Are BWF umpires UNPROFESSIONAL and SUCKS?
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Which one u think is the most ridiculous one?
No. 5. the umpire is very arrogant, totally ignore player's explanation.
Chow Tien Chien vs Anders.
No.5 Chou Tien Chen, most likely the umpire do not have eyes haha
2019 indoesnia ctc vs anterson
all of them
I feel like the problem is, that the umpires are too scared to admit that they made a mistake. It's like when you're being sued and your lawyer tells you not to admit to any crimes lol but also, bwf should allow for instant video review for the umpire with referees like in soccer, everyone makes mistakes, we're human.
In the BWF handbook for umpires, it is stated that once a call has been made, the umpire HAS to stand by their decision. Admitting a mistake after a call has been made is not a good look for BWF / the umpire so this is why we never see umpires do this. I agree with what you said, the solution to this is to enforce slow-mo video reviews with the referee and for the overturn of an umpire's decision to be allowed whenever a wrong call is made.
@@ivankjt yea it's not the umpires, some rules needs to be updated and/or amended. I remember seeing umpire giving a yellow card to a player after they just finished a super long rally and both players were still very much out of breath. Last few weeks I was at a tournament, for one match the receiver had his hand up so the server waited, and the umpire faulted the server for delaying to serve, everyone was face palming so hard lol. There needs to be some flexibilities built-in to the rules
no its just a egotistic power struggle :0
"It's hard for me to say i'm sorry" ...CHICAGO
not “scared”. its the EGO! 🤬 dont want to admit and thinking they always right
in all seriousness, BWF should be ashamed of themselves, so many controversial judgement by the umpire. There's also a possiblity of match fixing as well.
And people say FIFA is corrupt
@@kraevous3366 that doesn't make fifa not corrupt too bruh
@@kucinghitam4322 I'm aware it's corrupt but people use fifas corruption to overshadow other organisers eg BWF
I got tears when axelson gave that point back to chou tien great sportmanship.👏
I've seen it pointed out before, but to make it truly fair, Axelson needed to give him 2 points. With the wrong call Axelson gained a point on Chou, so he needed to give 2 points to return the score to what it was
@@rworsl bro he did good u probably wouldnt do that clown
@@rworsl nah because if they had played the second point axelson would have won it :)
@@joeljude1048 he basically won 1 round to get +0 point difference, wasted effort,... so nahhh even if axelson would won second point that wouldn't justify it
@@gameothers2022 Well if Axelson was for sure going to win the second point then yes it would justify it, because after winning a point and losing a point you get +0 point difference. I was just making a joke because it's obviously not guaranteed for Axelson to win the second point
BWF should review the instant replays if players really feel strongly about the wrong calls. some of these umpires are just really power-playing because they find it hard to admit they gave a wrong call, i find it so stupid.
the last one is why i love viktor
YESSSSSSS
he should've given the point twice, correct?
Yess you're right
Sportmanship? Nah dude got booing after he did nothing for his foul play. He could talk to the empire at the 1st place but chose not.
*we
There are lots of types of the error made by the umpires in fact, and most of them are caused by the 'eye-judge': they won't use the replay of the point to help, or won't even use any high tech like radar in the case of 'service too high'. I hope this series will be continued which includes most of the ridiculuous judges by the umpires or the line judge!
The reason those kinds of things aren't used (which is a bit weird but I kinda understand) is that because badminton is such a worldwide sport, expecting every court to have loads of advanced gimmicks is just not logistically possible and so the rulebook is adapted to that.
@@Schmats1 at least use those technologies in higher level tournaments, like Hawkeye. And the judges could just watch the replay, but they just do not want to admit their mistakes
@@adrianwong69 It's a wonder that hawkeye was even implemented. But I do agree that we should have more tools to use. Though these kinds of mistakes you see in this video happens so irregularly that it's not worth it for the cost. These mistakes happen one time per 500 matches played. So justifying a change in the rulebook would take a lot more.
Even with Hawkeye ,it actually can be rigged ....Hawkeye as itself a flaw system where the camera only predicting the line of the shuttle....If you place the camera at wrong angle it will predict wrong, and other interference like air or wind can disturb the prediction of Hawkeye...
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Badminton needs to have a VAR system like soccer where they can review the incident again. This is still such a 1950s system of refereeing the games
bwf still has a lot to improve
Agreed, the "Umpires initial choice can't be overturned" rule is ridiculous and so many of these instances could have been corrected with a video review
The hawk eye is already implemented. Sometimes referee is being very unfair to certain countries.
@@louong93 Hawkeye is really good, but I'm talking about things like net kills or double hit faults or where the shuttle may have hit a player's shirt/body. Hawkeye can't be used here and the umpire has to decide immediately, and the decision can't be changed. If the decision could be overruled with a video replay in these scenarios it would prevent a lot of problems such as false faults.
Yeah, lets just pretend that VAR solved anything and football is now 100% free of referee mistakes.
Chou has been at the losing end of some terrible calls but always deals with them like a champ. 👍
i find that he seems to be one of the most unlucky badminton player but he is still top 5. Unbelievable!
No. 2 was Lin Dan challenging himself. He knew the shuttle landed in and he knew he'd win the match easily so he did the right thing and challenged a wrong call (even though its against himself).
He is the true warrior, not like viktor and umpires, cheap points and hardly to admit he did touched the net.. What a shame. This is clearly not an eye-judge problem. Too fishy
@@monstardevodka9566 Viktor gave up a point when he knew he committed a fault lol..
@@monstardevodka9566 Even if Viktor tells the umpire he faulted, they won't believe it. They make up their own mind and never listen to either of the players.
No. Lin Dan just confused😂
@@valtterinieminen9094 We'll have to agree to disagree 😂 I always thought it was intentional. If he was confused then he's confused me too lol
BWF is managing this awesome sport so poorly. Shitty umpires are just one part of it.
The call against Chou felt the absolute worst. How on earth does this woman become an umpire?
Most people have no integrity that's all.
Exactly that old woman should get her eyes checked
She is from China and Chou is from Taiwan. What do you expect?
@@baddyforall2568 you are that guy in the badminton forum?I am Ong Hui Gen
@@ohgin12345 yep
No.6 is a fault and the umpire is right... axelsen touched the bottom of the net (4:13) before the shuttle landed on the floor
Yes.
Thanks!
This channel deserve 1 boo too for not seeing that
If im not wrong for number 6 axelsen racquet did also passed the net.
There needs to be a system similar to challenges where the players are allowed to call the tournament ref and have them overturn a decision if they disagree with the umpires decision
So ridiculous! The umpires feel like their decisions are always correct when in fact they are also humans and can make mistakes. BWF should do a better job and supervise these umpires, lines and service judges.
That one match with China pairs handled by a Chinese umpire in the China Open was amazingly bizarre. BWF need to stop taking weeds and the umpire also doesn't always have to be so self-righteous about every decision.
What were the japanese pair challenging for, im new to badminton
There needs to be a system where sportsmanship is rewarded and being able to challenge oneself receives points of some kind like in Indian Cricket. When you take the ability of judges to mess up out of it, then there's no need to have horrible experiences because you know that it's all about you and the persons in front of you. When you leave it up to someone else, they're bound to make bad and, in some cases, corrupt calls for the benefit of themselves over the players.
I feel bad for Ginting that one is so heartbreaking 💔
Lee C.Y got Karma. lol
@@bahasadunia2262 not his fault it's umpires fault
@@bahasadunia2262 yes ITS true
But for me, it appears that ginting's racket didn't touch the net, but it has crossed the net, so maybe the umpire have decided it like that
9:50 A little misunderstanding here. An umpire could never CANCEL any challenge request made from players that's right after the shuttle is not in play. Actually, this is not even allowed under the Laws of Badminton.
VITTINGHUS ONE! OMG, He actually knows he faulted and yet he took revenge for Ginting.... that was Savage
Nah bro thats not necessery and childish to talk like that
Relatively new to badminton as a sport and I have to say that even without this video, I’ve noticed how ridiculous the judges are. They treat the athletes like children rather than professionals. I am not sure if they are instructed to do so by the bwf or they have their own set of guidelines, but it’s amateurish compared to other sports. I hope they replace all the judges with computers.
What other sport has better way to eliminate judge/referee mistakes? Mind sharing with us?
@@t0miik Cricket if your familiar with it has amazing ways to review umpire decisions and always makes the game feel balanced other sports can learn a thing or two copying it
In the 6th clip Axelsen really touched the net with his shoulder at the bottom before the rally was over, it is totally visible. At that point it was pretty much sure he would win the point but the shuttle didn't touch the ground yet so it was a fault indeed.
Fair play by the umpire i guess. I could hardly notice it until i looked closer
Even if he didn't touch the net the racket went over the side of the other player's court too righttt?
@@cedricang1278 you are allowed to follow through over the net as long as your contact point with the shuttle is on your side of the court. The fault was because Axelson's right shoulder brisked the underside of the net before the shuttle hit the floor (still in play), very well-spotted by the umpire.
Thank you I was about to make this exact comment. This is a fault indeed
Viktor one is super and true sportsman for giving point back...
Victor is a grt sportsman n humble being
The Chinese One against Japanese..... that one is clear favoring and I know China, they won't let this slip.... I wonder what they have done to that Umpire (Shi Yu Qi is not heard since his Unsportsmanship behaviour against Momota)
Well. They obviously collaborated. So why do you think anything will happen to that umpire. If anything, she will be rewarded
The incident with Japanese women's double pair is too bad. It was China open and Chinese Umpire was there, so he didn't not allow Japanese pair to challenge.
He probably also bet against the Japan pair as well
ye this one clearly matchfixing. payment received, thanks gg ez. proceeding to discriminate japan pair as planned
It's absolutely WILD that this happened. Whyever a Chinese umpire was allowed in that match I'll never know, but it's something that should never ever happen and shows the utter ineptitude of bwf officiating staff - additionally, this is a clear case of where the tournament referee SHOULD have overruled the umpire and allowed the challenge to happen. If they dont intervene in these kinds of situations, they're utterly useless and can be removed entirely.
Axelsen shows why he is a champion.
At the same time the BWF must be really very stupid to have a referee from China refereeing a match involving China.
It also speaks not only about the poor refereeing but the lack of integrity of China officials.
They can learn a thing or two about honesty and sportmanship from Axelsen
Lin dan challenges that because it was an easy match for him, so he rather win it professionally - Fair and Square . He dont mind to even use his challenge for his opponent.
Oh you're a mind reader now aren't you
@Matt he insisted to challenge even when the umpire told him it will be against his favour ...
#2 isn't an umpire fault, but a player "fault".
@Paul Dodd haha he is confident he can win , so he wants to win without controversy points haha
very simple reason: The majority of them have never played badminton before.
Would like for u to say that to their faces, most of them are accomplished national and Bwf players of their countries, best of the best if u will
@@sanjaykrishna2953 can I have a link for reference? anw, pls watch the moment at 23:58 in this match to see why I said they are all terrible ua-cam.com/video/Np_Z3sBa93c/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BWFTV
@@sanjaykrishna2953 give examples of accomplished players who became an umpire in BWF. Since they're so accomplished, we should be able to find their name in tournament records. Name one.
@@jctai84 I think ur comparing them to the likes of world No 32 and below, they are acomplished, national champions even, ,my old coach was nr 5 once upon a time, and he was a line umpire for the Assam open in india
@@sanjaykrishna2953 please don’t misdirect the discussion here. We’re all talking about umpires, not line judges. I don’t care if they’re world no 1 or world no 999, any name that you could point out that we can verify your claims, I’m happy. But the fact still remains you got nothing but talk.
vittinghus definitely knew it was a fault . should've atleast attempted to tell the umpire
So is a karma for him nowadays he’s a loser .
As you can see his personality ain't that good too lol
i hate to say this but i think only axelsen have a bone of sportsmanship among all danish badminton players playing in high level, thier MD is one of the worst when it comes to courtesy on court.
@@cedricang1278 lee also got karma from ginting, i was so pleased to watch that 😂 karma bitch
vittinghus remind him about hongkong open final . its karma 🤣
The thing victor did was beyond sportsmanship
Fix would seem to be to have all the players that have issues with the umpiring immediately send a complaint off to the governing body after the match. And then have those complaints reviewed every 3 months or so in a transparent manner that the public can look in where the umpires have to defend their calls. Some might be bad calls, some just might be errors due to being tired and what not, but there will be some that just cannot be defended. Have a X strikes and you are out rule where they get disbarred from judging competitions if they are found to have done a poor job. And if a certain nation/group consistently seem to be giving biased calls have measures in place to limit the number of umpires that nation/group can nominate for international competitions. The most important factor being the public should be able to review the 'judging' of the umpire calls just as easily they can watch the match the call took place in.
Probably not worth the effort. Badminton umpires are assessed at various stages by assessors. For semi finals and finals the referee will also usually choose umpires, looking at their performance. Split second decisions at the net are often very difficult - remember that you actually see only about 2 degrees at any one instant, not the 180 degree illusion. Any umpire who consistently favoured one country or player would soon get reported, and not selected.
Probably not worth the effort. Badminton umpires are assessed at various stages by assessors. For semi finals and finals the referee will also usually choose umpires, looking at their performance. Split second decisions at the net are often very difficult - remember that you actually see only about 2 degrees at any one instant, not the 180 degree illusion. Any umpire who consistently favoured one country or player would soon get reported, and not selected.
Referees are people and people make mistakes. It is sad that the BFF has created a culture where they are not allowed to admit that. I think it would make the badminton sport more beautiful and exiting when there was some kind of far to watch points back.
Nah. Some of the mistakes are obviously on purpose
No. 6 was a valid call from the umpire. Axelsen touched the net before the rally ended.
Lmao i love the last one, how Axelsen embarass the umpire. Good sportsmanship
A good sportsman Anderson would have serve the shuttle out to give Chou a point back. BWF should allow the referee called out to review the footage and have the authority to over-rule any mistake, just like the NFL. Vittingus is another story. This guy is a cheat no shame !
Well Chou tc doesn't have that great of a personality either so
@@pragalbhp4328 you're referring to his middle finger "incident"?
Vitting is no fair sportsman unlike Axelsen
That middle finger incident is obviously not done with a bad intention. CTC is good friends with LZJ
Unfortunately it is a sport that the winner would be determined by who reach the 21 score first .. if it is a sport like football that we can score an infinite number of goal them i think antonsen would easily let ctc score 1 back
I am still wondering, after something controversial was happened, did the BWF do the follow up / evaluation, like when Chou Tien Chen didnt touch the net, any follow up by the majesty of BWF?
nope. just like this time, they only said "Nothing we can do. " to him after finding out that was a false call.
4:03 #4 Is actually a great call, Axelsen touched the bottom of the net ever so slightly with his shirt.
Shi YQ vs Viktor A,
Clearly, Shi's racquet passed the net FIRST when he hit that shuttle while still in mid air above the net.
Then Viktor's block also went passed the net too.
But, when watched at slo-mo...
Shi YQ conducted a fault FIRST, Viktor SECOND.
Save the best for last! I really enjoy the sportmanship that V.A showed in his game. This made him a true and deserving Badminton top 1.
4:34 axelsen actually did touch the net, his elbow touches the bottom of the net while the shuttle is in play, which is a fault. But a lot of the others are extremely frustrating.
The best part was when Lin Dan chalange for his oponant right..
He won while he lost a point.. 👌
That atitude made him a Badminton Legend💟👍😇
What Viktor did in the last clip should be more commonplace. I'm not a big fan of Leverdez but his opponent clearly knew the shuttle was out, he should have served into the net out of respect.
That line judge probably never got a job doing it again. Unbelievable call.
The wild thing about the Leverdez call is that 3 people should have called the shuttle out - both line judges and the umpire. It was clearly out, so clear that any umpire worth their salt should have seen it. It was also the easiest kind of shot to call, not moving fast across the line. It's right up there with some of the most ridiculous calls in the history of the sport imop. Similar to the one in the 2008 Korea Open where Lin Dan got absolutely enraged (and rightfully so, minus the whole racket throwing and wanting to fight part).
THEY SHOULD NEVER MAKE THE HOST COUNTRY OR THE A PLAYER WITH THE SAME COUNTRY AN UMPIRE.
THEY SHOULD NEVER HIRE JUDGE WITH GLASSES
THEY SHOULD OPEN CHALLENGE SYSTEM
Vittingus reminding about Hong-Kong open final to Lee was epic 😄 (Lee won Hong-Kong open last point sam3 like that)
ginting for win but he lies
the problem is that umpire will NEVER admit their mistakes, thats the problem in badminton
So much respect for viktorrr💗💗💗💗always the besttt
It's high time there should be some amendments in the rules in such instances and the power to strip down these kind of umpires who thinks they have the absolute power.
No doubt, Badminton needs VAR, especially for any critical faults. Shuttlecock is very fast, and this VAR is not replacing Hawkeye, no, but to assist any controversial decision.
These umpires should have an eye test before qualifying to be on stage.
#4 is literally impossible to judge with the human eye. The racket moves too fast for us to pinpoint the moment of contact, and I wonder how many fps would be needed to capture this
For me, the most suck from umpire is of the match between Lee Chong Wei and Bao Chunlai long time ago, before 2010 in china and the umpire was chinese too. Bao mashed down clearly in the side line 1000% which was called in in double, but he played single and the umpire call in and counted for Bao. I wonder if he knew the rule and difference of single and double court
Oh yeah I still remember that. They wronged him on sooooo many points. Dude was devastated
Little pink patriotism overruled good sportsmanship
Viktor is a true sportsman ❤️ thats why we love him❤️❤️❤️
i was really mad watching the hongkong open final ginting vs lee live. it should be point for ginting, beautiful play at critical point yet it doesn't matter in the eye of wrong judgement by the umpire.
the big problem here is BWF hire umpires with no badminton experience nor play badminton before. It's like hiring a worker with NO prior experience on the subject and applying bwf rule book with their inept eyesight and slow mental processing power. Even if they found out to be wrong, saving face is job #1.
maybe in the 6th one it was for axelsen crossing the net (with his legs) before the shuttle landing?
Umpire @ no.3 does the same mistake again at BWF World Championships 2021 in the semifinals between He Jiting/Tan Qiang and Kim Astrup/Anders Skaarup Rasmussen. Some people never learn. I have seen better umpires at club tournaments.
Really? When was it, was it in the first, second or third set? I would like to watch it again, thank you!
@@eunicelim7062 Second set. Score 1-1. He Jiting serving to Anders Skaarup Rasmussen.
Yeah, sure, because umpires at club tournaments never make a mistake in their life :) Or maybe because there is not a HD footage and instant replays available so you will never even know if the call was right or wrong.
Sindhu is never known to delay service. Yet the umpire penalized her without even having shown a yellow card.
4:25, now this is going to stir things up a bit. Axelsen does touch the net, but not with his racket it was his right shoulder at the bottom of the net.
“Hong kong open final “ 😂
They seems "karen" kind of umpires
It's even more ridiculous when the other player knows they did wrong yet they don't want to admit like that vittingus and Lee match ,I think vitti knows well what he did
The thing is that 10000 matches are ruled correctly by the umpire but then they make something controversial and everyone is saying that umpire is shit
We shouldn’t forget the the most (really the MOST matches) are ruled correctly
We need more players like Victor who can maintain their honesty and are more human than just being a player.
Because today you might get lucky winning a point but the next time you can be the victim of the same.
Well yes, but on the other hand he could have just intervened with the umpire’s decision directly. Because at the end Chou gained a point (rightfully) but Viktor also and not rightfully
Badminton should have VR Challenges like in Football where camera replay will display on large screen like CTC vs Anderson game.
The one where axelsen touched the net is not wrong, the umpire is right actually
as a player myself i feel this
umpire usually refuse to accept their mistake, a great way of preventing this is by having two umpire, one umpire will be exactly watching the net to watch for fault and capturing the footage all the time to see if they are having fault or not while the other will be watching at the ball to see out or in
BWF should include net sensors to see if there's any pressure made to the net and if there's anything higher then a certain ammount, its a fault
The BWF should allow the coach a "one-time" chance to challenge a call by the line judge or umpire like in NFL (National Football League).
5:43 imagine the rage xD
You forgot one thing when zhang nan and zhao yunlei match vs keyvin sanjaya. It clearly showed double touches.
Clip 1.. great sportmanship
I know umpires can make mistakes or not see all faults, but when its obvious and dont make the right call should be banned from being an umpire. Or umpires should be corrected by referees who are able to watch instant replays
I think Vittinghus is a bit rude to Lee Chuek Yiu.
Seems like he wants to take revenge for Ginting.
However, Vittinghus did have a fault. He should not punish others as he made a mistake?
Karma 😁
The funny thing is Lee Cheuk Yu got advantage to win the tournament because the umpire called fault for Ginting for touching the net when Ginting did not touch the net, and then he lost a point since the umpire did not call fault for Vittinghus, dispite Vittinghus actually touch the net.
And then Vittinghus reminded him that
Karma🤣
В 6 эпизоде Аксельсен нарушил правила, он залез на сторону соперника под сеткой. В правилах написано, что так нельзя
5:38 we got a karen referee there.. what a good game with karenies around
Question: I just started playing (it's GAS, btw!) Is it not illegal to cross the plane of the net UNDERNEATH? I would have thought that was a fault, too, but I saw a couple of those not called.
The thumbnail is accurate!
Please ask all the BWF umpires to watch this video, they should be ashamed of themselves!! Damnn
LOVE VICTOR🙏🔥
i hate it when umpires and linemans are unprofessional one time i faced a problem where the ball was clearly out even the other teams coach said it was out but the umpire still said it was in
Poor Chou haha.
It's hard not to like Axelson with that sportsmanship
All those players who apologized after they committed a fault and the referee made the wrong call should do what Axelson did. Forfeit the next point and make it right. Saying sorry and blaming it on the referee makes the apology insincere.
#3 His racquet went over the net
BWF may consider 2 umpire approach like basketball or a virtual automated referee (VAR) like football..?
7:04 Ginting was over on the other side of the net with his racket.
Good sportmenship from anderson..all the player have to take him as example when the umpire playing dirty...
Afterall, umpire/referee and judges are only human which possible to make any mistake.. i think BWF need to consider if player dissatisfied with the umpire/referee (because repetition of silly mistakes) they can make suggestion to change the person.. because if this happen in urgent moment such as critical point, sometimes it becomes not fair.. so the player also should have the chance to challenge the umpire/referee..
Hopefully these kind of problems won't be happen again in the future.
the last one was big respect
Number 2, Lin Dan was like.. oh i was raising my hand? okay then..
Lmao
damn first one made me love Axelsen even more
regarding the match Axelsen vs Shi yuqi
Axelsen is definitely fault
1. His racket over the net
2. His shoulder touched the net 4:13
That what made victor the greatest of all time❤️
Respect for vector ❤️❤️👏👏🙏
I see so many comments about an VAR system like in soccer an big part of sports are emotions, ofcourse its sometimes frustrating but overall its equal you get 50% right and wrong calls in your career. If they include VAR the emotions are gone completly and they wouldnt even need umpires anymore. I agree thought that most of the umpires in this video where pretty unprofessional and should not be allowed to work in future tournaments i mean why refuse to wipe the floor or refuse an challange dafuq.
There is a reason why LD is called the god of badminton.!
Net plays are the hardest to observe due to it being really fast.
Referees are people, and a lot of people are stupid, so this is bound to happen now and then...
Poor Chou T C =)))) 50% is his situation.
Number 9 is really wtf =)))