5th AND 6th gear to turn low RPMS. The new 3.5l V6 makes plenty of horsepower, but needs to rev. Even with stock tires we have found the 6th gear is nearly useless, the gearing is so high that the transmission is constantly shifting. In a STOCK Tacoma Automatic 6th gear puts you at ~1500 RPM @ 60MPH. This simply does not work. You may not realize it, but you probably are hardly ever in 6th gear unless you are almost going downhill. By regearing you can bring the motor back to the RPM it needs to be. This will improve Economy, Performance, and shifting. This is one of the most important modifications you can make to your late model Tacoma whether on a stock truck, or especially when running oversized tire. This is the only way to properly compensate for inadequate factory gearing and the increase in tire diameter. We often hear people are worried they will turn high rpm’s if they regear. This is simply not the case. Remember, the Auto trans has a double overdrive. See the below examples: Example Stock 2019 Tacoma TRD Offroad w/ Auto Trans: 3.91 & Stock Tire, ~1500 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~1750 RPM @ 70 MPH (NOT ENOUGH RPM!) 4.88 & Stock Tire, ~1950RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2200 RPM @ 70 MPH 33” 4.88, ~1750 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2000 RPM @ 70 MPH) 33” 5.29, ~1900 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2250 RPM @ 70 MPH) *Manual trans RPM figures will be higher. Auto: Stock-33” 4.88 Most Popular 33”+ 5.29 Most Popular (or AT w/o Locker) Manual: 32-34” 4.88 Most Popular 35”+ 5.29 Most Popular RPM Figures are similar for Overseas Hilux Revo. And yes, even if you have a diesel, you will still benefit from the gearing. 4.88 is ideal for 33-35” on Turbo Diesel models. We have actually toured 1000’s of miles of the Australia in a Diesel Hilux with 35” and 4.88, and it performed flawlessly.
4.88 or 5.29 gears seems a little excessive if you’re running a stock run and tire. Would a 4.10 or 4.56 make much of a difference if you’re running a 33” or 35”?
Alright, you are only talking lower geared with the higher ratio. I have a 18 6MT. I can get 22 and obviously it doesnt shift because i shift it. The manuals have a 4.10 gear ratio compared to the 3.93. I want to go to 3.93 to see if i can get better mileage. Would this be efficient?
No, keep your 4.10s - The 6 speed Manual is geared OK for most. The autos are what this issue really is focused on, however, if you went up going bigger on tire size, you should also swap in the 4.88s to keep stock performance & a happy trans.
I need to regear soon my 2019 4x4 Tacoma w/ auto trans. Have seen with interest the different posts you have uploaded on UA-cam From these posts you claim that a bone stock Tacoma should come with 4.88 gearing, ratio that compared to the manual transmission version is lower from 1st through 4th and higher in 5th & 6th. This said and your statement that stock Tacomas should come from factory with 4.88, which I agree, what gearing should I use with 33" tires. I am well aware that the general consensus is that 4.88's are for 33' tires and 5.29 with larger. My calculations say different. If 4.88 is the best match for stock, 5.29 gives w/33's is side by side almost the same ratio. Why is then said that 4.88 the reasonable gearing with 33's when this setup would be higher compared to stock and not 5.29 that comparably would be same as 4.88 with stock tires. I know this is a complicated topic to explain but at the end of the day numbers are numbers. Thanks
Im guessing the stock 3.90 gear ratio is the same on a 2018 SR5 with automatic? I'm on stock everything and get 19/20 mpg pretty consistently on highway. I definitely want to get bigger tires. Nothing crazy but am considering 4.88 gearing. Just curious how that will affect my mpgs.
Likely a good idea if it's an Auto, the manuals are geared a bit deeper than auto's which makes it more forgiving. The auto's are geared way too high from factory. Your truck (if auto) should do a 4.88 swap if you're feeling unhappy about the current throttle & trans performance.
City 18-20 mpg driving the speed limit and some hypermiling. Hwy 18 mpg driving the speed limit on cruise, disappointing. 2016 4x4 TRD OR 265/75r16 Load Range C
i have same set up and found that new headers work wonders if you dont want to spend 3 grand on gears. a lot less gear hunting after i put on the lce headers. of course gears would be nice but the price is steep
2014 stock TRD sport 4 wheel .... Same thing. I use 4 wheel drive the majority of the time and it sits in park idling a lot now also , so it’s really horrible gas mileage for me at the moment. My stealership didn’t do the maintenance that they were supposed to so I’m also way behind on all that , but even when it was fresh off the lot, still. Very poor fuel non economic truck and the better suspension isn’t even..... maybe the first few months but that’s it, and it was never exposed to rough anything that could have made it that way. Let alone it doesn’t fishtail like my charger ,.... it doesn’t even fishtail at all! ¿ truck. How is that a truck ? I guess it’s like a barkless chihuahua that doesn’t go to the bathroom in the house like the other 99.9% of them do . I think my first Toyota, Is my last Toyota And maybe someday it will just be someone else’s Yes. Toyota, You need to do something about the miss Calculation gear ratio transmission erratic shift roller coaster ADHD pro blame and fix it from scratch and you won’t on your heads and tails after it’s ironed out with a crease and only one hitch , that located behind the license plate - in the rear of corse , then it would be a lot more fine
Not buying it. I drove mostly city and some hwy miles about 40 miles a day for the first two months I had my 2018 Tacoma and I was not driving slow and I got 17-20mpg when I really smashed I’d see 16.5 mpg now with 33s I get 16-17.5mpg
Disagree with this video. Look at the "real-time" fuel economy guage not the avg. and it shows 25 mpg. Avg. fuel economy depends on a lot of factors: how many stop/starts, how hard of acceleration etc. As a Toyota Tundra owner, I can say raising gears on a stock truck will raise the cruise RPM and use more fuel, not less. Regearing for bigger tires yes, because you will loose those top gears, but not in stock and this video actually shows that contrary to what he is saying... And one more thing, the trans is not "hunting" for gears. It's designed to have a high overdrive for fuel economy on flat cruise with no wind to get the best possible fuel economy. Downshifting to fifth or fourth reduces fuel economy but that's what acceleration or hill climbing does. Lastly, try driving at 75 mph (interstate speeds) you will be higher in the torque band of the motor, and their will be less tendency to downshift than at 60 mph, but try driving at 75 with higher gears on stock. Tip: To squeeze out max fuel economy on these trucks, drive with your tow on the accelerator and drive it like a manual trans, meaning let up slightly on the gas and re-engage to get the computer to upshift. I can get 2-3 mpg more driving this way with cruising to stops (vs. braking hard). This will not be performance driving though.
You can get 0 or 100 mpg at instant gauge. What matters is real calculated economy. How far you go on your fuel. We are comparing Trip MPG, Tank MPG etc from prior to regear and there is a huge increase. Less RPM does not always mean less fuel. There is a tipping point where the power produced at too low of an RPM is not enough to propel the vehicle forward, and the trans downshifts. Once it down shifts it is turning higher RPM, and burning more fuel. The idea is to gear the diffs to put the RPM's As covered to great extent, 6th gear in the auto puts you Less than 1500 rpm at 60. With the 4.88 its around 1800. nothing crazy. Just enough that it doesnt shift all the time. In fact 5.29 would still be fine, but 4.88 better suited for daily drivers with stock tires. I agree with you that yes you do loose top gear with larger tires, but its beyond that. And maybe that was the part that through you off. What I'm showing is that the top (6th/.58:1) gear was already useless with the 3.90 stock gears. So long story short, stock tacoma needs regeared, and a tacoma with oversized tires needs regeared even lower.
@@NitroGear I agree regearing for larger tires is a good idea if not a necessity, but I am still not sure about the test you showed on video. If you can show a marked increase in fuel economy with a re-gear on stock set-up then I will agree. But the real time fuel economy shows you what you are using in that gear and as Tundra owner and I've driven the new Tacoma for several days rental, it works the same. It shows you what you are getting at that gear and in the video in 6th gear it was 25ish mpgs. The two wheel drive 4 dour economy is rated at 24 mpg hwy and 19 combined. You were getting 16 combined and thats realistic depending on the driving factors mentioned above which is not about gearing. Toyota is conservative in their estimate and with my lifted Tundra I can squeeze 16 combined but if i try to keep up with every car at the stoplight that drops quickly to 13, 12 or even 11 if there is wind and hills. So, I'm not arguing gears are a good idea because they are good, I just don't think your argument about stock is valid. "In our real-world fuel-economy test, the Tacoma matched its EPA highway estimate of 23 mpg. " www.caranddriver.com/toyota/tacoma
@@JimmyDevere not sure what to tell you. I literally drive this truck every day and drove it with stock gears over the course of the past 1500 miles got no better than 16.1 average per tank. Looking at the instant read out means nothing as it will vary from 0 to 100 depending on how much throttle you are giving it you have to look at average. I also am a "tundra guy" I've owned dozens of Toyota's myself re-geared thousands of them and spent countless hours looking at this real world data. This is a simple video showing you what we already know. It's 100% fact that this truck drove like crap before gearing it. My 11 year old son even noticed when I picked him up from school yesterday that the truck felt different. He doesn't even drive you notice the difference:)
@@Montoyota4 I can respect that. Whats your avg stock with new gears? Do you have any experience with the new Wrangler JLs yet, specifically the manuals? We are looking at getting a Rubicon and from what I hear the 6th gear is super tall and people are reporting that they never even use it. Not sure if they are driving Sports or if they have the 4.10 rears. Im thinking you could go a little lower in a re-gear than previous JK if you have a tall overdrive. But I guess it depends on the available torque and overall weight of the vehicle after mods.... Just thinking out loud.
This guy is idiotic. Lower RPM at highway speeds, especially if you do a lot of highway driving, will make your engine last much longer. Imagine putting 100,000 miles on your truck at 1500 RPM vs. 100,000 miles at 2500 RPM. This may be an isolated case for you, because you live in the mountains but for most people who live in relatively plain areas this gearing is ideal.
lugging your engine in 6th gear at 40 mph is also horrible for your engine, as well as your torque converter and driveline. my torque converter will lock in 6th at 45 mph and it starts retarding timing due to knocking and just falls flat on its face, then it shifts, shifts again, and again....almost like the truck doesn't have enough power for the gear it's in. whoever programmed these trucks needs to be fired.
Currently in my 2018 tacoma, I run it in sport mode only, I noticed in drive it would jump gears way to much and kill my gas mileage. I played with sport mode for a while and got about 3-4 mpg, not much but I do have less shifting unless I’m really gunning it, keeps it from jumping back and forth in the gears as it does in drive. I recommend if you do drive a Tacoma to utilize the sport function and have more control over your gears
Thank you for making this video I've owned by truck for a month now and have been ranting and raving and also calling Toyota asking why there are no gear packages available for this truck I'm sorely upset about the gearing on his truck and I completely agree with you on this thank you again for posting
my 2018 gets 19 to 22 mpg. stock new truck, but it did not get that until my dealer flashed the ecm with a new update they told me about. it no longer does this crazy hunting for gears and down shifting. it made the truck a WAY better and more fun to drive. yes some may need gears and i can see it would be a fix, but they fixed mine with a simple flash of the ecm.
We haven't seen much about this yet, is that something dealer warranty covers then? I'd venture to assume that while it likely helps having an updated tune, it can't replace the mechanical advantage for most truck owners. Speaking especially to the ones who modify them, but I am curious as to if your dealer covered this under warranty & if it would make things even better yet.
@@NitroGear No sir it cant replace gears for sure, and yes it was covered under warranty. I was very sick and sorry that i bought the truck (my first new vehicle) and when they did this, just as soon as i turned out on the street and took off!! i seen a huge difference. I now love the Tacoma and love driving it. Some people have told me there dealer has told them there truck was not eligible for this update because the vin number didn't qualify. No idea what thats all about, but they did mine for free.
@@NitroGear Is regearing as effective on a 2nd gen Tacoma as it seems to be on these 3rd gens?
@@chrisginoc yes it is still very effective, but you dont need as low of gears on the 2nd gen, since they dont have as tall of an overdrive
km4fsi so you go into the dealer and ask for what exactly?? I just bought my Tacoma about 1 month ago. Thanks
Alright, while I plan to make the 4.88 jump, the scenario is different for everyone. I have a ‘16 on a 2” lift with 285s in load c, lighter wheels... I drive in Colorado daily, mostly freeway (75+ for 62 miles total) with speedo corrected I’m good for 19.5mpg (17.5 with mid height RTT on bed), if I’m in stop and go it gets worse, if I’m holding at 60 it’ll do trip averages at 21. I know I don’t use 6th all that much, but it’s there when necessary.
My biggest thought is changing to 4.88s may alleviate some of the times it gets hung right between 2nd and 3rd (that is 3rd could then pull just a little lower vs. the jerky downshift to 2nd).
It’s ultimately anecdotal as it’s one persons experience. When I began my build though, I tried to keep rolling/unsprung mass as low as possible if not lighter than stock.
I have a 2018 TRD OFF ROAD, bone stock, long bed, 6 speed auto. I get 21mpg on trips. 16mpg if I'm pulling my trailer with two dirtbikes in it. I use the ECT mode when towing or climbing hills. It feels much better in the ECT mode. When not in ECT mode it always feels like it's in one gear too high. Idk about messing with the gearing as it is still under warranty.
Not mine. Manual 2020 with OVtune. Its a riot to enjoy the low end torque and power, didn't loose any MPG.
Wow. I average 21 mpg in my commute in my 2017 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road
LSanti in my or 19 I get 20-21 miles a gallon. And that’s half highway half local roads.
Me Too. I have a 2017 TRD Sport with a camper!
Do you all drive below the speed limit? There no way you get above 14-15 MPG
@@bangabruhh8291 Nope 73mph on cruise control. Ill hold 20-21 mpg's in my 2021 TRD Off-Road.
You just got another subscriber. Can't wait to bring you my 2020 tacoma
Looking forward to it!
My 2018 with SR5 package and smaller factory tires gets...26.5 average on highway with cruise set at 68. That’s average mpg, not current fuel economy. I think the TRD size tires and lack of chin spoiler hurts mileage on TRD off road and pro.
@Lou Medeiros I owned an SR5 and removed the chin spoiler the first day. No difference
Yeah, the mpg fluctuates like crazy depending on how you drive. City is typically from 15-18 for me, but highway is 19-25 depending on how I'm driving and if the roads are completely clear.
Great info! Sitting on 35’s still on the OEM 4.30 gears for my MT Taco. Definitely need that Nitro touch! Looking forward to the follow-up for the re-gearing on the Taco, curious on what the 4.88’s will do for that bone stock Taco.
You gonna go 4.88 or 5.29? I'm in the same boat as you with my 2017
I have a jeep wrangler Rubicon jk 4door with lift 40 tires Dana 60 axels floating axels front and rear lockers 513 gears and a hemi engine with the 8 speed automatic transmission I am getting 13 to 14 mpg.
I have a 2014 Tacoma with 6 speed manual and 4 liter motor. At 60mph I am turning right at 2k. It is lifted with 18” rims and 33” tires and I get 21 mpg on the highway with stock gears. Just as a comparison
SHOW THE AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY AFTER THE TRIP NOT THE CURRENT ONE WHILE U DRIVING
I get 20mpg in my 18 Tacoma 4x4 stock on the regular. I average 25 mpg on long highway trips also.
Same
Had Toyota reflash the trans big difference,I get 22.8 in Va. at sea level interstate and some city
Same. Firmware update to my trans fixed all my issues. Used techstream
I bought a brand new 2019 tacoma off-road from a Toyota dealership. They had the truck modded with a 3 inch lift and 285 tires to make it sell quicker. After driving it around for several hundred miles I could tell that the transmission was not right with all of the gear searching. I brought it back several times complaining that something was wrong but they insisted the truck was perfectly fine and the 3rd gen trucks just have that “shifty” characteristic. Now 2 years later I’m seeing these videos about the gearing being off from the factory. I feel like the dealership should pay for me to have my truck regeared to 4.88 since they sold it from the dealership with oversized tires, which are making an already known problem even worse. Thoughts?
not trying to be rude but youre the one who bought a car with bigger wheels and didnt ask if they re-geared for the said wheels and im assuming you test drove it before buying it? stock car the trans does gear hunt by default and when you keep adding weight the trans will work harder and will hunt for the right gear a little more. the trans isnt broken, its just working a little harder. if anything, its not your fault or the dealerships fault that youre not happy, it is toyota who put in terrible gearing. its unbelievable they put in such horrible gears knowing people will larger tires on it plus other accessories like bumpers. i consider this move by toyota using is called the "pass the cost down to the customer" technique.
@@skateinspace you’re right. I simply didn’t know any better at the time of purchase. Yes I did test drive the vehicle briefly, but I was so excited about getting a brand new truck I didn’t notice any real driving issues. It was only after a few months of driving that I settled into the truck really well and started feeling all of the shifty transmission issues. No one to blame but myself and the corporate shits at Toyota R&D who obviously didn’t test the truck enough or just didn’t care. Lesson learned on my part. I’ll never buy another tacoma again.
I just drove up to the Sierra Mountains with 3 guys and camping gear and averaged 23.4 going up and 27 going down. Not sure how any stock truck is only getting 14-15 MPG.
Dude is probably at high altitude, stomping on the gas in the thin air.
After I got around 18K miles mine started to improve. Now I get about 21 to 23 in mixed driving but I don't have mountains.
same just happening to my 2020 tacoma sr5. never had more than 2k rpm no matter what i accelerate.
Time to regear!
Something else I didn't hear you mention is that you are at altitude. That gearing might *barely* work at sea level, but at 4000-6000 ft you are missing the hp needed to make the gearing work.
We actually aren't at altitude, we are at 7-900 feet elevation. This truck is regularly driven at 4000 ft as well. While altitude and mountains / hills do increase a need for gearing, the video and data will be mostly flat highway and/or in town. Also we do spend a significant amount of time in all types of elevations and gearing is an improvement across the board. Every summer in Ouray/Silverton CO area all the non-regeared trucks are really struggling!
@@NitroGear I totally forgot that you are in California. Regearing makes sense with the Tacoma and I would definitely do it if I had one. It also gives a great excuse to put lockers in if you want to be able to take it into some extra fun off road situations.
I will be seeing you at HIH9 again this year. I have your previous white 99 Land Cruiser. It has the 4.88s so I know what a difference gearing will make!
@@ryank5373 We go to CA for some events during the year, but our HQ is in WA State. We get a little bit of every terrain here
My Toyota SR5 4x4 v6 gets 19mpg off freeway and 21mpg on the freeway and mine is all stock from the dealer.
Randy R and everyone behind you is bitching because you drive like a grandma.
I just drove my 2020 Taco V6 4x4 on the highway up to 70mph and I was in 6th gear. I am not sure what he is talking about. I ride mostly highway to work I average 23.6mpg. I do admit it does hunt for gears, but for me it's mostly in stop and go traffic. (I have stock tires)
I have 265/70r17 tires with stock gear. Everyone cruises at 75mph here in Los Angeles so when its in 6th, the RPMs are around 1.7k so its able to stay in 6th. I get 19mpg but at stop and go traffic, i get 15.
I can imagine its terrible in the mountains. Mine sucks to drive and I’m in the Midwest. I’m actually thinking about getting rid of it.
We hated it in stock form. The gearing is what makes or breaks it.
Great Video Carl .. ! you gotta do the same for the 4Runner crowd ..
#all4runnersneedgears
Would love to see a video about 1st generation Tacoma's
Thank you so much for all the info you put out there on the chanel! I want to regear my Tacoma TRD 2016. But I don't have anyone in my area that can do the job professionally. My friend was telling me that I can purchase complete units ,Diffs, front and rear with the ratios I want . I could do the removal and installation , then I could send back my Diffs for credit? Any direction on this could greatly help, and again that you for your channel.
Also for folks who want to know how the math work and which gears to get take a look below:
Desire tire size ( I have 35's) 35x stock gear ratio ( manual Taco 4.30) thus 35x4.30/stock tire size (29**) = optimal gear ratio for normal driving
thus (again) 35x4.30/29= 5.19gear ratio needed.
Not a number set in stone however more of a guide. Cheers
It's crazy because I just hit 3I on my 19 sport and I'm having trans hesitation issues and the dealership told me it's a common problem, might wanna look into gearing it. Well, if you know theres a problem, that the gears aren't matching the powertrain, then why not fix it?? If I keep this truck I definitely am going to look into gears to see if the notorious hesitation issue goes away.
One thing to consider is that outside temperature will greatly effect fuel economy. The colder and denser the the air coming into the engine is the more fuel the ECM is going add to compensate for best possible combustion.
Do you have the same thoughts for the 2nd gen (2015 specifically)? Would you recommend a regear on a stock 2nd gen?
What do you recommend for the 6 speed manual?
i get better fuel milage with a full size truck with a v8 and on 34s lol. i get little over 16mpg with majority highway. thats during the work week though
I get almost 21 mpg...
Same here
Same
My 2017 TRD Sport gets me 27-29 miles per gallon on freeway. Off course I chipped it and that’s why I’m getting a great gas mileage. And it gave me between 15-20 more power. These trucks have the power but they just program them wrong and that’s why it forgive you the full power. So You can get better gas mileage, trust me…
Don’t know if they’re still responding to comments but just recently put on some 285/70/17 wheels and tires and a 3” lift, don’t plan on putting bedracks or tents, none of that fancy stuff. Just planned on puttin new front and rear bumpers on the truck a little down the line. I drive an sr5 with the 2017 3.5 v6 4x4 and most of my driving is on the highway and i do tow a side by side, some farm equipment and my fishing boat, it is hunting gears in the highway even with out the trailer and I want to regear it to see the difference it would make. What would be the recommendation for my truck?
If it's an auto I'd run the 4.88!!
Good info. This re-gearing business is totally new to me, so I appreciate you sharing this info. I recently bought a '98 4Runner 4WD SR5. It's a 5-speed, and I feel like I'm having to go up to higher RPMs than normal (2.5-3.0, sometimes stressing it some). If I shift before that, I have very little power in the next gear. So could that be a re-gearing issue? The tires are a little bigger than stock (265/75/16), and I actually just picked up some heavier M/T's today (same size), so I'm wondering what my gearing will be like (shifting speeds, RPMs, etc.). How do I even know what my current gear ratios are? Ignorant to this but very interested in learning more and maybe doing something about it. Awesome Tacoma, BTW! And those are some great views you have out there!
I dropped like 3mpg with a prinsu roof rack
Drag
I would like to see the truck Drivin on a course I’m about 100 miles in the stock form and compare the mileage difference after being re-geared on the same course.
Thx for the info and I must say how much I enjoy your tutorials! Must be your area grade or elevation...? I live in the Piedmont region of NC with an elevation of 750’ and just this week experienced 425 from 21 gallons. This also included 4x4 trail driving on some 15+degree forest trails. I have also witnessed that my sixth gear overdrive is sustainable.
I've gotten 24.2mpg in my manual 2019 sport.. regularly at 21.x mpg
Ordered the 4.56s a few weeks ago. But now Im curious about going 4.88. I'm not trying to run more than a 32 or a 33. If the 4.56 don't do it, I will be heading back to the drawing board. She just went in the shop yesterday.
Go with 4.88 you won't regret it. I went 4.56 out the shop turned around before i even got on the interstate and had then put the 4.88 in. Im running 33x12.50
@@Longster4U I will definitely update you, unfortunately the truck is in the shop right now. I'm not doing bumpers or a. Winch. I have a rooftop tent an a few other pieces of gear. I'm hoping by not having 2k pounds of extra weight the 4.56 will be enough to keep me happy.
Let us know what you find! Is yours a 2016+ as well I assume?
@@NitroGear I sure will!! I wanted the 4.88 and one of the sales guys from toytec really advised against it, everything that I'm seeing in tacoma world and UA-cam sounds like people are more than happy with their 4.88s.
@@anthonysanchez9746 vs what?
Show us a drive in the stock truck with 4.88s so we can see how it drives.
needs to be a lawsuit i too o nly get about 14.5 mpg said 18 to 20 in city thats false
So keeping it factory height & tires, what is the different effects of 4.88 or 5.29? How much is top end effected? One post put 80 mph using 5.29. I don't know the specifics of their set-up.
I would suggest going 4.88 - and also adding the OV (Orange Virus) tune if the top speed is a concern. We have found that the 3rd gens have a "governor" of sorts that get tripped out by the gear change. The truck thinks it's going faster than it really is, and in turn your governor kicks in far earlier than it's supposed to. That's where the tuner comes in handy.
Is the gearing the same for the 4runner? I'm looking at getting a 2019 and it seems to have the same problem with the 5 speed auto. 4.88 or??
Yes, but 4Runners don't suffer quite to the same extent. We do recomment regearing though, especially the moment you run larger tires than it came with, stock.
What gear ratio do you think? 4.56, 4.88?? More then likely going to 33" tires.
I'd go 4.88. www.justdifferentials.com/Toyota-Gear-Package-p/gpfjcruiser-select-4.htm
I have a 2019 trd offroad 4x4 on 33s with a 3in lift, what gears do you recommend? I live in houston and was wondering if yall also had info on someone to install them.
Robert Smith you ever figure out where to go and what gear? Im in Houston and got the same tires and lift.
4.88's. There's a place called Lonestar axle in Katy, TX we recommend
So basically regearing puts the engine at the right torque range where it needs to be at?
I bought a 2014 Tacoma Trd that was garage kept with 30000 miles on it to avoid the gearing and engine. Toyota f'd up the newer ones.
Truth
I'm running 265/70-17 tires, 3 inch lift and a constant 550 Lbs. on the rear(auto trans). they don't offer a 4:11 gear (front and rear) for these trucks do they? How much increase could i see if i changed to a 4:88?
No there isnt a 4.10 but there is a 4.30 (OE) option
How are you getting such terrible gas milage? I get 18-20 bone stock...
Hes in the mountains so that's a no brainer. Everyone's vehicle there is getting worse than expected mpg.
Nitro Gear Package for 16+ Toyota Tacoma is one of Nitro’s biggest sellers. Why? Because these trucks need regeared. The Tacoma has a very tall overdrive in 5th AND 6th gear to turn low RPMS. The new 3.5l V6 makes plenty of horsepower, but needs to rev. Even with stock tires we have found the 6th gear is nearly useless, the gearing is so high that the transmission is constantly shifting. In a STOCK Tacoma Automatic 6th gear puts you at ~1500 RPM @ 60MPH. This simply does not work. You may not realize it, but you probably are hardly ever in 6th gear unless you are almost going downhill. By regearing you can bring the motor back to the RPM it needs to be. This will improve Economy, Performance, and shifting. This is one of the most important modifications you can make to your late model Tacoma whether on a stock truck, or especially when running oversized tire. This is the only way to properly compensate for inadequate factory gearing and the increase in tire diameter. We often hear people are worried they will turn high rpm’s if they regear. This is simply not the case. Remember, the Auto trans has a double overdrive. See the below examples:
Example
Stock 2019 Tacoma TRD Offroad w/ Auto Trans:
3.91 & Stock Tire, ~1500 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~1750 RPM @ 70 MPH (NOT ENOUGH RPM!)
4.88 & Stock Tire, ~1950RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2200 RPM @ 70 MPH
33” 4.88, ~1750 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2000 RPM @ 70 MPH)
33” 5.29, ~1900 RPM @ 60 MPH, ~2250 RPM @ 70 MPH)
*Manual trans RPM figures will be higher.
Auto:
Stock-33” 4.88 Most Popular
33”+ 5.29 Most Popular (or AT w/o Locker)
Manual:
32-34” 4.88 Most Popular
35”+ 5.29 Most Popular
RPM Figures are similar for Overseas Hilux Revo. And yes, even if you have a diesel, you will still benefit from the gearing. 4.88 is ideal for 33-35” on Turbo Diesel models. We have actually toured 1000’s of miles of the Australia in a Diesel Hilux with 35” and 4.88, and it performed flawlessly.
Getting mine done soon!
I want this, but don't know of anyone in my area that could competently install them. HELP. Central PA in my location. I NEED 5.29's
I'll ask the sales team who we like in PA
4:88 or 5:29 with 285’s what’s better?
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5.29s would be best for you
www.nitro-gear.com/searchresults.asp?Search=gptaco2016&Submit=
4.88 or 5.29 gears seems a little excessive if you’re running a stock run and tire. Would a 4.10 or 4.56 make much of a difference if you’re running a 33” or 35”?
Alright, you are only talking lower geared with the higher ratio. I have a 18 6MT. I can get 22 and obviously it doesnt shift because i shift it. The manuals have a 4.10 gear ratio compared to the 3.93. I want to go to 3.93 to see if i can get better mileage. Would this be efficient?
No, keep your 4.10s - The 6 speed Manual is geared OK for most. The autos are what this issue really is focused on, however, if you went up going bigger on tire size, you should also swap in the 4.88s to keep stock performance & a happy trans.
Ecu needs to be recalibrated like in jeeps or only regearing and thats it?
What about the gears ⚙️ on a 2017 base Tacoma with the 2.7 liter 4 cylinder???
What about speedometer correction? Anything that needs to be done? Also, what RPM at 80 mph with these 5.29's?
How much for my 2018 Tacoma to get redone with the 5 29 gears
email info@nitro-gear.com with your vehicle info and where you are located.
Can I get my Taco regear to 5.29 while still on stock tires?
@@TuaLee29 you can. If it's an automatic then you will actually still be turning less rpms than a stock manual truck
I need to regear soon my 2019 4x4 Tacoma w/ auto trans. Have seen with interest the different posts you have uploaded on UA-cam
From these posts you claim that a bone stock Tacoma should come with 4.88 gearing, ratio that compared to the manual transmission version is lower from 1st through 4th and higher in 5th & 6th. This said and your statement that stock Tacomas should come from factory with 4.88, which I agree, what gearing should I use with 33" tires. I am well aware that the general consensus is that 4.88's are for 33' tires and 5.29 with larger. My calculations say different. If 4.88 is the best match for stock, 5.29 gives w/33's is side by side almost the same ratio. Why is then said that 4.88 the reasonable gearing with 33's when this setup would be higher compared to stock and not 5.29 that comparably would be same as 4.88 with stock tires.
I know this is a complicated topic to explain but at the end of the day numbers are numbers.
Thanks
What's the avg fuel economy after rehearing on stock tires?
Just got a new trd off road, and trying to regear! Can I install the 5.29’s on my bone stock tacoma with the intention of lifting it later on?
Yes absolutely.
Just got to remeber dont hit the gas too hard the first couple times you drive it.
Got 33” tires, sliders, full size spare, rack on bed plus about 100lbs in bed. What gears should I get?
trying to find a reputable shop for install. located in colorado springs. any suggestions?
What would you reccomend for a 6speed manual 2017 tacoma TRD off road on 34-35s?
4.88
They did it on dyno, no wind resistant
I get 18-20 mpg on my taco and I live in Los Angeles lol
Gwilosteez same here 2017 4x4 only time ive gotten 14 mpg is when i was towing a trailer with a side by side on it. He must have a heavy foot
I have a 2017 off road, is this an option for a manual?
Absolutely
Yes of course. www.nitro-gear.com/Toyota-Tacoma-Nitro-Gear-Package-p/gptaco2016-8.75-select.htm
@@NitroGear what better 5.29 or 4.88 on 275 70 r18? On my 18 taco
Have you also or will you also be adding extra weight? Such as front/rear bumpers, racking, winch, etc?
Just want more power, quick acceleration and normal shifting back. I will probably just add Rock sliders. Also want to use it to tow.
Im guessing the stock 3.90 gear ratio is the same on a 2018 SR5 with automatic? I'm on stock everything and get 19/20 mpg pretty consistently on highway. I definitely want to get bigger tires. Nothing crazy but am considering 4.88 gearing. Just curious how that will affect my mpgs.
What would a full install of 4.88's cost for a 2020 tacoma?
Anyone know how much it costs to re-gear? Plus the price of the gears themselves?
I have a 2018 taco access cab with 2.7 liter engine do I need a regear?
Just recently purchased a 2017 sr5 4x2, should I regear, I don’t plan to do any mods on the truck.
Likely a good idea if it's an Auto, the manuals are geared a bit deeper than auto's which makes it more forgiving. The auto's are geared way too high from factory. Your truck (if auto) should do a 4.88 swap if you're feeling unhappy about the current throttle & trans performance.
You will speed up faster but higher rpms on the highway I'd say go for it, deeper gears are fun if you like accelerating power
City 18-20 mpg driving the speed limit and some hypermiling.
Hwy 18 mpg driving the speed limit on cruise, disappointing.
2016 4x4 TRD OR
265/75r16 Load Range C
Can you recommend a shop in Southern California that can regear?
CYCO CHRIS did you do a regear yet? I’m in SoCal also and will need to do one by the summer. Adding a lot of weight with mods by then.
I have a 2020 Tacoma 4cyl 4x4 with 32” tires, needs help, shifting like crazy, should I go 4.88 or 5.29????
If you stick on 32" tires go with 4.88
i have same set up and found that new headers work wonders if you dont want to spend 3 grand on gears. a lot less gear hunting after i put on the lce headers. of course gears would be nice but the price is steep
How many miles do you have on it?
Mpg ? After regearing ?
I get 20-24 my in my 16’ auto sr5 Tacoma
i have a 91 fj80 with 37” tires, what gear should i get? 4.88 or 5.29
5.29
Show a video of those truck stock with 4.88 gears. I’m curious if increases, also will it work with the factory lockers?
Take a look at the product link: www.nitro-gear.com/Toyota-Tacoma-Nitro-Gear-Package-p/gptaco2016-8.75-select.htm
Nitro Gear price parts and labor ?
My Taco 2018 has 275 70 r18s should i go with the 5.29 gear? Or 4.88. I do alot of road driving and free way. But also go off road on weekends
Hey James! We would recommend 4.88s
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2014 stock TRD sport 4 wheel ....
Same thing. I use 4 wheel drive the majority of the time and it sits in park idling a lot now also , so it’s really horrible gas mileage for me at the moment. My stealership didn’t do the maintenance that they were supposed to so I’m also way behind on all that , but even when it was fresh off the lot, still. Very poor fuel non economic truck and the better suspension isn’t even..... maybe the first few months but that’s it, and it was never exposed to rough anything that could have made it that way. Let alone it doesn’t fishtail like my charger ,.... it doesn’t even fishtail at all! ¿ truck. How is that a truck ? I guess it’s like a barkless chihuahua that doesn’t go to the bathroom in the house like the other 99.9% of them do .
I think my first Toyota,
Is my last Toyota
And maybe someday it will just be someone else’s
Yes. Toyota, You need to do something about the miss Calculation gear ratio transmission erratic shift roller coaster ADHD pro blame and fix it from scratch and you won’t on your heads and tails after it’s ironed out with a crease and only one hitch , that located behind the license plate - in the rear of corse , then it would be a lot more fine
If the solution is so easy then why is Toyota making them this way in the first place?
but does this void the warranty? 🙇♂️
Not buying it. I drove mostly city and some hwy miles about 40 miles a day for the first two months I had my 2018 Tacoma and I was not driving slow and I got 17-20mpg when I really smashed I’d see 16.5 mpg now with 33s I get 16-17.5mpg
Somebody uses artlist 😂
All the time!
We did gears! Want to see initial driving impressions?
ua-cam.com/video/XxBWZGQIScI/v-deo.html
Disagree with this video. Look at the "real-time" fuel economy guage not the avg. and it shows 25 mpg. Avg. fuel economy depends on a lot of factors: how many stop/starts, how hard of acceleration etc. As a Toyota Tundra owner, I can say raising gears on a stock truck will raise the cruise RPM and use more fuel, not less. Regearing for bigger tires yes, because you will loose those top gears, but not in stock and this video actually shows that contrary to what he is saying... And one more thing, the trans is not "hunting" for gears. It's designed to have a high overdrive for fuel economy on flat cruise with no wind to get the best possible fuel economy. Downshifting to fifth or fourth reduces fuel economy but that's what acceleration or hill climbing does. Lastly, try driving at 75 mph (interstate speeds) you will be higher in the torque band of the motor, and their will be less tendency to downshift than at 60 mph, but try driving at 75 with higher gears on stock. Tip: To squeeze out max fuel economy on these trucks, drive with your tow on the accelerator and drive it like a manual trans, meaning let up slightly on the gas and re-engage to get the computer to upshift. I can get 2-3 mpg more driving this way with cruising to stops (vs. braking hard). This will not be performance driving though.
You can get 0 or 100 mpg at instant gauge. What matters is real calculated economy. How far you go on your fuel. We are comparing Trip MPG, Tank MPG etc from prior to regear and there is a huge increase. Less RPM does not always mean less fuel. There is a tipping point where the power produced at too low of an RPM is not enough to propel the vehicle forward, and the trans downshifts. Once it down shifts it is turning higher RPM, and burning more fuel. The idea is to gear the diffs to put the RPM's As covered to great extent, 6th gear in the auto puts you Less than 1500 rpm at 60. With the 4.88 its around 1800. nothing crazy. Just enough that it doesnt shift all the time. In fact 5.29 would still be fine, but 4.88 better suited for daily drivers with stock tires. I agree with you that yes you do loose top gear with larger tires, but its beyond that. And maybe that was the part that through you off. What I'm showing is that the top (6th/.58:1) gear was already useless with the 3.90 stock gears. So long story short, stock tacoma needs regeared, and a tacoma with oversized tires needs regeared even lower.
@@NitroGear I agree regearing for larger tires is a good idea if not a necessity, but I am still not sure about the test you showed on video. If you can show a marked increase in fuel economy with a re-gear on stock set-up then I will agree. But the real time fuel economy shows you what you are using in that gear and as Tundra owner and I've driven the new Tacoma for several days rental, it works the same. It shows you what you are getting at that gear and in the video in 6th gear it was 25ish mpgs. The two wheel drive 4 dour economy is rated at 24 mpg hwy and 19 combined. You were getting 16 combined and thats realistic depending on the driving factors mentioned above which is not about gearing. Toyota is conservative in their estimate and with my lifted Tundra I can squeeze 16 combined but if i try to keep up with every car at the stoplight that drops quickly to 13, 12 or even 11 if there is wind and hills. So, I'm not arguing gears are a good idea because they are good, I just don't think your argument about stock is valid.
"In our real-world fuel-economy test, the Tacoma matched its EPA highway estimate of 23 mpg. " www.caranddriver.com/toyota/tacoma
@@JimmyDevere not sure what to tell you. I literally drive this truck every day and drove it with stock gears over the course of the past 1500 miles got no better than 16.1 average per tank. Looking at the instant read out means nothing as it will vary from 0 to 100 depending on how much throttle you are giving it you have to look at average. I also am a "tundra guy" I've owned dozens of Toyota's myself re-geared thousands of them and spent countless hours looking at this real world data. This is a simple video showing you what we already know. It's 100% fact that this truck drove like crap before gearing it. My 11 year old son even noticed when I picked him up from school yesterday that the truck felt different. He doesn't even drive you notice the difference:)
ua-cam.com/video/XxBWZGQIScI/v-deo.html
@@Montoyota4 I can respect that. Whats your avg stock with new gears? Do you have any experience with the new Wrangler JLs yet, specifically the manuals? We are looking at getting a Rubicon and from what I hear the 6th gear is super tall and people are reporting that they never even use it. Not sure if they are driving Sports or if they have the 4.10 rears. Im thinking you could go a little lower in a re-gear than previous JK if you have a tall overdrive. But I guess it depends on the available torque and overall weight of the vehicle after mods.... Just thinking out loud.
This guy is idiotic.
Lower RPM at highway speeds, especially if you do a lot of highway driving, will make your engine last much longer.
Imagine putting 100,000 miles on your truck at 1500 RPM vs. 100,000 miles at 2500 RPM.
This may be an isolated case for you, because you live in the mountains but for most people who live in relatively plain areas this gearing is ideal.
i live in the plains i have 33s on my truck and i want to trade the thing in cause it shifts way to much
lugging your engine in 6th gear at 40 mph is also horrible for your engine, as well as your torque converter and driveline. my torque converter will lock in 6th at 45 mph and it starts retarding timing due to knocking and just falls flat on its face, then it shifts, shifts again, and again....almost like the truck doesn't have enough power for the gear it's in. whoever programmed these trucks needs to be fired.
What's the gear ratio for the 2nd generation?¿...I have a 2009 TRD offroad