LOL, I did mine with a squeezer. I like that c squeeze. Mine is a 66 PA-32-260 with 4600TT, was real clean inside. Many years in hangars from previous owners. I found my kit on Ebay for $175.00, they were NOS from the 80's.
Good job sir, I worked the inspection door, both wings about 8 years ago. inspection check of spar bolts and corrosion check. I believe a Piper service bulletin or ?? My aircraft, A&PIA. I think before wing fall off.
I am a little surprised that the FAA took so long in making these inspection panels an AD. As far as my memory serves me the U.K. CAA made such inspection panels a U.K. only AD back in the late 1970’s. This could of course reflect the much more corrosive environment of the UK’s maritime climate. My PA28-180 had these panels and panels in the baggage bay floor that enabled much better access for structural inspection. Living in a maritime environment I had ran a corrosion prevention program using CorrosionX ( having seen the very impressive US Army report on the product ) . CorrosionX virtually stopped the aircraft corroding with just a few minor external issues over the fifteen years I owned the aircraft ( & two C152’s ). As these aircraft get older corrosion prevention will become more critical and I can only recommend that owners put in place anti corrosion measures appropriate to the area they operate in as what is appropriate for the U.K.,Florida and Washington will be overkill in Arizona.
Where did you find the jig for that? My kit only has the doubler rivnut plate and the access panel. That jig would be super helpful cutting and de-burring the hole like you did. Nice video!
Awesome video HangaRatz, I'm about to make my cut out. BTW I am a licensed AME in Canada. The SB is not really clear on exact location. Could you share the measurement aft of the skin joint or spar rivet line to the aft edge of cutout and also the measurement from the fillet plate to the inboard part of the cutout. I have a kit very similar to yours including the template. Thank You for this video, this definitely helps.
Since Piper doesn't really give you any specific dimensions I drew lines corner to corner in the bay accommodating for the structure inside the wing. That gave me a geometric center for the oval. I then taped the doubler on the outside in a centered position and then checked to make sure I was clear of all internal structure (at least 3/4" or so from any rivets). Take your time and double check. Thanks for watching!
@@HangaRatz Thank You very much. Makes perfect sense. I mapped mine out while awaiting your response and took into account of the distance to adjacent ribs and spar. I will double check and start the process. Thank You again, fantastic video.
Actually the exact dimentions are in the instructions that come with the Piper kit. I got someone from the Piper facebook page to send me a copy. If you e-mail me, I'll send a copy to anyone who wants one.
It appears that the inspection plate was recess mounted in this kit while the Piper Kit is a surface mount kit. Is this correct. Did this kit come with the fixture for locating the cut-out for the recess plate. The kits are not currently available. Can I legally make my own parts, install and note this in the log book entry.
The OEM Piper part as called out by the SB is also flush/recess mount. Unlike most of the other access surface mount plates on most wings. The fixture was supplied with the aforementioned aluminum pieces. The owner/operator of an aircraft has the ability to manufacture parts for their aircraft per 14CFR 21.9. Any logbook entries need to reflect this. There are no "kits" per se, rather a collection of aluminum pieces that an owner/operator can utilize to manufacture parts for their aircraft. It is up to the owner/operator to determine suitability for your particular installation. Hearsay is the FAA FSDO office in Florida has apparently threatened the folks that were selling the aluminum piece packages. Maybe the FSDO does not understand the 21.9 regulations as they are written. The FAA had apparently told the ebay seller that Piper has 1000's of kits on hand. I don't really understand why the FSDO is managing Piper's inventory these days? Regardless, the eBay gentleman has stopped selling aluminum piece packages for the near term.
Just cause he didn’t show you that in the video doesn’t mean he didn’t do a thorough cleaning and inspection later. Try not to be the expert nitpicker, nobody likes that guy!
@@johnhugo886 it's my air force sheetmetal training, called attention to detail. FoD will take an airplane down. I won't be that guy, that causes a plane to crash due to negligence.
I'm considering buying a 1976 PA-28 with the Hershey bar wing that needs this done. Any idea of an approximate cost an A&P would charge for this or number of hours involved ? Also, any idea of failure rates they are seeing out there ? Ratio of pass vs fail ?Thank you. Just subscribed !
A decent A&P should be able to install the plates and inspect in about 6 hours for sure. Failure rates will be reflected by the remainder of the airframe. If the rest of the airframe is clean then this area will most likely be similar. Have a thorough prebuy inspection performed and ensure that this AD is accomplished prior to purchase. Thanks!
@@HangaRatz Thanks for the information. Also, can the inspection be done via borescope ? Or is it mandatory for the inspection panels to be put in ? Thanks again !
A1. Alodine and prime not absolutely necessary as many of the pipers were not primed on original assembly. However, we alodine and epoxy prime everything we assemble. Dealers choice on that one. A2. Rivets can be installed without wet primer as the factory does.
hey great job well done, cheers fro showing us ,best wishes NZ
Thanks!
LOL, I did mine with a squeezer. I like that c squeeze. Mine is a 66 PA-32-260 with 4600TT, was real clean inside. Many years in hangars from previous owners. I found my kit on Ebay for $175.00, they were NOS from the 80's.
You're lucky! Go buy a lottery ticket!
Intriguing to watch.
Thanks!
Good job sir, I worked the inspection door, both wings about 8 years ago. inspection check of spar bolts and corrosion check. I believe a Piper service bulletin or ?? My aircraft, A&PIA. I think before wing fall off.
I am a little surprised that the FAA took so long in making these inspection panels an AD. As far as my memory serves me the U.K. CAA made such inspection panels a U.K. only AD back in the late 1970’s. This could of course reflect the much more corrosive environment of the UK’s maritime climate. My PA28-180 had these panels and panels in the baggage bay floor that enabled much better access for structural inspection. Living in a maritime environment I had ran a corrosion prevention program using CorrosionX ( having seen the very impressive US Army report on the product ) . CorrosionX virtually stopped the aircraft corroding with just a few minor external issues over the fifteen years I owned the aircraft ( & two C152’s ). As these aircraft get older corrosion prevention will become more critical and I can only recommend that owners put in place anti corrosion measures appropriate to the area they operate in as what is appropriate for the U.K.,Florida and Washington will be overkill in Arizona.
Nice work!
Thanks!
Wow, that was awesome. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Well done.
Thanks much!
Where did you find the jig for that? My kit only has the doubler rivnut plate and the access panel. That jig would be super helpful cutting and de-burring the hole like you did. Nice video!
I bought that from a third party..
Awesome video HangaRatz, I'm about to make my cut out. BTW I am a licensed AME in Canada. The SB is not really clear on exact location. Could you share the measurement aft of the skin joint or spar rivet line to the aft edge of cutout and also the measurement from the fillet plate to the inboard part of the cutout. I have a kit very similar to yours including the template. Thank You for this video, this definitely helps.
Since Piper doesn't really give you any specific dimensions I drew lines corner to corner in the bay accommodating for the structure inside the wing. That gave me a geometric center for the oval. I then taped the doubler on the outside in a centered position and then checked to make sure I was clear of all internal structure (at least 3/4" or so from any rivets). Take your time and double check. Thanks for watching!
@@HangaRatz Thank You very much. Makes perfect sense. I mapped mine out while awaiting your response and took into account of the distance to adjacent ribs and spar. I will double check and start the process. Thank You again, fantastic video.
Actually the exact dimentions are in the instructions that come with the Piper kit. I got someone from the Piper facebook page to send me a copy. If you e-mail me, I'll send a copy to anyone who wants one.
Feel like ive just been to the dentist
Made my teeth hurt just editing it...
Nice job....
Thanks for watching!
It appears that the inspection plate was recess mounted in this kit while the Piper Kit is a surface mount kit. Is this correct. Did this kit come with the fixture for locating the cut-out for the recess plate. The kits are not currently available. Can I legally make my own parts, install and note this in the log book entry.
The OEM Piper part as called out by the SB is also flush/recess mount. Unlike most of the other access surface mount plates on most wings.
The fixture was supplied with the aforementioned aluminum pieces.
The owner/operator of an aircraft has the ability to manufacture parts for their aircraft per 14CFR 21.9. Any logbook entries need to reflect this.
There are no "kits" per se, rather a collection of aluminum pieces that an owner/operator can utilize to manufacture parts for their aircraft. It is up to the owner/operator to determine suitability for your particular installation.
Hearsay is the FAA FSDO office in Florida has apparently threatened the folks that were selling the aluminum piece packages. Maybe the FSDO does not understand the 21.9 regulations as they are written. The FAA had apparently told the ebay seller that Piper has 1000's of kits on hand. I don't really understand why the FSDO is managing Piper's inventory these days? Regardless, the eBay gentleman has stopped selling aluminum piece packages for the near term.
@@HangaRatz thanks for the reply. Very helpful. Enjoy your informative videos.
@@HangaRatzthe old I’m from the FAA and I am here to help……😂
i sure hope you removed all FOD from inside that opening before did all that work.
Sure did. That part was left on the cutting room floor...😀
@@HangaRatz ahh ok. do you also seal the doubler so there is no water intrustion?
Just cause he didn’t show you that in the video doesn’t mean he didn’t do a thorough cleaning and inspection later. Try not to be the expert nitpicker, nobody likes that guy!
@@johnhugo886 it's my air force sheetmetal training, called attention to detail. FoD will take an airplane down. I won't be that guy, that causes a plane to crash due to negligence.
I'm considering buying a 1976 PA-28 with the Hershey bar wing that needs this done. Any idea of an approximate cost an A&P would charge for this or number of hours involved ? Also, any idea of failure rates they are seeing out there ? Ratio of pass vs fail ?Thank you. Just subscribed !
A decent A&P should be able to install the plates and inspect in about 6 hours for sure. Failure rates will be reflected by the remainder of the airframe. If the rest of the airframe is clean then this area will most likely be similar. Have a thorough prebuy inspection performed and ensure that this AD is accomplished prior to purchase. Thanks!
@@HangaRatz Thanks for the information. Also, can the inspection be done via borescope ? Or is it mandatory for the inspection panels to be put in ? Thanks again !
I figured you would of vacuumed out all the fod after using the burr tool so it wouldn’t stay in the wing.
We did. Through the magic of video editing. And some staging. Thanks for keeping an eye out for us!
I would love to buy or rent that Template from you. I cant find one anywhere. Thanks
I may have an extra. Let me check...
Send me an email on this topic...
Was there an alodine and prime step? Do you install the rivets wet with primer?
A1. Alodine and prime not absolutely necessary as many of the pipers were not primed on original assembly. However, we alodine and epoxy prime everything we assemble. Dealers choice on that one.
A2. Rivets can be installed without wet primer as the factory does.
@@HangaRatz I looked up A2 rivets. These are stainless steel rivets?
Do you have a link to the parts used to make the owner produced kit?
I sure don't. The gentleman posts them for sale on eBay when he builds a batch. Keep an eye out!
Thanks for the replay
How many hours to do both wings?
I think I knocked out these two in less than two hours. But I'm a sheet metal guy soooo.... Seriously not hard to do. Thanks for watching!