"It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, or 6, or 7, to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to discover that Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, when you were rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians were you. It comes as a great shock to discover that the country which is your birthplace and to which you owe your life and your identity, has not, in its whole system of reality, evovled any place for you." Brilliantly said.
Except for the fact that's propaganda, the "chosen ones" enslaved Africans, owned every slave ship and African Americans have THEIR Surnames and NOT White European Surnames (who were also enslaved.) Your version of history is propaganda and racist, towards the people who were BLAMED and NOT the ones who committed the crimes. Nothing in here is "hate speech" and it goes against UA-cam guidelines, to try and censor or remove this comment.
James Baldwin gave one of the greatest speeches I have EVER heard, I hung on his every word. It almost seemed like William F. Buckley was set up because this wasn't even close. That generation produced some of the most brilliant black speakers in U.S. history.
Here's the difference. Buckley will be remembered, if at all, as a commentator, just a cut above Rush Limbaugh. Baldwin will be remembered as one of the most important writers of the 20th century. Buckley will be remembered for trying to sound smart. Baldwin's work will be remembered for being great. This "debate" proves that, as does the one with Chomsky. Baldwin speaks with heart because he is called to do so for humanity. Buckley merely attempts to say something smart for his own image.
Astounding. His eloquence, charisma, and overall brilliance illumine the environ like sustained lightening. Such a beautiful genius. Thanks for posting!
He was in the middle of changing his views on race at the time, and by the late 60s he was the first Republican politician to support policies such as affirmative action in his bid for New York mayor.
ChildElectronics . I think Buckley was the most outspoken critic of affirmative action I have ever encountered. The Baldwin camp importuned Buckley to participate and he accepted even though his agent told him not to . It amuses me the comments deriding Buckley’s performance. a) because it was a fucking debate and he had to stick to the motion he was given! And b) because both of these men were not just a little bit more literate than people of today, but way more literate and far beyond the scope of your criticisms.
I've heard of Baldwin in passing many times in my life but never had a chance 2 listen to him with undivided attention. In just 10 minutes he sums up an enormous amount of history on racism & discrimination -especially on the nature of reality. He truly has the perception of even the most astute psychologist & a heart worthy of humanity. It's interesting 2 see Buckley at the 5.51 mark..either he's tired or unwilling 2 grant Baldwin his due...but I'll have to watch the whole video to see if true.
Thank you so much for posting the address of the full debate. I was unaware that it occurred until I read Baldwin's autobiography. Thanks again, great stuff.
Its a great thing we dont live in those times today. Today EVERY man is able to make something of them selves as long as they work hard. No matter what color u r. Black ppl today do not face the same problems they faced back then.
Mousey publishing's. Do you watch the news? Black men fear, daily, about getting shot by the police. Even in our own homes where no crime is being committed. We have the cops called on us while we go about our daily lives, at the library, sitting in our cars, at a coffee shop, going into our own apartment buildings. The private prison industry thrives on the lives of unfairly convicted or sentenced Black men. Institutionalized racism runs through every sector of American business and also the military. Yes, there's been growth since Baldwin's time, but that growth can be measured accurately only in inches, not feet or yards.
@@mouseypublishings I beg to differ, oppression still exists, inequality still exists, the people of colour still face the same problem now which were faced then. Racism is still the order of the day. People have been made the slaves of economy. A black man is still not liberated. I mean not just in America but the world at large.
I'm not all that sure he was presenting a rebuttal to James Baldwin's speech. I think WFB knew he couldn't follow that. Who could? All WFB did in that situation was to echo what he knew white men back then thought and what they said without completely sounding as if that was his own way of thinking. Not a lot has changed.
Can we all stop using the word offensive. Why can't you just say you don't like it and why, or anything in that vein. Being offended is a personal experience. And why should anyone care if you are offended. I DON"T! But, that being said. I do agree with about the inability to get what they promised here. And I don't like it!
It was, in fact, (in spite of the oddly self-important comment below) absolutely offensive that this articulate and sensitive speech was categorized as comedy.
this is not about comparing tragedies, or diminishing the suffering of others through comparison. The focus should be how they occur and what allows this large-scale violence to go on unchallenged (and in fact perpetuated) by the state
I am a white immigrant from Europe. Living in America for 60+ years has intensified my sense of the awesome responsibility oh humanity to understand who we really are!
I must say that I always enjoy reading or listening to William F. Buckley, but in this clip, the most articulate man in the room is James Baldwin, and I'd have sided with him in this discussion.
Think about it him being a gay man okay that can be hidden very well him being a black man like it or not is extremely worse!!!!🇺🇸 SMFH so I really would like to know your point
@davidcaspian Chomsky didn't rate Buckley at all. Just watch the related video on the right, where he talks on Buckley's passing: "He was considered, not by me, to be witty, articulate and knowledgeable." He may as well have said, he was boorish, inarticulate, and ignorant.
@zadig1 yes he left the U.S, but i refer u to an earlier point i made: "He also went back to the U.S to join the civil rights movement, so your implication that he chose flight over fight is also misleading"
A book well worth reading "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War" by Douglas Blackmon Those arrested for "vagrancy" and sent to work in mines were predominately black though some were of varying ethnicity. James Baldwin knows well of what he speaks. thank you for posting.
A reasoned, informed, respectful debate. If only everyone tried to raise the level of our public discourse met this level, we might learn to live as Americans, not red and blue states.
@ Communism: I loved your point. I am black and my parents raised not to be prejudice and to forgive people who are ignorant. We are a big part of the American History which will never be forgotten.We are created equal as far as who we what to be in life regardless of what our families and four fathers endured through slavery. But with identifying the problem, we should be able to move on in life. Be strong and strive for success. We are truly a strong race after what we have been through.
@fctchk You've said what needs to be said about Buckley very well. Buckley wil be seen by history to have been on the wrong side of pretty much every important issue of his times.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix Did you happen to read my review of James Baldwin on this thread? What I wrote was far from being PC. My reply to you also wasn't PC. It was indisputable fact. I was just wondering why you posted a comment about IQ here. How is it relevant to any discussion of the video? In my opinion it comes across as petulent and unnecesary.
@paleocon23 That's the title of the debate. Not misleading in the least. That's like saying if it were the title of a movie, it would be misleading for not including the entire film.
Tough one. It would really depend on the topic. For this debate, I would say Baldwin, because he is a greater authority on race than Buckley because WFB could not have understood the concept of race in America, simply because he is not black. I am white, but only a black person can understand what it means to be black. This is the advantage that Baldwin brings to the debate, personal subjective experience.
See the link. He says the remainder can be found by clicking on the link. Buckley accuses him of feigning a British accent exclusively for this occasion. I am going to have to disagree with Buckley. Baldwin drops his 'r's in interviews as well. I wonder if Buckley could have been wrong in saying that; that's a bold accusation.
-what a fascinating narrative; his prose on the modern man is elating, a shame to waste his beautiful words on such a despicable untold story. Look who he is speaking to... that room is out-of-this-world, or at least one very far apart from our own.
I was only refuting your point about Chomsky's regard for Buckley, since I'd seen the video contradicting it. Just watched the whole debate. Buckley is very intelligent, erudite - and a complete prick. His slouching disinterest when others had the floor, plus his peacock-like posturing when speaking, screamed of arrogance. When he said, ...you share with me the feeling of compassion and the feeling of outrage that this kind of thing should have happened," the insincerity was palpable.
@BOZ11 Very melodramatic, "you're no patriot!" you said. I think I struck a nerve when I asked what it would take for you renounce your citizenship. I noticed that you used the phrase "your country" when you asked whether I would goose step around with a bunch of facists, and in doing so you accidentally answered my questoin. You already have, metaphorically of course. It's interesting that to you a good example of a "real" patriot is an expatriot.
@godzgag Do you believe that Baldwin lost the broader point of the debate, that the government can't solve all the problems of african americans( If you saw the full debate, I believe that Buckley called people who believed these people charlatans)
I can't decide whether I should start by respond to your racism (ascribing behaviours/qualities to all members of a race simply because of their membership of said race - "you people (whites collectively)") or your straw man argument that I cherry-pick citations of academic sources, though I did not cite or refer to any source at all. I did refer to the "bell curve", not "The Bell Curve" wherein a set of data is distributed about the mean in that characteristic bell shape :)
james baldwin was an intelligent sensitive soul and a man who spoke from his heart. Buckley was a small-minded neo-liberal conservative like all too many others we see out here these days who are content to believe economic models and uni-dimensional, created-in-a-vacuum free market principles trump societal realities and on many levels, humanity.
well, we all fail in comparison to someone who is as moral and forthright as yourself. The intelligence, honor, dignity, and valor that it must take to spout racial invective, anonymously. You are a shining beacon of humanity, and truly the best of the best. Online racists are the moral center of this great nation. It is a well proven fact that a priori bigotry is linked to the best of human qualities.
What an incredible delivery from both. I think Buckley made some non-obvious points (for which he unfortunately got laughed at, but that's typical for brilliant ideas) and even suggested solutions, whereas Baldwin was mainly trying to raise awareness and touch the audience.
@zadig1 "He never really suffered" - so living in a homophobic, deeply racist and segregated country as a homosexual black man is to "never really suffer"? Moving to _slightly_ more tolerant countries doesn't undo whatever prejudices he most certainly would have encountered living in the U.S. He also went back to the U.S to join the civil rights movement, so your implication that he chose flight over fight is also misleading.
Buckley is a mass of put on affectations. Just look at him. All that eye poping and pretentious "I'm finding it hard to saty awake" crap. If you listen to his part of the debate the simple criticism is that he did not even have the decency to address the debate subject. His inherited superiority was front and centre and his humanity nowhere to be seen.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix "You are by denying that inherited genes plays any role whatsoever " i didn't specify that at all. dna determines your physical and intellectual ceiling, but very few people ever get anywhere near it. environmental factors are more pertinent with IQ scores "I only delete posts to correct typos. All my comments are still up in full." you don't have the courage to admit u said the flynn effect was about normalisation of IQ scores, after deleting it. i'm disengaging from this.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix "Despite the flynn effect, the differences between various ethnic groups and IQ have remained almost exactly the same over several decades" The IQ score discrepancies don't have anything to do with the Flynn effect. Do you even know that the Flynn effect is? If you would read and understand I needn't repeat that the IQ discrepancies are a reflection of the continuing socio-economic discrepancies and the cultural biases inherent within psychometric testing.
"It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, or 6, or 7, to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to discover that Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, when you were rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians were you. It comes as a great shock to discover that the country which is your birthplace and to which you owe your life and your identity, has not, in its whole system of reality, evovled any place for you." Brilliantly said.
Except for the fact that's propaganda, the "chosen ones" enslaved Africans, owned every slave ship and African Americans have THEIR Surnames and NOT White European Surnames (who were also enslaved.) Your version of history is propaganda and racist, towards the people who were BLAMED and NOT the ones who committed the crimes. Nothing in here is "hate speech" and it goes against UA-cam guidelines, to try and censor or remove this comment.
what have we done to these wonderful people?
@@jamiehorn2078can you elaborate?
Why is Mr. Buckley is so arrogant against black people?
DEMOCRATS have never been Americans. The NAZIS adnired DEMOCRAT Jim Crow. Their Nuremburg laws were lifted from KKK DEMOCRAT law .
James Baldwin gave one of the greatest speeches I have EVER heard, I hung on his every word. It almost seemed like William F. Buckley was set up because this wasn't even close. That generation produced some of the most brilliant black speakers in U.S. history.
Absolutely NOTHING but admiration and respect for this intelligent King.
We love you James.
james baldwin literally brings me to tears. love him so much.
Here's the difference. Buckley will be remembered, if at all, as a commentator, just a cut above Rush Limbaugh. Baldwin will be remembered as one of the most important writers of the 20th century. Buckley will be remembered for trying to sound smart. Baldwin's work will be remembered for being great. This "debate" proves that, as does the one with Chomsky. Baldwin speaks with heart because he is called to do so for humanity. Buckley merely attempts to say something smart for his own image.
Completely agree with you commenter from 14 years ago
I read 'Notes of a Native Son' when I was about 16. Baldwin was a great man. He spoke truth to power.
This is what DeSantis fears
One of the most poignant and eloquent speeches I’ve ever heard.
Me too
It's a debate not a speech but yes I agree
Literally the greatest debate performance I’ve ever seen.
Yes, from James Baldwin, I agree. WFB will do down as one of the worst people of all time IMO.
nikita for sure, wasn’t referring to WFB he’s a clown
Astounding. His eloquence, charisma, and overall brilliance illumine the environ like sustained lightening. Such a beautiful genius.
Thanks for posting!
William F. Buckley may have been sharp but he's in over his head when James Baldwin shows up.
Buckley was intelligent but Baldwin held the moral high ground in this debate and what he said certainly reflected that.
Buckley was never sharp
@@kungfufreak360 it seems that much about Buckley was confected
He was in the middle of changing his views on race at the time, and by the late 60s he was the first Republican politician to support policies such as affirmative action in his bid for New York mayor.
ChildElectronics . I think Buckley was the most outspoken critic of affirmative action I have ever encountered. The Baldwin camp importuned Buckley to participate and he accepted even though his agent told him not to . It amuses me the comments deriding Buckley’s performance. a) because it was a fucking debate and he had to stick to the motion he was given! And b) because both of these men were not just a little bit more literate than people of today, but way more literate and far beyond the scope of your criticisms.
You can't defeat truths, Powerful edification.
Yeah but I guarantee here in the 🇺🇸 American experiment/experience they will damn sure try to defeat the TRUTH that is🎯!!! !🇺🇸👌🏿
Brilliance is a beautiful thing.
I've heard of Baldwin in passing many times in my life but never had a chance 2 listen to him with undivided attention. In just 10 minutes he sums up an enormous amount of history on racism & discrimination -especially on the nature of reality. He truly has the perception of even the most astute psychologist & a heart worthy of humanity. It's interesting 2 see Buckley at the 5.51 mark..either he's tired or unwilling 2 grant Baldwin his due...but I'll have to watch the whole video to see if true.
The great thinkers/writers are always subversive: they challenge the ideology of the status quo.
Mr. J. Baldwin was such a thinker.
Oh man this Baldwin.... just breathtaking. What an orator.
Thank you so much for posting the address of the full debate. I was unaware that it occurred until I read Baldwin's autobiography. Thanks again, great stuff.
I love James Baldwin, one of if not my favorite human being ever
You can see the cognitive dissonance at work in W. Buckley's facial expressions towards hearing Baldwin's words of truth/reality, NOT conjecture......
great call, yo!! So true
Its a great thing we dont live in those times today. Today EVERY man is able to make something of them selves as long as they work hard. No matter what color u r. Black ppl today do not face the same problems they faced back then.
Mousey publishing's. Do you watch the news? Black men fear, daily, about getting shot by the police. Even in our own homes where no crime is being committed. We have the cops called on us while we go about our daily lives, at the library, sitting in our cars, at a coffee shop, going into our own apartment buildings. The private prison industry thrives on the lives of unfairly convicted or sentenced Black men. Institutionalized racism runs through every sector of American business and also the military. Yes, there's been growth since Baldwin's time, but that growth can be measured accurately only in inches, not feet or yards.
@@mouseypublishings I beg to differ, oppression still exists, inequality still exists, the people of colour still face the same problem now which were faced then. Racism is still the order of the day. People have been made the slaves of economy. A black man is still not liberated. I mean not just in America but the world at large.
I'm not all that sure he was presenting a rebuttal to James Baldwin's speech. I think WFB knew he couldn't follow that. Who could? All WFB did in that situation was to echo what he knew white men back then thought and what they said without completely sounding as if that was his own way of thinking. Not a lot has changed.
JAMES BALDWIN, MY SUPERHERO!!!!!!!
Integrity in its purest form!
Why when you follow the link for the full program it is not found? I find it highly offensive that this speech/debate is catogerized as "Comedy".
@@cbcoreybrown Thank you. James Baldwin gave one of the best speeches I've ever heard.
Can we all stop using the word offensive. Why can't you just say you don't like it and why, or anything in that vein. Being offended is a personal experience. And why should anyone care if you are offended. I DON"T! But, that being said. I do agree with about the inability to get what they promised here. And I don't like it!
WOW!!!!
@Marcos 989 What in the hell are you talking about, I never addressed you. Now liking a speech is a problem? What's wrong with you?
It was, in fact, (in spite of the oddly self-important comment below) absolutely offensive that this articulate and sensitive speech was categorized as comedy.
this is not about comparing tragedies, or diminishing the suffering of others through comparison. The focus should be how they occur and what allows this large-scale violence to go on unchallenged (and in fact perpetuated) by the state
How come I am just hearing about this man?
Powerful.
baldwin is pure genius!!!!!!
I still get chills to my bones with two simple, but nuanced words...
"cheap labor".
I wish more people would see and listen to this full debate between James Baldwin and the racist, Right Wing, conservative William F Buckley.
I am a white immigrant from Europe. Living in America for 60+ years has intensified my sense of the awesome responsibility oh humanity to understand who we really are!
I must say that I always enjoy reading or listening to William F. Buckley, but in this clip, the most articulate man in the room is James Baldwin, and I'd have sided with him in this discussion.
He was also a gay man, he was catching hell from all angles.
Yep.That's courage.
Think about it him being a gay man okay that can be hidden very well him being a black man like it or not is extremely worse!!!!🇺🇸 SMFH so I really would like to know your point
i love James Baldwin
@davidcaspian
Chomsky didn't rate Buckley at all. Just watch the related video on the right, where he talks on Buckley's passing: "He was considered, not by me, to be witty, articulate and knowledgeable." He may as well have said, he was boorish, inarticulate, and ignorant.
@zadig1 yes he left the U.S, but i refer u to an earlier point i made: "He also went back to the U.S to join the civil rights movement, so your implication that he chose flight over fight is also misleading"
why is this speech categorized as comedy??
Because of an idiot's mind in America made it that way .but you an I know the truth....
back in the day when there USED to be intelligent dialogue & commentary
If you don't understand what he is saying thin you are the problem its just that simple
Smart Brother just simply keeping it real
Every time I come across this all I can say is wow
🔥💯🔥 still holds Truth in 2020 🔥💯🔥
Full version link is dead.
This is not “comedy” but the truth. WTF, UA-cam?
A book well worth reading "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War" by Douglas Blackmon
Those arrested for "vagrancy" and sent to work in mines were predominately black though some were of varying ethnicity. James Baldwin knows well of what he speaks. thank you for posting.
Superb and still awesomely relevant
I know you wrote your comment sometime ago, but no matter how long ago it was written, it still remains-a great comment.
A reasoned, informed, respectful debate. If only everyone tried to raise the level of our public discourse met this level, we might learn to live as Americans, not red and blue states.
infinitely intelligent. I wish our youth would watch this instead if world star hip hop!
@ Communism: I loved your point. I am black and my parents raised not to be prejudice and to forgive people who are ignorant. We are a big part of the American History which will never be forgotten.We are created equal as far as who we what to be in life regardless of what our families and four fathers endured through slavery. But with identifying the problem, we should be able to move on in life. Be strong and strive for success. We are truly a strong race after what we have been through.
Berkley link no longer valid.
So, we have to go somewhere else to get half the story?
@fctchk You've said what needs to be said about Buckley very well. Buckley wil be seen by history to have been on the wrong side of pretty much every important issue of his times.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix Did you happen to read my review of James Baldwin on this thread? What I wrote was far from being PC. My reply to you also wasn't PC. It was indisputable fact. I was just wondering why you posted a comment about IQ here. How is it relevant to any discussion of the video? In my opinion it comes across as petulent and unnecesary.
Relevant in 2024 ❤
Please post the rest of this presentation. I beg you! IF you have access to it.....
Baldwin is Brilliant!!!
Wow. Thank you so much for this video.
@paleocon23 That's the title of the debate. Not misleading in the least. That's like saying if it were the title of a movie, it would be misleading for not including the entire film.
Baldwin sounds like he lives in England. He woke 100 too
Sam Devine he sounds English lol
He woke 100 too? Is that supposed to be a sentence?
@@nickklein4774 😆😆😆😭
Tough one. It would really depend on the topic. For this debate, I would say Baldwin, because he is a greater authority on race than Buckley because WFB could not have understood the concept of race in America, simply because he is not black. I am white, but only a black person can understand what it means to be black. This is the advantage that Baldwin brings to the debate, personal subjective experience.
Nothing like some good old white denial! Lol
How could you possibly label the category of this video "Comedy"? It seems like a rather serious affair.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix ..and also, ultimately, what are you insinuating?
is there any more to the vid?
@TaskForceSixTwoSix I would say the mayans were a pretty advanced civilization. and is Egypt not in Africa?
beautiful but where's the rest?
Where are the Teleprompters?
No
Where is Buckley's part?! Fairly sure I've seen it up here....
Thanks for this!
See the link. He says the remainder can be found by clicking on the link.
Buckley accuses him of feigning a British accent exclusively for this occasion. I am going to have to disagree with Buckley. Baldwin drops his 'r's in interviews as well. I wonder if Buckley could have been wrong in saying that; that's a bold accusation.
All black people drops their r's, except sometimes when we're talking to white people who believe that r-dropping is a sign of ignorance.
It's ironic that they both speak the artificial, affected Mid-Atlantic accent.
Deep!!!!
This is damn and annoying . why do u posted it , if u don't want people to see and hear the whole debate..?
The updated link to the full debate is www.lib.berkeley.edu/video/catalog/i9LpXpmPEeOaQoD510pG4A/ikPjkqes6BG14qVCj7jwpg/1535669635
-what a fascinating narrative; his prose on the modern man is elating, a shame to waste his beautiful words on such a despicable untold story. Look who he is speaking to... that room is out-of-this-world, or at least one very far apart from our own.
Sounds more like James Baldwin vs James Baldwin to me...LoL...Totally misleading title.
I was only refuting your point about Chomsky's regard for Buckley, since I'd seen the video contradicting it.
Just watched the whole debate. Buckley is very intelligent, erudite - and a complete prick. His slouching disinterest when others had the floor, plus his peacock-like posturing when speaking, screamed of arrogance.
When he said, ...you share with me the feeling of compassion and the feeling of outrage that this kind of thing should have happened," the insincerity was palpable.
@zadig1 "I noticed that you used the phrase "your country""
i'm not american, im british and my point still stands.
Excellent
Baldwin was the smarter of the two.
Now realizing that the Indians were you ! Wake up my people
The logic & thinking of William F Buckley is both predjudiced & deluded,,,,, where do these people receive their education?
@BOZ11 Very melodramatic, "you're no patriot!" you said. I think I struck a nerve when I asked what it would take for you renounce your citizenship. I noticed that you used the phrase "your country" when you asked whether I would goose step around with a bunch of facists, and in doing so you accidentally answered my questoin. You already have, metaphorically of course. It's interesting that to you a good example of a "real" patriot is an expatriot.
I thought this was Michael Winslow from the Police Academy series for a second.
@godzgag Do you believe that Baldwin lost the broader point of the debate, that the government can't solve all the problems of african americans( If you saw the full debate, I believe that Buckley called people who believed these people charlatans)
That didn't age well for Buckley, actually debating against civil rights.
Here is the full debate with a new link: ua-cam.com/video/oFeoS41xe7w/v-deo.html
@TemplarLeonem They were systematically prevented from assimilation by their so called masters of the day.
I can't decide whether I should start by respond to your racism (ascribing behaviours/qualities to all members of a race simply because of their membership of said race - "you people (whites collectively)") or your straw man argument that I cherry-pick citations of academic sources, though I did not cite or refer to any source at all. I did refer to the "bell curve", not "The Bell Curve" wherein a set of data is distributed about the mean in that characteristic bell shape :)
james baldwin was an intelligent sensitive soul and a man who spoke from his heart. Buckley was a small-minded neo-liberal conservative like all too many others we see out here these days who are content to believe economic models and uni-dimensional, created-in-a-vacuum free market principles trump societal realities and on many levels, humanity.
well, we all fail in comparison to someone who is as moral and forthright as yourself. The intelligence, honor, dignity, and valor that it must take to spout racial invective, anonymously. You are a shining beacon of humanity, and truly the best of the best. Online racists are the moral center of this great nation. It is a well proven fact that a priori bigotry is linked to the best of human qualities.
lets get this debate on WBAI radio. occupy radio.
INCOMPLETE.
What an incredible delivery from both. I think Buckley made some non-obvious points (for which he unfortunately got laughed at, but that's typical for brilliant ideas) and even suggested solutions, whereas Baldwin was mainly trying to raise awareness and touch the audience.
Yeahhh that's enough. Who wants to listen to him going on and on? Frankly ten minutes was too long.
🤦
Happy Birthday Jimmy B.!!!! I heart you so.....
@zadig1 "He never really suffered" - so living in a homophobic, deeply racist and segregated country as a homosexual black man is to "never really suffer"? Moving to _slightly_ more tolerant countries doesn't undo whatever prejudices he most certainly would have encountered living in the U.S. He also went back to the U.S to join the civil rights movement, so your implication that he chose flight over fight is also misleading.
Buckley is a mass of put on affectations. Just look at him. All that eye poping and pretentious "I'm finding it hard to saty awake" crap. If you listen to his part of the debate the simple criticism is that he did not even have the decency to address the debate subject. His inherited superiority was front and centre and his humanity nowhere to be seen.
Fraser Williamson, Buckley has no "humanity".
why have I never heard of james baldwin before??? he is an amazing speaker. if only barack obama was more like him
from 7:45 is the greatest thing ever
@TaskForceSixTwoSix "You are by denying that inherited genes plays any role whatsoever "
i didn't specify that at all. dna determines your physical and intellectual ceiling, but very few people ever get anywhere near it. environmental factors are more pertinent with IQ scores
"I only delete posts to correct typos. All my comments are still up in full."
you don't have the courage to admit u said the flynn effect was about normalisation of IQ scores, after deleting it. i'm disengaging from this.
Now THAT is RHETORIC.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix "Despite the flynn effect, the differences between various ethnic groups and IQ have remained almost exactly the same over several decades"
The IQ score discrepancies don't have anything to do with the Flynn effect. Do you even know that the Flynn effect is? If you would read and understand I needn't repeat that the IQ discrepancies are a reflection of the continuing socio-economic discrepancies and the cultural biases inherent within psychometric testing.
Brilliant man